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Putin: Russia helps China to develop a national missile defense system

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The Russian Federation is helping China to create one of the most important elements of missile defense: an early warning system for a missile attack. This was announced on the sidelines of the annual Valdai Discussion Club by Russian President Vladimir Putin.


Putin: Russia helps China to develop a national missile defense system


Moscow is collaborating with Beijing to strengthen the defenses of the People’s Republic of China. It is reported by TASS.

As part of the discussion at the XVI annual Valdai Club meeting, Putin emphasized that the missile attack warning system, which is currently available to only two countries, the United States and Russia, will soon appear in the hands of a third player, Beijing. Moreover, Moscow helps the creation of this system in the People’s Republic of China.

The Russian leader released the information since “Anyway, it will soon become clear”. He noted that Russia has long been cooperating with the PRC in a wide variety of fields - from agrarian to space. The president emphasized that these relations are not “Friendship or work against someone. We work in a positive manner, in the interests of each other ”.

According to Putin, such a mutually beneficial partnership has a good effect on the economy, and significantly increased trade between the two countries. In particular, last year it reached $ 108 billion, and the next task set a mark of $ 200 billion.

The President of the Russian Federation notes that he understands that 70% of Russian exports are energy carriers, but considers this to be natural, since Beijing needs these goods, and Russia possesses them. But this does not mean that Moscow is not involved in other areas of economic cooperation.
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  1. Fedor Sokolov
    Fedor Sokolov 4 October 2019 09: 41
    +27
    Very much in vain! With the Chinese you need to keep your ear sharp, and your nose in the wind, they have long been looking at our Siberia like a cat on sour cream.
    1. Oleg123219307
      Oleg123219307 4 October 2019 09: 54
      +12
      They will never risk as long as we have enough nuclear forces. For them, the consequences of nuclear strikes are much harder. They are not autonomous in terms of energy, food, water, if the corresponding infrastructure is destroyed, their population will die out under their own quantity ... But in Siberia in the bare forest and under the radioactive rain you will not especially expand ... They understand this very well. It is more profitable for them to buy resources, but what's there, the whole volume of our economy is three-month earnings for them ... What is the point of fighting, it’s easier for them to buy us up, which is happening slowly.
      1. Spartanez300
        Spartanez300 4 October 2019 09: 54
        +34
        The question arises of who will help the Russian people and when. So that people are provided with good housing and decent wages. Often I think about how well I lived under the USSR. The forest is in great numbers, energy goes to China for good money, but only this does not give the Russian people anything out of it.
        1. Oleg123219307
          Oleg123219307 4 October 2019 09: 59
          -26
          Cool life. With half-empty shops, 1 car for 20 people, laws on parasitism, bans on business, travel abroad, in the end on alcohol, and other nishtyaks ...
          1. Mavrikiy
            Mavrikiy 4 October 2019 10: 10
            +18
            Quote: oleg123219307
            Cool life. With half-empty shops, 1 car for 20 people, laws on parasitism, bans on business, travel abroad, in the end on alcohol, and other nishtyaks ...

            Go to school, oh it's me. The knowledge is from there and the Yeltsin Center.
            1. Oleg123219307
              Oleg123219307 4 October 2019 10: 38
              -8
              Well no. It was the end and with my own eyes to see. I am not a supporter of the gentlemen of the liberals and their codes, just to return to the Soviet mistakes is pointless as well as nostalgic for them. Such a centralized economic system is unstable, unstable ... All the same, remember how and how the union ended ... In my opinion, if you build a totalitarian state then a monarchy or empire, and not a bureaucracy as it is now or in a union ...
              1. Mavrikiy
                Mavrikiy 4 October 2019 10: 58
                +23
                Young man, what did Gorbachev see? This is not socialism and not stagnation, this is the buildup of the system and preparation for surrender. It was necessary to start, bring the people to a boil, so that he agreed to everything, with a bang. What has been done, technology.
                1 car per 20 people
                Not much, but not critical. Public transport worked like a clock. There were hospitals, the school was sometimes in 2 shifts, education, medicine for free. Police without guns, batons with a hunchback appeared. There were no homeless people at all. Murders in the millionaire 1 per month and the whole city of shu-shu-shu and no aggravating ones, were not afraid for children at all. Few cars, roads are broken safety is ensured. Now, as you know, 32 people / year die on the roads around the country, and a person is a wolf to a person (this is the worst). Now lit ... owls. And instead of a tower, a ticket to a sanatorium for treatment. Yes here ....... not enough. Books are written, but everything is not included. And you are a car ...
                1. Oleg123219307
                  Oleg123219307 4 October 2019 11: 00
                  -19
                  And this also happened https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novocherkassky_shot Anything happened. But the economic model of the union is not viable, and this is obvious simply from how it ended. You could go the Chinese way. But they didn’t go. What now cry about it then?
                  1. Mavrikiy
                    Mavrikiy 4 October 2019 11: 30
                    +12
                    Quote: oleg123219307
                    And this also happened https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novocherkassky_shot Anything happened. But the economic model of the union is not viable, and this is obvious simply from how it ended. You could go the Chinese way. But they didn’t go. What now cry about it then?

                    You are mistaken about the viability of the economic model. The enemies were of a different opinion. I draw your attention, the union did not collapse, but the collective west destroyed it.
                    In November 1991, the ex-Prime Minister of Great Britain Margaret Thatcher gave a speech in Houston, USA, in which she told how exactly, in what ways Britain and other Western countries destroyed the USSR. Also in this November speech, Margaret Thatcher spoke about the imminent, legally binding, collapse of the USSR. And indeed, a few weeks later, as if by magic of the British Prime Minister, the Bialowieza Accords were signed in December 1991.
                    The Soviet Union is a country that posed a serious threat to the Western world. I am not talking about a military threat. She was not in essence. Our countries are quite well armed, including nuclear weapons. I mean the economic threat. Thanks to a planned policy and a peculiar combination of moral and material incentives, the Soviet Union managed to achieve high economic indicators.

                    Original publication source: https://politikus.ru/articles/history/66953-margaret-tetcher-kak-my-razrushali-sssr.html
                    Politikus.ru

                    And there was a shooting and we did not hear about him at one time. The excesses and the setup of the bastards.
                    1. Oleg123219307
                      Oleg123219307 4 October 2019 11: 41
                      -15
                      And this is a good system, since it could be destroyed from the inside in a fairly simple way?
                      1. Mavrikiy
                        Mavrikiy 4 October 2019 11: 48
                        +7
                        Quote: oleg123219307
                        And this is a good system, since it could be destroyed from the inside in a fairly simple way?

                        See my post. The Union destroyed the collective West for fear of its economic power. For this, we selected a group of 20000-30000 people of the highest echelon of power, security forces of the KGB Armed Forces, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, economists, and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. And do you think this is a simple way? They've been looking for keys for 70 years. feel The top rotted and they sold us.
                      2. Oleg123219307
                        Oleg123219307 4 October 2019 11: 54
                        -14
                        But for some reason during these 70 years no one was able to destroy the west itself. And NATO did not fall apart, and the United States did not scatter to the states, only strengthened. The foundation of stability of any complex state system is the economic well-being of the population, the stability of the goals of the political elite positive for the system, and the diversification of governance and the economy. The Union safely ruined all points. Therefore, it became possible to introduce, as you say, 20-30 thousand people and shake the system to failure. And what's the point of returning to ideas that have proven to be bankrupt?
                      3. Mavrikiy
                        Mavrikiy 4 October 2019 16: 18
                        +3
                        My dear Oleg! Did you understand what you wrote? Who would destroy the West, who has such a goal. Only us, but alas for us.
                        NATO is falling apart before your eyes, the United States is also on the right track, and impeachment against Trump could result in anything. Keep a diary, in 20 years you will write a book "Death of the West in the absence of an enemy" or "How we waited, but it’s like that." 70 years is not a period for history. As you can not see, the United States is not getting stronger, but leaving the scene. If we swing the rights of the defeated, and China has gone completely morose, by the old days the States would have turned off the lights for everyone. Now the dependence on China has been revealed, and it works in Africa and Latin America, without looking back at the United States.
                        The foundation of stability of any complex state system is the economic well-being of the population, the stability of the goals of the political elite positive for the system, and the diversification of governance and the economy.
                        Error again. The Roman Empire perished with all your advantages, but there were bedbugs, an external factor and they seized it to death, there is such a book "The History of the City of Foolov", I recommend.
                        The Union safely ruined all points. Therefore, it became possible to introduce, as you say, 20-30 thousand people and shake the system to failure.

