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Bundeswehr explained the need for motorcycle teams

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Data transfer, Internet connection and network servers are the basis of any modern communication. Combat systems today are closely interwoven in digital communications. But what happens when the world of bits and bytes collapses? The Bundeswehr explains, believing that he insured himself against such an event. For this, the so-called motorcycle panzergrenadier teams have been created.


Bundeswehr explained the need for motorcycle teams


When radio or digital connections fail, we close the disconnect

- Dennis John from the 92 training battalion explains Hauptfeldfebel.

As he explains, paired with Corporal Lance corporal Alexander Roll, they "work hard even in bad weather." According to him, “no order is like another”: you have to deliver cards in paper form, written messages and flash drives with data through the most difficult terrain. Moreover, only a map and a compass act as a means of orientation.

We are, so to speak, a mobile means of communication

- said the military.

When motorcyclists move in the ranks of the marching column, they are engaged in the study of the path of its movement, in fact, acting as a reconnaissance unit.

Currently, the BMW F 850 GS with a weight of about 280 kg and 95 horsepower is the vehicle. The motorcycle is equipped with a large tank with a capacity of more than 20 liters. The operator is able to change speed without squeezing the clutch. Technique is always paired.
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  1. novel66
    novel66 2 October 2019 11: 23
    +8
    I even know what this will lead to
    1. demo
      demo 2 October 2019 11: 57
      +5
      And here's another.



      The new is the well-forgotten old.
      1. novel66
        novel66 2 October 2019 12: 35
        0
        bad, bad they forgot !!
        1. krot
          krot 2 October 2019 18: 30
          +1
          I agree with all the previous speakers! It is these associations that arose wassat The Germans have a short memory .. Well)
      2. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 2 October 2019 19: 44
        0
        Quote: demo
        The new is the well-forgotten old.

        So, it seems, after Stalingrad they were abandoned?
    2. smart ass
      smart ass 2 October 2019 15: 57
      -1
      The evil Russian Ivan will turn on his beauty to dove mail will have to go.
  2. Pedrodepackes
    Pedrodepackes 2 October 2019 11: 27
    +7
    the vehicle is a BMW F 850 ​​GS weighing about 280 kg and a power of 95 hp. The motorcycle is equipped with a large tank with a capacity of more than 20 liters
    yeah, he’s got a stroller with MG-42 and an eagle in the front.
    1. bessmertniy
      bessmertniy 2 October 2019 12: 29
      +5
      And bicycles would be cheaper.
      1. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 2 October 2019 21: 58
        0
        bessmertniy, I understand your joke. :-) But as a bicycle lover, I don’t understand why there are no bicycle units in our army? .. Cheap, mobile, convenient ..
        1. Grits
          Grits 3 October 2019 01: 08
          +1
          Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
          I don’t understand why there are no bicycle units in our army? .. Cheap, mobile, convenient ..

          Before the WWII such units in the armies of all the Netherlands, Poland and others were enough. Cheap, mobile, convenient. Somehow it didn’t really help ...
  3. DEDPIHTO
    DEDPIHTO 2 October 2019 11: 28
    +7
    When motorcyclists move in the ranks of the marching column, they are engaged in the study of the path of its movement, in fact, acting as a reconnaissance unit.

    Currently, the BMW F 850 ​​GS weighs about 280 kg and has a power of 95 hp.
    Welcome to this fool on the primer, wet with rains. laughing Or did they reach all the forests with high-speed autobahns? winked
    I go to the taiga for mushrooms in light Chinese, Alpha, and then there are enough mats, so it weighs less than 100 kg. compared to the German dinosaur, pull out of poop. I need to figure out a quadric. what
    1. Tatar 174
      Tatar 174 2 October 2019 11: 55
      +3
      Quote: DEPHIHTO
      I need to figure out a quadric.

      Is not a better horse?)))
      1. DEDPIHTO
        DEDPIHTO 2 October 2019 12: 02
        +8
        No, the trouble with her is much more than with the quad, although on the cross, yes, the horse is down. yes
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 2 October 2019 12: 18
          +1
          A horse is still an untouchable stock of grubs - in case of lingering boilers, due to the lack of food.
          1. marshes
            marshes 2 October 2019 12: 30
            +4
            Quote: Vadim237
            A horse is still an untouchable stock of grubs - in case of lingering boilers, due to the lack of food.

