Russia will halve the number of manned flights to the ISS from 2020 year

Starting next year, Russia will halve the number of manned flights to the International Space Station. This decision was made against the backdrop of planned launches of the American spacecraft to the ISS. It is reported by RIA News with reference to the materials of the state corporation "Roskosmos".

The launch of American spacecraft to the ISS will halve the number of launches of Russian manned spacecraft. Instead of four, as was done in previous years, starting with 2009, Russia will send only two spacecraft to the ISS. According to the plans of Roscosmos, they will be sent into orbit in the second and fourth quarters. It is alleged that the number of transport ships will remain the same. Three launches of the Progress MS truck are planned for the 2020 year.

As you know, until recently, Russia was the only country with the ability to deliver astronauts to the ISS. However, starting in 2020, the United States plans to resume sending manned spacecraft to the ISS, discontinued in 2011. NASA is currently considering two spacecraft projects for orbiting - Crew Dragon - by SpaceX and Starliner - by Boeing. The decision will be made based on the test results.

Earlier it was reported that NASA suggested that Roscosmos cross-ship astronauts and astronauts to the ISS, providing for the inclusion of one foreign astronaut / astronaut in the crew. Such practice should strengthen confidence and cooperation between countries in space.

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[Vladimir16]

However, since 2020, the US plans to resume shipping

They have been planning for the second ten years.
And we are flying.
Now the sectarian comrades will tell about the mask about their idol, that he is the best, the farthest, the highest, etc. etc.
One black guy already ripped us to shreds.
He was replaced by a white tearing guy.

[Thrall]

NASA is considering two spacecraft projects for orbiting - Crew Dragon - by SpaceX and Starliner - by Boeing. The decision will be made based on the test results.

So the American letaki also need to be tested?
Well, it's a long time
Moreover, after such "anomalies":

[Vladimir16]

And why feel something?
They flied to the moon just once.
Experienced by those who do not know how.

They do not fly because of Trump. Waiting for an order from the President.
Trump scored into space. Give him the economy. Engaged in all kinds of nonsense.

Here they had a black guy for the head-hoof, he did not chew!
He would have ordered at once and the American detachment would have already flown to the stars in the American ship.

But they (the Americans) launched the car into space! And no one else could launch a machine into space !!!!!

[Civil]

Now Rogozin’s fans will come running and tell you that Western gays have no astronautics, that everything has rotted. Elon Musk draws cartoons about launches.

[Thrall]

Ilon has the most beautiful rocket!

[jjj]

They have no ship .. On the "Dragon" the rescue system is liquid. It is heptyl and an oxidizing agent. Should work in 0,1 sec. But this is not possible with liquids. Water hammer, destruction and explosion occur. They were going to redesign by May 2020. Then the tests.
In general, "Dragon" is called "Hipster Design" among engineers. It is now a death capsule. But a lot of people who are alien to the laws of physics, consider this pepelats an outstanding achievement. Although NASA itself already thinks differently

[abrakadabre]

On the "Dragon" the rescue system is liquid.

A bottle of whiskey chtol? Type, finally.

[Vadim237]

As if the rescue system should work constantly, in the Union for 36 years it was only turned on twice, the Dragon lands on parachutes, there are no problems with them.

[jjj]

The rescue system takes the ship away from the missile in the event of an emergency. At Soyuz, this system is solid fuel. For the sake of saving weight, the Americans decided to use standard heptyl landing engines. And - a fiasco.
And another thing is that in this design of the ship they can not place additional equipment

[Maxwrx]

read the report for nasa about this explosion and do not carry snowstorm from rent

[jjj]

What's in the report? Destruction of the check valve in the oxidizer system? This is a water hammer. As a result, the oxidizer mixed with the fuel. And an explosion. With "Dragon" the Americans were captivated by the idea of ​​design. They will have to invent a new ship

[Maxwrx]

They reworked this valve and a similar accident is ruled out. This year there will be 1 more test, at the beginning of the next manned. NASA is a very conservative player, they would not risk their lives if the ship is not brought to mind. So their fuel scheme is working.

[Maxwrx]

And by the way, there is a Boeing starliner. Is it kind of solid fuel? They will fly too soon

[Gnefredov]

The most beautiful rocket is the R-7. Yes, yes, the same

[orionvitt]

Nobody has flown on an American rocket in the last ten years. So bite your tongues and say gop when it jumps. In the meantime, Only Russia serves.

[keeper03]

Well, it's time to get the trampolines ?! What will the "respected" Mr. D. Rogozin say ?!

[NordOst16]

Well, nothing, the rockets he doesn’t fly, do not land, it remains to wait until the spacecraft fly not only with cargo, but also with the astronauts.

[Vladimir16]

Wait.

And Russian missiles and ships are certainly worse than American ones. Right?
It is simply a temporary phenomenon that on Russian ships everyone flies into space. Right?
Cocacola and chewing gum are still American and jeans and a Mac and a Windows.

But Rogozin destroyed everything, sawed everything, drilled holes in the ships ...
What else has he done that you don’t want to eat?

[NordOst16]

Quote: Vladimir16

Wait.

Well, we have been waiting for a long time that nothing will come out of Mask, like some Ukrainians are destroying the Crimean bridge. And before that, the impossibility of its construction.

Quote: Vladimir16

And Russian missiles and ships are certainly worse than American ones. Right?

The old ones retire, and the new Angara has very vague commercial prospects, Union 5 is in the plans, and heavy rocket launcher in the even more distant plans.

Quote: Vladimir16

It is simply a temporary phenomenon that on Russian ships everyone flies into space. Right?