                        The UNION did not flog anything, it had other tasks, but Khrushchev carried out a task change. Which announced the desire to live with enemies peacefully and in a friendly manner and increase the welfare of citizens, that is, to produce ordinary townsfolk.
                        Read carefully, they were not introduced, but picked up, they themselves were looking for an opportunity to legalize their lard of dollars stolen from oil. (See A. Fursov)
                        And what is the point of returning to ideas that have proved their worth
                        Well, you learned that, but not what you need.
                      4. Oleg123219307
                        Oleg123219307 4 October 2019 18: 09
                        0
                        If, in the confrontation between the collective West and the socialist camp, the socialist camp collapsed as a result, this only suggests that their strategy turned out to be more effective. Life is competition. As for the Roman Empire, first of all, it is funny to compare the slave-owning quasi-state, ruled in the last stages of life by no one understands, and modern political models. Something like comparing the powers of an elephant and a triceratops. You can compare it, but what's the point? I also read Saltykov Shchedrin, although I don’t share his approach. Since according to your union nothing has flogged, how did the traitors you listed come to power? How did a country that had the second economy in the world have a standard of living on par with an average developed Africa? Where is this great country now? And in general it is interesting to hear about the dangers of philistinism in the 21st century. To complete your position, you only need to add the phrase `` Stalin is not on you '' ...
                      5. Mavrikiy
                        Mavrikiy 4 October 2019 19: 12
                        +2
                        Quote: oleg123219307
                        If, as a result of the confrontation between the collective west and the socialist camp, the social camp eventually collapsed, this only means that their strategy turned out to be more effective.

                        Reminded: - pressure, norm.
                        - pulse, normal.
                        - analyzes, norm.
                        - lungs, kidneys, liver, normal.
                        -Doctor, then we’ll wait.
                        “It doesn’t mean anything.”
                        Not the camp fell apart, but the fathers-commanders sold all with giblets.
                        Quote: oleg123219307
                        As for the Roman Empire, it’s first fun to compare the slaveholding quasi-state, managed in the last stages of life, don’t understand by anyone, and modern political models.
                        Young man, understand that all terms, concepts and models are taken from a specific country. And there are no two identical states in the world in terms of the organization and structure of power (see A. Fursov), even if they are across the road. And Marx sucked out the evolution of the development of society and his capitalism looking at England, but in Germany and France everything was not so, and even more so in Russia. We did not have slaveholding, feudal and capitalist societies.
                        how did the traitors you listed come to power? How did a country that had a second world economy have a standard of living on a par with middle-developed Africa?
                        I already said that they didn’t come, they were already there, and then there are dozens of lards of an unaccounted beaver. Structures from party members, the KGB, Vneshtorg, and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs took shape and began to seek outs in the West to realize the possibility of a beautiful life. And they did not need socialism-communism. About the standard of living there are no gaps, if you do not understand. And what do you think Already? The standard of living was higher than now. The level is the opportunity to live and we did not live in pain. The USSR occupied the third place in 1962-1964 in terms of life expectancy - 70 years, then the decline began. Free education, medicine. Communal apartment - 10 rubles. Public transport 3-6 kopecks. to any end of the city. Personal security. My militia - saves me. Books are written. A man fuck doesn't need 100 varieties of mayonnaise, just two Provence and Spring. 100 varieties of synthetic pink sausage (With the taste of real, it can be pounded all over the nose, it does not smell like meat) is not necessary, three are enough, but from meat. When you go to the store, the sausage smelled of doors. The bread structure was different; it was not in vain that humpback destroyed all village bakeries. Here is the standard of living, healthy people and children, and now .......
                      6. Oleg123219307
                        Oleg123219307 4 October 2019 19: 49
                        -2
                        The good fathers of the commanders were brought up by the homeland according to you ... What kind of education is this? Don't juggle. You say empires are unstable and you cite pre-industrial states as an example. I do not deny the continuity of political models, but it’s too far for you to get into talking about Rome. It's like looking for the imperfections of a spaceship in a cartwheel blueprint. Continuity, that is, but the meaning is not enough ... The system in which `` they no longer needed communism '' became such precisely because of the failure to comply with the condition that I spoke about - the discrepancy between the goals of the elite and the positive goals of the state. As for other arguments. Your militia protects you until your neighbor writes a denunciation about anti-Soviet propaganda if he likes your wife. Yes, I didn’t see the 60s and 70s, but I didn’t grow up in a vacuum, and my parents and grandfathers, grandmothers, drank all of this in full ... The communal service, yes, is cheaper, especially considering the square per person then and now ... Maybe I’m of course a goner , but somehow I like 100 varieties of sausage and mayonnaise more than searching for champagne for the new year by all my friends and queues for a month ... As for the structure of the bread, the smell of sausage, the greenness of the grass, the sweetness of sugar and the wetness of water, these arguments in one form or another, the entire history of mankind emerges. This is how age-related regression of memory begins. Early memories are less accurate, but emotionally brighter than those acquired at a later age. If you are now given that sausage or bread, it is not a fact that you will remain in the same position.
                      7. Nasrat
                        Nasrat 4 October 2019 12: 08
                        -2
                        Quote: Mavrikiy
                        To do this, we selected a group of 20000-30000 people ... ... They have been looking for keys for 70 years. ... The top rotted and they sold us.

                        wassat 20 - 000 people ... wassat 70 years searched ... wassat The top has rotted ..., as I understand it, the top is the very 20 - 000 people who "rotted"? And the top (30 -000 people) is the entire composition of the CPSU Central Committee including the Politburo, the Central Committee secretariat, the Central Committee apparatus with its 20 departments - and still there will not be 000 - 30000 people! That is, the rank-and-file members of the CPSU have also rotted away .. Yes, they rotted when they played a carpet from the GDR or a "wall" from Poland .... And where were the 26 million members of the CPSU and 20 candidates for these members? Did you see the top rotting? wassat And where is the number of KP members now?
                  2. Andrey Chistyakov
                    Andrey Chistyakov 4 October 2019 12: 39
                    +7
                    Quote: oleg123219307
                    And this also happened https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novocherkassky_shot Anything happened. But the economic model of the union is not viable, and this is obvious simply from how it ended. You could go the Chinese way. But they didn’t go. What now cry about it then?

                    You would have told the Wehrmacht all this in 1941-45 godu.Pri all that against the allied model all "Yavropa" tried. Traitors and ruins. And what did the liberals build here when they ruled in the 90s ?! The mountains promised. In fact, except for theft, nothing !!!!
                    So tell these tales to others.
                    1. Nasrat
                      Nasrat 4 October 2019 12: 50
                      -6
                      Quote: Andrey Chistyakov

                      You would have told the Wehrmacht everything in 1941-45.

                      Wehrmacht and Moscow looked through binoculars and starved Leningrad, bombed, fired, took Crimea and was in the Caucasus ..... I remember that during World War I (a difference of 27 years in total) this was not observed ... while they say that Tsarsky the regime was backward, and the USSR had an advanced economy ...
                      A German, he is a German ... never when he did not favor Russian.
                    2. Oleg123219307
                      Oleg123219307 4 October 2019 12: 52
                      -7
                      And what fairy tales are that? Like those that everything was blessed, sugar is sweeter, the water is wetter, the grass is greener not like now ... It was different. Good and bad. The main thing was. No more. Because the system could not protect itself and its citizens. Failed the main task for which it was created. For the sake of which there were all these victims. Once again, even though I wrote above. I am not a liberal. I consider today's system a dull carbon copy from the West, which will fall apart as soon as new people come. I am generally against crap in all its manifestations. Simplifying a little, I think that an empire needs to be built. But to return to socialism - to step on a bent rake a second time ...
                      1. Andrey Chistyakov
                        Andrey Chistyakov 4 October 2019 12: 54
                        +5
                        Quote: oleg123219307
                        And what fairy tales are that? Like those that everything was blessed, sugar is sweeter, the water is wetter, the grass is greener not like now ... It was different. Good and bad. The main thing was. No more. Because the system could not protect itself and its citizens. Failed the main task for which it was created. For the sake of which there were all these victims. Once again, even though I wrote above. I am not a liberal. I consider today's system a dull carbon copy from the West, which will fall apart as soon as new people come. I am generally against crap in all its manifestations. Simplifying a little, I think that an empire needs to be built. But to return to socialism - to step on a bent rake a second time ...

                        They wrote to you here already. Read carefully. And the Roman Empire was and the Austro-Hungarian was.
                      2. Oleg123219307
                        Oleg123219307 4 October 2019 17: 58
                        -1
                        And before that, the ancient Sumer was still there, and she was a kamet, they forgot to bring them as an argument in the dispute about the ways of development of post-industrial society.
                      3. Andrey Chistyakov
                        Andrey Chistyakov 4 October 2019 18: 02
                        +1
                        Quote: oleg123219307
                        And before that, the ancient Sumer was still there, and she was a kamet, they forgot to bring them as an argument in the dispute about the ways of development of post-industrial society.

                        Well, you see. You yourself know everything.
                      4. Alexander Ra
                        Alexander Ra 4 October 2019 14: 54
                        0
                        Quote: oleg123219307
                        I'm generally against shit democracy ... an empire needs to be built. But to return to socialism - to step on a bent rake a second time ...

