Signs of desovetization and decommunization in modern Russia

Over the past decades, “quiet” changes have been taking place in the educational sphere when they try to present the events of World War II with the original “dressing”. The ideological component of the war is being squeezed out of our consciousness, from our life, from our everyday life, since it is directly associated with the previous historical and a socio-political formation called "socialism", with which our government today does not want to have anything in common.


Signs of desovetization and decommunization in modern Russia


Journalist Konstantin Semin believes that in our country the ruling class is actively pursuing a policy of desovetization, decommunization, dismantling the remnants of the achievements of the Soviet state, eliminating even hints of the social state as such.

This position of the state can be traced both in Russian school textbooks, in the broadcasts of central television channels, and in modern films shot in a conveyor way about the Soviet period.

One of the episodes is the statement that it is necessary to accept and honor your story, but at the same time, for some reason, one of the historical and architectural symbols of the capital, the Lenin Mausoleum, is “masked” on Red Square for some reason.

How does all this affect the minds of our citizens? What are the goals of the ruling elite? The answers to these questions are in the video:

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  1. nikvic46 2 October 2019 06: 36 New
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    In order to ward off the memory of the people, shock therapy was carried out for this. People were put in inhuman conditions. After the "birch bark" he wrote-
    “We are not for the ... fathers, so that their children would appear.” Now a layer of extremely smart guys has already formed, but simply people who ate the hell with these fabrications, and even pretend that it was all invented by them. anti-Sovietism, we ourselves, not suspecting, are cultivating the seeds of Russophobia in the West. They don’t have to invent anything. They get everything ready from our hands.
    1. bessmertniy 2 October 2019 07: 41 New
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      An attractive social ideology was replaced by lack of ideality and lack of spirituality. Today, even patriotism is based on a swampy swamp of new meanings, in which those meanings for the sake of which it is required not to spare for life for the sake of the Motherland, have faded. If there is still something spiritually healthy in our people, this is from the past. Our past is sacred, and it is impossible to give opportunities to different remakers to make a parody of history. hi
      1. WIKI 2 October 2019 07: 54 New
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        Quote: bessmertniy
        If there is still something spiritually healthy in our people, this is from the past.

        In the past, we still have a true understanding of the motherland. Correctly said K. Semin: “We have a different Homeland. The Homeland that you defend today, the homeland of the Deripaska, Vekselbergs, Sechins, to whom you are trying to persuade Karbyshev, Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya, is not the Homeland that Karbyshev defended” and my father, including.
        1. Mikhalych 2 October 2019 08: 59 New
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          In fact, Russia is the destiny of the Mother of God. And God preserves her (Russia) while the Orthodox faith is preserved in her. God allowed the Bolsheviks to win the victory in 1917 because it was a lesser evil than the whites who fought for the crunch of the “French roll”. If liberal lovers of buns had won, then the 90s would have come already and only horns and legs would have remained from Russia. The end of the world would have come then.
          hi
        2. iConst 2 October 2019 09: 19 New
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          Quote: WIKI
          In the past, we still have a true understanding of the motherland.

          They are also actively engaged in this through the cinema, distorting the meanings. Just look: Fedyun turned the meaning of the word "Stalingrad" from a symbol of perseverance, sacrifice and hard work into a small-town episode about several lascivious and inappropriate characters. And if we distract from fetishistic special effects and slow-mo, the craft is a set of insanities that have nothing to do with the war.

          Of the last - "T-34" What is this movie about? What is the key episode? Answer: in the "salvation" of the Nazi, and even the SS man!
          That is - all punitive “feats” of these “noble” warriors are crossed out at once.
          Let me remind you that only the most ideological Nazis went to the SS. Which cleaned up "their" Lebenschraum they are left with from all sorts of "subhuman" very recklessly.
          And here - a 200% SS man suddenly, from some kind of ahem, for one minute turned into a noble knight and despite the efforts of our noble knight ... he killed himself! A curtain!

          What was it, Carl? What are these liberals rubbing at us? What generation is being raised?
          1. your1970 3 October 2019 20: 20 New
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            Quote: iConst
            Let me remind you that only the most ideological Nazis went to the SS. Who cleaned "their" Lebenschraum they are left from all "subhuman" very recklessly.
            I would completely agree with you but....
            SS Division Galichina - it consisted of these same "subhuman" - from which the "type" of the SS was cleaned up.
            Oh, about the fact that the standard of the Aryan from the poster is a Jew, I don’t even want to remember ...
        3. Dart2027 2 October 2019 19: 54 New
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          We have a different homeland

          Krasnov and Shkuro said almost the same thing.
          Or here’s the series "Sleeping" 8th episode from 41 minutes "And I did not betray anyone ..." It is not surprising that many howled from him.
          You know, I do not believe in communism, but I have nothing against remembering the achievements of the USSR; on the contrary, it is part of the history of Russia and it must be remembered, like everything else. But I am very annoyed by amateurs to talk about "my" and "not my" homeland. Karbyshev and Zoya do not belong to the Russian Federation? Well then, I'm sorry, but all that was before 1917 is not the USSR.
          1. WIKI 2 October 2019 23: 36 New
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            Quote: Dart2027
            Karbyshev and Zoya do not belong to the Russian Federation?

            If you mean the place of residence, then yes they do. But we remember them for their affairs, which were connected precisely with the USSR. And at the expense of a different understanding of the meaning of the Motherland, I will explain to you how I understand it at the moment. Now, God forbid, what a mess happened, I can’t imagine a defender of the Motherland (not a professional military man) with a split consciousness. He in his head will have to unite his family and the entire bureaucratic fraternity and the oligarchs. You won’t get much with such a vinaigrette. But for the money of course there are those who want to fight.
            1. Dart2027 3 October 2019 06: 06 New
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              Quote: WIKI
              But we remember them for their affairs, which were connected precisely with the USSR.

              Quote: Dart2027
              Well then, I'm sorry, but all that was before 1917 is not the USSR.

              Quote: WIKI
              Now, God forbid, what a mess happened, I can’t imagine a defender of the Motherland (not a professional military man) with a split consciousness. He in his head will have to unite his family and the entire bureaucratic fraternity and the oligarchs.

              I remember here several times I tried to get an answer, but how are those who "yes I’m for my family ... but for these ..." are going to convince the next "guests" that they do not need to touch their family, but here’s a clear answer and did not receive.
  2. Gardamir 2 October 2019 07: 39 New
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    Here is the Chinese parade in honor of the Chinese anniversary. But which flag they carry first, if someone thought something. then there are two flags.

    and another quote, obscene tried to relate.
    And what did we have? And we didn’t find it, like in some video by Goblin (help me find it!): Here we had a socialist shed. Of * ram and sticks. But somehow we somehow lived in it. But the woodpeckers were told: You have a bad barn! Look - how they live in the West! In the beautiful Palace! Well, everyone looked, of course, at the picture drawn by propaganda ...

    And in order to heal, as in the West, what is needed? Pralo! It is necessary your shovel shed to break tries! And in its place to build the Palace!

