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They say that Russians work poorly. Have you tried to pay them more?

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Indexes and Indexing


The country's economic and financial departments are sounding the alarm. At the end of September, Russia recorded a record low level of business activity in manufacturing industries. The PMI fell to 46,3 points against 49,1 in August. For the indicator to be considered positive, there must be more 50, if less, and long enough, we can talk about the threat of a recession. If not in the whole economy, then in industry for sure.




Some experts, for example, from the Russian Direct Investment Fund (RDIF), do not share the alarm of the federal departments, referring to the broader data of Rosstat. So far, there is only summer information there, which supposedly indicates the highest level of business activity since January. Nevertheless, the RDIF already reminds us that the PMI production survey has a “narrow focus” and is not representative enough. You might think that in Russia now at least someone really believes Rosstat.

The PMI index, which is calculated according to the results of surveys, that is, according to subjective indicators, is actually quite objective, since it takes into account irrefutable data on purchases in companies. The current index was the lowest in the last ten years, so quickly the number of orders has not fallen since the spring of 2009. But back in April of this year, everything seemed to be quite good - the PMI index then reached 51,8.

Together with a drop in the number of orders, which, in fact, makes us worry more about the future, the number of people employed in those same manufacturing sectors, which are key for the industrial sector, began to fall almost as quickly. The service sector, and even more so the agricultural one, is currently unable to quickly absorb excess personnel resources.

With our extremely (or rather, indecent) low payments to the unemployed, this threatens to lie with an unexpected additional burden on the budget. Did you notice that our unemployment benefits are indexed much less actively and pompously than the same miserable pensions? If, frankly, we can assume that they do not compensate at all.

However, the powers that be and the great oligarch employers are clearly reassured by the fact that there were no and no mass demonstrations of the unemployed, in contrast to the "unsystematic opposition," in the country. And God forbid, it will not. However, judging by the optimism that both members of our government and all elected representatives invariably emit during budget bargaining, it is the least worth worrying about the budget in Russia.

The budget is federal, to the envy of all regional and local, our budget is surplus. And while maintaining current trends and the system of power, such can remain as long as you like. Here are just ordinary citizens from a surplus budget rather than warm, but cold.



At the same time, citizens continue to be scared by the next prospects for raising the retirement age, or to put into a stupor absolutely crazy ideas with a four-day work week. It would be better first of all, the working day should be normalized according to the Labor Code, as in the notorious civilized countries. For starters, at least until the constitutional 8-hour working day, and better even before seven - seven and a half hours. There is no doubt that the return will be no worse.

Because we can not or because we do not want?


But, in the end, the workers are not to blame for the fact that the number of vacancies for them has decreased. And it is not the proletariat, which in the third millennium almost half consists of all kinds of lower-level managers, is to blame for the fact that companies have experienced such a disaster as a reduction in production needs. And this is usually followed immediately by cost optimization, primarily on staff.

A continuation of this negative trend should be a rise in selling prices, but it is practically nonexistent. No, because there is no growing or at least steady demand. Demand in the sphere of real production due to extremely reduced trade chains in the conditions of fierce competition rests on consumer demand. Together with business demand, it represents the very effective demand that pushes the economy into growth, and it doesn’t even matter, due to the production or expansion of the service sector.

By the way, in the United States, because of the constant stimulation of effective demand, the economy has long ago turned into a service economy, most of which are not really needed by anyone. In this area, by almost three quarters of the financial one, there is no question of any reduction in those very trade chains.



It is hardly worthwhile to prove here once again that the American example for Russia is not an example, but our economic gurus have been taught and are taught in American patterns. However, the authors themselves do not pretend to dispute the authority of John Maynard Keynes, generally speaking the nationality of the Englishman, and his followers.

Somewhat confuses only a very different view with the leaders of the Cabinet’s economic bloc on “effective demand” - Keynes should have it on a massive scale, but ours on the Ministry of Finance, the Ministry of Economy and the Central Bank should be somehow limited for the elite. Otherwise, how can one explain the stubborn reluctance of any of these departments to even discuss the fixed minimum wage for state employees or a real increase in the minimum wage.

The other day, the head of the Central Bank Elvira Nabiullina very nicely filed a reduction in the key rate to the level of seven percent per annum. Compared to the horror that the Central Bank has held for so many years in a row, it seems to be quite good. But the legendary Stalin’s People’s Commissar of Finance Arseny Zverev for such a rate could send someone under execution. Even the capitalists in the USSR were not credited under such conditions, and in tsarist Russia they could even give a loan shark for seven percent.

So what did Elvira Sahipzadovna tell us about seven percent? She recalled both the hidden inflationary pressures, the decline in domestic demand, and the global slowdown in production. But she promised a further reduction in the rate. And thanks for that, although an economy in which they have already thought of negative rates on foreign currency deposits, while the elect have almost unlimited access to financial resources, in any case, they are doomed to function not thanks, but contrary to.

They say that Russians work poorly. Have you tried to pay them more?


The head of the Central Bank cannot but be given credit, at least she has not voiced the traditional spell about the impending threat of further sanctions. There is no doubt that our economic departments are absolutely convinced that, having driven almost three quarters of the population into poverty, they really achieved the coveted financial stability.

Yes there are people there, our people are able to endure, but the other day the Accounts Chamber reported on financing the notorious national projects in the first half of the year. So, in the first quarter they were financed only by 12,8 percent, and in the second they did not reach 30. What other effective demand is worth talking about after that. No, by the end of the year, officials can keep up and spend all 100 percent on national projects, but this is from a completely different stories...

Nevertheless, today we have the coveted financial stability. To the envy of the enemies, when the country has a budget surplus, and the trade balance goes up plus, and inflation is below the plinth. But for some reason this skirting board was for some reason at the ceiling.

But in general, the most dangerous thing here is that not only our economy gurus strongly believe that they are on the right track, but that they have long been able to convince the whole political elite of this, right down to the top. And it seems that the finally lost electorate is no longer scary.
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  1. Grandfather
    Grandfather 3 October 2019 05: 34
    +47
    They say that Russians work poorly. Have you tried to pay them more?
    sucks to work without a job. Gazprom will not be enough for everyone.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 3 October 2019 06: 03
      -18
      Quote: Grandfather Kastary
      Have you tried to pay them more?
      Nope ... But what, it will give an effect? recourse
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 3 October 2019 06: 10
        +52
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Nope ... But what, it will give an effect?

        They pretend that they are paying, we pretend that we are working.
        1. depressant
          depressant 3 October 2019 07: 03
          +79
          Time 6 am and 11 minutes in addition. Once, before the crisis of 2008, an avalanche of people rolled down the stairs with a roar - they ran to the bus in order to catch a job in the regional center. Cars started and roared under the windows, a polyphonic speech was heard, crowds of people walked past the windows. An hour later, the movement of schoolchildren and teachers began, then the vast courtyard of communal services, with noisy plumbers and even more noisy bosses, came to life ...
          In 2008, the noise subsided slightly, then resumed. And now - silence, rows of cars at the joke. There are many more than before, but their immobility throughout the day they all look like monuments to the automobile industry, pigeons spoil them, but the owners do not even wash them. And why, if you do not go to work? And only the distant track is still rustling ...
          In general, silence, sleep-- I do not want to! No one and nothing is bothering me in the morning now - thanks, Sahibzatovna, for taking care of my dream, but for some reason I can’t sleep. I’m all thinking: how did it happen that the country is controlled by the Central Bank? Yes, money loves silence. But even they do not like the cemetery. And to a person, living among economic crosses and tombstones is somehow a bit of a mess. The cemetery is not a place for the living. But every day you learn how some good, useful enterprise died, and if a new one was born somewhere, then it’s small things, or another device for pumping minerals abroad. And I still can’t figure out what exactly the Central Bank offers to my country - to whom or to eftanasia?
          1. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 3 October 2019 07: 12
            +25
            Quote: depressant
            Sahibzatovna
            Actually, Sahipzadovna, but from this the meaning of cemetery silence does not change ...... hi
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 3 October 2019 07: 35
              +22
              Quote: Amurets
              Quote: Uncle Lee
              Nope ... But what, it will give an effect?

              They pretend that they are paying, we pretend that we are working.

              Do not talk nonsense and do not repeat phrases from the times of Gorbachev's "perestroika"! Capitalism is in the yard. Namely.

              The Russian labor market has long been overflowing with low-skilled foreign "labor" migrants, who ousted domestic workers both in terms of dumping wages and social obligations to workers. The majority of Russian workers are marginalized due to the actual unemployment in the domestic labor market and the deformed influx of foreign migrants. Only civil servants and state employees keep afloat in Stoane. The rest of the working Russian population will remain, most likely, in the near future without any pension and social services at all.

              And for the most part, I know well how foreign labor migrants work. Especially in construction.
              They have no working conscience. Migrants come to the Russian Federation to grab it, take on any work without qualifications and with fake documents about the profession, they left on the quiet from the employer to the right and left with their own tools and materials, quietly take off from work, etc.

              About bourgeois liberalism of the government of the Russian Federation and the Central Bank of the Russian Federation and unemployment for Russians. See from 17: 00 min.

              Worse than pension reform. What will turn out to be a new initiative of Medvedev. Mikhail Delyagin. Posted: 29 September 2019 Year
              1. Amurets
                Amurets 3 October 2019 07: 49
                +4
                Quote: Tatiana
                Do not talk nonsense and do not repeat phrases from the times of Gorbachev's "perestroika"! The time has long been different. Capitalism is in the yard. Namely.
                re-read this liberal nonsense better than Henry Ford Sr. He will teach you economics.
                And the fact that I expressed myself with the phrase about work and salary is the squeezed out essence of your boltology. "The best job is a high-paying hobby." Henry Ford Sr.
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 3 October 2019 08: 12
                  +20
                  Quote: Amurets
                  Quote: Tatiana
                  Do not talk nonsense and do not repeat phrases from the times of Gorbachev's "perestroika"! The time has long been different. Capitalism is in the yard. Namely.
                  Enough to carry liberal nonsense re-read better than Henry Ford Sr. He will teach you economics.

                  You compare different historical times - the end of the twentieth century with its beginning.
                  At the same time, Ford lived during the development of the scientific and technological revolution in real production and the rise (dominance) of PRODUCTION capital over FINANCIAL. Now the world is dominated by financially speculative capitalism over production.
                  Therefore, the phrase "They pretend to pay, we pretend to work." - under the rule of FINANCIAL capitalism - it does not roll at all! Neither the village nor the city.

                  By the way, such as Henry Ford, at that time in the United States was one of the only capitalists, which in the United States at that time, all the other capitalists took hostility.
                  1. Amurets
                    Amurets 3 October 2019 09: 35
                    -1
                    Quote: Tatiana
                    Now the world is dominated by financially speculative capitalism over production.

                    So you will cook this colored paper for food, sew clothes from this paper, heat stoves or boilers, only your age will be short, because the paint on this paper is terribly poisonous. That is why the mines from under the Strategic Missile Forces missiles are filled with old banknotes, otherwise it is impossible to destroy them. And this will happen when commodity production disappears and "there will be one television around" as one hero from the movie "Moscow Does Not Believe in Tears" said, because finance is the equivalent of commodity value. So think about what you will have left when commodity production disappears. Energy carriers will not be needed, the basis of all the foundations of production, but colored paper, Cowrie shells and similar equivalents of commodity value will remain.
                    1. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 3 October 2019 10: 27
                      +4
                      Quote: Amurets
                      So you will ...
                      So think about what you have left when commodity production disappears. No need for energy, the basis of all the foundations of production, but there will be colored paper, Kauri shells and similar equivalents of commodity value

                      Who is this "you" you have?
                      Who are you talking to now? Do you contact me personally? Or are you still referring to the liberal-oligarchic government of the Russian Federation, headed by the monetarist-market leader Medvedev, the "Kudrinsko" IMF spill in power?

