The agony of the Russian school

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The strength of the government rests on the ignorance of the people, and it knows this and therefore will always fight against enlightenment.
L. N. Tolstoy






For a quarter century, Russian education has been killed in Russia. Obviously, the "reforms" have reached their point - the Russian school is in agony. The commercialization of society and culture (the complete victory of the Western “golden calf” society) plus the imposed Western “democratization” and “liberalization” of the school led to a total degradation of the education system.

The agony of the Russian school

Schoolchildren of the USSR, 1954


Enough to read the most sonorous news from school life in one day, September 24 2019: massacre at school was prevented in Kirov; in the Leningrad Region, a schoolboy systematically beats classmates for several years in a row, and the school leadership and parents can do nothing about it.

Hitler and the Russian school


The Soviet school as the basis of the Soviet state and people tried to destroy the Nazis. The military-political elite of the Third Reich perfectly understood the significance of the Russian school. Without the destruction of education, it was impossible to destroy Russian (Soviet) statehood and turn the people into non-management-subhuman people.

Let’s take excerpts from the shorthand record of Hitler’s statements on the book of V.I. Dashicheva “Bankruptcy of the strategy of German fascism: historical Essays, Documents, Materials ”(Moscow: Nauka, 1973). Adolf Hitler, March 1942:
“First of all, German school teachers should not be allowed to go to the eastern regions. Otherwise, we will lose not only children, but also parents. We lose all the people. For the fact that we hammer them in the head will not do them good. It would be ideal to teach them to understand only the language of signs and signals. On the radio, the population would be presented with what is acceptable to him: music without any restrictions. But in no case should they be allowed to engage in mental work. We really cannot allow any printed matter. ”


Hitler, April 1942:
“If the Russians, Ukrainians, Kyrgyz and others learn to read and write, it will only hurt us. For such skills would enable the most capable of them to acquire certain knowledge in the field of history and, therefore, come to reflections of a political nature, the tip of which would inevitably be directed against us. ... it would be wiser to install a loudspeaker in each village in order to inform people about the news and give them food for conversation; this is better than allowing them to independently study political, scientific, etc. information. And let it never occur to anyone to transmit information from their past history to the conquered peoples by radio. Transfer should be music and music again! For fun music promotes hard work. And if people can dance more, then this ... should be welcomed. ”


Thus, the German occupiers wanted to leave the Soviet people only music without any restrictions, dancing and entertainment. Mental work, political, scientific and other knowledge, mathematics and history were excluded.

Destruction of the basics


In the 1920-ies, after the revolution of 1917 and the fall of the Russian Empire, in Soviet Russia they also “experimented” and “rebuilt” the school a lot, looking for its new face, different from the tsarist period. It came to the abolition of traditional history, geography and literature, Alexander Nevsky and Dmitry Donskoy, Ivan the Terrible and Alexander III, Alexander Pushkin and Mikhail Lermontov, Fedor Dostoevsky and Leo Tolstoy were removed from the course of education. However, in the 30 years, under the Stalinist “reaction”, when the task was to industrialize in an agrarian and peasant country, to create advanced science and education, to provide defense capabilities and a breakthrough into the future of the USSR, they immediately remembered the experience of tsarist gymnasiums and the classical formation of the Russian Empire. They began to use programs and textbooks of a class alien regime. Only the school became mass, learning - universal.

The result was great! Soviet school became the best in the world! In the 1960 years, D. Kennedy said:
“Soviet education is the best in the world. The USSR won the space race for the school desk. "


The conclusions of the NATO Analytical Note on Education in the USSR (1959) contain the following thoughts:
“States that are independently competing with the USSR are wasting their strength and resources in attempts that are doomed to failure. If it is impossible to constantly invent methods that are superior to the methods of the USSR, it’s worth seriously thinking about borrowing and adapting Soviet methods. ”


During the Khrushchev "perestroika" and later, the Soviet school lost a lot. In particular, the student’s responsibility for studying was removed and teachers were obliged to positively assess the “work” of loafers and parasites. However, despite all the mistakes, the Soviet school still remained one of the best in the world (or even the best, depending on how you evaluate). She created a powerful creative, scientific and educational foundation in the country and people. So, according to UNESCO, in the 1991 year (the year of the death of the Soviet empire), Russia occupied the 3 place in the world ranking in terms of education.

Then, “reformers” and “optimizers” —destructors — reached the Russian school. The "reform" of education has begun. They introduced the Bologna system, the Unified State Exam, the Basic State Exam, the All-Russian Verification Work (VPR), “game” elements, etc. The hours of basic subjects were drastically reduced, and a lot of unnecessary, auxiliary, breaking, mutilating general system appeared. In particular, the strengthening of ethnocultural components in national republics (language, history, culture), the teaching of religion in schools, sex education, psychology, family science, etc. Moreover, the erosion of the basic program is constantly increasing. Now we are in the top ten in terms of education and degradation continues!

Raising the status of the final exam at school to the level of the entrance exam to a higher educational institution, the "reformers" delivered two powerful blows at once. First, the teacher was denied trust. Now the semi-poor teachers, it turns out, have become the "main corrupt officials" in the country (they have already banned sweets and flowers). Teachers were broken, the program began to be carried out formally, and now they simply “train” students to pass the state exam, CDF, since a lot depends on the results not only for students, but also for teachers. Secondly, for students and their parents, now the main thing in the educational process is what will be on the final exam, and not a systematic study of the basics of basic subjects. Not the students getting fundamental knowledge, not the formation of conceptual thinking in them, not the development of students and their training in systematic mental work. The results are devastating, the level of basic knowledge of applicants fell catastrophically. The level of universities automatically fell to the bulk of poorly trained students in high school.

Thus, by the will of the liberal pro-Western "elite", "reformers", there was a sharp degradation and debilitation of the younger generations. Very soon, the last remnants of the Soviet school will be finally killed, and we will go down to the level of the former Western colonies in Africa by the level of education and the development of the mass school (the "elite" have their own schools and abroad). And the collapse of education is the collapse of a nation. The collapse of science, training systems for industry and defense. Very soon, the country will face the task of eliminating illiteracy, like the Bolsheviks after the revolution and turmoil.

The victory of "democracy" and "tolerance" at school


I remember earlier, when they watched Western films about the school, they were surprised at the level of violence and licentiousness there. Drug trafficking, theft, robbery, sex and fighting are what students do instead of studying. An excellent film on this subject is “The Director” with D. Belushi in the title role (1987), where the hero fights with a youth gang. Or “Only the Strongest” (1993) with M. Dacascos in the title role. Here, a former soldier becomes a teacher in his former school and tries to save difficult children from violence and drugs through the study of martial arts (Brazilian capoeira). He also encounters a drug mafia, which has positions in the school.

In the past, slaughter, massacres in American schools caused surprise. However, not much time has passed, and these same phenomena are becoming commonplace in our schools. In January 2018, in the capital of Buryatia, Ulan-Ude, a student of the 9 class burst into the school with an ax and a Molotov cocktail, injuring several people. In the same month, two teenagers with knives attacked a school in Perm, 15 people were injured. In October 2018, a massacre occurred at the Kerch Polytechnic College (21 people died, 67 were injured). In May 2019, a schoolboy with an ax attacked a school in Volsk (Saratov Region). And such emergency situations are already becoming the norm. Domination is licentiousness and permissiveness. Pupils are attacking students, students against teachers. Even murders, not to mention rape and beatings. Pupils, taking advantage of the defenselessness and powerlessness of teachers, the school leadership in the new "democratic" conditions, the victory of complete "tolerance" and humanity, swear, scoff at adult and weaker students.

The "democrats" in the 1990-2000-s introduced the cult of the "rights of the child" and turned over the old established notions of justice and rights on its head. Then the “digital world” also connected, when people who consider themselves offended have the opportunity to shoot videos taken out of context and launch them on social networks. And then “human rights activists” and “bloggers” will add kerosene to the fire and make an elephant out of flies. Previously, teachers or the director could quickly put in place a novice bully (possibly a criminal) with a simple shout, setting in a corner, a slap or a pointer, and then the dirty trick would also go home. Behind the scenes, this was the norm in traditional society and protected it from greater evil. There were also a number of thoughtful and proven tools to deal with such phenomena as calling parents to school, sending letters to parents' workplaces, expelling from school, police children's rooms, special schools for hard-to-reach children, etc.

Now the opposite is true. Under pressure from Western human rights organizations in the post-Soviet space, total “liberalization” was carried out. Literally totalitarian methods for protecting the rights of the child have been created. For an attempt to stop the bully, the teachers will be turned into all kinds of denigrations and expelled from school, otherwise they will open a criminal case, and juvenile justice will be hurt and the child will be taken away from the parent who tries to exercise his right to bring up at home.

As a result, school leaders, teachers, chief doctors and heads of district police departments and many parents stepped aside from primary measures to prevent licentiousness, dirty tricks and disorderly conduct, which very often lead to serious criminal offenses, theft, and violence. Teachers, directors and other officials began to “unsubscribe”. Avoid any ambiguous, potentially dangerous situations. Now teachers on Western methods are taught to "look for an approach to the child." The posts of social educators and psychologists were created to “find an approach”. However, one cannot only re-educate already spoiled people in kind. Ordinary pedagogy cannot solve this problem in principle. It's impossible.

Due to the increase in violence in society, schools are already reminiscent of prisons. Fences, cameras, security and access control. But this is of little use. Only a reminder of the sharp decline in the quality of life and security in Russia compared to Soviet civilization.

What did we get on the way out? Complete scrapping of discipline and order at school. Promiscuity, permissiveness and the ability to break away from school. Mat, smoking and drinking teenagers. Older children beat younger ones, swearing, sending teachers to "walk in the woods." Constant stories in the media about beatings, violence, and killings in schools. Given the general degradation of society in schools, more and more mentally ill children. But there is no government on them. There is no effective legal protection from “difficult teenagers”. Police before 14 years (most often before 16) can do nothing at all. Psychiatrists recognize them as sane and send them back to school. Teachers close their eyes. School management cannot expel a “black sheep” from school. Parents dump on school, they say, they are paid for it, let them educate.

There is no order at school, no normal learning process. The output is total debilitation and degradation of schoolchildren, and then society.

What to do


The fundamental reason for the destruction of the Russian school is the dominance of a liberal, pro-Western ideology in Russia. Total commercialization of Russian society and culture. Our country has become part of the Western world of the "golden calf" - a consumer society that leads to self-destruction and destruction of the entire planet and humanity. To stop this process, it is necessary to return to the original path of development of Russian civilization. With the rule of ethics of conscience and social justice.

No need to reinvent the wheel, you need to return to the classic Russian (Soviet) school. Take Soviet methods, programs and textbooks, adapt them to the present. The Soviet school was the best in the world. Use this foundation to create a society of creators and creators, and not slaves of the "digital concentration camp", as it is now. It is also necessary to restore order and discipline in schools, to put an end to “tolerance” towards loafers, hooligans and juvenile delinquents.

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  1. +45
    3 October 2019 05: 44
    Everything is correct in the article. And in general, breaking is not building, everything that our "reformers" undertake immediately begins to sink.
    1. +37
      3 October 2019 06: 01
      Quote: Van 16
      Everything is correct in the article. And in general, breaking is not building, everything that our "reformers" undertake immediately begins to sink.
      More precisely, what work they don’t entrust, everything will fill up.
      A photo in the beginning of the article class! Nostalgia for childhood. In this form we went. to school in primary school. How long ago it was, and the most unloved was to write in the form of letters. Until now, the handwriting is clumsy, but they taught us very high quality
      1. +21
        3 October 2019 06: 37
        and not with a ballpoint pen, but with a pen.
        1. +14
          3 October 2019 07: 01
          Quote: Strashila
          but with a pen.

          And with different hi push!
          1. +8
            3 October 2019 07: 10
            there was a nonsense.
        2. +16
          3 October 2019 07: 05
          Quote: Strashila
          and not with a ballpoint pen, but with a pen.

          Pen it later, as an encouragement. And be sure to feather number 11 "Star"
          And the inkwells were different. In our school, unlike other schools, they wrote in black, ink of this color could not be found, so black aniline dye was dissolved and ink was obtained.
          1. +19
            3 October 2019 07: 09
            And there were blunders in the notebooks Yes
          2. +10
            3 October 2019 07: 18
            Quote: Amurets
            the inkwells were different

            They were plugged with a stopper and rushed separately, in a bag, so as not to fill notebooks and textbooks in a portfolio.
          3. +11
            3 October 2019 07: 55
            I have 15 such feathers in the collection! There are old instructional filmstrips, even on glass plates, and just movies!
          4. +2
            4 October 2019 00: 52
            But with a "skeleton" we were forbidden to write.
            1. +3
              4 October 2019 02: 04
              Quote: besserbest
              But with the "skeleton" we were forbidden to write

              We, too, but my father loved these feathers, it was convenient to write with ink in them. He often had to sign nameplates in electrical cabinets.
          5. +1
            4 October 2019 16: 38
            Damn, I wrote with a fountain pen at school (one in the class, thanks to my mother), it was such a buzz ...
          6. +4
            6 October 2019 23: 55
            Today I heard a story. In Moscow, parents sent the child to first grade. Half a class of Kyrgyzstan. The teacher cannot give the class material on the school curriculum because half of the class do not understand Russian. But the child for a month in full spits in Kirkiz. Parents in shock: the school teaches their children in Kyrgyz.
        3. +1
          4 October 2019 23: 27
          Quote: Strashila
          and not with a ballpoint pen, but with a pen.

          After the reform of education, EMNIP in 1965, in 1966, I remember exactly, there were two graduations, 10 graders and 11 graders, after the 8th grade, who went on to study further in school, wrote down notebooks with fountain pens, as in the institute , since the old programs were canceled, and the new programs did not have textbooks, it was left to us and the teachers. Sometimes, during a lesson, a bulk fountain pen was written to dry and during breaks it was often possible to see how high school students refilled their fountain pens. That's when the handwriting got badly damaged. Recently I found my physics notebook for the 9th grade, looked, so for the lesson we wrote out 5-7 pages. Where it was possible to display every little letter, everything is quickly clumsy and so that you can understand.
      2. +1
        4 October 2019 18: 20
        Well, depending on how you look!
        It depends on what they were instructed!
        And then maybe the opposite is complete success?
    2. +13
      3 October 2019 06: 06
      There is no order at school, no normal learning process. The output is the total debilitation and degradation of schoolchildren, and then society
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      1. +8
        3 October 2019 08: 59
        funny video. The teacher was culturally sent to the famous place by the bear.
        1. +22
          3 October 2019 11: 11
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          The teacher was culturally sent to the famous place by the bear.

          Figuratively, he sent all state employees. Time passed and they sent everyone and began to quit. The catastrophe is not only with doctors, but also with teachers
          1. +2
            3 October 2019 21: 07
            Quote: Silvestr
            Figuratively, he sent all state employees.

            You're right
            Here, read:
            https://www.litmir.me/br/?b=647227&p=1
            Weekdays teachers. P. Astapov.
          2. +8
            4 October 2019 13: 18
            Quote: Silvestr
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            The teacher was culturally sent to the famous place by the bear.