    We drove a wall-beaten car, did it a couple of times - a barn in dust and chips!
    “And from what to build a new palace,” asked amazed citizens
    - So build from this! From dust and chips, * ram and sticks! You will succeed! - grinned grinning faces from behind the Puddle.

    Something like this
    1. Uncle lee 2 October 2019 07: 48 New
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      It was the flag of the CCP. And the fact that decommunization is going on is a no brainer. "Only galoshes were made in the USSR" ... - this is how you should hate your Soviet past so much! Well and further on the list.
      1. carstorm 11 2 October 2019 08: 33 New
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        yes not so he said. do not pull phrases out of context. but what’s going on is called change. the world is changing people are changing. something is forgotten, something is not. there is Lenin’s square, for example, in a city or avenue My daughter is not even interested in who this person is. she takes it for granted. is and is. Will you order me to force information into it? well enough to live in the past already. change cannot be avoided. life does not stop. everything is erased over time and it will also be erased. neither you nor me nor anyone else will stop it anyway. our children did not live and do not know what that time is. and they are not interested in the whole mass. it all resembles the stories of the grandfather of a 60-year-old how he loved everyone in a row at the age of 20.
        1. Uncle lee 2 October 2019 09: 06 New
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          Quote: carstorm 11
          daughters are not even interested

          Without knowing the past, you cannot build the future.
          Quote: carstorm 11
          force information into it

          You need to deal with the child, otherwise they will stick an iPhone and all the upbringing and communication.
          Quote: carstorm 11
          stop living in the past

          In this past, the life of my relatives, the war, the Victory .... And should I forget this too? And about my pioneering, Komsomol years, work for the good of the Motherland, should I also forget? And my dad didn’t tell how he ran after the girls - he fought from the age of 41 .... And he didn’t talk about the war, even after taking 100 grams of the People’s Commissar, it’s very difficult and scary.
          You think very narrowly and I feel sorry for you.
          1. carstorm 11 2 October 2019 09: 11 New
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            You will excuse me, but I, as it were, are not a supporter of that time. but I’ll tell you if he asks for everything I know. Her English lessons are closer. I do not say anything about the victory or exploits of people. this information is in abundance with my then officer's family. and I do not suggest you forget. I tell you that our children and then their children will still not be treated the same way. but to think narrowly ... I’m probably just not a retrograde. and I understand that I can’t change it like no one else.
            1. Uncle lee 2 October 2019 09: 17 New
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              Everything flows, everything changes ... And only for the worse, that's what a shame!
              And in what country will my grandchildren live ....
              1. carstorm 11 2 October 2019 09: 24 New
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                I think our grandchildren themselves will decide how they live and where) all we can and should do is raise decent children and what they can choose.
        2. LON
          LON 2 October 2019 09: 16 New
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          Quote: carstorm 11
          yes not so he said. don't pull phrases out of context

          But as? . He simply equated everything that was being done in the USSR with galoshes. Grind the tongue, do not stand at the machine. What, over the 20 years of his reign, our economy has become an advanced? Now Russia is making the same "galosh", only with a fur lining. “Now high-tech exports from Russia amount to approximately 6 billion 600 million dollars. This is two times less than the high-tech exports of Poland or India, or Hungary. This is about 4 times less than the Philippines, 9 times less than that of Malaysia. " https://news.rambler.ru/other/39949047/?utm_content=rnews&utm_medium=read_more&utm_source=copylink
          1. carstorm 11 2 October 2019 09: 28 New
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            he said that the economy was one-sided and our goods were not in demand on the market. and that nobody bought our galoshes except Africa. and the phrase that produced only them is forgive you yourself invent. watch these videos and listen to yourself. I didn’t say anything about the front line. I just don’t like when phrases turn upside down. even Putin, even your Pope.
            1. LON
              LON 2 October 2019 10: 06 New
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              I, too, for accuracy. " What we produced, and we don’t have to wave our hands, nobody needed, because no one bought our galoshes, except for the Africans .. "Whatever the case, the 1989 USSR exports to the developed capitalist countries amounted to 13136 million rubles, and to the developing 9550.
              1. carstorm 11 2 October 2019 10: 31 New
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                the one-sidedness of the economy does not negate this. but this is already a matter of debate from another area. but as for the phrase, you yourself see that it produced ONE galoshes; he did not say I was right. and I did not dispute the rest. I just don’t like it when they say something different from what it really was.
              2. Dart2027 2 October 2019 19: 59 New
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                Quote: LON
                1989 USSR exports to developed capitalist countries 13136 million rubles

                And what exactly was exported?
                1. LON
                  LON 2 October 2019 22: 11 New
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                  Quote: Dart2027
                  And what exactly was exported?

                  You are hinting at a large share of oil and gas in the budget of the USSR. So I will disappoint you. In 1990, this share, plus electricity, amounted to 5,22%. In modern Russia, excluding electricity, this is 43,2%.
                  1. Dart2027 3 October 2019 06: 11 New
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                    Quote: LON
                    this share, plus electricity, was 5,22%

                    Will there be a source?
                    1. LON
                      LON 3 October 2019 22: 53 New
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                      I have them: https://fishki.net/anti/2310192-a-byla-li-zavisimosty-sssr-ot-jeksporta-nefti.html https://oilcapital.ru/news/markets/19-08- 2019 / na-4-7-vyros-ob-em-neftegazovyh-dohodov-rossii-za-i-polugodie-2019 And this is for you to understand why you lived poorly in the 90s:
                      1. Dart2027 3 October 2019 23: 11 New
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                        The page does not open.
                        About the 90s, I am aware that then the country was steered from the United States.
                      2. LON
                        LON 3 October 2019 23: 56 New
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                        The first link is https://fishki.net/anti/2310192-a-byla-li-zavisimosty-sssr-ot-jeksporta-nefti The second is html https://oilcapital.ru/news/markets/19-08-2019 / na-4-7-vyros-ob-em-neftegazovyh-dohodov-rossii-za-i-polugodie-2019
                        The point is not in the USA, but in the fact that there was not as much money from oil in the budget as it is now.
                      3. Dart2027 4 October 2019 18: 12 New
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                        Quote: LON
                        html https://oilcapital.ru/news/markets/19-08-2019/na-4-7-vyros-ob-em-neftegazovyh-dohodov-rossii-za-i-polugodie-2019

                        According to the link, the share of energy exports amounted to 40,5%, that is, for the most part exported the same as now. It seems that there was some misunderstanding, initially it was about what the USSR exported
                        Quote: LON
                        1989 USSR exports to developed capitalist countries 13136 million rubles
                        not a share in the budget.
                        As for the money that was in the budget in general, then the USSR printed the money supply as necessary, just as the United States is doing it now, so it is problematic to compare it with the Russian Federation.
            2. Vadim237 2 October 2019 22: 39 New
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              The USSR exported - only in return did it receive crumbs from the value of what it exported, since the support of world sublizs and free riders of the communist system is above all.
          2. Vadim237 3 October 2019 12: 31 New
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            "Export of the USSR of 1989 to the developed capitalist countries 13136 million rubles, and to the developing 9550." With a total export of 54 billion dollars for the 89th And this at 3 trillion of GDP of the USSR? - We must cry at such export figures.
            1. LON
              LON 3 October 2019 23: 49 New
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              And why are you happy. I would have thought in your place first. If the share of oil and gas + electricity in the budget of the USSR amounted to 5,22%, in modern Russia 43,2% excluding electricity. With the share of oil and gas in Russia's GDP of 10%, the question arises, what is the rest of the Russian economy doing, which gives the remaining 56,8% to the budget. And about your 3 trillion $ according to the CIA, then you can count the export in accordance with the CIA. And officially, GDP in 1989 is $ 777 billion, or 402 billion rubles.
        3. ultra 2 October 2019 13: 28 New
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          Quote: carstorm 11
          he said that the economy was one-sided and our goods were not in demand on the market. and that nobody bought our galoshes except Africa.

