Who and why they hung in the Soviet Union

Before the introduction of a moratorium on the death penalty in our country, the death penalty was carried out by execution. But on August 1 of 1946 in Moscow, the former commander of the Russian Liberation Army “traitor No. 1” Andrei Vlasov and a group of his associates were hanged. And this was far from the only execution in the form of hanging.




The death penalty in the Soviet Union


Unlike so many other states, the USSR has never been very diverse in the choice of the form of the death penalty. Neither the electric chair, as in the United States, nor the hanging, as in many European countries of that time, nor the chopping off of the head, as in the Middle East, were practiced in the USSR.

As you know, on 28 of October 1917 of the II Congress of Soviets abolished the death penalty in Soviet Russia, but already on 5 of September 1918 of the year the death penalty was restored in the country, which was explained by the need to impose capital punishment in respect of counter-revolutionary elements and bandits. Nevertheless, attempts to limit capital punishment were made almost throughout the Soviet stories. On July 27 1922, the death penalty was prohibited for people under 18 and pregnant women.

In the vast majority of cases, the death penalty in the Soviet Union was carried out by means of execution. The sentence was carried out first by security units, then by individual performers. In this, the Soviet capital punishment differed from pre-revolutionary Russia, in which they not only shot (mainly military personnel), but also hanged them.

However, when in the summer of 1918 in the Penza province a peasant uprising broke out against the Soviet regime, Vladimir Ilyich Lenin personally sent a telegram to the Penza Bolsheviks, in which he demanded to hang 100 fists and "bloodsuckers", focusing precisely on hanging, as the people should see the hanged enemies. However, the main instigators of the uprising were shot.

In Stalin's time, including during the purges of the mid-second half of the 1930's, death sentences were also carried out by execution. They were shot at special training grounds and in the prisons themselves. The killings of prisoners by other means were extrajudicial in all cases.

Why did the hangings return during the war years


The Great Patriotic War made adjustments to capital punishment. By the way, shortly after the victory over Nazi Germany, in 1947, the Decree of the Presidium of the USSR Supreme Soviet from 26.05.1947 “On the abolition of the death penalty" was issued, according to which capital punishment should no longer be applied in peacetime.

However, in January of the 1950 of the year “at the request of the workers” the execution was returned for traitors, spies and saboteurs, and in the Criminal Code of the RSFSR of the 1960 of the year the death penalty was provided for a very impressive list of crimes - from treason to the motherland to rape with especially grave consequences. They also continued to execute the method of execution, but in a short period of time - from 1943 to 1947 years - such a penalty as hanging was actively used.

In the spring of 1943 of the year, Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR No. 39 of 19 of April 1943 of the year “On punitive measures for Nazi villains guilty of murders and tortures of the Soviet civilian population and captured Red Army soldiers, for spies, traitors from among Soviet citizens and for them accomplices. " Just at that time, the Soviet state security bodies already possessed comprehensive information about the atrocities of the Nazi invaders and their accomplices in the occupied territories.

In paragraph 1 of the decree for German, Italian, Romanian, Hungarian, Finnish "fascist villains" who were convicted of murders and tortures of the civilian population and captured Red Army soldiers, as well as for spies and traitors from among Soviet citizens, the death penalty was established by hanging. Thus, the decree of April 19 of the 1943 of the year was unique, since hanging in the Soviet Union had never been used as a capital punishment before.

The Soviet leadership decided to apply the hanging against Hitler's executioners and their minions, guided by the need to show the people the inevitability and severity of punishment for war crimes. The execution looked like a more humane measure of punishment, and in case of hanging the execution was carried out publicly and the hanged criminals for some time hung on to the joy of the Soviet people and intimidation to other executioners and traitors of the Soviet people.

But in practice, hanging was also used by military courts at the front against captured Hitler punishers and policemen. For example, from 15 to 18 of December 1943 of the year, a military tribunal of the 4-th Ukrainian front was tried on a Gestapo employee and a traitor from among the citizens of the USSR. Both defendants were sentenced to death by hanging and hanged.

Who and why they hung in the Soviet Union


The first process against traitors


14 — 17 On July 1943 in Krasnodar, by this time freed from the Nazi invaders, the first trial of a group of traitors who collaborated with the Nazis and were responsible for the massacres of Soviet citizens — civilians and Red Army soldiers — took place.

11 arrested traitors who served in the SS-10-A Sonderkommand and the Krasnodar police appeared before the tribunal. Paramonov, Tuchkov and Pavlov received 20 years of hard labor, and Tischenko, Rechkalov, Pushkarev, Naptsok, Misan, Kotomtsev, Kladov, Lastovina were sentenced to death by hanging and 18 on July 1943 of the year XN hours were hanged in the central square of Krasnodar.

About 50 thousand people attended the execution of police officers from the Sonderkommando. This was perhaps the first such large public execution of traitors during the war years. Then, similar processes involving the public hanging of war criminals took place in a number of other cities of the Soviet Union - in Kiev, Nikolaev, Leningrad.

Vlasovites, Krasnivtsi and Semenovtsi


A number of prominent traitors to the motherland and white emigrants who collaborated with Nazi Germany and imperialist Japan were sentenced to death by hanging.

On May 12 on May 1945, former Soviet General Andrei Vlasov, commander of the Russian Liberation Army, was detained by Soviet troops on German territory. Soon his other prominent comrades-in-arms of the ROA were arrested.



The trial of Vlasov and the “Vlasovites” took place on July 30-31 on July 1946. It was of a closed nature, although usually the Nazis and traitors "for edification" were tried and executed publicly. But in the case of the Vlasovites, the Soviet leadership refused the publicity of the trial, as it was feared that Vlasov would begin to express anti-Soviet views. 1 of August 1946 of the year Andrei Vlasov and his associates were executed by hanging. They were burned and buried in the ground.

On 28 on May 1945 in the city of Lienz, the British command transferred to the Soviet Union 2,4 thousands of Cossacks captured by British troops who fought on the side of Nazi Germany. Among them were such notable figures as cavalry general Pyotr Krasnov, Lieutenant General Andrei Shkuro, Major General Timofei Domanov, Major General Sultan-Girey Klych.

All these people, former white officers, during the years of World War II supported Nazi Germany, took part in the formation and direction of the Cossack units on the eastern front. In particular, Pyotr Krasnov, since September 1943, served as head of the Main Directorate of Cossack Forces of the Imperial Ministry of the Eastern Occupied Territories of the Third Reich.



Timofei Domanov was a field ataman of the Cossack Camp and a member of the Main Directorate of Cossack Forces of the Imperial Ministry of the Eastern Occupied Territories of Germany. Starting from 1944, Andrei Shkuro served as chief of the Reserve of Cossack Forces at the General Staff of the SS Forces, had the rank of Lieutenant General of the SS Forces and SS Group Gang and was responsible for the preparation of Cossack units of Hitler Germany. Finally, Sultan-Girey Klych commanded the formations from the highlanders of the North Caucasus, which were part of the Cossack Camp of General Krasnov.

Together with Krasnov, Shkuro, Domanov and Sultan-Girey Klych, Lieutenant General Helmut von Pannwitz appeared before the court. Unlike the above-mentioned Cossack generals, Pannvits had nothing to do with Russia - he was a Prussian aristocrat by birth and from a young age he served in the German army. When Germany attacked the USSR in 1941, Pannvitz commanded an intelligence battalion with the rank of lieutenant colonel. At the front, he quickly made a career and was transferred to the apparatus of the Supreme Command of the Ground Forces, taking up the issues of creating armed formations from among the peoples of the USSR, primarily Cossacks.

In 1944, Pannwitz was promoted to lieutenant general. By this time, he oversaw the Cossack units of Nazi Germany, and in March of the 1945 of the year he was elected High Camping Ataman of the Cossack Camp. That is, Pannvitz was not a native of Russia and a traitor to the Motherland, but was an ordinary German general. And he had every reason to avoid being extradited to the Soviet Union, since he was a subject of Germany, but voluntarily agreed to be extradited to the USSR. Pannvitsa suffered the fate of other leaders of the Cossack Camp - he was sentenced to death by hanging. On 16 of January 1947 of the year Krasnov, Shkuro, Domanov, Sultan-Girey Klych and von Pannwitz were hanged on the territory of the Lefortovo prison by the court.

In August 1945, after the victory over Japan, a number of former white émigrés and traitors to the motherland who sided with the Japanese Empire and engaged in subversive activities against the Soviet Union were arrested by Soviet security agencies. Among them was Ataman Grigory Semenov, the famous Civil War participant, Lieutenant General of the White Army, who actively participated after the emigration from Russia in the affairs of the Bureau for Russian Emigrants in the Manchurian Empire (BREM).



From 26 to 30 on August 1946, the trial of the "Semenovtsi" was held in Moscow. 8 people appeared before the tribunal - Ataman Grigory Semenov himself, lieutenant general Lev Vlasyevsky and Alexei Baksheev, finance minister in the Kolchak government Ivan Mikhailov, leader of the All-Russian fascist party Konstantin Rodzaevsky, member of the leadership of the All-Russian fascist party Lev Okhotin, journalist Nikolai Ukhtomsky, former white officer Boris Shepunov. Ukhtomsky and Okhotin were sentenced to 20 and 15 years of hard labor, Baksheev, Vlasyevsky, Rodzaevsky, Mikhailov and Shepunov - to execution, and Grigory Semenov - to death by hanging.

Thus, Ataman Semenov was the only one of the defendants who was sentenced to be hanged and hung on 30 on August 1946 of the year. In fact, he was punished, albeit belatedly, for his actions during the Civil War in Russia, since during the Second World War Semenov no longer played a special role in the activities of the Japanese special services against the USSR, he was rather a symbolic figure.