                        Nihilism is enough, what do you mean by empire? Do you think you can completely close one page and forget, and create something new from scratch? Development necessarily involves the use of the old. Today's regime is a step down. Many moments inherent in the USSR must be returned - the state plan, GOSTs, the education system, general honey. prophylactic medical examination, medicine - for everyone, child and youth development (mass sports, clubs, ..), indicator 3-6 (<10!), state property in all strategic areas, currency barrier, censorship, .. The above is part of the mandatory for the empire that does not work on enslaving others (you do not realize this moment).
                      5. Oleg123219307
                        Oleg123219307 4 October 2019 17: 56
                        0
                        No jokes and hidden meanings. Do you really think that a socially oriented model of the state has a future?
                      6. Alexander Ra
                        Alexander Ra 4 October 2019 23: 17
                        0
                        “Socially oriented” - I would like to do without such alien and blurred terms in content. The "civilized world" (unipolar) seeks to replace natural traditional societies with abstract societies, nations. This is a distortion of natural laws. People, like all living things, live in populations (peoples). Because the adaptive capabilities of individuals work mainly at the population level.
                        A people is a social organism, it is wholeness. The primacy of the whole over its parts is characteristic of all living things (K. Lorenz, Nobel laureate. Prizes). State model? - The state is necessarily an organism; this organicity should normally not contradict the natural biological laws. The body works interaction, cooperation, but not the suppression of one organ by another. In normal condition, our people were before Christianity. Today, in the presence of capitalist so-called. “Predators of overwhelming power” - we have a pathology. The state - the chimera - the body of the people and the alien brain. Restoring healthy organics is imperative; it is a matter of survival.
                      7. Oleg123219307
                        Oleg123219307 4 October 2019 23: 26
                        0
                        Well, you understand what will result in practice about what you say ... I don’t argue with you, with the exception of a couple of terminological nuances, I absolutely agree with you. But even a superficial discussion of these mechanisms, as for me, pulls at 282, so it probably shouldn't be ...
                      8. Alexander Ra
                        Alexander Ra 4 October 2019 23: 48
                        0
                        In practice, it resulted in our national catastrophe. Do the actions of Chubais and Yeltsin not fall under the article on extremism? - The main systemic charge of social tension is laid by the Belovezhsky collusion and privatization. There are tens of millions of victims. It is strange that the Prosecutor General’s Office is not busy with this.
                      9. Oleg123219307
                        Oleg123219307 5 October 2019 00: 08
                        0
                        Do not fall. For them, there is another article - treason to the motherland ... But is there any sense in discussing this? As I wrote 2 times above, the train left ...
              2. Mavrikiy
                Mavrikiy 4 October 2019 11: 19
                +1
                oleg123219307 (Oleg)
                All the same, remember how and how the union ended ... In my opinion, if you build a totalitarian state then a monarchy or empire, and not a bureaucracy as it is now or in a union ...
                Dear Oleg, your example is not successful. Still, remember how and what ended the empire-monarchies of the Habsburgs, Hohenzollerns, Romanovs, Bonapartes, Bourbons ... and others like them. I am not against monarchies, but they imply sacredness, and since we have lost it, the dictatorship of the imperial type will do the same (see A. Fursov) Alas, one cannot do without oprichnina. Reminded: "Mr. revolutionary throws a bomb at the sovereign emperor. We have him in exile for 10 years, and he whips beer in Geneva a year later."
                1. Oleg123219307
                  Oleg123219307 4 October 2019 11: 43
                  -3
                  I agree, an drawn example. But I'm afraid my real view of the prospects for the development of statehood models will be too radical for public discussion ...
                  1. Mavrikiy
                    Mavrikiy 4 October 2019 16: 26
                    0
                    Quote: oleg123219307
                    I agree, an drawn example. But I'm afraid my real view of the prospects for the development of statehood models will be too radical for public discussion ...

                    This is youthful maximalism. Reminded. If a person at the age of 20 was not a revolutionary, a careerist and a bastard will grow out of him. If by the age of 40 he has not become a conservative, then he is simply DURAK or a donkey.
                    1. Oleg123219307
                      Oleg123219307 4 October 2019 17: 54
                      0
                      The question is not maximalism. I think the right is a completely different path of development. Generally not related to the modern concept of statehood. Therefore, I do not want to discuss it here. Uncooked are these ideas for social analysis. And of the existing systems, dictatorship is the most effective if it is built on the right basis. A good empire would be better than what it is now. The above bunch of historical examples of the collapse of empires for some reason does not take into account technological and cultural progress. Particularly amusing is the comparison of the development models of the slave-holding Roman empire and the modern post-industrial society ...
                      1. Mavrikiy
                        Mavrikiy 4 October 2019 18: 25
                        0
                        The above bunch of historical examples of the collapse of empires for some reason does not take into account technological and cultural progress.
                        Well, probably because the state is a social phenomenon, not a technical or cultural one. cultural progress- sho tse take. You do not fry meat at the stake, but in the microwave, progress. Perhaps this progress may affect the life expectancy of the empire, but to cancel the collapse, they will lie.
                      2. Oleg123219307
                        Oleg123219307 4 October 2019 18: 43
                        0
                        Cultural progress in my understanding is the development of social consciousness. Change over time of moral, ethical and social norms of behavior. Widespread education and a corresponding increase in the involvement of the population in all processes of the state ... Something like this. Progress is changing more than it seems. How much do you think our species and society have remained in their usual form over the past millennia?
                      3. Mavrikiy
                        Mavrikiy 4 October 2019 19: 45
                        0
                        Eternity is ahead, and we are grains of sand. Nothing threatens the grains of sand.
                        The period of widespread education in our country has already passed, with the collapse of the USSR, which you did not like so much. Moral, ethical and social norms of behavior also went down the drain. involvement of the population in all processes of the state"Funny, but not serious!" The population is concerned with survival. You can invite millionaires to the processes of the state, we, thank God, will soon have a million. feel
                      4. Oleg123219307
                        Oleg123219307 4 October 2019 19: 58
                        0
                        Yes, not that I do not like the USSR. To me it is parallel, as well as to the Russian Empire, Ancient Rome, and all other old social models. Well, I don’t judge. I like the criteria. I don’t like it. There is no more. Like dinosaurs. To argue how good it was and how bad it was - demagogy. We have to think what to do next in order to live longer, better, more interesting, and here I think that the Soviet model is not suitable. You can’t clutch at the old thoughtlessly. There are better ways. And I'm not talking about capitalism or shit democracy, and not even about empires. Read for example Eric Dexler. You may find it interesting to look at things ...
                      5. Mavrikiy
                        Mavrikiy 5 October 2019 13: 10
                        0
                        Here you see:
                        Quote: oleg123219307
                        Yes, not that I do not like the USSR. To me at the same time, as well as to the Russian Empire,
                        What to talk about with you if you walked from the homeland in parallel.
                      6. Oleg123219307
                        Oleg123219307 5 October 2019 14: 28
                        +1
                        My Motherland is the country in which I live and which I try to help as much as possible - the Russian Federation. And not the empire that perished more than a century ago due to the stupidity and closeness of the leadership. Remembering history and confusing it with real life are different things. But in what you are right - there is nothing to talk about. Apparently, if you don't shout at every corner, `` but before the grass was greener, '' you will not be considered a real person here, so, dirt ...
                      7. Gardamir
                        Gardamir 4 October 2019 21: 05
                        -2
                        Uncooked are these ideas for social analysis.
                        If not analyzed, they will rot without drying.
                      8. Oleg123219307
                        Oleg123219307 4 October 2019 23: 06
                        0
                        It seems to me that VO is not the place where people interested in transhumanism and ways to achieve technological singularity gather, even if this way seems to me promising due to the proximity of ethics and the corresponding specialty ...
              3. Roman070280
                Roman070280 4 October 2019 14: 30
                +1
                The state can only be socialist !!
                Everything else is just different forms of LLC .. where no one owes anything to anyone ..
                1. Oleg123219307
                  Oleg123219307 4 October 2019 18: 13
                  -2
                  Is it good when everyone owes something to someone?
                  1. Roman070280
                    Roman070280 7 October 2019 09: 23
                    0
                    Well, if it’s good for you when ministers / officials send people to hell .. with the words, the state owes you nothing ..
                    That is yes .. for me it would be good on the contrary .. when not people forever owe the state .. but it is to people ..
                    1. Oleg123219307
                      Oleg123219307 7 October 2019 11: 01
                      0
                      You know, no, it doesn’t suit me when people are sent to hell. But there is a nuance. I studied at school for free, my family didn’t have much money then, even the school helped with the textbooks, I went to the university on a budget and graduated from it, I don’t run to paid clinics, being served mainly in the clinic near the house, not according to the principle love for free medicine or lack of money, just a normal clinic. My child was born two years ago, but I refused all social payments, since I am earning enough, but I understand why they are needed. I do not understand the other. Since the age of 18, I have been officially working as a specialist IT specialist in a budgetary institution, it has been 13 years already. And pay officially taxes. At the same time, I’m getting not everything that is supposed to be from the state for me, but only what is really necessary in my opinion. And for some reason I’m not complaining. And a good half of my friends either get paid in black or sits on the neck of her husband / friends / parents / state and do not get tired of stinking like everyone else should. Here I am against it. Better then is LLC with strictly regulated rules than socialism in which I pay lazy people and idlers from my feed for the fact that they are people too ...
                      1. Roman070280
                        Roman070280 7 October 2019 11: 49
                        0
                        I do not understand the other. Since the age of 18, I have been officially working as a specialist IT specialist in a budgetary institution, it has been 13 years already. And pay officially taxes. Wherein I get not all that is due to me from the state,

                        Duc about what the speech .. Show me who receives from the state everything that is supposed to ..
                        Those very members of the State Duma .. and the so-called "self-employed" ..