          And now, is it not a one-sided economy? Our entire economy is the extraction and transportation of minerals, round timber and grain, and that’s all. That's almost all of our exports, everything else is in very small quantities. Plus trade. That's all of our economy.
          1. carstorm 11 2 October 2019 20: 00 New
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            she is not one-sided now but rather just weak. only I didn’t compare then and now, but simply drew attention to the fact that it’s bad to take a phrase and change words in it as you want. no more.
      2. AU Ivanov. 2 October 2019 10: 14 New
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        Yes? Have we already forgotten about arms exports? Plus 17 more lards, weapons and there are high technologies.
        1. LON
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          You, along with Rosstat, can count anything and anything. And here is what the World Bank and, in particular, consider the World Bank. And its share, relative to the global one, has stalled at the level of 0,3%.
      3. Vadim237 2 October 2019 22: 35 New
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        “Now high-tech exports from Russia amount to approximately 6 billion 600 million dollars. No, there will be more
        1. LON
          LON 2 October 2019 22: 47 New
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          Understood nothing. What does this table have to do with high-tech products?
    2. LON
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      Quote: carstorm 11
      well enough to live in the past already

      And let's listen to your proposal, and stop not only living in the past, but also destroy everything that was created by the USSR, for example nuclear weapons. This will be a more effective method of struggle than simple chatter .. How do you like this proposal, which would be final and irrevocable ..
      1. carstorm 11 2 October 2019 09: 44 New
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        you simply do not distinguish between living the past and remembering the past. and this is not good. it breaks lives often. I will explain it with a household example. I remember the first wife. and respect her. but I moved forward and got married a second time. but he could suffer at first and feel sorry for himself for years. and I would not have a second child or a meeting with a wonderful girl. but it would be just the past that I do not want to let go. so in everything. need to remember. you need to learn from mistakes. remember sometimes. but do not live.
        1. LON
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          Yes, you remember the past in a peculiar way. The same example with Putin’s not-so-distant past, a direct speech about “galoshes”. Everyone is trying to pervert the obvious in their own way, in their favor. What can we say about the distant past. Here you have a language untied forever.
          1. carstorm 11 2 October 2019 10: 32 New
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            I remember what I remember. You yourself put the phrase where the phrases produced some galoshes no. what claims? are you arguing with yourself or something? I do not enter into polemics with you about the USSR. not going to praise him not to blame him. I'm talking about a specific phrase. clear and verbatim in which there were no words. all
            1. LON
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              In my opinion, you are denying Putin the ability to build sentences without taking into account the logical connections between words in a sentence.
              1. carstorm 11 2 October 2019 11: 24 New
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                I personally understood him. with something I agree with something not. but the phrase is simple and straightforward. and how to conclude from it that apart from galoshes, the union did not produce anything, I personally can’t.
    3. Gardamir 2 October 2019 19: 08 New
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      not so he said
      1. carstorm 11 2 October 2019 20: 03 New
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        Well, where are the words PRODUCED ONE GALOSH ?!))) all that we produced was nobody needed? I hear that. that galoshes only in Africa bought hear. and what produced some galoshes somehow not)))
        1. Cat man null 2 October 2019 20: 10 New
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          Quote: carstorm 11
          that galoshes only in Africa bought hear. and what they produced only galoshes somehow not

          Spit. Saliva.

          It’s useless to convince some people in some things - they # think by Internet memes request
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        2. Gardamir 2 October 2019 20: 26 New
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          so where is it
          Are you really so naive? Then try to listen to this song. They say that it was written by Kipling, according to the biblical story. For a long time, but as modern.
          1. Cat man null 2 October 2019 20: 34 New
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            Record 2000 of the year "Evenings at the Polytechnic."

            Man, you pull an owl somewhere yes

            Although Putin is also recovering in your elevator personally, I understand.
            1. Gardamir 2 October 2019 20: 55 New
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              in your elevator too personally
              That is, you say that Kipling, as well as in the Bible, wrote about ...?
              (pay attention to follow the keyboard, now this Man Nobody will prove what I meant.)
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                Quote: Gardamir
                Now this Man Nobody will prove what I meant

                No-man is more likely you, in this case. Fifth wheel yes

                Prove - to you? I said already - it's no good request

                And so - but what I have, then I will introduce (s). "In mind" is written separately, by the way ... a lover of all true Russian, language of study ... those negative
                1. Gardamir 2 October 2019 21: 49 New
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                  learn the language
                  An active norm is useless. This is a well-established idiomatic expression, therefore, “u” is written at the end, not “a”.

                  Regarding the issue of continuous and separate spelling, the rule is as follows: an adverbial expression consisting of a noun with a preposition is written separately.

                  In a number of dictionaries, the combination “useless” can be seen as an adverb - “senseless”. This is an outdated norm, which explains the continuous writing in the texts of classics, which are usually referred to with the argument for writing in one word.

                  The current norm is the adverbial combination of “useless”, we write separately.
                  1. Cat man null 2 October 2019 21: 57 New
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                    Well, here, finally, we got down to business ... you can, when you want ... And now - the same thing about

                    Quote: Gardamir
                    what am I meant

                    By the way, not all classics agree with you, for example:

                    Quote: N.V. Gogol, Dead Souls
                    ... Why, for example, is stupid and to no purpose is cooking in the kitchen? why is it pretty empty in the pantry? Why is a thief a housekeeper? why are servants drunk and drunk?

                    The Russian language, Gardamir, is great and powerful. And you, having lived to fifty-seven, do not really know him.

                    Shame on you, Gardamir yes
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            I'm not naive but just have a rumor. and used to think in specific categories. how do you manage to hear and see what is not I do not know. I don’t understand this and I don’t want to.
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    Quote: Uncle Lee
    And the fact that decommunization is underway and the hedgehog is clear.

