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The representative of the national battalion spoke about the mood at the forefront after signing the "Steinmeier formula"

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Ukrainian media publish interviews with representatives of nationalist armed groups who are conducting hostilities in the Donbass. These interviews are dedicated to the only question: do they intend to fulfill the so-called Steinmeier formula. Translated into ordinary language: are they going to cease fire and move away from the line of contact?


The representative of the national battalion spoke about the mood at the forefront after signing the "Steinmeier formula"


One of the representatives of the national battalions in an interview with the Ukrainian "Observer" spoke about the mood of the Ukrainian security forces (or rather, the militants) on the front line after Kiev signed the "Steinmeier formula" and made it clear that they were not going to leave the line of contact. In this case, the argument is pre-stored. According to the representative of the illegal armed group, "the withdrawal from the ORDLO (separate areas of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions - LPR and DPR) of armed groups will not be carried out."

That is, the Ukrainian fighter is trying to forecast the actions of opponents in order to "justify" an irresistible desire to continue to make money in the civil war.

From the statements of the representative of the National Battalion:

We do not understand what is happening. This is the surrender of the interests of Ukraine. They want to legalize bandits there through elections. But there can be no election there. First you need to restore control over the entire territory of Ukraine, over the border with the Russian Federation, and only then hold elections according to Ukrainian laws.

Thus, the fact is confirmed, which indicates that the nationalist armed groups of Ukraine are not going to leave their positions at the contact line and will openly sabotage the agreements signed by Kiev, as well as the results of a future meeting of the Norman four.
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  1. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 4 October 2019 06: 21
    +40
    will openly sabotage the agreements signed by Kiev
    As they shot, they will shoot, as they killed, they will kill! And no one decree to them ... In the year 14 it was necessary to finish with the Natsiks!
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 4 October 2019 06: 30
      +34
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      . In the year 14 it was necessary to end with the Natsik!

      It was necessary to finish earlier, about 70 years ago. Defective I.V. Stalin.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 4 October 2019 06: 35
        +45
        No, not Stalin. But the carelessness of the "maize grower" .. And in general the Banderaites must be physically destroyed.
        1. Spartanez300
          Spartanez300 4 October 2019 06: 46
          +15
          These Nazi scumbags do not understand the words about the world, the war will continue until they are buried in the ground.
        2. Vladimir16
          Vladimir16 4 October 2019 06: 47
          +14
          Quote: Dead Day
          Defective I.V. Stalin.

          Quote: 210ox
          No, not Stalin. But the carelessness of the "corn grower"

          The Communists came up with this shnyaga with the national republics.
          Lenin, Stalin, Khrushchov - these are the people who cut the borders to both Ukrainians and Kazakhs and the rest.
          They gave them Russian lands.
          So now Russians are at war with the Nazis as a result of these communist experiments.
          1. rMN
            rMN 4 October 2019 08: 04
            -5
            in your words no less than racism
            1. Voyager
              Voyager 4 October 2019 12: 53
              +4
              And what is racism manifested in?
          2. Glory1974
            Glory1974 4 October 2019 08: 38
            +19
            So now Russians are at war with the Nazis as a result of these communist experiments.

            Firstly, under the communists no one fought with each other.
            Secondly, in Ukraine, Russians are at war with Russians.
            Thirdly, if you do not like what the Communists did, do something your own. But besides ruining all the affairs of the Communists, there’s not enough mind for anything. So we have what we have.
            1. Victor N
              Victor N 4 October 2019 11: 02
              -16
              Many people lack the understanding of what the Communists have done.
            2. Sergey1987
              Sergey1987 4 October 2019 11: 38
              -8
              Quote: glory1974
              Firstly, under the communists no one fought with each other.

              Wasn't civil under the communists? Ukrainization did not the Communists? Then they themselves did not fight with the nationalists, the Communists?
              Quote: glory1974
              Thirdly, if you do not like what the Communists did, do something your own.

              And you have already done the business that you yourself must do something of your own. And most importantly, you ruined the USSR, and now you whine.
              Quote: glory1974
              But besides ruining all the affairs of the Communists, there’s not enough mind for anything.

              And we don’t need to shit you, you yourself did a great job of this.
              1. Beringovsky
                Beringovsky 4 October 2019 16: 02
                +2
                Sergey1987
                Wasn't civil under the communists?

                Representatives of the old regime ignited a civil war. All fault is solely on them.
                Ukrainization did not the Communists?

                Yeah, so "Ukrainized" that until now almost all of Ukraine speaks Russian.
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 4 October 2019 17: 30
                  +7
                  Quote: glory1974
                  The communists came up with this shnyaga with the national republics. Lenin, Stalin, Khrushchov - these are the people who cut the borders to both Ukrainians and Kazakhs and others. They gave them Russian lands. Here and now Russians are fighting with the Nazis as a result of these communist experiments.
                  Quote: Rmn
                  in your words no less than racism
                  Quote: Voyager
                  And what is racism manifested in?
                  Quote: Victor N
                  Many people lack the understanding of what the Communists have done.
                  Do not argue among themselves, my dear people! Each of you is right in his own way! Namely.
                  Here is my opinion.

