Horsemen in the imperial arsenal of Vienna

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... for a horse appeared to them with a terrible horseman.
Second Book of Maccabees 3: 25


Military museums of Europe. Last time we looked at dummy riders in armor and horseback ridingexhibited in various museums. And probably story each such "exhibit" (if you delve into it, of course!) will be very interesting. The only trouble is that there is no time to dig, and sometimes there is simply no information on the exhibit. Not all armor is even weighed and measured, and the thickness of the metal is not defined. But there are pleasant exceptions. For example, Vienna imperial armory chamber (or Arsenal), with the collections of which we have already met in some way. However, they are so vast that you can talk about them for a long time. In addition, the Arsenal compares favorably with other museums in that there are a lot of horse figures in it. It is unlikely to be an exaggeration to consider that there are more of them here than in all the others combined, including the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York! But, in addition to the horses in the arsenal itself, there are also horses with riders in the Ambras castle, its branch.



Horsemen in the imperial arsenal of Vienna

Armored riders from Ambras Castle, a branch of the Vienna Imperial Arsenal


It is clear that mainly horseman armor of the 16th-17th centuries has survived to our days, because then they began to be truly protected, that is, cataloged and properly stored. Nevertheless, even so late, in our opinion, the armor is insanely interesting, both from the point of view of history and its artistic features.


Set for the horseman and his horse Alexander Farnese (Vienna imperial arsenal)



The same headset shot in the Arsenal hall


Perhaps we will start here with this armor, which is interesting primarily because it is made in the antique style, the fashion of which spread in Europe under the influence of the ideas of the Renaissance. This is a complex knight's set for a rider and his horse, and very curious in that it can be used both as a ceremonial and a tournament for an equestrian fight (there is a guard for the left shoulder), and also for a foot tournament. The shield (it is visible behind the saddle) was used for representative trips and parades. The oval medallion of the shield shows the transfer of keys from the city of Babylon to Alexander the Great. This scene is surrounded by four medallions depicting Artemis of Ephesus.


The same headset, right view. Pay attention to the exceptionally lush decor of his lat


The owner of the armor was the Duke Alessandro (Alexander) Farnese, the Duke of Parma and Piacenza (1545 — 1592), and this is confirmed by the image of Artemis of Ephesus, whose famous Roman copy was an adornment of the antique collection of the Duke of Farnese. After the death of don Juan of Austria in 1578, it was Alessandro Farnese, the son of the illegitimate daughter of Emperor Charles V, who became governor and supreme commander of the Spanish forces in the Netherlands. In the same year, Archduke Ferdinand tried to buy armor and a portrait from him for his famous “arsenal of heroes,” and, apparently, this deal was successfully completed. The set was made in 1575 by the Milanese master Lucio Picchinino. Moreover, for its manufacture, forging, burnishing, polishing, gilding, silvering, inlaid with gold and silver were used, and their lining was made of leather, silk and velvet.


Set of Emperor Ferdinand I (1503 - 1564) by Colman Helmschmid (1471 - 1532 in Augsburg). Made in the style of the Augsburg master Daniel Hopfer


This armor was intended "for the field and for the tournament" and was richly decorated. It was made in the year 1526. He had a blue burnished gilding, as well as engraved mythical creatures, volutes and flowers. The side bumps of the horse’s breastplate adorn the faces of the lions. The set is interesting in that the front bow of the saddle is even grooved. The breastplate consists of two parts, which is not typical for this time. Moreover, the upper part is corrugated, and the lower one is smooth. The Grandard with a high flap on the left is removable, as well as the pointed nosed buff - the forerunner. Noteworthy is the armrest of intersecting metal strips. This design does not play any special protective role, but it looks impressive as a tribute to tradition. The set was in the Ambras castle, where it was exhibited in the "hall of armor of heroes", where it took the place of the armor of King Ruprecht I (1352 — 1410). Today is exhibited in the Vienna Arsenal in the hall №3. Materials: corrugated metal, brass, gold casting, leather.


"Roman armor" of Archduke Ferdinand II of Tyrol, son of Ferdinand I (1529 - 1595). The work of the master Giovanni Paolo Negroly (1530 — 1561, Milan). Made around 1545-1550.


Original chain armor for the rider and his horse, made of two types of rings: iron and yellow in color - from brass. These rings are woven into a pattern and form the heraldic symbols of the Archduke of Austria. The shoulders and bourguignot's open helmet are decorated in the shape of muzzles of fantastic animals, just like the chancedron's hammered horse forehead. Kneecaps are made in the form of lion heads. And it’s funny that the chanfron’s fantastic head eats a leaf, but this is not a leaf of an ordinary plant. The head devours a sheet of acanthus, symbolizing antiquity, which only emphasizes the ancient character of this supposedly "Roman armor" - a typical technique of masters of the Mannerism era of the XVI - the first third of the XVII century.