    It became clear to the hedgehog when the word “militia”, causing the influx of bile and rabies, was replaced by the word “police”, which was consonant with the liberalistic ears ...
    But the filthiest accusation from the lips (although what kind of a mouth it was - it slurped) of the storyteller addressed to the USSR was just such that the USSR only made galoshes and there were no meat breeds of cattle in the USSR. All these VDNH are inventions of socialists. All their life, people have only been doing what they have worked for three shifts for nothing, living on miserable salaries, receiving free hacks and choking on the lines for sausage and toilet paper.
    To crown it all will be the final extermination (mass genocide) of the generation that remembers life in the Soviet Union. They will finish off in a cynical and methodical way: taxes, loans, plastic food with palm oil impurities, stupidity of education with USE insinuations, reduction of free medical services and medical care in general (who will work for pennies in bestial hospital conditions), low wages with no increase comfortable and unsafe working conditions until death and constant nodding to those who live even worse only because they did not choose fabulous leaders on time ...
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      To begin with, the police are territorial military formations, but not law enforcement agencies. In any country, law enforcement officers are referred to as the “police." Let's call a spade a spade. And they worked for the Union, indeed, for nothing: for the money, for which something worth buying was problematic.
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        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        To begin with, the police are territorial military formations, but not law enforcement agencies.

        To begin with, the Guard is ... It's not a matter of the name, but of the ideological message that the authorities tried to put into the very process of changing the names. Uncle Styopa, a policeman, is wrong, and the cop “Wood grouse” is cool and fair. Yes, for your information, the police did not even carry weapons, not to mention batons and other means of "restoring order."
        I do not know where you worked for nothing. Maybe in our Kuzbass near Mariinsky? Hard physical labor, intensive labor, work with dangerous conditions, work in severe climatic conditions was paid adequately. In 1975, a mine drifter earned 400-450 rubles a month, a heavy truck driver in the Far North (with full "poles")
        - from 900 to 1200 rubles per month. Lieutenant - 220 rubles per month. The driver of the trolley bus (bus) - 250-350 rubles per month.
        Buy was problematic. But this is not a question of salaries, but questions of production.
        I ask you, do not tell me about the time during which I not only lived, but also worked (though temporarily - in the summer, as a loader), but also served. And all this I know not from fables and not from fairy tales ...
        1. AU Ivanov. 2 October 2019 11: 04 New
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          And I was a pilot in those days. GA. There was money. But on them, neither a car, nor decent household appliances here and now, it was problematic to buy. In the queue, ukiny children in the queue! About housing generally keep quiet. Money supply not provided with goods. This is no better than a lack of money with shelves breaking from goods.
          1. VeteranVSSSR 2 October 2019 21: 55 New
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            Ivanov, for the pilot of the GA 2/3 room cooperative apartment was not a problem
            dvushka-down payment 2800
            treshka-3200.
            And do not tell me that the pilot received 157 rubles.
  4. tihonmarine 2 October 2019 08: 42 New
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    Quote: Uncle Lee
    this is how you should hate your Soviet past so much! Well and further on the list.

    And he should not love Our Past and Our Country, the enemy can only hate.
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    Why now lament. As an excursion into history. The people wanted a change. Our government understood this in its own way. If you want change, take democracy for change. Creative traders in deficit and currency speculators took this proposal with enthusiasm, because democracy, by apt aphorism, is the power of a bunch of bastards over a crowd of idiots (the author is unknown, Satanovsky introduced into the discussion). And now, from all the irons, curses are heard to Stalin, and crowds walk on the streets of the cities and yell "Yeltsin-Yeltsin." God above heard - Yeltsin ordered? - Here is Yeltsin. But everything did not go as promised. The workers became impoverished, in the army a mess, as bearded men with sharia appeared from under the ground, but on TV they show with impunity naked asses and sexual intercourse, and the assailants of state property boast of their wealth. And now the same people are already writing on EBN fences - bastard. But you ordered it yourself? In the end, they brought the country to collapse. Putin appeared as a fire brigade. I think I completed my task brilliantly. But he lingered longer than necessary. But in vain. Because he does not seem to know what to do next. A bunch of bastards filled pockets, but with the i. the bulk of the people wiser. With all the consequences.
    1. tihonmarine 2 October 2019 15: 24 New
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      Quote: mikh-korsakov
      Our government understood this in its own way. If you want change, take democracy for change.

      They were instructed, of course not for free, but they imposed these changes on us, arranging them like virtue. We swallowed it, and when we understood it, there was no return. The scheme is worked out.
  • Plantagenet 2 October 2019 08: 11 New
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    “Then perestroika began, then publicity. A lot was written about this. Was the end of Soviet power inevitable? - This question is asked endlessly both here and abroad. I believe that, in principle,“ by and large ”, the system was it is doomed, its erosion continued uninterruptedly during the Brezhnev period of “stagnation,” but it held on to the terrible force of inertia and collapsed only when Gorbachev violated this inertia with his “perestroika” (and even more so with the policy of glasnost). century brought such a formula: "Naib The most dangerous moment for a bad government comes when it is trying to improve. ”Great and wise words! Brezhnev, with all his intellectual level as an army political worker, instinctively felt that you couldn’t touch a single stone in this system, otherwise everything would fall apart. intuition was gone. "

    Georgy Ilyich Mirsky “Life in three eras”
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      Quote: Plantagenet
      Gorbachev no longer had this intuition. "

      To begin with, we end up with the fact that the HMS is a traitor to the socialist system, an enemy of the socialist state and a short-sighted person who does not have a solid line of behavior ...
      They don’t just give out medals for victory in the Cold War - this award is awarded annually Independent American National Constitutional Center (The National Constitution Center). I hope his invaluable (because they are judged in normal states for this) merits do not need to be transferred?
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        “Gorbachev’s personal responsibility for the death of Soviet power cannot be denied. No one except him, from the“ Kremlin galaxy ”of the 80’s, could initiate perestroika; it’s enough to recall Gromyko, Grishin, Romanov and others.

        In the American magazine National Interest in 1993 there was even an article entitled Andropov’s kidneys, the author of which argued that if Andropov’s health was better, there wouldn’t be the whole chain of events that would lead to the collapse of the USSR. This is a controversial and complex issue, but it is difficult to disagree with the fact that despite the steadily widening economic gap between the Soviet Union and the West, there were no direct signs of an explosion inside the country, the discontent of the population did not exceed the level acceptable for the leadership, the dissident movement was crushed by Andropov, the situation was quite stable, no liberation movement in the republics was noticed.

        Of course, terrible and potentially detrimental phenomena for the Soviet regime accumulated implicitly, but everything could last much longer. "

        Georgy Ilyich Mirsky “Life in three eras”
    2. mikh-korsakov 2 October 2019 11: 09 New
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      About Brezhnev stagnation. It depends on what you compare it to. In relation to the pace of development in the fifties - the pace of economic development declined, but in relation to 1990 - it was a heyday. In everyday life, household refrigerators, color televisions and much more have become available. Yes, there was an idiotic supply system. In addition to ugly phenomena like sausage trains, the most dangerous phenomenon, which in the end contributed to the collapse of the system, was the formation of two circles of money circulation.
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  • tihonmarine 2 October 2019 08: 38 New
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    Here is the Chinese parade in honor of the Chinese anniversary. But which flag they carry first, if someone thought something. then there are two flags.