                  The development of Soviet Russia - the first socialist in the world. State was twofold - CONFLICT - character.
                  On the one hand, Russian peoplewho believed in the communist. the idea of ​​the Bolshevik-Leninists, and. being the carrier of the HOLD, and not the shtetl-marginal national mentality, on all fronts building really built up socialism within the whole country as its whole multinational. Homeland. In principle, he had nothing left to do.
                  But at the same time, on the other hand, in the former tsarist nat. outskirts, where feudal relations and own nat prevailed. the proletariat was absent (there were no carriers of the proletarian mentality there), power from the Bolshevik-Leninists and under their control received the petty national bourgeoisie and former local feudal lords.
                  National industry was built by the hands of Russian and Russian-speaking peoples.
                  In this case, everything that was created truly national for the years of the Council. power in the once backward tsarist nat. suburbs - it is only the local national party and Soviet bureaucracy, as well as the national creative intelligentsiaserving it (social scientists, writers, artists, etc.).
                  This nat. the party and Soviet bureaucracy and the intelligentsia objectively retained the national bourgeois-feudal mentality not only in relation to their own working people, but also regarding those who came, in their opinion, “to hunch Russians on them” up to the time of the so-called Gorbachev "new thinking".

                  TOTAL national problems in the USSR were not only from the very beginning of Soviet power, but also had a national-bourgeois class character in relation to the Russian people. BUT 1991 counter-bourgeois coup in the USSR generally only raised from the bottom to the surface the already existing national-bourgeois deformations during the construction of socialism in Russiathat the Soviet leadership tried not to publicize.
                2. Sergey1987
                  Sergey1987 5 October 2019 11: 27
                  0
                  Quote: Beringovsky
                  Representatives of the old regime ignited a civil war. All fault is solely on them.

                  Wines on the Bolsheviks who made the coup.
                  Quote: Beringovsky
                  Yeah, so "Ukrainized" that until now almost all of Ukraine speaks Russian.

                  To begin with, they visited at least Ukraine before talking nonsense about the language. And it was under the Communists that the division of the Russian people took place.
                  1. Beringovsky
                    Beringovsky 6 October 2019 16: 42
                    +1
                    To begin with, we visited at least Ukraine before talking nonsense about the language

                    For starters, you yourself should go there.
                    That would not carry nonsense.
                    1. Sergey1987
                      Sergey1987 9 October 2019 12: 12
                      0
                      Quote: Beringovsky
                      For starters, you yourself should go there.
                      That would not carry nonsense.

                      They smiled. For your information, I am still a citizen of Ukraine.
                  2. Glory1974
                    Glory1974 7 October 2019 20: 14
                    +1
                    Wines on the Bolsheviks who made the coup.

                    The Bolsheviks made a revolution, and the bourgeoisie made a coup and she overthrew the tsar.
                    1. Sergey1987
                      Sergey1987 9 October 2019 12: 48
                      0
                      Quote: glory1974
                      The Bolsheviks made a revolution, and the bourgeoisie made a coup and she overthrew the tsar.

                      Well, of course you do not call it a coup. That's just the essence of it does not change. The Bolsheviks did not take power in the elections and did not even have a majority in parliament, but with the help of weapons. The bourgeoisie could not make a coup, it was already in power, because there were merchants and industrialists under the tsar. And the king was not overthrown, he denied.
                      1. Glory1974
                        Glory1974 9 October 2019 20: 18
                        0
                        you do not call it a coup.

                        Read the difference between the coup and the revolution.
                        The bourgeoisie could not make a coup, it was already in power, because there were merchants and industrialists under the tsar.

                        This is called a coup. One bourgeois was exchanged for another. Also by the way without an election.
                        The Bolsheviks did not take power in the elections and did not even have a majority in parliament, but with the help of weapons.

                        But this is a revolution. Not only the head was changed, but also the parliament and the social system.
                        And the king was not overthrown, he denied.

                        You can say so, if we assume that the king woke up and got up on the wrong foot. But in fact, the deputies came to him and offered to resign. He turned to the front commander, but they did not support him. just read the history, and he learns that he was overthrown. It means that he denied, but was not beheaded, does not change the essence.
              2. Glory1974
                Glory1974 7 October 2019 20: 18
                +1
                Wasn't civil under the communists? Ukrainization did not the Communists? Then they themselves did not fight with the nationalists, the Communists?

                Civil was under the whites, so what? Ukrainization under the Communists, these are flowers compared to Ukrainization in the 90 years under the liberals, with the tacit consent of the Kremlin Democrats. And they began to fight with the Natsiks in 2014.
                And most importantly, you ruined the USSR, and now you whine.

                The top ruined the USSR. At the referendum for the preservation of the USSR, 70% of the people voted FOR. And we do not whine, we just remember.
                1. Sergey1987
                  Sergey1987 9 October 2019 12: 59
                  0
                  Quote: glory1974
                  Civil was under the whites, so what?

                  And what you write is that under the communists no one fought with each other, but in fact they fought.
                  Quote: glory1974
                  Ukrainization under the Communists, these are flowers compared to Ukrainization in the 90s under the liberals, with the tacit consent of the Kremlin Democrats.

                  What does the Russian liberals of 90's have to do with Ukrainization of 90's? You have complete mess in your head. Would be a single country, I still understand that they could be blamed for this, and so they can only be blamed for the devastation of the 90's.
                  Quote: glory1974
                  And the war with the Natsiks began in 2014.

                  Yes, you directly opened your eyes to the truth. Nobody knew about it without you.
                  Quote: glory1974
                  The top ruined the USSR. At the referendum for the preservation of the USSR, 70% of the people voted FOR. And we do not whine, we just remember.