            Figuratively, he sent all state employees. Time passed and they sent everyone and began to quit. The catastrophe is not only with doctors, but also with teachers

            Himself a former teacher of physical education at school. As the opportunity arose, he quit and moved to the village. It got to the point that they threatened with the barrel and just reprisal. Once they threw a knife right on the porch of the school ... Due to the quick reaction, I pulled out the knife and carried it to the principal ... The result is FULL ZERO ...
            Now I work at Gazprom ... When my children receive a reprimand (teachers complain to the eldest daughter), I prescribe hot guys (in extreme cases) or arrange "psychological pumping" (most often), because I understand that teachers are not easy , so also the idiots will wind their nerves ...
            Work experience at school at the time of dismissal - 6 years, was a teacher of the II category ... They did not want to let go ... they gave up labor when the school year began. And the director was still old, of the Soviet "hardening" (this is in the school where he moved and worked for the last two years), she persuaded everything ... He graduated from the pedagogical school in 1990. (ie, education was still Soviet ... what is being taught now - you can imagine) ... Then I graduated from the university (former institute) ... but there they were no longer taught as seriously as in Soviet times.
            In rural areas I did not go to school - the memories of the “rights of the child” were too fresh ... and then I don’t see any reason to change anything, and the age is not the same.
          3. +9
            4 October 2019 14: 34
            A catastrophe with this state is inevitable. For Russia, for the whole country. No one will stand aside. Not only ,, doctors with teachers ,,. Everywhere A PARODY FOR LIFE. In domestic political life there is no clear division into the ruling party and the opposition, there is no understanding that the opinion of the opposition is important for the normal functioning of the state .... In the economy there is no clear division into the private sector and the state. They pretend that they don’t know the effective correlation of these sectors and, having pumped up state-owned enterprises with taxpayer money, they famously privatize them ... The school, by order of world and homegrown non-people, grows up bad people (as this definition was understood in the 30th century), ,. They are easily forced to work for ,, the masters of the world ,, - ,, ordinary nonhumans ,,. Those who arranged, for example, the demolition of the twin towers in New York, the Pentagon’s attack with a cruise missile ... Healthcare deliberately introduces chaos, interfering with a bunch, free and paid services ... The spiritual health of the nation is also a big question . What can a well-known hierarch-impostor and all of his command give Russia? What is the case with the Third Rome, is it possible? But is there an ARMY in this state? Or only a certain number of people in military uniforms? For example, Donetsk is literally flooded with people in uniform. So what? ,, Motorola ,, was killed in the city center, the Head of the Republic Zakharchenko was killed in the city center ... That is. the presence of a large number of people in uniform does not save from problems. There are many questions to the quality of the officer corps. On what foundation have they been raised for the last XNUMX years? .... ,, Honor and dignity ,, are an empty phrase if there are no conditions and mechanisms for implementation. But for PEOPLE, these concepts are very important. They are especially important for those who have chosen to defend their homeland as their profession. For nonhumans, the above concepts are abstract abrocadabra. They are not interested. ,, Milking ,, the country of residence is their favorite pastime. A century of any state on the territory of Russia will not be long if it ignores the basic values ​​of millennial Russia
          4. +6
            5 October 2019 01: 52
            In general, he confirmed the opinion repeatedly stated by small officials that the state owes nothing to a citizen! I have only one question, to the professor’s son, the citizens of Russia also do not owe anything to this Medvedev sub-state.
            And here I agree with the position of Prokhanov, who predicts a new demolition of Russia against the backdrop of increasing activity of arrangers and the unwillingness of the authorities to make a real qualitative leap that takes into account the interests of the people.
            Medvedev is a direct example of unprecedented cynicism and outright stupidity, he probably does not know that he is the prime minister of the state of Russia? And behaves like a simple layman?
      2. +3
        4 October 2019 10: 49
        A deeply non-state person holding a responsible post. His philistine approach to solving state problems is absolutely obvious. And what should one think about the president, who patronizes him?
        On the one hand, there seem to be some seemingly correct outwardly political steps for the president, on the other hand, complete lack of talent and inability to solve domestic political and economic problems.
        I always have a cognitive dissonance on these individuals, on and their decisions. I can assume that my ignorance and not knowing the realities of political life is to blame, but such political trash grows out of our common human environment. Well, how do they forget the roots of human communication?
        I can assume the basis and root cause of this in extreme cynicism and megacenterism of these subjects. These are solvers that do not solve the problem itself, but drive it to hell, offering new meanings.
        I am even more convinced of the slop human material that is used in the leadership of the country.
      3. +1
        4 October 2019 18: 24
        That is, returning to the wording of the question: the police and security forces are not officially calling, but making money!
        Then it explains a lot and puts in its place, answers many rhetorical questions ...
        1. +4
          5 October 2019 01: 58
          We now have no vocation as such. There is a provision of services)))
          Siloviki provide a service, guess who? But not only to the true bearer of power, but to the parsley supposedly popularly elected ...
    3. -23
      3 October 2019 07: 43
      1. Children should not learn from under the stick, but strictly consciously. And if the children are limp rags, then this is actually a problem of the people, the families who raised them and sent to school.
      2. Teachers also relaxed and do not want to work, especially for free to prepare for the exam that got everyone.
      3.
      Our country has become part of the Western world of the "golden calf" - a consumer society that leads to self-destruction and death of the entire planet and humanity.

      Is it really in the West with such a scientific school and achievements that feudalism is also the same with the beginnings of capitalism ?!
      1. +20
        3 October 2019 08: 21
        Quote: Civil
        Is it really in the West with such a scientific school and achievements that feudalism is also the same with the beginnings of capitalism ?!

        no, there more and more people are switching over to the Soviet system, and vocational colleges are being opened, but in our country they are being closed - "managers" are more important to us.
        1. +14
          3 October 2019 10: 19
          Quote: Dead Day
          no, there they are moving more and more to the Soviet system, and trade colleges are opening, and they are closing down with us

          They are optimizing diligently - "The result of the optimization was the reduction since 2001 of the number of kindergartens from 51 to 48 thousand, rural schools - from 46 to 24 thousand, urban - from 23 to 18 thousand units." Obviously, the goal is to fill the classes as much as possible by the number of students, which in turn leads to the fact that the teacher does not have the time and opportunity to pay attention to each student.
          1. -12
            3 October 2019 13: 14
            2001, the number of kindergartens from 51 to 48 thousand, rural schools - from 46 to 24 thousand, urban - from 23 to 18 thousand units "This statistics will not be complete - without statistics of the extinction of villages and villages since 2001 - the young have left the old people died, hospitals and schools there were empty and closed - they disappeared, such a tendency with the disappearance of villages and settlements from the 50s is - pure urbanization.
            1. +14
              3 October 2019 15: 26
              Quote: Vadim237
              2001, the number of kindergartens from 51 to 48 thousand, rural schools - from 46 to 24 thousand, urban - from 23 to 18 thousand units "This statistics will not be complete - without statistics of the extinction of villages and villages since 2001 - the young have left the old people died, hospitals and schools there were empty and closed - they disappeared, such a tendency with the disappearance of villages and settlements from the 50s is - pure urbanization.

              I agree with you that statistics without taking into account the extinction of small n / points are not complete, but it must be admitted that it was the liberals who gave a catastrophic acceleration to this process. Since the 90s, about 70 thousand villages, villages and settlements have disappeared from the map of Russia for the reason that the "young reformers" deprived the population of these n / points of the means of production (liquidation of collective and state farms) and, as a consequence, of the means of subsistence, after which struck a blow to cultural and social facilities through the liquidation of clubs, houses of culture, post office, paramedic points, kindergartens and schools. I think you agree that these processes led to the outflow of the population from the periphery and to the fact that the North, D.Vostok and Siberia became depopulated. The people moved to the place where they can earn money and somehow live, i.e. to the cities. So this is not pure urbanization, but forced. The fact that this policy is quite self-conscious is confirmed by the words of E. Nabiullina, who (not literally, but somehow) expressed herself that the maintenance of small towns and other n / points is "not profitable" and it is better to develop megacities. As for the deserted regions, economic activity on their territory can be carried out on a rotational basis. "If the sovereigns since the time of Catherine believed that chopping off heads in the vast Russian territory was too wasteful and exiled criminals to Siberia for an eternal settlement, this can be called the presence of a state thinking, but what Nabiullina said and what our liberal government is doing is state nonsense covered by the accounting department.
              1. -4
                3 October 2019 15: 59
                This process of extinction of the village began in the 50s and continued until the 90s, intensified in the 90s and continues to this day, everyone is moving to regional centers and large cities "70 thousand villages" - This is the USSR lost to the Great Patriotic War. For the 90s 9700 for the 2000s another 4000.
                1. +1
                  4 October 2019 10: 57
                  By speaking about certain "natural" tendencies, you thereby relieve the country's leaders from any responsibility for the results of their work.
                  Here in Moscow, not dying, the school director takes and removes a physical education teacher in a kindergarten. These are all links of one chain, there is a systematic reduction of everything and everything, i.e. the extinction of the entire economic organism of the state. And global trends have nothing to do with it, this is purely the result of the work of the bears ...
                  I wouldn’t even put him in as a foreman of the janitors.
              2. -4
                3 October 2019 16: 00
                The North, D. Vostok and Siberia were depopulated. - To be honest, they were not particularly populated before either.
                1. +11
                  3 October 2019 16: 30
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  The North, D. Vostok and Siberia were depopulated. - To be honest, they were not particularly populated before either.

                  Previously, about 15 million people lived in the northern regions, now about 5 million. Reduction by 2/3. For example, in the Komi Republic in 1991 lived about 1 million 300 thousand. Now 830 thousand. The territory is like two France, and the population is less than in the city of Perm. I don't think you need to explain what colossal natural resources are sealed in the northern bowels and what interest our "partners" show in this regard to the North, but instead of preserving the population of these regions, which would support the infrastructure of the North, our government is doing everything in order to expose the North. Our neighbor is also glancing sideways at the Far East.
                  1. -1
                    3 October 2019 19: 41
                    Quote: Nyrobsky
                    Previously, about 15 million people lived in the northern regions, now about 5 million. Reduction by 2/3. For example, in the Komi Republic in 1991, about 1 million 300 thousand lived, now 830 thousand
                    -only you forget that in the USSR there was a restriction on the place of residence for "inmates".
                    And the "eagle" who served 10 years - simply could not leave Komi stupidly, in general.

                    And the distribution after universities - when you want / do not want to go to Kominik absolutely did not wave anyone. Paper in the mouth and forth - where the Motherland will send ....
                    And "Komsomol vouchers" was also quite a way of keeping the population in a place not particularly popular for living .... Something I did not hear about such "Komsomol vouchers" in Sochi then - but on BAM or Yakutia- full of people unas left
                    1. +5
                      3 October 2019 23: 03
                      Quote: your1970
                      -only you forget that in the USSR there was a restriction on the place of residence for "inmates".
                      And the "eagle" who served 10 years - simply could not leave Komi stupidly, in general.

                      You are wrong. Perhaps the inmates of the 50s, who were defeated in their rights by sentence and remained in places of serving their sentences after their release, but at least in the USSR in the 70s and before its collapse in 1991, there was no such obligation. Moreover, the freed convict was obliged to indicate the address of departure, a ticket was purchased for him to the indicated place of residence where he was obliged to register and find a job, otherwise he could thunder on the bunk for a year for parasitism. But you are right that some of the freed prisoners, in view of the collapsed social and family ties, really remained for permanent residence in the same region where they were serving their sentences, in order to "start life from scratch," which they did voluntarily. Some really became quite respected people for themselves, had awards and rewards for their work, and some managed to quickly return to the custody of the Ministry of Internal Affairs-FSIN.
                      Quote: your1970
                      And the distribution after universities - when you want / do not want to go to Kominik absolutely did not wave anyone. Paper in the mouth and forth - where the Motherland will send ....
                      And "Komsomol vouchers" was also quite a way of keeping the population in a place not particularly popular for living .... Something I did not hear about such "Komsomol vouchers" in Sochi then - but on BAM or Yakutia- full of people unas left
                      What was, was, I can’t argue with that. But it was rather a plus than a minus, because the state thus restrained the internal migration of the population and thereby ensured the development of the regions. As soon as the state eliminated itself, these regions from developing developed into the category of depressed ones.
                      1. 0
                        4 October 2019 18: 30
                        Judging by their comments, it’s justifiable: the entire population has declined, they are inmates who were finally able to leave
                      2. -1
                        4 October 2019 18: 36
                        Quote: Revival
                        Judging by their comments, it’s justifiable: the entire population has declined, they are inmates who were finally able to leave
                        - No
                        1) "prisoners" of the USSR - just stupidly died by age. As well as pensioners of the USSR
                        2) RF "inmates" have not been transported to such a distance for a long time for financial reasons
                      3. 0
                        4 October 2019 18: 41
                        Yes, only earlier something new in "repression" and "totalitarianism" were born, and then suddenly, with progress, they ended
                      4. -1
                        4 October 2019 19: 40
                        Quote: your1970
                        Quote: Revival
                        Judging by their comments, it’s justifiable: the entire population has declined, they are inmates who were finally able to leave
                        - No
                        1) "prisoners" of the USSR - just stupidly died by age. As well as pensioners of the USSR
                        2) RF "inmates" have not been transported to such a distance for a long time for financial reasons

                        This is debatable. On the first point, in principle, I agree, there are few of them (the sitters of the era of the USSR) left, but those who stayed do not like the young criminal shoot, they live out of concept and try to solve everything by lawlessness. They do not honor, so to speak, old people of authority. At one time, when I worked pom. the driver from 1982 to 1984, and we fed wagons into the zone for loading timber, at the OER (special regime) I still saw those who had portraits of Lenin and Stalin on their chests. By the way, there was a very well-read and intelligent people, speech without a mat, and every word said was considered. There are few of them now, yes. As for the second point, you are partly right, but not quite. Despite the fact that it is advisable that the occupants were from local ones to save budget money, due to the low population of some regions and the presence on their territory of zones (correctional colonies) with a set limit of filling that exceeds the number of criminal contingent that the region can give, in principle, stages go around the country with prisoners natives of different places, as before, in order to fill the available zones up to the established limit, since its undersupply leads to the fact that a person reduction can be carried out ala colony, and even its closure. In short, there are citizens from all Russian neighborhoods there.
                  2. +3
                    3 October 2019 19: 55
                    And now so oil painting
                    in the north, no one will live in filthy conditions, no transport infrastructure, agriculture is impossible, permanent permafrost and a short summer .. If they continue to explore and extract oil and gas, the workers will go there on a shift and then return home
                2. +5
                  3 October 2019 17: 39
                  Here a friend said that there were fewer schools because there were fewer people. But does this comrade know that, for example, churches are being built at an accelerated pace, and now the number of schools and churches is almost the same? The question to comrade is why then churches and temples are being built intensively, because according to the theory of the comrade, the people have become smaller?
                  1. 0
                    3 October 2019 19: 10
                    The people as it was and remains - just now most of the population lives in cities because there is nothing to do in the villages And with your examples of building churches - go fuck.
                    1. +3
                      3 October 2019 22: 20
                      Quote: Vadim237
                      The people as it was and remains - just now most of the population lives in cities since there is nothing to do in the villages
                      You shouldn't be like that. The problem of population and territories really exists today, but there is no policy of consolidating the population, or attracting it to certain territories. So Russia will never be able to master and improve its territory, which will always excite the brain of our "sworn friends" and encourage them to think of cutting off part of the territories from Russia, especially those that have minerals. At one time, a certain American owl, Madeleine Albright, spoke about Siberia (not literally, but somehow) - "It is a great injustice that Siberia belongs to Russia, while it should be the property of all mankind."
                      Quote: Vadim237
                      And with your examples of building churches, go fuck.
                      If you lose endurance, that's bad. And yet, as an example, Stefan of Perm in 1380 went to Great Perm to baptize pagans (white-eyed) at the call of the heart (without salary, bonuses, daily allowances and travel allowances), simply because he fulfilled his mission and expanded the Russian state through the conversion of pagans to Orthodox faith. His flock was very conditional and did not bring him gifts to meet his vital needs, then they burned themselves and buried themselves in holes in protest, then they showered them with arrows. He settled in Ust-Vymi at the confluence of the Vymi and Vychegda rivers, rebuilt a temple, found a flock, developed an alphabet for her in the local dialect and, having been missionary for some time, rested in Bose, having entered history as a saint, and the state, represented by the newly converted Zyryans gained defenders of its northern borders from the raids of all busurmans. And now there is such a hat - in the system of the Federal Penitentiary Service of Russia, in almost every colony they have taken it as a fashion to build churches, and to invite local rulers to their lighting and opening, after which they (chiefs from the penitentiary system) have besides departmental from the church medals are formed. The flock you understand, in sins like in silks, for the most part with domes and crosses right on the body with ink stuffed, with repentance for an audience with the priest, who, due to their financial scarcity and the lack of "earthly goods" in the colonies does not live in settlements, and visits them on short visits, like a yasak collector in the old days. Well, after a while, at the level of the Federal Penitentiary Service, a decision is made to liquidate some colonies and transfer the contingent to other regions with a reduction in government and civilian personnel ... and the trunks went to the cities and villages, and the temple? ... The temple remained standing. It will take some time and the taiga will win back everything and only bears will scratch the withers on the corner of the temple. And he (the abandoned temple) is not alone in the country. Why did they build it? Where are the priests? There are none. Moved to see the Stefans of Perm, ready to endure hardships for their faith. Maybe it makes sense to oblige the FSIN system to roll out the log buildings of these churches on logs, and transfer them to residential settlements with the transfer to the balance of the church (as a gift, so to speak), so as not to be wasted, this blasphemy and sacrilege. Interesting ?! - and you say - "go for a vegetable."
                      1. 0
                        3 October 2019 23: 16
                        "It will excite the brain of our" sworn friends "and encourage them to think about chopping off part of the territories from Russia." To the Chinese - they already live in chocolate 94 people live in the South China Sea and are definitely not going to move from there. Americans - they all live in the warmth along the coast, if something happens to their territory, it will disperse around the world to warm countries like Australia, Fiji, Hawaii, and so on. Due to global warming, the permafrost in our northern territories will melt, turning everything into a continuous swamp, exposing viruses and infections - which are waiting in the wings in the permafrost, methane will begin to be released, which in large volumes will begin to accumulate in the underground chambers of the voids and then break out into the surface destroying everything that stands nearby - and God forbid that there would be a residential building or a village with power grids nearby, one spark in the process of ejecting such huge volumes of gas and an explosion like a low-power atomic bomb. Such emissions are already taking place in Yamal and not only
                      2. 0
                        4 October 2019 00: 13
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        "It will excite the brain of our" sworn friends "and push them to the idea of ​​chopping off part of the territories from Russia" - Who should we disturb - who has surrendered our impenetrable swampy Kamarino - a vile, semi-frozen tundra? ...