    The first time a Chinese delegation led by Xi Jinping visited Moscow on Victory Day, not a single Chinese TV channel showed this, and only in the Jenmin Daily newspaper it was said that the Chinese delegation had visited Moscow and nothing more.
    1. nikvic46 2 October 2019 09: 02 New
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      Now we are already talking that socialism in China is already in words only. But those who were in China say that even in a small town there are museums of revolution. And portraits of Marx, Lenin, Stalin and Mao hang.
      1. carstorm 11 2 October 2019 09: 14 New
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        hang and stand. only interest in them is minimal. socialism what you call it what? 12 hour work day 6 days a week?)))
        1. vvnab 2 October 2019 09: 34 New
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          socialism what you call


          First of all, this is the dictatorship of the proletariat, the expression of the will of which is the Chinese Communist Party. In theory, something like this ... The rest is already at will. The main thing is not as (plan, market, private capital, public ...), and in whose interests? So far, we see that the welfare of the Chinese people is growing steadily, which means that the condition is respected.
          If our bourgeoisie provided wealth growth total population at least 3-4 percent a year, there would be no complaints against them.
          1. carstorm 11 2 October 2019 10: 11 New
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            if everything is so simple ... well-being then grew all these years and began to decline noticeably only after 14 years. and about the Chinese people, if we work the same way and will work the same way, then believe their well-being will trample upward with great speed. only everyone wants social benefits and not work, that's the result.
        2. sunzhenets 2 October 2019 10: 23 New
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          Quote: carstorm 11
          hang and stand. only interest in them is minimal. socialism what you call it what? 12 hour work day 6 days a week?

          Not true. China has a 40-hour work week.
          The average monthly salary is 5995 yuan (59 rubles)
          1. carstorm 11 2 October 2019 10: 40 New
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            you tell the truth to the Chinese themselves, they will laugh for a long time))) 40 hours is the work schedule of only government agencies and only in the central regions of the country. and all) 12-12-6 this is their schedule. and then taking into account the fact that it is not customary to leave work before the authorities. and they can sit longer if it is also there. You can also ask about paid leave to finish them to hiccups completely. Holidays they run for a year as much as 2 weeks here their rest is. by the way, we have 26 days.
          2. AU Ivanov. 2 October 2019 14: 14 New
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            BBK enterprises in China operate around the clock. The number of work shifts is two. You can calculate how long a working day lasts. And so in many enterprises. And with an average salary, you too got excited.
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              Quote: AU Ivanov.
              The number of work shifts is two.


              Where to read about it in more detail? Link?
        3. mikh-korsakov 2 October 2019 13: 36 New
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          Dmitry! But. In the evening, at the Moscow railway station in St. Petersburg, from the Chinese people of the most diverse appearance to the very old, you can’t get in the way. And on Red Square - I'm sorry black from the heads. Master the Golden Ring. Only they do not attend churches there. and to my deep surprise they were grouped in Vladimir in Pyaterochka, where they bought a huge amount of cookies and for some reason hair dye - do they want to pass for Europeans or what? But a trip to Russia is definitely not cheap. Therefore, I would agree to work longer - but to see the world.
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            and who argues?))) the possibility of traveling and seeing the world is in their mentality) I suppose I have never met more gambling people. in a casino I saw in different places this is something with something) I don’t know about paint) I will definitely pay attention to it) this is a rather interesting fact for me)
        4. nikvic46 3 October 2019 06: 36 New
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          Dmitry. In Asian countries, labor comes first. Japan has only nine days off.
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        Quote: nikvic46
        But those who were in China say that even in a small town there are museums of revolution. And portraits of Marx, Lenin, Stalin and Mao hang.

        I don’t know how it is now, but 4 a year ago I was in China and went into one small village (500 of thousands of people) there was a courtyard right next to the port and portraits of Stalin and Mao hung in a prominent place, and in the museum there, as in the old days portraits of the party leaders of China and the USSR and military commanders, and pilots (ours). There they remember the story as it was, and not the smeared blue paint of the Democrats.
      3. bober1982 2 October 2019 10: 24 New
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        Quote: nikvic46
        Now we are talking that socialism in China is already only in words

        Well, can socialism be there in words, all according to the precepts of Comrade Stalin, Lenin and Mao - they shot the demonstrators on Tiananmen Square, and then without any “color” upheavals they began to calmly engage in the welfare of their citizens.
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        But those who have been to China say that even in a small town there are museums of revolution

        And how many millionaires and billionaires are they not telling?
  • Avior 2 October 2019 07: 52 New
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    Actually, this was to be expected.
    Due to the fact that a bourgeois capitalist state arose in Russia and the communist heroes remain, there is a dissonance and this could not continue for a long time. You cannot live in a capitalist country and glorify those who died in the struggle against the capitalists, or under communist banners.
    The process was already delayed because of the desire of the ruling elites to hide behind Soviet achievements, in particular Victory in the war, achievements in space, aviation and in some other areas.
    But as time and profusion of the Soviet legacy, memories of Soviet achievements, people will only annoy, and the Soviet legacy will be pushed.
    Well, if you just push it.
    And do not promote any Vlasov Prague manifesto that describes the current situation as the ideological basis of the Vlasov movement. Everything can be expected with such a "pragmatic" approach to history.
  • rocket757 2 October 2019 07: 56 New
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    Signs of desovetization and decommunization in modern Russia

    Thirsty history, educational programs ... count, "castrate" memory!
    What will remain as a result when we SOVIET will die ???
    To what remains and succeeds, they will download it, they need IM, THE RICHES OF RICHES ...
    Opinions on this subject may be different ... and the result, in the end .... ??? But what result will depend on ALL of us!
    Our PEOPLE never had the honor of "Ivanes who do not remember kinship" !!! And we are led to ensure that we forget / betray MEMORY of our GREAT ANCESTORS!
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      What will remain as a result when we SOVIET will die ???
      Anything that remains and succeeds will be downloaded, it is necessary to them, the power of wealth to the rakers ..

      Everything goes to this. It didn’t work out with "sneak, take a quiet glanders."
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        Everything goes to this. It didn’t work out with "sneak, take a quiet glanders."

        Education, the consciousness of children is ruled \ koryachat from a very young age! This is SCARY, just EDGE!
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          Education, the consciousness of children is ruled \ koryachat from a very young age! This is SCARY, just EDGE!

          As if armageddon had come.
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            As if armageddon had come.

            Just capitalism, just power and the interests of the rich have now become the interests of the state ... the state "machine" cuts everything according to a completely sloppy pattern ....
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              Just capitalism, just power and interests of the rich have now become interests of the state

              I remember K. Marx F. Engels "Manifesto of the Communist Party."
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                Quote: tihonmarine
                Quote: rocket757
                Just capitalism, just power and interests of the rich have now become interests of the state

                I remember K. Marx F. Engels "Manifesto of the Communist Party."