After the trials of Hitler's punishers and traitors, hanging as a capital punishment in the Soviet Union was no longer applied. Policemen and punishers exposed in the 1960's - 1970's were already sentenced to death by execution.
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  1. aybolyt678 4 October 2019 04: 39 New
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    So there was a public request for this kind of execution, since the villains were hanging ... Society was one, the war united all
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      1. 210ox 4 October 2019 06: 51 New
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        Grandfather, dear .. Yes, the dog is with them, there in Washington ... But in our Rostov region, a monument to Krasnov, how?
        1. parusnik 4 October 2019 07: 16 New
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          But how, everything is according to the law, a private territory, a private monument, a private museum, private memory, as well as private property are not touched ... And the fact that with the help of this "private memory" the brain is washed by the rest, few people are interested .... Claims were filed in this regard, but the lawsuits were denied ...
          1. kiril1246 4 October 2019 08: 29 New
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            So you can buy a house and open a private Hitler museum there?
            1. Archon 4 October 2019 09: 29 New
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              if in abroad, it’s easy. and if in Russia - so that no one would know, and people, as a matter of conscience, would simply burn down the house.
              although even this is quite real if there are no forbidden materials such as symbols, flags and other objects. Some personal photos, clothes, objects, diaries are quite allowed.
              1. Wolverine Wolverine 4 October 2019 10: 31 New
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                Why did they not burn the Yeltsin Center out of conscience?
                1. Archon 5 October 2019 19: 48 New
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                  because it is a state one.
                  Yeltsin Center was established in accordance with the law 2008 of the year "On the centers of the historical heritage of the presidents of the Russian Federation that ceased to exercise their powers" - to preserve, study and publicly present the heritage of the first president of the Russian Federation "in the context of the latest history of the fatherland, the development of democratic institutions and the construction of the rule of law". The founder of the center is presidential administrationIts head, Anton Vaino, heads the board of trustees.
                  That is, it is an entire state project, and not a private museum.
                  And harming a private museum owner or state center makes a big difference.
                  1. Metallurg_2 5 October 2019 20: 16 New
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                    And what is interesting Medvedev-center is not built? It seems like he was also president and ceased to exercise his powers.
                    Or immediately want to build a Medveputin center?
                    1. Archon 5 October 2019 20: 37 New
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                      Maybe because Medvedev is still alive? That's when he dies, then we'll look at the Medvedev Center.
                      1. Metallurg_2 5 October 2019 20: 52 New
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                        Well, this is not a hindrance: the law does not specify that the former president must die so that a center is erected in his honor.
                2. tatarin1972 18 November 2019 09: 19 New
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                  Everything is ahead of him. The monument to Yeltsin in Yekaterinburg is periodically doused with paint.
            2. Free wind 4 October 2019 09: 40 New
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              Of course it is possible and necessary. Semen Konstantinovich Hitler, a Red Army soldier-machine gunner. On September 9, 1941, being wounded, he destroyed more than a hundred fascists from his machine gun. He was awarded a medal for courage !!!!!!!!!!!!!!. He died on July 3, 1942. Here it is.
            3. Alexey RA 4 October 2019 14: 59 New
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              Quote: kiril1246
              So you can buy a house and open a private Hitler museum there?

              Can. Only then wait for a visit who do you need - under article 20.3 of the Administrative Code of the Russian Federation "Propaganda or public demonstration of Nazi paraphernalia or symbols, or paraphernalia or symbols of extremist organizations, or other paraphernalia or symbols, propaganda or public display of which is prohibited by federal laws".
              At the hearing <***> he did not dispute the circumstances set out in the protocol, pleaded guilty to an administrative offense, indicated that he was engaged in military-historical reconstruction, restores weapons and clothing of a certain historical time, was interested in the history of Germany, and collects attributes of the Third Reich. The restored weapons and clothing are used in festivals for the reconstruction of historical battles. He took photographs himself, laid out “V Kontakte” to brag to his friends. He pointed out that at present all the photos containing Nazi symbols and paraphernalia have been deleted from his Vkontakte page.

              Given the severity and social danger of the deed, the person <***> the presence of mitigating and the absence of aggravating circumstances, taking into account the fact that seized from <***>. things (a German helmet of dark green color, on the side of which there is an image of a white shield, in the center with two “SS” symbols in black; the figure of the Imperial eagle of black color with spread wings, sitting on an oak wreath, inside which there is Nazi symbolism - a cross with curved ends; one pair of men's leather gloves in black; men's belt in black leather with a gray metal buckle, which depicts an Imperial black eagle with spread wings, sitting on an oak wreath, inside which there is Nazi symbolism - a cross with curved ends and a signature in a foreign language; men's suspenders made of black leather with locks and clasps made of gray metal) have Nazi attributes and symbols, they purchased them (<***> for personal use and displaying photos of these things on social networks, namely “ In Vkontakte ”, I consider it necessary to determine for him this type of punishment as an administrative fine with the confiscation of these administrative offenses.
              © twower
              Another person posted a contact photo of him with a military-historical reconstruction and an archive photo of German athletes from the 1936 Olympics. And grabbed a fine - for the fact that
              carried out the placement of Nazi symbols, available for viewing to other users.
            4. xax
              xax 4 October 2019 22: 21 New
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              They even wanted (and want) to buy Hitler's house in Austria on this subject. And the city authorities, it seems, have less and less objection to this over the years.
              1. Metallurg_2 5 October 2019 20: 20 New
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                Apparently the ideas of Aloizych are again relevant, especially when you consider how many Europe today are all kinds of barmaley from the Middle East who behave at home, as well as a general dominance of homosexuals.
                1. T.Henks 24 October 2019 16: 35 New
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                  But there are unconscious. In power. Destroy the graves of their ancestors. Silk gruber. In Austria.
          2. Oleg (Kharkov) 4 October 2019 09: 10 New
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            Quote: parusnik
            as well as private property is not touched ..

            and if the electorate were not soft-bodied rotten intelligentsia, but faithful Muslims? Would this "private property" stop them? would normal patriots allow their children to brainwash? even on private property?
            1. Pedrodepackes 4 October 2019 09: 22 New
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              Quote: Oleg (Kharkov)
              and if the electorate were not soft-bodied rotten intelligentsia, but faithful Muslims? Would this "private property" stop them? would normal patriots allow their children to brainwash?

              Compare Chechnya before the second war and after and draw conclusions. Try to make a conclusion not from the side of the Russian patriot, but from the side of the Chechen
              Quote: Oleg (Kharkov)
              faithful muslim
              1. xax
                xax 4 October 2019 22: 24 New
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                Quote: Pedrodepackes
                Try to make a conclusion not on the part of the Russian patriot

                This is not a Russian patriot, but a typical provocateur. I tell you faithfully.
              2. A good one 8 October 2019 18: 05 New
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                Quote: Pedrodepackes
                Try

                Is that you pedrobing here? wink Dill cover?
            2. Samum 7 October 2019 02: 59 New
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              They were already stupidly brainwashed a long time ago and in our time, only Wahhabis bred them like suckers and still probably breed 30 guria virgins, as funny as that
            3. A good one 8 October 2019 17: 45 New
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              Well, and the radiant you radiant fell on our head? The recharge is visible brain-biting: lions, Canada, London, Americans, God's chosen. How do you breathe people and how to us for a long time?
          3. aybolyt678 4 October 2019 13: 01 New
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            Quote: parusnik
            But how, everything is according to the law, a private territory, a private monument, a private museum, private memory, like private property are not touched ..

            you can not use state symbols for private purposes ... and on the photo of the grave of Vlasov the Flag of Russia!
            1. xax
              xax 4 October 2019 22: 25 New
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              Quote: aybolyt678
              Flag of Russia

              In the USA, the Russian flag is not a state symbol. Does anyone have any flags?
              1. zenion 7 October 2019 15: 32 New
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                Try to fly the flag of the enemy in the United States, enough for one day of life. Why hang people? So from time immemorial they hang by the neck, in another way it is impossible to hang. In truth, they wrote about pirates, it was written that men were hung by their tails. Women were hung in places by hooks. The pirates who felt sorry for the women pushed while their nature poured a bag of gunpowder and blew it up. Here they argue worthy, or not worthy. This was decided by the court. Here the Americans decided that one company of the SS was not worth living and shot them near the very barn where they killed the Americans. Read better Ilf and Petrov, about one person who loved to read adventure stories while stroking a mature hernia.
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                  xax 8 October 2019 00: 48 New
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                  Quote: zenion
                  Try to fly the flag of the enemy in the USA

                  The Russian flag hangs - and everything seems to be normal.
          4. Misha Kvakina 8 October 2019 17: 38 New
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            Yes shitty how !? These pogans, cheated on the Cossacks ... Traitors, they are traitors in Africa too ... And if they are also dirty criminals against the civilian population, then they are just bandits and criminals !!! It’s not good, to build the outlooks of civil societies on these freaks ... Petya Krasnov was a foul, he remained !!!
        2. Petrograd 4 October 2019 14: 35 New
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          Quote: 210ox
          Grandfather, dear .. Yes, the dog is with them, there in Washington ... But in our Rostov region, a monument to Krasnov, how?

          Good day to you, in St. Petersburg, Leningrad, the “honorary plaque” has perpetuated the memory of mannerheim. The fascist scumbag, the troops thereof was carried out and helped the troops of the 3 heikh-Blockade of Leningrad, how is it?
          1. Alexey RA 4 October 2019 18: 45 New
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            Quote: Petrograd
            Good day to you, in St. Petersburg, Leningrad, the “honorary plaque” has perpetuated the memory of mannerheim. The fascist scumbag, the troops thereof was carried out and helped the troops of the 3 heikh-Blockade of Leningrad, how is it?

            But no way - the board did not live long. While the city authorities officially tried to find out the point of view of the Darkest personally on this subject of culture (because the presence at the opening of Medinsky and Ivanov clearly indicated that the installation of the board was authorized by one of the upper echelons), unofficially everything that could be put was put on the board . After all, it came to jokes - at night the board was chopped with an ax. This action, accompanied by a ringing and roar, took place a couple of blocks from the "Big House" and a couple of blocks from the "diplomatic quarter". But neither the faces, nor the police, nor the locals saw or heard anything.
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          2. Metallurg_2 5 October 2019 20: 22 New
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            Like this:
            1. aybolyt678 6 October 2019 06: 20 New
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              And why would they be surprised, the former Komsomol member Merkel rules the country, in the purebred Aryan country the most popular name is Muhammad, and they march not under the swastika but under the colors of the rainbow .... but what about us, think of a sign for a former general of the tsarist army?
          3. Metallurg_2 5 October 2019 20: 26 New
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            You apparently skipped history lessons at school. Firstly, Mannerheim was never a fascist. Hitler's ally - yes, but not a fascist. And secondly, he personally and Finland in general had something to grind on the USSR: or will you deny that the Maynil incident, which was followed by an attack on Finland, was inspired by the NKVD?
            1. Petrograd 5 October 2019 21: 35 New
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              Perhaps we studied at different schools. In mine and Mannerheim and Hitler (who is also not a fascist, if you find fault) and other minions they were called fascists, and who they were, if you give details, I have no desire to delve into this "crap .... e". And the fact that his poor fellow and Finland "in general", as you put it, "offended" me (mat). Finland, as a state, I hope there is no need to remind how and as a result, a good piece of such a territory was formed that has "spoiled". And the fact that we say that he “helped” the anteroom with a mustache does not at least color him (very mildly speaking). If you are interested in all the nuances, do it, but now I don’t need moralizing to write and whitewash this bastard. The bastard, who was apparently so "offended" that he simply closed his general’s eyes to the atrocities of his soldiers, in relation to the prisoners and civilians. I’ll provide you with a couple of links:
              https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/3043205.html
              https://arctus.livejournal.com/154054.html
              Although you can directly write in the search engine “Finnish atrocities during the war”, I suggest you get to know this better.
              "-" from me, for the "poor" Finns and the "offended" gustavka.
              1. Metallurg_2 6 October 2019 10: 07 New
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                Finland, as a state, I hope it’s not necessary to remind how and as a result, a good such piece of territories was formed that “spoiled”