                        A good half of my friends, or receive a salary in black,

                        Well, I get it in black .. and where to go then .. This is our LLC in the country .. Under socialism, this did not happen .. And the school did not help me with textbooks, but completely provided me ..
                        But the owner I work for has somewhere around 30-40 more income than I do .. I'm not exaggerating !!
                        Do you think a lot of taxes are paid from this ?? Or do you think that these "self-employed" people, and flying every month over the hill, do not exist at someone else's expense ??
                        I'm not even talking about myself .. They exist at your expense too !! For all this money is not from the air .. it’s all the price of the product in the store, and the general inflation ..
                        We do not notice it .. the Range Rover passed .. well, okay .. he "earned himself" ..
                        And no one wondered what kind of work it was ... what were the fruits of this work, and the provision of the money that was spent ..

                        Better then, LLC with strictly regulated the rulesthan socialism in which I pay lazy people and loafers from his feed because they are people too ...

                        You know .. if there were any rules .. then you could live with any system ..
                        We now have no rules .. You can buy at least one person a moon .. And they’ll say - earned ..
                        I wrote about the difference in money between the population .. That 1% of Russians have 90% of the money ..
                        well, etc ..
                        So what are you, what are your acquaintances, who are on the neck of her husband, all included in the cohort of 90% of the population .. who account for about 5% of the funds .. And you look at them, are outraged that within these residues they are to you they climb into a pocket .. But you absolutely do not want to see that some 100-1000 people have already pulled out everything that was possible from this pocket ..
                        At what point and to whom do you "pay lazy people and idlers from your feed for the fact that they are people too ..." And this is not socialism at all, but the opposite !!
                      2. Oleg123219307
                        Oleg123219307 7 October 2019 13: 09
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                        And there are specific suggestions on how to build a system so as to solve the problems you described? Well besides transplant / shoot / outweigh / take away / divide? Because in the form described by you these problems exist not only in our country, but in the whole world, and replanting does not help outweigh ...
            2. Den red
              Den red 4 October 2019 10: 53
              +3
              Quote: Mavrikiy
              Quote: oleg123219307
              Cool life. With half-empty shops, 1 car for 20 people, laws on parasitism, bans on business, travel abroad, in the end on alcohol, and other nishtyaks ...

              Go to school, oh it's me. The knowledge is from there and the Yeltsin Center.

              It is immediately clear that you did not live in those days, young man. Well, there was a serious problem with products such as butter, sausages, meat, fresh fruits such as grapes, oranges, tangerines, especially not in the capitals of the republics. And even in the capitals there were queues and considerable ones. As for clothes and footwear - good goods, high-quality, such as sneakers or women's boots (for example, the brand "Cebo" Czechoslovakia), then in order to get them, you had to have good relations with the sellers or better with the store manager of the corresponding store. As for the car, there was also a shortage - in order to realize your honestly earned (as they said - wooden) rubles, you had to stand in line to get the right to buy a car - and anyone, even Zaporozhets, could not be bought in free sale, the largest queue was of course for VAZs, Muscovites were much easier to buy, because they were worse. Good TVs are the same topic, but there were live queues or recordings in front of consumer electronics stores. In general, the USSR of the 80s is a country of a total shortage of normal household goods. To be honest, the eternal pursuit of food and clothing was definitely straining and exhausting. If you have not experienced this, then of course you will not understand it. As for the good, the final was also not enough: free education (and of a fairly good level), medicine (well, of course, not always of a good level, but accessible to everyone), kindergartens and nurseries, almost free or completely free trade union vouchers to various places of rest, recreation camps, sanatoriums. And the money that the state seemed to have was spent by the state ineffectively, in particular, it was given away to half of the world as aid, etc. Money always goes somewhere, if not to the developing Bantustans, so to the oligarchs, the eternal problem of Russia. In addition, the economy of state planning was also ineffective, there was a lot of junk on the shelves, but nobody needed it, well, for example galoshes, some wretched suits. I remember domestic sneakers - they bought it for me - well, as usual, the oak polymer sole crumbled after a month and a half, I'm already silent about the same oak design. That is why they were looking for imported ones.
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 4 October 2019 11: 17
                +5
                So the total deficit was created artificially, and in the second half of the 70s. The system was deliberately brought to the point of absurdity, in order to destroy the union later.
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 4 October 2019 11: 46
                  -7
                  He was always in the USSR, and in everything - from consumer goods, ending with alloy materials and modern equipment.
                  1. Mavrikiy
                    Mavrikiy 4 October 2019 12: 16
                    +5
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    He was always in the USSR, and in everything - from consumer goods, ending with alloy materials and modern equipment.

                    the system was planned, as much as necessary, and did as much. And if something is not foreseen, then "defesit". You need to understand that the European market is open to all European countries. This is 500-700 million people who will provide consumption and loading of any manufacturer. Our market was already and for unique equipment it was required to build factories that would remain unloaded.
                2. Mavrikiy
                  Mavrikiy 4 October 2019 12: 06
                  +3
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  So the total deficit was created artificially, and in the second half of the 70s. The system was deliberately brought to the point of absurdity, in order to destroy the union later.

                  To whom you explain, the sub-racer who tore off the abstract from the next excellent student (as they said then - wooden)When then and who?
                  the circles that appeared on the banknotes of 1991 were very similar to the rings on the cut of a tree.
                  He has 1991 - socialism.
          2. Roman070280
            Roman070280 4 October 2019 14: 28
            0
            1 car for 20 people, laws on carnivores, bans on business, travel abroad, in the end on alcohol, and other nishtyaks ..


            Do you like to parasitize, get drunk, and go abroad ?? Moreover, having a pretty business ??
            You do not write from the State Duma? I also forgot then about the residence permit in the USA for my wife to mention .. and about the education of children in London ..

            PS .. as it were, it was about the people .. about the ordinary people .. And not about the capitalist tumor ..
            1. Oleg123219307
              Oleg123219307 4 October 2019 18: 16
              -1
              Unfortunately, not from the State Duma ... And in your understanding, everyone who travels abroad works for themselves, dare to drink or send children abroad a capitalist tumor? Check how many Russians fall under the description. Do you think you need all of them to be enemies of the people? How much new things do you learn about the audience of VO ...
              1. Roman070280
                Roman070280 7 October 2019 09: 41
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                A considerable amount .. unfortunately ..
                For I know perfectly well what kind of "work for themselves" .. and where does this money come from !!

                And in contrast to this, it would be nice to see how many Russians are forced to impose loans and mortgages on themselves .. and exist for a significant part of their lives in a stressful state, being constantly OWNED to this "state" of theirs ..
                By the way, they mentioned above about cars .. so now a person is forced to buy a car too .. because it is just a necessity .. Just like a smartphone, etc. ..
                This is not a luxury at all !! This is the same need as toilet paper ..

                Well, returning again to the "tumor" .. There are figures on the distribution of money between the population .. And they are just awful !! And they speak for themselves ..
                1. Oleg123219307
                  Oleg123219307 7 October 2019 11: 14
                  0
                  Your arguments, at least their presence, indicate that you are not a stupid person and not really a radical. Well, finally, understand that taking away from the rich and distributing to the poor is not an option. From the fact that 10% of wealthy Russians are impoverished, the remaining 90% will not live better. It was all already, the country was already undergoing, and dispossession, and the shooting of intelligentsia, and collective farms by force ... I am not against these methods for humanitarian reasons, I am against economic ones. It is simply not effective. For everyone to start living better, one must think not how to redistribute the rights to existing goods, but how to produce more goods. An official’s house worth a billion rubles, it costs so much because it consists of materials and work worth a billion rubles thrown into the economy. Take it away and give it to justice to any other - and most people will not be hot or cold - not to them. But oblige everyone, carrying out large-scale construction to order ALL materials, finishes, work and everything else inside the country, you can throw in a lot of money in the form of orders to millions of people. We have a real sector of 16% of the total working-age population !!! 16% of people produce everything, while the rest lead them and resell to each other the fruits of their labor. This must be changed, not shot for trips abroad ...
                  1. Roman070280
                    Roman070280 7 October 2019 12: 27
                    0
                    From the fact that 10% of wealthy Russians are impoverished, the remaining 90% will not live better.