            Now you will find a good draft horse, you only have short-legged Mongolian breeds. Or Alkhatekintsy, at the price of a Mercedes and above.
            1. Andrei Nikolaevich
              Andrei Nikolaevich 2 October 2019 22: 05
              +4
              ,,, Only short-legged Mongolian breed ,,,
              My grandfather returned from the front and was in three villages. He had a Mongolian horse - "Boy, Clever, there are not many. Grandfather remembered him all his life.
              Grandfather will get drunk with friends, in a sled and home. The boy himself will bring him home and with his face in the window of the house, knock on his grandmother to go out and, the representative of power, take home. :-)
          2. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 2 October 2019 12: 38
            0
            Quote: Vadim237
            A horse is still an untouchable stock of grubs - in case of lingering boilers, due to the lack of food.

            A horse is a military property. In the army of Vlasov, surrounded, horses were bursting only when they themselves died of starvation, or from bombing, and so on.
            1. Antares
              Antares 2 October 2019 22: 00
              +1
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              In the army of Vlasov, surrounded, horses were bursting only when they themselves died of starvation, or from bombing, and so on.

              they always burst like that (especially in sieges)
              you can still recall how horses were used in Asia as canned live meat, which accompanied other horses for transportation.
          3. Grits
            Grits 3 October 2019 01: 15
            0
            Quote: Vadim237
            A horse is still an untouchable stock of grubs - in case of lingering boilers, due to the lack of food.

            And also skins, hooves and harnesses. Which can be chewed in severe Russian winters. Especially the French learned this lesson well
      2. marshes
        marshes 2 October 2019 12: 10
        +3
        Quote: Tatar 174
        Is not a better horse?)))

        Now we have shepherds got off their horses, but they moved to the Chinese.
        1. bessmertniy
          bessmertniy 2 October 2019 12: 30
          +2
          A horse is also a wonderful fertilizer! wink
          1. marshes
            marshes 2 October 2019 12: 33
            +2
            Quote: bessmertniy
            A horse is also a wonderful fertilizer!

            If she’s standing in the stall all the time and you’ll get sick of collecting it in the steppes or mountains.
    2. dvina71
      dvina71 2 October 2019 12: 34
      +3
      Quote: DEPHIHTO
      I go to the taiga to pick mushrooms in light Chinese, Alpha, and then there are enough mats

      Alpha has a small high-speed engine with an insignificant KM on the bottoms. Therefore, the problems. BMW 95 has a strong 4-stroke tactic with good KM on the bottoms. He rides through the woods much better ..

      Not as an advertisement .. just check out at what speed it is crawling .. and pop on such rubber in the sand ... well done .. what ..
      1. DEDPIHTO
        DEDPIHTO 2 October 2019 14: 27
        +3
        Quote: dvina71
        Alpha has a small high-speed engine with an insignificant KM on the bottoms. Therefore, the problems. BMW 95 has a strong 4-stroke tactic with good KM on the bottoms. He rides through the woods much better ..
        The problem is not in the engine, otherwise I would point out, the problem is that the forest is different, try to ride a two-wheeled pepelats along the northern abandoned clayey forest roads with deep ruts and swampy areas. Clay will be worse than sand and toothy cross rubber does not help much here, wheels can blow in different directions and you won’t guess, you will understand when you already blow bubbles in the mud. There is only one joy that the weight of the motorcycle is not elephantic every time you lift it from some place and drag the swamps. hi
        1. dvina71
          dvina71 2 October 2019 14: 44
          0
          Quote: DEPHIHTO
          - try to ride on a two-wheeled pepelats along the northern abandoned clay Clay forest roads with deep ruts and swampy areas.

          I personally have not tried it. However, somehow they went to the forest .. it was necessary seven kilometers along the old swampy clearing to go through. We are looking for ... a noise from behind .., Sunrise-3 overtakes us, though the driver goes nearby, but the downstream motor allows this ..., the backpack was riding a motorcycle .., and we dragged our own on ourselves. If this BMW allows you to put wide tires with good grousers .. it will go far, just because of the traction motor.
        2. Grits
          Grits 3 October 2019 01: 22
          +1
          Quote: DEPHIHTO
          There is only one joy that the weight of the motorcycle is not elephantic every time you lift it from some place and drag the swamps.