                From there it is ... as if someone didn’t want to give their own type ... anyway, the basis is the scientific works of the classics!
    2. AU Ivanov. 2 October 2019 14: 08 New
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      And then the country will begin to develop when the carriers of the Soviet mentality leave. While in power, alas - scoops.
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    Quote: rocket757
    What will remain as a result when we SOVIET will die ???

    Victor! What will happen? Another generation will come with a completely different consciousness. Meeting the NEEDS of his time. For which the past will be interesting ... and no more. Is the Russian-Swedish war of 1613 of the year holy for you? Well, it was and was ... The French celebrate the capture of the Bastille, but for it itself ... Gradually, this will be the case with us and nothing can be done about it. Being determines consciousness, and not vice versa. Generations Y and Z are not like you and me, but the future lies with them. Whether we like it or not.
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      Meeting the NEEDS of his time.

      The needs of the ruling class ... it will be more true.
      Without a memory of the past, the future can turn out to be very "sour"!
      By the way, descendants, this is all a reflection of their ancestors !!! And no one will prove to me that otherwise it is so much better .... exceptions, only confirm the rule.
  • Mavrikiy 2 October 2019 08: 11 New
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    Well done Semin.
  • tihonmarine 2 October 2019 08: 29 New
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    The ideological component of the war is being squeezed out of our consciousness, from our life, from our everyday life, since it is directly associated with the previous historical and socio-political formation called “socialism”, with which our government today does not want to have anything in common.
    Everything is elementary simple, we know the founders of Marxism, socialism is based on public property, and capitalism is based on private property. After the collapse of the USSR, private property appeared and socialism disappeared, to whom it is beneficial and necessary, we all know and see. According to JV Stalin, the formula of socialism is capitalism, this is profit creation, and socialism is cost reduction (I write this in a simplified way). After the removal of Khrushchev in the USSR, the “two-imvira” rules were Brezhnev and Kosygin. At the plenum of the 1965 of the year called "Kosygin" where the basic law of socialism was replaced, the law of capitalism. The September Plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU proclaimed that it was necessary to improve "the use of such levers: as profit, price, premium, credit." And thereby laid the death of socialism. The emphasis should be on reducing costs and metal consumption, and expanding the range of products. In reality, the "shaft" reigned in the USSR. Kharkiv professor Evsei Liberman was appointed the shadow ideologist of Kosygin’s reform ..... I don’t need to say who was behind him and where.
    1. AU Ivanov. 2 October 2019 10: 35 New
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      Reforming the Soviet economy, introducing market elements into it, the admission of private initiative to production, was necessary in the early 60's. The command-and-planned economy was necessary for forced industrialization, for war, and for the restoration of the economy after it. After the country recovered from the consequences of the war, it became a weight on the country's feet, the reason for the lag behind developed kapstran. The reason for the shortage of goods in the end. A living example is China, which took into account Soviet errors
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        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        Reforming the Soviet economy, introducing market elements into it, the admission of private initiative to production, was necessary at the beginning of the 60's

        In the USSR, this took place, it was called the NEP, but in fact pure speculation under the auspices of the state. But even in the USSR, under Stalin and later there were artels, they were engaged in small works that the enterprise could not do (not profitable), these were the cold cobblers 'artels, St. John's wort, even the miners' artels, and this did not incur a state loss. Valenok roll, private trader can, but no to build a spaceport.
        1. AU Ivanov. 2 October 2019 11: 53 New
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          I don’t know the spaceport, and the planes - as many as you like. Boeing, Lockheed - private firms.
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            I don’t know the spaceport, and the planes - as many as you like. Boeing, Lockheed - private companies

            Here is the answer to you, but you forgot to say that, having seized the monopoly, they “lifted” prices to their products to the limit, and there is no other way (China can). This is how I wrote, “Capitalist society is based on pumping out profits, and socialist society is not on reducing costs.” Therefore, the capitalists must "roll boots" with us, but not build a spaceport.
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              Boeing on pumping has already tarnished its reputation, which is why in the future this company is likely to collapse.
  • Shuttle 2 October 2019 08: 42 New
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    The first real desovetizer and anti-communist was Comrade Khrushchev, led by his henchmen. He was not alone in person, but he, among other things, began the policy of revisionism, turning the scientific basis of the Soviet state, Marxism-Leninism, which had successfully proved to be right in the years of the previous reign, into the monasticism. In fact, it was then that the ideological foundation of the world's first state of the working people suffered the first internal catastrophic blow. The events in Novocherkassk were then still not entirely clear, but as is now seen by a completely unambiguous historical event, the beginning of the bourgeois counter-revolution. Bourgeois consciousness prevailed in the heads of the elite and from there spread throughout the country, gradually killing both initiative in production and communist self-awareness in everyday life. Even the change to Brezhnev did not help. The quintessence was the arrival of Gorbi and the legal registration of the practical collapse of the Union of Yeltsin and K.
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      The first real desovetizer and anti-communist was Comrade Khrushchev, led by his henchmen
      On June 18 of June 1957, the Presidium of the Central Committee of the CPSU gathered in the Kremlin. At a meeting of the Presidium of the Central Committee, Molotov and Malenkov unexpectedly raised the question of the removal of Khrushchev. Against the dismissal of Khrushchev were Mikoyan, Suslov Kirichenko and Zhukov clearly. I can’t understand how Zhukov, who worked the entire war with Stalin as deputy Supreme Commander, could support Trotskyist Khrushchev. The Presidium dismissed Khrushchev from his post, but on June 22 on November 1957 the Central Committee Plenum took place. I still don’t understand how all the members of the Central Committee from all over the Union were delivered in such an organized manner to Zhukov. How did “people from the crowd” appear at the Plenum who from the spot shouted the speeches of Molotov, Kaganovich and other members of the Presidium. As all the members of the Central Committee, as if already trained in one voice, supported Khrushchev, there could be no simple coincidences, everything was rehearsed, as if by notes, by someone’s direction. As if this Plenum was rehearsed long ago and a number has been appointed. We all know the outcome. And one more thing I don’t understand why Zhukov said about Yakir in his speech, that in his last letter he addressed Stalin, “My dear IV, I am the faithful son of the party to you too.” But now there are documents and Yakir’s letter is published, but not to Stalin, but to the party where he wrote with his own hand, where, in what places, he did much harm. He gave out the whole "alignment", it is not possible to falsify. But beyond the Plenum, other figures peep out in the shadows.
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    Judging by how actively church dogma is being promoted, Russians will soon have an ideological platform for faith, the tsar and the Fatherland.
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      Judging by how actively church dogma is being promoted, Russians will soon have an ideological platform for faith, the tsar and the Fatherland.