                        It is the Americans with foam at the mouth who assert their right to where they have no rights, namely to their presence in the Arctic and challenge the true and sovereign right of Russia to the Northern Sea Route.
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        Due to global warming, permafrost in our northern territories will melt, turning everything into a continuous swamp, exposing viruses and infections - which are waiting in the permafrost, methane will begin to accumulate, which in large volumes will begin to accumulate in underground void chambers and then break out onto destroying the surface of everything that is nearby - and God forbid that there would be a residential building or a village with electric networks nearby, one spark in the process of ejecting such huge volumes of gas and an explosion as an atomic bomb of low power. Such emissions are already occurring on the Yamal Peninsula and not only

                        Are you a specialist in forecasting apocalypse? In this case, I do not share your forecasts and concerns. Look at the tundra from space - solid lakes. What you cited as an example (another funnel) is nothing more than a routine natural process for the birth of another lake. If the forecast presented by you is realized, then Japan will disappear, and part of China, Europe and the USA will be flooded, and then it will certainly not be in the Arctic. As a matter of fact, everything in nature is cyclical. In Vorkuta, at a depth of several hundred meters, coal is mined, which, for a minute! woody! So Vorkuta was once geographically located in the tropics, but for some reason the planet Earth, having made somersault, shifted at the poles and Vorkuta became a zone of the Far North. Once in the ice age, the advancing glacier drove from the Arctic pastures herds of mammoths peacefully grazing, which reached the steppes of Kazakhstan. Everything will be once, but alas, we will not survive, and only Russia will remain in its place and within its borders. For sim hi
                      3. 0
                        4 October 2019 11: 57
                        The permafrost in the north begins to melt and this is a fact - and it will accompany all of the above and this is the same fact.
                      4. 0
                        5 October 2019 10: 48
                        And why will Japan disappear? A significant part of its territory is much higher than sea level.
                      5. +2
                        5 October 2019 11: 05
                        Quote: Sergej1972
                        And why will Japan disappear? A significant part of its territory is much higher than sea level.

                        This is not my statement, but the forecast of scientists. Somewhere there is a map on which the projection depicts the territory of states that will go under water in case of active melting of glaciers and permafrost. So, among others, Japan will also suffer significant territorial losses. I do not argue, Fuji will remain. hi
                      6. +2
                        5 October 2019 21: 21
                        So we can bear it too. Eastern Siberia can withstand the Far East, but there are questions about Western Siberia.)
                      7. -2
                        4 October 2019 18: 33
                        Yes, he does not care about the fate of the country.
                        They do not understand the effect of "depopulation" at all that if there is no population on the territory, then it will become, in the end, someone else's territory, and even "legally" (like a referendum suddenly on this territory).
                      8. +1
                        4 October 2019 18: 50
                        Quote: Revival
                        Yes, he does not care about the fate of the country.
                        They do not understand the effect of "depopulation" at all that if there is no population on the territory, then it will become, in the end, someone else's territory, and even "legally" (like a referendum suddenly on this territory).

                        I agree with you. The problem is that lately there are more and more people who are “happy for themselves”. They have more Siberia, less Siberia, absolutely for vegetables, the main thing is that the personal refrigerator is packed.
                      9. 0
                        4 October 2019 20: 34
                        I'm not talking about Siberia, but about the North of Russia.
                      10. +2
                        4 October 2019 20: 32
                        "He doesn't care about the fate of the country." Take and drive to the north, develop gas swamps and permafrost - only at your own expense. As a result, this will become a foreign territory - there are no applicants for it either in Canada, or in the USA, or in China anywhere at all. "Oh, and like a referendum suddenly on this territory" There is no one to hold it there except for mosses and Polar bears and other inhabitants of these open spaces - military bases will be enough to protect the natural resources located there, workers will come to watch for their extraction - to build cities there will not work for the reasons described above - alas, this is forever, too harsh conditions further they will worsen.
      2. +8
        3 October 2019 09: 05
        Quote: Civil
        Not from under the stick children should learn, but strictly consciously

        The kids are all different, for example, I studied from under the stick. In the certificate all three. Nevertheless, the level of knowledge is higher than that of a wife who graduated from high school 16 years later, with only a couple of fours in the certificate. The rest 5. And I often pin her up with this. laughing
        1. +13
          3 October 2019 10: 09
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          For example, I studied from under the stick. In the certificate all three.

          We had a school with a labor bias. Most of the classmates have a criminal record. Many are no longer there - killed or drank themselves. So, in such a "wonderful" school, I was also a C grade student. But he pulled himself together - he entered the institute. And there was already a completely different atmosphere, different people. And by the way, earlier, neither the phenomenon, but the concept of "bribe" in the institutes was not, as well as paid education.
          1. +2
            3 October 2019 10: 11
            Quote: Stas157
            But he pulled himself together - he entered the institute.

            And at the age of 16 I was "stuck" at the VAZ.
          2. -1
            3 October 2019 19: 44
            Quote: Stas157
            And by the way before, not just phenomena, but concepts there was no "bribe" at the institutes
            -yes-yes-yes !! and a joke about
            "is not a ram - this is a gift
            and the ram is studying at the institute !! "© folk
            also in the year 2015, they probably came up with .... or not?
            So I heard him in 1978 .....
            fool fool
        2. +2
          3 October 2019 11: 08
          Often, the assessments do not correspond to real knowledge and skills. Because both the Soviet system and the noneshny one (brought to the point of absurdity) are set up to pass exams for the educated. It is not at all on the training of this initial professional skills and tuning his brain "in line with the chosen specialty." As in the school, the task of which, IMHO, is to teach to learn ...
      3. 0
        3 October 2019 11: 04
        Is it really in the West with such a scientific school and achievements that feudalism is also the same with the beginnings of capitalism ?!

        As long as you are interested in this question, search the Internet for the movie "The Ivory Tower", EMNIP. There is also a Russian translation, where they themselves talk about their education.
      4. 0
        4 October 2019 03: 54
        Quote: Civil
        Not from under the stick children should learn, but strictly consciously.


        How did your parents make you study? AND DO NOT THINK TO SAY THAT THE ORPHANE IS MILITARY !!!

        This is for once!

        And two.

        Do you have children?
    4. +14
      3 October 2019 09: 18
      Quote: Van 16
      Everything is correct in the article. And in general, breaking is not building, everything that our "reformers" undertake immediately begins to sink.

      But what to do with the main reformer?
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    5. +2
      3 October 2019 10: 06
      Everything is correct in the article.

      Nothing of the kind, the author threw stamps, he does not understand how the Western system and education work.
      The main mistake of the "reformers" of the Russian Federation is that, adopting Western models, they managed (or deliberately) to worsen and simplify, it is necessary either to leave the old or to adopt normally. For example, in Britain, in humanitarian subjects, solid written work. To be able to express an idea and write down on a given topic, the main thing is what they teach, and in the Russian Federation, in literature and native speech, there are mainly tests.How can the Russian language be evaluated with plus signs in tests? That's it, that's it.
      In state schools, the author is a perfect layman. They come from everywhere and they carry out some training, standardization and screening, unsuitable for society. It pays attention to the education of a law-abiding person who does not comply with the system of rules, he is cut off career growth. They also raise an individualist, a consumer.
      I advise the author to abandon mossy cliches and myths and, for example, see migrant bloggers about foreign schools.
    6. +4
      3 October 2019 11: 01
      Let me disagree wink You just assume, as, apparently, many others, that the reforms "in our country" are carried out precisely with the declared goal, so to speak, with the de jure goal. In fact, everything is somewhat wrong, IMHO, of course. The reforms are carried out with the aim of giving the "right people" to earn money and "reducing the burden on the budget." There are other goals, but these are the main ones. These goals are being perfectly realized. Take a look at the difference in the salary of a school principal and a teacher, or there the head of the clinic and, in fact, the attending physician.
      With all of these programs and textbooks / manuals, people have made tons of money. And the quality of education - who cares? If we already use pilots-migrant workers, since they have erased their production, what school are we talking about?
      1. +5
        3 October 2019 12: 04
        with the filing of such crazy, our women will work forever !!! (demonic laughter).
        Russian TV presenter Yelena Malysheva, working on Channel One, urged to think about raising the retirement age for women. She stated this after a round table in Moscow.

        “Today, when a woman retires at 55, it is clear that she will live without working for another 30-40 years. And something needs to be done with this, ”explained Malyshev’s idea, saying that life expectancy in Russia is growing rapidly. - From my point of view, two things need to be done today. First: immediately extend the retirement age to 67, as it is done in all civilized countries. ”
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      2. -1
        3 October 2019 19: 52
        Quote: frog
        Reforms are carried out with the aim of giving the "right people" to earn
        -hah ... only here is troubles - to "earn" you need cancel the exam, generally....
        And then - when all it will be necessary to take exams - traffic cops will die of envy, oil workers will sell towers - so that a teacher gets a job at a secondary school in Uryupinsk, deputies will fight - for the sake of the place of an English teacher in school number 5 in Kurdykino village ..
        For even now teachers occasionally manage to take bribes for about exam activities. And when everyone passes ..... and all parents will pay, otherwise there will be no school ....
        So the reforms are for sure not for
        Quote: frog
        give the "right people" money
        1. 0
          3 October 2019 20: 05
          Let's just say that the Unified State Exam, EMNIP, was not introduced in 1992. Something I then do not remember queues for the teacher. And, again, the principle of objectivity in assessing knowledge itself is not bad. But the implementation ..... And about "earn", I'm afraid you did not quite understand)) It was about a great variety of textbook writers and programmers, as well as all kinds of obscene letter combinations from pedagogy. Well, there are comrades here who are much more familiar with this, you can ask them.
          And about the awful bribery of education - sorry, but I had something to do with it and have ... You dreamed about it, believe me. Since getting into a university is not the most difficult thing))) This is under the new system, where the budget of the university depends on the "livestock", in the vast majority of companies you can play football with a bolt from education. Previously, somehow it did not work out, half a group was expelled lightly ...
          1. 0
            3 October 2019 20: 13
            Quote: frog
            Let's just say that the Unified State Exam, EMNIP, were introduced not at all in 1992. Something I then do not recall bursts at the teacher.
            - they took bribes and decent ones at the beginning of the 90s - only on the way !!!! The nanny finished at 93 - 300 dollars exam for "5" at a school in the glorious city of Saratov. Otherwise, a solid "3 +" ...
            1. 0
              3 October 2019 20: 39
              A considerable number of acquaintances and their children finished around the same years .... The percentage of bribery did not differ from the usual one. I will not say that he was not, but ..... like everywhere else.
              1. 0
                3 October 2019 21: 04
                Quote: frog
                The percentage of bribery did not differ from the usual one. I will not say that he was not, but ..... like everywhere else.
                -just then it was still Soviet people ... and now it will be a generation that grew up on the idea of ​​BABLA ...
                guess at one time, will they take loot en masse in such situations (cancellation of the USE) or not?
                1. 0
                  3 October 2019 21: 14
                  How can I tell you .... Since entrance exams to universities will appear automatically - they go through the forest, these people)))) No one will be interested in them. In addition, for a long time, the ways of .... mmm ..... bribery in schools have been worked out. if you didn’t know, no one "on the paw" takes, systematically. Everything is much simpler.
                  1. 0
                    3 October 2019 23: 54
                    Quote: frog
                    Since entrance exams to universities will appear automatically - they go through the woods, these people)))) They will not be interesting to anyone. In addition, methods have long been
                    - But will they admit all the doubles to those exams at the university (which will be automatic) or will they still get the average mark for the certificate?
                    And yes, university exams will be more expensive lol
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                      1. +1
                        4 October 2019 12: 01
                        "When, in an absolutely miraculous way, universities graduate from patented d ... s. Not at all major, the most trivial b ... o." You don't write about everyone, you don't know how everyone learns - there are smart people, there are also fools, and this will always be.
                      2. +1
                        4 October 2019 12: 59
                        And I'm not talking about everyone, I'm talking about the statistical majority. If touched - call. But, unfortunately, this is exactly the situation. Yes, a friend of a senior, not having completed a magistracy, had already received an offer to go to the gnomes and do science there.
                        But on one Korolev or Alekseev there were hundreds and thousands of just engineers (or other specialists) not geniuses, but honestly doing their job. And now there are none, from the word at all. And if there is, then ..... The engineer turns out after 10 years. If you have anyone and what to learn. But now, alas, this is not. Because I know how it all happens in practice.
                        As I have already said, not all of the nonesh "young specialists" are boobies, sorry. But, unfortunately, the majority. And we would have been like that, but the system made you scratch. And now completely different layouts ...
        2. 0
          9 October 2019 06: 17
          You write as if the exam can not be bought right now. The exam is even bought, there are whole regions that specialize in this.
    7. -4
      3 October 2019 19: 26
      Quote: Van 16
      Everything is correct in the article. And in general, breaking is not building, everything that our "reformers" undertake immediately begins to sink.

      Is that all right? Can I clarify a couple of questions then?
      1) “The Soviet school was the best in the world” (I don’t dispute, I’m specifying) on ​​what basis does the author make such statements? Gagarin studied in a Soviet school or Gaidaro-Chubais? Or on what basis? Personal opinion?
      2) "The fundamental reason for the destruction of the Russian school is the domination of a liberal, pro-Western ideology in Russia ..." Again, if everything was perfect in it, where did the Gaidar-Chubais come from and crawl into the elite? Or did Putin teleport them into the past with ideas from the future of an already destroyed education?
      3) "There is no order in the school, there is no normal learning process. The result is a total moronization and degradation of schoolchildren, and then society." - The author could give examples of the "normal order" and compare with what is now, but why ... you can just blurt out without proof ...
      4) "Due to the growth of violence in society, schools are already reminiscent of prisons." And here we add a quote from point 3 "There is no order in the school, there is no normal learning process. The result is a total moronization and degradation of schoolchildren, and then society." .. The author, in principle, does not understand what affects what and how ...
      5) "total" liberalization. Literally totalitarian methods of protecting the rights of the child have been created. " Or do you think that the teacher should have more power? Or what exactly do you want? Oh yes, quotes ... "Due to the growth of violence in society, schools are already reminiscent of prisons." (Again, the author loses himself here.)
      6) "An excellent film on this topic -" The Director "with D. Belushi in the title role (1987), where the hero is fighting a youth gang. Or" Only the Strongest "(1993) with M. Dacascos in the title role. "And what conscientious films the Author did not deign to watch? and sincerely believes that everything was fine in Soviet schools? I highly recommend Big Change for a comedy - the problems of the Soviet school slip through, but you need to be able to understand and see them.

      Brief total .. "anyhow .............."
    8. +5
      4 October 2019 00: 23
      Quote: Van 16
      Everything is correct in the article. And in general, breaking is not building, everything that our "reformers" undertake immediately begins to sink.


      It is necessary to give Putin and his team time - he was elected in 2018. He got a lot of problems from the former president, he cannot be expected to fix everything in a couple of years.
      1. -1
        13 October 2019 01: 57
        Quote: d.olegov44
        It is necessary to give Putin and his team time - he was elected in 2018.

        So hello. Yak children. Got out. Putin's APPOINTED in 2000, no longer have illusions about elections and re-elections.
    9. +1
      4 October 2019 22: 56
      Quote: Van 16
      Everything is correct in the article. And in general, breaking is not building, everything that our "reformers" undertake immediately begins to sink.

      a feeling that it’s worse now than during the time of Hitler’s Mr.
  2. +28
    3 October 2019 05: 59
    The fundamental reason for the destruction of the Russian school is the dominance of a liberal, pro-Western ideology in Russia.

    And the conductor of this ideology is the class in power. You can change the content of the Ministry of Education as much as you like, talk about the absence of ideological dogmas in modern Russia - children will continue to be made into a "literate consumer," as one of the destroyers of our school inadvertently put it. These are for the most part the current ruling class and need - dumb visitors to social networks. It doesn’t matter that the kids sometimes rage with fat - they go out to chase sables with bulk or shoot at school - in general, for the ideologists of this collapse, everything is going well ...
    1. +15
      3 October 2019 06: 16
      We were not only taught at school, but also brought up .... And this upbringing has survived until now ....
      And who remembers that today is the birthday of Sergei Yesenin?
      Niva is compressed, groves are naked,
      Water is mist and damp.
      Wheel over the mountain blue
      The quiet sun rolled down.

      Dormant exploded road.
      Today she is dreaming,
      Which is very, very little
      Waiting for winter gray.

      Ah, and I myself am more likely to call
      I saw yesterday in a fog:
      Red-haired month foal
      Harnessed into our sleigh.
      1. +14
        3 October 2019 06: 49
        Quote from Uncle Lee
        And who remembers that today is the birthday of Sergei Yesenin?


        The village in the potholes sank,
        They hid the huts of the forest.
        Only visible on bumps and troughs,
        How the skies turn blue around.

        Howl at dusk long, winter
        Terrible wolves from skinny fields.
        In the yards in the burning hoarfrost
        Above the catches snoring horses.

        Like owl eyes behind branches
        The blizzards look at the shawls.
        And stand behind the oak nets
        Like forest scum, hemp.

        Unclean power frightened us,
        Whatever the hole is, sorcerers are everywhere.
        Into the evil frost at dusk hazy
        Galaxies hang on birches.
        1. +11
          3 October 2019 06: 52
          Damn you, bad guest!
          Our song will not get along with you.
          It is a pity that in childhood you did not have to
          Drown like a bucket in a well.
          It’s good for them to stand and watch,
          To paint mouths in tin kisses, -
          Only me, as a psalmist, sing
          Hallelujah is above the native country.
          That is why in September September
          On dry and cold loam,
          Head smashed about the fence,
          She poured blood on the berries of mountain ash.
          That’s why Tujil has grown
          In busting talianka voiced.
          And the straw smelling man
          Choked dashing moonshine.