That everything is yes, for the Americans are sawing their own alternative and something tells me that they will finish it before our ship Federation.

Quote: Vladimir16

Cocacola and chewing gum are still American and jeans and a Mac and a Windows.

And also stable electronics due to the lack of production and purchase opportunities which we have a good part of the programs fail (the same new generation of Glonass satellites). Rather, we can produce part, but some critical components are not. Well and the main thing - financing which does not go to any comparison with Nasa.

Quote: Vladimir16

But Rogozin destroyed everything, sawed everything, drilled holes in the ships ...
What else has he done that you don’t want to eat?

Well, Rogozin is neither the first nor the last on the list. Especially if you look at our achievements and the achievements of decaying capitalism. But no one will find out who drilled holes because they said that secret information. Apparently they do not want to set up the hated Americans.

So everything is sad in our cosmic realm.

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Quote: NordOst16

Quote: Vladimir16

Wait.

Well, wait a long time

Waiting for?

Quote: NordOst16

Quote: Vladimir16

And Russian missiles and ships are certainly worse than American ones. Right?

The old ones retire, and the new Angara has very vague commercial prospects, Union 5 is in the plans, and heavy rocket launcher in the even more distant plans.

The Angara rocket has been completed, is undergoing testing, and Soyuz-2 has excellent commercial prospects, which has already been proven many times. Soyuz-5 has already started production. A "heavy" carrier flies on October 8th.

Quote: NordOst16

Quote: Vladimir16

It is simply a temporary phenomenon that on Russian ships everyone flies into space. Right?

That everything is yes, for the Americans are sawing their own alternative and something tells me that they will finish it before our ship Federation.

PTK NP is a ship for flights to the Moon. Soyuz MS has been flying to the station for many years.

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Quote: Vladimir16

Cocacola and chewing gum are still American and jeans and a Mac and a Windows.

And also stable electronics due to the lack of production and purchase opportunities which we have a good part of the programs fail (the same new generation of Glonass satellites). Rather, we can produce part, but some critical components are not. Well and the main thing - financing which does not go to any comparison with Nasa.

What "good part of the programs" do we fail? Launch of the next satellite "Glonass-M" in November.

Quote: NordOst16

So everything is sad in our cosmic realm.

Rave?

[NordOst16]

Quote: slipped

Waiting for?

Haters?

Quote: slipped

Angara rocket done

Here are just questions there are on its profitability. And she, as I read, does not seem very profitable against the background of Mask missiles.

Quote: slipped

"Soyuz-5" production has already begun

Only individual items and rather as a check.
Yes, I was mistaken, by heavy launch vehicle I meant super-heavy launch vehicle.

Quote: slipped

PTK NP is a ship for flights to the Moon. Soyuz MS has been flying to the station for many years.

The Federation is also being developed to replace Progress and Alliances. Apparently not everything suits the old ships.

Quote: slipped

What "good part of the programs" do we fail? Launch of the next satellite "Glonass-M" in November.

I’m talking about more advanced Glonass-K satellites that should have provided higher accuracy.
Now there are big delays in putting into orbit communication satellites (Messenger), meteorological satellites (Meteor), and these delays can well be associated with sanctions

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Quote: NordOst16

Quote: slipped

Waiting for?

Haters?

No. Pragmatists.

Quote: NordOst16

Quote: slipped

Angara rocket done

Here are just questions there are on its profitability. And she, as I read, does not seem very profitable against the background of Mask missiles.

Do you have questions personally? There are already commercial orders for the Angara rocket. The first will be implemented in the year 2021.

Quote: NordOst16

Quote: slipped

"Soyuz-5" production has already begun

Only individual items and rather as a check.
Yes, I was mistaken, by heavy launch vehicle I meant super-heavy launch vehicle.

What are the "separate elements"? We will have engine burns on the stand as part of a stage already next year.

Quote: NordOst16

Quote: slipped

PTK NP is a ship for flights to the Moon. Soyuz MS has been flying to the station for many years.

The Federation is also being developed to replace Progress and Alliances. Apparently not everything suits the old ships.

No, not to replace Progress and Soyuz. Firstly, no one is going to replace Progress MS TGK, on ​​the contrary, they are going to be supplemented with a new commercial TGK Argo. Secondly, the Soyuz MS spacecraft is a "rescue ship" for the ISS. And "Eagle" is a spacecraft for outer space outside the earth's orbit.

Quote: NordOst16

Quote: slipped

What "good part of the programs" do we fail? Launch of the next satellite "Glonass-M" in November.

I’m talking about more advanced Glonass-K satellites that should have provided higher accuracy.

Satellites "Glonass-K" No. 701 and No. 702 are now undergoing tests and work as part of today's constellation, and the first one is already 8 and a half years old. In addition, at the final stage of assembly, there are two more new K-series vehicles that fly when the Glonass-M vehicles run out in the ground reserve. The Glonass-K series, after the launch of several devices in the coming years, will be replaced by an even more advanced Glonass-K2 series, the first satellite of which has already been assembled.

Quote: NordOst16

Now there are big delays with the launch of communication satellites (Gonets)

New satellites "Messenger" are ready for a long time and are in storage. The delay in their launch is associated with the Rokot missile, more precisely, with its Briz-M upper stage, since it uses foreign-made components that are now difficult to obtain. Therefore, the operation of this carrier is terminated - the last "Rokot" with the "Messenger" satellites flies in the fall. Accordingly, a decision was made to temporarily replace the Rokot carrier in a couple of subsequent launches of the Messengers with the Soyuz-2.1b carrier, the payload of which will consist not only of the Messengers, but also other vehicles.