                      You have either mixed up the addressee, or you simply ran to my side.
                      I’m talking about the same thing to you!
                  2. yehat
                    yehat 8 October 2019 12: 41
                    +2
                    Quote: Tatiana
                    such as Henry Ford

                    don't think that Ford was a constant
                    many perceive it at the time of the take-off of its production of Ford T
                    and the phrase "you can buy any car of any color, as long as it is a black Ford-T", on the innovative introduction of a clear separation of operations in production.
                    He is thought to be a "production" capitalist.
                    But in fact, Ford all his life was under the strong influence of socialist ideas (not to be confused with left-wing views and communism) and it was he who, to a large extent, became the one who created the "American Dream" for the Americans in the post-war years. He made his products available to the majority (a direct idea of ​​socialism), at his plant he introduced quite a few standards that improve the quality of life and pay for workers.
                    I must say that he was in close contact with social scientists from the USSR, with Shaposhnikov and his developments and other Western scientists, including Germans and Italians and Japanese. For example, Ford was one of the first to receive the main conclusions of our control theory and introduced practically proved points.
                    (e.g. group management theory)
                    It was his approach and technology that enabled the United States as a whole to easily increase production during the war with Japan. In the 40s, Ford came to the unequivocal conclusion that conveyor production and, in general, building a business based on people is a vicious method and has become much more active in replacing simple operations with machines - exactly what we are doing now in return, as well as self-regulating management systems (something that Potapenko is actively advertising now) that excluded the human factor.

                    I evaluate Ford as a pure capitalist only at the beginning of his journey, then, in spite of the fact that he remained a capitalist, Ford did a lot of other work changing society towards the classically described positive utopias in the Keynes style and creating elements of socialism.
                    Again, I ask you not to confuse socialism with the power of the soviet proletariat and communism.
              2. vlad106
                vlad106 5 October 2019 14: 40
                +2
                Quote: Tatiana
                Quote: Amurets
                Quote: Uncle Lee
                Nope ... But what, it will give an effect?

                They pretend that they are paying, we pretend that we are working.

                Do not talk nonsense and do not repeat phrases from the times of Gorbachev's "perestroika"! Capitalism is in the yard. Namely.

                The Russian labor market has long been overflowing with low-skilled foreign "labor" migrants, who ousted domestic workers both in terms of dumping wages and social obligations to workers. The majority of Russian workers are marginalized due to the actual unemployment in the domestic labor market and the deformed influx of foreign migrants. Only civil servants and state employees keep afloat in Stoane. The rest of the working Russian population will remain, most likely, in the near future without any pension and social services at all.

                And for the most part, I know well how foreign labor migrants work. Especially in construction.
                They have no working conscience. Migrants come to the Russian Federation to grab it, take on any work without qualifications and with fake documents about the profession, they left on the quiet from the employer to the right and left with their own tools and materials, quietly take off from work, etc.

                About bourgeois liberalism of the government of the Russian Federation and the Central Bank of the Russian Federation and unemployment for Russians. See from 17: 00 min.

                Worse than pension reform. What will turn out to be a new initiative of Medvedev. Mikhail Delyagin. Posted: 29 September 2019 Year


                in the "Catechism of a Jew" it is written: "Russians should not be given work, not taken to work ...".
                hire Armenians, Poles of other different, but not Russian. Zionists staged genocide of the Russian people
              3. yehat
                yehat 8 October 2019 14: 02
                0
                "Capitalism is in the yard. Namely."
                we do not have capitalism. we have feudalism.
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            3. bandabas
              bandabas 3 October 2019 13: 44
              0
              And let's quote her surname in the normal way. I will not write, this is a tolerant site without insults. Once again, reluctance, but everyone understood. One letter solves everything. good
              1. VeteranVSSSR
                VeteranVSSSR 3 October 2019 21: 40
                0
                As you call a ship, so he and ...
          2. YasenPen
            YasenPen 3 October 2019 09: 39
            +17
            Quote: depressant
            ... ephtanasia?

            In general, now, at the moment, specifically, the people are not ready to defend their right to a better life, and all because they have something to lose + a well-established deep-rooted fear of making at least some independent steps, right or wrong, and thinking, first of all, their own head, and less trust in "digital broadcasting".
            There was only one conclusion for me to endure - not to resist the inexhaustible will and perseverance with which the "people's representatives", led by the guarantor and his appointees, "tighten the screws" in the country's internal economic life ... everything that is done is for the better! ... and I endured no other way.
            In 2018, we are all about с rally the only way to prove to the Kremlin pahanat that the people will not tolerate anti-popular transformations ... but no, no more than 50 dissenting people came out with protests throughout the country. Karl, across the vast country !!! Carl, what about football ?!
            Now we will all reap the fruits of the lawmaking of the "servants of the people" ... and we will see something else. hi
            1. Revival
              Revival 3 October 2019 14: 58
              +9
              Yes, absolutely right.
              The people, in many ways, themselves allow this attitude to themselves.
              Not a gram or ready to assert their rights.
              With legislative initiatives, there is already a feeling that along the way they simply mock.
              Raised retirement age and silence ...
              All against! But where are they?
              They didn’t go to the Allowed Safe Meeting either!
              Are they already thinking at the top, well, what else can they do? Likely even if they release the law
              that whips just like to slaves to beat on Fridays in the streets, then they will be silently demolished.
              The last election is generally a class: fraud was understandable, but many people vote for ep anyway! For er!
              How can this be imagined?
              Such "tolerant" all and all voters can generally cancel the pension, benefits and everything else, they will accept with understanding and gratitude.
              The people in many respects deserve what they have and will have, systematically, further.
              After all, no illegal actions are needed, which is even easier if you don’t just vote for at least ep and self-immigrants.
              Here is an example, the Moscow City Duma: EP did not nominate a single candidate, but according to the election results, it announced that EP still had the largest faction in the Moscow City Duma! How? Oh, self-immigrants all became er, how unexpected, yes !?
              Interestingly, those who voted for self-immigrants felt themselves like donkeys or felt nothing at all like a vegetable.
              Maybe many are incapacitated in principle? Once in order to breed them, one move is enough, without any combinations.
              The audience is so stupid that the magician just takes the rabbit to the stage and says that he got it out of his hat and everyone is groaning how such a trick was successful, a miracle happened!
              1. goose
                goose 8 October 2019 12: 02
                0
                Quote: Revival
                Such "tolerant" all and all voters can generally cancel the pension, benefits and everything else, they will accept with understanding and gratitude.

                The EP is chosen by women, while social rights are being taken away from men at an outstripping pace, they feel their own peculiarity, caste, and this affects their pride.
                The main burden on making money and the social press falls on men, but soon women will feel the short-sightedness of this approach.
                But power is hedged everywhere here, and the people simply don’t know anyone but those close to the authorities.
            2. cradle
              cradle 4 October 2019 08: 08
              -7
              whom do you call terpils? Do not measure people by yourself ... If life in the country does not suit you, the borders are open. IT WORKS FOR ME! If you are controlled by a pahanat, then this is YOUR difficulties, in my country there is a government. 50 thousand grish? he considered these idiots? You apparently have nothing to do. Try to work and everything will pass.
          3. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 3 October 2019 10: 01
            +10
            Quote: depressant
            And I still can’t figure out what exactly the Central Bank offers to my country - to whom or to eftanasia?

            Central Bank is slowly preparing Russia to disassemble the authorities laughing
          4. bar
            bar 3 October 2019 10: 36
            +5
            I’m all thinking: how did it happen that the country is controlled by the Central Bank?

            And who else to manage? Our premiere with an iPhone or a cheerful hamster Oreshkin from the economic development?
          5. ivagulin
            ivagulin 3 October 2019 11: 57
            +2
            ephtanasia is usually anesthetized, so that our economy seems to have such a narcotic dream painlessly before KERDYK
          6. Victor N
            Victor N 4 October 2019 14: 23
            -5
            Go to the site "Good News of Russia" - and you will be happy. No need to scold the country, it is good. You don't have to wait for generous payments - you have to earn money. We must learn to earn continuously.
          7. dmb91
            dmb91 5 October 2019 16: 38
            -1
            I absolutely agree with you. For all counts.
          8. Machito
            Machito 6 October 2019 23: 43
            +1
            Quote: depressant
            Time 6 am and 11 minutes in addition. Once, before the crisis of 2008, an avalanche of people rolled down the stairs with a roar - they ran to the bus in order to catch a job in the regional center. Cars started and roared under the windows, a polyphonic speech was heard, crowds of people walked past the windows. An hour later, the movement of schoolchildren and teachers began, then the vast courtyard of communal services, with noisy plumbers and even more noisy bosses, came to life ...
            In 2008, the noise subsided slightly, then resumed. And now - silence, rows of cars at the joke. There are many more than before, but their immobility throughout the day they all look like monuments to the automobile industry, pigeons spoil them, but the owners do not even wash them. And why, if you do not go to work? And only the distant track is still rustling ...
            In general, silence, sleep-- I do not want to! No one and nothing is bothering me in the morning now - thanks, Sahibzatovna, for taking care of my dream, but for some reason I can’t sleep. I’m all thinking: how did it happen that the country is controlled by the Central Bank? Yes, money loves silence. But even they do not like the cemetery. And to a person, living among economic crosses and tombstones is somehow a bit of a mess. The cemetery is not a place for the living. But every day you learn how some good, useful enterprise died, and if a new one was born somewhere, then it’s small things, or another device for pumping minerals abroad. And I still can’t figure out what exactly the Central Bank offers to my country - to whom or to eftanasia?

            Under the USSR, at 7 in the morning, it was impossible to get into the subway car — the workers went to the factories. Now the factories have demolished everything. The crush, not the crush, starts at eight - office plankton goes to each other's offices to provide services. Ugh.
            A friend works at MGTUA, a leading federal university of civil aviation in Moscow. And he receives the minimum federal salary of 11 grouse, and not the Moscow minimum wage of 2000. The university has a profit of 18 million rubles, and it eats up horseradish without salt. Here's a Na ... Bulina.
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        3. Stas157
          Stas157 3 October 2019 08: 21
          +33
          . in our economic departments we are absolutely convinced that, having driven almost three quarters of the population into poverty, they really achieved the desired financial stability

          Everywhere, in the USA and in China, in order to revitalize the economy stimulate domestic demandpay more money to the people (increase salaries, pensions, allowances or lower the key rate, make loans more affordable ...). In our country, they act exactly the opposite. Wherever you can rob the already impoverished population (by world standards). Hence the natural result. Domestic demand and activity are steadily falling. The economy is shrinking.