          Source: http://esenin-lit.ru/esenin/text/sorokoust.htm
          1. +9
            3 October 2019 07: 03
            Quote from Uncle Lee
            Damn you, bad guest!

            Do not swear! Such a thing!
            I am not a merchant in words.
            Threw herself up and heavy
            Golden is my head.
            There is no love for either the village or the city,
            How could I convey it?
            I'll drop everything. Letting go my beard
            And I will go a tramp in Russia. winked
            1. +11
              3 October 2019 07: 21
              That's where the world chains are to you,
              This is where the world swindler is.
              If you want to burst out your soul here,
              That will be considered: either stupid, or drunk.
              Here it is - the world exchange,
              Here they are - scoundrels of all countries.

              These people are rotten fish,
              All America is a greedy mouth.
              But Russia is a lump!
              If only - Soviet power!
              1. 0
                3 October 2019 07: 46
                Quote from Uncle Lee
                But Russia is a lump!
                If only - Soviet power!

                yes ... otherwise: "... read poetry to prostitutes, and fry alcohol with vagrants ..." ... hi
      2. +7
        3 October 2019 06: 53
        Quote from Uncle Lee
        And who remembers that today is the birthday of Sergei Yesenin?

        I had a friend at school, he can’t remember in the first or second grade, he wrote poetry about Yesenin ..
        I will not voice them, they are childishly naive .. but what it is .. he wrote them, not because such an assignment was .. but under the impression from the poem he heard. Now it’s hard to imagine such a thing.
        Yesenin really love ..
        1. +14
          3 October 2019 06: 59
          Well .... Flashed by the Soviet academic education! hi
    2. +11
      3 October 2019 06: 48
      Quote: Moore
      And the conductor of this ideology is the class in power. You can change the content of the Ministry of Education as much as you like, talk about the absence of ideological dogmas in modern Russia - children will continue to be made into a "literate consumer"

      Yes, you are right, you should not expect anything good with this ideology. The "reformers" can only be appeased by changing the government and ideology .. And then it is imperative to deal with the "achievements" of each of the "reformers"
    3. +14
      3 October 2019 07: 11
      Quote: Moore
      The fundamental reason for the destruction of the Russian school is the dominance of a liberal, pro-Western ideology in Russia.

      I want to add, the Soviet school taught to think, and to think as adherents of the modern school think is harmful. The head may get sick, or start thinking in the wrong direction.
  3. +11
    3 October 2019 06: 06
    It’s not so difficult to take Soviet methods and return to those programs and textbooks! and where to get those teachers? I already wrote on VO that my senior colleagues had an unwritten code of honor! And now the generation of the YOGO came to work at the school! And how to refuse it? After all, how much money is invested in the exam! How many textbooks and manuals have been written, how many academic titles have been received! WHO will go on to cross out all this at once? Sad
    1. +33
      3 October 2019 06: 58
      Quote serg.shishkov2015: "and where to get those teachers?"
      Dear Sergey Borisovich! As a person who has worked at the school for three decades, I can assure you: there are teachers trained in the Soviet system. I will say more: it is on them that the modern school is based. The young generation of teachers in the current conditions does not stand up for a long time: huge loads and constant stresses are not compensated for by anything, and a beggarly salary completely discourages the teaching of even the most persistent optimists. Go to the website of any school, and you will see that most of the teaching staff is made up of elderly teachers brought up and trained in the USSR. While they work, the school will hold on. But, unfortunately, nothing lasts forever: as soon as my generation of teachers leaves, there will be no one to replace him. And then a holiday will come at the destroyers. By the way, this time is just around the corner: on the strength of the years 10-12. Emergency measures will not help in the upcoming disaster. Even if they raise their salaries at times, young teachers will not go to school en masse, for one simple reason: social insecurity. Until the teacher again becomes an authority in society, nothing in education will change. But this is precisely what grief reformers are trying to prevent by all means. So I agree with the respected author of the article: without a change in the social system, there will be no change for the better.
      1. +13
        3 October 2019 07: 31
        Greetings, colleague! I gave 14 years to school - geography, life safety, nature studies, agricultural labor, 12 years as I quit, tired of butting with the system, But this profession has remained central to my life
        1. +9
          3 October 2019 07: 36
          Sergey Borisovich, I am also a geographer. Happy Teacher's Day. Health, prosperity, prosperity and success in all endeavors to you and all your relatives.
          1. +6
            3 October 2019 07: 57
            Thank! All members of the forum involved in the teaching profession, with OUR holiday!
            1. +6
              3 October 2019 08: 01
              I fully join! All teachers - a happy holiday! Health, endurance, patience and love for students - no matter what.
          2. +4
            3 October 2019 08: 36
            I congratulate you on the coming Teacher's Day! My wife, a teacher of the highest category, the Russian language and literature, also left school this summer. I'm tired without clearance. the truth is not quite out of the profession. went to school 8 species. work less, pay more. says that it’s better to sit in a stall selling bread than to return to a secondary school.
          3. +1
            3 October 2019 09: 07
            Quote: serg.shishkov2015
            I gave school 14 years - geography,

            Quote: Vadim T.
            I am also a geographer

            The only favorite subject at school in recent years! drinks The teacher's name was Sofya Viktorovna. The best teacher, although strict.
            1. +6
              3 October 2019 11: 17
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              The teacher’s name was


              I remember my favorite teachers and now. I revered the first teacher for my second mother. It’s a pity that they are no longer there.
          4. 0
            3 October 2019 11: 07
            Quote: Vadim T.
            Sergey Borisovich, I am also a geographer

            I am also in the diploma. Graduate of the Geological Faculty of Geography.
            Quote: Vadim T.
            Health, prosperity, prosperity and success in all endeavors to you and all your relatives

            support
            1. 0
              4 October 2019 05: 55
              I graduated from the biology and chemistry, the geographer was the fact that there was no other work, it’s normal, from the biology faculty a lot of things were useful in geography! and especially in natural science!
      2. -3
        3 October 2019 09: 27
        Change for the better in education can only be ensured. The first thing to do is to start taking care of the teacher, if only because they are now taking care of the military. The second issue in the right amount
        Soviet textbooks. By a special decree from the beginning of the school year, when there will be a sufficient supply of textbooks and visual aids to issue a decree on the return to the previous teaching method, for young teachers to organize special courses in which they could familiarize themselves with this method, now there are still teachers who are not familiar with this method by hearsay.
        1. +12
          3 October 2019 10: 32
          The fact of the matter is that under the current government this will never happen! And the point is not even in the government, but in the state system. In the USSR, education was the best precisely because competent and qualified personnel were needed for the country, and the modern government does not need such personnel at all! They need stupid consumers of consumer goods and fast food. A competent person asks a lot of uncomfortable questions; you just can't fool him. Although ... in the USSR, almost all were literate, but go and you bought beautiful candy wrappers and jeans ...
          1. 0
            5 October 2019 00: 36
            There was a multi-doorway ... so the people didn’t sniff. Yes, and there was more faith in leaders, now just the whole Camarilla loot stupidly earns and everything else is purple to them. Medvedev openly said when answering a teacher’s question about the small salaries of teachers that a person’s problems are his personal problems, not the state’s, that is, he repeated the words of officials that the state should not owe anything to a citizen ....
    2. +8
      3 October 2019 07: 22
      teacher, this is sacred, this is the foundation of the state.
      1. +8
        3 October 2019 08: 43
        Quote: Strashila
        teacher, this is sacred, this is the foundation of the state.

        These are by "notions", but in reality, powerless, low-paid, defenseless people in front of "childish" terror.
      2. +10
        3 October 2019 11: 20
        Quote: Strashila
        teacher, this is sacred, this is the foundation of the state.


        Judging by the salary and attitude, the fucking foundation. Bismarck once said, "the teachers won the war." So then Bismarck, and then
        Medvedev
        1. +3
          3 October 2019 11: 32
          in Russia, the tendency of still the 90s of the last century continues, "ah, the western is the best, because the western", well, or the classic of the millennia "There is a prophet in his fatherland."
    3. +2
      3 October 2019 13: 19
      "Soviet methods" - They will never return - the society is digital and with self-education it is now much easier, although there is more information, and significantly.
  4. +8
    3 October 2019 06: 16
    To stop this process, it is necessary to return to the original path of development of Russian civilization. With the rule of ethics of conscience and social justice.

    No need to reinvent the wheel, you need to return to the classic Russian (Soviet) school. Take Soviet methods, programs and textbooks, adapt them to the present. The Soviet school was the best in the world. Use this foundation to create a society of creators and creators, and not slaves of the "digital concentration camp", as it is now.
    A ridiculous joke in the current realities when liberal globalists = cosmopolitans rule the country. It is especially funny, with the dominance of the ethics of conscience and social justice, - in a country where there is an unspoken ideology of profit.
    The author, the cart in front of the horse is not harnessed, first you need to return the socialist system and then, don’t need to reinvent the wheel,
  5. +9
    3 October 2019 06: 21
    There are two problems at school:
    1) The Federal Standard (FGOS) requires "skill", and the Unified State Exam - "knowledge". "Educational schizophrenia".
    2) The legally dissolved student is ABSOLUTELY not restrained by anything.

    All other problems are not so significant.
    1. +5
      3 October 2019 06: 34
      The exam is a priori nonsense! How can you get Russian into the test? "Rabinovich is not, Rabinovich is not homosexual, I am sorry" is a classic example. It's the same with literature, history, even chemistry. Reacts aluminum with atmospheric oxygen at normal? Yes and no - both are wrong! And in general, if your task is to educate an intelligent scientist, or an engineer, and not a locksmith, then the main thing that needs to be taught - from the options "left" and "right" - choose "up"! And tests kill it in the bud.
      1. +9
        3 October 2019 06: 40
        Quote: Uhu
        USE a priori nonsense! How can I put Russian into the test?

        In the Russian language, a really very perverse form of the exam. Some questions with the text, conventions ... Otherwise, the exam provides the opportunity to test a large array of knowledge.
        1. +2
          3 October 2019 10: 59
          This year, the son of the Unified State Exam took a chance - the exam itself is very poorly correlated with the school curriculum, without additional classes it’s unrealistic to pass
      2. -1
        3 October 2019 10: 21
        Primitive tests have long been removed from the exam.
      3. -3
        3 October 2019 13: 21
        The test part is no more - as well as guessing.
        1. +5
          3 October 2019 16: 36
          Quote: Vadim237
          The test part is no more - as well as guessing.

          Do not scare the history teacher. laughing On-site test tasks of the demo on history from 1 to 19 on the FIPI website. Maybe just a little confused wording.
          1. -1
            5 October 2019 11: 05
            These are not the primitive guessing tests that were in the former, canceled, first part of the exam in history. And so, the tasks are really interesting.
  6. +7
    3 October 2019 06: 22
    our power is separate from education and the real economy but closer to the church
  7. +9
    3 October 2019 06: 42
    "The fundamental reason for the destruction of the Russian school is the dominance of the liberal, pro-Western ideology in Russia.", But this is not the main one. If earlier in school they tried to raise the level of lagging behind to the level of leaders, now leaders are dropping to the level of lagging behind, because after all, why should they offend them and force them to study. Now the school is adjusting to the level of knowledge of new Russian arrivals from Central Asia. Now in most secondary schools this is the standard.
  8. +4
    3 October 2019 06: 50
    Finally, we touched on the most important topic. Before looking at modern education, we need to take a step back. In the 90s, dozens of universities with a humanitarian bias were opened in each city. And we will reap the fruits of this "experience" for a long time to come.
    1. +5
      3 October 2019 07: 51
      Quote: nikvic46
      In the 90s, dozens of universities with a humanitarian bias were opened in every city. And we will reap the fruits of this "experience" for a long time to come.

      Yeah, exactly. Then there was a saying - "no brains - go to ped". Today a real school is run by students from the 90s. Quality, for the most part, "about nothing". With those who are interested, I would like to share my fresh experience of graduating from the secondary school in 2019. No matter how we break our spears about the education system in Russia at HE, we will not change anything in this system, and we need to think about how our children can survive in this system. That is, how to finish school and get the USE score that would allow building a further perspective on getting higher education. My child went to the humanitarian direction, so what I will be about him. This year, the score that allows you to enter the budget in the universities of the European part of Russia has seriously jumped. The experience of entering a university for a specialty that takes into account knowledge of history and social studies suggests that even with excellent performance in these subjects within the school curriculum, knowledge is categorically not enough to obtain an estimate of 85-98 points. Throughout the last school year, we had to study these two subjects for 2-3 hours 6 days a week (in total) in order to eventually get 90-98 points. Classes for the additional training course were held in a group format via the Internet. It took approx. 5 rubles. Conclusion: there is no chance to enter a university on the basis of the secondary school program in these subjects. (I am writing exclusively for those who need it in life. If there are no children of the appropriate age, or you are just a theorist, you can not strain wink )
      1. +2
        3 October 2019 09: 38
        Quote: Den717
        With those who are interested, I would like to share the latest experience in graduating from the United States in 2019.

        If you are interested, I can share my impressions of the parent of the secondary school graduate in 2019.
        Quote: Den717
        excellent performance in these subjects as part of the school curriculum, the knowledge to obtain an assessment of 85-98 points is categorically not enough.

        In principle, it is true, but there are reservations. In our school, additional classes were organized in specialized subjects + electives on Saturdays (approximately $ 20 per month for everything). The last half of the year there are constant practice tests (on Sundays). In total, 7 days a week full employment, and taking into account homework, the load is not weak even for an adult. There was no longer enough time for tutors (and money). As a result, getting within the limits of 80-90 for final testing and guaranteed admission to any university in the country. To gain points higher only with knowledge in the region of the 1st course (it is already necessary to "raise" integrals, derivatives, difura, etc.). But even so, what they were going through, I did not even hear at school.
        And yes (I almost forgot), the secondary schools finished and entered the university in Belarus.
      2. +2
        3 October 2019 10: 23
        This proverb, unfortunately, was known in the 70-80s.
        1. +2
          3 October 2019 11: 21
          Quote: Sergej1972
          This proverb, unfortunately, was known in the 70-80s.

          I agree with you, to my great regret. The teacher was always offended by the state and the salary, and the legal status. Therefore, a specific contingent went into this profession - either selfless, like Matrosov, or those who cannot claim anything else (for various reasons, including mental ones, may the first forgive me). But money, of course, is a complicated thing, it happens that there is none, but you have to hold on somehow. But the legal status of the school and, in particular, the teacher is a thing for which we pay, but we do not get an effect. I mean the legislative mission of our Duma and the application of these laws by the Government. Given that the experience of positive before .... in short, a lot, and close. Discipline in school must be imposed, as it is necessary to impose parental responsibility for the behavior of their minor children. And if they are worthy of coercive measures, then these measures must be applied boldly and decisively. Who does not remember the case in Germany, when the parent of the student was actually locked in a cell for missing several lessons? Isn't it an example? And there is no need to suffer from "love of children". If a child is just beginning to lead asocial, it is necessary to immediately return him to the legal field by all means. This poor Glatskikh was pecked and stigmatized, but what did she say wrong? Someone came to the family, asked - "be fruitful and multiply"? We ourselves are happy to do this. It's time to understand that after this pleasure we ourselves take responsibility for everything that happens after this pleasure, for at least the next 18 years. They were able to conceive, they must be able to answer. And until dad and mom are put in different cells for a prankster, nothing will change at school. You can invent a thousand advanced methods for teaching children, but if a teacher brings a couple of juvenile "imbeciles" to order for half a lesson, there will be no sense for the whole class. This problem is not the only one, but it is also significant, but almost free.
          1. +1
            3 October 2019 11: 28
            I agree completely.
  9. +9
    3 October 2019 06: 52
    The conclusions of the NATO Analytical Note on Education in the USSR (1959) contain the following thoughts:
    “States that are independently competing with the USSR are wasting their strength and resources in attempts that are doomed to failure. If it is impossible to constantly invent methods that are superior to the methods of the USSR, it’s worth seriously thinking about borrowing and adapting Soviet methods. ”

    I read somewhere recently that Great Britain switched to the Soviet school system. Well, maybe not all schools, but nonetheless.
    What to do

    All ministers, headed by the guarantor and others who have ruled the country since 1991, should be brought to justice under the article "Mass genocide of their people." And then shoot.
    1. -4
      3 October 2019 07: 01
      Yeah, songs about Lenin are sung and used textbooks in Russian. Do not believe everything that is written.
      1. +3
        3 October 2019 08: 17
        Yeah, songs about Lenin are sung and used textbooks in Russian. Do not believe everything that is written.

