Ukrainian Vіyskova analysis creates and destroys enemies

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Habitual questions


For several years now I have been hearing from the readers the same question in different ways. “What do they smoke there?” What kind of idiot must be in order to make such a decision? ”This is about the decisions of the military and political leadership of Ukraine. It began with the appearance of the first boilers in the Donbass, where they grind the APU and punitive in hundreds, and still does not end there.





The questions became so familiar that they were simply tired of answering. It would be clear if there were no Soviet military schools and academies behind the senior officers and generals of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Navy. Then blame obvious mistakes and blunders of decisions could be due to lack of education. But at the beginning of his military career, these were Soviet officers. So what is going on? And why in the near future I will have to hear such questions and comments even more often?

Today, fairly young people have come to power in Ukraine, who simply, due to their age, cannot have Soviet specialized education. From this we can conclude that they will make decisions on military issues based on the opinions of military experts and analysts. One of the examples of modern military analytics in Ukraine today we will try to understand. Moreover, the text of this note is, according to some reports, on the tables of deputies of the Verkhovna Rada.

It will be about missile defense of Ukraine and its ability to withstand the attack of Russian short and medium-range missiles. The document is serious, so please take it seriously.

In August 2019, the INF Treaty expired, which naturally raises a reasonable question for the Ukrainian leadership: is Russia capable of breaking through Ukraine’s air defense and missile defense in case of an attack? Does Ukraine have the necessary potential for its own protection?

Why Russia is ready to attack Ukraine and what it has


Traditionally for Ukraine, the analysis begins with a veiled story about the meanness and cruelty of the Russian military:
“Russia did not particularly limit itself in the use of missile weapons, which was on the verge of being permitted. So, for example, the facts of the use of missiles by Russia in the civil war in Syria to destroy the combat units of the "Free Syrian Army" were repeatedly recorded, which many times killed a large number of civilians.


It is clear that “going to Europe” taught Ukrainians to believe only in Western propaganda. And consider the Western, and preferably American, point of view the only true one. Even in the absence of any evidence. It is useless to argue about this. And do not re-educate adults. Leopard change his spots.

Read on. What does Russia have at the moment for an attack on Ukraine? First of all, it is the Iskander operational-tactical missile system 9K720, which is capable of hitting targets at a distance from 50 to 2000 kilometers.

“According to open sources, as of 2019, the Russian Federation is armed with about 120 OTR Iskander.


No less formidable weapons are the air-launched missiles X-55 (developed by the USSR) and X-101 (developed by the Russian Federation), which are armed with the Tu-160 and Tu-95MS strategic bombers. A large number of missiles is compensated by a small number of carriers (aircraft).

By the way, Ukraine played a big role in arming the Russian army with X-55 missiles! It is thanks to the peace-loving policy of Ukraine that Russia received 575 X-55 missiles in payment of gas supplies in the 1999 year.

I think readers understood that it was Ukraine that in many ways “spawned” the current power of the Russian army. Handed over nuclear weaponrockets handed over. Suddenly? Maybe. But how warm the soul to Ukrainian nationalists, who already understand that it is impossible to return the industrial, and, therefore, military power to Ukraine. Another tale about the excavated Black Sea.

The enemy will not pass! Sleep well, Ukrainians


It is clear that “a full list of missile weapons of the Armed Forces of Ukraine cannot be provided for reasons of secrecy. Ukraine’s missile defense and air defense are on combat duty today and are defending objects, "a list of which we also cannot provide for the same reasons.

Do not smile. It is precisely such motivation for the refusals of the deputies of the Rada and senior officials for our southern neighbor - the norm. If there is nothing to show, then the best thing is to classify information. We have it, but only those who are supposed to know about it. But back to the analytics.

So, most of the APU missile and anti-aircraft weapons are the S-300PT, S-300PS, S-300В1 and Buk-M1 systems. In the process of repair are no less powerful complexes "Cube" and "Tor". Ukrainian scientists today are solving the problem of increasing the speed and range of missiles for these complexes. (By the way, annually it is reported that these missiles are about to be tested or even armed.)

An analytical note mentions one fact that can explain the use of the Buk to destroy a civilian aircraft.

