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In Ukraine, the conditions for the withdrawal of troops in the Donbass are called

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One of the stages of the Minsk agreements is the withdrawal of troops - withdrawal from the contact line in the Donbass. To a certain extent, such breeding took place in the area of ​​the village of Stanitsa Lugansk. At the moment, the challenge in the area of ​​Zolotoy is being discussed.



Ukrainian troops with heavy equipment in the Mariupol-Novoazovsk direction


Moreover, in Ukraine there are many who even see such a threat as such. Apparently, the very understanding of the world in the Donbass does not fit into the logic of these people.

According to the former speaker of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Vladislav Seleznev, "the command of the OOS (operation of the combined forces) has a plan for a certain counteraction." Seleznev said that the withdrawal of Ukrainian troops will remain impossible while "terrorists carry out shelling on sections of the demarcation line."

According to this logic, the shelling is carried out exclusively by the LDNR troops. In Kiev, as before, they continue to ignore their shelling, including the actions of the radical national battalions. And all this against the background of the daily publications of the Ukrainian security forces and radicals themselves in social networks with shots of them striking from various types of weapons in the adjacent territory.

Seleznev said that Ukrainian troops should only withdraw if they are convinced that this step "will not lead to danger for the civilian population and military personnel." Also, the former speaker of the Ukrainian General Staff said that the OSCE mission should be more actively present in the breeding places.
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  1. Spartanez300
    Spartanez300 3 October 2019 06: 04
    0
    Let the OSCE and the UN tear off their ass and contribute to the establishment of peace in the Donbass, and also see firsthand who and whom they are shelling there.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 3 October 2019 07: 17
      +9
      Quote: Spartanez300
      Let the OSCE and the UN tear off their ass and contribute to the establishment of peace in the Donbass, and also see firsthand who and whom they are shelling there.

      Yes, they see everything .. The OSCE and others, the more Russians are killed, the better for them, so it’s better not to mention them .. And against the Natsiks, it’s necessary to take tough action, for every shot, to answer - from all the guns .. Then they will begin to understand .. He shot Natsik, and in return he received it so that from the place from which he shot the scorched field remained ..
    2. 210ox
      210ox 3 October 2019 07: 34
      0
      Do not tell the glasses ... UN and OSCE ... Does it really depend on them?
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        1. Mamuka Petrovich
          Mamuka Petrovich 3 October 2019 09: 32
          +2
          I wanted to see the reaction of Kiev when the local government officials win. It will immediately begin that the elections were held with gross violations and Ukraine does not recognize them. How can it be possible to come to an agreement if there is no jointly signed document already at the time of signing the "Shtanmayer Formula" (Ukraine insisted on this), the signatories put their signatures only on their copies?
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            1. Lelek
              Lelek 3 October 2019 13: 10
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              Quote: Mordva
              But, as I see, under the pressure of "partners" as well as Russia - the LPNR will still be shoved back into Ukraine


              You are just a demagogue (do you know this word? A demagogue is a man who convinces his partner in bed that "soft" is much more pleasant than "hard"). In your reasoning, you absolutely ignore the opinion of the inhabitants of the LDNR themselves (what they want and with whom they associate their future), and this is just what the queues for Russian passports and Pushilin's yesterday's appeal to the Russian government speak about:
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            2. Paranoid50
              Paranoid50 3 October 2019 20: 27
              0
              Quote: Mordva
              As I can see,

              Clairvoyant Prog - network love spell, removal of virtual corruption, fortune telling on resources ... fellow wassat The trouble is the trouble ... They are at the door - they are at the window. laughing
        2. bessmertniy
          bessmertniy 3 October 2019 09: 35
          +1
          It seems that instead of state will in relation to ending the conflict, a state free-will is being demonstrated. No. Zelensky, apparently going to run for president for a long time, is not in a hurry to fulfill his campaign promises to end the war.
          1. oldzek
            oldzek 3 October 2019 19: 47
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            Victor, yes, he was not going to fulfill his promises (of which he is silent of course) or sit in the president’s chair for a long time (which he spoke about many times), both of which are too dangerous in KraineIMHO
    3. qQQQ
      qQQQ 3 October 2019 09: 46
      +1
      Quote: Spartanez300
      Let the OSCE and the UN tear off their ass and contribute to the establishment of peace in the Donbass, and also see firsthand who and whom they are shelling there.

      Yes, everyone can see everything perfectly, it's just that this war is beneficial to everyone, except for the people living there. Both Russia and Ukraine receive their "gesheft". If there is peace, then what to do with it, IHMO, no one knows.
  2. eagle owl
    eagle owl 3 October 2019 06: 11
    +5
    After Trump told Monica Zelensky in the face that they would have to resolve their differences with the Russian Federation themselves at the negotiating table. and dill bent yesterday with the letter Zu and forced to sign the formula Shtanmaer - nobody their monkey cries do not bother. They said twice in plain text - only you are to blame for the war. The third time banderlog just punished
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 3 October 2019 06: 23
      +6
      Quote: Uhu
      letter zu

      Though Zu, Zia, Zee .... As Natsik fired, they will continue to shoot. And to them Vovik Zelensky is not a decree!
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 3 October 2019 08: 09
        +2
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        As Natsik shot, they will shoot. And to them Vovik Zelensky is not a decree!