Quote: NordOst16

meteorological satellites (Meteor)

Another satellite "Meteor" was launched in July this year. The next one is flying according to plan next year.

[NordOst16]

Quote: slipped

Do you have questions personally? There are already commercial orders for the Angara rocket. The first will be implemented in the year 2021.

All was looking for information about this, but could not find.

Quote: slipped

What are the "separate elements"? We will have engine burns on the stand as part of a stage already next year.

From testing an engine to an operational rocket is not such a small way. It took 4 years for Angara (the first launch was in 2014), and before active use, another two years will pass after the first launch. And now I'm afraid that by that time the Americans will roll out something better. And the concept of return stages does not look so bad and it is quite possible that it will turn out to be cheaper than traditional launch vehicles.

Quote: slipped

No, not to replace Progress and Soyuz. Firstly, no one is going to replace Progress MS TGK, on ​​the contrary, they are going to be supplemented with a new commercial TGK Argo. Secondly, the Soyuz MS spacecraft is a "rescue ship" for the ISS. And "Eagle" is a spacecraft for outer space outside the earth's orbit.

They plan to do Argo only by 2024, and there, as always, the dates will go. And about the Eagle, I see everywhere that they want to make it universal both for the Earth’s orbit and for traveling to the Moon.

Quote: slipped

Satellites "Glonass-K" No. 701 and No. 702 are now undergoing tests and work as part of today's constellation, and the first one is already 8 and a half years old. In addition, at the final stage of assembly, there are two more new K-series vehicles that fly when the Glonass-M vehicles run out in the ground reserve. The Glonass-K series, after the launch of several devices in the coming years, will be replaced by an even more advanced Glonass-K2 series, the first satellite of which has already been assembled.

Apparently I read about Glonass-K2 that these satellites were cut by sanctions because they wanted to replace the old satellites, but they managed to collect only one device and therefore they replenish the satellite constellation with the Glonass-K series devices. And already Glonass-K2 and replace the port.

Quote: slipped

New satellites "Messenger" are ready for a long time and are in storage. The delay in their launch is associated with the Rokot missile, more precisely, with its Briz-M upper stage, since it uses foreign-made components that are now difficult to obtain. Therefore, the operation of this carrier is terminated - the last "Rokot" with the "Messenger" satellites flies in the fall. Accordingly, a decision was made to temporarily replace the Rokot carrier in a couple of subsequent launches of the Messengers with the Soyuz-2.1b carrier, the payload of which will consist not only of the Messengers, but also other vehicles.

Well, at least it's gratifying to hear.

Quote: slipped

Another satellite "Meteor" was launched in July this year. The next one is flying according to plan next year.

It seems to be late in terms though. Already by 2019 or by 2020 there should have been 4 satellites in orbit.

Well, I want to write about the annoying news that they did not give out frequencies for satellite Internet (OneWeb) and that we do not participate in the creation of this satellite constellation (((

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Quote: NordOst16

Quote: slipped

Do you have questions personally? There are already commercial orders for the Angara rocket. The first will be implemented in the year 2021.

All was looking for information about this, but could not find.

Launch of South Korean "KOMPSAT-6" on A1.2

Quote: NordOst16

Quote: slipped

What are the "separate elements"? We will have engine burns on the stand as part of a stage already next year.

From testing an engine to an operational rocket is not such a small way. It took 4 years for Angara (the first launch was in 2014), and before active use, another two years will pass after the first launch.

And what does "Angara" have to do with it? It took her 4 years to transfer serial production to Omsk. No one is going to transfer the production of the Irtysh LV anywhere, and its first launch depends on the readiness of the launch at Baikonur.

Quote: NordOst16

And now I'm afraid that by that time the Americans will roll out something better. And the concept of return stages does not look so bad and it is quite possible that it will turn out to be cheaper than traditional launch vehicles.

"I'm afraid maybe ..." Are you an X-ray CT specialist? Or PR read on the net?

Quote: NordOst16

They plan to do Argo only by 2024, and there, as always, the dates will go. And about the Eagle, I see everywhere that they want to make it universal both for the Earth’s orbit and for traveling to the Moon.

No. It is planned for the ISS only as part of flight design tests. Why use such a heavy ship, which is ~ 20 tons in standard configuration, as a "taxi" for LEO? Soyuz MS is completely sufficient. And the new THC is off yet.

Quote: NordOst16

Apparently I read about Glonass-K2 that these satellites were cut by sanctions because they wanted to replace the old satellites, but they managed to collect only one device and therefore they replenish the satellite constellation with the Glonass-K series devices. And already Glonass-K2 and replace the port.

Now there are Glonass-M devices in reserve. After their exhaustion, the first Glonass-K2 flies within the framework of its LKI. Then "Glonass-K" fly, then "Glonass-K2" and "Glonass-VKK".

Quote: NordOst16

Well, at least it's gratifying to hear.

It all depends on the readiness of the last "Breeze-KM", they can postpone it to December.

Quote: NordOst16

Quote: slipped

Another satellite "Meteor" was launched in July this year. The next one is flying according to plan next year.

It seems to be late in terms though. Already by 2019 or by 2020 there should have been 4 satellites in orbit.

There are now three satellites in orbit. One new one was lost during the first launch of the Fregat RB from Vostochny, as a result of an annoying hidden error in the program in the BKU, which had worked perfectly for over 10 years, which was revealed in this test launch from the Vostochny near RB.

Quote: NordOst16

Well, I want to write about the annoying news that they did not give out frequencies for satellite Internet (OneWeb) and that we do not participate in the creation of this satellite constellation (((

Those. launch of the first six OneWeb satellites on the Soyuz-28STB rocket from the MCC in Kura this year on February 2, how would it not be considered? Don't worry - on December 19 we have 34 OneWeb satellites flying on Soyuz from Baikonur.