                    ))) I don’t even know how to comment .. Directly some kind of fairy tale ..
                    Probably, if the poor are "impoverished" 10 times more, and the rich increase their wealth, then we will not live worse? Is it true or not ?? This is first ..

                    Well, and secondly:
                    That everyone began to live better, one must think not how to redistribute the rights to existing goods, but how to produce more goods.

                    This is initially a false statement ..
                    It is not better for everyone !!

                    We found three apples .. two to me, one to you .. Here you can see who is better ..
                    And if we have two apples ?? Which of us is better ?? To everyone ??
                    And if one apple and you and me ?? Say that everyone has become worse ?? But it depends on what to compare .. If you want to find two apples each - then 1 is worse .. But in comparison with each other we are equally divided !! And this is the main thing .. For it is better than when there was nothing ..
                    !! After all, even having found 2 apples each - we will want even better next time !! And when someone collects three - everyone else will get "worse" .. This is a utopian idea !!
                    Better or worse can only be compared .. when one goes on foot, the other on a horse .. Or, when one on a horse and the other on a car .. Or one on a car and the other on an airplane .. It's all an endless pursuit of one’s own tail !! And always under such conditions there will be only a small part of those who feel good .. And the bulk of the population, which is worse !! You get a horse when the owner has already refused it .. and having received it, you didn’t live anyway anyway .. because everything is already in pursuit of the car .. Just like now, the car doesn’t please anyone as much as it could be Rejoice 40 years ago !!

                    By the way .. we don't suffer without a teleport right now, right ?? Although someday he will be the norm of things .. Just like 40 years ago no one suffered without the Internet .. And how much is all this needed ?? How does this help "everyone have a better life" ?? This only infinitely accelerates the technological process, and brings the collapse of humanity closer.
                    But when the great-grandchildren of our oligarchs will have these "teleports" .. and our great-grandchildren only planes .. They will still be WORSE at that moment !!

                    An official’s house worth a billion rubles, it costs so much because it consists of materials and work worth a billion rubles thrown into the economy. Take it away and give it to justice to any other - and most people will not be hot or cold - not to them.


                    This is "The Cherry Orchard", I think ??) Or I forgot ..
                    This is how this house was built .. with these very words !!
                    I agree that if tomorrow another "Sechin / Abramovich" erects another castle .. for us, the majority, it will be neither hot nor cold ..
                    It is not for nothing that they say that it’s easier to rob the poor .. although they are poorer, there are more of them ..))
                    1. Oleg123219307
                      Oleg123219307 7 October 2019 13: 11
                      0
                      And how do you think you need to get out of this situation? After all, you will not drive people under one carbon copy. Look at North Korea, is it good for them today?
            2. Den red
              Den red 5 October 2019 10: 50
              -2
              I am sure that the overwhelming majority of citizens of the USSR would have gladly traveled abroad in the late 70s and all 80s abroad. And then they were looking for Western clothes and remember how fashionable it was to work in shipping companies (young people willingly went to nautical schools for the sake of abroad), in order to bring imported radio tape recorders and other consumer goods to Beryozka stores. The USSR was ineffective due to mistakes in planning. There should be planning, but at the strategic level, but not at the level of how many black laces to make, but how many brown ones, it is also in the west, but not total. There is no competition, there is no opportunity to do anything locally, there is almost no incentive to work better, but there is incentive to drag home from the factory. For example, there is a shoe factory in the USSR, it makes tarpaulin boots, and it overfulfills the plan and receives bonuses for this, but who needs them in such quantity as it makes them !? What a premium for a product that clutters the shelves of stores and warehouses! And no one makes comfortable, beautiful shoes, and no one in the State Planning Commission wants to take care of the production of high-quality footwear and in sufficient quantities for the population, and the director of a factory cannot do it on his own, even if he suddenly gets excited about the cause, he cannot buy modern machines and develop a new design. Then the people see how they dress in the West and see what kind of products they can produce and understand that something went wrong in the USSR as they promised, that communism does not come and will never come. The top rotted because they realized this much earlier, yes, there was another way, like in China, but the top was not of high quality in the USSR, somehow, always Tsar Nicholas II gets weak and worthless, then the CPSU will rot.
        2. armata_armata
          armata_armata 4 October 2019 11: 43
          -1
          The forest is in great numbers, energy goes to China for good money, but only this does not give the Russian people anything out of it.

          Well, to understand what falls, it is enough for China to impose sanctions for one day.
          Then there is a sharp jump in all electronics, 10 or more times, a jump in prices for household appliances, a jump in prices for textiles and products made from it, and even a jump in prices for agricultural products ...
          So in vain yelling, that's from the sale of energy to Europe and titanium in the United States does not really teach the people of the Russian Federation
          1. Roman070280
            Roman070280 4 October 2019 14: 42
            0
            What kind of electronics are we talking about ??
            If I bought a phone on Ali in China for $ 180 .. want to say that Europeans who do not sell wood to the Chinese see a price tag of 1800 bucks on the same page ??

            and even the jump in agricultural prices ...

            That is, our so-called "cheap" products are not yet at a cosmic price in stores, just because we allow the Chinese to export timber out of the country ??)

            And the king boasted that our C / X was developing .. It turns out that we are not allowed to die so that there is someone to cut and drive the forest to China .. that's why they keep afloat ..))

            PS .. but I always said that in fact about the way it is ..
            1. armata_armata
              armata_armata 5 October 2019 20: 25
              0
              What kind of electronics are we talking about ??
              If I bought a phone on Ali in China for $ 180 .. want to say that Europeans who do not sell wood to the Chinese see a price tag of 1800 bucks on the same page ??

              What problems ask for sanctions and you simply won’t see the price tag, and the same Europeans will just sell it to you for 1800 bucks
              That is, our so-called "cheap" products are not yet at a cosmic price in stores, just because we allow the Chinese to export timber out of the country ??)

              And the tsar boasted that our C / X was developing. It turns out that we are not allowed to die so that there is someone to cut down the woods and drive to China .. that’s why they keep afloat ..

              I am very glad that you see the development of C / X, to recall how prices imitated products after EU sanctions? So its share was much less than the share of China
              ps And about the forest, dear friend, we must not eliminate the buyer, but the director. There will be no China, tomorrow your oligarchs will drive the forest to Europe, although it may be good for you ...
              1. Roman070280
                Roman070280 7 October 2019 09: 54
                0
                What problems ask for sanction and you just won’t see the price tagand the same Europeans will just sell it to you for 1800 bucks

                What hangover ?? Because you so wanted ??)
                We do not sell wood to Malaysia .. and buy everything from them through Europe at a 10-fold price ??
                And why, by the way, only in 10-fold ?? You give phones for 20 thousand dollars ..))

                recall how prices emulated products after EU sanctions? So its share was much less than the share of China
                .
                I can still remind you how gasoline is getting more expensive ..
                This is all from the area of ​​cold and wet ..
                We have such close relations with China that it’s not beneficial for anyone to break them .. and the forest doesn’t play any role there at all .. it’s a drop in the ocean .. Another thing is that this drop is simply stolen .. and like that, drop by drop folk resources ..
                And the price tags from the ban on the forest would not have changed anywhere. Otherwise, yesterday they demanded wood, today oil and gas, tomorrow Baikal water, etc. .. And we can’t refuse .. otherwise the price tags will fly up ..))

                I am very glad that you see the development of C / X,

                I just don’t really see ..

                And about the forest, dear friend, it is necessary not to eliminate the buyer, but the director. There will be no China, tomorrow your oligarchs will drive the forest to Europe, although it may be good for you ...

                Ahhh .. these are my oligarchs ..))
                Some people didn’t understand that people are just not against selling anything over a hill .. But it’s when it’s not in the pocket of oligarchs !! And when all this flies past the people .. then at least to China, at least to Europe .. what matters to us ..
                1. armata_armata
                  armata_armata 8 October 2019 15: 25
                  0
                  What hangover ??

                  From your, all the electronics are made in China, ask for sanctions and don’t get into it, there’s nothing good
                  We have such close relations with China that breaking them is not beneficial to anyone ..

                  China does not care not just about the forest of the Russian Federation, but also about oil, because Iran and Pakistan are fully supplied. Russia for China so far is the only source of rapidly aging Soviet technology no more
                  And the price tags from the ban on the forest would not have changed anywhere. Otherwise, yesterday they demanded wood, today oil and gas, tomorrow Baikal water, etc. .. And we can’t refuse .. otherwise the price tags will fly up ..))

                  Refuse who is in the way, but I don’t see besides your cries wink
                  I just don’t really see ..

                  On the channel Russia1 good
                  Ahhh .. these are my oligarchs ..))
                  Some people didn’t understand that people are just not against selling anything over a hill .. But it’s when it’s not in the pocket of oligarchs !!

                  And what would this not be necessary in 93, while the White House was shot to chew snot
        3. AlexG83
          AlexG83 4 October 2019 13: 33
          -1
          Quote: Spartanez300
          The question arises of who will help the Russian people and when. So that people are provided with good housing and decent wages.