“According to the Russian concern Almaz-Antey, Ukraine has a sufficiently large stock of missiles for this complex. This is 991 rocket 9М38М1 and 502 rockets 9М38 »

(According to Ukrainian sources.)

The APU pays special attention to the deep modernization of the S-125 Pechora air defense system. Ukrainian gunsmiths have already been able to equate this complex to medium-range air defense systems (!), Increasing the firing range from 18 to 40 kilometers!

In addition to the weapons listed above, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are actively arming themselves with other systems: OSA-AKM, Strela-10, self-propelled ZSU-23-4 Shilka and 2K22 Tunguska. All these systems are being restored and used by the Ukrainian army quite actively.

As can be seen from what is listed in the note, Ukraine has forgotten how to produce something serious. All the power of missile defense and anti-aircraft defense of the Armed Forces is nothing more than the traditional devouring of the Soviet heritage for this country. But for an ignorant person, all these beautiful names sound menacing.

Why Russian planes are not afraid of Ukrainian air defense


Russians experienced the power of Ukrainian air defense during the conflict in 2008. When the Georgian army, with little or no experience in using the Bukov handed over by Ukraine (according to Russian sources, along with trained crews), according to various sources, destroyed from 4 to 8 Russian aircraft.

Unlike inexperienced Georgians, Ukrainian soldiers and officers have experience in the combat use of systems. The Armed Forces of Ukraine constantly participate in exercises, conduct training and practice shooting. Crew training is conducted taking into account the combat experience of countering Russia in Georgia and Syria.

Output. The Armed Forces of Ukraine possess sufficient means to repulse the attack of Russia at least in the capital, large cities and infrastructure. And considering that the Russian armed forces for attack are limited by the need to defend their own facilities in other regions, an attack on Ukraine is not planned in the near future.

Why do you need to scare to calm


Reading these opuses of “experts” and “analysts”, one involuntarily asks the question: why? Why do you need to first create the image of an aggressive neighbor, ready at any moment to start a war, and then "powerfully defeat him."

In the Ukrainian media today this word is very often used: "powerful." Everything connected with anti-Russian actions not only in one’s own country, but also in other countries, is necessarily “powerful”. “The United States imposed powerful sanctions against Russia”, “Ukraine powerfully responded to ...”, “Schoolchildren powerfully held a drawing contest against the war in the Donbass ...”

The popularity of the Ukrainian army today, to put it mildly, is not very. In Kiev alone, military commissariats sent more than 30 000 requests to the police to search for draft draftees. In these conditions, it is necessary to create in society an illusion of one’s own security and the ability to destroy any enemy in a short time.

This is clear to everyone. It is not clear another. Why supply such “analytical” notes to those on whom the fate of the state directly depends? Why lie to deputies, officials, their own military? The agony of the state? Maybe. But another explanation is closer to me. Ukrainians need to be accustomed to the idea that war with Russia is inevitable.

The task is actually not as difficult as it seems. In recent years, the whole planet has been taught to calmly accept talk about the use of nuclear weapons, about the third world war, about the right of a strong state to dictate its own conditions and requirements to weaker ones. Let's look at the development of events ...
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  1. +5
    4 October 2019 15: 05
    ,, Ukraine ,, and ,, humor ,, - words are synonyms.
    1. +1
      5 October 2019 09: 54
      In no way .. Everything is adult and thorough. Sandbox game in a madhouse.
      1. 0
        10 October 2019 20: 09
        No madhouse, this is a clear and balanced policy to start a war.
    2. -2
      6 October 2019 00: 05
      Moscow has created the Russian Federation, and around the Russian Federation Moscow has created "sworn" friends to interfere with the transit of gas and host American bases. Is it funny? Not at all.
  2. +4
    4 October 2019 15: 26
    For several years now I have been hearing from the readers the same question in different ways. “What do they smoke there?” What kind of idiot must be to make such a decision? ”

    Absolutely correctly posed question. Unfortunately, the author has not yet given an answer. drinks
  3. HAM
    +6
    4 October 2019 15: 30
    Powerfully Ukraine is at war, Russia has not come to war for five years, everything is going ... lol
    1. +6
      4 October 2019 16: 43
      Quote: HAM
      Powerfully Ukraine is fighting,

