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Largest engine batch ordered for F-35

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The largest production contract in the United States stories engine batch programs for Lockheed Martin F-35 stealth fighters. The amounts specified in the contract give an idea of ​​the cost of the engine for the US Air Force.




Pratt & Whitney has received a $ 5,7 billion contract from the US Department of Defense for the 12th and 13th production runs of the F135 engine, the primary power plant for the F-35, a fifth-generation stealth fighter.

This contract is the largest single delivery in F135 production history. Under the agreement, the assembly of 332 engines was financed both for the US armed forces and for foreign customers. The contract includes program management, engineering and service support, as well as the adjustment of power plants.

- the company said in a statement. A simple calculation gives a figure of approximately 17,2 million per unit.



The deal includes options for the production of the 14th series of engines. Pratt & Whitney claims to have supplied more than 500 F135 powerplants that power all three F-35 variants.

The previous contract was concluded in June 2018 of the year. Then the company made a deal on engines for the 11-series stealth fighter. Then the production of F135 cost the US Armed Forces 2 billion dollars, and included 135 engines (14,8 million per engine).


Engine Option for F-35B


The F135 dual-circuit engine is based on the F119, designed for the first fifth-generation fighter, the F-22. Its maximum thrust in the normal and deck versions is 13000 kgf, on the afterburner - 19500 kgf. Compared to the previous engines of this company, it has improved characteristics of system checks and failure detection. It also has approximately 40 percent less detail. Engine maintenance is also simplified - all hot-swappable components can be removed and reinstalled with a set of just six tools. Also, its maintenance requires almost half less than human hours.

The difference in price may be due to different variations of one engine, supplied for different versions of the aircraft. Thus, the F135-PW-400 mounted on the deck F-35C is characterized by enhanced corrosion protection. And the F135-PW-600 powerplant for the F-35B is equipped with a rotary nozzle and a Rolls-Royce lift fan, as well as side nozzles for roll stabilization. All this affects the final cost.
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  1. Operator
    Operator 3 October 2019 14: 12
    +1
    From June 2018 to October 2019, the price of the engine increased by 14% - keep it up laughing
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 3 October 2019 14: 15
      -11
      Largest engine batch ordered for F-35

      And will this give him any chance before C-400? laughing
      1. Alexander Suvorov
        Alexander Suvorov 3 October 2019 14: 25
        -15
        And will this give him any chance in front of the S-400? laughing
        There and the F-22 have no chance what to say about this flying misunderstanding. He recently won over German civilian airfield radars ... belay
        1. Shurik70
          Shurik70 3 October 2019 15: 54
          +1
          What does the odds have to do with it?
          People make money. That's all. Well, do not send super-expensive toys to where they can be broken. They’ll send it easier. Impact drone, for example. And from cheap models. And F-35 can be later. Proudly and fearlessly over the places cleared of the enemy.
          Do you have any chances?
      2. Republican
        Republican 3 October 2019 14: 29
        +7
        I wonder what are the chances of the S-400 in front of the low-flying Tomahawk versions of Block4? I need to mention the range of this ax and how many Americans can buy them? Gloating won't help in the event of a ROSS war, you should know that.
        1. KCA
          KCA 3 October 2019 14: 44
          +15
          Rare Block4 will fly through EW, Thor, Carapace, Derivation, because you know that in the Russian troops the S-400 is not alone in the middle of the field, like Patriot, why ask nonsense?
          1. Elephant
            Elephant 3 October 2019 16: 34
            +3
            Quote: KCA
            Rare Block4 will fly through EW, Tor, Carapace ...

