In the USA declared that С-400 is not better than "Patriots"

The attacks of 14 September 2019 against oil facilities in Saudi Arabia continue to haunt the public. The American edition of Defense News believes that the S-400 air defense systems proposed by Riyadh Moscow would have shown no better results than those who proved their inability to repel such Patriotic threats.




The US air defense and missile defense system MIM-104 Patriot, armed with Saudi Arabia, could not repel the attack launched against the Saudi Aramco oil refineries. Defense News experts believe that the cause was not the system’s flaws, but the illiterate missile defense system.

As for the authorship of the attack, there are still disputes. The Hussites claim that it was their forces that used cruise missiles and kamikaze drones. In turn, the United States, Saudi Arabia, as well as EU countries are convinced that the attack was carried out by Iran.

Defense News calls on Western leaders not to make hasty conclusions about which weapon and technology was used or which of the existing defense systems “failed”. The author of the article believes that such a view may lead to dangerous decisions in the future, adding that the S-400 air defense systems are no better than Patriot systems.

Skeptics are happy to say that in light of the low reliability of the Patriot program and other American products, they should be discarded, and instead the Russian C-400 system should be adopted. This is just nonsense. Patriot is primarily designed to stop high-flying jets and ballistic missiles, while drones and short-range cruise missiles fly too low to be effectively detected by the radar of this system.

- noted in the article.

But news The fact that C-400 is also not intended to hit low-flying targets. But the opposite is the assumption from critics of missile defense, which has spread in the media, which do not understand the complexities of missile defense, only encourage opponents working against the interests of the United States and our allies.

The publication notes that not one type of missile defense system is designed to protect against all possible air threats. Also unknown is the qualifications of personnel involved in the air defense system of Saudi terminals.

In the coming weeks, intelligence agencies in the US and Saudi Arabia plan to publish their findings about the attack. It was then that the authors of the article suggest starting to draw some conclusions about the real effectiveness of the American system, rather than immediately offering the Russian one.

In general, the publication in the American profile media clearly looks like an attempt to justify the failure of American systems, which Riyadh spent billions of dollars on.
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  1. Theodore 2 October 2019 17: 50 New
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    And the S-400 is bad, and the calibers are not flying like that! And Iskander, finally the wrong system!
    1. sir.jonn 2 October 2019 18: 01 New
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      Quote: Theodore
      And the S-400 is bad, and the calibers are not flying like that! And Iskander, finally the wrong system!

      And hypersound is not hypersound and stealth is not stealth. laughing
      1. krot 2 October 2019 18: 13 New
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        In the USA declared that С-400 is not better than "Patriots"

        They compare in beauty! wassat
        1. cniza 2 October 2019 18: 51 New
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          Or at a cost ...
        2. den3080 2 October 2019 20: 41 New
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          Quote: krot
          In the USA declared that С-400 is not better than "Patriots"

          They compare in beauty! wassat

          Not a matter of comparison.
          Patriot is better simply because it is produced in a democratic and liberal country, in a city on a hill, by light elves. A Patriot CANNOT BE WORTER than any S-400 from a country with a torn economy - “it does not require proof, is not in doubt, and sounds logical,” agree !!
          smile
          and if you don’t agree, you’ll be sanctioned, stand on your knees in a corner on peas until you become wiser.
          1. Vlad.by 3 October 2019 00: 08 New
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            You lie FSE !!! laughing
        3. NEXUS 2 October 2019 20: 44 New
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          Quote: krot
          They compare in beauty!

          They do not compare, but are engaged in auto-training ....
          1. parkello 2 October 2019 22: 28 New
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            rather marketing request
          2. poquello 2 October 2019 22: 37 New
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            Quote: NEXUS
            Quote: krot
            They compare in beauty!

            They do not compare, but are engaged in auto-training ....

            "c300 does not take targets at an altitude of 25 meters, cNNXX does not take targets at an altitude of 300 meters, c25 does not take a target at an altitude of 300 meters, c25 does not take a target at an altitude of 300 meters, .."
            1. NEXUS 2 October 2019 22: 58 New
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              Quote: poquello
              "c300 does not take targets at an altitude of 25 meters, cNNXX does not take targets at an altitude of 300 meters, c25 does not take a target at an altitude of 300 meters, c25 does not take a target at an altitude of 300 meters, .."