[NordOst16]

Well, then it’s not so bad as I thought

[Teberii]

And what is there to plan when they still fly on our engines. And launches of other projects fail.

[donavi49]

Well, that’s not true. Only one serial US rocket flies on RD = Atlas5.

В 2019 year of 19 completed launches only 1 Atlas. And 2 in the plans until the end of the year. All other carriers on other engines, theirs. Expensive, but they can afford to run Deltas per 3-4 per year. Plus two launch vehicles on the way - methane Volcano and Omega from Northrop-Orbital.

[Vladimir16]

Quote: donavi49

on other engines theirs

Nah .. - theirs.
Their engines have always been theirs.
Their movers of their astronauts have been sent to space more than once.

[sniperino]

Quote: Vladimir16

Nah .. - their

I would also consider the option of theirs.

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Quote: donavi49

Well, that’s not true. Only one serial US rocket flies on RD = Atlas5.

We forgot about Antares

[donavi49]

Well, that’s different. And there are problems with him, or rather, with production. And there are no new missile orders and most likely will not be. Run the NASA launch and retirement program. Actually Antares and nailed poor Orbital . They hoped to carry satellites on it - and expensive, no one ordered.

However, even if we take Antares that of 19 launches - whole 2 in 2019 year, somehow at least you can pick up on Russian engines.

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Quote: donavi49

Well, that’s different.

what does "other" mean? Are RD-181 engines sold in the USA? Sold. As well as RD-180. By the way "Swan" is flying again soon.

[donavi49]

Not quite for sale. Rather, sold. Engines have already been delivered to the program in the USA. New deliveries - only if there is a contract for the withdrawal of the payload. What will not happen because I decided to launch a market rocket. Together with Orbital.

Now Northrop who bought them is pushing Omega - already burned at the stand (albeit with accidents), scheduled flight in 21 year. Engines of all stages and boosters made in USA.

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Quote: donavi49

Not quite for sale. Rather, sold. Engines have already been delivered to the program in the USA.

The supply of engines, under existing contracts, is another two years.

Quote: donavi49

New deliveries - only if there is a contract for the withdrawal of the payload. What will not happen because I decided to launch a market rocket. Together with Orbital.
Now Northrop who bought them is pushing Omega - already burned at the stand (albeit with accidents), scheduled flight in 21 year. Engines of all stages and boosters made in USA.

We do not launch American missiles. We make engines to order. There will be other customers.

[donavi49]

Orbital when bought Northprom reported that it has engines for the entire Antares launch program and they do not need additional purchases to fulfill the ISS supply contract.

As for other customers for Antares - you can even argue that it will not. For they were not at the stage of active promotion of the rocket itself Orbital. Now, the status has changed to fulfill the NASA contract with the lowest costs of the company and bury.

By the way, they won Pegasus - which in 2017 was supposed to fly with a NASA contract load, now they decided to launch it. Close this contract. It will probably be the last launched Pegasus.

As for other engine customers - not in the USA. They now have a lot of missiles in development and all on their own or common engines (such as the methane BE-4 for the Volcano from Yul and their own launch vehicle from Bezos). There are no media under development under the taxiway.

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Quote: donavi49

Orbital when bought Northprom reported that it has engines for the entire Antares launch program and they do not need additional purchases to fulfill the ISS supply contract.

Most likely, this meant an additional contract beyond the previously concluded.

Quote: donavi49

As for other engine customers - not in the USA. They now have a lot of missiles in development and all on their own or common engines (such as the methane BE-4 for the Volcano from Yul and their own launch vehicle from Bezos). There are no media under development under the taxiway.

After the completion of the contract for the supply of RD-180 for Atlas-5 after 2022, these engines will be produced for the Amur rocket (Soyuz-6). In addition, active negotiations are underway with various foreign customers for the supply of other engines.

[Blackmokona]

Mask rockets have always flown on their Marlins

[dmitrii1885]

these are some failures. Facts, Not Foolishness

[Leeds]

Quote: dmitrii1885

these are some failures. Facts, Not Foolishness

Another person thinks for him. The talking head only repeats what is being promoted. And the facts are needed only when something happens with a negative connotation for us, and then it will be “fake”.

[dmitrii1885]

“They have been planning for the second ten years already.” - And in my opinion, the article says in black and white that they stopped launches in 2011, in my opinion someone is making a mistake, and it seems like it's you!

[Vladimir16]

Do not fly since 2011. And this is a fact that does not require confirmation by this article.
They plan more than a dozen years.
They have been planning and building rockets and ships for many decades.
These are different actions to fly and plan.

First, a person plans, then creates, and only then uses the created.

Idio.y act differently.

Americans bastards are over, but do not go.

Watch your tongue, Dima.

[dmitrii1885]

if necessary, I can quote your entire message. it clearly says what you mean by that. I corrected. and then who is the bastard, and who is the lamb of heaven, I do not want to discuss, because everything always comes down to this.

[GRIGORIY76]

Of course, he got excited about shreds, but incomes of citizens of about 5 years do not grow, and taxes grow.

[qQQQ]

Quote: Vladimir16

They have been planning for the second ten years.
And we are flying.

When everything comes to an end, especially when nothing is done. For good, the money earned from the United States, it was not necessary to steal, but to invest in the creation of new ships, then it would be good, and so, there is nothing new, only Rogozin's tales.

[kjhg]

Quote: Vladimir16

Now the sectarian comrades will tell about the mask about their idol, that he is the best, the farthest, the highest, etc. etc.