            And if not a "rare" ax flies?
            1. Voyager
              Voyager 3 October 2019 19: 12
              +2
              Reread the comment again, you do not understand it laughing
          2. mvg
            mvg 3 October 2019 17: 53
            -1
            They fly and don't blow. They bomb ... and spit on all tori, derivatives, shells and s-300/400. Did you know that at least one was shot down? But the targets have already been destroyed enough. Despite the presence of all of the above.
            1. KCA
              KCA 3 October 2019 18: 18
              +4
              Let the TU-95MS take off in Engels, immediately launch all of the X-101s in Israel, and then we will be surprised how it is, so many missiles flew in, so many objects were bombed, and the carrier of anti-aircraft missiles was not shot down
              1. mvg
                mvg 3 October 2019 19: 02
                +1
                immediately release all X-101 in Israel

                And what, do you think will fly? 3K km? wink Through NATO country Turkey? Without consequences? It’s ridiculous. Moreover, the flight will be high-altitude, they will raise planes, catch up with the 0,9M missiles and bring down.
                PS: And on the carrier, in response, World War III may fly. And the Jewish Jerechon-3 will participate.
        2. Beby
          Beby 3 October 2019 14: 52
          +7
          Quote: Republican
          I wonder what are the chances of the S-400 in front of the low-flying Tomahawk versions of Block4?
          No matter how strange it may seem, but the chances are good: the S-400 (in the maiden name of the S-300PM3) is an air defense system, therefore, when deployed, it is mandatory covered by the Carapace. Which task includes, among other things, the destruction of low-flying cruise missiles. The primary detection of such missiles will be made by the S-400 radar.
          1. NordOst16
            NordOst16 3 October 2019 15: 05
            0
            Will they find rockets at a distance of 30-35km? With a mass raid, it’s not a fact that everyone will be intercepted
            1. Beby
              Beby 3 October 2019 16: 00
              +7
              Unfortunately, I do not have a specific number for the detection range of such missiles, however, if you take your number, then 30 km for tomahawks will correspond to about 90 seconds, which, in my opinion, should be enough for the Shells to be fully prepared for destruction KP.
              Regarding the "mass raid": it just doesn’t happen - there is a certain preparation going on for it, which the intelligence must open. And there are also problems with launching a large number of missiles: either they need to be launched long and tediously from a small number of carriers (which is good for hiding preparations from reconnaissance); or, in fact, there is a short salvo from a large number of carriers - with this option, of course, it is harder to fight with air defense systems, however, it is much better opened by intelligence.
              Well and most importantly: do not forget that with a truly “mass raid”, air defense only buys the time needed for retaliation.
              1. mvg
                mvg 3 October 2019 18: 28
                +1
                And there are also problems with launching a large number of missiles: either they need to be launched for a long and tedious period from a small number of carriers

                Ohio, xnumx ax. Enough? Chikenderoga, 154 cells, Burke, 122 cells ... How much do you need? And if several carriers? Yes from different angles?
                PS: The shells have already shown how they shoot down .. attacks from 5-7 cruise missiles ... with a percentage of about 19%, if there are more targets, will it become easier for the shells? And this is without enemy EW and suppression.
                PS: Something our "intelligence" is blinking while the attacks of the Jews.
                1. Herman 4223
                  Herman 4223 3 October 2019 19: 58
                  +3
                  What are you all about the Jews, what are they shooting at us? Or are we trying to fight them off? We protect Syria from terrorists, and not from neighboring states. The fact that Syria cannot fight back is another question.
                  1. mvg
                    mvg 3 October 2019 20: 52
                    +2
                    We protect Syria from terrorists

                    Don't make it up ... you're not on the podium. What, nafik, terrorists? They do not exist, they are fantastic. We protect our money. I was driving - this Syria would have darted for us, if not for oil and money. Well, a little geopolitics. And the fact that our allies are regularly bombed (with impunity) under their noses is, of course, so "WAS CONSIDERED" and "FSE UNDER CONTROL"
                    1. Herman 4223
                      Herman 4223 4 October 2019 07: 27
                      -1
                      Of course the main reason is the loot, but it is behind the scenes. Syria is not our ally; we do not have an alliance treaty. We got into it under the pretext of the fight against terrorism and we are only concerned with this. As a bonus, the regime controlled by us is kept in power, but we are not trying to protect it from neighboring states. Because not an ally!
                  2. Antipatr
                    Antipatr 4 October 2019 06: 47
                    +2
                    "We" protect Europe from Qatari gas there.
                2. Tommy
                  Tommy 2 November 2019 13: 47
                  +4
                  mvg (Maxim), do not write Internet tales. The probability is much higher ... Learn materiel, if you do not understand!
                  1. mvg
                    mvg 2 November 2019 13: 53
                    -4
                    internet tales