              Not so ... I do not want to use the toilet ... I do not want to use the toilet ...
              I did not do it, I did not do it.
              1. poquello 2 October 2019 23: 00 New
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                Quote: NEXUS
                Quote: poquello
                "c300 does not take targets at an altitude of 25 meters, cNNXX does not take targets at an altitude of 300 meters, c25 does not take a target at an altitude of 300 meters, c25 does not take a target at an altitude of 300 meters, .."

                Not so ... I do not want to use the toilet ... I do not want to use the toilet ...
                I did not do it, I did not do it.

                well, you can
    2. Mihail2019 2 October 2019 18: 57 New
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      Exactly! "Yes, the grenades he has the wrong system ..!"
      Even "otmazyvatsya" beautifully forgotten how! That's not bad then !!!
    3. sabakina 2 October 2019 19: 44 New
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      Quote: Theodore
      And the S-400 is bad, and the calibers are not flying like that! And Iskander, finally the wrong system!
      Along the way, we Russians, and all of Russia, are in the wrong system. No wonder one already flew out of the window in real life, and not on the filming ...
      1. NEXUS 2 October 2019 20: 42 New
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        Quote: sabakina
        Along the way, we Russians, and all of Russia, are in the wrong system

        I’m afraid to imagine what they think about the inhabitants of Nepal. The population is made by the same Nepali and Nepal. fellow
        1. Vanek 3 October 2019 03: 18 New
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          Quote: NEXUS
          I’m afraid to imagine what they think about the inhabitants of Nepal. The population is made by the same Nepali and Nepal.


          laughing laughing laughing

          Thanks for the morning laughing

          Andrei hi
    4. Roman070280 3 October 2019 13: 11 New
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      Well, about the fact that the S-400 would not shoot at the drone .. this is so all sane people understand, without American explanations ..))
  2. Honest Citizen 2 October 2019 17: 51 New
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    The American edition of Defense News believes that the S-400 air defense systems proposed by Riyadh Moscow would have shown themselves no better than the Patriots who had proved their inability to repel threats of this type.

    Keyword "WOULD". Russia has already repelled attacks in Syria with such "threats" ... So experience is a great thing ...
    1. Nehist 2 October 2019 18: 43 New
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      And what was used with the s-400? TTX s-400 study for a start. They are also blind to low flying targets. And the concept of Comprehensive Air Defense / Missile Defense is not telling you anything.
      1. Hog
        Hog 2 October 2019 19: 52 New
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        Tower 966AA14 to the rescue.
        1. alstr 2 October 2019 21: 04 New
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          Plus scanning mode for low-flying targets.
        2. Astronaut 2 October 2019 22: 55 New
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          I would even clarify "96L6E all-height detector"
        3. Mikhail Tynda 3 October 2019 00: 25 New
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          Wow. Why do we need then, "Shell"? With 400, one will defeat everyone! There is such a thing as integrated (layered) air defense. I reveal a secret: With 400 it’s just one of the elements of such an air defense. With your tasks.
          1. Hog
            Hog 3 October 2019 11: 03 New
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            The talk about the S-400 and the Patriot dear in the article (in general, there was no talk about air defense, too, about Shells).
            The S-400 has the ability to shoot down low-flying targets, but the Patriot does not.
          2. PROXOR 3 October 2019 12: 10 New
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            So what? C400 can work at maximum distance and as close as possible. But the main purpose of this complex is FAR interception of enemy air attack means.
          3. Sanichsan 3 October 2019 16: 40 New
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            Quote: Mikhail Tynda
            I reveal a secret: With 400 it’s just one of the elements of such an air defense. With your tasks.

            well done! take a pie from the shelf laughing
            and! no. do not take. you still need to read about what tasks the S-400 performs in the air defense structure. for example, about what detects low-flying targets. and this, for one look what kind of container with 4 missiles and what for it? what

            take a pie after that! wink
      2. poquello 2 October 2019 23: 03 New
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        Quote: Nehist
        And what was used with the s-400? TTX s-400 study for a start.