How propaganda litter people's brains, horror! You, if not in the subject, then at least would climb ahead of everyone with your propaganda cries

[Super]

You do not touch Trump, liberalist and Russophobe. TrumpOur!

[Azazelo]

Well, they still burn people in the atmosphere. The main thing is ours.

[vadimtt]

You did not read - "NASA proposed to Roscosmos the cross-dispatch of cosmonauts and astronauts to the ISS, which provides for the inclusion of one foreign astronaut / cosmonaut in the crew of the spacecraft. This practice should strengthen trust and cooperation between countries in space."
So ours can be. But no one seemed to forbid giving up such happiness.

[lwxx]

Interestingly, the Americans have CAC. On the "Apollo" it seemed like it was, but somehow everything is dull. If not, then ours have nothing to do on theirs. Let the dog or the kitty be there first.

[rocket757]

Is this a topic or not a topic for discussion?
next plans with which it is not clear how it will go.

[Livonetc]

This is quite a topic.
Roscosmos plans, and this means, first of all, production planning.
To make such a decision, solid arguments are needed, which means for Roscosmos they are.

[rocket757]

Quote: Livonetc

Roscosmos plans, and this means, first of all, production planning.

“This is understandable, this is correct. It’s just natural doubts that the plans will be fulfilled.
The main thing is that if they did it, but did not then look for the extreme ones, why it was not done.

[Livonetc]

The Americans could well be a failure.
In this case, at an emergency pace, Roscosmos will begin production.
And since a rush, anything can happen, for example, the "story with holes" worries.
Tired of these cunning plans and understandings.
It is clear that all participants reached an agreement and decided to hide the reasons from society.
After 70 years, the fingerboard will be removed. :)
The main thing is that such topics do not become serial.

[rocket757]

Quote: Livonetc

The Americans could well be a failure.

There is such a danger !!! making plans hoping for someone from the outside is risky.

[sniperino]

Quote: rocket757

Quote: Livonetc

The Americans could well be a failure.

There is such a danger !!! making plans hoping for someone from the outside is risky.

Moreover, failure is in the most uncomfortable place for our space program for us. Then they will still collect money to repair the Failure: in Pyatigorsk this already happened.

[rocket757]

Quote: sniperino

Moreover, failure is in our most uncomfortable place for us

A failure everywhere is uncomfortable ... just somewhere we no longer expect another, but somewhere else we hope to see the movement even if it were not in place!

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Livonetc

To make such a decision, solid arguments are needed, which means for Roscosmos they are.

that is, you also categorically believe that in 2025 Roscosmos landed on the moon?

[Livonetc]

Alexander.
What does your question have to do with this article and my comments?
This article is about planning launches to the ISS.
I prefer logic.
Let's look at the state of things.
Initially, for the year 20, 4 launches of ships with a crew are planned.
The American side said that in 2020, out of 4 launches with crew, two launches will be carried out by their production ships.
Accordingly, Roscosmos adjusts the production program for 2020.
The firm arguments for Roscosmos are the relevant statements of the partner.
Based on this statement, Roscosmos is amending its plans.

Distracted by the lyrics (that is, evading the discussion of the article), in fact, by the flood.
View from my belfry (personal, limited knowledge and life experience)
The possibility of landing on Lunev two options.
1. The possibility of a manned mission landing in the moon in 2025 seems extremely unlikely to me.
2. the possibility of a mission landing using automatic devices (for example, as part of a study with the distant goal of justifying a habitable base on the moon) seems quite possible.

In conclusion.
I am a Believer Orthodox Old Russian, extremely mixed ethnicity.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Livonetc

Distracted by the lyrics (that is, evading the discussion of the article), in fact, by the flood.
View from my belfry (personal, limited knowledge and life experience)
The possibility of landing on Lunev two options.
1. The possibility of a manned mission landing in the moon in 2025 seems extremely unlikely to me.
2. the possibility of a mission landing using automatic devices (for example, as part of a study with the distant goal of justifying a habitable base on the moon) seems quite possible.

this is not so much the lyrics as the very essence of the issue. I just wanted to clarify how much you have with yourself and others.
Yes, Roscosmos is adjusting its plans in connection with the US plans to independently deliver astronauts. normal process. but Roscosmos also publishes plans for the lunar program. why the first action is quite reasonable for you, but the second, in the same organization, "pfft, come on!"?

[bar]

Well, why isn’t it clear? At least Rogozin may well fulfill his part of the plan and reduce launches.

[bessmertniy]

The ISS must be expanded so that American plans do not interfere with our plans. Or Americans are going to start squeezing us out of space with such a cunning trick !?

[bar]

It is necessary to undock the Russian segment and transfer it to the autonomous region. At the same time, the stripes will stop going into our push, and there will be fewer holes in the skin.
What about Rogozin's "science" module?

[Letun]

Quote: Vladimir16

And we are flying.

Yes. Praise S.P. Korolev, as well as the scientific and industrial power of the Soviet Union. Even in spite of the efforts of the Rogozin trampolines, we fly.

[Roman070280]

True, we fly less and less ..
Trampolines slowly work out their bread, but they work out ..

[ultra]

Quote: Roman070280

Trampolines slowly work out their bread, but they work out ..

For that - "I love our plans huge ..."

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Quote: Roman070280

True, we fly less and less ..
Trampolines slowly work out their bread, but they work out ..

Less? three of our astronauts are now on the ISS.

[Glory1974]

But interestingly, we will also pay the Americans for the delivery of our astronauts to the ISS?

[lucul]

But interestingly, we will also pay the Americans for the delivery of our astronauts to the ISS?