          Your bullshit does not quite fit with the essence of the news. More precisely, it does not fit at all. It is about mutually beneficial cooperation for security against the backdrop of nuclear threats.
      2. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 4 October 2019 10: 13
        +4
        Quote: oleg123219307
        oleg123219307 (Oleg)
        They will never risk as long as we have enough nuclear forces. For them, the consequences of nuclear strikes are much harder. They are not autonomous in terms of energy, food, water, if the corresponding infrastructure is destroyed, their population will die out under their own quantity ...
        Temptations and choice of moment + underestimation of the opponent. Everything was in this world before us. feel
      3. Lesorub
        Lesorub 4 October 2019 13: 58
        +3
        Quote: oleg123219307
        They will never risk as long as we have enough nuclear forces. For them, the consequences of nuclear strikes are much harder. They are not autonomous in terms of energy, food, water, if the corresponding infrastructure is destroyed, their population will die out under their own quantity ... But in Siberia in the bare forest and under the radioactive rain you will not especially expand ... They understand this very well. It is more profitable for them to buy resources, but what's there, the whole volume of our economy is three-month earnings for them ... What is the point of fighting, it’s easier for them to buy us up, which is happening slowly.

        Who said that a hypothetical conflict with China would involve the use of nuclear weapons ?! But the transfer of new technologies to the "neighbor" is not entirely logical and most likely dangerous!
      4. Adimius38
        Adimius38 5 October 2019 00: 10
        -1
        what nuclear forces are needed to strike at China, medium-range missiles that we don’t have yet were cut according to the agreement with the Americans, but China did not interfere with riveting them. In the SECOND lightning capture of Siberia and the Far East with Russian cities will not allow us to deliver a nuclear strike on them, and China can easily incinerate the entire western densely populated part of Russia. This Moscow surrendered to him, the main goal of Siberia, the Far East and resources.
        1. Den red
          Den red 5 October 2019 10: 54
          -2
          Quote: Adimius38
          SECOND lightning capture of Siberia and the Far East

          First, let their Hong Kong be quieted down and deal with Taiwan, I think it will be easier than to capture Siberia with lightning speed.
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    3. aszzz888
      aszzz888 4 October 2019 09: 54
      +4
      Fedor Sokolov (Fedor Sokolov) Today, 09: 41
      0
      Very much in vain! With the Chinese you need to keep your ear sharp, and your nose in the wind, they have long been looking at our Siberia like a cat on sour cream.

      You need to keep your ear sharp with everyone. But it is not clear about Siberia; Chinese that will go to war? Or will we give it to them, give it? request I believe that such options will never be.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 4 October 2019 10: 20
        -4
        Quote: aszzz888
        But about Siberia it is not clear; the Chinese that go to war? or we give it to them, give it to them

        The Chinese will go to war in one case, if we start fighting with the Americans, then we can expect a stab in the back from them .. and so, they just rent Siberia, burn the taiga floor, then take out the round timber for a penny ..
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 4 October 2019 11: 08
          -4
          Well maybe enough already about the forest? Round timber accounts for only 8 percent of timber exports. for example, in 2007 it was 24 percent. total volume of the workpiece 220 ml cubic meters. the black market accounts for 20 million. this is of course a lot. and this must be fought. but you understand, we cut down 11 times more for ourselves. if the law passes that prohibits completely the export of unprocessed timber by 35, this will solve this problem. but the very topic of forest removal is a crime. it’s just that the security forces would fight harder.
        2. aszzz888
          aszzz888 4 October 2019 12: 18
          0
          Svarog (Vladimir) Today, 10: 20
          -7
          Quote: aszzz888
          But about Siberia it is not clear; the Chinese that go to war? or we give it to them, give it to them

          The Chinese will go to war in one case, if we start fighting with the Americans, then backstab can be expected from them ..

          I believe this will not come to this. I don’t put a minus to you. This is your personal opinion.
        3. Stalllker
          Stalllker 4 October 2019 13: 49
          -3
          Have you ever been to the taiga, have you seen how much forest there ??? It can not be cut down by all the Chinese !!!
          1. Adimius38
            Adimius38 5 October 2019 00: 12
            0
            this taiga is no longer there, you saw what wastelands there, chopping there mercilessly
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 4 October 2019 11: 20
        +3
        WILL NEVER.
        Those. in your opinion, the USSR in vain kept the thousands of troops in the Far East?
        1. aszzz888
          aszzz888 4 October 2019 12: 23
          +2
          Ingvar 72 (Igor) Today, 11: 20
          -3
          WILL NEVER.
          Those. in your opinion, the USSR in vain kept the thousands of troops in the Far East?

          If you are about the times of the event on about. Damansky, then YES, I agree with you. Such was the time, such were the politicians, SUCH A NECESSITY, SUCH A REALITY. The minus is not mine, it is necessary to respect ANY statements of the forum member (except Russophobic).
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 4 October 2019 18: 35
            -1
            I don’t care about the minuses, and you have been on the site for a long time, i.e. grew out of the age of the minuser.
            And on the topic, since the time of Damansky the balance of power has changed not in our favor. request
        2. Stalllker
          Stalllker 4 October 2019 13: 50
          +1
          Previously, the types of weapons were different
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 4 October 2019 18: 37
            -1
            And the Chinese army was weaker! wink
    4. cormorant
      cormorant 4 October 2019 09: 58
      +10
      And then there will be articles in the Chinese press with the headlines "Our Excellent Engineers Have Created the World's Best Early Warning System for Missile Attack."
    5. Svarog
      Svarog 4 October 2019 10: 04
      0
      Quote: Fyodor Sokolov
      The President of the Russian Federation notes that he understands that 70% of Russian exports are energy carriers, but considers it natural.

      Putin believes that selling only natural resources is natural. They don’t even try to jump off the oil and gas needle ..
      In particular, last year it reached $ 108 billion, and the next task set a mark of $ 200 billion.

      Since the age of 14, this task has been worth 200 billion .. yes, something the Chinese are in no hurry to open their market, we are helping them build a missile defense system, they cut half of the taiga for them, we sell oil and gas at a low price .. but what do we get from this?
      We work in a positive manner, in the interests of each other. ”

      Personally, I get the feeling that you (the government) are working in the positive and in the interests, but your interests are very different from the interests of the people of Russia ..
      1. asv363
        asv363 4 October 2019 10: 52
        +3
        Vladimir, why are you manipulating?
        You write:
        Quote: Svarog
        Putin believes selling only Natural resources are natural. They don’t even try to jump off the oil and gas needle ..

        Quote from the news:
        The President of the Russian Federation notes that he understands that 70% of Russian exports are energy carriers, but considers this to be natural, since Beijing needs these goods, and Russia possesses them. But this does not mean that Moscow is not involved in other areas of economic cooperation.

        For an example of high-tech exports. Russia has built 4 units at the Tianwan NPP, a contract has been signed for the construction of 4 more, 3 separation plants have been equipped with our centrifuges, a license has been sold and equipment for the production of fuel assemblies for VVER-1000 reactors has been supplied, with our help a small research reactor has been built in China on fast neutrons with sodium coolant CEFR.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 4 October 2019 10: 55
          -3
          Vladimir, why are you manipulating?
          You write:
          Quote: Svarog
          Putin believes that selling only natural resources is natural. They don’t even try to jump off the oil and gas needle ..

          But what manipulations are there if 70% of the export is hydrocarbons, what do we produce, except for the military-industrial complex, which is in demand in the world?
          1. asv363
            asv363 4 October 2019 11: 02
            +7
            I specially cited for you an example of our high-tech export in nuclear energy.
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 4 October 2019 11: 48
            -1
            For example, this
            - something 70% of hydrocarbons are not observed in export.
      2. Okolotochny
        Okolotochny 4 October 2019 12: 49
        -2
        And what did the USSR sell to the WEST? The same raw materials! Svarog, how so? Gap template!
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 4 October 2019 13: 11
          +2
          Quote: Okolotochny
          And what did the USSR sell to the WEST? The same raw materials! Svarog, how so? Gap template!

          Fragmentation, to begin with, the USSR fully provided for itself .. We all had our own. Starting from a needle and ending with an airplane. Now Super Jet is 70% of foreign components. And if you look around you, then even the cowards on you are Chinese, not to mention everything else. The USSR was the second economy in the world, and if you have already decided to compare, and Russia is now in 12th place ...
          https://basetop.ru/rejting-ekonomik-mira-2019-tablitsa-vvp-stran-mira/
          Do you want to say that in the USSR oil and gas were extracted more? So here you are mistaken .. Now Russia produces three times more oil and gas than in the USSR .... Here your template probably burst laughing
          Then how it turns out, Russia produces three times as much oil, and in economic terms it is already in 12th place ..
          And moreover, from the fact that Russia has significantly increased production, people only began to live worse ..
          Here is a link to study .. so that your templates would not break ...
          http://saf.petrsu.ru/journal/article.php?id=142
          1. Okolotochny
            Okolotochny 4 October 2019 13: 14
            -1
            Scale, to begin with, the USSR fully provided for itself ..