        for those who have studied the performance characteristics specifically, using the c400 is expensive
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    2. Tank jacket 2 October 2019 19: 07 New
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      And moreover, the Boeing P-8 Poseidon conducted a group of unmanned aerial vehicles during an attack on the base in Khmeimim (according to an official statement by the Moscow Region). Maybe the Saudis flew Poseidon, well, in passing ???
      1. sabakina 2 October 2019 19: 49 New
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        Quote: Tank jacket
        Maybe the Saudis flew Poseidon, well, in passing ???
        Yes, everything can. Maybe A-10, maybe A-100, or maybe U-2 ... Without a Glass, you just can't figure it out.
        1. Tank jacket 2 October 2019 19: 53 New
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          Greetings, Vyacheslav, how old hi We can only analyze the head on the shoulders laughing
          1. sabakina 2 October 2019 19: 56 New
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            Ruslan, ours to you with a brush! There is a head, a mouth, a glass, what else does a person need for a sober look at the situation? wink
            1. Tank jacket 2 October 2019 20: 05 New
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              Vyacheslav, for a sober look, you need to read and learn and develop memory wink
              1. sabakina 2 October 2019 20: 09 New
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                Ruslan, and who is arguing? As a child, I read a book with a flashlight under the covers. Mother cursed, they say you spoil your eyes. And I like to train my memory. I like to remember. from which movie this or that melody / song. Here's an example: "Once upon a time, there was a war ...". What movie is this song from?
                1. Tank jacket 2 October 2019 20: 13 New
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                  I don’t know, but I find out, I read a lot, the coach forbade boxing. It’s more like this "and that means we need one Victory, one for all ..
                  1. sabakina 2 October 2019 20: 43 New
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                    I hardly, but remembered without prompts.
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                2. Theodore 2 October 2019 20: 14 New
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                  Commander of the happy pike! And where: The fields are dug, orphaned look at the sky ....
                3. Tank jacket 2 October 2019 20: 21 New
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                  I wanted to see this movie ... Commander of a happy Pike, I’ll download and watch ...
    3. Roman070280 3 October 2019 13: 13 New
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      Keyword S-400 ..
      Which not only didn’t shoot down any drone .. But in general, they have never shot down anything yet ..
      Just a fact ..
  3. keeper03 2 October 2019 17: 51 New
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    Well, of course - we all thought so, why shoot a cannon at a sparrow! wassat laughing
    Can you imagine what would happen to our base in Hmeimim if American toys protected it ?! !! belay no soldier
    1. Adimius38 2 October 2019 18: 02 New
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      nothing would have happened if the base were protected by high-tech American air defense systems.
      1. Captain Pushkin 2 October 2019 18: 11 New
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        Quote: Adimius38
        nothing would have happened if the base were protected by high-tech American air defense systems.

        Shoot down a penny drone or MLRS shell with a Patriot rocket worth more than a million dollars?
        Such a holiday can only be paid by the Saudis, the rest will go broke quickly.
        1. Nehist 2 October 2019 18: 44 New
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          Yes, yes ... The missile of the S-400 complex costs ... Do not tell people
          1. neri73-r 2 October 2019 21: 16 New
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            Quote: Nehist
            Yes, yes ... The missile of the S-400 complex costs ... Do not tell people

            Well, it depends on what you protect! Yes, the drone is cheap, and the missile is hundreds of times expensive, but ........ the object of protection is a billion times more expensive (oil refinery), so the price is a relative issue! hi
            1. Captain Pushkin 2 October 2019 22: 06 New
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              Quote: neri73-r
              a drone is cheap, and a missile is expensive hundreds of times, but ........ the object of protection is a billion times more expensive

              A long war is not necessarily won by those who have more resources, but those who use them more economically.
              If, for example, Iran supplies the Hussites with drones for $ 1 billion, and the Saudis use the Patriots to repel them, then they will spend at least $ 1 trillion.
              Guess who will ultimately lose.
              To cover the oil industry, the Saudis need short-range air defense systems, relatively inexpensive. Something like Thor or Shell.
            2. Karabas 2 October 2019 23: 15 New
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              Well, it depends on what you protect! Yes, the drone is cheap, and the missile is hundreds of times expensive, but ........ the object of protection is a billion times more expensive (oil refinery), so the price is a relative issue! hi

              And the Saudis have another option. They need to build many, many small plants so that they are cheaper than a cheap drone, not only do they not need to be protected at all, but slippers on drones will go bankrupt. laughing
          2. Captain Pushkin 2 October 2019 21: 58 New
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            Quote: Nehist
            Yes, yes ... The missile of the S-400 complex costs ... Do not tell people

            And what, is Syria already used in Syria to repel drones and unguided rockets?
            1. Roman070280 3 October 2019 13: 17 New
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              Then some just to crow ..))
            2. Sanichsan 3 October 2019 16: 45 New
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              Quote: Captain Pushkin
              And what, is Syria already used in Syria to repel drones and unguided rockets?

              and how do you find these drones? does the wang warn of an attack? laughing
      2. Evil echo 2 October 2019 18: 16 New
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        Of course, on their own, who will allow the shoot.
      3. Thunderbolt 2 October 2019 18: 17 New
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        Quote: Adimius38
        nothing would have happened if the base were protected by high-tech American air defense systems.