After a year, the ISS - everything flies off ....

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Quote: lucul

After a year, the ISS - everything flies off ....

They are going to renew until the year 2028.

[Hog]

NASA proposed to Roscosmos the cross-dispatch of cosmonauts and astronauts to the ISS, providing for the inclusion of one foreign astronaut / cosmonaut in the ship's crew. This practice should strengthen trust and cooperation between countries in space.

[bar]

Hardly like the Americans to us. Everyone will fly on his own

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Quote: glory1974

But interestingly, we will also pay the Americans for the delivery of our astronauts to the ISS?

No.

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

The fact that the Americans will finally make their missiles is natural and expected. It’s just not very clear from the media publications, at what stage of construction are these missiles? In the media, some are "shouting" that astronauts are already flying on their vehicles, others are still only in "tests", and still others are political PR .... Does anyone know (preferably from official sources) to what extent American spacecraft are ready ?

[donavi49]

Missiles - serial and certified. 9ka and Atlas5.
Devices - at Mask in november aborttest in flight. If - a check. Then until the end of the year, flight to the ISS with crew. NASA's schedule is still up to the end of the year.

У Boeing lag in xnumx months. Until the end of the year unmanned Starliner’s flight to the ISS. Now the flight date is October 28. Already in 20 there will be a flyaborttest. And in the 20 year the crew.

[Lontus]

Quote: donavi49

If - a check. That is, until the end of the year, the flight to the ISS with the crew.

Haha !!
Do not believe this masked propagandist !!
Here are his past assurances:
2 February 2018 13: 50

Quote: donavi49

Well this year, two new spacecraft in an unmanned version will fly on the ISS - 100%.
From The Mask - Dragon-2
From Boeing - Starliner
...
Starliner with the crew (pictured) in November on the ISS, and Dragon until the end of the year. In any case (!!! lontus) - they now have a question already in this or the same next year.

After I ridiculed his clownish 100%, he reduced to still clowning 99,9%.
As a result, the earliest 2020.
Ignore his amateurish forecasts completely !!!

[Vladimir16]

From official sources:
- There are currently no American ships capable of delivering a man to the ISS.
At present, Russia is delivering people to the ISS.

Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal

To what degree are American spacecraft ready?

The patient is either alive or dead.

It is not possible to fly into space to a person on a ship who is not ready for flight.
The degree of readiness should be 100%.

The degree of readiness of 99% can last a year and two and ten years. And this degree does not allow you to send a person into space.

[jjj]

Two links. It is very interesting to watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMWbJQvUR3g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgB7xOCFt6Y

[Bshkaus]

The fact that the Americans will finally make their missiles is natural and expected. It’s just not very clear, from media publications, at what stage of construction are these missiles?

Why is it not clear? Recently, Dragon flew in an unmanned version, in the common people it is called a "technical experiment", if all the specified parameters are confirmed, then comes the "physiological", i.e. with astronauts on board or troubleshooting.
But the fact that

In the media, some "shout"

, then this is just the real foam that you should not pay attention to.
Fortunately, the Americans do not secret launches. The dragon is 95-98% ready, now it is being turned into a candy - this is about technology. What kind of childhood illnesses or shortcomings he has in the process of exploitation - only God knows: there may be corpses, and ordinary emergency situations, now there is such a state when everything conceived is embodied, and the mistakes have not yet been revealed. Yes, even if they open up, then our UAZ "Patriot" has been brought to mind for more than a dozen years, they cannot, however, this does not seriously interfere with its operation.

[Roman070280]

2 manned, and three transport ?? In a year..
Once, really Great Cosmic Power ..

[Livonetc]

Novel.
These are launches to the ISS.
If there are no additional tasks for launches to the ISS, why launch more often, for the soul?
There are other launches not related to the ISS.

[donavi49]

Well, then, and why more?

Protons - fly there according to the general program if that. The supply was just delivered well - 20 + tons of cargo are delivered per year (and if the Japanese barrel is still + 5-6 tons of cargo - but it does not fly every year).

Manned rests on rationality. No, you can change astronauts every month. But why?

Also in the Union it is relatively expensive to cook people. For it is necessary 2 person to fully control the ship to prepare and only 1 passenger-tourist. Both new ships of the Americans (and the Federation too) - only a 1 fully trained person is needed, the rest can have only basic fundamentals in case of which they do not participate in the control of the ship.

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Quote: donavi49

Well, then, and why more?

Protons - fly there according to the general program if that.

Protons on the ISS do not fly.

The number of cosmonauts on the ISS RS - 3 people. Two Soyuz MS spacecraft are enough to deliver the Russian crew to the station with a shift for six months.

[donavi49]

Well, I just sealed up - I meant Progress . Trucks under the ISS General Supply Program.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Roman070280

2 manned, and three transport ?? In a year..
Once, really Great Cosmic Power ..

Do you need more often? Go on a monthly shift, or what? Why is there a yard to arrange and throw money into the pipe (nozzle)?

[Masha]

something like this....

[thinker]

The decision will be made based on the test results.

But everything is already scheduled! It’s strange somehow.

http://astronaut.ru/register/shedule.htm

[Old26]

Quote: Teberii

And what is there to plan when they still fly on our engines. And launches of other projects fail.

On our engines, only a fifth of the starts. And unmanned ...

Quote: lucul

After a year, the ISS - everything flies off ....

As far as I remember, the ISS was planned to be used at least until 2024. Now it’s only 2019. So not in a year, but in at least 4

[Pacifist]

Such practice should strengthen confidence and cooperation between countries in space.