                    What are the stories. Climbed for oil and further recovery. If the Assad regime holds. We do not need Qatari gas in Europe, and we need a friendly regime in BV.
                    PS: Well, the fact that the bearded bomb is better there than at home.
                  2. Tommy
                    Tommy 2 November 2019 14: 05
                    +3
                    I wrote about the Shell, just a system on the VO does not allow in a certain order to put my objection under your statement.
            2. Piramidon
              Piramidon 3 October 2019 17: 31
              0
              Quote: NordOst16
              Will they find rockets at a distance of 30-35km? With a mass raid, it’s not a fact that everyone will be intercepted

              Will the axes fly freely over our territory or in interplanetary space up to a distance of 30-35 km from the target?
              1. NordOst16
                NordOst16 3 October 2019 23: 28
                -1
                Well, if we have the entire coast covered with radars at a distance of 80-100km, then no, but it is unlikely that we have such a radar cover.
            3. Herman 4223
              Herman 4223 3 October 2019 19: 52
              +1
              Well, if a hundred missiles fly into one division, a certain amount can and will fly. But the volley will be expensive, and the goals to which they can reach can be inflatable.
              1. NordOst16
                NordOst16 3 October 2019 23: 29
                +1
                The division is also not cheap and the objects that it covers are also not made of straw.
                1. Herman 4223
                  Herman 4223 4 October 2019 08: 34
                  0
                  There is no arguing that the best defense is an attack. If a ship comes to you with hundreds of tomahawks on board, it needs to be drowned, a plane is flying, it must be shot down and still better at the airport. Then there will be no impact of great strength.
                  1. NordOst16
                    NordOst16 4 October 2019 10: 37
                    +1
                    Yes, but for this we need a fleet that can be deployed in the ocean at distant frontiers in order to meet rocket carriers still on the way. And for this, the fleet must have a sufficient number of destroyers or cruisers, aircraft carriers and apl. It is also not bad to have a powerful marine missile-carrying aviation so that, with its help, you can quickly increase the density of a missile salvo in the right direction.
                    And for the destruction of enemy aircraft on ground bridgeheads, you need to have a sufficient number of your own strike aircraft and missile systems.
                    All this costs fabulous money and to ensure security we need an extremely strong economy, which we cannot boast of, I hope so far (((
        3. Alexey-74
          Alexey-74 3 October 2019 16: 03
          +8
          And what are the chances for the Patriot (which have already been done in Saudi Arabia) for the TAAD in front of the low-flying Caliber or the X-101 ???? Why these comparisons ...
          1. NordOst16
            NordOst16 3 October 2019 23: 30
            -1
            Well, our Armor, too, was dressed up in due time. They have no more chances than we do, but there is only one thing, but they have "just a little more" carriers than we do.
      3. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 3 October 2019 14: 49
        +10
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Largest engine batch ordered for F-35

        And will this give him any chance before C-400? laughing

        I dont know. I do not know at what distance and at what altitude the C-400 detects an aircraft with EPR = 0.01. I also do not know how far the VP missiles fly from internal compartments. I don’t even know how much F-35 the enemy will be able to concentrate to attack the object or defense sector that will cover the C-400 division, which will be covered by the Buk-3M division, which will be covered by the Torov division, and even so sick I can not know how many and which false targets and OTR will be issued in the direction of the positions of anti-aircraft divisions, which would force to reveal positions. There are so many unknowns.
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 3 October 2019 15: 23
          -6
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          I dont know. I do not know at what distance and at what altitude the S-400 detects aircraft with an ESR = 0.01. I also do not know how far the VP missiles fly from internal compartments. I don’t even know how much the F-35 can concentrate the enemy to attack an object or defense site.

