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Chinese Marines: Chances of Confronting American "Colleagues"

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China equips its marines with arguably the most advanced amphibious platforms in the world. Consider the systems that the Marines operate, and how the Marine Corps of the country looks against the backdrop of Western competitors.


Chinese Marines: Chances of Confronting American "Colleagues"

The selection and training of draftees in the Chinese Marine Corps is very tough, the acquisition is based on the standards of special operations forces. According to some sources, draftees must have a secondary education, swim 5 km in full combat gear in 2,5 hours and run 5 km in 23 minutes


The US Armed Forces have identified China as their long-term threat, "appointed" a country with which the American army will face serious competition in the coming decades. The challenge is serious for a well-armed US Army, but for the Marine Corps (ILC) of the country, China’s reliance on a family of heavily armed floating vehicles presents a significant challenge.

For the People's Liberation Army of China (PLA), its Marine Corps is a source of pride. The ILCP is equipped and ready to defend Chinese sovereignty over the disputed islands in the South China Sea, Taiwan and the Japanese Senkaku Islands. As a result, the PLA KMP has a higher level of financing and equipment than other PLA divisions.

The 1st and 2nd Marine Corps, along with the amphibious assault force base, are based in Zhanjiang City. The 1st brigade was formed in 1980, while the 2nd brigade was transferred from the army in 1998 (originally the 164th division) and until recently was equipped with used equipment from the 1st brigade. Both parts are currently equipped approximately the same and almost the entire body is included fleetbased on the South China Sea.

The Chinese Marines have about 12000 professional marines, and the PLA can be increased by adding mechanized airborne divisions from the PLA, which can bring the Corps to about 20000 people. It is planned to increase the number of PLA KLA to 100000 people by adding other units from the PLA. It is assumed that the Chinese fleet is able to set up the size of a division for landing operations, and this is most likely all the 12000 infantrymen mentioned above. However, it’s more correct to focus on deployments of the size of the team - this is about 6000 people - in order to maintain the effect of surprise and maximize the chances of creating a ban on access / blocking of the zone in the South China Sea.

ILC PLA is somewhat different from most marine corps units in the world. For example, the UK Marine Corps is essentially a lightly armed structure that relies heavily on its combat skills. On the contrary, the U.S. KMP has a lot more armored vehicles, but its most powerful ground platform, the M1A1 main battle tank, is heavily dependent on the large and vulnerable Landing Craft Air Cushion (LCAC).

As for the KLA PLA, the US Marine Corps can reasonably be considered its main competitor in the land segment. Unlike the U.S. KMP, the Chinese marines are equipped with a whole family of Ture 05 tracked landing vehicles, which includes the ZBD-05 model armed with an 30-mm gun, the ZTD-05 model armed with an 105-mm gun, and the PLZ-07B model armed with an 122- mm howitzer.

The Toure 05 family of vehicles is designed to be deployed at sea from ships and land with a battle on shore. When designing these machines, the emphasis was initially placed on their amphibious capabilities. The BMP variant is capable of overcoming waves up to 2,5 meters high and has a buoyancy margin equivalent to 27% of its total mass 26,5 tons. Although some sources claim that the machine can reach speeds of 40 km / h (21,6 knots) on water, it is believed that it is most likely closer to 25 km / h, but even this is almost two times the speed of a standard AAV7A1 landing vehicle RAM / RS American infantry.






A variant of the BMP of the Type 05 family of vehicles was designated ZBD-05


The 05 Tour amphibious vehicle has unique design features. Before entering the water, the wave-reflective shield in the bow (when folded it gives the nose a distinctive sharp profile) is hydraulically extended, the driver’s periscope rises so that he can see over the shield. Water pumps turn on, when entering the water in the stern of the machine a second flat shield is lowered. Upon reaching the appropriate depth, the suspension system raises the track rollers to reduce hydrodynamic drag. To provide the engine with air, a snorkel mounted on the platform from the rear right also rises. The front and rear shields create a planing effect, which raises the body of the machine above the water during movement and reduces water resistance.