          Yes, give people their money, little crooks! Return your pensions, reduce taxes, make loans and mortgages at 2% ... and there will be demand. The economy will immediately come to life! Living and working will be more fun, and enterprises will be in demand. But stingy people and stingy people - they will choke on the amount of money, have a surplus budget and put money in capsules (swollen gold reserves and other airbags), but they will not give money to the population. They take them away. Cut the branch on which they sit.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 3 October 2019 09: 53
            +18
            Quote: Stas157
            Get your pensions back, cut your taxes,

            Manuals of the IMF do not allow.
          2. Mestny
            Mestny 3 October 2019 09: 56
            -11
            How do they know about this?
            Most of the managers are still from the USSR. Their understanding of economics is to grab more and topple away.
          3. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 3 October 2019 10: 07
            +4
            Quote: Stas157
            Everywhere, in the US and in China, in order to revitalize the economy stimulate domestic demand,

            the main regulator of domestic demand is the exchange rate, when foreign currency is expensive, but its own is cheap, so demand rises and producers are stimulated. And we are singing fairy tales about the "STRONG" ruble, about "STRENGTHENING" .... which is actually cheating and misleading people who are not very literate today.
            1. Lannan Shi
              Lannan Shi 3 October 2019 13: 03
              +2
              Quote: aybolyt678
              the main regulator of domestic demand is the exchange rate, when foreign currency is expensive, and its own cheap, here demand rises and producers are stimulated

              This is when there is a production. And when, as with us ... There will simply be an increase in prices for all manufactured goods, and at least half of the food.
              1. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 3 October 2019 14: 55
                -1
                Quote: Lannan Shi
                This is when there is a production.

                and it will appear! if it is profitable
                1. Prosha
                  Prosha 5 October 2019 20: 56
                  +1
                  It will appear when the ideology changes - why produce your own, if you can buy in China. When those who grabbed their voucher enterprises are ruined, and others feel sorry for their hard-earned money, and the owners of the enterprises begin to think constructively - how to make money, and not sell everything at a bargain price and dump it.
                  1. aybolyt678
                    aybolyt678 6 October 2019 06: 14
                    0
                    Quote: Prosha
                    It will appear when the ideology changes - why produce your own

                    I like your opinion, but with the existing ideology, the path to economic recovery is only through a crisis: namely, the exchange rate should be maintained at a level that is beneficial specifically for our domestic producer.
          4. Vikxnumx
            Vikxnumx 3 October 2019 10: 59
            +6
            What they are ordered from Washington, they do!
            And even Faberge can take, and hit the patient himself! (by wallet!)
          5. ROBIN-SON
            ROBIN-SON 3 October 2019 13: 22
            +6
            Don't get your hopes up. Power is strong and firmly on its feet. Monitors the situation. No one goes on strike or engages in self-immolation in protest. The opposition, represented by L. Navalny, plays a protest role, occasionally bringing young and not very young to the streets of Moscow shouting "We are in power here." The police beat them with truncheons. Everyone is happy. The West sees that protests are, that is, democracy, the scriptwriters receive money. Peskov comments. The market for cheap labor from the near abroad is large. Nobody will give you money. Before the first crisis ...
          6. Severok
            Severok 5 October 2019 17: 39
            -1
            Yes, give people their money, little crooks! Return your pensions, reduce taxes, make loans and mortgages at 2% ... and there will be demand. The economy will immediately come to life! Living and working will be more fun, and enterprises will be in demand. But stingy people and stingy people - they will choke on the amount of money, have a surplus budget and put money in capsules (swollen gold reserves and other airbags), but they will not give money to the population. They take them away. Cut the branch on which they sit.

            These are not mean people, these are enemies. The real enemies who are not seen at point blank going to the guard, who are not seen at point blank, who are satisfied with everything in the country (and will be satisfied until the fried gold pecks at the very causal thing), those who are going to the polls do not see point blank (not realizing that by their presence in the so-called elections they create the appearance of legitimacy of the presence of these bastards in power who steal our lives and the lives of our descendants from us).

            They do not chop the branch on which they sit, because when it starts to bake, they will incite Zolotov / Putin against the indignant guards and call on NATO according to one inconspicuous law signed by Vova.
          7. goose
            goose 8 October 2019 12: 09
            0
            Quote: Stas157
            Yes, give people their money, little crooks! Return your pensions, reduce taxes, make loans and mortgages at 2% ... and there will be demand.

            Those. Do not take money from people and do not spend money on the administration of the distribution and development of the collected money.
        4. Chaldon48
          Chaldon48 3 October 2019 12: 37
          +2
          And everyone thinks how bad it is that in the end they will imagine switching from a small salary to a very tiny pension.
        5. sinoptic
          sinoptic 3 October 2019 16: 28
          +9
          There is power in Russia holding those national fun, slaves to bend. Bend until those in the face they will not give. The tradition is centuries old. Long time ago.
          Do you think GDP and Medvedev do not know that people are furious? They know!
          They have long been explained from different angles what needs to be done.
          But why do something if you can do nothing. They tolerate, do not kick.
      2. Svarog
        Svarog 3 October 2019 07: 07
        +13
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Have you tried to pay them more?
        Nope ... But what, it will give an effect?

        At least the fact that they will start buying more goods, thereby stimulating the producers of these goods, and the producer, in turn, will increase the staff more, thereby affecting employment .. In general, our economic bloc has an extremely strange policy, smells of "deliberate sabotage". ...
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          1. Svarog
            Svarog 3 October 2019 07: 31
            +13
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            Quote: Svarog
            will start to buy more goods, thereby stimulating the producers of these goods ...

            ... that is, the Chinese ...

            Great question .. And who is stopping us from starting production? Why hasn't it appeared in 20 years ...? Have you joined the "sane"? laughing wassat
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 3 October 2019 07: 54
              -19
              Quote: Svarog
              Wonderful question ..

              This is not a question, this is an answer. On the stupid sentence "just pay more and everything will be Coca-Cola."

              There will be no request

              Quote: Svarog
              And who is stopping us from doing production? Why didn’t it appear in 20 years ...?

              And this is a separate issue that is not resolved by the "pay more" method.

              Quote: Svarog
              Have you joined the "sane"?

              If "healthy" is you and your dancer - definitely "no".

              It’s significant, by the way, that even you are a word healthy consumed ... in quotation marks laughing
            2. Vadim237
              Vadim237 3 October 2019 13: 40
              -10
              "And who is stopping us from starting production?" - You personally probably: lack of ideas, laziness and lack of understanding of how it's all done.
              "Why hasn't it appeared in 20 years ...?" You didn’t, but others didn’t have a lot of things, because they didn’t sit idly by and didn’t expect the state to offer them everything on a silver platter.
              1. Beringovsky
                Beringovsky 3 October 2019 22: 43
                +7
                Vadim237
                lack of ideas, laziness and lack of understanding of how this is all done.

                Yes, it's right about our power! Bravo!
                good
                Vadim237 You haven’t, but others have a lot of things

                And you can’t argue! soldier
            3. Revival
              Revival 6 October 2019 00: 21
              -3
              "Rather, the sky will fall to earth" than he will join
          2. Stas157
            Stas157 3 October 2019 08: 57
            +14
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            "Svarog", the economist of you is like a ballerina of me... Let's talk about "evil Puten stole pensions", or something ... you do better with this song

            Kisa, Kisa would not have been if he had not done without his scandalous comparisons. Usually I do not answer him, but here it would be necessary that he did not mislead other people with his "Chinese". It should be noted that demand falls at Russian enterprises (and not like the Chinese, as Kees believes) and the only way to increase demand is to stimulate the economy. What the author of the article, by the way, offers. And you can’t even refuse to stimulate the economy, even under the pretext that some of the money will go to these Chinese.
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                  1. Svarog
                    Svarog 3 October 2019 10: 27
                    +9
                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    In the bath, stasik, in the bath ... there is your place

                    It’s amazing why they stopped sending you to the bathhouse, no one complains apparently .. Constantly being rude, you are engaged in provocations, as a matter of fact, almost never comment on the article, clinging to commentators with silly questions .. Here you have to go to the bathhouse, before climbed out ..
                    1. Revival
                      Revival 3 October 2019 15: 11
                      +4
                      All his supposedly pseudo-philosophical comments are diversion from the topic, exaggerated moralizing with the same purpose, and zero information on the topic of the issue under discussion. "Ringing void" in the end.
                      Right now, it's just a classic: "You don't need to give money to the population, they will buy Chinese goods, since we don't produce our own," and it seems that the chain of thought was cut off, and the question of why we don't produce our own apparently slyly conceals (and the answer to this question is absolutely necessary in a bundle).
                      Who is Uncle Vanya from the village is responsible for production in the country, and at the top are responsible. Oh oh oh, he shouldn’t touch on this topic ...
                      1. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 3 October 2019 15: 41
                        -14
                        Quote: Revival
                        "Ringing void" in the end

                        For the umpteenth time I already ask - in which ear does it ring? If in both - it draws on the diagnosis ...

                        Quote: Revival
                        ... like a chain of thoughts broke, and the question of why we don’t produce our own ...

                        For juggling in a decent society they beat with candlesticks, my friend.

                        The question "why we do not produce" is not related to the topic under discussion (let me remind you - "raise salaries and everything in the country will improve") does not refer to the word "in any way" request

                        Quote: Revival
                        Oh oh oh, he shouldn’t touch on this topic ...

                        Why not? Everything is possible. But specifically here it is offtopic ... buddy laughing
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                      3. Leopold
                        Leopold 5 October 2019 23: 42
                        +7
                        Not a single titled trainer has yet been able to tame the Pallas cat. This is for information. And as you translated, let it remain on your conscience. yes
                      4. Harry.km
                        Harry.km 6 October 2019 01: 35
                        -4
                        Quote: Leopold
                        And as you translated, let it remain on your conscience.

                        Dear, I do not know who you addressed, but translate the expression "Cat Man Null" by words and you will be surprised how many meanings the word "Sat" has. And zoology is an excellent science, I love animals very much ... they never betray
                      5. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 6 October 2019 01: 37
                        +1
                        Quote: Harry.km
                        Zoology is a wonderful science, I love animals very much

                        What a coincidence ... I also love animals, especially local ones. I collect them. Want a collection? wink
                      6. Revival
                        Revival 6 October 2019 00: 24
                        -4
                        I did not see a more precise definition.
                        If the bird swims like a duck, quacks like a duck, then apparently this is a duck)))
                      7. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 6 October 2019 00: 30
                        0
                        Quote: Revival
                        If a bird swims like a duck, quacks like a duck, then apparently this is a duck

                        So go on ... I'll look after you, man yes
                      8. Leopold
                        Leopold 5 October 2019 23: 39
                        +7
                        Is it not for you that Delilah cut off cosmas, but surrendered to the enemies with giblets?
                      9. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 6 October 2019 00: 32
                        +4
                        Quote: Leopold
                        Is it not for you that Delilah cut off cosmas ...

                        Well no. This is Sam-Sung, a famous guy ... in vain the "skulls" were canceled, in vain laughing
                      10. Leopold
                        Leopold 6 October 2019 00: 39
                        +7
                        in vain "skulls" were canceled, in vain

                        I agree, you meet without shoulder straps, you think "recruit", and you will look in profile - my mother, minus ten thousand. So go and guess who you are dealing with. belay
                      11. Harry.km
                        Harry.km 6 October 2019 02: 11
                        -3
                        Quote: Leopold
                        in vain "skulls" were canceled, in vain

                        I agree, you meet without shoulder straps, you think "recruit", and you will look in profile - my mother, minus ten thousand. So go and guess who you are dealing with. belay

                        In this particular case, everything looks a little different ... You look, like a cardboard epaulet with a big star ... you go into the comments, but there’s nothing to read ... you think, a troll ... then, you read the nickname and you understand .. Nick says it all.
                      12. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 6 October 2019 02: 20
                        +2

                        If the blind leads the blind, both will fall into the pit.

                        Don’t dig another hole - you’ll fall into it yourself ... Harry yes
                      13. Harry.km
                        Harry.km 6 October 2019 02: 27
                        -3
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        Harry

                        This name ... A proper name is capitalized. Are you trying to insult dear?
                      14. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 6 October 2019 02: 39
                        -2
                        Quote: Harry.km
                        Are you trying to insult dear?

                        Well, here you are having fun with zoology in half with the angelic ... why don't I have some fun too?

                        So you want a collection, or what? wink
                      15. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 6 October 2019 02: 47
                        +2
                        Quote: Harry.km
                        This is the name ... The proper name is capitalized

                        Good name Harya winked And the letters on the ava are so that this ... name does not show live?
                        I do not speak English request He taught France. Can you translate into Russian for a graduate of the Central School of Law?
          3. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 3 October 2019 09: 54
            +15
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            Let's talk about the "evil Puten stole pensions"

            And he didn’t steal them, Kitty? wink
            1. TokarevT
              TokarevT 3 October 2019 21: 34
              +5
              No, what are you, how can you! This is only his friendship. And the tsar and the boyars are not equal to us! Onet then, of course, they will salivaate how much and when it should be, but this will be a completely different matter! The tsar has nothing to do with it, they brought him onep, and he, as befits the tsar, honestly observes the people.
        2. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre 3 October 2019 07: 55
          +15
          In general, our economic bloc has an extremely strange policy, smells of "deliberate sabotage" ..
          She doesn't smell. She stinks so that without a gas mask it’s impossible to stand nearby.
        3. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 3 October 2019 10: 09
          +7
          Quote: Svarog
          At least that they will start to buy more goods

          I would clarify - more domestic goods. Because when buying imported, we strengthen foreign manufacturers
        4. Prosha
          Prosha 5 October 2019 21: 02
          -2
          Do you remember in Russia there was a boom in private entrepreneurship, a widespread boom of stalls with a variety of consumer goods, which grew into the sale of beer, chewing gum and cigarettes, and then sank into oblivion ... I’m afraid if salaries increase, then without producing various kinds of goods, this boom salaries will end in the retail chains Auchan, Magnet and Tape .... And God forbid that domestic producers of the food industry have raped, anything from all this.
          I wrote about the stalls, to the fact that people need to be taught not only how to work, but how to make money, without the ability to organize production of anything, everything will end with a beer stall.
      3. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 3 October 2019 09: 50
        +7
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Nope ... But what, it will give an effect?