        Are not those that cover Saudi oil depots? Or are there artisanal homemade fights?
      4. Monar 2 October 2019 18: 39 New
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        Correctly. Nothing. Would not remain from the base.
      5. gurzuf 2 October 2019 18: 43 New
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        Does it mean that the plant was not defended by "high-tech American air defense systems"? stop
        1. Adimius38 2 October 2019 20: 08 New
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          Well, we already saw the hi-tech Russian Shell as the Israelis shandarahn it so 100% no one will give a guarantee against air defense. Yes, and no Khmeimim S-400 and especially S-300 will NOT save in the event of a massive missile attack if there is an advantage in the means of destruction. Shoot down three penny cheap plywood aircraft with an engine from the circle, crazy hands are not the same thing as repelling a strike, for example, 100 cruise missiles and an attack of shock drones in the appendage to barrage munitions.
          1. ciujoilu 2 October 2019 20: 46 New
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            Has so many rockets attacked this oil plant? belay
          2. gurzuf 3 October 2019 19: 04 New
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            Yes, they shandarahnuli. Seen it. But we still saw that he was shandarakhnuli when his bk ended and the crew left him. And here's how the factory was shandarakhnali. Just a song! And the "high-tech American air defense systems" with full ammunition and crews were only observers. By the way, how many old wings were there. Rocket and plywood planes with engines from the circle crazy hands?
            1. Adimius38 3 October 2019 21: 00 New
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              oh well, straight bk ended)) you watch the wrong video, watch the other, when the carapace was fighting off a charge from above calmly flew into it, which is not surprising since the problems of this best of the best above the roof, which was written long before these events, are not surprising if you sort through its guidance system and channel. Now of course they’re trying to modify something, let's see what happens
              1. poquello 3 October 2019 21: 17 New
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                Quote: Adimius38
                oh well, straight bk ended)) you watch the wrong video, watch the other, when the carapace was fighting off a charge from above calmly flew into it, which is not surprising since the problems of this best of the best above the roof, which was written long before these events, are not surprising if you sort through its guidance system and channel. Now of course they’re trying to modify something, let's see what happens

                once again, do not invent nonsense, Syria has a lot of shells and if it were so simple they would have already burned not one or two, and just “from above” flies into the already empty
      6. wow
        wow 2 October 2019 18: 43 New
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        Yeah, there wouldn’t be anything .... good!
      7. Tank jacket 2 October 2019 19: 19 New
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        There would be nothing at the base, everyone would have destroyed the UAV ... I agree ...
      8. Nyrobsky 2 October 2019 20: 46 New
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        Quote: Adimius38
        nothing would have happened if the base were protected by high-tech American air defense systems.
        But the Saudis already strongly doubt it. They either soldered the frightened camels with a valerian when the departed Patriot returned home and destroyed their sheds, they extinguished the refineries with the whole world, or they buried the Patriot plant itself, which the Hussites had jammed with an impact drone in early August. In short, the Saudis have an “experience” in relations with the Patriot, which is already big, but fig.
      9. dvina71 2 October 2019 20: 52 New
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        Quote: Adimius38
        nothing would on the base it wouldn’t be if the base was protected by high-tech American air defense systems.

        I corrected .. do not thank.
    2. VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK 5 October 2019 13: 06 New
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      Well done great said!
  4. Jack O'Neill 2 October 2019 17: 54 New
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    The attacks of 14 September 2019 against oil facilities in Saudi Arabia continue to haunt the public. The American edition of Defense News believes that the S-400 air defense systems proposed by Riyadh Moscow would have shown no better results than the Patriots who proved their inability to repel such threats


    It’s hard to say whether C-400 would have shown itself better or worse. C-400 still hadn’t sniffed gunpowder. One thing on paper, but how it will actually be is unknown.
    There is a saying in the subject: "It was smooth on paper, but forgot about the ravines."
    On paper, C-400 is good, but whether he can realize himself, the question is interesting ...

    The US air defense and missile defense system MIM-104 Patriot, armed with Saudi Arabia, could not repel the attack launched against the Saudi Aramco oil refineries. Defense News magazine experts believe that the cause was not system flaws, but an illiterate missile defense system.