                I believe that, if you were in Mannerheim’s place, with the non-opposition (and approval) of the central government (the right to self-determination up to secession), would you also like to establish an independent state, and even seize more territories?
                And yes, I don’t know what was explained to you at the lessons of history - but Mannerheim was not recognized as a war criminal. Unlike his predecessor, Finnish President Risto Ryti.
            2. Misha Kvakina 8 October 2019 17: 41 New
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              I will deny it !!! NKVD and, this is a myth ....
            3. tatarin1972 18 November 2019 09: 26 New
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              Well, yes, he was not a fascist, it was in Italy, they were also a National Socialist, these were in Germany. But Finnish concentration camps were, in Karelia, 10 camps, 6 of them in Petrozavodsk.
      2. Avior 4 October 2019 07: 27 New
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        What bothers you?
        It is not surprising that in the USA he has a monument, but the fact that he is not in Russia.
        After all, in Russia now it’s the very system for which Vlasov fought with his Vlasovites, and the flags.
        Read the Prague manifesto ....
        1. bober1982 4 October 2019 08: 16 New
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          Quote: Avior
          After all, in Russia now it is precisely the system for which Vlasov fought with his Vlasovites

          Not quite so, Vlasov and his companions fought against the Zhid-Bolsheviks (according to Andrei Andreyevich himself), the article noted that the trial was not public because of the anti-Soviet views of the defendants (everyone repented, by the way), but the main reason for the closed trial is that how many former Soviet people supported Vlasov, and how they hated Soviet power. That scared me.
          The current government can’t be called Zhido-Bolshevik (the terminology and spelling of Vlasov is not mine), and therefore the Vlasovites could not fight for the current government.
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            Quote: bober1982
            Not quite so, Vlasov and his comrades fought against the ZhD-Bolsheviks (according to Andrei Andreevich himself)
            That is, a whole year Vlasov fought for the "Zhdydo-Bolsheviks", and then he suddenly regained sight ?! In court, he publicly denied his associates
            Defendant Vlasov: The crimes I have committed are great, and I expect severe punishment for them. The first fall is surrender. But I not only completely repented, though late, but at the trial and investigation I tried to identify the whole gang as clearly as possible. I expect a brutal punishment.
            Quote: bober1982
            this is how many former Soviet people supported Vlasov, and how they hated Soviet power.
            Two and a half divisions, that's all that the leadership of the ROA gathered from the former Soviet people - compare with the composition of the Red Army
            Quote: bober1982
            The current government can’t be called Zhido-Bolshevik (the terminology and spelling of Vlasov is not mine), and therefore the Vlasovites could not fight for the current government.
            You have some kind of logic mismatch. Vlasovites fought against the Bolshevik authorities, and not for. And the current government, too, blasphemes everything about the Soviet Union, as a rule.
            1. bober1982 4 October 2019 09: 02 New
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              Vlasov is a classic traitor, and there is no faith in any of his words.
              Quote: Stirbjorn
              Two and a half divisions, that’s all the ROA leadership gathered

              Hitler openly stated that Vlasov was a pig, and Hitler himself was suspicious of the idea of ​​forming Russian military units, and only after the attempt on him in 1944, under pressure from Himmler, permission was received to create Russian divisions, as a result they were rabble, which even the SS men were afraid of.
              Quote: Stirbjorn
              And the current government, too, blasphemes all the Soviet, as a rule.

              The current government does not care about everything Soviet, maybe even they have some nostalgia for those times, given their Komsomol-party roots.
              1. Alex_59 4 October 2019 10: 59 New
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                Quote: bober1982
                permission was received to create Russian divisions; as a result, they were rabble, which even the SS men were afraid of.
                Rather, they were not afraid, but disgusted. Marauders and drunks they were not particularly needed. In combat terms, they showed themselves extremely poorly.
                the main reason for the closed process is how many former Soviet people supported Vlasov, and how they hated Soviet power.
                And how much did Vlasov support? 0,85% of the country's population. About 2% of the population of the occupied regions of the country. And not all of those who supported “hated” Soviet power - a significant part entered the Vlasov’s army out of stupidity, weakness of spirit, or out of selfish interests to improve their living conditions. And as practice has shown, this whole rabble was well aware of the weakness of its decision. While chasing partisans, they were brave heroes, but when in contact with the regular units of the Red Army merged at a time. And how many of them gave the gangster back to his own or to the partisans? For example, in the Tatar Idel brigade, the flight to the partisans was so massive that it threatened the existence of the brigade as such.
                1. bober1982 4 October 2019 11: 16 New
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                  Quote: Alex_59
                  In combat terms, they showed themselves extremely poorly.

                  These divisions were formed at the beginning of 1945, it was of course a propaganda step, as they did not participate in such hostilities, there were small skirmishes.
                2. karabass 4 October 2019 12: 24 New
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                  They fought well - they fought to death because they had nothing to lose. The late grandfather told me long ago that during the Second World War they liberated some city from the Nazis (I already forgot the name), and the next day the Vlasovites took it away and it turned out to be beaten out much harder than the Germans, and with much greater losses
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                    They fought well - they fought to the death

                    These battles were not so many, in April 1945, what kind of battles could they have?
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                  Marauders and drunks they were not particularly needed. In combat terms, they showed themselves extremely poorly

                  The most notorious looters and drunks served in the Dirlewanger division. These are really afraid even in the leadership of the SS. By the way, the current "patriots" from the Ukrainian dobrobat are not far from them.
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              Vlasov and Vlasovites, as well as other traitors, fought against the Bolshevik government, and not for it.

              They are traitors because they fought for Nazi Germany, they killed their former colleagues, fellow citizens for the goals and ideas that fascist Germany implemented enslavement and destruction of nine out of ten Soviet citizens, Slavs in the first place. They all clearly understood what they were doing and why. The ruined lives of many, many thousands of our people - our fathers and grandfathers, destitute in the war and post-war life of our people, all this is on their conscience.
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            the main reason for the closed process is how many former Soviet people supported Vlasov, and how they hated Soviet power. That scared me.

            I partially agree with you, but there is another version of the closed process. Vlasov had something to say in blaming the authorities, but most importantly, there was someone to hear. The war ended and the euphoria of victory ended with a bitter hangover (the holiday of victory was not celebrated for a long time), huge victims, devastation, hunger, crowds of poor cripples in the streets and war veterans who came back from Europe, who saw how people live in other countries. But Vlasov was an ideological enemy, but he did not go for a bowl of soup to serve the Germans. It seems to me that this version is more believable.
            PS For our turbopatriots, I do not condone Vlasov for his chosen allies to fight the Soviet regime.
            1. bober1982 4 October 2019 09: 48 New
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              But Vlasov was an ideological enemy; he didn’t go to serve the Germans for a bowl of soup

              The fact of the matter is that Vlasov ran to the Germans precisely for this very bowl of soup — gratuitous schnapps, money and women, and that’s his whole ideology.
              Quote: Pedrodepackes
              Vlasov had something to say in blaming that government, but most importantly, there was someone to hear

              One can also agree, but it’s one thing to say in a drunken stupor, while the Germans were in captivity on their own rations, another thing is what he said when he was a Soviet general, where is ideology?
              It is a pity the people who believed him, who sincerely, some of selfish interests.
              1. Pedrodepackes 4 October 2019 09: 59 New
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                Quote: bober1982
                where is ideology here?

                at least in the fact that he didn’t leave the troops subordinate to him three times, unlike some Soviet generals.
                Quote: bober1982
                but one thing to say in a drunken stupor

                however, the Soviet leadership had concerns, so the process was closed
                Quote: bober1982
                Vlasov ran to the Germans precisely for this very bowl of soup - gratuitous schnapps, money and women
                is there any evidence of this?
                Quote: bober1982
                that’s all his ideology.
                his ideology is in the slogan "To Russia - with the Germans. In Russia - without the Germans!", which he did not hide, in his emphasized wearing of the Russian uniform. No, he is an ideological traitor; those who went to the Germans to save their lives and did not even shoot at the first soup: Ponedelin, Kirillov.
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                  Quote: Pedrodepackes
                  three times he did not leave the troops subordinate to him

                  When breaking out of the encirclement, he left the second Shock, and left it, taking with him a cover from machine gunners, not forgetting to take a military field wife, with whom he later surrendered to the Germans.
                  Quote: Pedrodepackes
                  his ideology is in the slogan "To Russia - with the Germans. In Russia - without the Germans!"

                  He could say anything, what could he do? The Germans were not as naive as many of our former compatriots, who would allow Vlasov to equip Russia without the Germans? It was ordinary Vlasov chatter.
                  1. Pedrodepackes 4 October 2019 10: 33 New
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                    The second shock, its remnants, when breaking out of the environment - just threw
                    Do you intentionally misrepresent information? He refused to fly away on the plane that Stalin sent for him, sending a wounded soldier behind him. There was no longer a breakthrough from the encirclement, they were finally blocked and scattered: "There was absolutely no food in the last days. We are eating the last horses. People are extremely exhausted. There is a group death from starvation. There is no ammunition ..." this is the last radiogram from his headquarters.
                    Quote: bober1982
                    who allowed would Vlasov
                    history does not tolerate subjunctive moods. However, he did not dress up, like thousands of others like him in the German form, accepting Hitler's ideas. Vlasov was well aware that Hitler would never defeat Russia without the help of the Russian people. However, this does not justify his choice of an ally in the struggle against Soviet power and does not deny his betrayal.
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                      Quote: Pedrodepackes
                      Breakthrough from the environment was no longer

                      There was a breakthrough, along a very narrow corridor, which the Germans shot through with everything they could, but Vlasov was not with the remnants of the army.
                      Quote: Pedrodepackes
                      Vlasov understood perfectly

                      He was not a stupid person at all - a semi-educated seminarist, a careerist to the marrow of bones, a dodgy, smart, sort of peasant nugget that rose to the rank of General of the Red Army and favorite of Stalin.
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                        a careerist to the marrow of bones, quirky, smart, a sort of peasant nugget that rose to the rank of General of the Red Army and favorite of Stalin.

                        but if Vlasov had not been captured by the Germans, would you characterize him as well?
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                        Quote: Pedrodepackes
                        but if Vlasov had not been captured by the Germans, would you characterize him as well?

                        No, I wouldn’t describe it that way, he would be called one of the marshals of the Victory, but he would probably have risen to the rank of marshal.
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                        Turns of history, in extreme cases, can be called random, and the immediate turning point is due to the last concrete “drop of events”. From this point of view, if, for example, Stalin sent Zhukov to command the 2nd shock army, then with a high degree of probability we can say that the Vlasov would sign the Act of German surrender ...
                2. Sugar Honeyovich 4 October 2019 14: 37 New
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                  Of course, Vlasov is "ideological." Only his idea is that which was formulated by Lakhnovsky: to live longer and eat better. He served the Soviet regime faithfully for twenty years, until he was personally baked. And hell - he adapted his idea to new conditions.
                  Quote: Pedrodepackes
                  Vlasov was well aware that Hitler would never defeat Russia without the help of the Russian people.