"Milan Armor" of Archduke Ferdinand II of Tyrol, son of Ferdinand I (1529 — 1595)


Antique armor played an important role in the court life of the 16th century, as can be seen from the large quantity of this equipment at the disposal of Archduke Ferdinand II of Tyrol. The fact is that armor, like clothes, was influenced by fashion. And fashion in the second half of the XVI century has changed a lot. In the design of armor, scenes from mythology have become fashionable. Since the accounts for these armor have been preserved, we not only know well about their price in 2400, but also know which masters worked on this work of art. On their own, if we ignore their high artistic merit, this “armor” is nothing but the armor of a high-ranking cavalry officer who had a mace as a military commander sign (pinned to the saddle), a sword and a “panther technician” to the left under the saddle ( sword-finisher), which served to pierce enemy armor. And it was also used as a spear against infantrymen to confidently get those who fell to the ground. A bourguignot-style helmet is adorned with a serrated-winged dragon figure. Under the cuirass, chain mail with long sleeves and plate gloves is worn. The large round shield is divided into three zones by two concentric circles. In the center is a point on a rosette of leaves. In the middle zone are four oval medallions, inside of which are Judith and Holofernes, David and Goliath, Samson and Delilah, Heracles and Kakusa. Along the outer edge there are “trophies” and medallions with the image of Mark Curtius, sleeping Hercules, Manlius Torquatus and the Gaul, as well as Cleopatra’s suicide scene. The headset was made around the year 1559. Master: Giovanni Battista, nicknamed "Panzeri". The artist who drew all the figures decorating the armor is Marco Antonio Fava. Materials: hammered blue-burned iron, polished, gilded and silver plated. Leather trim, light blue and black silk, red woolen fabric.

With the spread of firearms, there was a demand for light cavalry, with a minimum of armor. Why? Yes, simply because the same cavalry of pistol guns or Reitars cost the treasury very expensive, but it was very difficult for them to kill each other. Often had to shoot pistols literally point blank, seeing the whites of the enemy’s eyes! “Both the colonels and the strelets’ heads need to know very well the measure of how to order to burn, and what is scorched in twenty fathoms, and that the worst timid shooting is, at least, decent in ten fathoms, and a direct measure in five and three fathoms, and shoot it is necessary at all, but not by air (by air), ”wrote the Russian Tsar Alexei Mikhailovich, nicknamed the Quietest in 1660, which was then a universal phenomenon. Since in those years the length of the fathom was 2,16 m, the three fathoms were 6,5 m. All this could be done with success, however, and the light cavalry, it only maneuvered on the battlefield much faster than the heavy reytarskaya, was more maneuverable, and It was much cheaper. Of the traditional armaments, the Hungarian light cavalry, for example, left itself with only short chain mail, oriental (Turkish-style) burginoth helmets, Hungarian tarch-type shields, and rather long light spears equally suitable for throwing and pricking. A characteristic feature of the horse harness of the Turkish and Hungarian riders was the neck-mounted horse pendant Cheleng. In the Vienna arsenal there is one such pendant made of gilded silver, decorated with boar fangs, with a brush of six yaks. But ... women’s hair was also used for this jewelry, especially cut off from the heads of European blonde women!


In Hall No. 6, the armor of such a light rider is also on display, also belonging to Archduke Ferdinand II, son of Ferdinand I (1529 — 1595), made in the workshop of Carremolo Modron (1498 — 1543, Mantova)


It is believed that this is nothing more than a model of equipment of the Hungarian hussar, made by order of the emperor for the 1557 carnival of the year in Prague. On it, Archduke Ferdinand II organized a tournament in which one party was dressed in the costumes of Christian knights and Hungarians, and the other in Moors and Turks. The fact that Christian soldiers used jewelry of Turkish origin (the same Cheleng, for example) is not surprising, since it was a time when carrying the weapons of such an enemy as the Turks, including horse jewelry, was not only fashionable, but also testified to considerable courage and the military skill of their owner, since they could be obtained only as a trophy.

With such "armor" a specific shield was used, called the "Hungarian". One such shield, called "Constance," was made for the wedding of Archduke Ferdinand II with Anna Katerina Gonzaga in 1582. He is currently in the arsenal's storage room. It is known that it was made in Innsbruck. Wooden shield with metal shackles, jewelry made of silver threads, gold leaf, parrot feathers. The drawing is done in watercolor. Inside are leather belts.


Shield "Constance"


Naturally, in the 16th century, purely knightly armor more and more acquired the functions of representative "clothing", that is, they were used on the battlefield, but mainly commanders, and therefore they were also richly decorated. Then - the functions of court clothes, a demonstration of their power through a demonstration of expensive and "modern" armor, and, finally, armor for participation in tournaments. That's why it was during this era that headsets became so popular. It turned out that even an expensive headset as a whole was cheaper than, say, five separate sets of armor.


Armor "Rose Petals". The most interesting thing is that it is a headset and ... not a headset at the same time. Headset, because all four of these armors consist of interchangeable parts with the same design. And not headsets, because these are four different armor, but with the same design


It happened so that in 1571, Archduke Charles II of Inner Austria was supposed to marry the Bavarian princess Mary. This marriage, which represented a kind of union of the two Catholic powers in southern Germany against the Protestant German princes, was very important for the Austrian court. No costs were considered excessive. The main thing was to pay tribute to this event, since it meant the rallying of the forces of the counter-reformation. Therefore, one should not be surprised that a whole series of ceremonial armor was created for the emperor and the princes, especially for this event. Festivals and tournaments were supposed to take place for several days. First they were to be held in Vienna, and then in Graz. Maximilian II for the planned tournaments, in general, already had a headset made by the master Wolfgang Grosshedel (1517 — 1562, Landshut). This headset consisted of twelve different parts that could be easily transformed according to the "modular principle" into combat, tournament and ceremonial armor. However, by the time of the marriage, this headset was already out of date. And then the emperor ordered the son of Wolfgang Franz to turn this armor set ... into four different armor! On the left in the photo is combat armor for spear fighting, the next tournament armor with a guard for the left side of the chest and reinforced armor for the arm. The next armor is the three-quarter spearman's armor. Finally, the very last armor on the right is a tournament with a bell skirt for foot combat.