          But I know how many of you, exiled by God, are present here on the site ...
          If you don’t know, sit and don’t ... Your "Leaky Dome" can overcome even self-made rockets ...
          By the way, in Russian there is such a letter "b" ...
          1. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 3 October 2019 15: 28
            +3
            Quote: ROSS 42

            But I know how many of you, exiled by God, are present here on the site ...
            If you don’t know, sit and don’t ... Your "Leaky Dome" can overcome even self-made rockets ...
            By the way, in Russian there is such a letter "b" ...

            I'm happy for you.
            1. Ross xnumx
              Ross xnumx 3 October 2019 15: 30
              0
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              I'm happy for you.

              To you, to increase the storage of knowledge:
              Most of the authors of publications on stealth aircraft are directly related to their development, therefore, the data given in the table are obviously based on similar publications, and therefore are not entirely objective. There are practically no independent studies on the stealth of specific aircraft. Only F-117 flights in Iraq and Yugoslavia enabled our military specialists to assess the effect of the "new" technologies of the Americans. And according to the estimates of Russian military experts, modern technologies created under the Stealth program can reduce the effective scattering area (EPR) of aircraft by up to 70 percent compared to aircraft of traditional schemes. In this case, the detection range of such an inconspicuous aircraft will be reduced by only a third, since the detection range is proportional to the fourth root of the RCS value. Western experts, however, speak of almost a thousandfold (!) Decrease in EPR. Very impressive. However, in terms of the detection distance, this means its reduction by about 5,6 times. So, if an ordinary aircraft was detected by the radar at a distance of 300 km, then on the same radar the same "invisible" from the "stealth" will be quite visible at a distance of 54 km. This is not so impressive, but still quite significant.
            2. Kontrik
              Kontrik 3 October 2019 17: 53
              -2
              Quote: Aaron Zawi
              Quote: ROSS 42

              But I know how many of you, exiled by God, are present here on the site ...
              If you don’t know, sit and don’t ... Your "Leaky Dome" can overcome even self-made rockets ...
              By the way, in Russian there is such a letter "b" ...

              I'm happy for you.

              Aaron you have some signal there ..? I was always surprised how quickly you appear on the site in case of a "tricky discussion" hehe
          2. Vol4ara
            Vol4ara 3 October 2019 15: 30
            +6
            Quote: ROSS 42
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            I dont know. I do not know at what distance and at what altitude the S-400 detects aircraft with an ESR = 0.01. I also do not know how far the VP missiles fly from internal compartments. I don’t even know how much the F-35 can concentrate the enemy to attack an object or defense site.

            But I know how many of you, exiled by God, are present here on the site ...
            If you don’t know, sit and don’t ... Your "Leaky Dome" can overcome even self-made rockets ...
            By the way, in Russian there is such a letter "b" ...

            The whole problem is that they don’t know and therefore are silent, and we don’t know and scream in all the gateways how we will defeat all, their minority, but they are more reasonable than most
          3. NordOst16
            NordOst16 3 October 2019 23: 31
            -2
            And invincible shells make homemade drones bypass.
        2. Skubudu
          Skubudu 3 October 2019 16: 21
          0
          Your comma is not there.
          0.1
    2. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 3 October 2019 14: 52
      -2
      Quote: Operator
      keep it up

      Everyone holds what has fellow
    3. Keyser soze
      Keyser soze 3 October 2019 16: 19
      +1
      From June 2018 to October 2019, the price of the engine increased by 14% - keep it laughing


      Well, okay. Is it necessary that everything costs a penny? There, one engineer receives a salary from space ....
      1. Okolotochny
        Okolotochny 3 October 2019 17: 24
        +2
        The question is different. How much is official inflation in the US? And why, then, did the price, the base, rise so much? Similar facts for Russian production and caustic comments are gaining a bunch of pluses. And here where are homegrown raykins?
        1. Keyser soze
          Keyser soze 3 October 2019 18: 30
          -2
          How much is official inflation in the US? And why, then, did the price, the base, rise so much?