The machine is driven by two feed water cannons and is controlled by a combination of closing the shutter of one of the water cannons and opening one of the sections of the side screen in front of the machine.


The ZBD-05 armored vehicle approaches the shore, the second with the raised wave-reflecting shield is preparing to enter the water


The good amphibious characteristics of the Toure 05 family of vehicles mean that they can be used by the PLA KMP to reach a given area due to the horizon, for example, on a disputed island. Arriving there, the KMP of the PLA will be able to arrange access denial / blocking of the zone. Essentially, an area with a dense concentration of anti-aircraft and anti-ship forces and assets, as well as the capabilities provided by the KLA PLA and its armored vehicles, will make the prospect of an invasion extremely expensive and unpleasant for many armies.

These opportunities will also certainly be used in what is described in the Chinese Navy as a "short and sharp war." Speaking about the "return" of the disputed Senkaku Islands (the Chinese name is Diaoyu), they say that "quick action and good planning are the keys to victory in the war." This indicates the importance of the Toure 05 family of machines, their over-horizon capabilities are the best suited for such a short and unconventional conflict.

The closest analogue of the Chinese Ture 05 platform to the Americans is the LAV-25 machine, which has been in the arsenal of the United States Commission for almost 40 years. The LAV-25 wheeled machine in the 8x8 configuration can take part in land and sea operations, although it is not able to overcome the surf zone. As a result, when landing, the whole calculation is done either on the absence of unrest at sea, or on transportation from the ship to the coast, which reduces the psychological impact that the sudden appearance of the landing can have. The machine was created more for quick reaction forces, which can be immediately sent to any region of the world to protect the interests of the United States, and not for landing in conditions of opposition from the enemy.

Machines of the LAV-25 family, despite the obvious loss to the Toure 05 family regarding amphibious characteristics, can boast considerable firepower. These are the LAV-25 variant with the 25-mm gun and the LAV-M mortar installation with the 81-mm mortar and the LAV-AT anti-tank installation armed with the TOW ATGM.

According to the Jane's Armored Fighting Vehicles manual, it is assumed that the M242 can penetrate the equivalent of rolled rolled armor with a thickness of 25 mm at an angle of 60 ° from a distance of 1300 meters. The mortar variant has a range of 5700 meters and can support the rate of fire of 30 rounds per minute for two minutes. In addition, several types of missiles are available for the LAV-AT variant.

The most effective anti-tank variant of the missile is the TOW-2B, for attacking from above equipped with two striking elements of the "strike core" type. The TOW-2A variant is equipped with a tandem cumulative warhead that can penetrate the 1000 mm rolled armor behind the dynamic defense units. On entrenched infantry or fortified positions, you can use a TOW-BB variant with a high-explosive fragmentation warhead capable of penetrating 203 mm double reinforced concrete.

Despite the good firepower available for the US Marine LAV series, there are three main options for the 05 Tour family, which are also not far behind in this regard. The BMP variant, designated ZBD-05, armed with a stabilized 30-mm gun with selective power, is capable of firing from a place and in motion. According to reports, he can conduct accurate fire from the water. The maximum rate of fire is 330 rounds / min and the gun is effective against medium-weight armored targets at ranges up to 1500 meters. The exact characteristics of the ammunition are unknown, although the Russian armor-piercing sub-caliber analogue is capable of piercing 25 mm of armor at an angle of 60 ° from a distance of 1500 meters.


An armored vehicle LAV-25 leaves the landing ship LCAC. Although this platform is well suited for operations on land, it is not able to overcome the surf zone and. as a result, it can’t conduct a battle for a landing in the same way as Chinese machines from the Type 05 family can do


For comparison: the LAV-25 machine is protected only from 14,5-mm bullets due to a combination of steel and ceramic armor. This combination is one of the most common and effective methods of protection against ballistic threats of caliber up to 14,5 mm, but it is unlikely that it will provide reliable protection against 30-mm shells. The ZBD-05 is also armed with a Red Arrow 73B ATGM launcher equipped with a tandem cumulative warhead. The missile has a maximum range of 2800 meters and is capable of piercing 200 mm rolled armor at an angle of 68 °, closed by dynamic protection units.