The set of armor was called the “Rose Petal” because Franz Grosschedel used the image of a rose to decorate it. The workshop was very famous, the Grosshedell dynasty worked mainly for the demanding court of Madrid, the Spanish king Philip II, as well as for the Austrian court of the Habsburgs, as well as for the Wittelsbach court in Bavaria and the Elector of Saxony.

The armor is in the hall number 7. Belonged to Archduke Ferdinand II, son of Ferdinand I (1529 — 1595) Materials: polished iron, engraved ribbons with gilding and blackening on it, brass. Lining: leather, velvet


Interestingly, the dummies of horses in the Vienna Arsenal are made in different and often very lively poses ...


Armor in three quarters appeared at the beginning of the XVI century as a response to the spread of firearms among riders. Legs below the knees were now protected by hard leather boots. On the cuirass, the spear hook was most often absent. And even if a cuirass from old armor was used, it was simply removed, leaving holes from the screws. This armor appeared around 1520 of the year as a lighter type of rider's armor, and in which a bourguignot helmet was put on top of the closed helmet. Very often they were put on by infantry commanders who gave their commands while riding a horse, but at the same time, this light equipment allowed them to lead their soldiers on foot, if necessary. Konrad von Bemelberg was one of the most famous Landsknecht commanders of Emperor Charles V. The design of the armor cuirass is interesting. It depicts the Landsknecht on the right, kneeling in prayer, and it is possible that it is Bemelberg himself, and on the left is the crucified Christ, to whom the kneeling man addresses with prayer.


Armor of Konrad von Bemelberg (1494 — 1567). Made about 1535 — 1540.


Since in such armor it was necessary to fight not only on horseback, but also on foot, they are equipped with a metal codpiece - a piece of armor that is very interesting to individual visitors to our site. Its history is this: in the 15th century, chain mail leggings had a special front in front, called latz, while armor did not have a codpiece, since the rider was sitting in a metal-bound saddle, and everything that protruded between his legs, the saddle was good and protected! The edges of the gaiters formed a notch for greater comfort in the saddle. At the beginning of the 16th century, a “bag” of chain mail was still inside the cutout, and a fully developed metal codpiece appeared around the year 1520. At this time, he had the appearance of an iron cap connected to a cuirass with rivets or ribbons. The armor is located in Hall No. 3. Master-manufacturer: Wolfgang Grosschedel (1517 — 1562, Landshut). Etching was carried out by Ambrosius Gemlich (1527 — 1542, Munich and Landshut). Helmet by Valentin Siebenbürger (1531 — 1564). Material: polished iron with partial etching, gilding and blackening of the recesses.

To be continued ...
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  1. +7
    13 October 2019 05: 32
    No words, only emotions!
    Beauty in one word !!!
    Thank you Vyacheslav Olegovich, good day to all!
    1. +3
      13 October 2019 06: 05
      Hello, hello! Also insomnia or just got up early? hi
      1. +5
        13 October 2019 06: 50
        It's just that Vlad has time: +2 Moscow time.
        1. +5
          13 October 2019 07: 50
          Quote: Sea Cat
          Hello, hello! Also insomnia or just got up early? hi

          I read Konstantin’s comment, there was a desire to move a clever thought about those who get up early, God gives, but! am
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          It's just that Vlad has time: +2 Moscow time.

          Anton buddy, I won’t go with you in intelligence! soldier Better when it throws me into northern Palmyra, I will persuade you to drink alcohol !!! drinks
          Friends are glad to read you, + 2msk, it really is a "secret miracle weapon" in IN! Though, negative longitude in Novosibirsk or Vladik is even cooler !!!
          P.S. The first commentary on the article was written in Europe - the city of Lower Sergi, the second in Asia - the city of Yekaterinburg!
          Shhh, this is another secret weapon of mine! I can easily start about “We are Europeans ...”, and finish “Asians we are with slanting eyes” !!! bully
          P.S. And yet, Mother Russia is immense, unique and diverse - it warms my soul !!!
          Your Vlad!
          1. +3
            13 October 2019 08: 10
            I went to Saratov on Saturday. Not far from Penza. But ... all our trees are already yellow and cold. And there - half green and warm! Here they are ... open spaces. I was at the crossroads to "my village", where I spent three years as a teacher ... Now there is a cafe and solid asphalt ... Eh ... in my time.
            1. +3
              13 October 2019 08: 22
              Vyacheslav Olegovich, in May went to Novy Urengoy. Impression like March in the Middle Urals!
              At the end of September I was in Surgut. Our trees were only covered with gold, and there is already a deep autumn!
              In a week I’m going again. Now Orsk, Orenburg, I hope to warm up! Although the Urals in terms of weather jokes ....
            2. +2
              13 October 2019 12: 28
              Vyacheslav Olegovich, and you have not stopped by in "your village", does someone else remember you there?
          2. +3
            13 October 2019 08: 14
            Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
            Quote: 3x3zsaveJust at Vlad time: +2 Moscow time. Anton is my friend, I won’t go with you in intelligence!

            Stirlitz has never been so close to failure! laughing
            Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
            I will persuade you to drink alcohol !!!