        First, Ukraine needs to put an end to Bader’s and Makhnovism, without it peace will not come, no Minsk agreements and Steinmeier’s amendments will help.
  3. Andrey Chistyakov
    Andrey Chistyakov 3 October 2019 06: 22
    0
    It began on the collective farm morning called ...
  4. Valery Valery
    Valery Valery 3 October 2019 06: 30
    +1
    Another "blah, blah, blah ....". Westerners can only chat, rob, kill, and they are sure to try to humiliate someone.
    1. eagle owl
      eagle owl 3 October 2019 07: 04
      +6
      They here howled for 4 days that the vile cotton wool had beaten the deuco from Aydar, with shelling, of course ... Until yesterday it turned out that this chicken in the toilet committed suicide with a grenade ...
      As if it weren’t clear on the first day
      1. Antares
        Antares 3 October 2019 09: 39
        -2
        Quote: Uhu
        They here howled for 4 days that the vile cotton wool nailed the deuk from Aydar

        Yes, almost immediately they said that it hadn’t died during the shelling. Grenade burst.
        Suicide is also ruled out. She has a son.
        careless handling of weapons. She is a supply agent, not a military one.
  5. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 3 October 2019 06: 54
    -4
    Conditions are put forward by the US Senate, the State Department, the Pentagon and the CIA. And the US President’s Administration also listens to Bandera voters before the election.
    In general, as long as the United States exists (so that the stench dies! From a supervolcano, an asteroid or some other misfortune, Ukraine will present Russians every day. But to the government, administration, deputies, senators and oligarchs - everything is on the side - they are already triple citizenship have: they swore allegiance to the American flag, grandmother Elizabeth - also. And the people?
    "The final words of the last scene of the tragedy" Boris Godunov "(1825) by Alexander Pushkin (1799-1837). Boyarin Masalsky, one of the murderers of the widow of Boris Godunov and her son, declares:" People! Maria Godunova and her son Theodore poisoned themselves with poison We saw their dead corpses. (The people are silent in horror.) Why are you silent? Shout: Long live Tsar Dimitri Ivanovich! (People are silent.) "(Academic Explanatory Dictionary).
    Russians are silent, many Ukrainians are silent amid the screams of the Nazis, supported by all of Europe, which in 1941-1945 together killed Russians, Belorussians, Ukrainians, and some Jews (then, in 1945, the remaining Jews were killed by the Poles with the approval of London, Washington and the future rulers of Israel .
    "From Germany, not only financial resources came to Palestine, but also businessmen, doctors, scientists and other qualified specialists, since according to the Haavar agreement, the flow of Jewish emigrants was sent there - to the Levant. Thanks to this, the size of the Jewish minority in Palestine increased significantly. By 1939 Jews made up about 60% of the working-age population (from 15 to 49 years old) of Palestine, when the number of Arabs in this group was 40% ... The implementation of the agreements of the Haavar Agreement contributed to the creation of the State of Israel, favored by the transfer of funds and the import of goods from Germany to Palestine ...
    The interest of the Zionists in the agreement with Germany was caused by the following circumstances. There were nearly 200 Jews living in Palestine at the time, accounting for 19% of the population, but most of them were poor and the Palestinian economy lacked investment. Britain, which had a mandate for Palestine, severely restricted Jewish immigration, with the exception of wealthy people who imported capital at least £ 1000 (about $ 5000) per person. [43] The ability to transfer money opened up immigration to Palestine for many German Jews. On December 6, 1934, a message was published in the Jewish press in Jerusalem: "The Haavar Company stated that the existing transfer agreement represents the only way to transfer funds collected in Germany for Zionist activities to Palestine" ... Prior to the signing of the Haavar Agreement, the most important translation tool funds of German Jews emigrating to Palestine were the activities of Sam Cohen, the owner of the private citrus company Hanotea (Hebrew הנוטע, transcription: hanotéa), registered in Tel Aviv .... "
    So, Israel is grateful to Hitler for the creation of the state (then to Stalin).
    That is why the majority of Ukrainian and American Jews and the state of Israel itself support the Ukrainian Nazis.
    So conditions and bargaining were and will be. Kolomoisky and Zelinsky, and many Russian oligarchs are supported and run by Jewish super bankers. "But if they don't take it, we'll turn off the gas!"
  6. yuliatreb
    yuliatreb 3 October 2019 07: 01
    0
    The OSCE and the UN are two organizations that give hopak to the American flute. The Ukrainian authorities will never fulfill the conditions of the Shtanmaer formula until this flute ceases to be the leading musical instrument. And again, everything is obsessed with commodity-money relations, and the principles and charters of these organizations are gone in the summer.
  7. sagitch
    sagitch 3 October 2019 07: 06
    0
    Now, until the next president of Ukraine, sticks will be inserted into the wheels of the troop withdrawal.
  8. eagle owl
    eagle owl 3 October 2019 07: 11
    0

    From the series "We Fought in the Hymn on the Wustah"
  9. rocket757
    rocket757 3 October 2019 07: 26
    +2
    A lot of talk ... just wait and see who will do what! Then express a boom, but for now .... while there they KILL!
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    1. 4ybys
      4ybys 3 October 2019 09: 17
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      If you rely solely on Ukrainian means of propaganda in your logical constructions, then your reasoning may seem logical.
  11. 4ybys
    4ybys 3 October 2019 09: 14
    0
    In other words. Sabotage, shelling and sabotage of peace initiatives will continue. Salvage wins everything.
  12. Ivan Osipov
    Ivan Osipov 3 October 2019 23: 34
    +1
    There are still some conditions ... maybe they can just sit back ... and halve, for starters, these APUs in eastern Ukraine?
  13. Berg berg
    Berg berg 4 October 2019 21: 13
    0
    Now, when the Ukrainian fascists withdraw their troops and the troops of America and Europe from the occupied regions of Lugansk and Donetsk and leave the Dnieper, then the conversation will begin, and now they are occupying looters and murderers of children, old people and LDNR women!