          In his youth, Dad gave me his old Izh-56. That's where the low-speed tractor! I even dragged haystacks on the field on it. And he crawls no worse than a tank. His name was BMP. But. On forest roads with a deep track, indeed, engine power is secondary. The main thing is how to push it out or hold it so as not to fall over.
          For the same reason, the Urals were not very favored, despite its power. Because if you drown him, you can't push him together.
    3. Geo
      Geo 2 October 2019 16: 40
      +2
      Quote: DEPHIHTO
      I need to figure out a quadric

      Quadric is also not an option. We somehow bought a Yamaha grizzly (and even a trailer, damn it, bought it), we thought we would really get where we wanted. On average off-road, I had to get up and go next to him, holding the steering wheel with one hand and podgazovaya, so that at least he would roll, while the use of the trailer was out of the question. On normal off-road - there were no options to drive any.
      So MTLBu is our everything laughing . We will leave quadrics to summer residents and children.
      1. DEDPIHTO
        DEDPIHTO 2 October 2019 17: 45
        +1
        It depends on which quadric. wink For example, the Vologda four-wheeled vehicles ..
        And at a price much cheaper than classic quadra. hi
        1. Geo
          Geo 2 October 2019 21: 57
          0
          For such small-series people (or, moreover, home-made products), the main problem is that with less or less intensive use, you are tortured to repair them, and they go to a landfill much earlier than a normal mass product.
          Technique on low-pressure wheels (I don’t consider equipment with ordinary wheels as an all-terrain vehicle in principle) is very limited in terms of use: any ford with sharp pebbles, any sharp branch on the way - and you’re lost. Yes, and in a normal swamp (or water barrier) on such a technique it is dangerous to ride, because its buoyancy is more than conventional. Specifically, "your" ATV, most likely, when driving through a normal swamp, will collect a carpet of vegetation covering the swamp on its face and drown itself safely (I saw this behavior even in TRECOL, and here the muzzle is even lower). Going out on such a technique from the water surface to a clayey, not gentle shore with an excess of more than 0,5 meters becomes even more entertainment. And so on and so forth. So, whatever one may say, only goslings.
          This is if we talk about normal off-road.
    4. Grits
      Grits 3 October 2019 01: 11
      +1
      Quote: DEPHIHTO
      I go to the taiga for mushrooms in light Chinese, Alpha, and then there are enough mats, so it weighs less than 100 kg. compared to the German dinosaur, pull out of poop.

      In good times, they always went to the taiga on motorcycles. Izh with a sidecar as a cargo, "loner" as a passenger. I especially liked "Minsk" - an analogue of the current Chinese "Alpha" - you could get it out of any dirt from anywhere.
  4. Invoce
    Invoce 2 October 2019 11: 32
    +3
    In any case, this is correct. Mobile units are not only the mobility of enemy troops, but also good trophies!
    1. Livonetc
      Livonetc 2 October 2019 11: 36
      +7
      BMW trophy worthy.
      Good drin or cable to meet the panzergrenadier.
  5. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 2 October 2019 11: 36
    +3
    And in the mountains, dispatches can be delivered on donkeys. Trouble-free equipment.
    1. bessmertniy
      bessmertniy 2 October 2019 12: 32
      +2
      You can doves too. They are not as stubborn as donkeys. feel
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 2 October 2019 12: 50
        +2
        Useful pigeons yes But donkeys are not basted either. They are universal animals. I would have gone for reconnaissance with this, because the instinctive sense of danger in war is simply priceless. Here they explain why they are considered stubborn and write about sensitivity and militancy.
        These animals have a very developed instinct for self-preservation, and if they feel a danger to life, they will not even process it for goodies. For example, a worn-out horse can even be made to run and drive it to death, but a tired donkey is neither a carrot nor a carrot. It was for this quality that he received the unflattering characterization of a stubborn animal. However, this instinct laid by nature is also successfully used by man. Donkeys are very well aware of the danger and the donkey will never go to where an earthquake will soon occur or the fighting is about to begin. Therefore, if he stubbornly and turns off the right path, then his master will prefer to obey the donkey and go the other way. In the end, he still has no other options.
        Among other things, a donkey is able to fend for itself and other animals with which it lives side by side. In winter, wolves or other predators attack livestock in the mountains. In such cases, the horses prefer to run away from the enemy, but the donkey stubbornly goes to the toothy mouth, intending to get on it with hooves. And if a foal is in the herd, then the beast that has encroached on it will definitely not be greeted. An enraged donkey is capable of sweeping everything in its path, and in this case, not only the hooves, but also the teeth go into battle ... https: //ilike.pet/ru/articles/article-pochemu-upryamitsya-osel/
  6. Yrec
    Yrec 2 October 2019 11: 53
    +5
    Normal situation when it is necessary to observe the radio silence mode. But "they work even in unfavorable weather" - it's just fire! Maybe the Bundeswehr is not an army but a nightclub?
  7. beeper
    beeper 2 October 2019 11: 55
    +3
    Well done Germans, by no means forget the successful experience of World War II, when it happened that their motorcycle reconnaissance patrols, penetrating the rear, seized bridges and whole places until their troops arrived!
    They prepare military motorcyclists and develop their military motorcycles for the new "requirements of the times" - calmly and very thoughtfully, pragmatically preparing for the coming war ?! what
    But the motorcycle divisions of the Red Army, too, were not bastard-they are used and whether their combat experience is developing in the Russian Army, or is it "successfully" forgotten, abandoned and will be "remembered" only when the "roast cock" will "bite" the whole sirloin ??! winked
  8. rocket757
    rocket757 2 October 2019 11: 56
    +2
    When radio or digital connections fail, we close the disconnect