Direct fire support for the ZBD-05 is provided by the ZTD-05 option (photo above), which has the same housing as the ZBD-05, but which is armed with a reduced-impact 105-mm rifled gun. As stated, the weapon system of the ZTD-05 machine is capable of capturing targets on the water and remain effective for motionless targets at wave heights of up to 2,5 meters. For moving targets, the machine is effective at sea waves up to 1,25 meters. The installation is capable of firing large-caliber ammunition of various types, including armor-piercing and high-explosive fragmentation. This allows you to fight with both armored vehicles and fortifications. The U.S. KMP is not armed with an analogue of such a machine.

The third variant of the PLZ-07B is a combination of the Toure 05 chassis and the PLZ-07 howitzer. The PLZ-07B self-propelled artillery mount is armed with an 122-mm gun, which is found on many platforms armed with the PLA. The gun is equipped with an ejection device and a multi-chamber muzzle brake. The turret rotates at 360 ° and has vertical guidance angles from -3 ° to 70 °, which allows the crew to fire directly and indirectly. The manual loading gun has a rate of fire from 6 to 8 rds / min. When firing high-explosive shells, the firing range of the PLZ-O7B gun is 18 km.




At KMP PLA, the PLZ-07B platform is a standard self-propelled indirect fire support vehicle. The U.S. Navy includes powerful and well-equipped artillery units, although reliance on the HIMARS MLRS and towed M777 guns means that, compared to the NLA KMP, the American infantry are theoretically disadvantaged in terms of mobility.


A shot from the 105-mm gun of the ZTD-05 armored vehicle. This platform will allow the Chinese Marines to receive their own fire support before landing from the water.


Not a single armor


Armored vehicles is only one of the elements of the picture. The full picture of the battlefield cannot do without air means, and this is what the U.S. ILC clearly dominates.

The ILC of the United States is scheduled to receive 340 F-35C Lightning II fighters; West Coast Marine Squadrons will be the first to receive a Fifth Generation aircraft to replace their multi-purpose attack aircraft AV-8B Harrier. The F-35 fighter significantly enhances the capabilities of the U.S. Navy in air combat, while the high-precision GBU-49 Enhanced Paveway II bombs allow bombing moving ground targets with high accuracy and efficiency. In air collisions, the new AIM-120D AMRAAM air-to-air missiles will be able to capture targets at maximum range of up to 180 km.

The U.S. KMP also operates AH-1Z attack helicopters, which can be armed with 16 Hellfire homing missiles with a maximum range of 12 km. Firepower is also complemented by the Harvest HAWK (Hercules Airborne Weapons Kit) weapon kit for the KC-130J transport aircraft. The Harvest HAWK kit is a modular horizontal loading weapon system that gives the KC-130JS Corps base aircraft the ability to attack ground targets. It includes the AN / AAQ-30 Target Sight Sensor, mounted under the left-wing fuel tank, and the AGM-114P Hellfire II laser-guided missile launcher for four air-to-surface missiles, mounted on the left refueling pylon. MBDA GBU-44 / E Viper Strike bombs and Griffin air-to-ground missiles can also be fired from an 10-mounted ramp launcher called the Derringer Door.

A good support tool for U.S. ILC operations is a large fleet of helicopters based on the V-22 Osprey tiltrotor and the CH-53 Sea Stallion multi-purpose transport helicopter. The number of vehicles of only these two types is 483 units, they support the ground operations of the U.S. ILC. The Marines can also operate in conjunction with huge air strike groups and thousands of US Navy aircraft.