                  This is unlikely. In 1942, the probability of Hitler's victory looked rather high, because Vlasov, once he got to the Germans, tried to take advantage of this. And then he began to understand that Hitler would lose to the Russian people in any way, and most importantly, he began to understand how the Russian people relate to people like him. But ... the gnaw is stuck - there’s an abyss to the whole bird.
                  And as for the "support of the population", on the front for the Vlasovites, the worst thing was to meet ordinary soldiers, the very Russian people. No SMERSH did not save.
                3. Serg koma 4 October 2019 17: 26 New
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                  Quote: Pedrodepackes
                  this is the last radiogram from his headquarters.

                  And what a white and fluffy ...
                  “I'll start with discipline and order. No one will leave my army, simply because he wanted to leave. The people of my army will go either to increase with orders or to be shot. "- on April 19, 1942, he took command of the encircled army. Vlasov’s last order:" To retreat to everyone on their own. "From Vlasov’s testimony -" During my stay surrounded by the enemy, my anti-Soviet sentiment escalated even more, and not wanting to fight "July 13, 1942, taking advantage of the Germans' arrival in the village where I was, I surrendered to them voluntarily."
                  Most likely this city ... but it didn’t fly by plane already having a plan for surrender and a good life under the Germans, it was only necessary to sell itself “more expensive”. In September 1941, the Vlasov left the Kiev boiler, went 700 km through the rear of the Germans and left the encirclement on 01.11.1941/XNUMX/XNUMX, so there was a “partisan” experience.
                  ADAPTIVE !!!
                  Quote: Pedrodepackes
                  However, he did not dress up, like thousands of others like him in the German form, accepting Hitler's ideas.

                  What is more important form or content? Of course - “did not accept Hitler’s ideas”, and along with him “did not accept ideas” - Shukhevych, Bandera, but to trifle - Guderian (in post-war memoirs) and many other survivors of Hitler.
              2. grave 5 October 2019 09: 59 New
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                He didn’t leave anyone: An order was given to split up into groups and make his way to his own. And he also refused to evacuate on an airplane that flew after him. Like Efremov. And many threw troops and flew away. An example is at least the evacuation of the commanders from Sevastopol .No need to ascribe acts to a person whom he did not commit. His crime is different.
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                  He was ordered to split into groups and make his way to his own. And he also refused to evacuate on an airplane that flew after him

                  Vlasov made his way through the swamps - to the caches with food.
                  There could be no aircraft, and no one sent for him, for the reason that the Germans blocked everything.
                  Quote: Kapa
                  And many threw troops and flew away

                  Do not fantasize.
                  1. grave 9 October 2019 10: 26 New
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                    They sent a plane for him. He didn’t fly away. And about what he had there — swag there. Automation and PPS are already the third thing. In the condition that he accepted the 2 shock army, the genius would not have pulled him out of the encirclement
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                    In the condition that he took the 2nd shock army, the genius would not have withdrawn from the environment

                    I agree, he did not drive the 2nd Shock in the swamps, it was doomed long before his command, his fault - he did not go on a breakthrough with his fighters and commanders.
                  3. grave 9 October 2019 10: 58 New
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                    Why? There were dozens of groups there. Which one to go so as not to be guilty? He went with one of the groups. That was his right. Do not forget, he’s a general after all
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                    He went with one of the groups

                    But, he did not make a breakthrough, as a result, he ended up safely in a cozy village barn.
                  5. grave 9 October 2019 11: 12 New
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                    If you want to eat, you’ll go where your nose leads. After all, it’s enough wine without a barn
                  6. bober1982 9 October 2019 11: 14 New
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                    Quote: Kapa
                    If you want to eat, you’ll go where your nose leads

                    Yes, everything is correct - he went, accompanied by machine gunners to hiding places with food, he had a scent.
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                  Listen, are you his chronicler or an eyewitness? You were not in his position and you will never be like him. His guilt has been proved by the court and how he walked there and what he did not know in his head. Leave him alone
  • Stirbjorn 4 October 2019 10: 05 New
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    But Vlasov was an ideological enemy, but he did not go for a bowl of soup to serve the Germans.
    Krasnov, or the same Kononov, who immediately went over to the German side was ideological. But Vlasov, who made himself quite a normal career in the Red Army, distinguished himself near Moscow
    1. Pedrodepackes 4 October 2019 10: 09 New
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      Krasnov, or the same Kononov, who immediately went over to the German side was ideological.

      the fact of the matter is that Krasnov was not a traitor, but an ideological enemy, because he did not side with the Germans, from the very beginning he was against the Soviet regime and was not even a Soviet citizen. Vlasov, though ideological, is a traitor. At first he was a supporter of one idea, and then he began to fight for another idea.
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        Quote: Pedrodepackes
        Krasnov was not a traitor, but was an ideological enemy

        Here I completely agree with you.
      2. Alexey RA 4 October 2019 11: 14 New
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        the fact of the matter is that Krasnov was not a traitor, but an ideological enemy, because he did not side with the Germans, from the very beginning he was against the Soviet regime and was not even a Soviet citizen.

        The most interesting thing is that Krasnov was still a traitor. But not the Soviet system, but the Russian Empire or the Republic. For it is difficult to qualify otherwise his separatism and intercourse with the head of a state at war with the Republic with the proposal of neutrality of a separate state headed by him in exchange for military assistance from the enemy. After all, the First World War for the White movement still continued - They did not recognize the obscene world. wink
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          For it is difficult to qualify otherwise his separatism and intercourse with the head of a state at war with the Republic with the proposal of neutrality of a separate state headed by him in exchange for military assistance from the enemy. After all, the First World War for the White movement still continued

          but then we are talking about the betrayal of traitors, because Lenin also collaborated with the Germans and helped them, urging the army to turn bayonets and decaying it with the help of his agitators. This is a difficult question.
          1. Alexey RA 4 October 2019 14: 24 New
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            but then we are talking about the betrayal of traitors, because Lenin also collaborated with the Germans and helped them, urging the army to turn bayonets and decaying it with the help of his agitators.

            And I considered the situation not from the point of view of the Reds, but from the point of view of the White movement: the same Denikin and Kolchak. In the event of their victory, Krasnov could well be judged - for the independent Don Army.
            And for the sabotage of the White movement - too. In Denikin’s memoirs, Krasnov’s attempts at the expense of Bely to solve the small-town problems of the Donskoy Troops are well described (an attempt to transfer the blow of the white detachments to Tsaritsyn, “withdrawal” of the Cossacks, an attempt to subjugate Drozdovsky’s detachment).
            This small town, the naive hope of snatching a hut from the Empire under the guise of a khatinka with a kindergarten and tugging at it, but let others fight and destroy the opponents of the Reds. At first Bolsheviks and sympathizers coped with the wrestlers for one and indivisible, and then a steamroller walked through all sorts of nezalezhnimi.
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              And I considered the situation not from the point of view of the Reds, but from the point of view of the White movement: the same Denikin and Kolchak. In the event of their victory, Krasnov could well be judged - for the independent Don Army.
              And for the sabotage of the White movement - too. In Denikin’s memoirs, Krasnov’s attempts at the expense of Bely to solve the small-town problems of the Donskoy Troops are well described (an attempt to transfer the blow of the white detachments to Tsaritsyn, “withdrawal” of the Cossacks, an attempt to subjugate Drozdovsky’s detachment).
              This small town, the naive hope of snatching a hut from the Empire under the guise of a khatinka with a kindergarten and tugging at it, but let others fight and destroy the opponents of the Reds. At first, the Bolsheviks and sympathizers dealt with the fighters for a single and indivisible, and then a steam rink went through all sorts of non-adjacent.

              Competently.
          2. Sugar Honeyovich 4 October 2019 14: 25 New
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            And Krasnov proposed the same separate Lenin peace: not to support volunteers in exchange for the independence of "Cossacks". Leni refused ... So Krasnov is a traitor in pure form. His country and his people.
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              Leni refused ... So Krasnov is a traitor in pure form. His country and his people.

              in the context of the civil war - definitely, but we're talking about the Second World War
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              And in the second world - even more so. With that, however, a reservation that Krasnov, perhaps, the people of the USSR did not consider his people ("the country of the Yids and parasites"). Then he really is not a traitor. He is the enemy of all Russian, as is Hitler.
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              Quote: Sugar Honeyovich
              Then he really is not a traitor. He is the enemy of all Russian, as is Hitler.

              You see, in the civilian war some Russians killed other Russians and each fought for their own Russia, which one is a traitor to Russia? Many people consider the Second World War the second civilian, those who were dissatisfied with the Soviet regime enlisted in the enemy camp, automatically becoming traitors, but what did they betray if they were always against the advice? I believe that the traitors were former Soviet and party workers who sided with Hitler, but people who suffered from the Soviet regime (dispossessed prosperous peasants or unreasonably repressed) why they had to defend that regime. The whole tragedy of their situation was that they had to choose between the Fatherland and the state. Take the same German anti-fascists, they also fought against German troops for a new Germany, for us - courageous fighters against Nazism, for the Germans - traitors.
            4. Sugar Honeyovich 7 October 2019 04: 56 New
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              So I’m talking about this: against the Soviets, such as Krasnov were ready to be friends with the devil (that is, with the greatest evil of all possible), and if the people supported the Soviets, then in their opinion, all the worse for the people.
              If you look at the situation from the other side: those white emigrants who fought against the Germans or at least supported the USSR with money or propaganda — traitors to their idea? So it turns out? After all, their former associates accused him of this!
    2. Serg koma 4 October 2019 17: 57 New
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      Quote: Pedrodepackes
      because Lenin also collaborated with the Germans

      ".... I ask you to accept me in the English army on any terms.
      ...... December 30, 1917 I was accepted into the service of His Majesty the King of England.
      ...... by order of the English government to return immediately to China to work in Manchuria and Siberia .. "- A. Kolchak Supreme Commander of the Russian Army
  • T.Henks 24 October 2019 16: 54 New
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    How is it with the non-people? They were communists, they became capitalists. Famously.
  • Serg koma 4 October 2019 18: 29 New
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    Quote: Stirbjorn
    And Vlasov, he made himself a normal career in the Red Army,

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    It seems to me that this version is more believable.

    I think this version is erroneous, and it distracts from the true reasons, namely, miscalculations and errors could have been revealed in the process, our command during the war, among which were possibly unacceptable, could be compromised on some military leaders, outright lies against them with the aim of discredit, which was necessary to refute, and to drop authority and to tarnish the reputation of winners, no one at that time could not afford.
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      Quote: Jura
      miscalculations and errors could have been identified during the process, of our command during the war, among which were possibly unacceptable, some military commanders could have been compromised,

      so that's what this is about
      1. Yura 4 October 2019 13: 42 New
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        But Vlasov was an ideological enemy, but he did not go for a bowl of soup to serve the Germans.

        And here is the killer and the main question that the people could have for their superior persons: "How did it happen that the ideological enemy was able to reach the highest posts in the army, was able to go to the side of the enemy and this is all without any consequences for him?" This question, but against the background of the repressed and for the lesser sins, it would be difficult to pay off. And yes, I’m not very deep into your comment, I didn’t understand it that way.
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          the main question that could arise from the people to senior officials: "How did it happen that ideological enemy could rise to the highest posts in the army,

          The people were already used to this at that time, and would not have asked such questions. The following is a list (incomplete): Trotsky; Tukhachevsky; Blucher; Yakir; Primakov; Uborevich; Gamarnik .... all FOREIGN spies, traitors to the Motherland, i.e. "gone / went over to the side of the enemy."
          So your guess seems to be by.
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            Quote: Serg Koma
            The following is a list (incomplete): Trotsky; Tukhachevsky; Blucher; Yakir; Primakov; Uborevich; Gamarnik ..