                  And you always just remember, just whining, just keep quiet, just do nothing. Everything is simple with you. Our elite ruined our country, but you just didn’t do anything and simply were silent. Pseudo-Democrats took power, but you just didn’t do anything and simply were silent. But in the comments on the sites you just pour in an abundance of words and criticism. So you just whine. When it was necessary to rise, you simply were silent, and now just remember. So now just keep quiet. We do not need your pseudo revolutions.
                  1. Glory1974
                    Glory1974 9 October 2019 20: 09
                    0
                    Our country was ruined by your very top

                    Great phrase! And who are you? Probably in your own country with someone else's elite?
                    you write, under the communists no one fought with each other, but in fact they fought.

                    In civilian yes, they fought. White and Red fought for power. The Reds defeated and the war was over.
                    What does the Russian liberals of 90's have to do with Ukrainization of 90's? You have complete mess in your head. Would be a single country, I still understand that they could be blamed for this, and so they can only be blamed for the devastation of the 90's.

                    And despite the fact that Ukraine was not a subject of world politics. And in the 90 years, the struggle for the Ukrainian people and the country began. In Russia, the liberals thought that having bought the top they solved all the problems, and the Americans outbid, the people were treated with nationalism.
                    And all this took place in front of the liberals. As a result, the war in the Donbass, and the liberals are to blame.
                    When it was necessary to rise, you simply were silent, and now just remember.

                    And when did you need to get up? You probably both rose and still do not go down?
          3. Svarog
            Svarog 4 October 2019 09: 09
            +16
            Quote: Vladimir16
            The Communists came up with this shnyaga with the national republics.

            Thus, the Communists preserved the culture of these peoples and the only ones who managed to unite so many peoples in one state who lived happily together.
            Quote: Vladimir16
            So now Russians are at war with the Nazis as a result of these communist experiments.

            And now they are fighting, just because of the capitalist experiments that liberals of all stripes are putting on the population .. All wars because of power and money, under socialism, there was no sense in fighting the people, everyone lived the same way, at least there was no such stratification of society. And now they are trying to earn money on nationalistic feelings, because there is no morality under capitalism, just like the concept of conscience is forgotten. Capitalism - awakens the instinct of the beast in a person from here all the troubles.
        3. Alex Nevs
          Alex Nevs 4 October 2019 19: 13
          +1
          Do you propose to touch the dung to stink?
        4. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 5 October 2019 08: 41
          -1
          Quote: 210ox
          No, not Stalin. But the carelessness of the "maize grower" .. And in general the Banderaites must be physically destroyed.

          Countdown should start with Lenin ... ... Self-determination of nations and peoples. "In particular, Lenin supported the right of Ukrainians and Poles to create national states separate from Russia. Denial of this right, in Lenin's opinion, endangers national peace." ... And the rest of Comrade Stalin and Khrushchev aggravated .. ukrainization from the best intentions ... None of them knew that there would be such a gene. sec. The Central Committee of the CPSU Mishulya Gorbachev ... and citizen Eltsin ...
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      3. Yu-81
        Yu-81 4 October 2019 07: 16
        +11
        It can hardly be said that Joseph Vissarionovich was underworked somewhere. He just worked to the maximum.
        Any changing situation needs to be monitored constantly. And Ukrainian leaders were given freedom of action. As if to put an apple and not to touch, it will eventually rot.
        1. Vladimir16
          Vladimir16 4 October 2019 07: 42
          -10
          Quote: yu-xnumx
          It can hardly be said that Joseph Vissarionovich was underworked somewhere. He just worked to the maximum.

          Definitely.
          Look at the RSFSR to Stalin.


          Well, after "working out to the maximum" you all already know the borders of Russia.
          After the Georgian Khrushchov cut off the lamot of Russian lands.

          Civil war in Ukraine on their conscience.

          These are the impostors (communists) and squandered Mother Russia.
      4. boriz
        boriz 4 October 2019 13: 14
        +6
        . On February 17, 1919, the Defense Council of the RSFSR, under the leadership of Lenin, adopted the following decree: "Request Comrade Stalin to destroy the Krivdonbass through the Bureau of the Central Committee." This is the very transfer of Donbass to Ukraine. So not even Stalin, but Lenin.
        But you shouldn't blame them; they were hostages of the situation. There was a very tough struggle with Trotsky, then with other "revolutionaries". A powerful force was created for this struggle: the most powerful military district and the largest republican communist party. And everything is under the control of TT. Voroshilov and Budyonny and the 1st Cavalry Army. And when, when the enemies of the people were basically over, the Ukrainian party and apparatus mafia became dominant in the USSR. Stalin could not overcome it. More precisely, in a normal apparatus struggle, he won, but he was simply killed. In the top leadership of the country and the army, the ukromafia held out until the second half of the 70s. By that time, Ukraine had pumped more than enough resources from the USSR, and the ukromafia joined the forces that relied on the collapse of the USSR.
        1. Beringovsky
          Beringovsky 4 October 2019 16: 09
          -1
          "To ask Comrade Stalin through the Bureau of the Central Committee to carry out the destruction of Krivdonbass."