          Well, the economist can see many other components - R&D, new machines, factories, expansion of production, etc. I don't know why they gave you disadvantages. But .... in fact, in my country there are also anxieties and a desire for everything to be cheap. This is bad. Everything must be expensive. This means that the economy is competitive and can sell dearly, pay huge salaries, and the like.
          1. Okolotochny
            Okolotochny 3 October 2019 22: 36
            -1
            You simplify everything to the level of black and white. The economy has its own clear and life-written laws. New machines - the project was worked out a long time ago, several hundred units of products were produced, products should be cheaper due to the shaft. The only rationale is the rate of inflation. In the US, it is less than 1 percent in my opinion per year. Where did the remaining 13% of the margin come from? Loans? Suppose the engines were assembled at a new plant built on credit. What is the loan interest in the USA? 2 or 3. The remaining 10 come from. When everything is very expensive from year to year, you will get hyper inflation and everything connected with it.
            1. Town Hall
              Town Hall 3 October 2019 22: 46
              +1
              Quote: Okolotochny
              You simplify everything to black and white

              And you complicate to poly-buccy and produce theory. In reality, everything is simple. There is an engine for the f-35 A, which costs about 13 lyam. And there is for the f-35 V, which costs 19. Here is a proportion of how many engines of these 500 are model A and how much to model B and the average price is added. The average temperature in the hospital. In the previous contract, the ratio was different, therefore the difference in the average price
              1. Okolotochny
                Okolotochny 3 October 2019 22: 49
                +1
                So you also have Theory. You yourself do not know for sure, but write. Did I say anything? I just expanded the question of another camarade - where does such a price increase come from? You respond with OBS information. Tired of letters? So do not read or write.
                1. Town Hall
                  Town Hall 3 October 2019 22: 53
                  +1
                  You would instead of stupid cons and even stupid theories read an article or something. Everything is clearly written there. For reasonable people, naturally.

                  The difference in price may be due to different variations of one engine, supplied for different versions of the aircraft. So, F135-PW-400 mounted on deck F-35C, has enhanced anti-corrosion protection. And the power plant F135-PW-600 for the F-35B is equipped with a rotary nozzle and a lifting fan manufactured by Rolls-Royce, as well as side nozzles for roll stabilization. All this affects the final cost.
                  1. Okolotochny
                    Okolotochny 3 October 2019 23: 05
                    -1
                    Do you understand economics, what are you talking about stupidity? I don’t think so. Have you carefully read (reasonable ???)? May be. Hali Likwi is different. Or maybe not. For all, Maybe, but for you (smart ???) without can. Are you saying that this is so ??? Reasons ??? And he didn’t write to you, they would have passed the post, it would have been better.
        2. Antipatr
          Antipatr 4 October 2019 07: 00
          0
          They wrote to you in Russian - the engines are different.
    4. Kontrik
      Kontrik 3 October 2019 17: 50
      -1
      Quote: Operator
      From June 2018 to October 2019, the price of the engine increased by 14% - keep it up laughing

      Until the dollar collapses completely, the USA makes the maximum orders .. heh heh There will be nothing to pay off creditors (Japan, China, Korea, etc.) .. The only chance to arrange a small victorious war, but Russia will not allow it .. Let them pay bastards! Russia has US treasury bonds in history now at a minimum and continues to decline .. Keep it up!
  2. Republican
    Republican 3 October 2019 14: 31
    -1
    The F135 has a funny story, and the funny thing is that he has been flying for many years. Somewhere, the news was slipping that Lockheed was going to upgrade it. In any case, it will be forced in 5-7 years for sure!
  3. d.olegov44
    d.olegov44 3 October 2019 14: 42
    0
    Quote: Republican
    The F135 has a funny story, and the funny thing is that he has been flying for many years. Somewhere, the news was slipping that Lockheed was going to upgrade it. In any case, it will be forced in 5-7 years for sure!