            I have known this list since 1966. Do you put Vlasov on the same board with them? Past what is my guess?
            1. Serg koma 5 October 2019 07: 37 New
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              Quote: Jura
              Past what is my guess?

              Past the following assumption
              Quote: Jura
              "How did it happen that ideological enemy was able to rise to the highest posts in the army, managed to go to the side of the enemy and this is all without any consequences for him? "This question, but against the background of the repressed and for the lesser sins, it would be hard to get away
  • lelik613 4 October 2019 18: 06 New
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    Vlasov had 20 years to resign and change his citizenship. And in the year 42 it was not appropriate to produce anthrax, having laid the army in the swamps.
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      Vlasov himself has no interest for me. But people who refused to fight on the side of the Germans are very sorry. And this is the main tragedy.
  • aybolyt678 4 October 2019 18: 25 New
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    But Vlasov was an ideological enemy, but he did not go for a bowl of soup to serve the Germans.

    why not for a bowl of soup? he surrendered when there was nothing left of his army, when there was nowhere to go, when faith in victory had dried up ... By the way, in the Soviet leadership he was in good standing. It’s such a disease, to be in good standing, to have a career — to be a conscious communist, to survive with the Germans — to become an ideological enemy, to earn forgiveness — will repent ....
    1. Pedrodepackes 6 October 2019 10: 08 New
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      why not for a bowl of soup?

      because you are reasoning in the context of a layman sitting on a sofa in a warm apartment with a full stomach. Vlasov was simply disappointed in the Soviet regime, holding a high post, he knew a lot about its wrong side, and the rout of the 2 armies and the upheavals connected with it put an end to his perception of socialist reality. Yes, he changed his oath, he is a traitor, but not for a bowl of soup. For a bowl of soup, he could, as Nedelin calmly stares at the camp for senior officers.
      1. Sugar Honeyovich 6 October 2019 13: 16 New
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        And until the summer of 1942, he did not give up on Soviet power? Before being assigned to the 2nd shock, he attended a reception at Stalin, so he nearly choked on his saliva with delight. Just that plate that was in the camp was not enough for him.
        1. Pedrodepackes 6 October 2019 13: 30 New
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          And until the summer of 1942, he did not give up on Soviet power?
          I don’t know, maybe there were reasons, but what did he do in those conditions?
          Quote: Sugar Honeyovich
          Before being assigned to the 2nd shock, he attended a reception at Stalin, so he nearly choked with saliva in delight

          Did you see it yourself?
          Quote: Sugar Honeyovich
          Just that plate that was in the camp was not enough for him.

          no need to draw conclusions for others. When Caudillo was ready to send him an airplane for a flight to Spain, or when Captain Donahue, who served as commandant of the American zone, offered to take cover on the American side, he refused, do you think that the plate of Spanish or American soup was thinner? I agree that he betrayed the communist idea, betrayed the people who fed him and dressed him, but he didn’t do it for a "bowl of soup."
          1. Sugar Honeyovich 7 October 2019 06: 51 New
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            What was he to do in those conditions - in order to get what?
            Vlasov wrote about his reception with Stalin to two of his women - it is known from here. Only (my mistake) it was in February 1942, and not in the summer.
            And as for Spain or the American zone - also who knows what he was guided by and what he hoped for. They caught him when he went to the Americans.
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        Vlasov was simply disappointed in the Soviet regime,

        he is a military man ... they don’t get the hell out of service to the general, give the oath, maim the soldier. On the other hand, How do you - just disappointed in God? or supreme ruler? and decided to remake the world! lol help another god or Germans build a bright future for Russia! wassat For which he was hanged - BY THE NECK! laughing
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          Quote: aybolyt678
          Why he was hanged - BY THE NECK

          This is a clinic. Purely a statement of fact. To the morgue, to the morgue ...
  • T.Henks 24 October 2019 16: 50 New
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    I think you are mistaken. The authorities of those times were not afraid. The current ones are afraid. Those had a difficult, but victory. And the people felt in their own skin, for which they wanted to reduce it to a minimum. And there are always those who disagree. To traitors in Russia is always one relationship. Not depending on the current system.
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    There is a Prague manifest - the ideological basis of the Vlasov movement
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    Strange as it may seem, the Vlasovites refused to accept the thesis about the struggle against the Jews when preparing the manifesto.
    But against England and the United States, agreed.
    I’ll give a link below, but they have been rubbed recently. Try it yourself on Wiki to dial the Prague manifest.
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    this is how many former Soviet people supported Vlasov, and how they hated Soviet power.

    The absolute majority went to Vlasov from unbearable conditions and switched to the side of the spacecraft as soon as possible, there were cases of the transfer of entire companies and battalions. No wonder they were removed from the Eastern Front due to low reliability.
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      Quote: qqqq
      No wonder they were removed from the Eastern Front due to low reliability.

      From which front could they be removed? in 1945? Were running away heavy
  • Serg koma 4 October 2019 16: 33 New
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    how many former Soviet people supported Vlasov, and how they hated Soviet power. That scared.

    DO NOT EXAGGERATE!
    Take an interest in the recollections of war veterans (OUR and not yours) - they didn’t take Vlasov prisoners (and why?) ... If the process was public, there would hardly be enough room for everyone who wanted to quart Vlasov. The author of the article put forward a version - “he will begin to expound anti-Soviet views” (and what from this, everyone already knew that he was an anti-Soviet and a traitor), do you not consider other versions? For example - a public process would be frustrated by performances from a place, or a possible mob mob.
    1. bober1982 4 October 2019 17: 28 New
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      Why Galician nobody (the crowd) quartered? They served time and returned home, and now they are honored and respected.
      1. lelik613 4 October 2019 18: 13 New
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        They did not give people the opportunity to express their appreciation to them. And later their nickname granted amnesty as socially close.
        1. bober1982 4 October 2019 18: 15 New
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          Where was the mob mob?
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            Where was the mob mob?

            They were taken out in time - they did not give me to tear.
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              They were taken out in time - they did not give me to tear.

              Or didn’t want to, where did such scrupulousness come from? Why in the "expense" is not allowed, punitive.
              1. Serg koma 4 October 2019 19: 38 New
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                Why in the "expense" is not allowed

                Remote village The victory was a place of exile for Bandera, Vlasov, "forest brothers", policemen and other anti-Soviet elements who successfully worked on logging.

                Cool written, in fact - the place of reference of persons involved (and family members) to the above, i.e. sympathizing and helping, harboring, etc.
                Beria amnesty - incl. under article 193 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR

                Khrushchev's amnesty - Decree of the Presidium of the USSR Armed Forces of 17.09.1955/XNUMX/XNUMX on the amnesty of Soviet citizens who collaborated with the invaders during the Second World War
                I can’t answer the question “why they didn’t shoot” ... A typical story - “The Alien Glory of Ivan Dobrobaba” (Military History Journal No. 8; 9 1990 may be familiar?) - as a result, the traitor became a hero (or vice versa?), and now the protagonist of a military-patriotic movie.
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                This decree was adopted during the period of collective leadership. Consequently, Voroshilov, Malenkov, Molotov, Kaganovich, Bulganin, then still included in this manual, had nothing against.
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                had nothing against.

                Not only them, was not in Pravda and indignant (by this decree) letters from readers in the front pages. The generosity to the defeated enemy (albeit having a citizenship) was probably unnecessary in this case. The true story confirms this.
        2. bober1982 4 October 2019 19: 07 New
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          They were taken out in time - they did not give me to tear.

          What happens is that the Russian dyuyraks had to be hanged, but the Ukrainian fascists - no.
          So what kind of power was that?
          1. Serg koma 4 October 2019 19: 51 New
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            So what kind of power was that?

            [img]https://i.mycdn.me/i?r=AyH4iRPQ2q0otWIFepML2LxRp5jomaqZn1R1akBXHGJFkA[/img]

            Probably really "the most humane in the world." Looks like we have a mentality - treat your enemies magnanimous and nobler than to their own citizens ....
            So it was, is and will be - unfortunately.
          2. nikvic46 5 October 2019 07: 25 New
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            Of course, you need to know history. But no historical truth can replace live communication with people of that period. Only a Russian soldier can tell you the whole truth. And even about peaceful life. The simplest person has the greatest wisdom.
          3. zenion 7 October 2019 15: 24 New
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            This is a simple person appointed in which direction you need to hit. This simple man met with the leaders of the anti-Hitler coalition and he knew everything that was going on at the front from the White to the Black Sea. This simple man knew how many tanks were needed and who produced them, and so on. A cousin fought under the Kursk tanker, commanded a battalion of heavy tanks. And he did not know what kind of shells tore down the towers from the German tigers and did not even try to find out, even though he was a major by rank.
  • Alf
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    (everyone repented, by the way)

    They all repented when they saw the real rope.
    1. bober1982 4 October 2019 19: 22 New
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      They all repented when they saw the real rope.

      Yes, Semyonov, Krasnov, and Vlasov repented, by the way they were not beaten as party comrades, and there was no need to beat them, they confessed quickly.
  • Petrograd 5 October 2019 13: 29 New
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    Quote: bober1982
    Not quite so, Vlasov and his companions fought against the Zhid-Bolsheviks (according to Andrei Andreyevich himself), the article noted that the trial was not public because of the anti-Soviet views of the defendants (everyone repented, by the way), but the main reason for the closed trial is that how many former Soviet people supported Vlasov, and how they hated Soviet power. That scared me.
    The current government can’t be called Zhido-Bolshevik (the terminology and spelling of Vlasov is not mine), and therefore the Vlasovites could not fight for the current government.

    Karbyshev (Hero for me) acted differently ...
  • Petrograd 4 October 2019 15: 48 New
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    Alas, but you are right ....
    1. bober1982 4 October 2019 18: 20 New
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      Respected Petrograd, a small recommendation, do not count it as an obsession, in order to avoid misunderstandings - a comment should be addressed.
      Quote: Petrograd
      Alas, but you are right ....

      This is your comment "stretches and stretches" in time and space and to whom it is addressed is not clear.
      1. Petrograd 4 October 2019 22: 05 New
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        I agree - my and "honored"
  • not main 4 October 2019 23: 21 New
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    What bothers you?
    It is not surprising that in the USA he has a monument, but the fact that he is not in Russia.
    After all, in Russia now it’s the very system for which Vlasov fought with his Vlasovites, and the flags.
    Read the Prague manifesto ....

    Your attitude confuses me! Vlasov is a traitor! And all the rest of his activity was a betrayal! And your "general" fought for his corrupt skin!
    1. Petrograd 5 October 2019 13: 12 New
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      Your attitude confuses me! Vlasov is a traitor! And all the rest of his activity was a betrayal! And your "general" fought for his corrupt skin!