          It looks like a 100% fake concocted by some kind of illiterate bot.
          Destroy Krivdonbass ... through the Bureau fool
          Will you share a link to this "document"?
          1. boriz
            boriz 4 October 2019 16: 46
            +6
            Destruction does not mean physical. In the territory of present-day Ukraine, in addition to the UNR, there were also the Odessa Republic and the Kryvyi Rih-Donetsk Republic. How Odessa was liquidated, I don’t know how everything turned out quietly. But Krivdonbass was eliminated in that order. The Taganrog region was also included there, but her comrades from Rostov recaptured. And from Donbass, complaints from the people came to the Central Committee until August 1941. This is not a typo. The Germans were already approaching the territory, and the people still asked to withdraw them from Ukraine.
            As for the fake, just type this quote in the search engine and read on health. The literature on these events is plentiful, with links to paper sources. There are cards.
            1. Beringovsky
              Beringovsky 4 October 2019 21: 26
              0
              I searched for a very long time, but did not find links to the source. Some fleahera cite others, those on the first ... and all in a circle.
              If you know where to look, tell me.
              1. boriz
                boriz 4 October 2019 23: 48
                +1
                No, I have not seen a copy of this document. But that is not the point. And so it is clear that the initiative to include the DKR into Ukraine came from the Kremlin. Of the leadership of the DKR, only one person died in 1970. The rest were eliminated during the repressions, and Comrade Arkham, the Council of People's Commissars of the DKR, died under mysterious circumstances in 1921. https://history.wikireading.ru/256085 Read this work. Here all these twists and turns are described in great detail. Read on this issue is not bloggers, but serious work.
                And it’s so clear where the legs are coming from.
              2. boriz
                boriz 5 October 2019 00: 03
                +1
                "This time, unlike the situation in January 1918, the reaction of the central authorities of Bolshevik Russia followed immediately. On February 17, the Defense Council of the RSFSR, chaired by Lenin, adopted a laconic resolution on the fate of the Donetsk Republic:" To ask Comrade Stalin through the Bureau of the Central Committee to carry out the destruction of Krivdonbass "[ 1200] Stalin, as you know, never felt enthusiasm about the idea of ​​the existence of the DKR, declaring: “There will be no Donkrivbass and should not be, it is time to quit doing nonsense.” [1201] Therefore, he quickly and harshly, in his own style, executed this order is an event started by Artem and Mezhlauk, but did not take place at the indicated time. "
                Here is a quote from a paper book. https://history.wikireading.ru/256085 There is a link here, but when converted to electronic form, these numbers disappeared. And to raise this mountain of paper is neither desire nor opportunity. I just have no doubt that the document is in the archives. Its meaning coincides with the logic and sequence of events.
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    3. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 4 October 2019 06: 53
      +11
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      As they shot, they will shoot, as they killed, they will kill!

      How long will they hold out there if the regular units of the Ukrainian Armed Forces move away from the contact line? It seems to me that the belligerent rhetoric of the nationalist morons will end as soon as the regulars roll down the first tent. And they will rush to the rear "to the second line of defense" faster than a steam locomotive.
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 4 October 2019 08: 15
        +5
        Quote: Polite Moose
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        As they shot, they will shoot, as they killed, they will kill!

        How long will they hold out there if the regular units of the Ukrainian Armed Forces move away from the contact line? It seems to me that the belligerent rhetoric of the nationalist morons will end as soon as the regulars roll down the first tent. And they will rush to the rear "to the second line of defense" faster than a steam locomotive.

        Stop supplying ammunition and food. They will charge even faster, screaming "zrada!"
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 4 October 2019 10: 31
          +1
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          Quote: Polite Moose
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          As they shot, they will shoot, as they killed, they will kill!

          How long will they hold out there if the regular units of the Ukrainian Armed Forces move away from the contact line? It seems to me that the belligerent rhetoric of the nationalist morons will end as soon as the regulars roll down the first tent. And they will rush to the rear "to the second line of defense" faster than a steam locomotive.

          Stop supplying ammunition and food. They will charge even faster, screaming "zrada!"

          It will not be enough. After all, it's no secret to anyone who is behind these "radicals" and who controls them. It would be enough, at the level of some people in the US and the EU, to voice them by last name and to issue a warning that in the event of unrest organized by the forces of radicals, the financial accounts of their leaders will be frozen, and they themselves will be put on the wanted list by Interpol. that the "Schengen" closes for them, so they would leave their positions not only with the speed of a locomotive, but faster than hypersound. But apparently it is very beneficial for someone to have a destabilizing force in their pocket that can crush any peace initiative in the bud, so Ze has practically no real opportunities to influence this public, since in the case of a forceful option to "pacify" them, these same "uncles from overseas "they will make him restricted to travel abroad and shake hands and arrest his accounts. And who can he rely on, if over the past 25 years people have been selected to the power and security structures of Ukraine on the basis of loyalty to Bandera, Shukhevych, treachery and embezzlement. Therefore, there are no other options other than organizing a couple of three military strategic "boilers" and four "pots" in which the bulk of the fighting Nazis would be utilized.
          1. MBRSS
            MBRSS 5 October 2019 19: 07
            0
            It will not be enough.
            what have "uncles from across the ocean? Are they bringing the zhrachka to the front line?"
            1. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 6 October 2019 11: 51
              +1
              Quote: MBRBS
              It will not be enough.
              what have "uncles from across the ocean? Are they bringing the zhrachka to the front line?"