Looking at the superiority of the American fleet in forces and means, as well as in technology, the Chinese fleet does not intend to retreat. According to the current Chinese doctrine of the Chinese fleet for the protection of the sea islands, military operations are envisaged in the area surrounded by the so-called first chain of islands (Aleutian, Kuril, Ryukyu, Taiwan, the Philippine archipelago and the Great Sunda Islands). This means that he must learn to act at much greater distances and beat the enemy in the open ocean. The Chinese fleet has only one Liaoning aircraft carrier converted from the unfinished Ukrainian aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov.

There is reason to believe that China may seek to achieve temporary superiority at sea even over the United States. It is claimed that the Type 052D missile destroyer of the Luyang III project with guided missiles, for example, is comparable in capabilities with the Aegis system of the American destroyer Arleigh Burke. According to some sources, it can simultaneously track many airborne and surface threats. Analysts estimate that these ships can be used to create an air defense system over support vessels and landing ships, that is, they will in fact be used as part of the Chinese strategy for banning access / blocking of the zone. Combined with the use of ships to fight other ships, such as the Houbei Project 022 Tours, which are armed with long-range anti-ship missiles, this will allow the Chinese fleet to control the area of ​​operations and counteract the United States without the need to create or manage large aircraft carrier strike groups.

In essence, the Chinese fleet’s strategy of warfare in an asymmetric naval conflict could give PLA ILC an advantage in establishing ground control over the island. After that, his ground forces and assets will be difficult and expensive to displace.


A soldier fastens on a cargo ramp of a KC-130J aircraft a rack that can hold up to 10 Griffin missiles


Air support


The main aircraft of the Chinese fleet is the J-15 multipurpose fighter, which also has an option for the J-16 army based on the SU-30MK2. According to Jane's World Navies, the fleet of the Chinese fleet is estimated at approximately 600 aircraft, most of which are based on land and are not regular means of the PLA KMP.

The main air-to-air missile in the armament complex of Chinese fighters is the PL-12, adopted for service in the 2005 year. According to some reports, the launch range is 60-70 km, and the maximum speed is approximately 4 Mach numbers. Also included in the weapons complex is the KD-88 air-to-surface missile with a turbojet engine and several guidance options. It is equipped with a high-explosive fragmentation warhead and has a range of 100 km.

A small amount of aviation forces and assets (compared to the combined forces and assets of the ILC and the US Navy) makes the ILC of the PLA dependent on the fleet and most of this air support relies on the runways to maintain combat effectiveness. The latter component is offset to some extent by a 3300-meter runway built on one of the islands. Runways were also built on the islands of Subi and Mischief, allowing China to gain three air ports in the region. The Defense Ministry noted that "China's infrastructure under construction will strengthen the projection of power in the South China Sea." According to American intelligence, the Chinese have built fortified hangars on all three airfields, each providing shelter for 24 fighters plus 3-4 larger aircraft.

The construction of advanced airbases can be a short-term solution to the problem of China’s lack of naval forces and facilities compared to the US Navy and provide sufficient air cover for the PLA’s ILC to establish control over the region. However, one of the shortcomings of the Chinese system is the lack of interaction between the fleet and other branches of the armed forces of China. The Chinese government is trying to overcome this peculiarity, but in the near future the problems with conducting combined arms operations, most likely, will not be resolved.


The Type 052D is served as a Chinese response to Arleigh Burke's U.S. missile destroyer. In combination with other available means deployed by the Chinese fleet, it could deprive the US fleet of habitual superiority


The United States has chosen China as a long-term main threat, which contains many challenges. As for the United States Naval Forces, it has a clear advantage in the air, especially if we take into account the forces and means of the US Navy. The main emphasis of the U.S. ILC on the aviation component ensures the preservation of its superiority in the quantity and quality of air assets in the long term. However, in the terrestrial sphere, the marine corps may be behind the PLA ILC and therefore must work to ultimately eliminate the inequality of capabilities of combat forces and assets.