      For me it’s better "For the Homeland, for Stalin, for the Father's House!"
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        And your wishes, dear comrade, are not taken into account. Sitting on the couch, watching the action movie Rastrel of the Supreme Council, came around all over the Soviet People. Now another nation has been brought up, brought up on the laws of the jungle. The current format is worse than what it will be until October 1917. A scientific approach to creating a self-centered personality, sharpened on the desire for enrichment and personal benefits, not bound by any moral principles, conscience and compassion. Remember the common phrase of youth "raised money." It says a lot, isn’t it true? Not respect for the older generation has been cultivated since childhood, and the example of fattening bandiuk from the 90s teaches young people to think that you can achieve something in life that is not just (from the point of view of a normal, human, person) by. Dropping such a system is extremely difficult. Unless there is and will climb our resources by military means to conquer. Then options are possible. I do not believe in such a scenario and there is nothing to it for us. And so thinned the titular nation pretty. Historically proven - socialism in a single country is not possible. At least some kind of fence is in order, the selfish nature of homo hapiens is all uniformly rushing out.
        But the anointed of God is stopudovo to our grandchildren, they’ll clog our neck, everything goes to that. We need a baryzh tribe ideological support. Victory in the Second World War somehow does not roll.
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          Remember the common phrase of youth "raised money." He says a lot, aren't they?

          I agree that this is no longer needed by the people or the homeland.
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  • Ross xnumx 2 October 2019 08: 56 New
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    Journalist Konstantin Semin believes that in our country the ruling class is actively pursuing a policy of desovetization, decommunization, dismantling the remnants of the achievements of the Soviet state, eliminating even hints of the social state as such.

    Here is what is happening in the country and not only:
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      Quote: ROSS 42
      Here is what is happening in the country and not only:

      The movie is wonderful! Only ... I don’t want to, but in the announced interview, Platoshkin will leave the conversation about the class struggle.
  • demo 2 October 2019 09: 28 New
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    The fact that the history of our state is rewritten, rewritten and, most likely, will be rewritten more than once, no one doubts this.
    Who is doing this for the sake of?
    The question is very simple and complex at the same time.
    But I was a little confused by the accents that the journalist places.
    According to him, it turns out that the bulk of young people, of the war era, took weapons based on communist beliefs.
    This cannot be a true statement.
    Naturally, I cannot have extensive factual material (and who can have it?) About the reasons for the massive impulse to form volunteer units.
    I can only say one fact that I have no doubt about - this is my father.
    He left at 42 as a volunteer when he was not even 17 years old.
    When asked about the reasons for this step, he answered like this:
    It’s a shame to sit out your pants when your peers are already fighting.
    To the question of whether he understood that he might be killed or injured, the answer was as follows:
    At this age, such "nonsense" does not occur.
    Youth is characterized by maximalism - I am all, but nobody.
    And the first baptism of fire very quickly "cleared the brains."
    Volunteers advanced from Rostov towards Bataisk.
    And then German planes appeared in the sky.
    The boys with rifles were shot by the Germans from machine guns, like sheep.
    The width of the rocky road was 12-15 meters. On the right and on the left is water. The time of year is autumn.
    So.
    When, my father said, he jumped into the water, he did not feel that it was cold.
    It was not just scary, but very scary.
    And it was the experienced fear, and the ability to master it, that allowed him to go through the whole war and return home.

    Communist ideology could not be massive.
    For many reasons.
    After the war ended, it became exactly what we used to consider to be mass.
    Wounds from excesses on both sides until the 40s were too fresh.
    The people, in their mass, looked closely and adapted.

    And the text of Great Music - Get up a huge country, does not carry an ideological burden.
    He is closer to folklore.
    Carefully Mr. Semin re-read the text.

    And what the current authorities are doing with our History is obscurantism.
    But no one has yet succeeded in combining the periods up to 17 years, then 70 years of Soviet power and the current hard times, into a single History of the country.
    Hope so far failed.
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      Perhaps my grandfather and your father were fellow soldiers, although it was at this time (the liberation of Rostov and the fighting in the Taganrog-Mariupol direction) that my grandfather was part of a shraf company. But still, I will correct you. Advance from Rostov to Bataisk is not possible, it is called "retreat", July 42rd retreated. So your father dived into the waters of the rowing canal most likely in the area of ​​the famous monument to the tachanka, and this was the end of January 43rd, or not autumn. That is, it was even colder
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        I was wrong with the year.
        It was 41.
        But it was November.
        And this was the first offensive operation on a par with Moscow.
        The fact that they were advancing, but not retreating - there is no doubt about it.
        Since they were formed into marching columns in Rostov, in military registration and enlistment offices.
        And Taganrog - it was generally hell.
        Once I got to Matveyev Kurgan.
        There was a representative delegation from Azerbaijan.
        So the guide said that only in one day the militia division consisting of 18 summer boys of Azerbaijanis was destroyed.
        According to the guide, the German machine gunners went crazy.
        Advancing along a flat slope upwards, where the peak is fortified and rife with armed people, is horror.
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    And at this time in China, for breaking the bad words about Stalin, the American attache was breaking their nose with legs kicking ...
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    Pay attention to the Russian language, there are only solid borrowings all around. I won’t be surprised if in about 10 years, if we survive, a mixture of English will dominate in the country
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    The social experiment, called “communism” and called “socialism”, is one of the hateful ideologies built on mass graves, broken fates and the suppression of any form of freedom. But the people of Russia do not know freedom, they are afraid of it, and even when it has it, they do not know what to do with it. Back in 1215, the Magna Carta was voted in England and laid the foundations for democratic institutions that still do not work in Russia and the Russians still want to be run by a “father”, “leader” and “teacher” who stand above every law. In Russia, Orwell’s principles “Big brother is looking at you”, “crime of thought”, “new language”, “freedom is slavery” are fully valid. What kind of “desovetization, decommunization” is carried out when eating Red Square with the Lenin’s mummy, when there are cults of mass murderers like Lenin and Stalin, and when the opposition is not allowed to participate in the elections, and any form of free thinking and opposition by the authorities is suppressed by repressions and killings of political opponents?
  • AU Ivanov. 2 October 2019 10: 25 New
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    The two terms “Soviet” and “communist” should not be confused. Soviet power is the power of people's deputies, that is, deputies elected by the whole people. She was not in the USSR. The Soviets were a decorative organ that did not possess real power. Everyone was ruled by the top of the CPSU and local communist kings. Whom the people did not elect, they advanced in their narrow circle.
    1. Ross xnumx 2 October 2019 11: 03 New
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      Quote: AU Ivanov.
      Soviet power is the power of elected representatives, that is, deputies elected by the whole people. She was not in the USSR. The Soviets were a decorative organ that did not possess real power.

      You can argue and prove the absurdity of the categorical nature of your words, but ... stop Even so (with hypertrophied comparisons and examples). That is, in your opinion, there was no popular power? Is this all the scenery? And now what power? Folk or clan of oligarchs?
      No one discounts those negative phenomena that occurred in the substitution of the power of people's deputies by party bodies. It was they who led to the separation of the party leadership from the people, this was the reason for the lack of support of the CPSU, with the subsequent manifestation of indifference to the process of liquidation of the USSR ...
      1. AU Ivanov. 2 October 2019 11: 12 New
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        Here I am about it. The Soviet state and the communist elite collapsed. And now in power are people who, at one time wore a party card - hence all our troubles. So decommunization is needed, even as needed.
        1. Gardamir 2 October 2019 19: 36 New
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          The Soviet state and the communist elite collapsed.
          And now the current elite is breaking up the federation. So what does decommunization have to do with it?
          1. Victorio 2 October 2019 20: 39 New
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            Quote: Gardamir
            The Soviet state and the communist elite collapsed.
            And now the current elite is breaking up the federation. So what does decommunization have to do with it??