      It is a pity that they do not know that:
      Quote: HAM
      Russia has not come to war for five years,

      God punished them in full - deprived of reason.
      But no mind, consider a cripple.
      It does not matter for them whether Russia is at war with them or not, without a war with her, Ukraine loses its entire meaning of its existence and simply falls apart. Russophobia is the only thing that keeps their state from collapse, that's why this is their choice, their path, their fate, and the flag (zhovto-blakitny) in their hands a drum on their neck, and let them scratch to beg begging for scraps in the "ZU" position from the master table.
      Life is still not so rotten. Good luck to them in their illusions, and reality itself will put everything in its place. hi
  4. +5
    4 October 2019 15: 38
    it makes no sense to look for logic in some of their statements. this is the level they are capable of now. Well, they can’t do better!) To analyze their statements is like understanding the logic of my two-year-old daughter when she is sitting in the game room and for some reason she’s beating her mother’s slipper on the floor) Well, why?))) and most importantly is very puffed and angry when I bother her) here it is the same)
    1. 0
      7 October 2019 20: 01
      Pancake! I would have your problems! You would try a three-year-old cat to educate. He understands everything, but has his own opinion and sneeze on others. Heroam sala)))))
  5. +2
    4 October 2019 15: 50
    It is clear that “going to Europe” taught Ukrainians to believe only in Western propaganda. And consider the Western, and preferably American, point of view the only true one. Even in the absence of any evidence.
    That the West and Ukraine have one point of view, and it is not surprising, since both do not have their point of view (they have no right to have it). They have the right only to express the point of view of the owners from across the ocean. Departure from this point of view is impossible, because it is punished cruelly. And what if someone thinks that all these limitrophes and small states, and large ones have their own point of view, do not believe, this is just a deception or just want to show our importance, that is how proud and cool we are, but in reality everything is like a soap bubble " zilch "and only foam remains ..
    1. +1
      5 October 2019 00: 19
      Quote: tihonmarine
      They have the right only to express the point of view of the hosts from across the ocean. Deviation from the indicated point of view is impossible, because it is punished cruelly.

      Very cruel. The worst punishment for them is not even depriving the handouts, but reducing the handouts, even the most beggarly.
      1. +3
        5 October 2019 09: 39
        Quote: Amurets
        The worst punishment for them is not even depriving the handouts, but reducing the handouts, even the most beggarly.

        I feed my dog ​​dog food, but occasionally I give meat, when he does not fulfill my commands, I deprive him of meat (cruelly), after that I myself feel sorry for him to watch, how he spreads before me, how he looks faithfully into my eyes (it happens and forgive, sorry). But the Yankees will not regret it.
        1. +1
          5 October 2019 09: 42
          Quote: tihonmarine
          But the Yankees will not regret it.

          That's for sure, and may not forgive for a long time.
  6. +2
    4 October 2019 16: 05
    And what kind of document did the author analyze?
    And then he did not write in the best traditions of modern journalism that it was ....
    1. +4
      4 October 2019 16: 39
      There is such an Internet resource - "Correspondent", a "free Internet platform", a kind of collector where all sorts of information streams flow and where anyone who wants to, declaring himself a military expert, even an Indian maharajah, can acquaint the world with his vision. The analyzed "document" is from there and of this kind. If interested "https://blogs.korrespondent.net/blog/world/4145104/".
      1. +3
        4 October 2019 16: 58
        Thank you for looking at the "source".
        Funny in the article that is analyzed, the author himself does not call himself an expert, nor an analyst, much less belonging to the authorities - in general, nothing that Staver actually ascribes to him-
        Today, fairly young people have come to power in Ukraine, who simply, due to their age, cannot have Soviet specialized education. From this we can conclude that they will make decisions on military issues based on the opinions of military experts and analysts. One of the examples of modern military analytics in Ukraine today we will try to understand.