      I agree. He could either put a bullet in his forehead or fight to the last with weapons in his hands. But, he found a "way out" for his carcass, hiding behind loud words, he became a traitor and a traitor. Although it pleases that he pleased his carcass, "he danced the last dance with hemp aunt," the dog-dog death.
  • Serg koma 4 October 2019 08: 40 New
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    Help on the rehabilitation of Lieutenant General von Pannwitz Helmut, released by the Chief Military Prosecutor's Office, April 23, 1996:
    “Von Pannwitz Helmut Wilhelmovich, born in 1898, arrested on May 9, 1945, convicted on January 16, 1947 by the Military Collegium of the Supreme Court of the USSR on the basis of Art. 1 of the Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR of April 19, 1943 to the death penalty by hanging, in accordance with paragraph "a" of Art. 3 Laws of the Russian Federation “On the rehabilitation of victims of political repression” rehabilitated.
    Assistant to the Chief Military Prosecutor V.M. Kruk.

    Enough mind and conscience only after FIVE years !!!
    Head of the Department for Rehabilitation of Victims of Political Repressions of the GWP, Major General of Justice V.K. Kondratova - “I inform you that the conclusion of April 22, 1996 on the rehabilitation of von Pannwitz Helmut as unreasonable was canceled. On June 28th of this year (2001), it was concluded that von Pannwitz for committed criminal acts convicted reasonably, no reason to protest he is not subject to rehabilitation».

    But nothing, the "work of heroes" lives under the protection of the RUSSIAN ORTHODOX CHURCH am
    In 1994 year von Pannvitsu, A.G. Shkuro, P.N. Krasnov, Sultan-Girey Klych, T.N. Domanov and others. In Moscow on the territory of the Church of All Saints a monument was erected to the “Soldiers of the Russian military alliance, the Russian corps, the Cossack camp, Cossacks 15
    cavalry corps who fell for faith and the fatherland. " 8 May 2007 years, on the eve of Victory Day, the marble slab was broken. On this fact excited
    criminal case under vandalism. In 2014, on the 100th anniversary of the outbreak of the First World War, a new slab was installed on the site of the slab, “Cossacks who fell for Faith, Tsar and Fatherland”.
    The symbolic tombstone of the White Generals, Cossack Atamans and German General Helmut von Pannwitz was created WWII Veterans Group in 1998 and was erected at the Church of All Saints with the blessing of Archbishop Tikhon of Bronnitsky, the rector of this Temple in 1995-2000.
    "commemorative signs" to "Generals of the Russian Imperial Army and the White Movement", "Cossack Atamans" "IS PROTECTED BY THE RUSSIAN ORTHODOX CHURCH".
    and as an excuse for the "NEW HISTORY" - Helmut von Pannwitz maintained active contacts with the underground anti-Hitler organization "Black Chapel", which consisted of German officers and generals - participants in the conspiracy against Hitler, and he now - German anti-Nazi am
    PS The notorious Lev Gitsevich was part of the "group of WWII veterans"
    1. Greg Miller 4 October 2019 10: 53 New
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      And also about von Panwitz, who was not an idiot at all and surrendering to Soviet captivity, where he was finally hanged, he had a specific goal - to save his own skin. In Soviet captivity, he, unlike his Russian comrades-in-arms, was not considered a traitor and counted on the status of a prisoner of war, who should have been released a few years later. The purpose of hiding in Soviet captivity was his non-surrender of Yugoslavia, where he would certainly be hanged for war crimes. But, this cunning plan did not work - the award found a "hero" in the USSR ...
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    The meanest lie is half-truth. She is also the most stupid.
    This monument is in the USA! And the Russian Orthodox Church did not set it!
    It was put by the so-called ROCOR, which is partly (only partly) and formed at different times by the villains who fled there from Russia (including during the Second World War - fleeing punishment for the betrayal of the motherland). In this organization, many hate the Russian Orthodox Church no less than the USSR. An example of this is the fact that part of the parishes of that organization even rejected the very possibility of communicating with the Russian Orthodox Church, when the Russian Orthodox Church in the 2000s tried to establish this communication.
    So the creators of that monument (and mummers for the priests who show off in the photo) may well be the children of those same traitors. What is there to be surprised at?
  • Glory1974 4 October 2019 08: 50 New
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    I agree with you. In the article, the author wrote:
    “At the request of the workers” the execution was returned

    I think now all normal people will ask for the death penalty for certain categories of geeks. Therefore, do not put this request in brackets.
  • Pedrodepackes 4 October 2019 09: 16 New
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    So there was a public request for this kind of execution

    for Nazi villains guilty of murders and tortures of the Soviet civilian population and captured Red Army soldiers
    for these I would formulate a public request for burning on low fire, for it is one thing to kill your enemy (war is war, whatever it may be), another thing is to torment unarmed people.
    1. sergevl 5 October 2019 10: 31 New
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      No one in their right mind will undertake to fulfill your sick fantasies. If there is not enough extreme in life, and the smell of burned flesh contributes to an erection, go volunteer to work in the children's burn department.
      1. Pedrodepackes 6 October 2019 14: 07 New
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        the smell of burned flesh promotes an erection; volunteer to work in the children's burn ward.

        Are you fixated on pedophilia? So you to the doctor, if you have not yet fulfilled your wet dreams.
      2. Pedrodepackes 12 October 2019 09: 40 New
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        If there is not enough extreme in life ...
        I had enough extreme, grabbed in 1995 and in 2001 for the rest of my life.
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        volunteer to work in the children's burn ward.

        the education profile will not allow me to go to work there, but during my studies at the school I donated 5 liters of blood as a donor and it was to the children's department of the burn center and I know for sure that I have two saved children's lives (one of the children was a teacher’s grandson our school). I remembered something ...
        1. sergevl 12 October 2019 11: 12 New
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          A voluntary assistant is taken to any hospital. Without education. By the way, I did not accuse you of pedophilia. Before drowning on the Internet for burning people alive, go and see how it looks like burned flesh, and how people suffer from burns. Do not like children - try as an adult, volunteer. In the same way, it is recommended that those who like to speculate on the effect of expansive bullets work a little in the operating room, where people are brought after expansive bullets hit. As for the SS soldiers, it is much better than publicly burning them on crosses against the background of burned villages, the most common LIFE conclusion with humane conditions of detention, and hard daily work somewhere in Siberia, for the benefit of society. Moreover, to a very old age in the cells. It is unlikely that one can think of worse for a person than living his whole life in a cage. And to know at the same time that this will be all life.
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            formed a public request for incineration, ==================
            Here are the SS soldiers and formed a public question for the burning of supposedly peaceful but actually partisan villages. And successfully implemented it.
            On the Maidan, a public request was also formed to burn garbage and golden eagles with Molotov cocktails.
            And in Afghanistan, villagers also formed a public request for the execution of Soviet soldiers under the name "red tulip".
            Here is my opinion - that if you had found yourself in a concentration camp by the will of fate, you would have completely realized the public request for executions of the communists.
            1. Pedrodepackes 12 October 2019 12: 33 New
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              If you had the will of fate in a concentration camp, then you would have completely realized the public request for executions of the communists.

              I am only for and without a concentration camp
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              LIFE imprisonment with humane conditions of detention, and hard daily labor somewhere in Siberia, for the benefit of society.

              Yeah, and we’ll put you there on the tower? I personally do not want to freeze the snot in the cold with the wind, it’s somehow warmer for me around the fire.
          2. Pedrodepackes 12 October 2019 12: 29 New
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            go and see how it burned flesh looks like
            seen already
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            grabbed in 1995 and in 2001 for the rest of his life.
  • RAA
    RAA 5 October 2019 15: 26 New
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    Vlasov and his drinking companions were relatively lucky. They were fed, watered, treated and hanged! It was much worse for those painters who refused to join the Vlasov army, but were questioned about Stalin during interrogation by the Germans! After the Victory they were brought to Moscow and simply beaten up of death!
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    Now there is also a public request, but the current leadership is afraid to introduce it, because itself and all the big businessmen, the “masters of life” will be the first in the loop
    1. Amurets 4 October 2019 05: 20 New
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      Quote: Military Builder
      Now there is also a public request, but the current leadership is afraid to introduce it, because itself and all the big businessmen, the “masters of life” will be the first in the loop

      Yes, not afraid, but unties his hands. "The death penalty in Russia existed until 1999. At present, the institution of killing as a punishment has been stopped. For almost twenty years this state of affairs has caused serious debate and disagreement.
      Nevertheless, a moratorium on the death penalty in Russia allows the country to act more freely in the international arena. In a sense, refusing to take lives is a fee for the right to speak on equal terms with more developed countries. The latter at the legislative level have long secured the right of every person to life, regardless of behavior and danger to society. "

      Source: https://pravonarushenie.com/otvetstvennost-i-nakazanie/vidy/smertnaya-kazn-v-rossii
      1. Wildcat 4 October 2019 13: 42 New
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        I'm afraid you are wrong.
        The death penalty was also abolished under foreign policy influence (the desire to get into European structures), this is true, but there was also a domestic reason: in the 90s there was an understanding that the state shot not only killers and so on, but so on, but and "economic criminals" who did nothing to deserve execution. Plus, the standard volume of judicial errors, only do not dig back from the grave. Reintroducing the death penalty, it is very difficult to stop: whom to kill? Killers? The rapists? Maniacs? Traitors? Traitors? Masters of life? What percentage of innocents will be killed?
        For example, you can look at the cases of rape, as denied, yet the indictment is just darkness.
        In general, our state did the right thing, that it stopped killing, introducing a life sentence. Again, the state does not suffer from the impossibility of killing someone. And if news from abroad about the next agent 007 comes (there are always problems with documents, now the TIN, be it wrong ....), then inside - quiet and grace, that it’s necessary and that’s happening ...
        1. sergevl 5 October 2019 10: 33 New
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          Life imprisonment according to prisoners is not much more humane death penalty))))
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            Well, firstly, no one really asks them how they want to be punished, otherwise the FSIN resorts would be empty.
            Secondly, if it really got bored there, then ...
            Thirdly, a very impressive list of what they give a life sentence for, and if people with this list sit securely and never get out - let them live, then again the "most humane" "mowed down" ....
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        Quote: Amurets
        Nevertheless, a moratorium on the death penalty in Russia allows the country to act more freely in the international arena.