            That we will always be happy! drinks However, who in this case will carry you around Peter? request
            1. +3
              13 October 2019 08: 27
              It’s better to walk on Peter, although I could be wrong !!!
              So we will dismiss mine from PPSnikov, well, Anton, you understand what. This is not something that the respected Konstantin (Sea Cat) plans to shorten in favor of the Russian Opera and Ballet House on an adjacent branch !!!
              1. +4
                13 October 2019 08: 33
                It depends on where to move. If Kronstadt, Peterhof, Pushkin, Pavlovsk - it is better by car.
                1. +1
                  15 October 2019 09: 14
                  If in Peterhof - better Meteor, no parking problems
                  1. 0
                    15 October 2019 09: 20
                    Let's just say that I know when and where to park in Peterhof. hi
              2. 0
                13 October 2019 10: 26
                Why is it wrong to build something. Again, the cat is to blame for some kind of "shortening". Okay, okay ... the time will come ... There will be a holiday on our street.

                He is bright red, tall and thin, a gloomy cat bandit.
                His eyes fell into him, but he looked at both of them.
                The wrinkles of thoughts and worries on his forehead lay down,
                The whiskers are unkempt for a long time, and the collar is dusty.
                He curls on the move as a snake among the bushes.
                It seems to you that he fell asleep, and he is ready to jump! ..

                1. +2
                  13 October 2019 12: 32
                  Cat, you prepared for a duel, and who is the enemy?
                  1. -1
                    13 October 2019 12: 37
                    The accusation is baseless and based on nothing! hi
                    Makaviti, Makaviti, the only Makaviti!
                    You do not poison him, you do not strangle him!
                    He will present twenty alibis in a row in court,
                    As proof that he was not anywhere.

    2. +4
      13 October 2019 07: 49
      Yes, Vladislav, emotions overwhelm. And for some reason, it was in Vienna. In Paris, in the Museum of the Army, overwhelming chagrin .. It’s ... but look under the glass - you will unscrew your whole head. And so it glitters, and so glare. And here ... light twilight and brightly lit riders. The armor is shiny, which in some photos seems to be gold. The fences are minimal and it seems to reach out and stroke the horse's face. That they are painted do not even immediately notice!
  2. +3
    13 October 2019 06: 04
    Good morning and hello everyone!

    Vyacheslav Olegich - hello again! Olegitch, you are, as it were, to put it more precisely ... in short, the world is big, and the earth is round, why should you hurry home, how many museums are in Europe. And there are all kinds of America and Asia, and you write, shoot, and we will read here, enlighten and remember you with a kind word.
    In general - thanks! smile
    1. +3
      13 October 2019 07: 42
      Thank you, Konstantin for a kind word! But ... about Asia and America. Asia is too hot and dirty, and America is too far away. 13 hours on the plane the back will not stand ... So we will stop on Europe. I was far from everywhere in Spain, and England is left overboard, even in Poland, which I travel every year since 2013, I was not in the Museum of the Polish Army. And also Scandinavia. I was on Museum Island in Berlin, but I didn’t get to Pergamon. In Vienna, was not in the military history museum. I have not been to Graz ... Istanbul ... there is where to go. Now, if ... it were like this: 50 thousand VO readers would chip in ... ruble! I would immediately wave there for three days and then shoot everything in detail and describe it!
      1. +3
        13 October 2019 08: 58
        Quote: kalibr
        Now, if ... it was like this: 50 thousand readers of VO would chip in ... ruble! I would immediately wave there for three days and then shoot everything in detail and describe it!

        Only until 01.01.20/XNUMX/XNUMX. must be in time, otherwise the Federal Tax Service will be very interested in you.
  3. +3
    13 October 2019 06: 41
    The owner of the armor was the Duke of Alessandro (Alexander) Farnese, the Duke of Parma and Piacenza (1545-1592)
    Armor glorify and will glorify the owner, without them, would have long sunk into obscurity in a series of similar ....
    1. +4
      13 October 2019 07: 45
      Why would he disappear in obscurity, Dear Andrey? The owner is known not only for armor, but also as a successful commander.
      1. +1
        13 October 2019 09: 13
        Quote: Phil77
        Why would he disappear in obscurity, Dear Andrey? The owner is known not only for armor, but also as a successful commander.

        How many armor of commanders like him in art are represented in museums? 2-10? And how many such colonels? Hundreds to thousands.