        But even more amusing is that, judging by the flags in the comments, no one in Ukraine was interested in this "analyst" (and there are clearly no tables of Rada deputies there.
        But in Russia, is another matter. Maybe the author was mistaken, and the note is on the tables of deputies of the State Duma? smile
        1. +2
          4 October 2019 22: 33
          Quote: Avior
          But even more amusing is that, judging by the flags in the comments, no one in Ukraine was interested in this "analyst" (and there are clearly no tables of Rada deputies there.

          I learned only from the commentary the original source, and "analysis" - "analysis" from this hmmm .. article (I can't call it an article, I want to say bluntly a stereotyped agitation of information war)
          Honestly, I have been reading VO for a long time. And this analytics that Staver is trying to attribute to some kind of popularity, inadequacy (extending it to the whole country), stupidity and so on .. So
          There are excellent articles on air defense at the Military Review.
          So on the pages of VO wrote about the same, only in more detail.
          The main theses on missiles and air defense of Ukraine. About density, saturation, problems and solutions.
          And I still remember that VO wrote about the density of air defense for the airborne forces, as well as the availability of prepared calculations. But vulnerability to missiles (Iskander) was also written a lot. In Ukrainian analytics, emphasis is also placed on the weakness of air defense specifically for them. In response, it is proposed to expedite work on Thunder 2 and Alder. For there are no analogues and, accordingly, there is no way to respond.
          But then again we (that Ukrainians are Russians) make a mistake about the fact that Russia and Ukraine are alone on this planet and, accordingly, consider everything only through the prism of the capabilities of Ukraine and the Russian Federation (incorrectly but at times distinguishable by the power and status of the state)
          And the world is too interconnected for rocket attacks by fairly powerful complexes to begin here in the center of Europe. (After Kramatorsk it’s clear that they can bring shellings to large cities)
          So there are excellent articles with analytical calculations on the air defense of Ukraine in the military.
          I read analytics in Ukrainian sources as well, they are very close to articles on VO (the same arguments)
          but what am I talking about ...
          The task of the "Informants" in such articles is not at all the same. The task is to sew more hats.
          The enemy is weak, insane and stupid.
          Once Suvorov ordered to write more busurman, and now the task is to write about the enemy's condition as badly as possible in order to evoke positive emotions in his own. But Suvorov achieved his goal. And modern "analysts" achieve opposite goals.
      2. +1
        4 October 2019 22: 26
        Found an even more fun moment.
        The author tried so hard to analyze Ukrainian analytics that the Ukrainian made the headline.
        And the source is in Russian! ....
        1. 0
          4 October 2019 22: 29
          This is such a dietary supplement. To better absorb.
  7. +1
    4 October 2019 16: 09
    And then, it’s especially successful for banderlogs to shoot down passenger planes. Nothing, the debt is red, the little bench is already being prepared in court.
    1. +2
      4 October 2019 16: 24
      Only after our saboteurs are seated on this little bench))
    2. +1
      4 October 2019 16: 33
      Exactly 18 years ago, a fatal error led to the fact that during the exercises, the Ukrainian military shot down a Tu-154 flying from Tel Aviv to Novosibirsk. All who were on board the Russian plane died. How the tragedy occurred and about the cynical attitude towards it from Kiev. On October 4, 2001, exactly 18 years ago, the Tu-154 flew from Novosibirsk to Tel Aviv. At that time, 66 passengers and 12 crew members were on board. After about 1 hour 45 minutes, they will all die as a result of a fatal mistake made by the Ukrainian military during the exercises.
  8. -1
    4 October 2019 16: 31
    When people have a “blow” in their head, then both analytics and power are the same as in the article. laughing
  9. +3
    4 October 2019 16: 45
    Like a whacky woman. While her husband was in the bathroom, she asked something, she answered something, she had a fight when he left the bathroom, it turned out that she had already divorced him.
  10. 0
    4 October 2019 16: 51
    Alexander hi this music is from the same ballet, namely, pumping the common man's brain with any information showing the "belligerence and aggressiveness" of Russia. Ukroinu is de facto being prepared for the inevitability of a war against Russia. Alas, there will be such a war, and if in the 14th year we suppressed the Maidan, or "helped" the collapse of the ukroine, much would have gone completely differently. Now we are laughing with them, and five years later, when they destroy the entire Russianness in themselves, they themselves will go to war against Russia.
    1. 0
      6 October 2019 18: 42
      Even a short wait is left. In 2021, Russia is waiting for a big surprise. Everything has already been planned, key people at their posts in Russia. Preparation ends.
  11. 0
    4 October 2019 17: 38
    This is clear to everyone. It is not clear another. Why supply such “analytical” notes to those on whom the fate of the state directly depends? Why lie to deputies, officials, their own military? The agony of the state?