              And uncles from across the ocean, despite the fact that they are the organizers of all the negative processes taking place in Ukraine. If support ceases on their part, then the need to bring the pup to the front line will end.
      2. 4ybys
        4ybys 4 October 2019 08: 18
        +1
        Judging by the briefing by the press secretary of the Ministry of Defense, nobody is going to take anything away either, but they have already stocked up a whole bunch of excuses, like - if the shelling does not stop ... the gray zone will increase ..., local residents are afraid ... All of these excuses are sewn with white thread, but who in Ukraine cares about the real situation of the substance. The main thing is to blow your cheeks harder, and the herd will nod its heads.
    4. asv363
      asv363 4 October 2019 07: 05
      0
      I am sure that this can now be done. In any case, in the Donbass. Enter our troops as peacekeepers on the demarcation line, and if the Ukrainian authorities do not like it, then Kiev is 200 km from the border.
    5. g1v2
      g1v2 4 October 2019 13: 53
      +2
      Natsik is a secondary evil. As a rule, they are complementary to large local Ukrainian oligarchs. Who speak only Russian among themselves and the MOVs do not know and are not going to teach. Mova - for slaves. Someone heard that Kolomoisky or Akhmetov on the mov balak?
      The problem is not mov, but the state of Ukraine. Here it is necessary to end with it, and not with Natsik.
    6. Lelek
      Lelek 4 October 2019 18: 38
      +1
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      As they shot, they will shoot, as they killed, they will kill!

      hi
      And so it will be. Reason: 1) "Ze's formula" presupposes a breakdown of the "Steinmeier formula" and the "Minsk agreements; 2) the Foreign Ministry of Ruins, Pan Prystaiko issued" plan B "to the mountain in case the Kiev conditions are not accepted:

      So this nazbat did not reveal any secret of the "Kiev bourgeois" - this is the decision of the Verkhovna Rada and the hetman under pressure from the Nazis.
    7. greenegro
      greenegro 5 October 2019 09: 46
      0
      It's never too late..
    8. smart ass
      smart ass 5 October 2019 12: 43
      0
      Why didn’t you sign up as a volunteer to finish the Natsik?
    9. Chaldon48
      Chaldon48 6 October 2019 05: 34
      0
      Well, to shoot you need to have ammunition, if the government of Ze can block the prefix of ammunition and food, then the problem will be solved positively, only I doubt Zelensky’s ability to take such a decisive step.
  2. sergo1914
    sergo1914 4 October 2019 06: 24
    +2
    What interesting authors appeared on VO.
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 4 October 2019 06: 30
      +1
      I even received a "-" for criticism of such authorship a year ago
  3. Vadim T.
    Vadim T. 4 October 2019 06: 25
    +5
    Why wonder? Did this interview reveal America to anyone? The representative of the national battalion speaks directly about those things about which politicians speak in a veiled form. His position is just understandable: the war to a victorious end and to complete control of the rebellious republics. If the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Battles considered otherwise, then the guns would have been silent for a long time, and the Donbass problem had been solved by political methods. But, alas, the bonfire of war continues to burn ...
  4. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 4 October 2019 06: 26
    +4
    They want to legalize bandits there through elections.

    From a sick head to a healthy one.
  5. Magic archer
    Magic archer 4 October 2019 06: 44
    +4
    Zelensky turned out to be a mumble and a rag. If he had transplanted all the Maidan’s earhooks, then the fascists would have been afraid to raise their heads. And so ... Get Maidan 2.0
    1. Yarr_Arr
      Yarr_Arr 4 October 2019 07: 04
      +2
      But does Zelensky need it? belay
    2. RUSS
      RUSS 4 October 2019 07: 04
      -11
      Quote: Magic Archer
      Zelensky turned out to be a mumble and a rag.

      Zelenskiy is slowly but surely fulfilling his election promises, and Zelenskiy recently signed the "Stahnmeier plan", this is another step towards peace.
      Read less advice and watch propaganda.
      1. Magic archer
        Magic archer 4 October 2019 07: 12
        +1
        And who promised to plant !? What does propaganda have to do with it !? Nobody pulled his tongue. And now all his enemies in the person of the past power have raised their heads!
      2. monah
        monah 4 October 2019 12: 16
        0
        Quote: RUSS
        Quote: Magic Archer
        Zelensky turned out to be a mumble and a rag.

        Zelenskiy is slowly but surely fulfilling his election promises, and Zelenskiy recently signed the "Stahnmeier plan", this is another step towards peace.
        Read less advice and watch propaganda.

        In what you are right, fulfills! Especially when you consider that he did not promise anything intelligible, and that he blundered thoughtlessly, he refused immediately after the first round! Revised the language law? Kneel for peace?
      3. Kronos
        Kronos 4 October 2019 14: 42
        +1
        No, he doesn’t - he planted former parachabots in his chairs, scored on his promises to the electorate, but licks the parashenkivtsi
  6. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 4 October 2019 06: 46
    +7
    They (Bandera) live by it. Who needs them "in civilian life" - there is no money, no work, and for the majority of the population, you are not a hero, but a "frostbitten" with the psychology of Pithecanthropus ... So really "disposal" of these, with a tattoo on the brain, only she can stop war. But as? VNA is not capable of this, whoever is there as a pre-clown.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 4 October 2019 07: 19
      +4
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      with a tattoo on the brain

      This is what I wanted to emphasize: the tattoo is not on the arm, but on the formatted brains!
  7. YOUR
    YOUR 4 October 2019 06: 48
    -1
    Over the years, a lot of people have appeared who can not and can not do anything but to fight. They no longer imagine another life for themselves. I do not want to think about what will happen if they win and reach the borders with Russia.
    1. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 4 October 2019 07: 28
      +5
      Quote: YOUR
      Over the years, a lot of people have appeared who can not and can not do anything but to fight. They no longer imagine another life for themselves.