        So, I think today his armor makes Alessandro much more recognizable than his victories.
        IMHO, of course. hi
        1. +2
          13 October 2019 09: 42
          PS Yes, and the armor is presented in the "Armor" room, not in the "Alessandro Farnese" room ....
          1. +2
            13 October 2019 18: 18
            Olgovich, this is one of the rarest cases when I put you +
            1. +1
              15 October 2019 09: 19
              And in this case - in vain wink . Not all history buffs visited the Vienna arsenal (I didn’t succeed, although I was in Vienna), and the rest already know that A. Farnese is one of the best European commanders of the 16th century. By the way, he beat Henry the 4th, who was the glorious king.
  4. +5
    13 October 2019 07: 26
    Good morning to all! I thank the author immediately for the beauty and wonderful story. Well, and the morning obscene thought at the sight of von Bemelberg's armor: but what if with all the foolishness and the protruding part of the sword? fellow
    1. +4
      13 October 2019 07: 54
      Well, you are my friend and "kind man" laughing
      Good morning Sergey !!!
      1. +4
        13 October 2019 08: 00
        Vlad !!! My respect! No, no. I am a kind and gentle person, besides a friend and comrade to all cats in the world (exceptions are sphinxes, but this is pure mockery of a cat’s brotherhood). Just as I already answered the respected Vyacheslav Olegovich, kind of the armor (owner) is the defiant. laughing hi
        1. +2
          13 October 2019 08: 13
          I agree on the Sphinxes! Brr - hairless cats.
          Well, if you beat, then you need a "devil"!
          (hottie - a sledgehammer on a long wooden handle, weighing a quarter pound, a little more than 4 kg).
          laughing
          1. +3
            13 October 2019 08: 17
            Oh, oh, oh !!! So which of us * is a good man *? And with a sword? wassat * we will slaughter you painfully, chik! and you are in heaven. *
            1. +2
              13 October 2019 08: 33
              But we check - the "bulge" corresponds to the declared or not !!!
    2. +2
      13 October 2019 12: 49
      And you are a sadist. How can a valiant knight shorten "valor"?
      1. +1
        13 October 2019 15: 00
        And you must be more modest! And then all to the public! good
  5. +5
    13 October 2019 07: 45
    Good morning, Sergey! So after all it will not work ... with a foolish thing! But he is alive ... he will retreat a little and himself - Ms.-a-x. In the battle of Angiar, only one knight was killed in such armor, fell from a horse and muzzle into a puddle. And suffocated!
    1. +5
      13 October 2019 07: 53
      And good morning to you, Vyacheslav Olegovich! I mean that the view is painfully provocative, as if this background has a constant erection! Although? Maybe it’s right? laughing But the helmet looks great on a baseball cap!
      1. +5
        13 October 2019 08: 20
        Quote: Phil77
        But the helmet looks great on a baseball cap!

        And he reminded me more of the German helmets (Stahlhelm) from the time of world wars.
    2. +4
      13 October 2019 08: 02
      Probably suffocated due to the fact that some part of the armor prevented him from turning over? laughing
      1. +5
        13 October 2019 08: 18
        Recovery system failure and snorkel failure laughing
        1. +2
          13 October 2019 10: 28

          Bust of Frederick I Barbarossa of gilded bronze, 1160 year.
          FRIEDRICH I BARBAROSSA
          When the detachment approached the Göksu River (modern-day Turkey), the emperor decided to go swimming on horseback, as other crusaders did. He entered the water, slipped off the saddle and instantly went down, as he was in armor. Companions did not have time to help.
          3x3zsave
          Today, 09: 18
          ,,, about snorkel good
          1. +2
            13 October 2019 10: 50
            "Bathing while intoxicated is life-threatening!"
            1. +3
              13 October 2019 12: 51
              Bravo, well said
              1. +2
                13 October 2019 12: 54
                This is not me, this is the "Water Rescue Society"
                1. +4
                  13 October 2019 14: 55
                  And you are its chairman
                  1. +2
                    13 October 2019 15: 18
                    What is it!?!? Only from "Mikasa" he kicked out, now "Dobroflot" is imposed on me! am laughing
                    1. +2
                      13 October 2019 15: 46
                      ,,, as well as a giant of thought, the father of Russian democracy and a person close to the emperor. belay
                      1. +2
                        13 October 2019 15: 53
                        "But for this, father, you can put your party card on the table!"
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  6. +3
    13 October 2019 08: 04
    Quote: Phil77
    I mean, the view is painfully provocative, as if this background has a constant erection!

    That was the point! Show - well, I'm a man! There were even more, by the way. He brought this fashion to Henry VIII - see 182 height. Well, imagine ... the sizes ... So he wanted everyone to know about this ha ha!
    1. +2
      13 October 2019 08: 40
      Again, do not forget who Bemelberg was. Life is war, show-offs are more expensive than money!
      Thanks for the article, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
    2. +2
      13 October 2019 09: 07
      In some old French film there was such a scene: a guy came into a tavern for a showdown with a pistol in an axillary holster. Well, he was quickly twisted, the gun was taken away and one elderly man tells him:
      "A man wears his dignity between his legs, not under his arm." wink
      1. +4
        13 October 2019 11: 42
        the guy came to the tavern to disassemble with a gun in the axillary
        ,,, reading your koment.Konstantin remembered this fragment belay
        1. +2
          13 October 2019 11: 53
          Well, Sergei ... Well ... I don’t even know what to say ... Decent, family people have gathered here ... And you are straight without "kyupurs" - point blank. Even women come here sometimes. I never imagined that my comment would bring this up.

          Maybe you should insert this on the pictured device?
          1. +4
            13 October 2019 11: 57
            ,,, site of a military orientation? Yes weapons available, and what will anyone think request
            and women sometimes drop in here

            ,,, means the gulfics on the knightly armor of women will not interest? lol
            1. +3
              13 October 2019 12: 32
              How would it be neutral to answer ... Women, if something interests you, it’s probably not the codpiece itself, but, perhaps, what it covers. But this is only in the sense of physiology, but otherwise ... Let it be better if one of them speaks out.
              As the (negative) hero said in one Yugoslav film: "Madam, take your hands off, I won't guess, the female soul has always been darkness for me."
              1. +6
                13 October 2019 14: 54
                Dear cat, we are different and this is our charm. For example, I am not a Puritan and the chastity belt is not for me, but I am not Messaline. Strongly do not accept unbridled sexual relations.
                1. +1
                  13 October 2019 19: 30
                  Yes, we, in general, are also different. For example, if you exclude the puberty, I was always interested in what a woman had between her ears.
            2. +5
              13 October 2019 12: 54
              We ask them what is the use of guessing
              1. +4
                13 October 2019 13: 56
                Quote: vladcub
                We ask them what is the use of guessing