    Exactly! Saudis are ignoramuses that Hussites prove time after time.
    Until Uncle Sam arrives, the Hussites will kick the king.
    1. Cryvedco 2 October 2019 18: 03 New
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      Quote: Jack O'Neill
      On paper, C-400 is good, but whether he can realize himself, the question is interesting ...

      If C-300 was able, would they not?
      1. Jack O'Neill 2 October 2019 18: 38 New
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        If C-300 was able, would they not?

        Give a link where C-300 repels the mass attack.
        1. Tank jacket 2 October 2019 19: 09 New
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          And to give a link where Patriot didn’t repulse a massive attack on a super-guarded oil refinery without the support of a Boeing P-8 Poseidon ???
          1. Jack O'Neill 2 October 2019 19: 30 New
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            And to give a link where Patriot didn’t repulse a massive attack on a super-guarded oil refinery without the support of a Boeing P-8 Poseidon ???

            Are you hurt?
            So C-300 "smog"? Come on, answer for your little brother Cryvedco, since they got into a conversation.
            Although I guess the date, you will merge, right?
            1. Tank jacket 2 October 2019 19: 35 New
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              According to Deputy Minister of Defense Alexander Fomin, at the time when 13 drones were going to Khmeimim as a single battle formation and managed by a common team, Poseidon-8 had already been in the Mediterranean for eight hours.
              1. Jack O'Neill 2 October 2019 19: 42 New
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                According to Deputy Minister of Defense Alexander Fomin, at the time when the 13 drones were marching to Khmeimim in a single battle formation and managed by a common team, Poseidon-8 has been in the Mediterranean for eight hours.

                We are very happy for the P-8. But then what?
                1. Tank jacket 2 October 2019 19: 46 New
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                  And here, like Zelensky, either Trump or Clinton ... Either dead or old woman with a scythe
            2. Tank jacket 2 October 2019 19: 44 New
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              And only Patriot must shoot down unmanned aerial vehicles or sell Shilka to the Saudis ... In addition
              1. Jack O'Neill 2 October 2019 19: 51 New
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                And only Patriot must shoot down unmanned aerial vehicles or sell Shilka to the Saudis ... In addition

                You can and Shilka, and Shell, and Thor.
                To beat small-sized goals on the bottoms is not the main job of Patriot, however, like C-300 / 400.
                For this, they came up with the Shell or the same Krotal for example.
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                  Quote: Jack O'Neill
                  To beat small-sized goals on the bottoms is not the main job of Patriot, however, like C-300 / 400.

                  I’m embarrassed to ask, do you think that the C-400 is a tractor with 4 containers with missiles?
                  if so then the roots of your ignorance are understandable request
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                    I’m embarrassed to ask, do you think that the C-400 is a tractor with 4 containers with missiles?
                    if so then the roots of your ignorance are understandable request

                    repeat
            3. sabakina 2 October 2019 19: 53 New
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              Jack, by golly, you're still better off hanging around the stargate. what is there to grind nonsense.
              1. Jack O'Neill 2 October 2019 20: 21 New
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                Jack, by golly, you're still better off hanging around the stargate. what is there to grind nonsense.

                Not you are the first, not you are the last who writes about "nonsense", but nevertheless can not say anything in fact.
                I understand that people don’t like it when they doubt our weapon because it is the best, everything is there). That's just I'm used to looking at things soberly, without a "color-name" glasses.
                1. poquello 2 October 2019 23: 21 New
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                  Quote: Jack O'Neill
                  I understand that people don’t like it when they doubt our weapon because it is the best, everything is there). That's just I'm used to looking at things soberly, without a "color-name" glasses.

                  so this .., soberly explain why there weren't those
                  Quote: Jack O'Neill
                  the same Krotal for example.
                  ,
                  where the complex was supposed to be, for some reason a colander with a patriot, and where the delivery of the complex is meant for some reason one s400
      2. Nehist 2 October 2019 18: 45 New
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        Where is the s-300 smog? Enlighten will be kind
        1. Tank jacket 2 October 2019 19: 40 New
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          And the Patriota radar was silent ??? Bad radar ...
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          Quote: Nehist
          Where is the s-300 smog? Enlighten will be kind

