Chinese "America"? Why the Middle Kingdom is a huge UDC

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Cold sea war


It is difficult to say where regional interests end and geopolitical ones begin. Partly because the economic and political situation in the world is constantly changing. Nowadays, the South China Sea has become the busiest crossroads of the planet and the new "Great Silk Road": earlier, experts considered that approximately 25% of all world trade passes through this segment of the World Ocean. In simple terms, the country controlling this sea will receive a key to the economies of other Asian states. This is interesting to all regional players, and especially to China.





Creation for him powerful fleet - One of the stages on the path to full regional and hypothetical world domination. I must say, success is already very tangible. In May of this year, Popular Mechanics reported that China surpassed the United States in the number of warships. Celestial then reached a "psychological mark" in 300 ships of different classes, which, according to experts, is thirteen combat units more than that of the US Navy.

As you know, “they consider chickens in the fall,” however, now no one will thoroughly count all the ships and warships of the USA and China. This simply does not make sense, since America had, is, and in the foreseeable future there will still be a qualitative superiority. This applies primarily to aircraft carriers, large non-aircraft carriers and, of course, nuclear submarines. And also universal landing ships.

UDC - the whole head


In the post-Soviet space, one can often find a skeptical attitude towards UDC, as well as to traditional aircraft carriers. However, this is fundamentally wrong. The concept of a universal landing ship itself was formed on the basis of the very rich experience of the Vietnam War, when the United States badly lacked naval combat units that combined the functionality of various types of landing ships and at the same time could carry Aviationwithout which a modern fleet is impossible.

Apparently, the role of UDC in the 21st century will only grow: this can be seen according to the plans of the Americans to put in place instead of eight ships of the Uosp type, eleven UDCs of the America type, of which one is already in service. And most of all, the increased role of UDC is noticeable in how much the air group of ships of the Marine Corps increases. Indeed, instead of the old Harrier fighters, each America will be able to carry several dozen belonging to the fifth generation F-35B.



China has so far only dreamed about it, but the number of ships released, as previously noted, is genuine admiration. Recall, on June 6, the PRC launched the eighth landing ship of the 071 type, having a displacement of 19 thousand tons and capable of transporting up to one thousand paratroopers with equipment.

The first after aircraft carriers


This giant is “nothing” in comparison with the new Chinese ship, which was launched on September 25 this year. Experts from the notorious bmpd blog drew attention to this event. The launch ceremony of the first universal landing project 075 was held in Shanghai at the Hudong-Zhonghua Shipyard of the Hudong-Zhonghua Shipbuilding Group. According to the blog, UDC is being built for the Chinese fleet since 2016, they want to put it into operation in 2021.

According to data from open sources, the calculated characteristics of the UDC of the 075 project look like this:

Displacement: 36 thousand tons.
Length: 250 meters.
Width: 30 meters.
Speed: up to 23 knots (42 kilometers per hour).
Aviation group: up to 30 helicopters.
Means of self-defense: two 30-mm H / PJ-11 anti-aircraft artillery systems and two HHQ-10 anti-aircraft missile systems.



Earlier media reported that the 075 project has two aerial elevators, and up to three hovercraft can be transported in the docking chamber.

What conclusions can be drawn from all this? Even provided that the ship is slightly smaller than what is written in the media, it is obvious that it will become the largest in the Chinese fleet after the Shandong and Liaoning aircraft carriers. And given that they, in general, have become yet another variation on the development of the Soviet 1143 project, the new UDC can be called the largest Chinese ship in general. And he will remain so until the mysterious Type 002 is born - a “purely” Chinese aircraft carrier.

The conceptually landing project ship of the 075 project is similar to the "America", however, the kinship with smaller large universal landing ships is even stronger. Recall that the American UDC has a total displacement of 45 thousand tons: that is, somewhat more than that of the “Chinese”. But the most important difference from the US ship is the smaller role of the air group and, probably, the greater stake on naval landing. This is understandable: China has neither its conventional F-35B, nor the V-22 Osprey analogue of the convertiplane. “Therefore, combat capabilities (such as 075. - Approx. Aut.) Will be significantly reduced. In addition, our helicopters are lagging behind in their development, therefore, judging by all the indicators, 075 cannot enter the ranks of the world-class UDC, lagging behind it, ”experts from the Chinese publication Sohu noted earlier.