        Doctor, my legs are black!
        - Have you tried to wash them?
        “Does it help?” laughing
        According to the article -
        The other day, the head of the Central Bank Elvira Nabiullina very nicely filed a reduction in the key rate to the level of seven percent per annum.
        The European Central Bank has been keeping the zero rate for several years, despite the fact that the inflation of the euro over the past 3 years is 1.5 - 2%. hi
      4. Nick
        Nick 3 October 2019 23: 25
        +6
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        But what, it will give an effect?

        Of course. Simple arithmetic. If 10% of the richest citizens of the Russian Federation receive 46% nat. they would not be able to create demand for almost half of the goods and services produced in Russia, if they didn’t try. In three throats you can’t eat four pairs of shoes, trousers, etc. you don’t get yourself. If these funds went to the salaries of ordinary workers, pensions, social services. benefits. and so on, the demand for goods and services in the economy and mid-level segments would sharply increase, which, in turn, would provide orders for the country's economy, thereby stimulating the growth of the economy, jobs, and budgets of all levels.
        Something like this.
        As Mr. Livshits used to say to the oligarchs of the Yeltsin era: "We must share."
      5. zenion
        zenion 6 October 2019 15: 46
        0
        One wise man said - a small salary is not a reason for theft or to make a marriage in work.
    2. Van 16
      Van 16 3 October 2019 06: 32
      +28
      But enough promises. I'm talking about 25 million high-tech jobs.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 3 October 2019 13: 48
        -5
        These 25 million high-tech jobs are spelled differently in the May Decrees
        "Development of small and medium-sized businesses
        increase in the number of employees in the field of small and medium-sized enterprises to 25 million people;
        simplification of tax reporting for entrepreneurs using cash registers; A.
        simplification of access to preferential financing;
        creation of a support system for farmers and development of rural cooperation;
        creation of a new taxation regime for self-employed citizens, including automatic transmission of information to tax authorities, exemption from reporting and deduction of a single payment from the proceeds. "
        The topic of 25000000 "high-tech" jobs is closed.
        1. lukewarm
          lukewarm 3 October 2019 14: 22
          +5
          Quote: Vadim237
          creation of a new taxation regime for self-employed citizens, including automatic transmission of information to tax authorities, exemption from reporting and deduction of a single payment from the proceeds. "

          And, that's where the tax on the self-employed comes from ... Sobsno, "May decrees". But they say they don't laughing In terms of stripping - how else.
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 3 October 2019 14: 52
            +6
            Quote: unwillingly
            And, that's where the tax on the self-employed comes from ... Sobsno, "May decrees". And they say, they do not fulfill In part to rip off - how.

            About to tear off ..
            Today, Skvortsova said that it was necessary to prepare for completely paid medicine, so the government began to work seriously to reduce the population of Russia ..
        2. Van 16
          Van 16 3 October 2019 16: 22
          +6
          "By 2020, it is necessary to create and modernize 25 million jobs. This is a very ambitious and difficult task" From the message to the Federal Assembly 2012
        3. Harry.km
          Harry.km 5 October 2019 08: 10
          -1
          Quote: Vadim237
          These 25 million high-tech jobs are spelled differently in the May Decrees
          "Development of small and medium-sized businesses
          increase in the number of employees in the field of small and medium-sized enterprises to 25 million people;

          Quote: Vadim237
          The topic of 25000000 "high-tech" jobs is closed.

          You are clearly confusing the decrees of 2012 and 2018.
          In 2012, someone promised: 1. Creation of 25 million high-performance jobs by 2020 (s)
          In 2018, someone promised: 13. To the Government of the Russian Federation during implementation
          together with state authorities of the Russian Federation
          Federation of the national project in the field of development of small and medium
          entrepreneurship and individual entrepreneurial support
          Initiatives to ensure in 2024:
          a) achievement of the following target: increase
          the number of employees in the field of small and medium enterprises,
          including individual entrepreneurs, up to 25 million people (s)

          Thus, the total number of people working in high-tech jobs and small and medium-sized businesses is: 50 (fifty Karl!) Million people. And if the first 25 million are promised by 2020, then the next by 2024. As they say, flies from cutlets should be separate.
          After 2 months of NG, we’ll listen under the Christmas tree how we began to live well and how fulfilled the FIRST May decrees of 2012 are.
        4. Revival
          Revival 6 October 2019 00: 27
          -2
          And so this small average business is always the most high-tech))))))))))))))
    3. Obi-Wan Kenobi
      Obi-Wan Kenobi 3 October 2019 06: 33
      +30
      Yes, it is clear that it will not be enough. It's not about the "gazprom" business.
      The fact is that the patience of the people is large enough, but not unlimited. The consequences for Russia will be catastrophic. It will all end in the next year 1917. As a result, all these "Kremlin cronies" of the guarantor and the guarantor himself will have little place on earth. They will ask everyone for everything.
      Everything in life changes and nothing is eternal. And the government, headed by the guarantor, is doing everything to make the "new year 1917" come as quickly as possible.
      1. Vikxnumx
        Vikxnumx 3 October 2019 11: 02
        +3
        As long as ordinary people have something to lose, there will be no mass unrest.
        And when the people remain completely naked ... in the rear, then everything will become completely shitty!
      2. fruit_cake
        fruit_cake 3 October 2019 12: 22
        +3
        to have a new 1917, it is necessary for the people to have weapons, which then were people who returned from the war, and now how they will disperse without even shooting as in 1993
        1. TokarevT
          TokarevT 3 October 2019 18: 38
          +1
          The right thought. It remains to acquire weapons both legal (hunting ticket) and illegal means (neatly and quietly). Very soon, there is a chance it may be required.
      3. Lannan Shi
        Lannan Shi 3 October 2019 13: 12
        +7
        Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
        The fact is that the patience of the people is quite large, but not unlimited. The consequences for Russia will be disastrous. It will all end in the next 1917 year.

        The problem is that our government is mean, but not entirely bad. Has grown a layer of such urban farmers. They have everything in chocolate. And those who are "in chocolate, personally with me" are ready to kill. And the country as a whole? Yes, even in Zimbabwe, let it turn. Their country ends beyond their doorstep.
    4. Svarog
      Svarog 3 October 2019 07: 02
      +8
      Somewhat confuses only a very different view with the leaders of the Cabinet’s economic bloc on “effective demand” - Keynes should have it on a massive scale, but ours on the Ministry of Finance, the Ministry of Economy and the Central Bank - it’s somehow limited for the elite. Otherwise, how can one explain the stubborn reluctance of any of these departments to even discuss the fixed minimum wage for state employees or a real increase in the minimum wage
      .
      This can be explained by the lack of responsibility, when people are not responsible for what they have done, they do what they want. Now, if, after another unsuccessful reform, someone was involved, I'm sure the next "reformer" would be more responsible and quick.
      1. depressant
        depressant 3 October 2019 08: 17
        +17
        In order for some of the "reformers" to be held accountable for the failure of innovations in case of failure, a legal mechanism is needed. But as far as I understand, there is no such mechanism anywhere in the world. Depending on the level of the "reformer", either the case is heard, for example, in Congress, or the victims are prosecuted. Do we even have such a precedent form? I guess not. So the hands of the Central Bank are free, read the IMF. The absence of inflation is put above the needs of the population in the development of industry, hence the country. Feeling the moral precariousness and stupidity of such a position, suitable for this by the press, directed by the near-bank crowd, a legend is created that the Russians are stupid and lazy. This is to feed the foreign surprise, as, they say, so - a rich country, and the population is poor. Lazy Russians, lazy. Lazy and stupid. But I can see how the Russians are tense at work. Even within the boundaries of my little village. In order to survive, the entrepreneurs cut their staff, and the rest turn to swollen legs at the end of the work shift. And there is no one inside the country who, according to the law, could subjugate the unbelted banksters, for whom mortifying stability is higher than the development of industrial production.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 3 October 2019 08: 21
          +7
          Quote: depressant
          In order for some of the "reformers" to be held accountable for the failure of innovations in case of failure, a legal mechanism is needed. But such a mechanism, as far as I understand, is not found anywhere in the world.

          Yes, at least they fired, without the right to occupy leadership positions. In general, everything goes from the head .. Under Stalin, it’s not even possible to imagine such a bacchanal ..
          1. depressant
            depressant 3 October 2019 09: 53
            +8
            Svarog, I understand what you want to say. But who can fire Nabiullina? Putin? Does he have the authority to do so? Suppose there is. But for what reason can he dismiss the head of the Central Bank, recognized as the best specialist in this field, at least in Europe? Abroad will not understand. And besides, for this Putin must become Stalin. But he rejects this possibility in every possible way. And who will give him! We might have allowed it, but our voices, apparently, are not decisive. Yes, and somehow Putin does not see Stalin - not that texture. So the authorities were divided into such parts, not one of which sees the country and its needs as a whole. Each part has its own color of the working spectrum. They do not add up to white light. There is no one to lay them down.
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 3 October 2019 09: 58
              +7
              Quote: depressant
              about why could he dismiss the head of the Central Bank, recognized as the best specialist in this field, at least in Europe? Abroad will not understand.

              Yes, the trouble is that the Gauleiters are solid, who do everything with an eye to foreign countries .. And foreign countries have identified us as a raw materials appendage. As long as the Gauleiters will lead, we will remain a raw materials appendage .. The richest country, fully self-sufficient, as long as we have qualified human potential (though with the reform of education it will end soon) and such beggars .. ashamed
            2. Vadim237
              Vadim237 3 October 2019 16: 10
              -6
              “But who can dismiss Nabiullina?” And why dismiss her - the central bank is working regularly and allocates 98% of its profits to the budget.
              1. Harry.km
                Harry.km 5 October 2019 08: 23
                +2
                Quote: Vadim237
                And why dismiss her - the central bank is working properly to allocate 98% of profits to the budget.

                And do you think that the main task of the Central Bank is the allocation of profit?
                Tin ...))
          2. your1970
            your1970 3 October 2019 19: 27
            +1
            Quote: Svarog
            Yes, at least they fired, without the right to occupy leadership positions. But in general, everything goes from the head .. Under Stalin it’s not even possible to imagine such a bacchanalYu..
            read about Zhikharev’s career - which in the eyes Stalin lied and him for it ... shot right there (war !!) ??? no, exiled to the Far East ... and not a lieutenant ....
  2. YOUR
    YOUR 3 October 2019 05: 41
    +16
    But don’t talk about Russians working poorly. The Svobodnensky gas processing plant is being built, almost only migrant workers are working, for some reason they do not take ours. If anyone managed to get it, then basically either security or drivers. Several acquaintances carry various cargoes at their gas processing plants in their vehicles. Mata heard from them about the workers. For happiness, if it runs into our brigade, but mostly Tajiks, Kazakhs, Turks. Unload the car for several hours. And just a loader or a crane lifted the bundles of reinforcement aside.
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 3 October 2019 07: 21
      +15
      Quote: YOUR
      but mostly Tajiks, Kazakhs, Turks. Unload the car for several hours. And just a loader or a crane lifted the bundles of reinforcement aside.

      That is why they are recruiting because they have no place to go and no place to run away. Dial locals, it’s good if they just run away, otherwise they can complain to VVP, as to the “Vostochny” or the Kuril Islands. And what's next? Showdown with the prosecutor's office?
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 3 October 2019 09: 56
      +6
      Quote: YOUR
      The Svobodnensky gas processing plant is being built, almost only migrant workers are working, for some reason they do not take ours.