          300? sort of talking about 400.
          and 400 for the fifth year, Khmeimim has successfully defended against regular attacks, including massive ones.
    2. Adimius38 2 October 2019 20: 13 New
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      Quite right, so far, that the S-400 knocks down only under greenhouse conditions, that is, in exercises. In reality, I didn’t smell gunpowder, we already went through fairy tales about the best of the best with the same shell and Mi-28, both of which had to be seriously brought to mind after the real military operations in Syria because as it turned out there were a lot of flaws.
    3. VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK 5 October 2019 13: 17 New
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      Ava are aware that we have comprehensive anti-aircraft defense. Also, S-400 radars transmit target designation to Armor and other means. You all think that the missile system is missiles. The most important thing is radars.
  5. Kontrik 2 October 2019 17: 54 New
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    Any air defense should be layered .. During the defense of Moscow, we proved it to Germany (they did not bomb Moscow, etc., although they were close) ..
    And further developments in this direction were carried out in the USSR!
    So, let's see "gentlemen" who is more effective hi
  6. Alexander X 2 October 2019 17: 54 New
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    It would be surprising if the Americans agreed that the C400 is superior to their patriots ... They will never fail on their goods
    1. Prisoner 2 October 2019 18: 03 New
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      But the fact that they don’t fail today is that the S-400 is worse than the Patriots, and they are mumbling mournfully, saying that the S-400 is no better, it’s worth a lot. winked The scallops of the Pina's cockerels have fallen after this attack. laughing
  7. Graz 2 October 2019 17: 54 New
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    Also unknown is the qualifications of personnel involved in the air defense system of Saudi terminals.

    _____________________
    Kedmi has already said that Americans are sitting behind the Patriots in Saudi Arabia
    1. keeper03 2 October 2019 17: 56 New
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      This is another confirmation that the patriots are not that system! laughing
    2. Zeev Zeev 2 October 2019 18: 41 New
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      How does Kedmi know? Because in 1991 in Israel there were American calculations of the Patriots?
      1. VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK 5 October 2019 13: 19 New
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        Kedmi is a former scout, but there are no former ones.
        1. Zeev Zeev 5 October 2019 14: 06 New
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          Kedmi is not a scout, but an intelligence officer. He was ex because he was fired with a scandal 20 years ago.
  8. Bykov. 2 October 2019 17: 55 New
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    The Saudis are probably very happy about the favorable purchase of Amyrykan air defense systems. No sanctions are needed for that! The presence of such an air defense is in itself a punishment.
  9. Adimius38 2 October 2019 18: 04 New
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    Well, what Americans are wrong about))) they said everything correctly. For low-flying small-sized targets, completely different air defense systems, FOR EXAMPLE, the TOR complex has excellent results, has 8-12 missile cells vertically located, can attack targets at full speed. The multi-channel guidance system, according to past results, significantly surpassed the Shell complex.
  10. Kerensky 2 October 2019 18: 06 New
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    Well, you have to try again, if they don’t work, then again ...
    Well, Americans can not put a bad system!
    1. Prisoner 2 October 2019 18: 55 New
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      I mean to attack more often? Is logical. You look at the eleventh attack and bring down and rehabilitate. laughing
      1. Tank jacket 2 October 2019 19: 25 New
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        A civilian flight at Riyadh Airport may bring down Patriot or at Riyadh Airport gasp wink Oh so it already was ??? Damn I repeat ...
  11. Dmitry Potapov 2 October 2019 18: 07 New
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    I understood correctly, no better, that is, no worse? As for the phrase "S-400 was never used in combat conditions," and "Patriot" was used? However, no country that even has an S-300 has ever been attacked by air! And why? Yes, because the states are almost certain that Iran will repulse the attack, and will strike an answer! Just in case, about 6-8 years ago when the S-400 was just entering service, US military analysts made a calculation, when deployed. S-300 in Russia, in the event of an air attack, they will lose 80% of their air fleet at least
    1. Zeev Zeev 2 October 2019 18: 42 New
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      Syria was attacked by air. Repeatedly, and after delivery of S-300.
    2. Nehist 2 October 2019 18: 48 New
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      Do not write nonsense !!! Syria has s-300 and is not once subjected to air attacks
    3. Adimius38 2 October 2019 20: 25 New
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      so then it is, but if the Americans are so dumb that they send all of their F-15, F-16, F-18 to break through the Russian border as the first echelon)). Then, of course, for large air targets, the S-300 can and will work well. But one must understand that this will not happen, that air defense systems will be suppressed in the first place by completely different means. Both EW and High Speed ​​Anti-Radar Missile from the US Navy E / A-18G Growler will be used. To this can be added a massive strike by cruise missiles, drones, and barrage-guarding ammunition.
      1. poquello 2 October 2019 23: 27 New
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        Quote: Adimius38
        so then it is, but if the Americans are so dumb that they send all of their F-15, F-16, F-18 to break through the Russian border as the first echelon)). Then, of course, for large air targets, the S-300 can and will work well. But one must understand that this will not happen, that air defense systems will be suppressed in the first place by completely different means. Both EW and High Speed ​​Anti-Radar Missile from the US Navy E / A-18G Growler will be used. To this can be added a massive strike by cruise missiles, drones, and barrage-guarding ammunition.