However, high expectations are inappropriate here, as well as overly emotional criticism. Nevertheless, for China this is undoubtedly a huge achievement both in a purely technical and political sense. In other words, the ship fits well with the modern development strategy and will be able in the future to provide even more confident positions of China in the international arena. According to reports, China intends to receive six of these ships. The Celestial Empire also believes that the experience gained during the development of the 075 project can allow the creation of even more advanced ships.



Here, of course, much rests on a plane of short take-off and vertical landing. Recall that Japan wants to soon convert its helicopter carriers into carriers of F-35B fighters. China has no such option. And there is no reason to talk about a new version of the VTOL aircraft based on J-31, since, as far as one can judge, this aircraft was never created as a vertical landing fighter. It is most often seen as a kind of analogue of the American F-35A: like its overseas counterpart, the fighter is also hoped to be actively exported.

Strange as it may seem, the future of Chinese carrier-based aircraft is associated with the already adopted J-20 fighter. The aircraft, according to reports, will be taken as the basis for the development of a carrier-based fighter of the future. Allegedly, such a decision has already been taken by the Central Military Council of the PRC. However, this fighter seems too cumbersome even for conventional aircraft carriers, not to mention UDC. If China wants to create a VTOL aircraft from scratch for the 075 project (or another UDC), then this can take more than a decade. This means that it is not entirely appropriate to consider a new ship an analogue of UDC of the “America” type, as already noted above.
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  1. +13
    3 October 2019 06: 16
    Cool-no-cool, and the Chinese are great, however!
    1. +9
      3 October 2019 08: 36
      Against the backdrop of the stagnation of the former "Big Brother" from the north, China's successes are impressive. And given the powerful economy, all these ships are not built to their detriment.
    2. 0
      4 October 2019 05: 45
      Hmm ... yes it's not the Chinese ... well done.
      We are simply afraid to admit to ourselves - we have "impotence" ... primarily scientific, economic.
      We have proudly "bosses" report .. NEW churches have been built .... there is something to be proud of!
  2. +4
    3 October 2019 07: 43
    Chinese "America"? Why the Middle Kingdom is a huge UDC

    In general, this is a classic version of "colonial transport / fleet" ..... there will / will not be expansion. force projection anywhere, anytime ??? And fig knows it, but there are prerequisites! it cannot be hidden.
    The question is which way?
    1. +12
      3 October 2019 08: 14
      Quote: rocket757
      which way?

      From the beginning he will pick up what "lies badly", then the disputed territories, and then what they "need"! Our DV is no exception!
      1. +2
        3 October 2019 08: 29
        Quote from Uncle Lee
        Our Far East is no exception!

        As an option, it’s possible!
        We have such a good lesson - an example, a warning!
        We draw conclusions, probably, we multiply, grow and LEARN! Such a normal response to everything and everything ... yes, we also choose the upper ones for us. for the State ... and then we work for the good, for the good!
    2. +14
      3 October 2019 08: 22
      To Africa. A good word (suitcase investments for the right people) and a gun (projection of a threat) can achieve much more than just a good word wink .
      1. +2
        3 October 2019 08: 31
        Quote: donavi49
        To Africa. A good word (suitcase investments for the right people) and a gun (projection of a threat) can achieve much more than just a good word wink .

        An interesting direction, not problem-free, but warm, very. Yummy wrapped in a very peculiar wrapper!
    3. +9
      3 October 2019 19: 04
      If you don’t know, China is building the Nicaraguan Canal. Between the Atlantic and the Pacific. So that one fine day, by the decision of a city judge from East Duke, he does not become American property, it will be necessary to have a constant presence of Chinese soldiers in Nicaragua, and ensure their material support.
      1. +2
        3 October 2019 19: 27
        This is understandable, especially since an experience like this has taken place.
  3. +12
    3 October 2019 08: 14
    UDC is now a "jack of all trades". It is necessary to transport and take out the landing force - UDC, it is necessary to organize air support for the detachment of ships and landing - UDC, we need a command ship - UDC, we urgently need a hospital - UDC. And so I understand that promising UAVs will very soon be on their decks. And whoever said what, but Russia also needs such ships, especially in the Pacific region and because of the abundance of island, detached territories and to ensure the operation of the Vostochny cosmodrome, in terms of manned flights, since a possible emergency landing zone, when unsuccessful launches will take place over the ocean and the emergency descent vehicle will have to look for something and save the astronauts, and this requires helicopters and a lot. And it is difficult to imagine a better platform for their start than UDC
    1. +3
      4 October 2019 13: 51
      Quote: svp67
      And it’s hard to imagine a better site for their launch than UDC