The ACV 1.1 amphibious armored vehicle program could potentially enhance the combat capabilities of the U.S. ILC, although the most important changes for it lie in the doctrinal plane. His reliance on LAV-25 armored vehicles to act as a reconnaissance unit rather than a traditional armored formation means that there is no infantry support needed to effectively counter mechanized units. Similarly, units equipped with AAV7 amphibious assault vehicles and main combat tanks M1A1 are rather slow and cumbersome for timely deployment, the purpose of which is to prevent the opponent from taking decisive and unexpected actions.

This can be a problem in the event of a conflict with the ILC PLA, because in the first place - this is still an infantry unit. History military conflicts knows no precedents for the successful operations of a purely armored unit against mixed infantry and armored forces. From this we can conclude that it will be difficult for LAV vehicles alone to withstand the combined combat potential of the Tour 05 family of vehicles and their infantry.

KMP PLA is not the most powerful amphibious force in the world. He does not have sufficient funds to compete with the closest rival - the United States Commission - in an open conflict. However, this is the area where the Chinese fleet plans to direct its forces in the near future. The ability to attack one or more aircraft carrier strike groups is the goal of building a modern Chinese Navy. In this regard, Chinese military literature widely analyzes the weaknesses of aircraft carriers and portrays the most favorable moments for their attack.

Obviously drawing inspiration from the Soviet strategy of fighting aircraft carriers of the Cold War era, the Chinese Navy intends to coordinate the massive strikes of anti-ship missiles launched from aircraft, surface ships and submarines on American aircraft carriers and their accompanying ships. As a result, the Navy and the ILC of the PLA may not need parity in the number of surface ships or aircraft to conduct military operations with the United States; instead, they will be able to choose means of destruction that are in full combat readiness to achieve their goals.
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  1. Kuroneko
    Kuroneko 3 October 2019 05: 48
    +14
    The Chinese fleet has only one Liaoning aircraft carrier, converted from the unfinished Ukrainian aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov.

    What?
    "Liaoning" is the former "Riga", then renamed into "Varyag" (and the project itself was called "Krechet"). Was the author too lazy to even go to Wikipedia before issuing such a pearl? = _ =
    1. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 3 October 2019 09: 40
      -2
      Some sort of selection from them is not very rigid, 5 km by water and 5 by land, nonsense, the school standard is 3km for 12
      1. Kuroneko
        Kuroneko 3 October 2019 10: 14
        +10
        Quote: Vol4ara
        Some sort of selection from them is not very rigid, 5 km by water and 5 by land, nonsense, the school standard is 3km for 12

        Did you also run and swim in full combat body kit at school? When is 20 kg loaded with you?
        1. Vol4ara
          Vol4ara 3 October 2019 13: 02
          -1
          Quote: Kuroneko
          Quote: Vol4ara
          Some sort of selection from them is not very rigid, 5 km by water and 5 by land, nonsense, the school standard is 3km for 12

          Did you also run and swim in full combat body kit at school? When is 20 kg loaded with you?

          I was 17 years old at school, and I ran at school not 3, but 10, just for myself
          1. Sailor
            Sailor 3 October 2019 19: 30
            +1
            And tried to swim in equipment, I mean at least camouflage and at least 1 km?
          2. mister-red
            mister-red 20 December 2019 11: 32
            0
            Try to bring along an iron pipe weighing 10 kilos and run a dozen.
            This is exactly how I ran in the army, the pipe was called RPG-16
        2. Doliva63
          Doliva63 3 October 2019 21: 12
          +1
          Quote: Kuroneko
          Quote: Vol4ara
          Some sort of selection from them is not very rigid, 5 km by water and 5 by land, nonsense, the school standard is 3km for 12

          Did you also run and swim in full combat body kit at school? When is 20 kg loaded with you?

          In the school "in full body kit" 10 km. in 46 minutes we ran as a group. Will it go?
          1. Good_Anonymous
            Good_Anonymous 3 December 2019 12: 37
            +1
            Quote: Doliva63
            In the school "in full body kit" 10 km. in 46 minutes we ran as a group. Will it go?