                Yeah Glory, ask laughing
                In half the cases, you will get two mutually exclusive answers to one question!
                Or even easier. Conduct an experiment and ask your soulmate, for example, where are the boots? Get a specific answer "in place"! The only trouble is where is this notorious "place" !!!?
                laughing
                1. +3
                  13 October 2019 19: 10
                  "-Where are the boots?
                  -In place.
                  - Honey, in which particular place?
                  -Oh, that's it! (rustling in the pantry) Damn! When you already take your dumbbells to the garage! (Spinning rods, katana, summer tires: substitute the necessary) On, hold on! What would you do without me?
                  A secret impulse wandered in the man's subconscious: "I wish I could live!" laughing
                  1. +2
                    13 October 2019 19: 17
                    Female look on the topic:
                    - Honey, where are the socks?
                    -In the drawer in the closet?
                    -In which?
                    -Everything is in the same one where the last 13 years were like this cabinet was bought. Even a monkey would remember the exact place for 13 years)
                    1. +3
                      13 October 2019 19: 24
                      At this moment, the dog (traitor !!!) brings your socks in your teeth.
                      - You see, even he remembered!
                      1. +1
                        14 October 2019 14: 10
                        My cat is incapable of such a meanness in such a way as to substitute a friend.
                2. +2
                  14 October 2019 18: 54
                  The namesake, boots, we are not relevant. Last winter was warm: -5 + 9 near these indicators for the most part.
            3. +4
              13 October 2019 14: 45
              * Here it is like Mikhalych * —that means the thought in the morning I hadn’t been obscene at all! Where did our discussion turn ?! laughing wassat
              1. +4
                13 October 2019 14: 48
                then in the morning the thought wasn’t obscene at all!

                Calls Antires
                And such isho cut:
                How do you women go there -
                In trousers or without?
                lol
  7. +4
    13 October 2019 08: 06
    Quote: Phil77
    besides friend and companion to all cats in the world (sphinxes are an exception, but this is purely a mockery of a cat brethren)

    I completely approve! Himself so! And ... there will be a photo about it ... of a Spanish cat I met there!
    1. +3
      13 October 2019 09: 43
      And where is your promised Spanish macho?
      1. +3
        13 October 2019 09: 51
        "Oh, come out, come out, come out, Agrafena!
        Listen to the serenade about love! " laughing
      2. +3
        13 October 2019 10: 04
        Wow !!! What a handsome friend of mine! My course will be more modest, I’m from * the yard *. But this is not important, is it? A friend is a friend.
        1. +3
          13 October 2019 10: 08
          SchA Vlad brand me a traitor again.
          This is a friend, their name is Sonya.
          1. +2
            13 October 2019 10: 11
            Damn it! And again I'm mugged! So a girl, then a beauty, then a friend. By name, Sonia. winked
            1. +3
              13 October 2019 10: 19
              Not deadly. It’s just that Vlad and I have been friends for quite some time, and it’s automatic to remember some details about the life of friends.
            2. +1
              13 October 2019 12: 24
              Hmm Sergey, here I am cupids and arrange my cat’s personal life love, and you laughing
              However, post a photo of your "yard" gentleman, the Spanish macho is still only Vyacheslav Olegovich, only promised! And so he has a chance to be late! fellow
              As there is a classic "the heart of a beauty is prone to ....." feel
              Seriously, watching cats. More than once or twice, he was convinced that in a duel for the heart and paw of a lady, the winner wins! Sometimes a bewildered strongman dutifully watches his lady leave with a devoted rival!
            3. +1
              13 October 2019 21: 06

              My second protege! My mom Stesha's cat !!!
              1. +1
                13 October 2019 21: 34
                Well Vlad photo of my Filka You received, I agree, is very similar in color to Stesha. A little bit darker.
                1. +1
                  14 October 2019 04: 06
                  Normal kid! For a mile or two I feel that the piece of meat you have is protected no worse than the villains in Arkansas!
                  So Vyacheslav did not have time with his Spanish Macho !!! laughing
                  Regards, Vlad!
      3. +2
        13 October 2019 14: 47
        In Spain of course
        1. +2
          13 October 2019 19: 18
          Quote: Astra wild
          In Spain of course