      Definitely - UDC is a mobile military base.
  4. +8
    3 October 2019 09: 30
    The author missed one small but very important point. China can concentrate its entire fleet in the South China Sea, and the United States a maximum of half. A minimum of a quarter should be left in the Indian Ocean and the Atlantic. And in this situation, quality superiority can be interrupted by quantity.
    1. +2
      3 October 2019 10: 28
      Quote: Termit1309
      China can concentrate its entire fleet in the South China Sea

      But we must not forget that China occupies many islands, such as the Paracel Sels, not legally recognized by it (recently there was a large article at the VO). Now they have almost reached Malaysia and Indonesia, and a fleet and a considerable one are needed to guard, supply and transport troops. This is also where the fleet needs to be sent to both China and America, the theater of operations is huge and the fleet is also growing by leaps and bounds.
  5. +11
    3 October 2019 10: 13
    I look at the photo, UDC somehow impressed me a little, but the shipbuilding plant is very much. New compact, cool, I think the equipment there is modern. Enviable, very enviable. I can’t say anything more, but if I say, they will go to the limit.
    1. 0
      3 October 2019 13: 38
      I can’t say anything more, but if I say, they will go to the limit.

      Especially, given the fact that it is the Chinese who are building us a plant in the Far East, and, apparently, will work there .....
    2. 0
      14 December 2019 02: 34
      Hello. I will say for you) Why such a territory and such resources We can not build one from scratch? The reason is the misuse of funds, but simply corruption at all stages, levels and positions.
      1. 0
        14 December 2019 10: 56
        Quote: PROVINCIAL
        The reason is the misuse of funds, but simply corruption at all stages, levels and positions.

        It’s just that Russian capitalism is afraid that the people will take the loot, and therefore all the money goes to the West, the children are there, double citizenship. The history of the Civil War of 1918-1922 they know better than we (immediately learned) and know what the people will do with them.
  6. 0
    3 October 2019 12: 06
    36 thousand tons is beyond that already. Is 19 thousand tons of the 071 project really not enough?
    Amers have 45 thousand, but there it is clear that this is at least due to the technically very advanced (and ultra-expensive even by American standards) air group.
    Some kind of dead end race, it seems to me. Reminded of the insane increase in size in the race of battleships.
    1. +6
      3 October 2019 15: 11
      Quote: Engineer
      36 thousand tons is beyond that already. Is 19 thousand tons of the 071 project really not enough?

      071 has too little air group. So in order to support the landing, you will also have to include AB in DESO, which will have to work in the interests of the marines throughout the operation.
      UDC is good because he carries everything with him: airborne assault battalion with equipment and supplies, amphibious assault forces, airborne fire support group.
      1. 0
        3 October 2019 15: 18
        Well, in fact, theoretically, it is possible to land troops in the area of ​​operation of your tactical aircraft. It turns out that UDC is for a large landing shoulder. Overseas landing?
        He carries everything, but very few. Just a battalion. And the technique, mostly light profile. At the same time, it eats money and reserves as if not in itself, not only at the construction stage but also during operation. And all this for the sake of opportunities tactical character
        1. +7
          3 October 2019 15: 21
          Quote: Engineer
          Well, in fact, theoretically, it is possible to land troops in the area of ​​operation of your tactical aircraft.

          In Africa? wink
          China is now in the phase of socialist imperialism (in which, by the way, it once reproached the USSR for its time). And he needs ships to ensure his interests abroad - so that it doesn’t work like with Soviet advisers in Somalia.
          1. +1
            3 October 2019 15: 25
            Well, then the flag in their hands). It already smells like Freud complexes. While they could not scolded, but now they themselves are skipping running.
            I understand that building a UDC is not enough. Need fleet UDC. Accompanied, secured. And if so, then AB is needed, etc. Said A, speak B.
            1. 0
              3 October 2019 15: 40
              With UDC, it’s better to put TAKR in a pair and a pair of anti-submarine plus a rembase, and in principle it’s enough.
              1. 0
                3 October 2019 15: 42
                Is this all for the sake of ensuring the presence of ONE battalion in the zone of economic interests ?. Something I don’t like is such math
                1. +2
                  3 October 2019 20: 03
                  Quote: Engineer
                  Something I don’t like is such math