            Depends on the weight of the full calculation for you and the Chinese. And the one at which school course you had such requirements.
            1. Doliva63
              Doliva63 3 December 2019 16: 42
              0
              Quote: Good_Anonymous
              Quote: Doliva63
              In the school "in full body kit" 10 km. in 46 minutes we ran as a group. Will it go?


              Depends on the weight of the full calculation for you and the Chinese. And the one at which school course you had such requirements.

              If sclerosis does not lie, the calculation was standard, 32 kg., Which is the Chinese, I do not know. And the requirements were the same for all courses. Only the volume is probably different. But this is at school. In the troops then everything was somewhat different - and the weight is greater, and the distance.
              1. Good_Anonymous
                Good_Anonymous 3 December 2019 20: 58
                +1
                Quote: Doliva63
                And the requirements were the same for all courses


                Was the entrance exam like that too? Judging by the "conscripts should", they have this entrance exam.
                1. Doliva63
                  Doliva63 4 December 2019 17: 42
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                  Quote: Good_Anonymous
                  Quote: Doliva63
                  And the requirements were the same for all courses


                  Was the entrance exam like that too? Judging by the "conscripts should", they have this entrance exam.

                  No, of course, at the introductory - 100m. and 3 km. It’s clear who is from the citizen - in sneakers, who is from the army - in boots. Freebie in general laughing But the fact is that 50% of the cadets were recruited from the army, that is, those who have already run up with this calculation, 25% of the Suvorovites who also went through this, and only 25% of the "shpaks" of course, I had to sweat in the 1st year. And at the time of graduation, everyone had a bunch of categories in various "applied" and ordinary sports. Incl. and master of sports - from officer all-around to chess laughing
                  I didn’t have a "master", but 4 CCM - pistol shooting, kettlebell, OKU-32 and 10 km run. Well, plus classes in gymnastics and other types. Even in swimming, although it was never destined to swim, he had 1 category - he was "burned", the master of sports passed the test for me, I was very worried that he would not overdo it laughing And after graduation, an anecdote happened - in part of me, as a "young specialist", was appointed an instructor in swimming with weapons. laughing Where to go, managed, even had thanks for that laughing
          2. Vol4ara
            Vol4ara 20 December 2019 12: 53
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            Quote: Doliva63
            Quote: Kuroneko
            Quote: Vol4ara
            Some sort of selection from them is not very rigid, 5 km by water and 5 by land, nonsense, the school standard is 3km for 12

            Did you also run and swim in full combat body kit at school? When is 20 kg loaded with you?

            In the school "in full body kit" 10 km. in 46 minutes we ran as a group. Will it go?

            It’s great, but it’s not something extra class, the person who trains it will master it. I’ve forgotten now, but my friend is still engaged, runs to Vyborg 80km
            1. Doliva63
              Doliva63 20 December 2019 17: 59
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              Quote: Vol4ara
              Quote: Doliva63
              Quote: Kuroneko
              Quote: Vol4ara
              Some sort of selection from them is not very rigid, 5 km by water and 5 by land, nonsense, the school standard is 3km for 12

              Did you also run and swim in full combat body kit at school? When is 20 kg loaded with you?

              In the school "in full body kit" 10 km. in 46 minutes we ran as a group. Will it go?