    It will be stewed by vassals, the same Vietnam.
  4. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 3 October 2019 15: 17
    +2
    In 2019, 130 planes are scheduled to be launched from a Texas plant. The 500th (in total) will approximately fall in the spring of 2020.
    Block 4 (a new modification of the aircraft) will go into production from 2022. In it, the engine capacity will be 10% more.
    ---
    Engine price for "A" - 13.5 million.
    For "B" - 19 million.
    1. yaros
      yaros 3 October 2019 15: 30
      +2
      According to amers, about 60% of the first issues of 35x are fun because of the lack of spare parts and fatal problems .... so immediately divide your 500 by 3 ... Americans generally complain that they do not have money for maintenance and repair .. .. Buy no longer for your money, but for parts and maintenance you have to pay))
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 3 October 2019 15: 39
        0
        The first releases need to tighten the software upgrade.
        This is the main "spare part". laughing The upgrade itself is simple, but the checks after it are dreary.
        But there are no checks - the plane can actually fly, but it has no right.
        These are all problems from the "rich cry too" series.
        1. yaros
          yaros 3 October 2019 15: 50
          +4
          Come on tell tales https://www.defensenews.com/air/2019/06/12/the-pentagon-is-battling-the-clock-to-fix-serious-unreported-f-35-problems/ Here you are vskidku, and it's not about software but constructive miscalculations,))
          “F-35B and F-35C pilots forced to abide by speed limits to avoid damage to the F-35 airframe or hidden cover. Pressure spikes in the cockpit that cause excruciating ear and sinus pain. Helmet display problems and night vision cameras that make it difficult for the F-35C to land on an aircraft carrier. " And that's not the biggest problem ...
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 3 October 2019 15: 55
            +6
            I understand that having three Su-57s and two MiG-35s on hand is a great consolation to consider missing parts for 450 F-35s.
            Everything will work out, buddy. drinks
            1. yaros
              yaros 3 October 2019 16: 06
              +1
              Of course it’s going to work out .... read the Amer’s press moans about these spare parts and their cost, and most importantly, the poor logistics of supply, I think the Germans are no more stupid than the Jews that they refused to buy raw unfinished planes, and spend a lot of money on their modernization ... .It was necessary to specially come up with this program in order to tear the West quietly .... but the printing press is not eternal ..)) So as a taxpayer you have to strain on this stupidity ...
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 3 October 2019 16: 11
                -1
                "I think the Germans are no more stupid than the Evpeys that they refused to buy raw unfinished aircraft," ///
                ----
                The German Air Force pilots just wanted it very much (they are no more stupid than the Jews).
                Air Force Commander Merkel immediately fired when he publicly announced that he urgently needed to buy the F-35.
                But then the production of the obsolete Typhoon Eurofighter will cease. And these are thousands of jobs in Germany. Several plants will close.
                1. yaros
                  yaros 3 October 2019 16: 40
                  +2
                  Blessed are those who believe ... but there is a proverb, "free cheese is only in a mousetrap" .... you are tortured to pay for maintenance and upgrades .... but don't be ridiculous for invisibility ...
                  1. Elephant
                    Elephant 3 October 2019 17: 59
                    +1
                    You can pay well for a good unit; saving is inappropriate here.
                    1. yaros
                      yaros 3 October 2019 18: 07
                      +1
                      good))) Gentlemen, the Jews think twice, if you quarrel with the amers, this technique will not work, all the software is tied to America, you just turn it off ...))
                  2. Vitaly gusin
                    Vitaly gusin 3 October 2019 19: 48
                    -1
                    Quote: yaros
                    tormented to pay for maintenance and upgrades .... but for invisibility do not tell ...