      Vladimir. hi
      In the context of this article, this part of your comment is not entirely correct (in my opinion). To fight and wreak havoc with weapons in hand are not the same thing. National Battalions in Donbass do not attack with shouts of "For the Motherland!" , do not conduct heavy and bloody defensive battles with superior enemy forces. But to press the peaceful - yes. But I would not call it an ability to fight.
      Quote: YOUR
      I do not want to think about what will happen if they win and reach the borders with Russia.

      I believe that it will be such that we do not even need aviation. hi
    2. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 4 October 2019 07: 31
      +10
      Every Natsik should have this photo, so that they know what awaits them!
    3. monah
      monah 4 October 2019 12: 24
      +3
      Quote: YOUR
      Over the years, a lot of people have appeared who can not and can not do anything but to fight. They no longer imagine another life for themselves. I do not want to think about what will happen if they win and reach the borders with Russia.

      I remember the "Galicia" already fought with the Soviet army, the result is known, all theirs "nachtigali" (and modern ones too) are sharpened only for punitive actions. Initially, the volunteers went to "order" to the Donbas too!
  8. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 4 October 2019 06: 54
    +8
    And how it all began miraculously, in 1992 ..., we are independent,
    And in 2004, we are one, we are invincible,
    And in 2014, we are EuropeEIC
    Ukraine honestly deserved its mess and collapse. Congratulations. God marks the assault.
  9. RUSS
    RUSS 4 October 2019 07: 00
    0
    Yesterday Putin said to you - "" We should not portray our closest neighbor and brotherly people in any unfavorable light. We can talk about the policy of the current authorities, but not about the country, not about the people, "the Russian leader said.
    And the article again is not enough that about Ukraine so again about the "Natsik".
    1. eagle owl
      eagle owl 4 October 2019 07: 14
      +3
      but not about the country, not about the people

      And Putin spoke about Ukraine - the country, and the people - Ukrainians. And here about typical zapadentsev:
    2. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 4 October 2019 07: 17
      +9
      Poor Ukrainians have come .. Politologist Pogrebinsky asks GDP not to make Ukrainians fools.
      People in pots on the Maidan, People galloping and screaming, Moskalyaku on gilyaku, People in tattoos with machine guns ...
      All these people are united by the one-citizenship of Ukraine.
      So who makes them fools? ..
  10. eagle owl
    eagle owl 4 October 2019 07: 07
    +9

    They want to legalize bandits there through elections.
    Let Lutsenko first run away from the court and catch the killer-Pashinsky with Vita Zavirukha (the latter, by the way, is exactly the same as banditry), and also tell you how many facts of looting were registered by the Ukrainian Armed Forces and why his natsibat was legalized.
    In general, they have in both governments - the accused has only one clown, it seems
  11. rocket757
    rocket757 4 October 2019 07: 43
    +1
    nationalist armed groups of Ukraine are not going to leave their positions at the contact line

    These have long been ps-ss .... jackals of war. live and feed with her.
    How to remake them? but try to make them at least just WORK?
  12. New Year day
    New Year day 4 October 2019 07: 48
    +3
    There are similar moods in Ukrainian society, therefore Zelensky made a video message from Ukrainians, where he clarifies the fallacy of this opinion. For many in Ukraine, “to whom war is, and to whom mother is dear.” It is difficult to make a machine gun and hand a shovel. Many are reluctant to work. “The rifle gives power” - Mao Jie Dong
  13. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 4 October 2019 08: 08
    +1
    The representative of the National Battalion spoke about the mood on the front line after the signing of the "Steinmeier formula" they are not going to move away from the contact line
    And who gives them cartridges of ammunition? Stop feeding them, in a week they’ll wash off the front, the war will end. Zelenka nods, and everything depends on him.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 4 October 2019 08: 51
      +1
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Stop feeding them, in a week they’ll wash off the front, the war will end.

      That's right, but the will of the president and the government is needed. An example of this is when, after the Second World War in the Baltic states, they "cut off oxygen" to bandit formations (forest brothers). All relatives and helping "forest brothers" were arrested, exiled to "places not so distant", then immediately the banditry stopped.
  14. 1skuns1
    1skuns1 4 October 2019 08: 33
    -7
    ... An irresistible desire to make money on a civil war (cheap manipulation) ... many of these guys are for the integrity of Ukraine ... we don’t want, for example, to give the smokers to the Japanese ........
    1. Glory1974
      Glory1974 4 October 2019 08: 42
      +7
      many of these guys are for the integrity of Ukraine.