            Yes, there was no such thing. There was no elementary normal consumer goods. The main foreign exchange earnings were oil, gas, mineral fertilizers, ferrous and non-ferrous metallurgy. Everything. Clothes, shoes, medical preparations, even food were purchased for this currency.
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 4 October 2019 13: 17
              +1
              Quote: Okolotochny
              Yes, there was no such thing. There was no elementary normal consumer goods

              It was, another question, that consumer goods were not enough ..
              Quote: Okolotochny
              For this currency, clothes, shoes, medical preparations, even food were purchased.

              And do you remember a lot of imported clothing, medical preparations, and especially food? I don’t remember at all ..
              And once again, Russia now produces oil and gas three times as much as in the USSR ..
              1. Okolotochny
                Okolotochny 4 October 2019 13: 23
                +1
                And do you remember a lot of imported clothing, medical preparations, and especially food?

                My grandmother, mom and aunt were sick. Medical preparations were taken out from under the floor, the little one was, in memory of Seduxen, I clearly remember that. They got it - there was joy. According to consumer goods - they brought a batch of Chinese sneakers - Gold Coop in my opinion. Tell you, what was the queue and what was going on in it? This is a souvenir from childhood. According to the medicines - all relatives were cores, with headaches and pressure - citramone, analgin, tinctures of hawthorn and motherwort were from their own. I don’t remember anything else.
      3. Stalllker
        Stalllker 4 October 2019 13: 51
        -1
        Another sofa lumberjack
    6. swzero
      swzero 4 October 2019 10: 18
      +3
      Nonsense. They are quite happy with the purchase of resources. There is plenty of money and goods for this. As a sales market and geopolitical partner, they also need Russia. Talking about the seizure of territory from a nuclear power is double bullshit. Early warning systems for launches from Russia to China are useless - reaction time is too short. This is a weapon against the states.
      1. Bongo
        Bongo 4 October 2019 14: 46
        +7
        Quote: swzero
        Early warning systems for launches from Russia to China are useless - reaction time is too short.

        Are you curious about where they deployed and where they look Chinese radar SPRN?
        1. novel66
          novel66 4 October 2019 17: 42
          +3
          Sergei hi I wonder, I don’t know anything about this !!
          1. Bongo
            Bongo 5 October 2019 03: 09
            +3
            Quote: novel xnumx
            Sergey hi I wonder, I don’t know anything about this !!

            Roman, welcome! Two radars known as REL-3 and REL-1 were built in the 80 years in the north and north-west of China in the vicinity of the cities of Hulun-Buir (Inner Mongolia) and Tsitsikar (Heilongjiang Province)

            The radar image in the vicinity of Tsitsikar

            Another REL-1 in the vicinity of Tianshui is located in the south of China in Gansu province.
            The newly built south-facing flat-antenna radar is located in the Bayan-Gol-Mongol Autonomous Okrug.
        2. swzero
          swzero 4 October 2019 18: 10
          -1
          north including because no one canceled the launch of missiles across the pole.
          1. Bongo
            Bongo 5 October 2019 03: 14
            +3
            Quote: swzero
            north including because no one canceled the launch of missiles across the pole.

            Yes, the bulk of the radars built in the 80-ies looks really north. But they are not intended to detect American ICBMs. Given that most of the American warheads are deployed on SLBMs, it is at least strange to assume that they will be launched in China from the north, through Russian territory. Now the Chinese are building radars to control the southern direction, they are worried about India, which is actively developing a nuclear missile program.
            1. swzero
              swzero 5 October 2019 17: 27
              0
              If it were against the USSR, then there were also in the west - nobody canceled attacks from the west from the territory of Kazakhstan.
              1. Bongo
                Bongo 6 October 2019 00: 06
                0
                Quote: swzero
                north including because no one canceled the launch of missiles across the pole.

                Quote: swzero
                If it were against the USSR, then there were also in the west - nobody canceled attacks from the west from the territory of Kazakhstan.

                Alexey, why write frank nonsense? You have "no one cancels anything", but this does not agree with reality in any way. Open the map, the station in the Inner Mongolia region just controls the northwest direction.
        3. Leopold
          Leopold 4 October 2019 19: 51
          +5
          Namesake hi Of course interesting, be sure to tell. Your articles are few, we are waiting. Hi Olga. And this is neither tail nor scales!
          1. Bongo
            Bongo 5 October 2019 03: 20
            +3
            Quote: Leopold
            Namesake hi Of course interesting, be sure to tell. Your articles are few, we are waiting. Hi Olga.

            Sergey, hello! drinks Yes, somehow I’ll get together and write about it. As for the declared assistance in creating the Chinese missile defense system. This is not even stupidity, this is betrayal. am
            Quote: Leopold
            Hi Olga. And this is neither tail nor scales!

            Thank! Fishes reach us less and less every year. In the estuary, with the blessing of our authorities, they catch it in a barbaric way. They put fences from steel mesh and scoop them out of pockets with excavators. And against local people living on the river, they start criminal cases and write huge fines.
    7. Shuttle
      Shuttle 4 October 2019 10: 19
      +4
      Quote: Fedor Sokolov
      Very much in vain! With the Chinese you need to keep your ear sharp, and your nose in the wind, they have long been looking at our Siberia like a cat on sour cream.

      I probably agree with you in the sense that the Chinese should, should be the same state predators who are fond of other people's resources like the USA, Great Britain, France, Germany, Italy and other countries that refer to themselves only as countries of developed democracy.
      But I have only one question - how many aggressive wars did the Chinese start in general and the PRC in particular? Are there many peoples capturing genocide? Maybe there are vivid historical examples?
      Because if they are not there, it is somehow strange that they are about to begin to behave somehow differently than before.
      And yes, let's get right to the concepts right away. The incident on Damansky Island for Soviet border guards is naturally a glorious page worthy of memory and respect, but with a diplomatic so-called clear puncture. As far as one can judge now, such a story is impossible because both sides understand the border in the same way.
      1. pru-pavel
        pru-pavel 4 October 2019 16: 56
        +1
        Well, what's the biggest. This is the capture of Tibet and the operation in Xinjiang. In general, they managed to fight with almost all the neighbors
    8. Boris55
      Boris55 4 October 2019 10: 19
      0
      Quote: Fyodor Sokolov
      Very much in vain!

      How can missile attack early warning systems harm Russia?

      Everyone who is trying to harm our relationship with China,
      work for US interests.
      1. snake
        snake 4 October 2019 11: 47
        +1
        Quote: Boris55
        How can missile attack early warning systems harm Russia?

        So, if suddenly (and it is impossible to completely exclude such an option) there will be a war with China, then without nuclear weapons we will not reassure them. And the better China has a warning system, the more difficult it will be for us to reassure them.
        Quote: Boris55
        Everyone who is trying to harm our relationship with China,
        work for US interests.

        A good example of poster slogan thinking. All that is not white is black.
    9. Ivan Ivanov
      Ivan Ivanov 4 October 2019 10: 29
      +2
      Quote: Fyodor Sokolov
      Very much in vain! With the Chinese you need to keep your ear sharp, and your nose in the wind, they have long been looking at our Siberia like a cat on sour cream.

      Exactly, let's wait until the states deal with the PRC and take over for us. They do not need Siberia at the cost of war, this will weaken both to the delight of the states, this is obvious. China is a natural travel companion, a balance of power is needed. Who really should be handed out is officials selling wood for kickbacks.
    10. RUSS
      RUSS 4 October 2019 11: 29
      +2
      Quote: Fyodor Sokolov
      Very vain

      Recently, YouTube looked at reviews of Maltsev, so he openly says that the GDP is a Chinese spy ...
    11. Chaldon48
      Chaldon48 4 October 2019 12: 40
      +3
      And to help them less with their technologies, otherwise they buy the old, and steal the new.
    12. Stalllker
      Stalllker 4 October 2019 13: 47
      0
      Yes, calm down, you and Siberia, they look at everything
    13. EXPrompt
      EXPrompt 4 October 2019 13: 48
      -2
      Quote: Fedor Sokolov
      Very much in vain! With the Chinese you need to keep your ear sharp, and your nose in the wind, they have long been looking at our Siberia like a cat on sour cream.

      Learn history, it carries a reasonable, good eternal ..

      The Chinese do not know how to fight, they have more than one in the history of China, the war against anyone did not end with anything worthwhile. And they themselves know this.
      Even the war of 1979 against the obviously weaker Vietnam ended in zilch ..
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 4 October 2019 17: 37
        +1
        Quote: EXPrompt
        Quote: Fedor Sokolov
        Very much in vain! With the Chinese you need to keep your ear sharp, and your nose in the wind, they have long been looking at our Siberia like a cat on sour cream.

        Learn history, it carries a reasonable, good eternal ..