      They are now even building churches, contrary to all the canons of faith! laughing
  3. lucul
    lucul 3 October 2019 06: 05
    -8
    The effect of a wage increase (return on labor productivity) works until a certain point, then no matter how much you increase your salary, the return will not increase. There have already been studies on this subject in the West.
    1. Mwg
      Mwg 3 October 2019 06: 17
      +16
      Remarkably, based on this logic, you can not pay salaries at all.
      Labor productivity does not depend on the size of the salary, but on the optimization of the labor process, which is the concern of the employer, not the employee. And if the employer is greedy, then his workers are to blame for everything: both lazy and thieves
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 3 October 2019 09: 58
        +4
        Quote: MVG
        Remarkably, based on this logic, you can not pay salaries at all.

        There is still logic there, and it is different. If you pay a million per month, you will not be able to work around the clock for a month. But the problem is not this, but the fact that the growth of s \ n is lower than the rise in prices. But it should be the other way around. hi
        1. Mwg
          Mwg 3 October 2019 12: 12
          +1
          "the growth of wages is lower than the rise in prices" - You most likely meant the formal growth of wages? Since an increase of 10% is formally an increase in salary and an increase of 01% is formally an increase in salary.
    2. Avior
      Avior 3 October 2019 06: 29
      +5
      Exactly, you need to learn from this research in the West this particular moment, and do the same ....
    3. paul3390
      paul3390 3 October 2019 08: 04
      +6
      Oligarchs and effective managers are also affected? wink
    4. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 3 October 2019 09: 34
      +9
      Quote: lucul
      The effect of wage increases (return in labor productivity) works up to a certain point, then how many do not raise your salary - the return will not increase. There have already been studies on this subject in the West.

      You stand near the draped Mausoleum and quote all this bullshit to the deputies of the State Duma, SovFed, officials, effective managers ... Labor productivity is increased by increasing the technical literacy of staff, using modern equipment and tools, a planned work schedule, compliance with sanitary standards and living conditions, and most importantly -
      KNOWLEDGE OF OWN RESPONSIBILITIES AND CLEAR FULFILLMENT OF THE TASKS.
      What kind of increase in labor productivity can be discussed if in the structure of the enterprise’s managers ITR positions are occupied by relatives and close associates who, in principle, have no duties (except for the right to check and receive high salaries) or simply duplicate the duties of other employees.
      Western research ended with looking at the experience of the USSR there began to reduce the working day, increase wages and expand social guarantees. This Swedish socialism did not grow out of English capitalism ...
      Today, Russia is slowly and steadily returning to the sunset era of the Russian Empire. When the country could not produce anything ... We can rejoice at some successes in military construction.
  4. Mwg
    Mwg 3 October 2019 06: 12
    +21
    Yes Yes. This is a problem from "effective managers" who happily report their success upwards, and down through their teeth hiss "I don’t like it, quit, we’ll recruit others." My wife works in a near-federal structure, so they have a specialist's salary of 12 thousand. How their employees live on this money is not clear. The turnover, therefore, the quality decreases. Management requires experienced workers to go to work on weekends or work in the evenings for beginners. But the management itself consistently receives bonuses for "results" and there is no turnover among them.
  5. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 3 October 2019 06: 14
    +26
    we are steadily going to the bottom and there are no real improvements, but for every trifle the fanfare blows red, I am surprised at the people (and there are many of them) who believe the whole official life
    1. Varyag71
      Varyag71 3 October 2019 09: 15
      +7
      Drive in YouTube about babies and retirement age. She says that a woman retires and then still lives 30-40 years old ... And something needs to be done with this !!!! And it almost requires an increase in raising the retirement age.
      1. Massimo
        Massimo 3 October 2019 17: 26
        +1
        After the birth, she threw this lady right away in the cold, and if she works out more seriously on a given topic
  6. Mainbeam
    Mainbeam 3 October 2019 06: 15
    +15
    driving almost three quarters of the population into poverty, he really achieved the coveted financial stability.

    precisely noticed
  7. Strashila
    Strashila 3 October 2019 06: 32
    +6
    "They say the Russians do not work well. Have you tried to pay them more?", In fact, what is labor productivity and what is produced in Ireland and Luxembourg, which occupy the first places in terms of productivity. As a result, everything rests on a simple thing, how money remains in the country, in fact they are counted.
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    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 3 October 2019 13: 49
      -8
      Your USSR has already been taken there - with Putin we just got out of there.
  9. Gaersul
    Gaersul 3 October 2019 06: 59
    +24
    Good morning to all. Regarding paying more. Managers do not want to pay workers. For example, there is an enterprise that works on state defense orders, the enterprise produces a product that is successfully accepted by the Moscow Region and takes up combat duty. Do you think the team will be given a bonus? Well, almost - a bonus to the management, and in the workshops, a decrease in salaries for the next month, a funny coincidence - isn't it? So they did not pay and will not pay.
    1. d4rkmesa
      d4rkmesa 3 October 2019 08: 30
      +10
      Fortunately, all this is regulated in an extremely tough and fair way - there are almost no young people who want to work in factories: the salary is low, travel abroad, etc. And then a cry will begin that there is no one to work. Actually, this has already been happening and is happening, and not everywhere, far from everywhere it turns out to fulfill the state defense order. Examples where a similar turning point has already occurred: yes, the same health care - no officials can compensate for the loss of specialists, who, leaving at once, move from a low-paid category to a high-paid one. And earlier the same thing happened with IT specialists (namely specialists) - there is a huge selection of vacancies and many times less idiocy, as in enterprises working for public defense.
  10. Shuttle
    Shuttle 3 October 2019 07: 08
    +13
    T.N. financial gurus do not convince the political elite, but serve its interests. These very gurus are part of the political ruling elite, part of the ruling class, the class of the large financial and industrial bourgeoisie. Everything, as Mr. Karl described, is the dictatorship of the big financial and industrial bourgeoisie.
  11. Stas157
    Stas157 3 October 2019 07: 25
    +4
    . Some experts, for example, from the Russian Direct Investment Fund (RDIF), don't share the alarm federal departments referring to wider Rosstat data.

    Well done, smart guys. They know for sure that Rosstat will tweak it where necessary and eventually give the "correct" statistics.
  12. rocket757
    rocket757 3 October 2019 07: 31
    +14
    Nevertheless, the RDIF already reminds us that the PMI production survey has a “narrow focus” and is not representative enough. You might think that in Russia now at least someone really believes Rosstat.

    It is interesting if the INDUSTRY is in the railway station, what, with everything else, will become SERVICE ???
    Again, gas, oil, raw materials to sell, but must we buy?
    in the first quarter they were funded by only 12,8 percent, and in the second they did not reach 30. What other effective demand is there after that? No, by the end of the year, officials can keep up and spend all 100 percent on national projects, but this is from a completely different story ...

    officials they are, the digital HOW to knock out, they can! Just with the COUNTRY will be, in the end .....
    1. Alf
      Alf 3 October 2019 20: 26
      +3
      Quote: rocket757
      Just with the COUNTRY will be, in the end .....

      Does it bother them?
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 3 October 2019 20: 45
        0
        In general, entertaining geography! but it matters only when there is a direct violation of our laws or in the case when a civil servant harms the country, citizens, steals! Then it is worth adding.
        1. Alf
          Alf 3 October 2019 20: 51
          +5
          Quote: rocket757
          In general, entertaining geography! but it matters only when there is a direct violation of our laws or in the case when a civil servant harms the country, citizens, steals! Then it is worth adding.

          A person who has the citizenship of another country will not be interested in the development of the country of residence. She will be interested in him only as a place of earnings, no more.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 3 October 2019 20: 57
            0
            It is very likely, but you cannot go to the prosecutor with such allegations.
            1. Alf
              Alf 3 October 2019 21: 07
              +7
              Quote: rocket757
              It is very likely, but you cannot go to the prosecutor with such allegations.

              1. Yes
              2. If the prosecutor himself does not have a mansion in the sultry Spain.
              1. Lexus
                Lexus 3 October 2019 23: 00
                +3
                Good night! hi
                Vasily, your list is just a page that has dropped out of the modern "Great Russian Encyclopedia". If the personal yacht of the vice mayor of one Siberian city suffered a disaster off the coast of Sardinia, then what can we say about officials of higher rank, of whom there are many thousands.
                As they say, the fish has already rotted from the head, since the maggots "pricked up the skis."
              2. rocket757
                rocket757 4 October 2019 06: 55
                0
                Quote: Alf
                1. Yes
                2. If the prosecutor himself does not have a mansion in sultry Spain

                This is also the current reality.
                Here, either run and run, or change reality!
  13. EvilLion
    EvilLion 3 October 2019 08: 07
    -11
    You can immediately see the "economist" whose money does not arise as a result of labor, but out of nowhere. If we raise the salary for everyone, then there will be just inflation in the country, and everything will come back.

    Well, they also protested against the pension reform, not realizing that pension is what the state takes away from workers.
    1. d4rkmesa
      d4rkmesa 3 October 2019 08: 20
      +9
      The author is right that there is no demand - there is no growth of the economy, industry, etc. All this is amplified by depopulation. And low labor productivity, by the way, is also a consequence. Because many enterprises could increase production> 50% if there is demand for the same equipment, but they cannot. In the United States, the foodstamp program is more than half a century old, but only our tough monetarists strangle everything so that there is no inflation.
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 3 October 2019 11: 37
        -10
        The country is so lacking in demand and impoverished, that in spite of all the U.S. campaigns and the Kyrgyz Republic, car sales are growing. And this, by the way, is one of the most characteristic signs of a population’s income level. So it’s not very clear what demand is not in the country. There is a population in the country with sufficient funds to buy something interesting for itself. Moreover, in the country it is impossible, for example, to increase agricultural production without increasing exports or crowding out imports, since a person physically cannot eat more than he gets into it. In the same way, a person will not buy 10 TVs, or 3 washing machines.
        1. d4rkmesa
          d4rkmesa 3 October 2019 12: 01
          +11
          >> car sales are growing in the country
          Is it growing relative to last year? Not a fact yet. And so sales have not yet come close to the level of 2012. And if you look at the manufacturers' data, then in general a paragraph, the difference is 2 times.
          >> So it's not very clear what demand there is in the country.
          As usual, retailers have been recording a decline in retail demand for years. People trite save on food, save hard. The same milk for 70+ rubles is already being bought less and less. Alcohol, again - but this is still the moment when it is even a positive trend. Some would be glad to eat more, but not at all.
        2. Lannan Shi
          Lannan Shi 3 October 2019 13: 23
          +1
          Quote: EvilLion
          The country is so lacking in demand and impoverished, that in spite of all the U.S. campaigns and the Kyrgyz Republic, car sales are growing. And this, by the way, is one of the most characteristic signs of a population’s income level.

          This is complete bullshit, not an indicator. The debt of the population to banks exceeded 16 trillion. Or 110.000 per nose, including infants and senior citizens. Or simply put ... You have glitches. There are no private cars in the country at all. With the exception of very pathos. And what you see as a car is not a car. This is the debt figure.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 3 October 2019 16: 21
            -3
            Half of the population has no debts - and this year the population spent 1,6 trillion rubles on the purchase of new cars.
            1. Beringovsky
              Beringovsky 3 October 2019 23: 36
              +1
              New car sales in Russia have been falling for three consecutive months. According to the Association of European Businesses (AEB), 151 thousand passenger cars and light commercial vehicles were sold in June compared to 156 thousand a year earlier (minus 3,3%). However, in May the decline was even stronger (by 6,7%).

              The Russian market also finished the first half of the year with a fall of 2,4%. For six months, 829 thousand new cars were sold instead of 849 thousand for the same period of 2018. And this despite the fact that on March 1 the state programs of preferential car loans “First car” (for those who buy a car for the first time) and “Family car” (for families with two or more children) were resumed
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 3 October 2019 09: 45
      +9
      Quote: EvilLion
      Well, they also protested against pension reform, not understanding that pension is what the state takes away from workers.