        Here is a special one for you:
        Ms. Justina Greening, head of the UK Department of Education, said during an interview on the BBC that the process of transferring British high schools to the education system of the Soviet Union has been completed.
        D. Greening is a British politician from the Conservative Party, since 2012 - the Secretary of International Development of Great Britain in the first and second offices of David Cameron, the Minister of Education and the Minister for Women and Equal Opportunities in the first and second offices of Theresa May.
        (Justin Greening resigned in early 2018)
        Justin Greening:
        In England, the Soviet experience of teaching in secondary schools began to be adopted in the 80 of the last century. The process began after the fall of the Iron Curtain, which allowed the British to see and appreciate the indisputable advantage of the educational system used in the USSR in comparison with the one adopted in Western European countries.
        During her speech, the Minister particularly emphasized that in England children are now studying according to the brilliant Soviet textbooks of Rosenthal, Landau and Kolmogorov.
        The textbooks were translated into English extremely scrupulously, in compliance with the most important requirement - to completely preserve their content, avoiding any distortion.
        As a result of the transition to the Soviet system of education, the level of knowledge acquired by British students turned out to be much higher in comparison with the indicators demonstrated by graduates of the most prestigious and expensive elite schools in continental Europe.
        This situation ultimately led to the fact that the most influential people from around the world, in particular presidents and heads of government of other countries, are striving to place their children in Eaton schools, which have been teaching in the Soviet system since 1995.
        “The Ministry of Education does not plan to stop at this stage. After we completely transferred the secondary school to the USSR education system, it was time to move on to similar changes in higher education. The Ministry is already working on a project to change the current system of awarding scientific degrees. In the UK, there will be such a title as a Ph.D.
        Previously, this was characteristic only of the Soviet Union, and in the near future, scientists with this title will also be in England.
        We studied this issue for a long time and came to the conclusion that the presence of two degrees - “candidate” and “doctor” - is much more rational in comparison with one degree PhD ”- explains the situation in British education, Ms. Greenning.
        During her speech, the minister also expressed gratitude to her Russian colleagues who are engaged in the transfer of Russian education to Western standards. “In a situation where the West takes all the best that is in the East, and vice versa, stability and security will necessarily come in the world,” Greenning noted.
        Original
        "UK completed the transition to the Soviet school system"
        1. +4
          3 October 2019 09: 15
          This perfectly illustrates how you eat what English calls shit.
          Interestingly, they learn from the translated textbook

          Intravital
          Mamonov V.A., Rozental D.E. Practical stylistics of the modern Russian language. - M., 1957.
          Bylinsky K. I., Rosenthal D. E. Literary editing. - M., 1957; 2nd ed. - M., 1961.
          Rosenthal D. E. Practical stylistics of the Russian language. - M., 1965.
          Rosenthal D. «.“ Coordination within the meaning ”of the predicate with the subject. - M., 1960.
          Difficult punctuation cases. - M., 1959 (co-authored).
          Questions of Russian spelling. A practical guide. - M., 1962.
          Rosenthal D.E. Handbook of spelling and literary editing. For print workers. - M .: Book, 1967.
          Spelling and punctuation. Rules and exercises. Tutorial. - M., 1970 (co-authored).
          Editing: Buchchina B.Z., Kalakutskaya L.P., Cheltsova L.K. Experience in the dictionary-reference: Together and separately. - M., 1972.
          Rosenthal D.E. Faithful friend of the teacher-writer // Russian language at school. - 1975. - No. 3. - S. 90.
          Rosenthal D. E. Practical stylistics of the Russian language: Textbook for universities. - Ed. 4th, rev. - M .: Higher school., 1977 .-- 316 p.
          Rosenthal D. E. Management in the Russian language: Dictionary. For print workers. - M .: Book, 1981. - 207 p.
          Rosenthal D. E. Punctuation Reference: For print workers. - M .: Book, 1984. - 272 p.
          Rosenthal D. E. Uppercase or lowercase? The experience of the reference dictionary / Ed. ed. L.K. Cheltsova. - M .: Rus. lang., 1984. - 328 p.
          Rozental D.E., Telenkova M. A. Dictionary of difficulties of the Russian language: Ok. 30 words. - 000rd ed., Ext. - M .: Rus. lang., 3. - 1984 p.
          Rosenthal D. E. Collection of exercises in the Russian language for preparatory departments of universities: Textbook. manual for trainees. Dep. universities. - 2nd ed., Stereotype. - M .: Higher school., 1989 .-- 224 p. ISBN 5-06-000198-9
          Rosenthal D. E. Russian: A manual for applicants to universities. - 5th ed. - M.: Publishing House of Moscow State University, 1994 .-- 368 p. ISBN 5-211-03331-0
          Rozental D.E., Golub I.B., Telenkova M.A. Modern Russian language: Textbook. - 2nd ed. - M.: Intern. Relations, 1994. - 560 p. ISBN 5-7133-0787-5

          This is called distribute and not reflect.

          Probably this is the same "Soviet experience"

          First-graders in Britain, who cross the threshold of school for the first time, are immediately bombarded with dangerous information about "gender diversity" and opportunities for gender reassignment. Susan Matthews, Emeritus Senior Researcher at Rowhampton University of London, writes about this in the book "The Invention of Transgender Children and Adolescents." The Telegraph notes that people like Ms Matthews are in the minority in Britain. It is not accepted in the country to speak publicly about the dangers of school lessons dedicated to the propaganda of "gender choice" - "activists did everything to keep critical discussions on this topic hushed up." This is also recognized by the consultant psychiatrist of one of the funds at the British Ministry of Health, Dr. David Bell. However, it was the National Health Service's "training manuals" that formed the basis of curricula for elementary schools, which "do not protect children and come into conflict with the law," Matthews said. She cites excerpts from the textbook Can I Tell You About Gender Diversity ?, a textbook for students with age 7+. It is narrated from the perspective of a 12-year-old child named Keith, "who is undergoing a transformation from girl to boy" through the use of hormonal puberty blockers. On his behalf, the compilers of the textbook assure that such "therapy" is completely unstable. The book was co-authored by Muthews with Stephanie Davis-Aray, who, together with a group of caring parents, is trying to resist the "transgender lobby."
          1. +3
            3 October 2019 11: 27
            Eugene, of the 3 names indicated, two are physics and mathematics. Maybe the search for the remaining one should have been sent along the same path? Then Rosenthal would have found a physicist, not a linguist.
            1. +1
              3 October 2019 12: 24
              Oga, moreover, they have been published since the 30-60s, but then the unworthy BBS woke up.
              1. +1
                3 October 2019 12: 49
                Was my message about the accuracy of the information? No. Moreover, I consider it unreliable and I am sure that you will not find it in the BBS archive. My message was about your approach to analyzing the information provided.
                1. +1
                  3 October 2019 12: 57
                  The criticism is objective, but by the way, you get into the same hole.

                  Rosenthal, Joseph Leonidovich
                  The main works are in the field of high energy physics. The conclusion about the influence of photon fields during the passage of cosmic particles was made by him before the discovery of background relic radiation. He performed work on the study of the hydrodynamic theory of multiple particle production and the interpretation of quark-gluon plasma based on it. Received the most important characteristics of multiple processes: the distribution of the values ​​of the transverse momentum and the limitedness of its average value, an exceptionally weak dependence of the transverse momentum on the collision energy.

                  Probably straight from the first class and introduce, and start with "I. L. Rosenthal Synergetics of the Universe and the problem of contact with extraterrestrial civilizations."

                  Although a little interested, I know that in high school they choose several in-depth subjects, maybe there they relate to it, but there is no way the Soviet system.
                  1. 0
                    3 October 2019 14: 30
                    Eugene, well, why distort about studying from the first class and extraterrestrial civilizations?
                    Have you not found in Rosenthal the physicist works that can complement the school course in particle physics in high school? By the way, I do not know how things are in English schools with the study of Russian as a foreign language. After all, the Rosenthal linguist could be useful. Why not?
                    With the work of Landau, I just met the school teacher and met.
                    1. +2
                      3 October 2019 14: 50
                      Quite. Only Rosenthal the physicist does not have textbooks and could not translate them. And the fact that his work can be used in training, well, quite. But what does the "Soviet program" have to do with it? We are now going through the Pythagorean theorem, but this does not mean that we use ancient Greek training programs.

                      It saddens that people with "the best Soviet education" so easily suck in gogno from BBS.

                      Well, in the WB, physics and mathematics are not compulsory subjects for the exam in high school, there is nothing close to Soviet programs there.
                      1. 0
                        3 October 2019 16: 45
                        But what does the "Soviet program" have to do with it?

                        Are we talking about the Soviet program?
                        I consider it unreliable and I am sure that you will not find it in the BBS archive

                        I thought we had it already)
                        http://www.mythdetector.ge/en/myth/disinformation-great-britain-allegedly-moving-soviet-education-system
                        It saddens that people with "the best Soviet education" so easily suck in gogno from BBS

                        Gullibility is not related to education at all.
                        I think you can round off on this topic
        2. +2
          3 October 2019 09: 32
          Have history and social studies textbooks been translated as well?
    2. +4
      3 October 2019 07: 37
      Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
      I read somewhere recently that Great Britain switched to the Soviet school system.

      And they abolished the spanking of children in schools. "Teenagers felt like the owners of schools and began to violate classroom discipline with impunity. In 2011, teachers were still allowed to physically prevent teenagers from acting if they threaten public order.
      “If a parent now hears at school:“ Sorry, we have no right to use physical force on students, ”then this school is not right. Just not right. The rules of the game have changed, ”the minister said. https://topwar.ru/25466-angliya-klassicheskaya-strana-telesnyh-nakazaniy.html
  10. +1
    3 October 2019 07: 18
    Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
    The conclusions of the NATO Analytical Note on Education in the USSR (1959) contain the following thoughts:
    “States that are independently competing with the USSR are wasting their strength and resources in attempts that are doomed to failure. If it is impossible to constantly invent methods that are superior to the methods of the USSR, it’s worth seriously thinking about borrowing and adapting Soviet methods. ”

    I read somewhere recently that Great Britain switched to the Soviet school system. Well, maybe not all schools, but nonetheless.
    What to do

    All ministers, headed by the guarantor and others who have ruled the country since 1991, should be brought to justice under the article "Mass genocide of their people." And then shoot.

    preferably 2 times
  11. +2
    3 October 2019 07: 18
    The article is superficial, you cannot go far on emotions alone. The author's nostalgia for his childhood.
    Comparison of textbooks no. No software comparison. In what period does the author want to return, to the Stalin class with the division of classes into boys / girls, to the Khrushchev class, when a student needed a work record of up to 2 years to enter a university? Different times pose different problems and challenges.

    Well, people with the best Soviet education fell in love with the USSR, and then they charged water on TVs.
    1. -6
      3 October 2019 07: 37
      this is an attempt in your own words to retell the film from the Future) why is this nostalgia about what you don’t remember? I went to school in the union and studied according to the system of which the author speaks. my child at 8 years old now knows and knows more than I do in class 4. he watches films and cartoons in English on his own. I have no idea what kind of degradation is being said. some manifesto with appeals do not understand why. you do not like the exam? and you tried to write it yourself? The site has long turned into a political circle for people of certain views, I understand. but at least it’s not worth getting into school? leave the children alone. I’m telling you as the father of one schoolboy and the second in a couple of years. well don't.
      1. +4
        3 October 2019 08: 25
        If you are preparing your schoolboy there ... in short, THERE, then what matters to you, before we want HERE.
        1. +4
          3 October 2019 08: 28
          where to go? ) I'm just saying that you do not need to mix everything in one pile.
          1. 0
            3 October 2019 08: 35
            ALL is that?
            Education separately, education in the other direction?
            This, I believe, is not the right mix?
            1. +1
              3 October 2019 09: 01
              problems in education and politics do not need to be mixed. ideology and so on. I only about it
              1. -1
                3 October 2019 09: 06
                Not about POLITICS, just the basics of cultural education, the rules of a normal "community".
                In short, what is good and what is bad.
                If there will be a fruitful influence on the young creature from several sides, the result should be much better.
      2. +1
        3 October 2019 11: 30
        my child at 8 years old now knows and knows more than I do in class 4

        Dmitry, what does your child know and know, what didn’t you know or didn’t know?
    2. 0
      3 October 2019 10: 28
      The division into male and female schools was only in the last, post-war years of Stalin's life and some time after his death. But, as far as I know, this was not practiced in rural areas.
      1. 0
        3 October 2019 14: 53
        Quote: Sergej1972
        The division into male and female schools was only in the last, post-war years of Stalin's life

        Yes, it is believed that thanks to this "imperial" school system, restored by Stalin back during that terrible war, later we flew into space.



        Not all important points of our education are mentioned in this article.
        Here is another good video about modern education:

  12. +7
    3 October 2019 07: 32
    In parallel, an article was published on the stagnation of the economy and industry in particular They say that Russians work poorly. Have you tried to pay them more?. And also conclusions, such as problems, are solved. So problems do not begin with this. Rather, of course, it all starts with us personally - it all depends on whether we personally do something or not. But do not confuse cause and effect. In short, it is necessary to solve problems in the wrong direction.

    1. 0
      3 October 2019 08: 23
      Quote: MainBeam
      In short, it is necessary to solve problems in the wrong direction.

      Yes, and TAKE IT TOGETHER TOGETHER! Unite .... by interest.
  13. 0
    3 October 2019 07: 40
    The strength of the government rests on the ignorance of the people, and it knows this and therefore will always fight against enlightenment.

    It is beautiful and almost right! Only everything has several sides ... in the USSR and the cleaning lady (most) could draw a map of the world, Pushkin, Dumas, quote. to tell! But some, obligatory, for the normal, full-fledged development of a person's knowledge, gave / taught very truncated! A lot of knowledge, this is not an absolute, comprehensive development of the personality! And then personalities were not very keen to develop, close ranks were required! Not so good, and sometimes very bad!
    Although, Soviet education, if something was lacking, then very little, besides, a person COULD develop it independently! Now how ... more is not enough than given! It remains to collect, correct ourselves, if we do not want to get a "tribe", which we will not like later.
    My opinion ... and then each parent decides, acts for himself!
    1. -5
      3 October 2019 07: 49
      And what's wrong with that? children now learn faster and perceive information better than us. we, as parents, must learn how to use it ourselves.
      1. +1
        3 October 2019 08: 21
        Quote: carstorm 11
        And what's wrong with that? children now learn faster and perceive information better than us. we, as parents, must learn how to use it ourselves.

        Everyone decides for himself .... the result is already visible! I often don't like him. when it becomes quite mass, see how it will appeal to those who now do not care or rejoice for such a service.
        Time is the best judge ... we’ll only experience the result personally, at the same time, all at once.
        1. 0
          3 October 2019 08: 29
          by itself. I don’t argue with that. we just as parents must also learn new things. children have changed compared to us.
          1. +1
            3 October 2019 08: 50
            Quote: carstorm 11
            we as parents must also learn new things. children have changed in comparison with us.

            Everything is correct. We learn, use and pass on EXPERIENCE, KNOWLEDGE to the younger generation.
            Nuance, we, in addition to knowledge, pass on our experience, our vision to everything and everything ... in short, who like, this is a personal decision.
            I do not think it is right to exclude school from this process! Therefore, it is sharply against some innovations and the removal of many useful things .... again, personal opinion.
            We will correct, but we really don’t want to “fight” with anything harmful, which they are trying to impose in educational institutions ... when we were called SCHOOL!
            1. 0
              3 October 2019 09: 02
              Well, this is a discussion) and the approach is excellent. unlike the article.
              1. 0
                3 October 2019 09: 19
                I am not a retrograde, "inspired" by some kind of "single correct idea" ...
                Something like this - everything should be HARMONIOUS, DIFFERENT! At the expense of languages, for example, we have a tip-top in our family, we will teach 3 more foreign languages ​​to Russian, here it would be better if the school did not interfere! But when children "bring" from school that something harmful, hooked, it can be hard to fix it ... they, of course, "parrot" us, but the school team can bring their own spoon of tar into ours, by no means not a barrel of honey!
                It is clear that the teacher is not always at school, now, more often, the distributor of services! What is the direct fault of the STATE structures, departments of different ministries. THIS IS BAD! Society, parents have long had to worry about it and some other, school problems.
                1. +1
                  3 October 2019 10: 34
                  It is good if the child succeeds in learning languages. But there are a lot of cases when nothing happens, and tutors do not help. At the same time, everything is fine in other subjects. Well, not all people have the ability to learn languages. All hope for improving electronic translation systems.)
                  1. +1
                    3 October 2019 11: 25
                    Professional orientation, important business, humanitarian, techie, something else, the main thing is to have something in the future to develop. But I'm not talking about, it’s very important to have ... in short, it’s very good to explain, to teach the child what is good, what is bad! No matter how clever he is, if he is a complete self-lover, and if he puts everyone on the rest, this person will be unpleasant to EVERYONE! Yes, if it becomes GREATER than everyone else, our society will cease to be normal immediately.
      2. +1
        3 October 2019 18: 14
        Quote: carstorm 11
        children now learn faster and perceive information better than us

        In vain zamusunut. The thought is sound.

        Quote: carstorm 11
        And what's wrong with that?

        What's wrong with that? If an article about murders at school? Adults do not cope with their duties and believe that children are bad. But adults "do not learn" and lose control of the situation. Infantile teachers are not respected by youngsters. And who is to blame, except adults?
        1. +2
          4 October 2019 19: 41
          Quote: MainBeam
          In vain zamusunut. The thought is sound.