    Alexander, the same is with us. Either Medvedev is surprised at the low level of medicine in Sakhalin, or what other deputy prices are in the store.
    They all lie. The whole question is for what purpose.
    PS In the USA it is called "lobbying". This is not only "kickbacks" and "gifts", but also the presentation of information from a certain angle.
  12. 0
    4 October 2019 17: 46
    Shoals hammer, and then fantasize, or vice versa. It doesn’t matter, fantasies are spreading in all directions.
  13. +2
    4 October 2019 19: 19
    But the Maydanovites know that the Kh-55 rocket was created by designer Seleznev and created it in the Moscow region?
  14. 0
    4 October 2019 19: 28
    They get along fine with them .... they hate the USSR and the Communists, they even issued a law on Decommunization, but they love the land that they got from the Communists, and they love and use Soviet military equipment.
  15. 0
    4 October 2019 22: 58
    One of the examples of modern military analytics in Ukraine today we will try to understand. Moreover, the text of this note is, according to some reports, on the tables of deputies of the Verkhovna Rada.

    in the sense of an ordinary article?
    Missile shield of Ukraine

    Is Russia capable of breaking through the air defense of Ukraine?
    30 September 2019, 18: 16
    author-Dvorsky ALEXANDER
    (The participant of the ATO, the number of representatives of the Ukrainian Arbitration Court of Ukraine, the expert of Ukraine) is a quote from his own articles
    Yes, the usual articles of the author, which he rivets on that resource.
    Much more serious articles on Defense Express .. There are even less well-known, but more serious resources.
    It is not clear another. Why supply such “analytical” notes to those on whom the fate of the state directly depends? Why lie to deputies, officials, their own military? The agony of the state? Maybe. But another explanation is closer to me. Ukrainians need to be accustomed to the idea that war with Russia is inevitable.

    with the usual article Dvorsky got into the credibility of "Deputies"?
    To the military (he is a former)?
    To officials?
    Is writing such articles an agony of the state? Tell the state where there are a lot of very similar articles (only instead of Ukraine-Russia and instead of Russia-USA?)
    Do you need to train Ukrainians? Honestly, the official media of both the Russian Federation and Ukraine do this every day!
    Each hour! Accustoming to see each other only in sights and goals on the map.
    It’s enough to read the comments even here in VO about how they relate to Ukraine (the bombing of KIEV, the death of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and others, the thirst for decay, etc.) —really love to the grave. Only the coffins will be many and common.
    Maybe 15 thousand is enough?
    The idea that war was inevitable for Ukrainians came back at the time of Crimea. But the mess, the splits, the absence of everything from the commander-in-chief made the country an easy target. Even the possible outbreak of war in Krym was pushed back by the need to save the country everywhere, and especially in the east.
    As for the Russians, the same thought is hammered into their heads, too, immediately after Crimea. The image of the neighbor was firmly established as an enemy - Bandera, fascist, hating everything Russian, and thoroughly destroying it. It is not a sin to kill such a person. Especially if he encroaches on the "Russian world" in the Crimea.
    It’s very difficult to confront state-owned nailing machines in the heads of fellow citizens.
    Nails were clogged with many.
    So the next article #Totamuukraintsev is in style - there is a stupid opponent who does not have an army, nor weapons and soldiers who are running ...
    they don’t learn anything in Russia .. it would seem that two vivid examples of hats in the RYAV and WWII should have formed a solid immunity .. But no, there is always a fan of taking another "Terrible" regiment ...
    (take Grozny in two hours with the forces of one paratrooper regiment)
    ours, too, are not geniuses, they often break rubbish ..
    But to declare that everywhere (in Ukraine and the Russian Federation) they only do that smashing nonsense is fundamentally not true.
    1. 0
      5 October 2019 19: 01
      In general, I agree with your comment. I only disagree with ".. Much more serious articles on Defense Express". There is a minimum of analysts (in my opinion), as well as comments (1-4) comments under most publications.
      Most publications about the achievements of ukroboronprom are more like advertising.
  16. 0
    5 October 2019 00: 06
    but the density of the enemy on the offensive line is quite dense !!! winkit is not a buzz !!! wink better to distribute !!! wink wink
  17. 0
    5 October 2019 01: 43
    Quote: ".. A large number of missiles is compensated by a small number of carriers (aircraft)."