      I didn’t graduate from your economic universities, but I know for sure that each productive worker earns his small pension and the large pension of an official and other civil servants (even those with sticks chasing demonstrators). And the new pension reform (you, probably, its supporter) will allow in the future to remove from this chain the most working (until his death) and his pension.
      Sorry! stop The most important thing. Hard workers also contain 130 workers of the RF PF - worthless parasites. All calculations of payments can be made in the accounting department of the enterprise. And there, upon retirement, give a document for the right to receive with transfer to the pension department under the Russian government.
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 3 October 2019 11: 52
        -13
        More people will work, less will be spent on retirement. What's wrong? In Japan, for example, the retirement age is 70 years for everyone.

        As for some deductions to the PF, there is some difference between money, as a certain expendable right to receive some goods and actually consume these goods. A pensioner living at the current time, for example, consumes housing services right now, and he buys food right now. That is, it is all confiscated from those who work right now, and not from the pensioner himself.

        And it reminded me that Yelena Prudnikova spoke on the Goblin channel, which you can’t blame liberal views, I don’t remember what the topic was, but they touched on this, and I neighed for a long time when she directly said that the retirement age should be raised, since earlier, by 60, a person used to work so well that he could only sit on a bench. The goblin, ofigel, apparently thought that he would start how to whine about anti-people power. For home-grown fighters for the rights of workers, this, of course, will cause shock. But the fact is the fact, we have already forgotten how a person who really smelled all his life in the village looks like. This is the first time I saw an Indian movie from the 50's, a twisted grandmother with dried hands. Not some modern computer graphics, but really a person like that, 50 years old who worked in the field in the heat. And compare this with our 60-year-old men who still plow and plow. But the people we have are like that, he doesn’t want to go to work, but he’ll always work in the garden with a shovel, he’s always welcome, and then for the sake of a bucket of rotten apples and a bag of potatoes, he should go on groaning that his legs hurt, his back hurts.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 3 October 2019 14: 57
          +9
          Quote: EvilLion
          But our people are like that, he doesn’t want to go to work,

          Here you are always liberals our people are not happy, not the one caught .. need to get rid ..
          Who told you that people don’t want to go to work? I haven’t met such people, but they really don’t want to work for pathetic pennies ..
        2. Revival
          Revival 3 October 2019 16: 08
          +5
          1. Name then life expectancy in Japan.
          2. In your opinion, a person should retire not earlier than the state of "huddled on a bench to sit"?
          Then everything is clear with you, it was by this logic that they made the reform: left = dead.
        3. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 3 October 2019 16: 39
          +3
          Quote: EvilLion
          More people will work, less will be spent on retirement

          It is clear that this is beneficial for the state, only then why then? What size of the pension was announced during the adoption of this reform? Elbasy drove the country into such an economic impasse that it’s necessary to disentangle about 10 years. A country with an inexhaustible oil reserves near Zimbabwe
      2. Den717
        Den717 3 October 2019 11: 58
        -6
        Quote: ROSS 42
        All calculations of payments can be made in the accounting department of the enterprise.

        Especially in those enterprises where the accountant "comes once a week", and the enterprise itself does its best not to list anything in the FIU.
        Quote: ROSS 42
        And the new pension reform (you, probably, its supporter) will allow in the future to remove from this chain of the most working (until his death)

        You have not been in this chain before. Contributions to the Pension Fund - a kind of tax on the employer for the right to open a vacancy in the staff list. Where is the worker here? According to new proposals, he may appear in this chain if he begins to pay his contribution to the FIU.
        Quote: ROSS 42
        I didn’t graduate from your economic universities, but I know for sure that every productive worker earns his small pension and large pension

        It is a pity that you graduated neither from "our" universities, nor from your own in economics. Then you would imagine how the PFR budget is formed, what goes there, and what is spent on. These "worthless parasites", together with officials and civil servants with sticks, provide a service thanks to which you live in peace and another "hard worker" like you did not run over you on the road, did not flood from the upper floor, did not throw you out of your apartment to die on the street ..... and much more. For this you pay, but you do not support and you do not earn on their pension. They do it themselves without your participation. But studying and retiring is not a sin. You have all the possibilities for this, if you wish.
        1. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 3 October 2019 16: 48
          +5
          Quote: Den717
          These "worthless parasites", together with officials and civil servants with sticks, provide a service thanks to which you live in peace

          There are now more officials in Russia than there were in the USSR. Https: //www.rbc.ru/economics/15/10/2014/543cfe56cbb20f8c4e0b98f2
          And this despite the fact that now everything is computerized
          1. Den717
            Den717 3 October 2019 17: 18
            -4
            Quote: Pilat2009
            There are now more officials in Russia than there were in the USSR

            More than in the USSR, but less than in Canada. And so what? How much do you need? According to the plan for 2020, there will be a reduction (as promised) of state functions and the number of officials by 200 people. Will this be good? Nobody knows. And this reduced 000, what, will go to dig the channel? Or to mine coal? No. They will take the same places in the organized LLCs and will perform functions related to the former. They will only lose something from the "class" of officials, for example, the obligation to declare income or not have commercial interests over the hill. Does it make you feel better? Hardly...
            1. Pilat2009
              Pilat2009 4 October 2019 09: 23
              +1
              Quote: Den717
              Does it make you feel better? Hardly...

              This is about the question of officials of the pension fund including. And about the mansions that he builds for himself
              1. Den717
                Den717 4 October 2019 11: 57
                -3
                Quote: Pilat2009
                This is about the question of officials of the pension fund including. And about the mansions that he builds for himself

                Go and work in the FIU, find out how worthless they are. And also keep in mind that in our country there are not only million-plus cities, but also thousands of cities and settlements of a smaller scale, and they also need PFR employees, because people live there and need the services of the PFR. The foresters were cut down, now they don't know how to put things in order in the forest. And yes, the bodies of the PFR are occupied by historical buildings, yes, they are building new ones for them. Do you want them to move to dugouts? In general, all these discussions of issues, in which 99% of those discussing do not understand anything and have no idea, are akin to some kind of madness. Here is a man who is proud that he "did not graduate from universities," then why, one wonders, give advice with his near-primary education where academicians cannot figure it out? Is it your favorite pastime in your free time to carry out blatant nonsense and expose your illiteracy?
    3. Vikxnumx
      Vikxnumx 3 October 2019 11: 07
      +3
      Have you tried to review personal income tax?
      According to the Western model, for example, and not according to related Russian concepts!
    4. Vadim237
      Vadim237 3 October 2019 16: 15
      -6
      "You can immediately see the" economist "who has money not as a result of labor, but out of nowhere." Well, you know these Soviet economists.
    5. Harry.km
      Harry.km 5 October 2019 08: 36
      -2
      Quote: EvilLion
      Well, they also protested against the pension reform, not realizing that pension is what the state takes away from workers.

      Selects for a while, and returns with interest ...
  14. d4rkmesa
    d4rkmesa 3 October 2019 08: 13
    +2
    “For Keynes, it should be widespread, but for our Ministry of Finance, the Ministry of Economy and the Central Bank, it should be somehow limited for the elite” - God be with you, what Keynes, there is a monetarist sect in the government, the Central Bank and the Ministry of Finance. They have, just to stifle inflation, at any cost. ))
  15. Konatantin 1992
    Konatantin 1992 3 October 2019 08: 23
    +8
    Not well, according to the Federal State Statistics Service, we normally earn everything))) they’ll indulge with the calculation method and generally the salaries of the norms will be ...
    1. Harry.km
      Harry.km 5 October 2019 08: 39
      0
      Quote: Konatantin 1992
      even with the calculation method they will indulge and in general the salaries of the norms will be ...

      ... they will be pampered and will cease to pay at all.
  16. Den717
    Den717 3 October 2019 08: 34
    +2
    but the other day the Accounts Chamber reported on the financing of the notorious national projects in the first half of the year. So, in the first quarter they were financed only by 12,8 percent, and in the second they did not reach 30. What other effective demand is there after that? No, by the end of the year officials can keep up and all 100

    Let's try to land from heaven to earth. What is happening with the execution of the "notorious national projects"? And nothing terrible happens. For example, the budget year begins; the entire first quarter is spent on seeing money for events that fall under project financing for me, as a legal entity. Even if the preparation for these events was carried out during the previous year, and we know exactly what we will do (i.e. there is no need to spend time on calculations and collecting needs and justifications for events) and we have projects and estimates for holding tenders, in In the new year, these projects need to be adjusted for inflation, introduced modernized coefficients, etc. in the project documentation. Then this documentation (estimate) in most cases must undergo an examination. This is another 45 days, but the "pleasure" can extend the comments of the experts and their elimination. Then at least a month and a half of trading procedures in accordance with 44FZ. By the end of the second quarter, we receive a signed contract with a contractor for the execution of works and supplies. As a legal entity, I hardly pay money for all these events, i.e. in the accounting department, the disbursement of funds for the national project does not occur. The second half of the year is coming. If our contract involves payment for work in stages, then a small increase in the development of project funds begins. And here it is quite natural to expect figures close to 30% at the end of the half-year. In most cases, I judge by myself, we pay under a contract (from the category of project ones, not to be confused with annual contracts with monthly payments, such as maintenance or fuel and lubricants and others) in one payment for all work. This happens by the end of the year or, at best, in the third quarter after the acceptance of all works, elimination of comments, etc. The race begins by the end of the year, because the bulk of project financing for the next year is not transferred and the funds can be used only in the current budget year. This is our budgetary order. And this is not the fault of the "officials", they work in the field that has been created for them. When the Accounts Chamber begins to sigh about the 30% utilization of the project money at the end of the six months, this indicates their poor understanding of how people live on earth, how real work is done, at what point in time, where and how much money is transferred, and how those the numbers in the reports that it (the chamber) is trying to grasp. And it would not be bad for journalists with doctors to go deeper into practice from theory sometimes. Then sober reasoning, sound proposals and economic growth will appear. Yet Marx was right - practice is the criterion of truth. Please do not catch me on the terms, I am not an accountant or an economist, I just do the thing that the accounting department then draws up.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 3 October 2019 10: 06
      +8
      Quote: Den717
      The race begins by the end of the year, because the bulk of project financing for the next year does not go over and funds can be used only in the current budget year.

      So you will also be "pulled" for not using the allocated money. But the question of when all this can be done does not bother anyone. Ex-wife is an accountant at school, same song. hi
      1. Den717
        Den717 3 October 2019 11: 40
        +1
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        So you will also be "pulled" for not using the allocated money.

        You see, you don’t agree with the sofas laughing ... But in fact I will say more. It happens, and often, when savings appear as a result of auctions. And the more this savings, the more problematic it can be to master it competently and in the business. terms are very limited. This is where all sorts of "bursts" of public interest in paying for an unfinished contract periodically arise. But everything is simple - the theoreticians write the rules, and these rules are then applied in practice very crookedly and with great costs of various kinds.
    2. Umalta
      Umalta 4 October 2019 00: 30
      +1
      I plus you, because I encounter the stupidity of high-ranking durools who do not know the reality every day and their actions are not always so catastrophic, because so far there are people with excellent professional training.
  17. igorra
    igorra 3 October 2019 08: 35
    +12
    The landlords are completely overwhelmed: they are forced to write statements on a shorter working day, so as not to pay a new mole and so everything is in envelopes, and then a miserable 2000 and then we are ready to strangle ourselves. Not only about the prosecutor's office and labor inspection, with paid work at the seams. Everywhere on doom or meeting relatives.
  18. Boris55
    Boris55 3 October 2019 08: 36
    +11
    We do not work poorly, but someone badly manages.

    Due to greed or thoughtlessness? In principle, this is not so important. An elite that is unable to provide forward movement will be swept away.

    If the elite allowed itself to hide management knowledge from the people, then the responsibility for the consequences of such a decision rests entirely with it and there is nothing to translate from a sore point to a healthy arrow.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 3 October 2019 10: 07
      0
      Quote: Boris55
      An elite that is unable to provide forward movement will be swept away.