          This "VO" has long been minus not for thoughts but for ideological affiliation)
  14. +5
    3 October 2019 08: 12
    On the radio, the population would be presented with what is acceptable to him: music without any restrictions.

    What we now hear on the radio. Moreover, it’s difficult to call the Russian stage even music.
    1. +1
      3 October 2019 13: 31
      For some reason, all our achievements in music and songs are realized abroad.
  15. -3
    3 October 2019 08: 12
    Constant stories in the media about beatings, violence, and killings in schools. Given the general degradation of society in schools, more and more mentally ill children. But there is no government on them. There is no effective legal protection from “difficult teenagers”. Police before 14 years (most often before 16) can do nothing at all.


    When exactly the same thing happened in Soviet schools, there was no Internet yet, although the scum that you had to pull out from your mother with forceps, but go find them then, and in Soviet times it was immeasurable.

    In general, the author is not even an alarmist, but one of those who deliberately wind themselves up, reading all kinds of crap on the Web for hours, and then pour out psychoses that everything is lost. As if the Soviet school had hammered into at least someone the concept of a derivative, if he did not want to know anything about this derivative. The Bolsheviks gave the opportunity to learn to everyone who wanted it. No school will help those who do not want to learn. Products of the "wonderful" Soviet education in the 80s were charged in front of TV screens.
    1. +2
      3 October 2019 09: 28
      Quote: EvilLion
      Products of "wonderful" Soviet education in the 80s were charged in front of TV screens.

      You have already hesitated with this water. In my family, only an illiterate grandmother charged. Personally, I, looking at Kashpirovsky with Chumak, only twisted at the temple. fool
  16. +4
    3 October 2019 08: 31
    For a quarter century, Russian education has been killed in Russia. Obviously, the "reforms" have reached their point - the Russian school is in agony.

    What kind of "Russian education" is the author talking about? After 1917, it was Soviet, after 1991, this is Russian ... request
    1. 0
      4 October 2019 19: 44
      Quote: Tank Hard
      What kind of "Russian education" is the author talking about? After 1917, it was Soviet, after 1991, this is Russian ...

      the author apparently like me merged into a single whole and the Soviet and Russian and Russian ... I can not blame him for this because he himself is guilty)

      Russia has always stood up
      At all times and ages
      Wherever the wind of change blows
      And no matter how bad her deeds

      They tried to defeat her more than once
      But there is no force that will overcome it
      How to raise a Phoenix bird from the ashes
      The Rusich heroes and gods helped her!

      And no matter how hard they try to conquer it
      And sticks were inserted into her wheels
      Russia, like a troika, just rushing into the distance
      From the ashes, like a Phoenix bird, being born!
      (Natalya Kuldeeva)
  17. BAI
    +6
    3 October 2019 09: 17
    1. You can shake the air as much as you like, but the Bologna system will not be canceled. This is one of the conditions for joining the Council of Europe, for which the Russian Federation has long and hard fought, and now pays a lot of money to stay there. (And they somehow calmed down about the payment of "debts" and no longer remember - everything was paid, despite promises not to pay).
    2. The author did not notice the degradation of the pedagogical corps.
    3. Golden words "we do not need competent developers, we need competent consumers" also has not been canceled.
    The degradation of Russian education will continue, especially since the children of those in power have the opportunity to study abroad or in elite private schools.
  18. -4
    3 October 2019 09: 30
    Quote: CruorVult
    Well, people with the best Soviet education fell in love with the USSR, and then they charged water on TVs.

    Exactly! It was a better education ... What in the presence of people who have it, the USSR fell apart without a single shot. Ah, were they tricked? People with better education tricked? Ha ha!
    1. +1
      3 October 2019 11: 19
      Well, with the people of his own, the USSR collapsed without a single shot.

      Duc is ..... Just everything ...... It's just that the leaders of this have done a lot so that "people with the best education" just don't give a damn about it. And by the way, there were a lot of questions about "the best in the world" too. Otherwise, why did they conduct the experiment with Novoisb? I mean the well-known branch of the USSR Academy of Sciences ..... Which ended exactly as it should have. At first, it was an almost enchanting success, and then everything quickly returned to real Soviet standards.
    2. 0
      3 October 2019 11: 55
      Well, why slip into cheap manipulations? Call me a country without fortune-tellers, psychics, selling amulets, etc. Also the education system of these countries is to blame? Or is there no connection here?
    3. +1
      3 October 2019 15: 55
      Vyacheslav, from someone, but did not expect such a comment from you.
      1. 0
        3 October 2019 17: 50
        Do you want, Vadim, to say that I do not know what I am writing about? Do not know the problems of education?
    4. +2
      4 October 2019 19: 48
      Quote: kalibr
      Exactly! It was a better education ... What in the presence of people who have it, the USSR fell apart without a single shot. Ah, were they tricked? People with better education tricked? Ha ha!

      in the "creepy little-educated RI" the people gave birth to Lenin and Stalin ... in the "well-educated totalitarian union" of Yeltsin and Gaidar ... every year I become more and more dear to RI
  19. 0
    3 October 2019 09: 34
    Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
    All ministers, headed by the guarantor and others who have ruled the country since 1991, should be brought to justice under the article "Mass genocide of their people." And then shoot.

    Wow, a call to violence against state leaders? That's cool!
    1. +1
      3 October 2019 09: 54
      So, those who came in 91, did not have this very Soviet education ?! Oh wow.
      The dude doesn't care that there is no article "Mass genocide of his people" and there is no moratorium on the death penalty. Regulators are anonymous.
  20. +7
    3 October 2019 09: 58
    in the Leningrad Region, a schoolboy systematically beats classmates for several years in a row, and the school leadership and parents can do nothing about it.

    The child in the class also had a two-year-old bully who terrorized everyone in a row. My son, too, was afraid of him, psychologically, endured him. But then he overcame himself and severely beat him, so he was sent from the lessons to the medical office. The girls approached their son and said thanks for punishing the school terrorist. But they called me to the school for the teachers' council and brainwashed me. They frightened them by writing a statement to the police about the fact that they had strongly offended the bully. This is our school - you can keep the whole class in fear, but you can’t answer the bully anymore.
  21. +4
    3 October 2019 10: 07
    I’m writing about the same thing myself, and I agree with the author on almost all points
    1. +1
      3 October 2019 12: 44
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      I’m writing about the same thing myself, and I agree with the author on almost all points

      But not me. In any case, if the conversation is about RUSSIAN education (as in the title of the article), and not Russian.
      1. +1
        3 October 2019 13: 32
        Well, we still have pluralism, so you have every right :) And what is happening with education I see quite well - out of three children I have two students
        1. 0
          3 October 2019 14: 16
          You know what is happening with education, I also know, because not only children, schoolchildren (well, it’s true that one student is already a month old), but also the wife of the teacher (and even children with special needs) and parents worked all their lives as teachers, and he himself is such, only the truth is by education. Only I can express my opinion on Russian education since I live in Belarus and do not know about Russian. Although something tells me that there will be no fundamental difference between the Belarusian and Russian education. If you or VO readers are interested, we can discuss (just a lull at work).
  22. 0
    3 October 2019 10: 10
    EVERYTHING is correct, +100500
    how to get out of this
  23. +1
    3 October 2019 10: 16
    Don't you understand that the current rulers DO NOT NEED smart, educated kids. After all, if they are smart, then sooner or later they will think about why their parents live worse and worse during the 20 years of the reign of "respected" leaders. Against the background of the fact that the friends and accomplices of the "respected" are getting fat and fat on public property, and their offspring, studying and living abroad, are more and more greedy, that bureaucrats who have bred like bedbugs in a flophouse drink the blood of their parents and hate those who contains that the servants of the people (as deputies and senators call themselves) are fattening salaries of 400000-1500000 rubles, and the people are taught how to live on 7000 rubles, eating macaroshkas. And when smart kids understand this and grow up, it will not seem enough to all of the above. Therefore, the policy of the current authorities is DEBILIZATION of the whole country!
    1. +1
      4 October 2019 19: 50
      Quote: military pensioner
      Therefore, the policy of the current authorities is the DEBILIZATION of the whole country!

      Therefore, you should be happy ... The level of education will drop to 14% as in the Republic of Ingushetia and there will be new Lenins and Stalins .... profit)
  24. 0
    3 October 2019 10: 51
    necessary article, for a long time I’ve watched with tears in our eyes how our Soviet school is collapsing, and the schoolchildren have really become digital slaves, have forgotten how to think, analyze, look for something new for self-development. It is very painful and scary for our future! recourse
  25. 0
    3 October 2019 11: 13
    Education begins in the family from birth.
    Kindergarten / school / university / pr ..
    but basic is within the family.
    We were generally taken to school after a mini exam (math problems, logic on events, literature in the form of poems). We already knew how to read, retell, write before school ..
    But this is the Soviet period. Everything is strict there. And without money.
    Now capitalism, money and out of necessity.
    The experience of countries that have passed the capitalist past and present ..
    Does the author wish a school of the USSR under capitalism? Will not be. Because loot wins everything.
    But it’s too late to change the system. They didn’t come up with anything better than capitalism with a human face. (But this is not about us)
  26. -6
    3 October 2019 11: 21
    Quote: Verkhomnapule
    I’ve been looking with tears in my eyes for a long time

    Less sob more to do! You can’t help with tears. Only damp!
    1. +4
      3 October 2019 13: 01
      Quote: kalibr
      Less sob more to do! You can’t help with tears. Only damp!

      Golden words, it's fun to hear from the author of advertising articles about "abroad" lol
  27. -4
    3 October 2019 11: 24
    Quote: Stas157
    They frightened them by writing a statement to the police about the fact that they had strongly offended the bully.

    I had to bring a voice recorder with me. Correctly put questions to them and correctly answer them. Loud! Then let the director listen and say where you will go with this! They would see a person with a gray face, as after a conversation between Yagupop and Nushrok. For all yours, it would be USU! I did it more than once! Works great!
    1. 0
      4 October 2019 19: 56
      Quote: kalibr
      I had to bring a voice recorder with me.

      We recently had a case ... there was no heating in kindergartens and schools yet ... And then one father came to the kindergarten and made a video of how children sleep at sub-zero temperatures ... and then came directly to the meeting of the City Executive Committee ... in the morning, heating was in all the gardens and schools. (An example from the Republic of Belarus, the city where my parents live) The conclusion is simple not to chew snot, but to take the liberty to go and fight in a legal way. Well, or you can certainly expect the phenomenon of the "leader of the people" (oh shepherd to the flock)
      Z.Y. you can of course start saying RB is a different world .. aha of course there is even a tax on the unemployed) and everything else, just like in Russia, is only poorer (
  28. 0
    3 October 2019 11: 27
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    Personally, I, looking at Kashpirovsky with Chumak, only twisted at the temple.

    And my mother is a candidate of sciences, associate professor ... charged! There is a difference?
  29. +3
    3 October 2019 11: 29
    That's right, the degradation of society is in the face, and it all starts from the school bench ... it's a shame to see your children in this society, you try to educate them, tell and show them as you used to in the USSR .... understanding and unwillingness to be like us. In addition, there is always a generational conflict and there’s no getting anywhere .... So sad conclusions can be made: the degradation of education on the face, I’m generally silent for discipline ...... But this is our future, the future of our Russia, so do it conclusions what awaits us ...........
    1. +1
      4 October 2019 20: 02
      Quote: Alexey-74
      you’re trying to educate them, tell and show them as you used to with the USSR ...

      You are busy with a useless business) For them, "under the Union" sounds like for us it sounded "like under Tsar Pea."
      Do not impose on your children a longing for your past, they have their own life, their own country. When we leave already they will have to live here. Let love for you be better in their memory than these vague other people's memories)
  30. +1
    3 October 2019 11: 33
    No way people will understand ... The only task that our authorities pursue in domestic politics determines all their actions relating to all the main directions of the country's movement. It should consider ALL the fundamental issues that arise in us through the prism of this task. What is this task? It is formulated simply, namely:
    LEGITIMIZATION OF CAPITALS
    All, absolutely and completely all the people who make up our power and the "elite" are thieves. Most of them, either with their own hands or by others, killed people who were robbed or who prevented them from stealing. But, having punished as much as possible, they are faced with the fact that the Russian people do not accept them as an “elite.” To every thinking person, I’m not talking about those who are not alien to the concepts of honor and conscience, it is absolutely clear that state building and the country's growth under the leadership thieves and bandits are impossible.
    The thief’s personality type is such that constructive activity with his hands and head is simply impossible! No matter what they do, no matter how hard they try, even completely sincerely, all their actions and undertakings will always end in collapse for people and the country as something creative. What we see around you, it seems that a lot is being built, it seems that there are also goods in bulk, and production seems to be growing, but ...
    Personally, I am alien to any revolutionary sentiment, and my conclusions are simply a statement of the obvious. Alas, in the case of the school, our legitimizers do a simple thing. They try to educate people who will treat the thief with admiration, and the thief with envy. And by the way, they succeed in this. So our school is a giant step towards the destruction of the country for the simple reason that people brought up in tolerance for theft and admiration for thieves suddenly do not want to work! They also want, and will, steal and kill, like their idols! at the slightest opportunity! And if you squeeze them with the tongs of the "digital state" (how our government is going to do it, which is beginning to understand what it has done), then they will work very badly, and will never improve, develop.
    In the modern world, all this is a death sentence for both the country and the nation. Oh ...
  31. -2
    3 October 2019 11: 57
    Quote: Nefarious skeptic
    Vile Skeptic (Timur) Today, 11: 55
    0
    Well, why slip into cheap manipulations? Call me a country without fortune-tellers, psychics, selling amulets, etc. Also the education system of these countries is to blame? Or is there no connection here?

    Timur! There is no such country. But the USSR with its best education is not there either.
    1. +5
      3 October 2019 14: 55
      Vyacheslav Olegovich, there is no such country, but there are manipulations (including from you) on the topic of charging water and the imaginary connection of this with education. What does not paint.
  32. +3
    3 October 2019 11: 58
    Quote: Strashila
    and not with a ballpoint pen, but with a pen.

    And we, in general, first trained with a pencil! He wore a cap for one year (as in the top picture). Then he took out from it a cool wide spring. The extension was ... we were brought on a horse fried pies with jam ... for FIVE cents !!! fellow
  33. -1
    3 October 2019 11: 59
    Quote: Alexey-74
    but not understanding and unwillingness to be like us is visible.

    You see. Being determines consciousness, not your desires. You only harm your children, it turns out to meet the challenges of the time.
  34. 0
    3 October 2019 12: 03
    In order to return to the Soviet education system, it is necessary to completely change the Cabinet of Ministers and introduce the idea that the school was destroyed by these innovations ... they show him beautiful pictures of gifted children ... and the bulk of schools and students are really lower than the plinth
    1. +1
      4 October 2019 20: 07
      Quote: Andrey VOV
      In order to return to the Soviet education system, it is necessary to completely change the Cabinet of Ministers and introduce the idea that the school was destroyed by these innovations ... they show him beautiful pictures of gifted children ... and the bulk of schools and students are really lower than the plinth

      Sorry this is not the case. I have been working at the school for many years. And not only in the Russian Federation but also in the Republic of Belarus. You are greatly mistaken in your statements (regarding children and their level). But this "come back ....." why? You need to go forward, but there are problems in education, so why go back? All the same, even in the formation of the USSR there were enough problems (otherwise the USSR would not have disappeared so easily). Or is it easier for you to believe that the highly moral and educated atheists from the USSR were deceived by three clowns in Belovezhskaya Pushcha?
      1. 0
        5 October 2019 12: 06
        Namely problems, but not fundamental "horrors" as it is now, but I have never had any illusions about Belovezhskaya Pushcha
        1. 0
          5 October 2019 16: 49
          Quote: Andrey VOV
          fundamental "horrors"

          Not familiar with the "fundamental horrors", although soon as 20 years at school. Hint at least where to look for them? The notorious USE? Tyranny of administration? New tutorials? Educational standard? Prison regime? The powerlessness of teachers? Extortions in schools? Mobile phones?
          Sorry but bullshit.
          No, I do not deny the existence of problems) I argue that they do not have such a terrible "fundamental" character as some claim.
          I want to remind you that generations are different from each other. This is especially evident for teachers in schools ... when one parallel is strong and educated, the other is weak and loose ... In the case of each particular child, many factors affect. So personally, I am extremely amused, "ALL SOVIET EDUCATION IS NO LONGER" since its already 30 years old .... and will never be again, You cannot enter the same water twice.
  35. 0
    3 October 2019 12: 07
    Yeah, I remember when Vasiliev was appointed Minister of Education, or was, they say a professional man came, right now everything will work out. At first I did something there, and then everything rolled back.
    1. +3
      3 October 2019 12: 25
      Yes, it can’t, one Vasilieva breaks the SYSTEM ... with all her desire or unwillingness ..... a person of the system will not go against the SYSTEM, and if it does, the result is obvious in my opinion
      1. +1
        5 October 2019 13: 00
        take an interest, the fact is that they appointed her, announced the reform and ....... selected the tools for implementation, you will still smile, but there, it seems, the vile creature Fursenko is again responsible for everything ...
        1. 0
          5 October 2019 16: 08
          that one in football at one time nakulesil that the other in education = just the same talent they have to destroy and spoil
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  37. 0
    3 October 2019 12: 38
    And there are also "corporate classes". Where they are trying to prepare just performers for the oligarchs from the desk.
  38. +1
    3 October 2019 12: 45
    Take Soviet methods, programs and textbooks, adapt them to the present. The Soviet school was the best in the world. Use this foundation to create a society of creators and creators, and not slaves of the "digital concentration camp", as it is now. It is also necessary to restore order and discipline in schools, to put an end to “tolerance” towards loafers, hooligans and juvenile delinquents. And the elephant will eat a wagon of apples? Yes, he will eat, but he will give him. Putin and Medvedev are building a society for the elect they don’t need literate people, the less educated the people, the smarter they will seem to Medvedev.
    1. +2
      4 October 2019 20: 09
      Quote: Alex66
      Putin and Medvedev are building a society for the elect they don’t need literate people, the less educated the people, the smarter they will seem to Medvedev.