              It’s great, but it’s not something extra class, the person who trains it will master it. I’ve forgotten now, but my friend is still engaged, runs to Vyborg 80km

              I did not say that this is an extra-class, on the contrary.
    2. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 3 October 2019 10: 58
      +2
      Is this when Ukraine built aircraft carriers? the author, if this is just a translation of the article, so write the source, and if you think Admiral Kuznetsov is Ukrainian, feel sad for you.
    3. bandabas
      bandabas 3 October 2019 13: 57
      +2
      By the way, the same thing is interesting with "Riga". The aircraft carrier "Admiral Kuznetsov" had the same name when it was laid in 1982. And then the renaming started.
  2. eagle owl
    eagle owl 3 October 2019 05: 58
    +6
    I did not understand the meaning of comparing the U.S. ILC and the Marine Corps in general. The ILC has nothing more to do with the maritime than with the infantry — it is one of the armies that exist in the United States and is subordinate only to the president. Which he can send at the request of his left heel to hell on the horns. And that is precisely why in the American system of checks and balances according to the norm, these supposedly Morskoys generally have no means of landing and transporting them in at least a significant amount ... Which, however, has been leveled by all US presidents after 9/11. However, the main thing remains - not the marines and not the infantry ...
    And in the case of a database between China and the United States, the Marine Corps of China - just the tasks of the Marine Corps is able to fulfill, a bridgehead. And to fight with the non-marine infantry corps of the ILC on land - is the Air Force and Ground Forces Is this when the tasks of the Marine included air battles and tank battles under the Prokhorov?
    1. gsev
      gsev 3 October 2019 12: 11
      -2
      Quote: Uhu
      This is when the tasks of the Marine included air battles and tank battles under the Prokhorovka?

      In general, the US Marine Corps was defeated by Chinese people's volunteers at the beginning of the Korean War. He was saved by the fact that if the Chinese in the division had on average one rifle per 2 fighters and the Chinese did not have air support, the Chinese were also catastrophically inferior in tanks and armored vehicles, instead of trucks in the state of the Chinese divisions of the first stage of the war, there were mostly porters. Indeed, the US Marine Corps may send the president to war without the approval of Congress. Therefore, any independent developing country must be prepared to stop and destroy the US Marines if the US President considers the economic methods of containing that country insufficient. After that, the US Congress should think well whether to climb into a new Vietnamese adventure. A good diplomat in the 60s could make Vietnam an ally of the United States against the expansion of China. There would be no Cambodian tragedy, more peaceful processes would take place in Indonesia, Malaya, and Thailand.
      1. vlados
        vlados 9 October 2019 22: 38
        0
        Throw a link to your flight of delusional fantasies, please
        1. gsev
          gsev 10 October 2019 03: 00
          0
          Quote: vlados
          Your flight of delusional fantasies please
          Reply

          Specifically, what do you think is delusional? What did you read about the Korean War?
          I recommend: http://militera.lib.ru/memo/other/pen_d01/index.html

          or http://militera.lib.ru/h/korea_50_53/index.html Can you give a refutation of these sources? I will look with interest if you can bring them.
          1. Good_Anonymous
            Good_Anonymous 3 December 2019 12: 47
            +1
            Quote: gsev
            Specifically, what do you think is delusional? What did you read about the Korean War?


            Personally, I - this: "the Chinese in the division, on average, had one rifle for 2 soldiers." Does this statement have a source?
            1. gsev
              gsev 30 December 2019 22: 44
              0
              http://militera.lib.ru/h/korea_50_53/index.html
              Look at the tables of the state of the Chinese compounds at the initial stage of the war.
              1. Good_Anonymous
                Good_Anonymous 31 December 2019 00: 08
                0
                Quote: gsev
                http://militera.lib.ru/h/korea_50_53/index.html
                Look at the tables of the state of the Chinese compounds at the initial stage of the war.


                If you mean Appendix 4, then you should say "by the time the Chinese entered the war, the division had on average one rifle for every 2 soldiers." But, judging by Table 7, Chapter 4, already during the war the situation changed for the better (for the Chinese volunteers). At the final stage, there is no need to talk about "one rifle for two" at all.

                And the "defeat of the US Marine Corps" is a loss of "40% to 70%" (wow spread) l / s of the 1st Marine Division? With the number of the ILC at the beginning of the war at 75000 people (261000 people by the end of the war), one division in (say, 20000 people) is far from the ILC.
  3. Amateur
    Amateur 3 October 2019 06: 08
    +2
    At first I thought "Damantsev". Wrong. This one is still more "analytic"
  4. gorenina91
    gorenina91 3 October 2019 07: 44
    +1
    The personnel of the Chinese marine corps totals about 12000 professional marines, while the strength of the PLA can be increased by adding airborne mechanized divisions from the PLA, which can bring the number of corps to about 20000 people.