          Is not a fact! Last March, on a heating main, under my windows, a red-haired outbred cat and a black thoroughbred Siberian mayor clashed together! A well-fed Siberian defeated a saffron milk cap, but the lady of the heart puffed at the winner so that he remained on the battlefield. And the defeated saffron milk proudly spanked the lady of the heart!
          So let the girl’s heart and with a tail of four legs - a mystery!
          Yours!
  8. +3
    13 October 2019 13: 40
    Daughter and granddaughter stopped by. Houses where we lived - no! There is no neighbor. But the store is opposite. And the very first woman remembered me and my wife, and Svetlana herself - "So you are the girl who rode on his shoulders? So they remember ... But the granddaughter looked at everything around and said: I'm scared here, let's go. ..
  9. +4
    13 October 2019 14: 44
    "cut off from the heads of European .blondes" but did hairdressing salons buy "women's hair at a high price" even then?
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, I am not a specialist in the Middle Ages, but in my opinion then women did not have short haircuts in fashion.
    1. +5
      13 October 2019 15: 14
      There is an interesting study.
      T.B. Ryabova "Woman in the history of the European Middle Ages"
      1. +5
        13 October 2019 16: 23
        It is difficult to find a period of history more "littered" with stereotypes, "anecdotes", lies and ignorance than the Middle Ages. The most "slandered" era.
        1. +3
          13 October 2019 16: 31
          Absolutely right! So I'm trying to figure it out. I hope the search results are converted to articles.
          1. +2
            13 October 2019 16: 35
            I read / watched a series of lectures by one historian of a specialist in the Middle Ages-Аlessandro Barbero. On the level of culture, science, the role of women, attitude to sex, thinking of a simple person, etc. I was dumbfounded by the degree of difference between reality and the majority of ideas about that period that were established in the minds.
            1. +3
              13 October 2019 16: 45
              Are there any publications in Russian?
              Unfortunately, in Russia there are very few specialists in microhistory.
              1. +2
                13 October 2019 17: 01
                I haven’t found anything in Russian yet. In English there is
                1. +1
                  13 October 2019 17: 05
                  So no. Although I did not find it in English.
            2. +4
              13 October 2019 17: 43
              I went on a bus with a group of our tourists to the castle of Carcassonne. He invited the guide to talk about the knights. And the guide, Anya, got sane and ... she listened with pleasure. True, the sword in 1 kg did not impress the audience, and 5,15 kg - everyone knew that. After the lecture, a woman came up and said that she went on tours every year and heard from the guides that the knights did everything for themselves and, as such, rode horses. Yours, the lecture says, turned my impression of the Middle Ages upside down. And the question is: where do these guides get this and why do they tell?
              1. +2
                13 October 2019 18: 51
                Quote: kalibr
                And the guide, Anya, got sane

                Very rare! Bravo to Anna!
                Quote: kalibr
                And the question is: where do these guides get this and why do they tell?

                From there the excursionists come from. When I started tinkering with everyday issues of the Middle Ages a couple of years ago, my hair stood on end: how strong are the stereotypes !!!
                It's a pity, Vyacheslav Olegovich, that you no longer teach, it would be possible to conduct a survey among students: "What do you associate with the Middle Ages?" The answer would be depressing.
                1. +2
                  13 October 2019 19: 11
                  Professional historians say that the Middle Ages as a historical period was invented for the convenience of writing textbooks). In reality, the difference between the 7th century and the 14th is so huge that it is absurd to classify these centuries as the same historical period.
                  1. +2
                    13 October 2019 19: 48
                    Quote: Town Hall
                    But in reality, the difference between the 7th century and the 14th is so huge

                    What are you talking about? If Paris is the mid-XNUMXth century and the end of the XNUMXth, these are two different Paris! Everything has changed!
              2. +2
                13 October 2019 19: 05
                Probably the first reason that travel agencies do not take professional historians or people with good education as guides. They are "expensive"). Guides in travel agencies are ordinary people who have learned the prepared text written by God knows who and repeat it to all groups. Well, the need to captivate tourist "wow" effects. It is not interesting to say that the right of the first night or there is a chastity belt is nothing more than fiction)
                1. +2
                  13 October 2019 19: 53
                  In general, somehow. About 60 years ago, Gianni Rodari was joking over the guides. However, sometimes there are exceptional personalities. I, in this sense (good) sometimes lucky
                  1. +1
                    13 October 2019 19: 57
                    In serious museums, professional guides are usually professional. Very often, professional historians. Although the trend has long been "audio guides". Player, headphones and language selection)
                    1. +1
                      13 October 2019 20: 37
                      What is a "professional historian"?
                      As for me, this creature is less real than the "restaurant critic" (those who at least eat "for free")
            3. +3
              13 October 2019 17: 47
              He is a professor of medieval studies at the University of Piedmont. The author of a very interesting book: "Charlemagne: Father of the Continent".
              1. +2
                13 October 2019 18: 59
                Yes. A strong historian, and in the plus, he also has the gift of telling, captivating listeners. Therefore, his video lectures are very popular and not in the academic field. He introduced a huge number of people to this topic, who otherwise would hardly have gone to the library to read "boring" tomes on the Middle Ages )
                1. +2
                  13 October 2019 19: 55
                  Quote: Town Hall
                  A strong historian and still has the gift of telling while captivating listeners

                  The popularization of science is a rare gift!
                  1. +1
                    13 October 2019 20: 06
                    Historians (and teachers too), if their science is dear and want "ordinary" people to be seriously carried away by history and knowledge, they should conduct (and post on the Internet) lectures as often as possible, etc. Search and read (even on the Internet, not speaking of the library) "the man in the street" will not. And to listen to a well and interestingly told topic is very even. This is the case when the form is no less important than the essence
          2. +2
            13 October 2019 17: 06
            Quote: 3x3zsave
            Absolutely right! So I'm trying to figure it out. I hope the search results are converted to articles.

            I hope for articles on these topics here. There will be much to discuss)
            1. +2
              13 October 2019 17: 20
              At least I found someone who is interested hi
              1. +2
                13 October 2019 17: 24
                The athenian women
                Try to find it in English, although not about the Middle Ages, but also very informative. The role of women in ancient Greece
                1. +2
                  13 October 2019 17: 27
                  Thanks, look!
    2. +1
      13 October 2019 16: 31
      There was long hair! So they were cut and allowed for jewelry ...
  10. +1
    13 October 2019 14: 58
    Beauties. I can imagine how much it all cost then and how much time it took to make such armor.
  11. +2
    13 October 2019 15: 00
    Long live the riders in sparkling armor! What's the beautiful)
    Just now, hands reached read the article beauty)
    Either distract from all sides (and cling to the comments), then urgent matters.
    The war with an inverted front even on Sunday)
  12. +1
    13 October 2019 21: 19
    Not as much as you think! There were stamps in size - dies and punches, there were finished sheets of metal. Yesterday all the armor could be stamped in a day! And then the pectoralis began. For example, decoration, engraving ... polishing, gilding ...
  13. +1
    13 October 2019 21: 24
    Quote: 3x3zsave
    The answer would be depressing.