      I conclude the ideal of RI with 14% of the literate .. oh no there was a revolution there .... It turns out that Medvedev with his own hands leads to a revolution ?? Or builds a society for the elite?) Somewhere your logic has broken)
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  40. 0
    3 October 2019 12: 50
    "What did we get as a result? A complete breakdown of discipline and order at school. Licentiousness, permissiveness and the ability to shirk from school. Swearing, smoking and drunkenness of adolescents. Older children beat younger ones, swear, send teachers" to go through the woods. " about beatings, violence, and even murders in schools. " All this was in the USSR - only the media were silent about this, as well as about everything else.
  41. -3
    3 October 2019 13: 03
    "The fundamental reason for the destruction of the Russian school is the domination of liberal, pro-Western ideology in Russia. The total commercialization of Russian society and culture. Our country has become part of the Western world of the" golden calf "- a consumer society that leads to self-destruction and death of the entire planet and humanity." Again, Western ideology is to blame - or maybe it is the parents who are to blame that they beat the hell out of their children - and there is no need to write about everyone, this does not happen everywhere and obviously not with everyone. "Consumer society" - The consumer society has existed from the very beginning of human existence - it is impossible to consume something without creating something new, consumption is the main engine of progress - whether it is knowledge, goods, etc.
    1. 0
      3 October 2019 17: 27
      Consumer society has existed from the very beginning of human existence - it is impossible to consume something without creating something new, consumption is the main engine of progress - whether it is knowledge products, etc.

      For the Charter of any modern commercial organization, a clause containing the purpose of its creation is mandatory. And in this paragraph it is always written the same thing - making a profit. Not progress. Everything else is from the evil one. The highlighted area is generally perplexing.
      1. 0
        3 October 2019 19: 14
        No, just the same, everything is natural and understandable - without progress there will be no profit as it will stand — people will always strive for the best.
        1. +1
          4 October 2019 11: 06
          I can only advise you to read Baudrillard on this topic.
          We have a different understanding of progress with you. In terms of the significance of the introduced innovations for society, the curve of progress in the 21st century has dropped to the level of the 17th century (according to Huebner). A society of 4 accepted components of progress (social, material, spiritual and scientific) is occupied only with material, replacing the concept of "innovation as a useful innovation" with the concept of "innovation as an improvement in economic efficiency" (just like in the theory of Schumpeter).
          there will be no progress without progress

          Why's that? There is no profit when expenses are higher than income. the rest is water. Example. Growing vegetables in open ground and in a hydroponic farm. The second method compared to the first is progress. But its main advantages are just not of an economic nature (social and environmental). But in economic terms, on a global scale, it is less profitable than the open ground of warm countries, a cheap slave. strength and distribution throughout the rest of the world. And therefore, all its other advantages are not immediately needed by anyone.
  42. 0
    3 October 2019 13: 05
    The fundamental reason for the destruction of the Russian school is the dominance of a liberal, pro-Western ideology in Russia. Total commercialization of Russian society and culture. Our country has become part of the Western world of the "golden calf" - a consumer society that leads to self-destruction and destruction of the entire planet and humanity
    [quote] [/ quote] Well, and where do the textbooks come about. And that in our time there were absolutely no untrained students. Few in the classes were laughing at the amazing knowledge of some in Geography. The fact that there was no Internet. That would be easier to try to remember everything . And now, they say. why learn, on the Internet you can see. And most importantly, you won’t turn back the clock. Something will come of it. Throughout life, the older generation reproached the young for recklessness, immorality, irresponsibility, etc.
  43. +1
    3 October 2019 15: 33
    You wrote this, Timur, and what has changed? Nothing! Do you think so. Well ... because yes, there is manipulation, it is carried out professionally and for a lot of money, and there is no reception against scrap. Do not write to me the continuation of the saying ... "other scrap" is absent in principle. And the connection is not imaginary, but direct. In Dagestan they say that where there are no good youth, there were no good old people!
  44. +2
    3 October 2019 15: 34
    Quote: vel1163
    Throughout life, the older generation reproached the young for recklessness, immorality, irresponsibility, etc.
    Reply

    Since the days of Dr. Egypt. There are texts!
  45. +1
    3 October 2019 17: 48
    Quote: Tank Hard
    Tank Hard (Daniel von Messer)

    I just did a lot to improve the education of our children in the USSR and in Russia.
    1. +2
      3 October 2019 19: 59
      Quote: kalibr
      I just did a lot to improve the education of our children in the USSR and in Russia

      Perhaps, but I do not know these matters, but I read your articles here ... request
  46. +1
    3 October 2019 18: 00
    Quote: Alexander Suvorov
    Although ... in the USSR, almost all were literate, but go and you bought beautiful candy wrappers and jeans ...

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++
  47. +3
    3 October 2019 18: 30
    Many have already spoken out here. I will express myself too. More precisely, let me remind you
    1. +2
      4 October 2019 20: 15
      Fursenko forgot about Soviet internationalism, which ultimately destroyed the USSR .. and also sat down in schools and in the end ... remember Soviet films about England, for example? and now tell me where did Londongrad come from?) is no longer from "Is it Mary Popins?" .... And if we compare American and Soviet cinema, the question is immediately ... why did the Americans blame the Soviets for everything .. and the Reds .. and ours? "they looked at the Trust that burst, Hearts of Three .. films with Goyko Mitic" .... Internationalism in education is definitely one of the reasons for the collapse of the USSR ..
  48. +2
    3 October 2019 18: 32
    And I’ll also remind you of this. But the point is not in them, but in the state system that is known who created it and for what purpose. And with whom....
    1. +2
      3 October 2019 18: 34
      Here is another character. Do not forget about them, about their goals and methods.
  49. 0
    3 October 2019 19: 22
    Russia occupied the 3rd place in the world ranking in terms of education.

    Then, “reformers” and “optimizers” —destructors — reached the Russian school.

    This is a real diversion, deliberate wrecking! And all this: who pushed it all, introduced, hanging noodles on the ears of a new brilliant prospect among civilized nations, there are names, surnames and positions and need to make them public! The people should know their heroes! Maybe at least in this way it will be possible to interfere with something of this dishonesty to finish off our education!
  50. +2
    3 October 2019 19: 46
    Previously, the beautiful was far away, but now the terrible present. And officials from the Ministry of Education are on trial for treason.
    1. -1
      4 October 2019 16: 45
      Well, they just fulfill the assigned tasks. Qualitatively and well perform. And who sets these tasks for them is also well known. These faces do not leave the screens.
  51. 0
    3 October 2019 20: 55
    *Secondly, for students and their parents, the main thing in the educational process is now what will be on the final exam, and not the systematic study of the basics of basic subjects. Students do not receive fundamental knowledge, they do not develop conceptual thinking, they do not develop students and accustom them to systematic mental work. The results are devastating; the level of basic knowledge of applicants has fallen catastrophically. The level of universities automatically fell to the bulk of students poorly prepared in secondary school.*
    I completely agree. The true cross.
  52. +1
    3 October 2019 21: 03
    *There is no need to reinvent the wheel, it is necessary to return to the classical Russian (Soviet) school. Take Soviet methods, programs and textbooks, adapt them to modern times. The Soviet school was the best in the world. Use this foundation to create a society of creators and creators, and not slaves in a “digital concentration camp”, as it is now. It is also necessary to restore order and discipline in schools, to put an end to “tolerance” towards idlers, hooligans and juvenile delinquents.*
    I give the author a standing ovation.
    After all, it’s nothing complicated. The author reports obvious things.
    Instead, we at the TOP are fighting smoking on the balcony.
    Go crazy!.. there’s nothing else to do in the country!..
    I personally now live, I must say, exactly what was put into me in the damned Soviet times. I went to school in 1982 if I remember correctly.
  53. +1
    3 October 2019 21: 04
    Quote: Silvestr
    A disaster not only for doctors, but also for teachers


    Everything goes according to plan.
    Less qualified medical care means a decrease in population (in the first half of 2019 there was a sharp increase in mortality).
    Fewer teachers mean a lower level of education; well, one teacher cannot provide quality education to twice as many children.

    As a result, the colonial government killed two birds with one stone:
    1. the number of hungry mouths demanding something other than pasta

    2. to serve their interests - stable supplies of hydrocarbons to the west, and maintenance of oil and gas pipelines, as well as family servants (tutors, maids, drivers, security, etc.) are just enough for the people left after extinction with a primitive basic education, like the American ones alcoholic Indians.

    Moreover, 80% of the national wealth is set aside for a “rainy day” (which none of us will live to see).

    Yuri Pronko: The Central Bank has withdrawn almost all the currency from Russia’s reserves abroad. Who do they work for?

    "While taxes and the retirement age are being raised for Russian citizens, in parallel, the government and the Central Bank are withdrawing hundreds of billions of dollars outside the country. A report published today by the Central Bank on asset management in foreign currency and gold (https://www.cbr.ru/Collection/Collection/File/23724/2019-04_res.pdf) is puzzling - almost all the currency that is purchased according to the budget rule is sent to reserves, and then transferred abroad. 80% of all purchased currency is located outside of Russia and only 18% is invested in physical gold. Nabiullina’s team brought the biggest money to Germany and China.”

    1. 0
      3 October 2019 23: 26
      "The Central Bank has withdrawn almost all the currency from Russia's reserves abroad." So this currency is already abroad, gold is in Russia, and foreign currency money works where it was purchased - due to the fact that the ruble is jumping.
  54. +3
    3 October 2019 23: 44
    An uneducated society is easier to rob.
    1. 0
      5 October 2019 16: 54
      Quote: lexus
      An uneducated society is easier to rob.

      exploit, rob equally, whether educated or not...
      Although it’s also easy for the educated to exploit the USSR, don’t you want to remember how educated people worked hard for pennies? (a pittance compared to what their colleagues in the West received)..Oh, yes, they worked in the name of the common good..for some reason the common later became private...and specific owners were even found...Apparently uneducated people lived in the USSR ....
  55. 0
    4 October 2019 14: 52
    And it would be even more correct to return the experience of the empire, to take it from the best royal gymnasiums. After all, the Soviet system is just a simplified and deteriorated imperial system.
  56. -2
    4 October 2019 16: 27
    The article is rare nonsense. The bottom has been broken. Problems with the education system began back in the USSR, when the staff who studied before the revolution and those whom they taught ended. And then everything became so diluted by workers and peasants that collapse occurred. An intelligent person will not teach the proletariat for any money. Before the revolution, in gymnasiums and universities, the teaching and student contingent was an order of magnitude higher, and they actually taught there. It was the right atmosphere. That is, now it is impossible to attract high-quality teachers to schools. Even in private schools the teachers are weak. This is only a standard in the sick imagination of the USSR soviet wankers. They don’t think about who gave higher education to Kurchatov and the company. They don’t know that the nuclear program, thanks to the efforts of Vernadsky, began even before the revolution. There was no country before the Soviet Union.
    1. -2
      4 October 2019 20: 01
      *Problems with the education system began during the USSR, when the personnel who studied before the revolution and those whom they taught ran out. And then everything became so diluted by workers and peasants that collapse occurred. An intelligent person will not teach the proletariat for any money*
      What are you talking about?!.. what kind of personnel, after what revolution, ended suddenly?!.
      At my school, for example, a certain Evlampy Grigorievich Uglov taught special subjects. Obviously, he was not born before the revolution, but rather around the year thirty-eight. An excellent teacher and the smartest person. He drove us harshly. He was very strict with the subjects. You won't spoil him. And so I taught (many thanks to him) everything that I know now. By profession. At least I put in the basic knowledge. Next comes self-education.
    2. 0
      5 October 2019 01: 27
      You are a true demagogue! Kurchatov graduated from Tauride University, founded in 1918!
      And Vernadsky really had a “royal” education, although he interned with the French before returning to the USSR.
      What is in your sick imagination of a monarchist or a liberal wanker is not clear. But you interfere heavily by contradicting yourself. It was the "Soviet wankers" who successfully implemented the atomic program.
      So keep such offensive epithets for yourself. As I understand it, you have nothing to do with scientific developments, otherwise you wouldn’t write nonsense!
  57. -3
    4 October 2019 17: 16
    The fundamental reason for the destruction of the Russian school is the dominance of liberal, pro-Western ideology in Russia. Total commercialization of Russian society and culture.

    How many times have you already talked about this to the “galley slave”? Either he doesn't hear, or he doesn't want to hear...
    To paraphrase Stalin: “you are either or.”
    GEA after 4th grade, Unified State Exam... - well, in 10 years we’ll end up with a generation confusing Australia with Austria and asking “Where is Africa – where are Tunisia and Egypt?” And that’s all, because they will only know countries from travel agency advertisements.
    1. -2
      5 October 2019 00: 57
      A galley slave has no time to think, he has to row the loot!)))
  58. 0
    4 October 2019 17: 37
    Quote: Tank Hard
    Perhaps, but I do not know these matters, but I read your articles here ...

    Is the Internet banned here and you only watch VO? Everything is there, just type in your name. And Books and articles, not only here. By the way, what don’t you like about articles about knights and rifles?
    1. +1
      4 October 2019 20: 50
      Quote: kalibr
      Don't you like articles about knights and rifles?

      Valentin Taratorin writes much more interestingly about knights and Rome (in connection with the technology and tactics of various units of different eras, including the actions of cavalry in wars, from “prehistoric” to modern times) (I think that you don’t even know who he is). And “about rifles”, Popenker - at least... By the way, don’t worry, I don’t read you anymore. hi
  59. +2
    4 October 2019 17: 39
    Quote: Demagogue
    This is only a standard in the sick imagination of the USSR soviet wankers.

    Well said.
  60. +5
    4 October 2019 19: 43
    Hello friends and enemies.
    I am a regular reader, but I write extremely rarely. But the article itself, as well as the comments to it, some of which were completely sane, simply forced me to write a couple of lines. It’s hard to disagree with the author, looking at the fact that in general the school (as a civil institution) is deteriorating, but at the same time I note that the number of Olympiad winners and other talents is not decreasing, many graduates are accepted by international companies. What does this mean? First of all, about the differentiation of education in the country. That is, our level of education is growing, but not for everyone. And yes, it is oriented towards an applied nature. Just look at the level of pay in natural science departments, as well as at the average age of employees in knowledge-intensive industries (including rocket science, etc.)
    I also want to note that the author constantly utters the mantra “liberals are to blame.” What the hell do liberals and the West have to do with it? This is a typical Aboriginal cargo cult. We can buy the most luxurious Gildmeister machines, but without instructions and fine-tuning, without understanding the technology, we will still hammer nails with a grenade, as in the bearded joke. Guys, finally understand that there are no conspiracy theories and nasty “those out there” who want to wipe the country off the face of the earth. There is no need to look for a problem outside when it is not there. Searching for a black cat in a dark room without one is pointless.