      But only when?
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 3 October 2019 11: 03
        -3
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        But only when?

        They rule us as much as we allow ourselves to rule us.

        Once each of us has mastered basic knowledge of management, the elite will not be able to rule in the old way. This is akin to the fact that while the child is small, he is gullible and easy to manage, but as soon as the child has grown and his knowledge becomes equal to you or higher, you are no longer able to rule him in the old way.

        In this case, the parent has to convince him of the correctness of his decision or initially not give him knowledge superior to yours and successfully use the unreasonableness of the child, exploiting him in his own interests, which is what the current "elite" of our society is successfully doing without realizing that breeding a swamp around him this swamp will certainly swallow them up. In other words, degrading society around them, degradation will undoubtedly affect them - and why strain the gyrus if everything around is without convolutions.

        ps
        The previous experience of all generations has proved that not one revolution did not bring the promised happiness to the common people, with the exception of the "revolution" of 1924. The change in the social order must take place in an evolutionary way, without bloodletting and lowering us into the Stone Age.
        1. region58
          region58 4 October 2019 12: 41
          +1
          Quote: Boris55
          The previous experience of all generations has proved that not one revolution has brought the promised people the promised happiness

          Any revolution generates instability in the country, which almost always turns into a civil war. I would not want to. In the nineties, "along the edge" passed ...
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 3 October 2019 16: 24
      +3
      And someone works poorly and does not manage well - this criterion does not apply to everyone.
  19. Rostislav
    Rostislav 3 October 2019 09: 01
    -1
    They say that Russians work poorly. Have you tried to pay them more?

    Stupidity. People work the way they can, and not the way you pay them. Put Schumacher salary of 20 thousand rubles. Does he crash into the first pillar? And if you offer $ 100000, can you overtake him?
    "As you pay me, so I work" - the slogan of the lazy and inept, a clumsy attempt to justify themselves.
    Any salary after 3 months is already perceived as a matter of course and ceases to be an incentive, any psychologist will confirm.
    Everyone works as they can, and relate to work the way their dad and mom raised. And do not confuse qualifications and attitudes to work, determined by the presence of conscience in everyone.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 3 October 2019 09: 54
      +6
      Quote: Rostislav
      Stupidity. People work the way they can, and not the way you pay them.

      You replicate stupidity. Those who actually worked are aware of a sharp increase in labor productivity when performing the so-called "Sabbaths" and "Kalyms". That's what life-giving power is earning labor creates... belay
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 3 October 2019 10: 10
      +2
      Quote: Rostislav
      And if you offer $ 100000, can you overtake him?

      No, Schumacher will simply leave the sport for 20 tons. And if they pay in F1, then F1 will simply disappear as a form of motorsport.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 3 October 2019 13: 52
        -4
        Schumacher and the whole Formula 1 - in the first place, the loot is brought by advertising of world brands.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 3 October 2019 14: 12
          +3
          Who cares where the money comes from, Vadik! The question is if in F1, or in any other industry, pay a penny, and the exhaust from this industry will be penny. If you want to develop production, you need not skimp on equipment and trained personnel.
    3. Nestorych
      Nestorych 3 October 2019 11: 47
      +4
      It’s absolutely correct, but all non-material motivations are based on the fact that a person should initially receive decent money!
    4. Lannan Shi
      Lannan Shi 3 October 2019 13: 31
      -2
      Quote: Rostislav
      Any salary after 3 months is already perceived as a matter of course and ceases to be an incentive, any psychologist will confirm.

      Rave. When they worked in the province of Vyatka, local hard workers (laborers) held their teeth for 90 re per hour. And not 3 months, but 5 years. And when I had to choose 5 people who work not 10 hours but 12, and get 180 re more, there are 25 people who want to and 35, out of 50 on the list.
  20. BAI
    BAI 3 October 2019 09: 27
    +14
    recorded a record low level of business activity in manufacturing industries. The PMI fell to 46,3 points from 49,1 in August. For the indicator to be considered positive, there must be more than 50, if less, and long enough, we can talk about the threat of recession.

    There can be no rich state with a poor population. To develop the economy you need a solvent population. But he is not. Therefore, the economy will not develop. Only export raw materials to import finished products. Raw materials will end - only trade in land and water will remain. Here immediately and the Kuril Islands and Lake Baikal will be sold.
  21. AB
    AB 3 October 2019 09: 35
    +6
    It is ridiculous to talk about raising salaries if all orders go through auctions. And there everything is simple, unless of course you are not interested in your victory, whoever asks for less money won. Often these are firms without either qualified personnel or their technological capacities. Professionals cannot fall below the cost of work. T.ch. Small and medium-sized businesses are not able to provide high salaries to their employees; if you want money, go to a state corporation, but they will not be enough for everyone ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 3 October 2019 16: 28
      +1
      "Average business is not able to provide high salaries to its employees" - As much as it can.
  22. bar
    bar 3 October 2019 10: 24
    +3
    the number of people employed in those same manufacturing sectors, which are key for the industrial sector, began to fall. The service sector, and even more so the agricultural one, is currently unable to quickly absorb excess personnel resources.

    Here is a continuation of the recent article "Working specialties in Russia today are not in vogue." What is the fashion for working in a depressed industry with the prospect of being on the street? It is better not to waste on unnecessary training and immediately go to work as a loader in a magnet.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 3 October 2019 16: 30
      -1
      "It is better not to waste on unnecessary training and immediately go to work as a loader in a magnet." And the unclaimed work will fall into an even greater depression - it is not at all.
      1. bar
        bar 3 October 2019 17: 22
        -1
        You are mistaken when there is no demand. Sales representatives, freight forwarders, movers at the warehouse, etc. workers serving trade are in constant demand, in contrast to skilled workers. And naschet "none" - it is as it is paid for. In this sense, the work of a qualified specialist is usually no more. Moreover, it is risky, with a constant risk of flying out into the street during the next "optimization" of the enterprise.
  23. vlados
    vlados 3 October 2019 11: 19
    0
    The problem is that a stable salary will not always stimulate conscientious work. Human needs are growing all the time; the enterprise in which he works is developing (possibly) and requires more work from him. Naturally, he doesn’t think until he is raised his salary. Well, they raised it. Six months later, a sharp jump in the dollar or something else, and again he needs more money. And the company is drummed, it cannot every six months promote people in the post, and even more so just increase their salaries. Which exit? Look not at the USA, but here, for example, at Sweden.
    Each employee in an industrial enterprise has a certain (depending on the position) percentage of shares. Further, I think, no need to explain. Work efficiently and your stock will go up. Then you will go to another job and sell them. Or leave it, your business. They gave them to you, you don’t lose anything, you only earn. Just imagine how much the employees of Gazprom, Rosneft, etc. could get if they were given at least 0,0001% of the shares ... And everyone would work, and the country would be lifted from its knees. But no, we were stuck in the 20th century, give a salary.
  24. TAMBU
    TAMBU 3 October 2019 11: 22
    +6
    As grandfather Marx said, the worker gets just enough not to glue his flippers and work on ... this is the essence of the phrase "class exploitation" ...
  25. Nestorych
    Nestorych 3 October 2019 11: 43
    -2
    Such a surge of consciousness, everything is mixed.) Everyone understands that there is no money in the economy, and there is no development. In the issue of labor productivity, the financial motivation of an employee goes far from the first place; moreover, it has been scientifically proven that financial motivation stops working fast enough, a person gets used to a period of 6 months.
    Factors affecting labor productivity (by priority):

    1) Material and technical factors

    They are associated with the use of new technology, advanced technology, new types of raw materials. The solution to the problems of improving production is achieved by:

    - introduction of new advanced technologies;
    - automation of technological processes, equipment modernization;
    - the use of new types of raw materials, advanced materials, and other measures.

    2) Organizational and economic factors

    They are determined by the level of organization of labor, production and management. Organizational factors of labor productivity largely determine the degree of real economic return on material and technical factors. These include: improving the organization of production management, including:

    - improving the structure of the management apparatus;
    - improvement of production management systems;
    - improving the operational management of the production process;
    - improving the organization of production, including: improving the material, technical and personnel preparation of production; improving the organization of production units and the arrangement of equipment in the main production; improvement of the organization of auxiliary services and farms: transport, storage, energy, instrumental, household and other types of production services;
    - improving the organization of labor, including: improving the division and cooperation of labor, the use of multi-station services, expanding the sphere of combining professions and functions; use of advanced labor methods and techniques; improving the organization and maintenance of jobs; the application of technically sound labor costs standards, the expansion of the scope of labor standards for workers - time-attendants and office workers; the use of flexible forms of labor organization; improving professional recruitment, improving their training and professional development; improvement of working conditions, rationalization of work and rest; improving wage systems, increasing their catalytic role.

    3) Socio-psychological factors

    - management style in departments and at enterprises in general and, most importantly, the right motivation of employees;
    - the quality of labor collectives;
    - their socio-demographic composition, level of training, discipline, labor activity and creative initiative of workers, a system of value orientations.

    4) social conditions in which labor takes place.

    In the conditions of development of market relations, social conditions are also aggravating, which, on the one hand, inhibit, and on the other, stimulate the growth of labor productivity.

    - increase in unemployment;
    - increased competition for producers;
    - small business development and others.
  26. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 3 October 2019 11: 43
    +7
    IMF instructions, WTO rules, amended Constitution of the Russian Federation, what kind of economic growth in Russia can we talk about ???? !!!! Money and other assets are withdrawn abroad, while the Russian Federation is really a commodity country that produces almost nothing on its own. People get only miserable crumbs .... and we constantly hear this word -BUDGET ...... even though it is purely nominal .....
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 3 October 2019 13: 57
      -3
      "Money and other assets are transferred abroad, while the Russian Federation is really a raw material country that practically does not produce anything on its own." - All my assets are in Russia, and the other 46 business acquaintances have all the assets in Russia. "The Russian Federation does not produce anything on its own" - This is complete nonsense.
      1. karabass
        karabass 3 October 2019 15: 12
        0
        It’s not true that business is moving from the hinterland to MOSCOW and Moscow Region and many dream of leaving the country
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 3 October 2019 16: 33
          0
          “It’s not true now business is moving from the hinterland to MOSCOW and Moscow region” - Well, yes, we have no other cities - St. Petersburg, Yekaterinburg, Novosibirsk, Krasnodar and many other cities.
          1. karabass
            karabass 3 October 2019 21: 35
            +1
            Yes, perhaps you’re right, everyone is leaving Volgograd or want to leave, but the trend is not so hot
      2. Alexey-74
        Alexey-74 3 October 2019 15: 55
        +2
        Your assets, including those, are percentages from the sale of minerals and other resources belonging to the Russian Federation. In the new Constitution, you will no longer find words that reinforce you - as a citizen’s right to everything in this country. A discount from all this gets 1-2% of oligarchs and companies. Your assets are pension savings that burned out after two pension reforms, etc. And you probably consider only your salary and the apartment (house) you bought or inherited as assets - ??? ... there are really very few leftovers about production in Russia, there are leftovers from the USSR. Read at your leisure for the heavy, processing, chemical, metallurgical and other industries under the Union and now - even simple statistics are depressing ....
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 3 October 2019 16: 56
          -4
          "Your assets, among other things, are interest from the sale of minerals and other resources belonging to the Russian Federation." You offend me, I have most of the assets: production equipment, services, warehouses, stocks, bonds, investments, including in precious metals, investments in agriculture, real estate, and from oil and gas I have only 8% of net profit - this is the repair of drilling equipment and dividends on shares. Don't worry about my "pension savings" - they will never burn out, as they are distributed over everything that can bring money. You do not compare the production of Russia with the USSR - then there was a planned economy, now it is a market economy and now in Russia there are more than 600000 of various enterprises and industries from the smallest to the largest, the country is huge - but I don't know exactly where, who, what produces here. I recently learned that in the Moscow region there is an office that produces a reinforced piston rod group made of titanium alloys, for the European charged sports cars SRS, for the most part 70% of their products are exported.
          1. Harry.km
            Harry.km 5 October 2019 09: 16
            0
            Quote: Vadim237
            I have a large part of assets: production equipment, services, warehouses, stocks, bonds, deposits including precious metals, investments in agriculture, real estate, and from oil and gas I have only 8% of net profit - this is repair of drilling equipment and dividends on stocks.