        The Chinese do not know how to fight, they have more than one in the history of China, the war against anyone did not end with anything worthwhile. And they themselves know this.
        Even the war of 1979 against the obviously weaker Vietnam ended in zilch ..

        In today's world, the Chinese will not fight with weapons, they will buy everything and everyone.
  2. aszzz888
    aszzz888 4 October 2019 09: 52
    -2
    The president emphasized that these relations are not “friendship or work against someone. We work in positivein the interests of each other. "

    And from this "positive" the Merikatos are sore.
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 4 October 2019 10: 07
      0
      Quote: aszzz888
      The president emphasized that these relations are not “friendship or work against someone. We work in positivein the interests of each other. "

      And from this "positive" the Merikatos are sore.

      Not at all amerikos or a liberalist, but contorted. request
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 4 October 2019 12: 26
        0
        Mavrikiy Today, 10: 07
        +1
        Quote: aszzz888
        The president emphasized that these relations are not “friendship or work against someone. We work in a positive manner, in the interests of each other. ”

        And from this "positive" the Merikatos are sore.

        Not at all amerikos or a liberalist, but contorted. request

        Your right to accept and understand the events as you see them.
  3. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 4 October 2019 09: 53
    +4
    The question is how do we help ?! The most correct way is to sell a turnkey solution like Voronezh radar and a station with brains for processing and connect it to our system .. all this for good money. Copying all this makes no sense, there are not many such stations.
  4. Obi-Wan Kenobi
    Obi-Wan Kenobi 4 October 2019 09: 53
    +6
    Well, well.
    Then this missile defense will be used against us.
    1. eagle owl
      eagle owl 4 October 2019 10: 03
      +1
      Against us, they do not so much need an early warning system - they have just everything that is accessible from Vladivostok. But the goals on the territory of the Russian Federation are already beyond the range of the RSD. But a single shield against, for example, state ICBMs - yes.
      This is a purely defensive system, it can only work against us if we attack China, and we just don’t need to - there is no sense in the word at all. Here, in general, the whole system plows on us, they will also pay for it
      1. Obi-Wan Kenobi
        Obi-Wan Kenobi 4 October 2019 12: 10
        +2
        Here, in general, the whole system plows on us, they will also pay for it

        Do not flatter yourself.
        The Chinese will quickly find her application.
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 4 October 2019 11: 17
      0
      How so?
  5. DEDPIHTO
    DEDPIHTO 4 October 2019 09: 59
    +1
    According to Putin, such a mutually beneficial partnership has a good effect on the economy, and significantly increased trade between the two countries. In particular, last year it reached $ 108 billion, and the next task set a mark of $ 200 billion.

    The President of the Russian Federation notes that he understands that 70% of Russian exports are energy carriers, but considers this to be natural, since Beijing needs these goods, and Russia possesses them. But this does not mean that Moscow is not involved in other areas of economic cooperation.
    Other areas of economic cooperation, what else? what The transit of Chinese goods through the territory of Russia? winked The assistant is mutually beneficial))
    1. Loess
      Loess 4 October 2019 10: 20
      +2
      Quote: DEPHIHTO
      Other areas of economic cooperation, what else?


      Something like this ...
      The cooperation between China and Russia in the field of nuclear energy has entered a new stage.
      The parties signed an agreement on the construction of the 7 and 8 power units of the Tianwan NPP in Lianyungang in the amount of 1,702 billion. Since the first phase of the power plant was built in 1999, China and Russia have accumulated valuable experience in the field of nuclear energy technologies and brought cooperation in the construction and management of such facilities to a new level.
      http://russian.news.cn/2019-10/02/c_138444368.htm
  6. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 4 October 2019 10: 05
    +4
    Putin: Russia helps China to develop a national missile defense system
    We work in a positive manner, in the interests of each other. ”
    It is doubtful. Now, if we had them missile defense, and they would ship us ..... feel
    1. 100502
      100502 4 October 2019 10: 21
      +6
      They will build roads for free for us to export resources
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 4 October 2019 10: 33
        +3
        Quote: 100502
        They will build roads for free for us to export resources

        I'm afraid not only to take it out, but it will be comfortable to attack them, they will also build a high-speed railway.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 4 October 2019 11: 50
      -5
      And what quality are these ships?
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 4 October 2019 11: 53
        0
        Quote: Vadim237
        And what quality are these ships?

        Oh, questions already. Now the bargain will go. feel
        So it is in the contract to provide for the representatives of the customer on the slipway.
  7. Geosun
    Geosun 4 October 2019 10: 08
    +1
    Quote: cormorant
    And then there will be articles in the Chinese press with the headlines "Our Excellent Engineers Have Created the World's Best Early Warning System for Missile Attack."

    Yes and figs with them. If you look at things realistically: Russia cannot manage to restrain China in its development, in a year or two they themselves will create an early warning system, but for now there is an opportunity to make good money on this.
  8. businessv
    businessv 4 October 2019 10: 09
    +2
    He noted that Russia has long been cooperating with the PRC in various fields - from agrarian to outer space.

    It would have been awesome if we had even concluded an agreement that the PRC would undertake to free Russia from corruption, bureaucrats, oligarchic system and stupid leadership! It can be seen that the current government of our country cannot do it! Colleagues, this is a joke, relax! wink I myself immediately recalled an anecdote about the Chinese special forces, which "imperceptibly penetrate our country in small groups of 10-15 thousand people ..."
  9. 100502
    100502 4 October 2019 10: 19
    +5
    What else can you expect from a traitor
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 4 October 2019 23: 02
      -1
      What else can you expect from a traitor

      Continuing the cause of the "inspirers"

  10. rocket757
    rocket757 4 October 2019 10: 35
    +1
    "help" is not for nothing.
    By definition, mutually beneficial cooperation .....
    Against the definition, it is not wrong if the details are not known.
    I don’t know, so there is no reason to shout.
  11. for
    for 4 October 2019 10: 53
    0
    Quote: oleg123219307
    the consequences of nuclear strikes are much harder

    Maybe enough for them to throw all of them. It has two ends, so China is at hand.
  12. _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 4 October 2019 11: 02
    +5
    In particular, last year it reached $ 108 billion, and the next task set a mark of $ 200 billion.
    nothing to rejoice about, we give them natural resources, they are finished goods with high added value to us
    Russia's exports to China in 2018 by product groups:
    Mineral fuel, oil and products of their distillation; bituminous substances; mineral waxes - 73,53%
    Wood and wood products; charcoal - 6,34%
    Nuclear reactors, boilers, equipment and mechanical devices; parts thereof - 2,69%
    Fish and crustaceans, mollusks and other aquatic invertebrates - 2,66%
    Ores, slag and ash - 2,49%
    Copper and articles thereof - 1,96%
    Pulp of wood or of other fibrous cellulosic materials; recyclable paper or cardboard (waste paper and waste) - 1,89%
    Fertilizers - 1,06%
  13. demo
    demo 4 October 2019 11: 57
    +1
    The president emphasized that these relations are not “friendship or work against someone. We work in a positive manner, in the interests of each other. ”
    If there were only two countries in the world - the Russian Federation and China, then yes.
    If there is a third, fourth, ......, one hundred and seventy-ninth, then Putin's words are deceit.
  14. Old Horseradish
    Old Horseradish 4 October 2019 12: 25
    +2
    It's funny to read. Poor Russia (oligarchs are not taken into account) "helps" China. The subcolony helps, in fact, the Empire. China then chops off Siberia and the Far East, and maybe it will go further. Who will help the population of Russia?
  15. ZVS
    ZVS 4 October 2019 13: 56
    +2
    We once helped Somalia, all of Eastern Europe, and now the pirates of Somalia are seizing our ships, and our European friends in the past have deployed nuclear weapons at our country. I think that in the future the same will happen with China.
  16. Xenofont
    Xenofont 4 October 2019 17: 40
    +3
    Something I do not remember such initiatives from the Chinese. The limitations of these parties in trade and in the banking sector and in investments are the norm! At the very least, they could build factories for the production of electronics and share technologies. Well, sir!
  17. Lexus
    Lexus 4 October 2019 22: 30
    0
    70% of Russian exports are energy carriers, but it is considered natural, since Beijing needs these goods, and Russia possesses them. But this does not mean that Moscow is not involved in other areas of economic cooperation.

    "Pretty friendship" turns out - between a bloodsucker and a forced "donor". Begging for resources in exchange for junk.
  18. APASUS
    APASUS 4 October 2019 22: 46
    0
    Putin with one said sentence, put everything on the map. I think a statement for experts from the Pentagon.
  19. datur
    datur 4 October 2019 23: 23
    0
    since they see with us so we have them !!! wink
  20. Adimius38
    Adimius38 5 October 2019 00: 13
    +1
    Vova will play enough brotherly games with China and go on vacation, and when China tramples on Siberia and the Far East, then we should disentangle
  21. Vasya the Curious
    Vasya the Curious 5 October 2019 01: 20
    0
    Can you help the population of the country where you are the President?