        it is you nonsense do not write, all this shnyaga will be brought down by shells
        1. Adimius38 3 October 2019 21: 07 New
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          Is it not the shell that was slammed in Syria by the small people of Israel, although there was plundered more than one shell. It can only consider the shell as 100% protection against an attack from the air. At the same time, the radar target tracking system (single-channel) used in the Pantsir-C1 air defense missile system, as calculations and modeling have shown (and state tests whose results are “reliably” hidden), It does not provide the required accuracy of pointing missiles at maximum range, even on targets with an effective reflective surface of 2 square meters. m and more. In addition, the radar and optoelectronic channels of the Pantsir-C1 air defense missile system are not parallel, but mutually complementary, and by no means increase the channel of the complex for the target. As for the cannon canal, due to its insufficient effectiveness in firing at modern air targets, which is primarily associated with a low rate of fire, it can only be considered as an auxiliary means of self-defense and fighting mainly against a ground enemy.
          1. poquello 3 October 2019 21: 10 New
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            Isn’t that the shell of Israel that was killed in Syria by the small people of Israel

            thereby the Jews spent so much effort
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  12. Tank jacket 2 October 2019 18: 08 New
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    Iraq’s air defense was generally shut off remotely, because France is a NATO country, and the Soviet air defense system shot down an invisibility in Yugoslavia ... According to foreign press reports, a computer “virus” developed by French experts was introduced into the French-made Iraqi radar network and disabled them.
  13. Thunderbolt 2 October 2019 18: 12 New
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    Defense News experts believe that the cause was not the system’s flaws, but the illiterate missile defense system.
    Yeah, the Bedouins sat --- the camels were fried, and at the same time they pondered, as it were, to put a better missile defense system at them. Yes, that's just illiterate, they placed it. laughing Either way, experts speculate.
    Or all the same, American specialists built missile defense under the command of multi-star generals.
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  14. Evil echo 2 October 2019 18: 19 New
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    But the news is that the S-400 is also not designed to hit low-flying targets.

    But the "Triumph" alone does not go. He has younger brothers - "Thor", "Beech", "Carapace" ....
    1. Nehist 2 October 2019 18: 49 New
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      Gg so this is a comprehensive, layered air defense! What the Saudis did not have
  15. Zeev Zeev 2 October 2019 18: 35 New
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    "Tomahawks", Syria, S-300, "curvature of the Earth." The Americans even refer to the crooked hands of the builders of the Saudi missile defense, and not to the structure of the planet.
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    Curvy-armed Arabs what kind of weapon do not let them screw up anyway.
    This is evidenced by the history of the Arab-Israeli wars and the war of the Arab coalition with the Hussites.
  17. APASUS 2 October 2019 18: 46 New
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    What does this picture of the MEADS air defense system have to do with the written material? After all, the material is devoted entirely to the S-400 air defense system and the Patriot air defense system
    1. Andrei Nikolaevich 2 October 2019 20: 27 New
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      ,, What does this picture have to do with the writing .... ,,
      I also noticed a long time ago. An article on one topic, a photo on another.
      VO is degrading. But ,, warnings ,, write, properly. :-)
  18. Reserve officer 2 October 2019 18: 52 New
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    "... In the US they said that C-400 is no better than the Patriots ..."
    Well, good, no worse. And thanks for that, gentlemen, experts from Defense News ...
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    1. poquello 2 October 2019 23: 34 New
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      Quote: Pacifist with AK
      And Captain America is better than Sarmat! Here !!!

      in Hollywood they lie, he is Cuban
  20. Vasyan1971 2 October 2019 19: 09 New
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    Defense News believes that the S-400 air defense systems proposed by Riyadh Moscow would have shown themselves no better than the Patriots who had proved their inability to repel threats of this type.