                  Sorry, but it seems to you from the Chinese that there was no offer of help.
                  1. +1
                    3 October 2019 20: 04
                    A pity, I know better. From the couch, but for goulash))
                    1. +1
                      3 October 2019 20: 08
                      Quote: Engineer
                      A pity, I know better. From the couch, but for goulash))

                      And I thought you already pee a contract with the Chinese, and then goulash!
                      1. +2
                        3 October 2019 20: 09
                        Goulash I will not give, let them chew their rice.
                        They will regret later, but it will be late bully
                      2. +1
                        4 October 2019 08: 20
                        Quote: Engineer
                        They will regret later, but it will be late

                        Rice bite autumn fall! Good morning.
                      3. 0
                        4 October 2019 08: 55
                        no comprende bully
                        Hey.
                        Greetings
            2. +4
              3 October 2019 17: 15
              Quote: Engineer
              I understand that building a UDC is not enough. Need a UDC fleet. Accompanied, secured. And if so, then AB is needed, etc. Said A, speak B.

              You see what’s the matter ... classic AV and carrier support aircraft have different tasks.
              If we take the classic amphibious operation, then in it the AV solves the problem of conquering supremacy at sea and in the air before the start of DESO, and then - the problem of isolating the landing area. And the aviation of the marines is engaged in support of the landing, working first from the carriers, and then from the captured coastal sites. The air defense of the landing zone and the bridgehead was previously also decided by the marines, but now they can do this only after the capture of a normal airfield (because the Hornet does not fit on the UDC, and the Harrier, as an air defense IA, works only against args).
              That is, the AB and AUG are imprisoned for solving naval tasks and air defense tasks. And the airborne landing support ships have air groups, sharpened for operational and accurate interaction with ground units.
              For Africa, classic AB is for the most part completely redundant - there are simply no goals for it. Well, this is if you do not climb into regional giants, such as Nigeria with its Su-30. And so, almost all of the tasks of AB in those parts can be solved by aviation from the UDC. But the UDC escort is still needed.
              1. +1
                3 October 2019 17: 25
                This is all clear.
                But even without AB, it’s still monstrously expensive. More and more often, the seditious idea comes to my mind that the conditional Princeton of the Second World War with an air group from Corsairs (or Skyraders in general) and a couple of LST would have done everything at least not worse. A normal combined-arms battle would not have been sustained by their troops, well, the modern UDC and its battalion would not be able to pull such a battle either. And the projection of power and the admonition of Bantustanov- here my trinity will make at least no worse and much cheaper.
                1. +4
                  3 October 2019 17: 33
                  Quote: Engineer
                  more and more often the seditious idea comes to my mind that the conditional Princeton of the Second World War with an air group from Corsairs (or Skyraders in general) and a couple of LST would have done everything at least not worse.

                  The problem is that at the time of the "Corsairs" the standard for short-range air defense for all Zusuls was the 12.7-mm KKP - John Mosesovich or Degtyarev-Shpagin. The 20mm was much less common.
                  And now, even in bantustans, standard air defense has switched either to Vladimirov with a pair or four of trunks, or to the ZU-23-2. And what will happen when the swag from Libyan and Syrian army depots spreads across the continent ...
                  It is not in vain that the current agricultural attack aircraft are laden with various UROs - for it’s not recommended to fly up a couple of kilometers to the target now.
                  1. 0
                    3 October 2019 18: 46
                    Let me remind you that Corsair was used incl. to suppress air defense during raids on the Tirpitz in the Alten Fjord. And there 20-mm minimum, and even in a very high concentration. There were losses, but they also disabled anti-aircraft guns quite well.
                    BUT I will not insist. Reminder of the ships and planes of WWII is a rhetorical device. The idea was that everything became abnormally complicated and expensive. And a thousand times more risky in case of failure, it’s a precedent of everything politically. The GDP fighter is expensive, complicated, inferior to opponents in everything. Unless F-35B. But then even more expensive. For all other UDC-only helicopters remain. Dozens of MANPADS in the landing zone and farewell air support. Then the landing is doomed. HE is simply not self-sufficient. It turns out to act only against a completely backward enemy. It is possible to explain the advantages of democracy or Chinese socialism in Somalia with the help of UDC. But why? The funniest thing to do if the locals stub. A battalion of paratroopers will occupy the defense area, aviation will bomb the capital (if it reaches) and everything will stand up in anticipation of an order for evacuation. There is no attack. It’s harder to defend, partisan warfare are running out.
    2. 0
      4 October 2019 13: 55
      Quote: Engineer
      Some kind of dead end race, it seems to me. Reminded of the insane increase in size in the race of battleships.