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            a bogeyman is needed in order to clean up either power or money. far and no need to go, the elite in the ex-Soviet republics on this or nationalism rose.
  • Strashila 2 October 2019 10: 30 New
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    "Signs of desovetization and decommunization in modern Russia" ... and other degradation of society and the state.
  • Lexus 2 October 2019 11: 44 New
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    Forgive me, if a country is ashamed of its past, hiding its face under a mask (the notorious posters on Red Square), while it sparkles with tsatskami and the naked "lower rear dimension" "popdiv" and "fellow soldiers", then this is a thieves "raspberry".
  • savage1976 2 October 2019 12: 18 New
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    I read it, looked at the reviews and realized that all those admirers of the USSR are now doing the same thing with the modern Russian Federation as they blame their opponents. The Russian Federation is not the motherland, only galoshes are made in it, everything is sold and everything is stolen. But in fact the blind are both.
  • kalibr 2 October 2019 13: 08 New
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    By the way, descendants, this is all a reflection of their ancestors !!! And no one will prove to me that otherwise it is so much better .... exceptions, only confirm the rule.

    There is a saying in Dagestan: Where there are no good children, there are no good old people! "Think about these words ...
  • kalibr 2 October 2019 13: 11 New
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    I can’t understand how Zhukov, who worked the entire war with Stalin as deputy Supreme Commander, could support Trotskyist Khrushchev.

    So there was interest in doing so, huh? What interest? Private!!! And in what he is unlikely to know.
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    Journalist Konstantin Semin believes that in our country the ruling class is actively pursuing a policy of desovetization, decommunization, dismantling the remnants of the achievements of the Soviet state, eliminating even hints of the social state as such.


    But Mr. Semin does not think that first you need to bring your family and child from the United States back to Russia and only then teach us to love her?

    If on the topic, then the shamefully closed mausoleum is a spit from our bureaucrats into the history of our country. Stalin, then, wasn’t zapadlo at the mausoleum, standing over the inscription LENIN, wasn’t zapadzhu Brezhnev, not even a drunk in the fight zapadlo - and Putin zapadolo? So chtoli?
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      Quote: d.olegov44
      Stalin, then, wasn’t zapadlo at the mausoleum, standing over the inscription LENIN, wasn’t zapadzhu Brezhnev, not even a drunk in the fight zapadlo - and Putin zapadolo? So chtoli?

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      standing on the mausoleum is not worth it, as well as not touching the story either.
  • Dalton 2 October 2019 19: 08 New
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    Journalist Konstantin Semin believes that in our country the ruling class is actively pursuing a policy of desovetization, decommunization, dismantling the remnants of the achievements of the Soviet state, eliminating even hints of the social state as such.

    hard to disagree
  • Vadim237 2 October 2019 22: 24 New
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    Communism has already outlived its time to retire.
    1. Victorio 3 October 2019 11: 16 New
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      Quote: Vadim237
      Communism has already outlived its time to retire.

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      1. Vadim237 3 October 2019 12: 37 New
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        It will not lead - capitalism has existed since the advent of mankind. And the USSR conducted industrialization thanks to the capitalist countries, buying equipment from them, hiring foreign experts. Money will not disappear anywhere, as well as commodity-money relations from people's lives.
        1. place 3 October 2019 16: 53 New
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          Since the advent of mankind, only the stupidity of mankind has existed. And capitalism is the rule of the bourgeoisie. There are only the last 300 years. And then - not in every country.
          And from the fact that China or the USSR carried out industrialization with the help of foreigners, it does not at all follow that everyone everywhere must abandon legislation that is beneficial to working people.
          BTW: MONEY EXISTED UNDER FEUDAL LAW AND EVEN IN ANCIENT ROME, AND NOT ONLY UNDER CAPITALISM. So, without capitalism they can exist.
          Probably still did not get it? I thought so ......
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            So, without capitalism they can exist.

            Communism is a social system whose production relations are based on public ownership of the means of production, in which there is no division into classes, the antithesis between town and country, between mental and physical labor, and distribution according to needs, is carried out.
            Without capitalism, money can exist, but under communism it no longer exists.
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              Everything is so. Only where the bestial nature of the superintelligent animal - the predator to put, his desire to dominate? Neither biblical covenants nor communist ideals are attainable. A beast is a beast, even if there is a ton of brain in his head.
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                Quote: Essex62
                A beast is a beast, even if there is a ton of brain in his head.

                Unfortunately, this is life, and I know it very well.
  • O_s_c_a_R 30 October 2019 11: 37 New
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    The past is rejected, and victory is appropriated. Like apartment thieves taking the most valuable.
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    It is a pity that all the institutions created in the country (in the broad sense of the word) painstakingly do not explain to our people what was in our history (step by step), what was followed, what influenced either whom, or what, causes, effects , consequences ... etc. (although it may be done as it should (on the ground), but not on a united front - after all, "who is into the forest, who is by the firewood"), but they mainly focus on the global, which obscures, obscures breakouts and problems , and ups and downs with one, two or three common oily spots, beyond which you can’t make out the truths clearly and clearly drawn. This is especially true of revolutions and wars with the participation of our people. And we have a lot of them, unfortunately.
    Sometimes our real youth is not able today to give an assessment to certain events of history (historical figures), which were heard and heard only recently, about 30-20 years ago, and if you touch on the period a little further - a complete mess in our heads. Sorry for them. Truly, the "clip" thinking of our youth is brought up "at the state level" ... with mother’s milk.
  • Brigadier 6 November 2019 06: 43 New
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    Putin and his cronies ... hmm ... "fed the country's leadership" - one of the richest people in Russiathat are extremely disadvantageous to WE ALL remembered the great USSR, where the people lived well, secure and free, and not like in today's "Putin" Russia - in poverty, complete insecurity in the future and social curtailment of the rights of our people, (in the form of at least the same pension robbery), allegedly "guaranteed" by the Yeltsin Constitution,.

    As there, he once said about his salary:



    Well, when at least 80-85% of Russians will be the same as Putin, not know about the size of their salaries, then we can talk about Russia as a prosperous country.
    And now everything is exactly the opposite.

    Who wants his life to become "more interesting" in the future - vote in the next election for Putin (or his protege) and the unforgettable EdRo!
    100% guarantee you an unforgettable experience after the election!
  • Adinfka 29 November 2019 12: 29 New
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    In fact, Russia is the destiny of the Mother of God. And God preserves her (Russia) while the Orthodox faith is preserved in her. God allowed the Bolsheviks to win the victory in 1917 because it was a lesser evil than the whites who fought for the crunch of the “French roll”. If liberal lovers of buns had won, then the 90s would have come already and only horns and legs would have remained from Russia. The end of the world would have come then.
    hi

    You’re right, I don’t understand why you were bombarded.