    -Probably the author "was modest" and did not put down two more zeros ... to the mentioned numbers ...
  5. abrakadabre
    abrakadabre 3 October 2019 07: 50
    +2
    how the Marine Corps of the country looks against the background of Western competitors.
    I don’t know how it is compared to Western competitors, but judging by the first photo in the article, against the background of light sand and dried grass, the Chinese marines look very distinct even from a long distance.
  6. svp67
    svp67 3 October 2019 08: 16
    +1
    China is steadily building up and preparing its amphibious forces, which are of little use in the defense of its territory, so it’s worth considering the ever-strengthening forces of the PRC
  7. Operator
    Operator 3 October 2019 11: 44
    0
    The Chinese Armed Forces in TMV will solve the problem of capturing Taiwan, South Korea, Japan, Indochina, the Philippines, Indonesia, Australia and New Zealand and Hawaii.

    So the priority in the development of the naval forces of the PRC will only increase.
  8. Sasha_rulevoy
    Sasha_rulevoy 4 October 2019 17: 39
    -1
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jie01VCEntc

    Video how the ZTD-05 drowns in the river, burrowing its nose into the water at its own speed.

    The Chinese are going to flop them into the Pacific Ocean over the horizon, i.e. 30-40 km from the coast. And they must also fire a cannon afloat. This is just a parody and caricature of the American over-the-horizon landing.
    1. LastPS
      LastPS 5 October 2019 16: 31
      0
      The video was shot 20 years ago, also during testing - such an argument. Here is the relevant:
      1. Sasha_rulevoy
        Sasha_rulevoy 7 October 2019 19: 30
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        Yes indeed, this video does not sink. They only promised that she would swim over the horizon, and in the video she enters the water from the shore and floats no further than a couple of kilometers. It shoots from a cannon in the water, and then for some reason comes ashore with a sheathed cannon. It seems not too safe to shoot from this cannon in the water. And for some reason there is no anti-aircraft machine gun. Removed for relief? To not draw water from hatches?
  9. k_ply
    k_ply 6 October 2019 16: 55
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    MBT Abrams, in addition to the KVP LCAC, can deliver to the coast conventional displacement boats LCM8 and LCU. And the LAV-25 is not a BMP, but a BRM or BRDM, to be clear, a 25-mm gun is its only advantage. The battalions equipped with them (one per division) are not motorized infantry, as we have called them since the Soviet era, in fact they are light armored reconnaissance (armored cavalry in Western terminology), and are never used in full force (tactical tactical group) ) The reconnaissance group on board includes 4-5 people - not a rifle division at all, in the US MP it consists of 13 people, the main transport vehicle is the BTR LVTP-7A1 / AAVP-7A1, and compare it with it.
  10. kplayer
    kplayer 9 October 2019 20: 36
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    ... units equipped with AAV7 amphibious assault vehicles and M1A1 main battle tanks are rather slow and cumbersome for timely deployment ...

    An interesting military term - GROOMOZDKY ... It seems that 70 km / h is given (on the highway), what's wrong with their "slow" BM? Duc, everything is clear, they should re-equip their corps like our BTR-D, BMD, and on their approximate analogue of our "Sprut-SD" - "Sheridan". Well, and consequently, they cannot avoid reorganization - battalions will be reduced from ~ 900 to ~ 300 people. In general, it is better for them to use only compact formations, for example, "fur seals" - for TIME deployment.
  11. vlados
    vlados 9 October 2019 22: 40
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    An interesting article, but I wanted to read more about the preparation of the Chinese Marines and the equipment of the infantry itself, and not the performance characteristics of armored vehicles
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