    The fact that the teacher’s authority has been sharply reduced is a problem, but there are several reasons for this
    - this is also the fact that the teacher has become more of a paper writer than a real transmitter of knowledge
    - and the fact that the teacher works for a certain result, expressed in VPR/USE scores, and not for the assimilation of knowledge (because this is how his work is evaluated)
    - and the fact that many young teachers in terms of knowledge are sometimes not superior to former school graduates who received knowledge in the Soviet system (thus closing a vicious circle - remember one of the logics of the appearance of Mr. Snape as the dean of Slytherin)
    And this has nothing to do with liberalism. Let's look at other countries - if they did not win or did not participate in World War 2, this does not mean that their educational system is bad. Finally understand this. Why do children, in order to get at least some start in life, need to be crucified on a cross in the name of this? Why do you deny playful forms of presenting material? Do you think cramming is better? You are wrong. It is possible to synthesize some good methods. And here, when the curriculum changes every year, and when Stalin is either good or bad - what do you want from teachers and students? (Yes, a lot of crap, such as “national subjects”, “religion”, etc. can be thrown out of the curriculum, no questions asked)
    The problem is not the Internet, not Doc2, not the teachers, not the parents. The problem is what’s going on with the “writers and directors” of this bacchanalia, and the fact that we are just “extras” in this production, alas, as it looks like it has a not entirely happy ending
    (I’m sick, I’m lying with a temperature of 39, severe muscle pain, and today my local therapist prescribed me a “very effective” drug Otsilo...m, and a couple more of the same - I mean, this kind of thing happens not only with education , but also with healthcare).
    So once again I appeal to the author - understand that the enemies are not where you are looking for them.
    Thank you
    1. 0
      4 October 2019 20: 48
      “I’m sick, I’m lying with a temperature of 39, severe muscle pain” - Do you have the flu?
    2. 0
      4 October 2019 21: 19
      Oscilocaccinum is a good remedy if it is not made by us!
    3. 0
      5 October 2019 00: 55
      There may be no conspiracy, but the interests of other states are clearly visible. And the fact that our idiots (or deliberately) are hooked on liberal ideology, which supposedly leads a host of civilized Western states, but in fact is an instrument of influence, does not serve them as any justification. It’s a no-brainer that gross mistakes are made in government, commensurate with treason. But the historical fact is one, only the winner can judge others...
      Corruption, class, clan rule our country and it is they who judge others....
      The only thing that warms the soul is not an eternal process, but the next transitional phase of the historical process, which will pass through the temporary workers without leaving a trace of them... Perhaps our grandchildren will see the restoration of balance. In the meantime, demons rule.
    4. 0
      5 October 2019 16: 57
      Quote: lesovichok
      So once again I appeal to the author - understand that the enemies are not where you are looking for them.
      Thank you

      I agree with you on 100%
    5. 0
      5 October 2019 18: 55
      Hello to you in any case.
      I agree with the post for the most part, but in some places it’s debatable.
  61. -2
    4 October 2019 21: 15
    Quote: Tank Hard
    By the way, don’t worry, I don’t read you anymore.

    Don’t read it, do you think it will change anything? One of the latest materials on a military topic was read by more than 52 thousand people. One more, one less...
  62. -2
    4 October 2019 21: 22
    Quote: Tank Hard
    writes Valentin Taratorin (I think you don’t even know who he is)

    Why should I know him in my current position, when I work directly with museums? What does he know that is not in the books of English and Japanese authors and in museum materials?
    1. +1
      4 October 2019 23: 05
      Quote: kalibr
      Why should I know him in my current position, when I work directly with museums? What does he know that is not in the books of English and Japanese authors and in museum materials?

      The main thing is that the crown does not put pressure... feel lol
  63. -5
    4 October 2019 21: 25
    Quote: Petrol cutter
    I personally now live, I must say, exactly what was put into me in the damned Soviet times

    And are you living well? Your own company, a couple of oil rigs, a house in Spain?
  64. +1
    5 October 2019 00: 37
    Moreover, this is done purposefully and steadily, and not by accident or stupidity, knowing full well that everything, literally everything, starts from school. No school - no society, no history, culture, creative development, self-identification of the nation, no country, there is territory, populated by “advanced” users without honor or conscience. The destruction of the system of education and UPBRINGING is the same crime, if not more terrible in its consequences, a crime against one’s own people, as, on the same level, the betrayal and destruction of the Soviet state and the organization of robbery unprecedented in the history of mankind, serving the interests of a hostile power at the expense of one’s people. And “training” a couple of dozen teenagers with a narrow specialization, for the sake of various competitions, etc., and organizing a couple of centers for talented children is just an imitation of education. The education and upbringing system will not be restored in the shortest possible time at the proper national level, the future of the country, and in the short term - sad.
  65. 0
    5 October 2019 00: 38
    This is the agony not of the Russian school, but of the government, which is not capable of successfully governing Russia! School is a consequence...and not only it.
  66. -1
    5 October 2019 11: 40
    Quote: Campanella
    You are a true demagogue! Kurchatov graduated from Tauride University, founded in 1918!
    And Vernadsky really had a “royal” education, although he interned with the French before returning to the USSR.
    What is in your sick imagination of a monarchist or a liberal wanker is not clear. But you interfere heavily by contradicting yourself. It was the "Soviet wankers" who successfully implemented the atomic program.
    So keep such offensive epithets for yourself. As I understand it, you have nothing to do with scientific developments, otherwise you wouldn’t write nonsense!

    Who taught Kurchatov? Have the "Greys" arrived? Yesterday's serf peasants? Vernadsky launched the empire’s nuclear program in 1910, and in the USSR achieved the same only by 1940. 30 years down the drain. As a result, I had to rip everything off from the Americans, Germans, etc. So my epithets are correct.
    1. 0
      5 October 2019 19: 49
      Well, no one canceled the historical process, so there was no special merit to tsarist Russia, especially since Vernadsky was financed privately by the Ryabushinskys, and not the tsarist government. And the nuclear program at the beginning of the century consisted of the possible great potential of using uranium, specifically the search for deposits, and there was no talk of a nuclear bomb.
      But in the USSR, Vernadsky was personally welcomed by Stalin. And according to his conviction, Stalin launched the nuclear program.
      We didn’t rip off anything abroad, and there were some materials that helped speed up the progress of the program, but we had our own technologies, and they later allowed us to be the first to create a hydrogen bomb. So your epithets are a consequence of propaganda. Now the West is intensively rewriting history to make everything look the way they want.
  67. 0
    5 October 2019 12: 44
    Yesterday I was flipping through the channels and somewhere I saw another meeting of the president with someone there, with his eternally sweet smile he was saying something about the education of creative individuals, and seven people were sitting next to him, this is the enemy of the education system - Fursenko, this is a supporter of the destruction of mathematical schools, Gref, this is Sakhipzadova, who knows about economics only what is scribbled in her work on targeting...at the same time, the guarantor recently saw some difficulties in medicine, economics and demography, but no one will open their eyelids to our education, so here he sits talks nonsense surrounded by personally devoted looters. Happy Teacher's Day to everyone who works with children and not with papers
    1. +1
      5 October 2019 20: 10
      Image is everything, the rest is not important.
      I am also amazed by these test matches with zero and negative results. They drip on the brain, and you look at the cart just standing there - the capitalists are getting richer, and the citizens are getting poorer under the constant rhetoric about a wonderful future.
      Some kind of sur.
  68. +1
    5 October 2019 15: 31
    Vova and Dima's politics in action... No. recourse request sad
    Only after their departure from power will we learn EVERYTHING about these heirs of Yeltsin... am
  69. 0
    5 October 2019 20: 45
    Quote: Campanella
    Image is everything, the rest is not important.
    I am also amazed by these test matches with zero and negative results. They drip on the brain, and you look at the cart just standing there - the capitalists are getting richer, and the citizens are getting poorer under the constant rhetoric about a wonderful future.
    Some kind of sur.

    Well, yes, for 15 years at the helm, Stalin was still planning to start a nuclear program)) and developed genetics with a bald head. Go ahead and write then that everything is thanks to the father of nations. With capitalism, nonsense would not be flogged better. It is immediately clear that there is no understanding of what the state is and how it works. Otherwise they wouldn’t be talking nonsense about monarchists and liberals. The degree of social orientation of the state does not depend on this. At least read Plato's dialogues or something. Educate yourself, understand that running around like a macaque and showing everyone your red butt is bad manners. It is clear that in the end, in a market economy, the Sharikovs realized that it was easier to take everything away again and divide it, than to become professionals and earn a living through hard work. But there are not enough resources for everyone. The descendants of Stalin's ball-bearers from the 20s privatized enterprises in the 90s, but nothing will happen to you, they will not share.
  70. 0
    6 October 2019 08: 31
    Previously, they taught children, now they provide educational services..Feel the difference..Ugh, damn it..
  71. -1
    6 October 2019 17: 50
    You cannot step into the same river twice. It will not be possible to go back to the Soviet education system. Both students and teachers became different. An attempt to go back will lead to an even greater complication of the current situation. You can only move forward. The main goal is the transition to individual education. I gave an idea of ​​how this can be done on my page “The main task in the field of education” on Facebook and Vkontakte.
    1. 0
      6 October 2019 19: 32
      https://www.facebook.com/Главная-задача-в-сфере-образования-955032041201649/
    2. 0
      8 October 2019 10: 30
      Maybe. First, “over the knee and in half,” then everything will return to normal. A simple example is Ukraine, where they forcefully instilled hatred towards part of one people.
  72. 0
    6 October 2019 18: 14
    The demoniac's hopes came true.
    1. 0
      6 October 2019 18: 43
      I think/hope/believe that his hopes did not come true, and the current situation is an “age-related disease of right-wing in socialism” (by analogy with Lenin’s work “infantile disease of left-wing in communism”). The country had to get over it and it did, at least in the mental (i.e. mental) plane. The pendulum of public opinion has clearly swung to the left.
      1. +1
        8 October 2019 10: 32
        I don’t understand, is it you who call the current full-blown capitalism, with Byzantine-feudal governance, the right deviation of socialism?
  73. +1
    7 October 2019 13: 26
    Tolstoy’s words are hopelessly outdated - now not only the state, but also its enemies equally have access to the “brains” of the population. Therefore, what matters now is not education as such, much less the exact sciences, but correctly instilled values.
  74. +1
    7 October 2019 14: 26

    Only by initiatives and privately!

    https://stalins-bukvar.ru
  75. +1
    8 October 2019 10: 25
    The conclusion is correct and the proposals are sensible. Will they give it? First, capitalism needs to be kicked to the ground. How and with whom? With these schoolchildren and students today? Revolutions are made by youth. How old were Golikov-Gaidar and N. Ostrovsky when they chopped up the hare? It's a vicious circle.
  76. 0
    8 October 2019 13: 39
    I agree on many things. If “the space race was won at the school desk,” then the agony of society begins with the “agony of school.” The question is more than serious. A question of survival.
    If, in the absence of ideology, we are not able to give the student a broad understanding of life, then we need to give basic moral categories and elementary knowledge and methods of work.
    Let's explain to children in simple civil language the Ten Commandments, as well as everything that we consider moral from world religions and why it is necessary. By filling a child’s mind with spiritual categories, at least we won’t make mistakes and any demonic behavior won’t be sucked into this vacuum. The phrase is known - “Mercy is a priest’s word,” but how it raises a person in his own eyes, so that it is no longer possible to lower himself. Let's add more “priestly words” to school, especially since we have a large number of examples of each such word in literature, history and life.
    Let's explain to them in simple words and deeds what it means to “earn bread by the sweat of your brow”, that you need to live like a human being and maintain cleanliness and order around you and within yourself; that you need to respect yourself; do not do anything shameful; how to respect elders who, with their labor, created everything around them, and can give wise advice at a critical moment; how and why we need to help the weak; how to treat children, younger ones; how to protect yourself from sin; what it means to love and why everything in the world rests on love; how to understand your purpose and how to follow it; why do we need to study mathematics, physics, history, literature and biology; why there is no “extra” knowledge; how to acquire knowledge yourself; what is most important in any study; what most importantly determines a person’s destiny; how to shape your destiny; how to make choices in life; why you have to die yourself, but help out your comrade; how to live and work in a team; how to lead and how to obey; where to start any work and how to finish it; how to plan your life, activities, free time and how and with what you need to help your parents and team; how to interact with the state, the rights and responsibilities of a citizen; how to protect yourself, your loved ones and your country.
  77. +1
    8 October 2019 22: 47
    Great article, Alexander!
    As the husband of an elementary school teacher, I will add that teachers do not “turn a blind eye to everything that happens.” They sabotage all innovations and directives as best they can, trying to teach basic lessons (Russian, mathematics, reading) instead of various crap. They take great risks, violating the approved program and rules, but their forces are unequal in the battle with the “education system” (in which there are no Images). If they find out about this, they will be fired. Yes, the classrooms are already full of children with mental disabilities and mental retardation. There are so many of them that it is impossible, as before, to “segregate” them into separate classes. And my wife, having worked at school for many years, is horrified to note the trend of a constant increase in mental abnormalities with each new set of first-graders. Our country is sliding towards total debilitation.
    I can also recommend 2 articles on VO on topic
    "Soviet school for British education" https://topwar.ru/153368-britanskoe-obrazovanie-amp-sovetskaja-shkola.html
    The Stalin Primer and the Future of Russia" https://topwar.ru/139973-chto-to-ne-tak-s-obrazovaniem-ili-zachem-nam-stalinskiy-bukvar.html
  78. 0
    9 October 2019 06: 29
    Speaking of education as the key to critical thinking. If you try to find the original source of this quote

    The Soviet school became the best in the world! In the 1960s, D. Kennedy said:
    “Soviet education is the best in the world. The USSR won the space race for the school desk. "


    you won't find it. As well as at least specific data about where, when and under what circumstances Kennedy allegedly said it.

    Although it is worth noting that Kennedy actually spoke complimentarily about Soviet education. For example, his phrase from "FACE-TO-FACE, NIXON-KENNEDY" VICE PRESIDENT RICHARD M. NIXON AND SENATOR JOHN F. KENNEDY FOURTH JOINT TELEVISION-RADIO BROADCAST, OCTOBER 21, 1960

    I didn't say we had the worst education in the world. What I said was that 10 years ago, we were producing twice as many scientists and engineers as the Soviet Union, and today they're producing twice as many as we are and that this affects our security around the world.
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  80. 0
    9 October 2019 22: 20
    The article only reflects 50% of reality. Or it doesn’t reflect who is more comfortable. I declare this because I am the father of 8 (eight) children. And I know firsthand how and what my children live with.
    Yes, the level of education has fallen. But not as sharply as stated. I remember my school, our “cool” kids, shaking change from the pockets of the younger ones. Those who cannot solve a quadratic equation, or write even a sentence correctly, or express the simplest thought coherently.
    But today, violence and hooliganism, at least in my former school, where my children now study, are completely absent. Yes, there is childish infantilism, immaturity, but there is no aggression in today's boys. Well, or several times less than in my childhood. Yes, iPhones greatly inhibit creativity, yes, most children are unable to make “pestles” from scrap materials and run around the gardens in a gang, playing “war games”, etc.
    And instead of mathematics and literature lessons, most of the time when doing homework is devoted to all sorts of “projects”, “scientific” works and other nonsense. Sometimes they stay until midnight.
    But excuse me, the older generation, which prevails in the comments here. In terms of literacy and spelling, my children are probably ahead of you.
  81. 0
    10 October 2019 03: 46
    For those interested, look at the information about the Russian Classical School - RKSH (not to be confused with Classical Conversations). The program was developed on the basis of pre-revolutionary and early Soviet methods (Ushinsky, Pchelko). Many people choose it for family education, or gather in small groups, such as family classes. As long as our laws allow children to be taught in a family format, this is a real way out of the situation.
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    10 October 2019 15: 56
    Hitler tried to destroy the Soviet school, but Putin, the head of the occupation administration, destroyed it.
  83. 0
    12 October 2019 12: 32
    The author correctly points out a number of vices of the current school. But I cannot completely agree with the “pathogenesis” and the means of treatment.
    The fundamental reason for the destruction of the Russian school is the dominance of liberal, pro-Western ideology in Russia. Total commercialization of Russian society and culture.
    Our country has become part of the Western world of the "golden calf" - a consumer society that leads to self-destruction and death of the entire planet and humanity.

    Look at the number of Nobel and Fleeds laureates in the countries of the “golden calf”. How much money has been poured into fundamental science, into culture, into restoration, into charity... This is all done on bourgeois Christian-liberal humanism. Western Christian volunteers, leftists, and eco-defenders are also a product of their education system. So, somehow they cope...
    “Total commercialization of Russian society and culture” is not the fault of the “lack of spirituality” of the West,
    but a consequence of the fact that having destroyed the traditional Christian way of life in 1917, and then in 1991 rejecting Soviet dogmas, we, as a society, remained “morally naked.” The “builders of capitalism,” from grandmothers who sold toadstools under the guise of edible mushrooms, to oligarchs, found themselves in a “moral vacuum.” Unlike the West, where Christian and bourgeois virtues, the spirit of community, the Protestant work ethic, and guild traditions dating back to the Middle Ages are still preserved.
    The Soviet school was the best in the world

    In some ways it was, but in others it wasn’t (see my detailed analysis, see the topic https://topwar.ru/160222-pora-vzjat-luchshee-iz-sistemy-sovetskogo-obrazovanija.html). In the 80s, there was no order in many secondary schools. The children behaved terribly. They brought teachers to hysterics and even fainting (2 cases in my memory). Unprotected by anyone, teachers often behaved unprofessionally: they snapped at insults, wrote bad marks on their foreheads in red ink, reproached their students for being “fatherless,” and transparently hinted at the “prostitute” future of the most arrogant girls (and they were partly right, some of them got screwed, died at 90 from drug addiction). An excellent mathematics teacher was brought to the point of assault by sticking darts made from sewing needles (!) into his butt and throwing stubs at him. While the intellectual did not beat off the insolent person. The teacher was ambushed by the brother of the “poor boy” and crippled. Good students up to the 8th grade constantly suffered from their own and vocational school punks.
    This is also the face of the Soviet school. It degraded along with the USSR (which, by the way, confirms that the collapse of the USSR was internal, systemic in nature, and was not just the result of “the machinations of the godless Latins”).
  84. 0
    26 July 2021 05: 36
    If everything is clear and understandable to everyone, including Vladimir Vladimirovich, about the state of education, then what is the point of carrying out all these unproductive and destructive reforms and innovations. I can’t help but remember Pavel Miliukov’s question many years ago: “Is this stupidity or treason?”

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