    Is logical. A motorcycle on cross, stealth, speed is much faster / better on the ground, at least.
    Historical analogies are quite appropriate, there are no contradictions.
  9. eagle owl
    eagle owl 2 October 2019 12: 07
    +2
    Nude and what is it? As for me, the US courier service is much funnier. Which is not in nature. and the keys to launch the ICBMs are sent by DHL ... This is just ridiculous. Although it may very well be sad - such a vulnerability - and such troops ... It may come back hard not only to those who do not have courier service.
  10. Avior
    Avior 2 October 2019 12: 30
    +4
    Motorcycles are not environmentally friendly.
    Where do greenpeople look with greenpeace?
    Scooters are needed. This will be stylish and modern ... smile
    1. marshes
      marshes 2 October 2019 12: 35
      0
      Quote: Avior
      Scooters are needed. This will be stylish and modern ...

      There will be problems with hydrogen sulfide emissions. laughing
  11. Eug
    Eug 2 October 2019 12: 36
    +2
    As for me, the coolest thing for messengers and messengers, especially for short distances - a bicycle, the only negative - it doesn’t pull up a steep mountain, but the collection points, communication centers and headquarters do not have it there, they are usually tied to roads, even to country, even though it’s an intelligence sign. The main thing is that it goes quietly, even though the motorcycle, even the quadrics are quite loud. And the average speed across the intersection will not differ much, losing in time at a short distance will not be large either. And in case of loss of a vehicle it is easier to report ...
    1. cosmonaut
      cosmonaut 2 October 2019 19: 17
      0
      I’ve traveled all my life on a bicycle. I don’t agree. I wouldn’t like to be in such a service. 4-5 km you can certainly ride without getting tired. you’ll only surrender to the enemy a little warm)) you can ride 30 km without getting tired, but then at the speed of a pedestrian. and in this case there is no sense in a bicycle ... but on rough terrain there’s nothing to talk about. here you’ll be on the same sand to drag a bicycle on a hump. without a bicycle you will reach faster) the bicycle also needs a hard road, otherwise it’s a problem) my personal opinion is a quad with powerful rubber is the most important thing.
  12. Hort
    Hort 2 October 2019 14: 21
    +1
    true to tradition
  13. Alexander X
    Alexander X 2 October 2019 18: 38
    0
    A motorcycle with a drive wheel and a sidecar is this thing for patency, since we started talking about motorcycles. He witnessed how at one of the motor festivals such a motorcycle easily drove uphill after a rain along clay track. All other motorcycles had to be pulled / pushed on hands. Well, as an option, cross-country ability is still characteristic of very light endurics on evil rubber + a skilled motorcyclist ... But for a moderate BMW 750 lane on the right rubber, a very good motorcycle.
  14. Rocj
    Rocj 2 October 2019 21: 37
    0
    We are also being revived. received an order from the Ministry of Defense.
    Why not? and if still on electric motors, they will not be heard at all. my wish.
  15. Antares
    Antares 2 October 2019 22: 05
    0
    A motorcycle (like a horse in old times) raised the mobility of individual fighters.
    Wheeled is not bad for a developed road network (Europe is the one)
    You can certainly try and such


    but this is exotic even the Germans remember Kettenkrad
  16. Gronsky
    Gronsky 4 October 2019 16: 05
    0
    As Woland said. Blood is a great thing. And this is how chances for motorcycles are drawn. What then what now.
    P.S. More sleeves to roll up to the elbow, also a matter for them all-time. What a German without rolled up sleeves and on a motorcycle. laughing