      For some reason, they want a united Europe, where different people live and speak different languages. But at the same time, they prohibit speaking in different languages ​​in their country and they do not need people of other nationalities.
      With such a vision of the world, good luck cannot be seen.
    2. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 4 October 2019 10: 57
      +2
      Quote: 1skuns1
      many of these guys for the integrity of Ukraine ...

      laughing laughing laughing
  15. Graz
    Graz 4 October 2019 08: 34
    0
    if Zelensky wants to calmly remove the Natsik from there, it is enough to shut off their supply
    1. 1skuns1
      1skuns1 4 October 2019 08: 45
      0
      so then they’ll come to kuev ... with weapons, moreover
      1. Elephant
        Elephant 4 October 2019 11: 31
        0
        And if publicly put Potroshenko and his associates on an aspen stake, then these Natsiks will not come to Kuyev, but will hide in caches, and after that they will change the machine to a shovel. But all those ukro-fascists who committed specific crimes against the people cannot be forgiven, definitely at a expense!
    2. Jarserge
      Jarserge 4 October 2019 12: 35
      0
      Zelensky can and wants (but he doesn’t get paid for it), but he can’t be able to do this and there’s no power behind him .... So talk and only
  16. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 4 October 2019 08: 42
    0
    Ukrainian media publish interviews with representatives of nationalist armed groups who are conducting hostilities in the Donbass.
    The name is what "national military formations", and under what sauce they exist. If they are not part of the State Armed Forces of Ukraine, they are simply bandit formations and are subject to disarmament and disbandment, with justice. Until this happens, Ukraine will not end the civil war.
  17. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 4 October 2019 09: 01
    +3
    Today, every Ukrainian national swindler is eager to contribute their 5 kopecks to the discussion of this issue. They knock themselves on the chest, threaten their president, squeal about Russian aggression and the troops, and at the same time all as one want to prove that they are the true patriots and real "heroes". If we really met with the Russian troops, then this fuse would quickly disappear, But then the screams would be less and the Nazis thinned out to their surprise.
  18. Antares
    Antares 4 October 2019 09: 09
    -10
    as usual, without primary sources (referring to the Browser is not correct - there are constantly interviews with database participants)
    this is very bad for a serious resource. For the gag that the author gives out as news is not considered news in itself.
    There is an interview on the Browser
    https://www.obozrevatel.com/society/dikij-pro-veteranov-ato.htm
    ex-Aydar volunteer, Ukrainian biologist and expert of the Institute of International Center for Democracy Yevhen Dikiy.
    But in a completely different way everything is described there.
    But it is customary that the news about Ukraine in the Russian Federation is described in its own way.
    One of the representatives of the national battalions in an interview with the Ukrainian "Observer" spoke about the moods of the Ukrainian security forces (or rather, the militants)

    Aidar is a legal aircraft. (If in the Russian Federation something illegal, but the news is not about the Russian Federation, so the reference is fundamentally wrong)
    According to prepresentative of an illegal armed group, “The withdrawal of armed groups from ORDLO (separate regions of Donetsk and Lugansk regions — LPR and DPR) will not be carried out”
    .
    Once again - this is nonsense, a gag and in general an element of the information war of low bash.
    Go online and see what Aidar is.
    It is certainly not illegal. It has long been legal and part of the APU.
    If Ukraine itself is illegal in the Russian Federation and the APU is illegal - but these are the problems of the Russian Federation. (Similarly, Ukraine has its own problems for the Russian Federation itself), a purely internal information war.
    For a serious resource, such a presentation of information should be referred to the Opinion section.
    1. Dym71
      Dym71 4 October 2019 10: 24
      +2
      Quote: Antares
      Go online and see what Aidar is.

      I went in, looked:
      April 1, 2015 on the official website of the governor of the Luhansk region Gennady Moskal, a message appeared about the capture by the fighters of "Aydar" of the bakery of LLC "UkrVeresk" in s. Petrovka of the Stanichno-Lugansk region and their raising the price of bread while blocking the transport of bread from other areas. Despite the fact that the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine denied the involvement of the fighters of the Aidar battalion in this episode, the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine subsequently established by investigation the involvement of the Aidar’s in the seizure of the bakery, which entailed a shortage of bread, its sharp rise in price and social tension in Stanichno-Lugansk and neighboring areas.

      Quote: Antares
      It is certainly not illegal. It has long been legal and part of the APU.

      Bggg)))
      1. Umalta
        Umalta 5 October 2019 12: 37
        +1
        Absolutely violet, what kind of bandits are there, Bandera's power ranked as a VSU. We will catch and judge those whom we will not destroy in the process of capture.
    2. Looking for
      Looking for 6 October 2019 19: 36
      0
      Listen. Bandera. What are you doing on this site.?
  19. Evil echo
    Evil echo 4 October 2019 09: 39
    0
    And someone thought it would be different? To fulfill some intentions, not only will and desire are needed, but also opportunities.
    1. Umalta
      Umalta 5 October 2019 12: 32
      0
      Plenty of opportunities, no will.
  20. Jarserge
    Jarserge 4 October 2019 12: 34
    0
    National Battalions on the front line? !! Well, well .... "leaders" are still those.
  21. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 4 October 2019 12: 41
    0
    Quote: glory1974
    So now Russians are at war with the Nazis as a result of these communist experiments.

    Firstly, under the communists no one fought with each other.
    Secondly, in Ukraine, Russians are at war with Russians.
    Thirdly, if you do not like what the Communists did, do something your own. But besides ruining all the affairs of the Communists, there’s not enough mind for anything. So we have what we have.