        You stop carrying crap. Do you think the USA and China go sideways in the international arena? With the introduction of the death penalty for the commission of certain crimes, you can not really worry about the further employment of those who are involved in corruption or simply guilty of high treason or, say, involved in a coup in 1993 ...
        And then, somehow, the moment of the formation of a new Russia and the establishment of capitalism "at the request of the working people" is quickly forgotten.
        All laws in Russia were adopted for the sake of a certain group of people, which simply could not exist in the legal field of Soviet laws.
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      afraid of introducing the current leadership, because itself and all the big businessmen, “masters of life” will be the first in the loop

      Well, this is unlikely, because they need to be convicted and judged for this, but the question arises: "Who are the judges?" So that
      Quote: Military Builder
      public request
      will not be executed under this authority.
  • Dmitry Potapov 4 October 2019 06: 10 New
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    That's right, hanging is the same for scum! (Do not confuse with suicide!). As for the "white generals" who essentially betrayed Russia, this is an example for those who consider the tsarist regime in Russia to be white and fluffy and the October Revolution, I do not argue scum enough everywhere, but it’s one thing to disagree with the government and another to fight on the side one who wants to destroy your homeland.
    1. Ezekiel 25-17 4 October 2019 06: 40 New
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      Russia was betrayed by the Bolsheviks and comrades, but for some reason they were not hanged, and "de ure" they deserved this execution.
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        Quote: Ezekiel 25-17
        Russia was betrayed by the Bolsheviks and comrades, but for some reason they were not hanged, and "de ure" they deserved this execution.

        You will now be bogged down by people who have no habit of turning their heads on and for whom the Soviet government is the peacefully tapping secretary general. And who doesn’t give a damn about the millions of victims as a result of this Bolshevik coup, hunger, repression, and damn even the fact that the majority of the country's population did not have passports by the end of the 50s, working for wands! After all, they did not bring sacrifices, they are the descendants of those who survived. Well, the fact that your people were going to bring to the furnace of the world revolution do not give a damn !!!! And thank God that, as a result, a man with the mind of a statesman entered the stage! And that would still be arranged revolution in Africa!
      2. Alexey RA 4 October 2019 11: 07 New
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        Quote: Ezekiel 25-17
        Russia was betrayed by the Bolsheviks and comrades, but for some reason they were not hanged, and "de ure" they deserved this execution.

        In fact, even earlier Russia was betrayed by its own military and industrial "elite", which organized a revolution at the height of the war and ruined the army with its actions. In a desire to sit between all the chairs, she either supported the provisions of the infamous Order No. 1, or threatened to return the death penalty to the front. As a result, by summer, discipline in army units had fallen so much that the next major offensive failed because most of its members failed to appear. And by the fall, the current government could not gather troops even to protect his beloved from the performance of Kornilov directed by him. And in order to stay in power, they were forced to turn to the Soviets and arm the illegal armed groups of their main political adversary, also known as the Red Guard.
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          The elite did not betray anyone, just Tsar Nicholas was a reptiloid, in collusion with his German family of reptilians, he organized a meaningless massacre, from which there was nothing good for people but hunger and cemeteries. People saw this sorted out and suggested instead of war to arrange a revolution with fraternities, not only in Russia, but throughout Europe. As a result, soldiers were officers on their faces, bayonets to the ground, and throughout Europe, because there are no fools to die for reptilians. We switched to the model of civil war when only those who want to fight are fighting, thus the most useless people for society, executioners, sadists and others, killed each other, and not ordinary people. And already in the second world reptilians they sent Hitler to the land, and in order to resist it people were forced to copy the methods of the reptilians from the concentration camps of the Gestapo and other nasty things. In response, people came up with nuclear weapons so that the future Hitler could not draw entire nations into slaughter, and missiles, with which you can burn any reptiloid anywhere in the world.
      3. Sugar Honeyovich 4 October 2019 14: 40 New
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        They didn’t hang a little, they, the Bolsheviks, thanks to the idea of ​​ending the war, received massive support in the Russian army and in Russia in general. From privates to generals inclusive.
    2. Anatole Klim 4 October 2019 07: 06 New
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      Quote: Dmitry Potapov
      That's right, hanging is the same for scum!

      Hanging from ancient times was considered a shameful execution, warriors believed that it was better to die from a sword, spear, arrow, bullet than to be hanged. It was believed that when hanging the soul can not leave the body, the loop holds it, and Judas hanged himself and execution by hanging is an execution for traitors and scoundrels. And of course, when hanging, the muscles relax and the intestine and bladder become emptied, which causes disgust to the corpse. The criminals at the Nuremberg trials requested that they be shot, but were hanged. That's right ..
      1. garri-lin 4 October 2019 13: 54 New
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        If you add that there are many ways to hang, then with the right entry it is a sight for the watchers.
    3. Pedrodepackes 4 October 2019 09: 11 New
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      I do not argue scum enough everywhere, but it is one thing to disagree with the authorities and another to fight on the side of the one who wants to destroy your homeland.

      yes, that’s how it helped Ulyanov, who responded to the nickname Lenin, and his henchmen to achieve their goals, although they also fought on the side of the enemies, albeit not in the trenches.
    4. azkolt 4 October 2019 09: 25 New
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      Your logic is Dmitry Iron!)))))) Since Krasnov collaborated with the Germans, the “tsarist regime” was not white and fluffy, and therefore the October Revolution cannot be considered a coup!))))) True, Vlasov was a Soviet general, and so, following your logic, the Soviet regime was not white and fluffy, which means that you can consider a revolution as a coup, so what? Well, porridge in your head!
  • cobalt 4 October 2019 06: 10 New
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    The Decree itself in the text is small, but very concise and understandable, here both the Criminal Code and the Code of Criminal Procedure and PEC, everything immediately fit on 1 sheet. They knew how to write documents before, no water.
  • Ros 56 4 October 2019 07: 15 New
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    Traitors do not deserve anything else but the gallows. They even shoot zapadlo, only dirty weapons of war. This also applies to current ones.
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      It is a pity that landing on a stake was not introduced.
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        Ejo is already tin and medieval. Believe me, if correctly hanged, then there can be no less torment.
  • igordok 4 October 2019 07: 38 New
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    The article does not talk about the execution of German officers on the Maidan in Kiev 29 January 1946g. presented in the first photo.
    1. sergevl 5 October 2019 08: 52 New
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      Grandfather stood in a cordon in 1947 in Kiev on Kalinin Square, European Square, the policemen were hanging, one of them was a minor at the time of the war, received a term, the rest were hanged, the cordon was to protect the crowd from the gallows.
  • CommanderDIVA 4 October 2019 08: 40 New
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    According to Vlasov, there is a version about his transfer to the camp of the enemy under the guise of a traitor personally by Stalin in order to control the army of our prisoners of war, this is described in the book "The Privy Councilor of the Leader", General Pannvits had the opportunity to save the British from him, but historians attribute the words to him "I fought with these people I’m going to die with them. "This is a worthy man’s deed, and the British handed over the Cossacks to our families together with their families. I don’t think that they let everyone under the knife
    1. Glory1974 4 October 2019 09: 03 New
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      According to Vlasov, there is a version about his transfer to the enemy camp under the guise of a traitor personally by Stalin in order to control the army of our prisoners of war,

      To do this, had to ditch an entire army in the Leningrad forests? Doubtful version.
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        Quote: glory1974
        According to Vlasov, there is a version about his transfer to the enemy camp under the guise of a traitor personally by Stalin in order to control the army of our prisoners of war,

        To do this, had to ditch an entire army in the Leningrad forests? Doubtful version.

        At one time, this version was popular in the liberal and yellow press of the early 2000s.
  • Olgovich 4 October 2019 08: 42 New
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    neither chopping off the head, as in the Middle East, was practiced.


    And in Pyatigorsk in 1918, what was the hostages being cut into the cemetery on the orders of the Commander-in-Chief Sorokin? Moreover, people were eager in line to chop off their heads to the one who chopped off with one blow.

    Concerning the hang: hanged and Nazi criminals after Nuremberg.
    1. BAI
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      Well, the "white knights" under the Germans completely recouped. And just like that - for the amusement of the Germans.
      1. Olgovich 4 October 2019 11: 20 New
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        Quote: BAI
        Well, the "white knights" at

        What does it mean ... white? belay

        The ordinary PEOPLE treated in Pyatigorsk, who had nothing to do with the white or the bluish, were cut down. BY ORDER OF POWER.
        1. Serg koma 4 October 2019 18: 14 New
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          Quote: Olgovich
          The ordinary PEOPLE treated in Pyatigorsk, who had nothing to do with the white or the bluish, were cut down. BY ORDER OF POWER.

          “The soldiers of Semenov and Kalmykov, being under the protection of the Japanese troops, flooded the country like wild animals, beat and robbed the people. In Eastern Siberia, terrible murders were committed, but they were not committed by the Bolsheviks, as was usually thought. I will not be mistaken if I say that in Eastern Siberia for every person killed by the Bolsheviks, there were 100 people killed by anti-Bolshevik elements ”- William Greves is an American general.
          “The degenerates who arrived from the detachment boast that during punitive expeditions they gave the Bolsheviks to be slaughtered by the Chinese, having previously cut the prisoners' tendons under their knees (“ so as not to run away ”); they also boast that they buried the Bolsheviks alive, with the bottom of the pit covered with entrails released from the buried places (“so that it would be softer”) ... ”- Minister of the Kolchak Government Baron A. Budberg
          "... Under the protection of Czechoslovak bayonets, the local Russian military authorities allow themselves actions that are horrified by the entire civilized world. The burning of villages, the beating of peaceful Russian citizens by the hundreds, the shooting of representatives of democracy without trial on a simple suspicion of political unreliability is a common occurrence, and the responsibility for everything before the court of the peoples of the whole world lies with us: why, having military force, did not oppose this lawlessness. ..."- Political leaders of the Czechoslovak corps B. Paul and V. Girs, Irkutsk, November 13, 1919.
          1. Olgovich 5 October 2019 09: 21 New
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            Quote: Serg Koma
            they also boast that they buried the Bolsheviks alive, with the bottom of the pit covered with entrails released from the buried places (“so that it would be softer”) ... ”- Minister of the Kolchak Government Baron A. Budberg

            Brudberg:
            At the request of the admiral, he told him his impressions of the Harbin and Vladivostok military, political and public life; expressed his credo that atamans and atamanism are the most dangerous pitfalls on our path to the restoration of statehood and that it is necessary to exert all efforts, but to achieve that either force the chieftains to switch to a legal position and sincerely lie down on the course of general state work, or break them mercilessly, without stopping at anything.

            The admiral replied that he had already begun this struggle long ago, but he was powerless to do anything with Semenov, for the latter was supported by the Japanese, and the allies resolutely refused to intervene in this matter and help the admiral; however, Kolchak emphasized that not only Japanese military representatives, but also the Japanese government stood up for Semenov.