Hell no. This practice will make the risk of launching on an unverified technology common, and trust in this context is nonsense for journalists. Why the heck we need it, it's not at all clear.

[steelmaker]

Before inviting our cosmonauts to their Dragons, let them first fly 50 times and come back alive alive.

[Alexander X]

This is what Vladimir Voinovich wrote in his book "Soldier Ivan Chonkin 2", an excerpt from the story of an ardent anti-Soviet and ideological saboteur Zapyatayev, who harmed the Soviet state as best he could when he, as a production leader, was invited to a gathering of "foremost workers": "Everyone spoke the same language as me, everyone was doing what I did, that is, clearly and openly causing maximum damage to the case, which was led, while everyone was proud of their worker or peasant origin "...
"It reminds me vaguely ..." (c)

[Prisoner]

Let the astronauts fly first. Then we'll see.

[Lexus]

This decision was made

What, on a maple, solution ??? !!! The Americans sent Roskosmos in a forest, they did not pay the money, they presented it with a fact, and Rogozin made a "DECISION" to go where they sent it.

Russia will halve

At this pace, there will soon be nothing to reduce ...

[Rostislav]

Another "call for confidence"? Because of a puddle, from the most "exceptional"?
Isn't it funny?

[Alexander X]

Quote: Operator

Why are you dragging the feces of Russophobes from the standard pedigree onto VO (the mother of Voinovich is Revekka Kolmanovna Goikhman)

Experience, even enemies, but which can be directed to our advantage, must be taken into account ... In this case, the Russophobe Voinovich very aptly noticed and wrote about this in his book that some leaders in the USSR did just as much harm with their "shock" work , how much and a saboteur ... About this and a quote. Somehow the situation described in the book, in my opinion, resembles the paradoxes arising now in Russia: the manager is very effective, and the business for which he is responsible is more and more slipping ...

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Quote: Alexander X

and the business for which he is more and more stalled ...

And let's see the statistics:

From January to September 2018, Russia has 10 launched space rockets.
From January to September 2019, Russia has 18 launched space rockets.

An almost twofold increase in the number of starts. Misinform?

[Alexander X]

Quote: slipped

An almost twofold increase in the number of starts. Misinform?

Not at all. For example, what is there from the Vostochny cosmodromes -
Russian President Vladimir Putin said that so many problems have accumulated during the construction of the Vostochny cosmodrome in the Amur Region that they cannot be solved without his personal participation. (https://newstracker.ru/news/society/06-09-2019/putin-situatsiya-na-kosmodrome-vostochnyy-trebuet-uchastiya-prezidenta?ind=958)... But our president, in theory, should deal with other issues. IMHO, and to deal with the issues of the new cosmodrome, a special person has been assigned ... Am I wrong? etc.

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Quote: Alexander X

Quote: slipped

An almost twofold increase in the number of starts. Misinform?

Not at all. For example, what is there from the Vostochny cosmodromes?

And what about "from the Vostochny cosmodromes"?

1. At the end of August, missiles were delivered to MIK SK 1C for the next launches from this cosmodrome.

Their launch - according to the readiness of the payload, starting from the first quarter of next year.

2. The construction of the "second stage" of the cosmodrome, namely USK 1A under the Amur spacecraft, is underway.

3. Recently JSC "Uralkriomash" manufactured a batch of specialized containers for water supply to the launch pad USK 1A.

Quote: Alexander X

Russian President Vladimir Putin said that during the construction of the Vostochny cosmodrome in the Amur Region, so many problems had accumulated that they could not be solved without his personal participation.

So what is the construction level? A whole new city is being built in the taiga, with 25 inhabitants.

[Bshkaus]

They came up with a new term Rogozin fans
Just what I want to say to them, maybe it will finally reach some patriotic head that halving launches (which I wrote about many times) is a real halving of production. And if two times less work, then people’s salary is half as much, unless of course the same ones come in their place (including mine) Rogozin fans and will not start working for thanks and for the glory of the former USSR
Actually flags in their hands.

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Quote: Bshkaus

They came up with a new term Rogozin fans

think the term mask decoders better?

Quote: Bshkaus

Just what I want to say to them, maybe it will finally reach some patriotic head that halving launches (which I wrote about many times) is a real halving of production.

As it were, two launches of Soyuz MS per year - this is so in the ISS agreement. Four ships a year earlier - a commercial service to the Americans for their delivery to the station. In addition to "Soyuz MS", ZEM also produces "Progress MS" and something else.

Quote: Bshkaus

And if two times less work, then people’s salary is half as much, unless of course the same ones come in their place (including mine) Rogozin fans and will not start working for thanks and for the glory of the former USSR
Actually flags in their hands.

Oh oh And you do not cough.

[Bshkaus]

As it were, two launches of Soyuz MS per year - this is so in the ISS agreement. Four ships a year earlier - a commercial service to the Americans for their delivery to the station. In addition to "Soyuz MS", ZEM also produces "Progress MS" and something else.

Immediately the question is an edge: do you have a direct relationship to astronautics, or not?
Sorry, but you said complete nonsense, having absolutely no idea what a manned ship is and how production is generally arranged.
Progress is truck, it has always been and always will be, and it does not differ much from a freight car, while a manned ship, or if you like the metaphor the same as that a "modern passenger car", unlike a freight car, has windows on the walls, a fundamentally different type of spring suspension, internal equipment, life support systems starting from the "point", ending with "titanium on coals", and corny passenger shelves.
And all this for your information, is produced by different enterprises.
As you say, 2 PCs are 6 people, for whom you need to make 6 extra Kazbek seats, 6 extra Sokol-KV SC, 6 extra NAZ styling kits, etc. etc.
2PCs are two extra ACSs (I hope you already know thanks to the media what this is?), These are two extra CBOs (for the sake of interest, try to figure out what it is for yourself).
I am not talking about the ships themselves and the launch vehicles.
4-2 = 2, it seems to me that it is obvious to any sane person that reducing the order by half will automatically lead to a decrease in production by the same factor of two. To put it bluntly, a specific sector of the economy also automatically doubles.

and something else.