    That’s why smart people came up with the idea of ​​using their own tool for every job.
    The fork turns out: either to trick money into a layered air defense, prepare specialists (and a friend will never come in handy), or rely on formidable, but, as practice has shown, not effective Amer’s products.
  21. GibSoN 2 October 2019 19: 15 New
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    Well, purely from a technical point of view, well, at the level of the school course, for example, it’s also not very clear to me how a rocket the size of a car can intercept a drone the size of a bicycle ..
    In fact, the information available in the media, in general, it is not clear what was there .. And according to the available pieces of video such as an attack, we can generally conclude that there Chinese attacked drones from Ali, with a couple of grenades tied to electrical tape.
  22. Berkut24 2 October 2019 19: 56 New
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    This is the logic "if we could not, then no one can."
    It's a pity it all looks.
  23. Pavlov Sergey Alexandrovich 2 October 2019 20: 02 New
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    Zadolbali these articles from empty to empty pour ... attached to the s-400 which critin will shoot from the forest camara ?! The s-400 has one missile more expensive than all these drones that the refineries attacked, no one will ever shoot such complexes in this minx. How much can you already ??!
    1. Vadmir 2 October 2019 21: 29 New
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      The s-400 has one missile more expensive than all these drones that the refineries attacked, no one will ever shoot such complexes in this minx.
      And where does the cost of the rocket or the entire complex matter, the value of the object that this complex covers is important, and it is the value, not the cost, since it is not always correct to translate everything into dollars or rubles.
      Another thing is that to fight drones there must be your own weapon, but if it is not there you need to shoot with what you have.
      1. Pavlov Sergey Alexandrovich 3 October 2019 02: 56 New
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        I meant that it would not be effective to shoot such low-flying drones with such missiles, and it’s also dangerous for the protected object.
  24. Mavrikiy 2 October 2019 20: 02 New
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    In the USA declared that С-400 is not better than "Patriots"
    What is so modest. Need: S-400 worse than the Patriots repeat
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    America-like her ,, Pariot ,, Promises- a lot. The result is zero.
  26. Disorder 2 October 2019 20: 24 New
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    Judging by the debris presented, the attacking apparatuses were comparable in size with the CR, as if they were not the KR themselves. So the S-400 could work. But the Saudis will never buy S-400, here the mattresses will die.
  27. Piramidon 2 October 2019 20: 40 New
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    In the USA declared that С-400 is not better than "Patriots"

    They began to compare horseradish with a finger. In the field of advertising, the Yankees are still replaying us. The backlog of the times of the USSR, when the coolest advertisement was considered -
  28. rocket757 2 October 2019 22: 03 New
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    The law of war _ what we have \ we can, the more we bring down.
    The economy of war (the law of the bookkeeper) _ the cheaper, the more we knock down ... the expensive ones do not shoot down.
    The law of the cover-up _ Yes, bring down whatever you want, just to protect.
  29. HMR333 2 October 2019 23: 30 New
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    where does the built air defense ??? a petriot simply did not physically see these targets, and even if this type of rocket were not designed for such purposes, it was not incorporated into them! The c400 could well have fought, although for these purposes shells are needed more appropriately!
  30. Well, it doesn’t reach the morons that they are behind us in the development of air defense missile defense systems for several years,
  31. sgr291158 3 October 2019 05: 43 New
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    And what else can they say if they are offended with their patriots to the fullest
  32. wsevyshniy 3 October 2019 10: 31 New
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    and who said that she could not reflect? American pro doesn’t shoot
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    You can say a lot of things.
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    Everything is in the style of pin-up-residents, the main argument they have recently is "like that", for them, apparently, it sounds convincing.
    Well, God be their judge, they have the Uber Alles, all around idiots is the principle of existence.
  35. VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK 4 October 2019 13: 39 New
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    The Americans themselves arranged this in order to sell their air defense systems later. They didn’t help themselves. They cleaned up business and suckers around the world. Nothing personal, just business. Aircraft carriers are also business. How much money is spinning. In the modern world, aircraft carriers have outlived themselves. Enough a few URA cruisers and frigates. Submarines are even more effective. A lot of ways to drown this trough. Are the complexes working or not? You need to sell them. They will buy from Russia and threaten with sanctions.
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    The Hussites claim that it was their forces that used cruise missiles and kamikaze drones. In turn, the United States, Saudi Arabia, as well as EU countries are convinced that the attack was carried out by Iran.