            I reiterated to the admiral my belief in the need once and for all resolve the ataman question and expressed his view that the only outcome would be an official appeal to all allies to protest against the behavior of Japan, supporting a clear rebel who does not recognize the power of the Omsk governmentwhich undermines its authority and instills in its violence and ugliness hatred of the government and sympathy for the Bolsheviks

            What's not clear?
            Regarding the atrocities: read S.P. Melgunov. The Red Terror in Russia. If the hair does not stand on end ...
            1. Serg koma 5 October 2019 13: 36 New
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              Quote: Olgovich
              The Red Terror in Russia

              White terror you probably think was absent as such ... Red bad, white fluffy.
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                Quote: Serg Koma
                White terror you probably think was absent as such ... Red bad, white fluffy.

                was, of course, the answer.
                The future whites were before the thief in power and there was NO terror at all.
                And the red terror as it appeared after the VOR never ended and after gr. war.
                1. Serg koma 6 October 2019 05: 37 New
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                  was of course the answer

                  Well - everyone remains (as before) in their position (for reference: my historical homeland is Altai and Western Siberia, so that the "initial" knowledge of the topic is from the original sources). I think that our polemic, except for a bunch of posts about the civil war, will not add anything significant to the topic. - until new “meetings” ( tongue )
                  PS For a dispute with an opponent, do not minus. hi
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                    Quote: Serg Koma
                    Well - everyone remains (as before) in their position (for reference: my historical homeland is Altai and Western Siberia, so that the "initial" knowledge of the topic from the original sources)

                    Not your primary sources, but the lies of power, for which the worst famine in the history of mankind (1933) simply did not exist in their parallel reality ..
                    Just think on the FACT of the fact that before the Thief, there have never been any such terror in the history of Russia. hi
                    1. Serg koma 6 October 2019 07: 44 New
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                      Quote: Olgovich
                      Before the Thief, there have never been any such terror in the history of Russia.

                      Your untruth ... The terror of power in relation to citizens has always been at the service of those in power - from economic to physical.
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      Not your primary sources, but the lies of power

                      And where does the power and the source come from?
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      The worst famine in the history of mankind (1933) - simply did not exist
                      Are you sure about that? Or, when the anointed one, the world was different and hunger was absent as such? Ask yourself the question - "What the hell are millions of peasants (a very settled population by occupation), having abandoned the graves of their ancestors, moved to Siberia?" (examples of Ermak, Khabarov, Dezhnev, etc. please do not consider), is it only for Stolypin's rubles ?. I have the ORIGINAL of initial knowledge - and you have the "experts" of the white movement.

                      The table is still far from 1861 and before the Stolypin reforms.
                      1. Olgovich 6 October 2019 09: 49 New
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                        Quote: Serg Koma
                        Your untruth ... The terror of power in relation to citizens has always been at the service of those in power - from economic to physical.

                        Common words ....
                        SUCH power atrocities have never been. Do you remember that there were several times more victims of the World War II thief than World victims the war?
                        Quote: Serg Koma
                        And where does the power and the source come from?

                        WHO invented and printed this "source"?
                        Quote: Serg Koma
                        Are you sure about that?

                        I know it. If you delve into the history of world hunger, you will find it comparable to ours in 1933 in India, China, Pakistan of the NINETEENTH century, and China in 60 of the last century. But ANYWHERE, for such a period and for such a population, so many people - did not die. And in Russia, this was never in sight.
                        Quote: Serg Koma
                        Ask yourself the question - "What the hell are millions of peasants (a very settled population by occupation), having abandoned the graves of their ancestors, moved to Siberia?"

                        What is there to ask yourself if the answer is known a long time ago: in European Russia there was 40 million OVER rural population.
                        I have a Polar Star in 1907 with an article: “WHERE TO GET THE LAND ?!”, in which an increase of 2,5–3 million per annum is ascertained, the output is an increased resettlement to Siberia, in particular, to Altai.
                        Much has happened: the resettled men plowed on horses almost as much as the entire tractor USSR on the virgin lands.

                        The resettlement, building up of Russians was also taking place in Wed. Asia, the Caucasus, Transcaucasia (Aznrbai).
                        The last relocation tickets were canceled by Lenin.

                        Family of Russian immigrants, 1912, The Hungry Steppe, in the Russian settlement of Mugan Baku provinces
                        Quote: Serg Koma
                        I have the ORIGINAL of initial knowledge - and you "experts " white movement.

                        belay ORIGINS - a source of knowledge.
                        By the way, your table is conscientious.
  • Million 4 October 2019 08: 47 New
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    I think hanging is very popular today. Especially for politicians and corrupt officials. A good example will best cool their heads.
  • Stirbjorn 4 October 2019 08: 51 New
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    On January 16, 1947, Krasnov, Shkuro, Domanov, Sultan-Girey Klych, and von Pannwitz were hanged on the territory of the Lefortovo Prison by court order.

    Thus, Ataman Semenov was the only one of the defendants who was sentenced to hang and hanged on August 30, 1946.
    Olgovich needs to be shown, otherwise he likes to spread obituaries about the repressed red commanders, in defiance of the white "heroes-patriots"
    1. Whispering in the night 4 October 2019 14: 11 New
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      Olgovich needs to be shown, otherwise he likes to spread obituaries about the repressed red commanders, in defiance of the white "heroes-patriots"

      In this case, there are no white or red ones, there are just traitors and Hitler's litter, and it does not matter who they were before their betrayal, white or red (which the Germans also had).
  • Undecim 4 October 2019 09: 11 New
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    If the author decided to cover such a question as the application in the USSR of types of criminal punishment that were not provided for by the requirements of official normative legal acts of that time, then penal servitude provided for by the same Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR “On Punitive Measures for Nazi Germany” should be mentioned "villains guilty of murders and tortures of the Soviet civilian population and captured Red Army soldiers for spies, traitors to the motherland."
    The hard labor was provided for in the second article of the Decree only for accomplices of Hitler’s war criminals convicted of reprisals and violence against civilians and captured Red Army soldiers for a period of 15 to 20 years.
    In accordance with the Decree, hard labor departments were organized: in Vorkuta camp - for 10 people for use in the construction of new coal mines and underground work in existing coal mines; Norilsk camp - for 000 people to work in mines, mines, quarries and brick factories; Sevvostlage (Dalstroy) - for 10 people.
    In view of the special economic need, the priority dispatch of convicts suitable for work should have been carried out at the Norilag NKVD of the USSR.
    Given the conditions of maintenance and work (in Norlag, the production rate is 1,5 tons of ore per shift for 11 hours), no one lived to the end of the term. For the entire time this Decree was applied until the end of World War II, more than 29 people were convicted of hard labor.
    By the way, modern international law does not condemn hard labor, in contrast to the death penalty.
  • BAI
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    1. Dogs - dog death. Although this can not be said about the hanged Germans.
    2. The author said nothing about Odessa, on April 10, 1944. I don’t give a photo, the moderators will again ban.
  • Igor Borisov_2 4 October 2019 10: 02 New
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    Now there is also a public request, but the current leadership is afraid to introduce it, because itself and all the big businessmen, the “masters of life” will be the first in the loop

    Yes, not afraid, but unties his hands. "The death penalty in Russia existed until 1999. At present, the institution of killing as a punishment has been stopped. For almost twenty years this state of affairs has caused serious debate and disagreement.
    Nevertheless, a moratorium on the death penalty in Russia allows the country to act more freely in the international arena. In a sense, refusing to take lives is a fee for the right to speak on equal terms with more developed countries. The latter at the legislative level have long secured the right of every person to life, regardless of behavior and danger to society. "

    Source: https://pravonarushenie.com/otvetstvennost-i-nakazanie/vidy/smertnaya-kazn-v-rossii

    And why do not we do as in the United States in which the death penalty is allowed in certain states? Introduce the death penalty in a single region and bring in the nonhumans who deserve it ....
    1. Rzzz 4 October 2019 14: 31 New
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      Given how law enforcement and the judiciary work for us, the return of the death penalty will have dire consequences. There will be something like the 30s.
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      In those states where execution is permitted, it is permitted only for criminals who have committed a crime in that state.
  • gorenina91 4 October 2019 10: 02 New
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    -And why the Germans are so little to hang ... -After all, the "SS prisoners" could send everyone to the gallows. ??? -Or they just "did not live out" to the gallows ...
    1. Sergey M. Karasev 4 October 2019 18: 42 New
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      Did not live out. To take prisoners of our SS men was considered bad form. Guderian, in Memoirs of a Soldier, complained that tankers were mistaken for SS men because of their black uniforms. destroyed on the spot, not taken prisoner.
  • garri-lin 4 October 2019 13: 58 New
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    Judging by the photo, the most humane way of execution was applied to the hanged. Thin rope, slipping knot. Not long tormented.
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      Quote: garri-lin
      Judging by the photo, the most humane way of execution was applied to the hanged. Thin rope, slipping knot. Not long tormented.

      I wouldn’t think so.
      Perhaps this is not the most painful kind of hanging, but still, asphyxia is not the most "pleasant" type of death.

      The Anglo-American way is considered more "humane."



      With this method, the death of the condemned comes from a fracture of the cervical vertebrae, when falling a couple of meters down, and not from suffocation.

      Threat. Pictured is US Army sergeant John Woods, who executed the death sentence of the Nuremberg Tribunal against Nazi criminals.
      1. garri-lin 5 October 2019 03: 46 New
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        Such a node seems to be called English gliding. Regarding asphyxia, I agree, not a pleasant death. But the thin rope is the transmitted blood vessels. And quick death. Minute. Maybe less. While in photographs of the revenge of the execution of partisans or partisan accomplices, you can often see a fixed node. With a knot at the back of the head. A completely different death. And if the legs reached the ground, then the torment could last for hours. Dumpyu The Soviet people acted with traitors extremely humane.
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    Who and why they hung in the Soviet Union

    Now they are rewarding for this!
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    you can not use state symbols for private purposes ... and on the photo of the grave of Vlasov the Flag of Russia!

    And tell me under what flag he betrayed.
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    Quote: for

    And tell me under what flag he betrayed.

    Under the flag with a swastika he betrayed. And there is no need to hint at the tricolor, it has nothing to do with it, at that time there was no state with such a flag in the world, therefore it was a meaningless faceless piece of matter.
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    For me, there’s no reason to bother with any scum, into the ravine and from the machine gun
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      easier to dispose of by dissolving in acid, without residue.
  • Lexus 4 October 2019 21: 57 New
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    Who and why they hung in the Soviet Union

    Now it became obvious to all sane people that they were clearly undersigned.
  • Ryaruav 4 October 2019 22: 49 New
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    dogs, dog's death, okay, whites, but Vlasov, carbyshev, is a Russian with a capital letter
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    JUDGING THROUGHOUT A LITTLE LITTLE FRAWERS !!!! wink
  • Thanks to the author for the article. Clearly, clearly, competently. From myself I will add about hanging. The well-known traitor to the Motherland is waiting for him when he is hanged for the collapse of the USSR state. How not to deceive his expectations? In general, work is an endless land .... If God once grants Russian power to Russia
  • iouris 6 October 2019 00: 00 New
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    And who is still marching in Riga, in Lviv or in Kiev?
  • Pavel skaletski 6 October 2019 23: 45 New
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    It was fun now to bore such a brave day with fire not to find.
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    It is clear that at least how many advocates of the return of the death penalty are now clear that the "requests of the workers" should not be quoted. There were hardly fewer of them in those days.
    It was also good to look at the Criminal Code of the USSR before writing the article. There, in the section on punishments, it was black and white that hanging is allowed in cases of treason against the motherland.
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    It will be necessary to hang up those who killed the inhabitants of New Russia, raped young girls and blew building foam into the genital organs, and those who in Russia (Russia) sympathize with Bandera and are happy when the Russians are killed, and also help Bandera financially.