                    It is necessary to read more, not MIX.
                    "Top Israeli officials also say it will leave the country only for combat missions — all maintenance will be done in country, rather than in predetermined regional overhaul facilities."
                    "Senior Israeli officials also state, that they will leave (planes) the country only for combat missions - all maintenance work will be carried out in the country, not at predetermined regional overhaul sites. "
                    During the war, when sea and air routes are blocked, Israel cannot be left without a repair base and spare parts.
                    And this was taught by the "Yom Kippur War", after a few days of hostilities, Israel did not have enough weapons and spare parts, all requests to the US government remained unanswered.
                    And at a critical moment, when there were several days left until the complete destruction of Israel, Golda Meer sent a letter to Bush that if weapons and spare parts did not arrive in the near future, Israel would launch a nuclear strike on Egypt and Syria,
                    Bush asked to abstain because armament has already been sent.
                    And how it ended you know.
                    Since then, they have entered into an arms supply agreement with a service base and spare parts on-site in Israel.
            2. Eduard Egorov
              Eduard Egorov 3 October 2019 21: 45
              +1
              And why is Su 57 and MiG 35 when this trough can be shot down by old Su 27 and MiG 29,
        2. Kontrik
          Kontrik 3 October 2019 18: 06
          -1
          Quote: voyaka uh
          The first releases need to tighten the software upgrade.
          This is the main "spare part". laughing The upgrade itself is simple, but the checks after it are dreary.
          But there are no checks - the plane can actually fly, but it has no right.
          These are all problems from the "rich cry too" series.

          Naturally. This development "took over Israel" ..? )))
          Likely they will sell the F-35 to many NATO vassals .. And then during the flight, the signal "update the software, otherwise the account number in Tel Aviv .."
          Great layout ... negative I always didn’t trust Israeli weapons and technology .. you are sly! (judging by the 90th, etc.)
    2. missuris
      missuris 3 October 2019 23: 21
      +1
      they are expensive engines, what are they made of?
      1. Arturov
        Arturov 4 October 2019 00: 45
        -3
        Quote: missuris
        they are expensive engines, what are they made of?

        Well, try to make your own with the same resource and traction, and see how much they will cost.
  5. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 3 October 2019 15: 43
    +1
    Well done you will not say anything. And planes are stamped for themselves like pies and sold for export, they crushed all allies and subjugated whom they intimidated, whom they bought, and who did not have to be persuaded.

    It is a fact that F-35 is produced in hundreds, and even in a shipable and VTOL variant.

    Mass cheapens production.

    They are preparing for war, and against us. Japan has also been pumped up with money, technology and weapons for 70 years.

    They are waiting to strike at the most inopportune moment for us.

    But we are not the same, we are strengthening the army and navy. The main thing is at least to maintain pace in the economy and in the military-industrial complex.

    I would also like to accelerate in many directions, but let's be objective, our country's resources are not enough for a symmetrical answer, we need a different approach.

    But somewhere, of course, we will accelerate, fill our hands on the construction of ships and with the renewal of the fleet, everything will go better with us, with air defense we are already doing well, we are also improving the situation with aviation.

    Our strategy is defense at sea and on land. We need to expand economic and military cooperation with other countries.

    Keep in touch, improve the service of the equipment that was sold.

    We don’t need as many planes and ships as the United States and NATO do, but we need to have enough of them so that they don’t snoop on us and to distribute people to everyone whom the West is inciting us, be it Georgia or Japan or ISIS.

    In another way.
  6. Andrey83
    Andrey83 3 October 2019 16: 46
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    In the contract for 76 su57, the cost of the aircraft amounted to 34.5 ml of dolors in recalculation.
    And does one engine on f35 cost 17,2 ml?
    T. Ye. T. K 57 put on the su2 engine, then ... The rest of the plane for free? Or is the engine much better on the f35?
    1. Elephant
      Elephant 3 October 2019 18: 05
      +2
      They just have more money. In addition, no one has canceled the subsidization of highly efficient industries (such as Lockheed, Boeing). If it would be unprofitable and very expensive for the money, then they would not rivet 35 hundred pieces.
      1. missuris
        missuris 3 October 2019 23: 25
        +2
        for sure) the same f22 for 146-380 million dollars, even the states came out very expensive, and f35 cheaper than 2+
    2. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 3 October 2019 20: 57
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      The cost of production is different, the salaries are incomparable, that's the difference.
      1. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 5 October 2019 03: 29
        +1
        The cost of production is different, the salaries are incomparable, that's the difference.


        What do you think that the salary of the staff who collects it is of great importance in the cost of a modern fighter?

        No, salary is a minuscule in the cost of the aircraft, but the share of profit from each unit that goes to the company is a significant thing.