    Here is how? But the Balts fought until 1973, the Bandera people still cut people in the Carpathians back in the 70s ... We had to evict them all to Svalbard forever and there would be no problems. And it was not necessary to produce all sorts of national republics. But what was in the head of the Georgian paranoid?
    1. nznz
      nznz 4 October 2019 16: 23
      0
      The Arctic does not need to be littered with garbage, and on our Spitz only 2 towns were Barentsburg and the Pyramid, they will run to the Norwegians and cottages immediately. to catch off the horns and to build-restore Donbass and Lugansk. As the Nazis did. Dissent in the mines, abandoned.
  22. Lohmatyi_imperator
    Lohmatyi_imperator 4 October 2019 12: 58
    +3
    Ukrainian media openly lie about shelling from the DLNR and the number of wounded and killed.
    While watching video stories about the confrontation in the Donbass (ICTV Facts), I have repeatedly noticed how the old traces of shelling (it is not known whose) show them as new ones. For example: -Here is the plot from Donbass 2019 https://youtu.be/BBCpt3twexs (2.45)
    And here is a story from the Donbass in 2018 https://youtu.be/XpkAvaMmCwU (0.40)
    As the saying goes, the scenery is old, and the play is new.
  23. Strag
    Strag 4 October 2019 13: 40
    +1
    bandits in 2014 captured Ukraine. from the Donbass people on the way blocked were not allowed on the Maidan to say not only your opinion is. Well, the people here opposed obey hostile organisms. when the police dubbed the catastrophe it was a disaster and when the tanks arrived here is it normal?
  24. tank64rus
    tank64rus 4 October 2019 15: 43
    +3
    This is not Steinmeier's formula, but Stalin's formula is necessary "The artillerymen Stalin gave the order ..."
  25. nznz
    nznz 4 October 2019 16: 21
    +2
    the root of this is in plain sight. Well, tell me, in what war is it so arranged that when you shoot at civilians you get combat and others like in full-length battles?
    This is criminal without conscience, killers and flayers will never refuse such earnings.
    While Zelensky does not figure out how to neutralize them, the war will not end. In order to figure out the riffraff, you need to incline the army unconditionally to your side. The internal army understands what kind of rabble in nat baht (now part of the Armed Forces of Ukraine), but propaganda made heroic heroes out of a shit. here's how to turn this flawed ideology into question. Will not be soon.
  26. Evgeny Ilchenko
    Evgeny Ilchenko 4 October 2019 20: 29
    0
    Tattoo in the form of an embroidered shirt. Strange guys.
  27. German Titov
    German Titov 4 October 2019 22: 38
    0
    So let them go, who wants to live. The rest - "we will love it as we wash it off." Temporarily occupied territories are the administrative boundaries of regions. "You haven't lived here, and you won't get accustomed," natsikuso vulgares.
  28. bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 5 October 2019 09: 27
    +1
    They just need to be cleaned!
  29. i.nigmatullin
    i.nigmatullin 5 October 2019 12: 08
    +2
    One thing is interesting to me in all this. Even if the Ukrainians (the Ukrainian Armed Forces, the National Battalionists and in general all those opposed to the peace agreements) believe that they were attacked by Russia and they are waging an unequal, fair and national liberation war with it, what many of them have in their heads when they think that it is necessary to lead it to victory? Until what victory and over whom? And do they really think of this victory as something real? As well as the alleged return of Crimea itself? The LPNR militias dipped into the boilers of their Armed Forces four years ago, which means that today they will not just be able to cope with LPNR. After all, the LDNR military only spent all these years in taverns, according to the incomprehensible logic of the Ukrainians, when their Armed Forces and the National Battalions "gained experience" and became "almost the most powerful army in Europe." Moreover, to this day, Putin has not withdrawn his warning against Ukraine about possible militant attacks. How and when do the Ukrainians themselves think to defeat the LPNR? Or do they themselves perfectly understand all this, but they have nowhere to go and have to really die for the shaken power of the West, killing themselves? Do they understand this? How many years do they intend to wage this futile and fratricidal war? Wars are when they end anyway. And do the Ukrainians understand that instead of making agreements and ending the war, putting forward more and more demands on the LPR that they basically cannot win (although judging by the nature of their demands, the LPR has already surrendered) not only kill themselves, not only give reasons to the Anglo-Saks drinking more and more champagne out of joy at the stupidity of the Russians, whom they managed to force to kill each other by logically explaining and convincing them of the correctness of these murders, but they look ridiculous. Although after thirteen thousand dead - this is laughter through tears. And the Anglo-Saxons are a balm for their age-old attempts to bend the Russians. About the rest of the small-grass Slavs, I just do not say anything ...
  30. Umalta
    Umalta 5 October 2019 12: 24
    +1
    In my opinion, Stalin said: - "If the enemy does not surrender, destroy him!"
  31. trahterist
    trahterist 5 October 2019 18: 21
    0
    There were no doubts before, and now even more so.
    These national battalions should only be physically eliminated, all to one, because the case there is running up to the terminal stage, alas.
  32. Yuri Mikhailovsky
    Yuri Mikhailovsky 5 October 2019 18: 45
    0
    Ukrainians will never go to the Mirss Republics.
  33. AKS-U
    AKS-U 5 October 2019 21: 00
    +1
    There is no point in discussing the lost. We gave it away, as we once gave Poland, Finland. It’s stupid to cry about a lost phone; it’s gone.
  34. Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 5 October 2019 21: 41
    +1
    ALL YOUR Ukraine is on the map of 1654, within the borders of which you came to Russia from Poland, and all the bandits in the Donbass serve in the Armed Forces of Ukraine (SBU) UNA-UNSO
  35. Looking for
    Looking for 6 October 2019 19: 19
    0
    Quote: boriz
    No, I have not seen a copy of this document.

    So what the hell are you tonguing for?