    Something I did not understand, it turns out a large number of missiles is not good and therefore offset by a lack of aircraft?
  18. 0
    5 October 2019 12: 47
    And the article is extremely confusing and most comments are the same! Shame on the author!
  19. 0
    5 October 2019 22: 01
    In Georgia, it was precisely the Ukrainians who shot down the Russian planes and they shot down exclusively Soviet-built planes .... The very first strike of the new Su-34s sent Bandera warriors to hell along with their BUK, a Soviet-made one removed from combat duty in Ukraine by Yushchenko’s godfather for Saakashvili’s godfather. ... Ukraine has only Soviet-made junk, artificially repaired, since all of these air defense systems were produced in the RSFSR (RF), and the Russian Federation after 2008 discontinued technical support for Ukrainian air defense
  20. 0
    6 October 2019 10: 00
    When Hitler came to power in Germany in 1933, no one took him seriously. What ended everyone remembers. Nazis in Ukraine are also eager for power, while everyone is silent. The West needs these creatures to put pressure on Russia, and Russia thinks that everything will resolve itself.
    DO NOT BRING OUT!
  21. -1
    6 October 2019 19: 30
    Heh, heh, heh, well, everything around is secret not only in Ukraine, but also in the Russian Federation, for example.
  22. -1
    6 October 2019 19: 43
    In the Ukrainian media today this word is very often used: "powerful." Everything connected with anti-Russian actions not only in one’s own country, but also in other countries, is necessarily “powerful”.

    We also have a word that is shoved where necessary and not necessary - "has no analogues."

    Russians experienced the power of Ukrainian air defense during the conflict in 2008. When the Georgian army, with little or no experience in using the Bukov handed over by Ukraine (according to Russian sources, along with trained crews), according to various sources, destroyed from 4 to 8 Russian aircraft.

    Well, as if it were a lesson for the Russian Air Force, that even a small neighbor would not be able to cover without loss without attack. And we must prepare for every military operation.

    Do not smile. It is precisely such motivation for the refusals of the deputies of the Rada and senior officials for our southern neighbor - the norm. If there is nothing to show, then the best thing is to classify information. We have it, but only those who are supposed to know about it. But back to the analytics.

    We also have such a tradition and it is still unclear how effective the Russian electronic warfare and air defense systems are against the enemy prepared and equipped with modern weapons. Although the problem with verification in combat conditions is not only confronting the Russian Armed Forces, there has not yet been a major conflict where new means could be tried out against strong opponents.

    As can be seen from what is listed in the note, Ukraine has forgotten how to produce something serious. All the power of missile defense and anti-aircraft defense of the Armed Forces is nothing more than the traditional devouring of the Soviet heritage for this country. But for an ignorant person, all these beautiful names sound menacing.

    Well, we also have a good part of the army sitting on a modernized Soviet reserve, the fleet generally keeps almost entirely on Soviet-built ships.

    No less formidable weapons are the air-launched missiles X-55 (developed by the USSR) and X-101 (developed by the Russian Federation), which are armed with the Tu-160 and Tu-95MS strategic bombers. A large number of missiles is compensated by a small number of carriers (aircraft).

    Well, yes, unfortunately, we do not have as many carriers of such missiles as we would like.

    In recent years, the whole planet has been taught to calmly accept talk about the use of nuclear weapons, about the third world war, about the right of a strong state to dictate its own conditions and requirements to weaker ones.

    What did the author want? It has been, is and will always be. For beautiful talk about democracy, the brotherhood of nations, etc. always stood the right of the strong.