        By the way, in the USA, part of this profit also goes to shareholders, including ordinary citizens of the USA and other countries who bought shares of Lockheed Martin or Boeing or other companies on the exchange through a broker.
        1. Herman 4223
          Herman 4223 5 October 2019 12: 01
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          And you represent production only in the form of an assembly? The airplane has thousands of large and small parts that go through a complex phased manufacturing process before they get to the assembly line, where various components and assemblies are first made from them, only then the final assembly of the machine begins. Cost of materials, manufacturing cost at each production stage, in as a result, it translates into a rather sickly budget and is not a small part of the cost of the finished product.
    3. Arturov
      Arturov 4 October 2019 00: 48
      -1
      Quote: Andrey83
      In the contract for 76 su57, the cost of the aircraft amounted to 34.5 ml of dolors in recalculation.

      hard to believe, because these data can not be trusted because of the secret items of expenses, and in fact state enterprises that do not report on expenses, as it were at all, are in the public domain so accurately.
  7. Shahno
    Shahno 3 October 2019 17: 55
    -1
    Quote: mvg
    They fly and don't blow. They bomb ... and spit on all tori, derivatives, shells and s-300/400. Did you know that at least one was shot down? But the targets have already been destroyed enough. Despite the presence of all of the above.

    Yes. Rumor has it these same, well, the "penguins" on the Iraqi border dived well.
    Either the air defense is not that, or the Saudi syndrome is more serious than we think ...
  8. Shahno
    Shahno 3 October 2019 18: 06
    -1
    Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
    Well done you will not say anything. And planes are stamped for themselves like pies and sold for export, they crushed all allies and subjugated whom they intimidated, whom they bought, and who did not have to be persuaded.

    It is a fact that F-35 is produced in hundreds, and even in a shipable and VTOL variant.

    Mass cheapens production.

    They are preparing for war, and against us. Japan has also been pumped up with money, technology and weapons for 70 years.

    They are waiting to strike at the most inopportune moment for us.

    But we are not the same, we are strengthening the army and navy. The main thing is at least to maintain pace in the economy and in the military-industrial complex.

    I would also like to accelerate in many directions, but let's be objective, our country's resources are not enough for a symmetrical answer, we need a different approach.

    But somewhere, of course, we will accelerate, fill our hands on the construction of ships and with the renewal of the fleet, everything will go better with us, with air defense we are already doing well, we are also improving the situation with aviation.

    Our strategy is defense at sea and on land. We need to expand economic and military cooperation with other countries.

    Keep in touch, improve the service of the equipment that was sold.

    We don’t need as many planes and ships as the United States and NATO do, but we need to have enough of them so that they don’t snoop on us and to distribute people to everyone whom the West is inciting us, be it Georgia or Japan or ISIS.

    In another way.

    Well, there is nothing new. Crush by quantity and technology. Reload channels. Hit the radar.
    PS. Our school. laughing The question is how to get around this.
    1. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 3 October 2019 21: 04
      -1
      There is no reception against scrap if there is no other scrap.
  9. vitvit123
    vitvit123 3 October 2019 18: 32
    +1
    Quote: voyaka uh
    I understand that having three Su-57s and two MiG-35s on hand is a great consolation to consider missing parts for 450 F-35s.
    Everything will work out, buddy. drinks

    Yeah ..... classic ....
    And what does su57 have to do with it, a moment or a moon rover? It's not about that .. well, and if we jump off on the topic of our airplanes, then we still have su35 [for some reason there wasn’t any place for him in your comment], which we still have. By the way, with regard to Amer’s aircraft ...
    Well, about su57, a moment, then we are working. " Everything is for you " ...
  10. parkello
    parkello 3 October 2019 18: 45
    0
    a good motor ... that's why they buy it. the best thing on this plane.
  11. Lexxtech
    Lexxtech 3 October 2019 20: 33
    +1
    Well, how did they push this fucking thing into him?
  12. Karaul14
    Karaul14 3 October 2019 21: 50
    0
    In all seriousness, they intend to make the 2700 F-35, given the pace it all goes, a year ago they reported that the 500th fuselage was assembled, so a huge batch of engines is not really news.