As I understand it, you're talking about trampolines: /

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Quote: Bshkaus

Sorry, but you said complete nonsense, having absolutely no idea what a manned ship is and how production is generally arranged.

Where are we already? In the agreement on the ISS - according to the quota from Russia, at least two ships per year, so it is required to ensure the presence of two "rescue ships" at the station and to carry out their rotation. The Soyuz MS spacecraft can stay in the station for up to 200 days. Therefore, two ships are enough for a Russian crew of three. And the Americans will walk to the station, if anything, since they have booked only one seat in the Soyuz MS-16 so far.

Quote: Bshkaus

Progress is truck, he always was and always will be, and it’s not much different from a freight car,

Hrenase freight wagon - with its coolant system in an airtight compartment, refueling station in an unpressurized and PAO with BKU. Lie, lie, don’t lie.

Quote: Bshkaus

And all this for your information, is produced by different enterprises.

Not everything and in the end everything is going to ZEM. What's wrong?

Quote: Bshkaus

As you say, 2 PCs are 6 people, for whom you need to make 6 extra Kazbek seats, 6 extra Sokol-KV SC, 6 extra NAZ styling kits, etc. etc. 2PK are two extra ACS (I hope you already know from the media what it is?), These are two extra CBO (for the sake of interest, try to figure out what it is). I'm not talking about the ships and launch vehicles themselves.

And what does the pH have to do with it? They are going to another enterprise. Moreover, now the carrier is unifying. One type of missile for both cargo and manned launches.

Quote: Bshkaus

4-2 = 2, it seems to me that it is obvious to any sane person that reducing the order by half will automatically lead to a decrease in production by the same factor of two. To put it bluntly, a specific sector of the economy also automatically doubles.

Cool you think. Three classes of parish Ukrainian?

Quote: Bshkaus

As I understand it, you're talking about trampolines: /

So the Americans have been buying tickets for our ships for the fifth year, so as not to use their trampolines Enough for you?

[Bshkaus]

Honestly, I am already reading your second comment and I understand that this is a complete "vinaigrette", I threw everything into one heap without even figuring out what's what. You are about Thomas, you are about Erema.

The Soyuz MS spacecraft can stay in the station for up to 200 days.

Thanks I'll know.
Then the last question, although you still haven't answered the first one.
The next time I fill out the product passport, I write "180 days from the date of preparation" (about 1,5 months before launch) in the expiration date, or set "200 days from the date of docking, according to slipped's comment from 03.10.2019. XNUMX?)))

[slipped]

Quote: Bshkaus

Honestly, I am already reading your second comment and I understand that this is a complete "vinaigrette", I threw everything into one heap without even figuring out what's what. You are about Thomas, you are about Erema.

Do not be apologetic, you all perfectly understood. After the launch of the remaining three ISS RS modules, the number of Soyuz MS produced will increase due to short-term visiting expeditions.

Quote: Bshkaus

Thanks I'll know.

Well Duc - "Soyuz MS-13" according to plan - 170 days from launch to landing.

Quote: Bshkaus

The next time I fill out the product passport, I write "180 days from the date of preparation" (about 1,5 months before launch) in the expiration date, or set "200 days from the date of docking, according to slipped's comment from 03.10.2019. XNUMX?)))

Are you experiencing product No. 2? then write.

[Bshkaus]

After the launch of the remaining three ISS RS modules, the number of Soyuz MS produced will increase due to short-term visiting expeditions.

When it increases, I completely agree, although not a fact: it is more economical to send on long expeditions. But I'm talking about "here and now", ours are planning 2 launches per year, the rest as the minibus is full, and this is already difficult to do because "Another horseman" is already parking his gazelle nearby and invites you in the same way.

Are you experiencing product No. 2?

, no, CBO.

Soyuz MS-13 according to plan - 170 days from launch to landing

You see, in the course of a reasoned dispute we came to a completely different period of 30 days;)
And if you are related to Product No. 2, then it’s not for me to tell you what it means to extend the shelf life by at least 5 days, how resource tests are carried out and solutions are written, and most importantly, how all this is explained to the representatives of the EP (((

[slipped]

Quote: Bshkaus

When it increases, I completely agree, although not a fact: it is more economical to send on long expeditions. But I'm talking about "here and now", ours are planning 2 launches per year, the rest as the minibus is full, and this is already difficult to do because "Another horseman" is already parking his gazelle nearby and invites you in the same way.

Short-term expeditions are in addition to long-term ones. It is physically impossible to keep more than six people on the ISS for more than two weeks. The "other horseman" has nothing to do with the ISS RS until cross flights begin, by analogy with shuttles.

Quote: Bshkaus

Soyuz MS-13 according to plan - 170 days from launch to landing

You see, in the course of a reasoned dispute we came to a completely different period of 30 days;)

No one will keep the ship at the station all the way. Always need a stock. In addition, research is underway to increase the duration of the flight of the ship as part of the station to a year.

[Zdishek]

In fact, our GOOD FELLOWS! Now, if from March 2020 the Americans cannot send people into space, then there will be clear justifications for the refusal to deliver citizens of unfriendly RF countries. After all, WE warned everyone in advance

[orionvitt]

planned launches to the ISS of American ships

Where are they?