            Alisher Usmanov is it you ??? Relocate ...
      3. Umalta
        Umalta 4 October 2019 00: 11
        +2
        I do not think that your company makes up at least some significant percentage in the total production of the Russian Federation. Talk about the largest commodity companies and petrochemicals, aluminum, etc. I believe that medium and small businesses (not the service sector, but production) exist mainly not because of, but contrary to.
  27. Victorio
    Victorio 3 October 2019 12: 10
    -4
    Because we can not or because we do not want?
    ===
    because they’re so used to it, and even for money
  28. Campanella
    Campanella 3 October 2019 12: 36
    +6
    Apparently we do not know the secrets of the bourgeois.
    The truth of their titanic attempts is not known to us.
    But seriously, nothing can be raised with such a management structure, only scribbles reports.
    And the president at the table listens to them and makes adjustments. And so for 20 years and for this great service to them, regalia of state-level advisers, bonuses and increased pensions for hard work.
    Common sense is lost in a heap of empty bureaucratic proposals and initiatives.
    Here Peskov all the time declares that the president is in the know about everything ????
    If he knows and sees everything, then what? What can you call it? Preparing for the land?
  29. yehat
    yehat 3 October 2019 12: 40
    +6
    article author:
    long ago managed to convince of this and the entire political elite, right down to the top.

    the problem is that there is no alternative point of view in government
    all key posts are held by HSE graduates, whose competence even in the simplest models of economics raises big questions. And in principle, they do not know the development of production, how to do it - their theory concerns only the trade colonial economies, where there is only speculation and monetarism.
  30. DimerVladimer
    DimerVladimer 3 October 2019 12: 41
    +4
    driving almost three quarters of the population into poverty, they really achieved the coveted financial stability

    Why do they need a population?
    The economic block considers the population a burden - the main revenues - oil and gas and mineral extraction tax are twice as much as VAT, and secret expenses are almost the size of VAT.

    It is more profitable for them that the population is only in the amount that would serve the oil and gas sector and serve in the army.
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    2. DimerVladimer
      DimerVladimer 3 October 2019 12: 50
      0

      and compare with 2017 - what fell
      What increased to 20% ... but he fell?
      Woe to the government economists - the textbook doesn’t manage to control ...
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 3 October 2019 13: 59
      -4
      "And the expenses in the column on the right" - Is this your oil and gas sector?
  31. DimerVladimer
    DimerVladimer 3 October 2019 13: 08
    +5
    The economy is the body, money is the blood of the economy. Money needs a turnover so that it reaches the most remote corners of the "body". If the stream grows shallow, the organ withers and dies. The body does not yet feel this - large organs still have a large flow of money.

    Think a thousand, ten thousand cells died! The doctors-professors-economists spoke. We will now add VAT and incomes will recover, but as a result, the cash flow of even more cherel and cells died more and more ...

    If we start to extract working money from the economy, why should we take taxes if the turnover drops?
  32. andrew42
    andrew42 3 October 2019 13: 32
    +3
    To set salaries for federal ministers at 20-30 minimum wages, then the servants of the oligarchy will howl. The minimum wage will take off immediately. Fantastic, of course. But ... the replacement of the "post-capitalist" oligarchy with a socialist system is not at all a fantasy.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 3 October 2019 14: 05
      -4
      A “post-capitalist” oligarchy for a socialist system is not fiction at all. ”There will not be any socialist system, but if you cut 60% of all officials, you will get a maximum of 1,5 trillion rubles from this additional to the budget - money will not be drawn out of thin air and you will need them ten times more for everything about everything.
  33. sailor roman
    sailor roman 3 October 2019 13: 33
    +5
    The reason is understandable - it is poverty of the general population that limits the domestic market and prevents the development of our own industry in particular and the economy in general. A small handful of large and medium-sized owners are not able to provide the necessary volume of consumption. Therefore, the basic principle of expanding the domestic market is to improve the living standards of the poorest segments of the population.
    Of course, the domestic market is not a panacea for all ills, but its expansion for our country is the only chance to develop our industry. And the army of the poor cannot be satisfied with their position, which undermines the state principles with their distrust.
  34. steelmaker
    steelmaker 3 October 2019 13: 35
    +4
    The title of the article is "not in the eyebrow, but in the eye".
  35. mikle1999
    mikle1999 3 October 2019 16: 14
    +8
    Surprisingly, a Russian qualified specialist crossing the border immediately begins to work 10 times better. In any case, judging by the salary.
    1. Revival
      Revival 6 October 2019 00: 48
      +1
      Exactly, when someone leaves us, for example, in the silicone valley begins to receive 10 times more, then apparently the lazy dog ​​was reforged from the democratic air?
      Or oh, we just don’t get paid?
      Oh well, it can’t be!)
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 6 October 2019 01: 02
        -2
        Quote: Revival
        when someone leaves us, for example, in the Silicon Valley starts to receive 10 times more

        Have you seen many of these yourself? Or read on the fence?

        A guy works with me, he’s part-time now, and in Ryazan, in the middle ... a month. The programmer, like me, joke)))

        Quote: Revival
        Or oh, we just don’t get paid?

        They don’t pay for it just like that. They pay for your IP, but not enough. And normal pros are paid well here, I gave an example. Purely by the way.
        1. Revival
          Revival 6 October 2019 02: 21
          +1
          Yes, it’s not bad to pay for our IPs, but it’s a shame for the bulk of the population, I see my mother’s mother and wife’s mother and her sister and brother, they could hardly pull out without me ...
          So I'm spraying as I can, but, damn it, I got a little bit sick
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 6 October 2019 02: 25
            -3
            Quote: Revival
            pay for our ip is not bad

            There are two spelling errors in this phrase. For the current lawyer, this is ... strange, at least.

            Quote: Revival
            it’s a shame for the bulk of the population, I see from my mother and wife’s mother and her sister and my brother

            Unfortunately, no one expects the bulk of our population in Silicon Valley. For completely objective reasons.

            Not we such, Life is such request

            Quote: Revival
            So I'm spraying as I can, but, damn it, I got a little bit sick

            Similarly. I’m in a remote place now all sorts of crap control, so as not to break.

            But they pay me for it, and not bad yes
  36. cdrt
    cdrt 3 October 2019 17: 29
    0
    who works well does it well always.
    who works poorly will work poorly no matter how much you pay him. For thoughtless and scammer.
    tested repeatedly and with a large number of employees.
  37. boriz
    boriz 3 October 2019 22: 14
    +4
    And besides a normal salary, investments are needed in the modernization of production. Only then will labor productivity reach a decent level. And the monetization of the economy (according to various sources) is 4-8 times lower than the required level. Manufacturers do not have loans at a normal interest rate. So where does she come from, performance? And the main culprit here is precisely Nabiulina.
  38. AICEMAN1988
    AICEMAN1988 3 October 2019 22: 18
    +2
    It seems that when making decisions, our economists chop off the chicken's head and put the wheel of fortune into a drum circle, and depending on where the chicken died, they make certain movements.
  39. Lexus
    Lexus 3 October 2019 22: 41
    +2
    Yes, for such a salary it is necessary not only not to work, but also to harm a little bit! (C) Anecdote

    Whether you want it or not, "Our Russia" comes to mind.

    Video link:
    [media=https://rutube.ru/video/93e68e6cc5252da7f51cd081a43563b5/]
  40. Umalta
    Umalta 3 October 2019 23: 49
    0
    Elvira Sukhozadovna and the entire left-liberal economic bloc of the government of the Russian Federation are enemies of our peoples.
  41. wooja
    wooja 4 October 2019 00: 09
    +3
    The problem raised by the author is not particularly relevant, because it is unsolvable ...., in the framework of modern Russian politics, unfortunately the authorities do not want and cannot provide conditions for the normal functioning of the economy. The problem is not economic, but political ....
  42. Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 4 October 2019 02: 32
    +1
    That’s for sure, the Russians have to pay more and upgrade their machinery in the Russian Federation, then there will be an economic miracle in the Russian Federation ... but this is evident after the lady with the scythe comes for Chubais and the like, having cleansed Holy Russia!
  43. Karabas
    Karabas 4 October 2019 09: 27
    +1
    And it seems that the finally lost electorate is no longer scary.

    Why should they be scared? The security guard, pathetically called the Rosguard, will fool dissatisfied people if something happens. They also solder them for about 7 years, if they looked dissatisfied without respect in their direction. They are paid for this regularly and normally, they are happy to try.
  44. Dedok
    Dedok 4 October 2019 09: 59
    -1
    I don’t understand even: Related - almost no discussion, some bots on the site?
  45. place
    place 4 October 2019 10: 00
    0
    The Russians are the only nation in the history of mankind that, for the sake of "privatization", allowed them to ruin their country and even shoot their parliament from tanks in peacetime! If Russians love market relations to such an extent, why should they pay? Liberal ideas "shine" for them instead of the sun, they spread them on bread - eat them for health.
  46. Lynx33
    Lynx33 4 October 2019 13: 10
    -3
    As we love the mantra about poverty. However, it is worth leaving the house and you see: housing is being built in several city blocks at once, and apartments worth several million rubles diverge like hot cakes. You only approach the house that has been handed over, and the parking lot is full of new, by no means cheap, foreign cars, you drive along the street, every 10th car has a disabled sign, and the car is by no means a Lada, but something like a Hyundai cret or Renault Duster. Otkel money, Zin, you are our poor.
  47. vanavatny
    vanavatny 4 October 2019 23: 05
    +1
    I remind you: at the beginning of the year, the commander-in-chief promised: literally all the Russians will feel better already this year ... there are those who believe that this will not be an ordinary TV nonsense? Less than three months remain, but if you don’t wipe your eyes, you won’t see the start of a grandiose work , on the contrary, even in armored limousines, it seems, they drew attention to a certain drop in revenues, explaining, however, that this was actually reflected in us by the next strengthening of the macroeconomics ... and this is also a year of amazing discoveries for our president: it turned out, for example, that the demographic situation that has been talked about so much and corrected so well in recent years has suddenly turned into a catastrophe, that there is something that has been fondly called problems in the primary health care sector, that Putin’s powerful economic breakthrough is increasingly mentioned with the word recession ... anyway: already this year all Russians will feel better for the better ...
    1. Wolverine Wolverine
      Wolverine Wolverine 5 October 2019 16: 46
      +1
      There will be improvements but for the participants of the "Lake" cooperative, and the common people will continue to struggle from bread to water! There is no freedom of elections! Edro is being pushed everywhere, opposition parties are being thrown away!
  48. Wolverine Wolverine
    Wolverine Wolverine 5 October 2019 16: 44
    0
    The article is not for screaders and people with brain patriotism! They argued that salaries are certainly lower than in the US, but prices are much lower and should be enough!
  49. Sma11
    Sma11 5 October 2019 23: 30
    0
    Quote: Prosha
    I wrote about the stalls, to the fact that people need to be taught not only how to work, but how to make money, without the ability to organize production of anything, everything will end with a beer stall.
    Are you adventurous? Do you have any ideas? Do you have your own business? Then we go to you! (Advertising tax)
  50. trahterist
    trahterist 6 October 2019 08: 31
    0
    Quote: Uncle Lee
    Quote: Grandfather Kastary
    Have you tried to pay them more?
    Nope ... But what, it will give an effect? recourse

    In ... Therefore, sit in .ope with this approach ...
    Imagine, already gives, and for a long time.
    In the same 'rotting Britashka', for example.
    Try to squeeze at least a penny on a paycheck of some kind of 'enterprising and effective' to your hard worker, or do not provide the required working conditions, material support will be sent Immediately to the pedestrian erotic.
    And the methods 'where are you going / dozens of people behind the fence', etc. no longer canal.
    And you will disappear, and you will not find behind the fence during the day with fire (except maybe a drunk / drug addict).