      Not quite so - an aircraft carrier is a floating airfield, and UDC is essentially a floating military base with its own heliport / airfield for vertical planes with the ability for over-the-horizon landing.
      This is only the beginning of the growth of displacement for this class of ships.
    3. 0
      14 December 2019 10: 58
      Quote: Engineer
      Some kind of dead end race, it seems to me. Reminded of the insane increase in size in the race of battleships.

      Such a colossus will not go to every port, but forget about landing on the shore, and the target is gorgeous.
  7. +5
    3 October 2019 12: 08
    China has a good understanding of world history and therefore is diligently learning from the mistakes of others. This can be seen both in the pace of economic development and in relation to its armed forces. We are used to being skeptical about everything Chinese, and in the meantime, they continue to develop at a rapid pace. Even 10 years ago, the presence of a 5th generation aircraft seemed fantastic, but now it is already being mass-produced. It's the same with the fleet. The Chinese are still lagging behind the United States in terms of technology, but I think this is not for long. As you know, cadres are everything. For several years now, shipbuilders from Ukraine have been working in the Celestial Empire, having the necessary experience in building ships of the far sea zone. Engineers from the Motor Sich corporation and the Antonov Design Bureau are also there. I am sure that the Russians are there with their own developments. Therefore, we should expect a new Chinese breakthrough in the next decade. And we will have to be surprised by their achievements more than once.
  8. +5
    3 October 2019 15: 03
    The concept of a universal landing ship itself was formed on the basis of the very rich experience of the Vietnam War, when the United States sorely lacked naval combat units that combined the functionality of various types of landing ships and at the same time could carry aviation, without which modern fleet.

    Rather, it is a reflection of the desire of the Marines to have their own aircraft at their side from the very beginning of the landing. Not helicopters and not naval aircraft, but their own, marine ones - which fulfill the orders of only the marines, and are not occupied with the control of the entire region as a whole. And who can’t just leave with AB at any moment.
    In this sense, the UDCs became the successors of the Air Defense Forces from the airborne support formations that were carried by the Marine Corps squadrons and were used to cover the airborne forces and inflict airborne control systems according to enemy forces on the shore.
  9. -2
    3 October 2019 19: 58
    China can request a project from Russia on the 141 yak of vertical take-off, as when the USA categorically cannot and is dangerous to do this in its f 35 !!!! I hope the greedy leadership of the Russian Federation is enough to resist the temptation of a lot of Chinese money ... !!!!
  10. 0
    4 October 2019 00: 12
    Why the Middle Kingdom is a huge UDC

    In order to be able to complete all current and promising combat missions. China is very powerful around the islands and is actively creating new spheres of its influence around the world.
  11. +1
    4 October 2019 07: 16
    First of all, Taiwan.
    China is developing in all aspects.
    There will come a time when Taiwan itself will realize that there is no alternative to joining China.
    It will become absolutely obvious.
    The potential of the Chinese Navy will be one of the most important bases for this evidence.
  12. -4
    4 October 2019 09: 37
    C'mon, they’ll buy documentation on 141 from us and a year for 3 will be filmed in metal
    1. -1
      6 October 2019 23: 23
      Do you personally have documentation for the 141st?
      1. 0
        7 October 2019 10: 13
        I personally do not, but in Yakovlev Design Bureau
  13. 0
    5 October 2019 04: 08
    Not bad, only here

    Means of self-defense: two 30-mm H / PJ-11 anti-aircraft artillery systems and two HHQ-10 anti-aircraft missile systems.


    not enough for a ship of 36 tons of displacement?
  14. -1
    22 November 2019 22: 45
    Russia, do not regret it that you do not have such an expensive UDC target. You do not need to send soldiers anywhere, because you are a great country, you have the resources and ideal long-range missiles.

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