    I just spent before leaving ... There were questions about swords ... answers 10,15,50 kg! About the armor ... 50-100 kg. not less! Well, they were recovering in armor ... and then a bucket of water was poured on them and everything was carried away ...
    1. +1
      13 October 2019 21: 37
      Paragraph (another term requested) !!!
      And this is an informational liberation generation.
      1. +1
        14 October 2019 14: 37
        3x3zsave (anton) Yesterday, 22: 37
        ,,, but you didn’t know that belay
        ,,, under a knightly helmet, lice and fleas swarmed in many dirty hair and in the folds of his clothes. As you know, there were no baths in medieval Europe, and the knights washed themselves no more than three times a year.
        ,,, during the campaign, the medieval knight was chained in armor for days, which, with all his desire, he could not remove without outside help. The process of putting on and removing the lat took about an hour. For this reason, the noble knight celebrated all his need ... right in armor.
        ,,, since no one was brushing his teeth in those days, the knight smelled so bad that for modern ladies it would be a terrible test to not only kiss him, but even to stand by his side. By the way, often the main snack of the knights was garlic, which they used for disinfection. bully
        1. +2
          14 October 2019 15: 35
          Quote: bubalik
          ,,, under a knightly helmet, lice and fleas swarmed in many dirty hair and in the folds of his clothes.

          Here! This is one of the most widespread and enduring "black" myths about the Middle Ages! In fact, the aforementioned insects "swarmed" on rats, which lived in huge numbers under knightly armor.
          Otherwise, everything is correct. It remains only to add that in spite of all the sanitary measures taken by the Holy Inquisition (such as the massive burning of rats at breeding sites, without removing the symbionts from the lat), the plague pandemic still covered medieval Europe.
  14. +1
    13 October 2019 21: 26
    Quote: 3x3zsave
    I hope the search results are converted to articles.

    We ALL hope so! You write well, I know ... Write !!!
    1. +1
      13 October 2019 21: 32
      I’m sorry. But I wanted to ask. When you write the answer to the post, do you press before you write the Reply button under the post of the interlocutor?
      1. +1
        13 October 2019 22: 25
        Here, in different ways, who uses what. On the full version and on the mobile, the functionalities vary.
    2. +1
      13 October 2019 21: 45
      Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich! I will try to. Simply, you need to read an order of magnitude more, and before that find what to read.
      Well, and also "favorite work", which, according to the well-known Murphy-Parkinson's law, "takes all the time allotted for it"
  15. +1
    13 October 2019 21: 33
    Quote: Town Hall
    Historians (and teachers too), if their science is dear and want "ordinary" people to be seriously carried away by history and knowledge, they should conduct (and post on the Internet) lectures as often as possible, etc. Search and read (even on the Internet, not speaking of the library) "the man in the street" will not. And to listen to a well and interestingly told topic is very even. This is the case when the form is no less important than the essence

    YES! You are 100% right But ... why do you think my colleagues don't write here except one lady? He offered interesting topics ... On which they are experts ... And do you know what the answer is? “We don’t want anyone to“ rinse ”us. You cannot explain to a junior scooper from a sewage wagon ... One ... can ask more questions than a hundred wise men can answer." And more ... "You don't care what they write about you in the comments ... but it ... oppresses us!"
    Such are my sensitive colleagues. And I, in general, understand them. Many people place too much emphasis on words. Alas!
    1. +1
      13 October 2019 21: 51
      I didn’t mean this site. Video lectures here are technically difficult to lay out). Yes, and not the same subject and format. And the audience. The video lectures I talked about on YouTube. And the professors, by the way, make good money on them. A lot of views, a lot of fame and money )
    2. +1
      15 October 2019 09: 13
      Well I do not know . For example, I was beaten twice for computer illiteracy (that is, that is, they taught me to write on paper). But to write comments is just what you need to know a little history.
  16. +1
    13 October 2019 21: 38
    Quote: 3x3zsave
    And this is an informational liberation generation.

    About the generation, too, there will be an article ... being prepared, pupils and students are being interviewed.
  17. +1
    14 October 2019 16: 37
    Quote: Town Hall
    . A lot of views, a lot of fame and money).

    An old dog is hard to learn new tricks.
  18. +1
    14 October 2019 16: 39
    Quote: bubalik
    ,,, but you didn’t know that
    ,,, under a knightly helmet, lice and fleas swarmed in many dirty hair and in the folds of his clothes. As you know, there were no baths in medieval Europe, and the knights washed themselves no more than three times a year.
    ,,, during the campaign, the medieval knight was chained in armor for days, which, with all his desire, he could not remove without outside help. The process of putting on and removing the lat took about an hour. For this reason, the noble knight celebrated all his need ... right in armor.
    ,,, since no one was brushing his teeth in those days, the knight smelled so bad that for modern ladies it would be a terrible test not only to kiss him, but even to stand by his side. By the way, often the main snack of the knights was garlic, which they used to disinfect

    The funny thing is that EVERYTHING IS CORRECT (except for need!) And WRONG SIMULTANEOUSLY!
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    15 October 2019 10: 49
    Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
    So Vyacheslav did not have time with his Spanish Macho !!!

    The article is on moderation and waiting for you!

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