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Signs of desovetization and decommunization in modern Russia

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Over the past decades, “quiet” changes have been taking place in the educational sphere when they try to present the events of World War II with the original “dressing”. The ideological component of the war is being squeezed out of our consciousness, from our life, from our everyday life, since it is directly associated with the previous historical and a socio-political formation called "socialism", with which our government today does not want to have anything in common.


Signs of desovetization and decommunization in modern Russia


Journalist Konstantin Semin believes that in our country the ruling class is actively pursuing a policy of desovetization, decommunization, dismantling the remnants of the achievements of the Soviet state, eliminating even hints of the social state as such.

This position of the state can be traced both in Russian school textbooks, in the broadcasts of central television channels, and in modern films shot in a conveyor way about the Soviet period.

One of the episodes is the statement that it is necessary to accept and honor your story, but at the same time, for some reason, one of the historical and architectural symbols of the capital, the Lenin Mausoleum, is “masked” on Red Square for some reason.

How does all this affect the minds of our citizens? What are the goals of the ruling elite? The answers to these questions are in the video:

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  1. nikvic46
    nikvic46 2 October 2019 06: 36
    +18
    To shake off the memory of the people, shock therapy was carried out for this. People were placed in inhuman conditions. After the "boletus" wrote-
    “We are not for ... fathers to have their children." anti-Sovietism, we ourselves are not suspecting, are cultivating the seeds of Russophobia in the West. They don't have to invent anything; they get everything ready from our hands.
    1. bessmertniy
      bessmertniy 2 October 2019 07: 41
      +17
      An attractive social ideology was replaced by lack of ideality and lack of spirituality. Today, even patriotism is based on a swampy swamp of new meanings, in which those meanings for the sake of which it is required not to spare for life for the sake of the Motherland, have faded. If there is still something spiritually healthy in our people, this is from the past. Our past is sacred, and it is impossible to give opportunities to different remakers to make a parody of history. hi
      1. WIKI
        WIKI 2 October 2019 07: 54
        +21
        Quote: bessmertniy
        If there is still something spiritually healthy in our people, this is from the past.

        In the past, we also have a true understanding of the Motherland. K. Semin said correctly: "You and I have a different Motherland. The Motherland that you defend today, the homeland of the Deripasoks, Vekselbergs, Sechins, to which you are trying to press Karbyshev, Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya, this is not the Motherland that Karbyshev defended" and mine father, including.
        1. Mikhalych
          Mikhalych 2 October 2019 08: 59
          -4
          In general, Russia is the lot of the Mother of God. And it (Russia) God preserves as long as the Orthodox faith is preserved in it. God allowed the Bolsheviks to win in 1917 because it was a lesser evil than the whites who fought for the crunch of the "French roll". If the liberal lovers of buns had won, then the "90s" would have come even then, and only horns and legs would have remained from Russia. The end of the world would have come then.
          hi
        2. iConst
          iConst 2 October 2019 09: 19
          +10
          Quote: WIKI
          In the past, we still have a true understanding of the motherland.

          This is being actively pursued through cinema, distorting meanings. Just look: Fedyunya has transformed the meaning of the word "Stalingrad" from a symbol of fortitude, sacrifice and hard work into a small-town episode about several lustful and inadequate characters. And if we ignore the fetishistic special effects and slow-mo, the craft is a set of marasmus that have nothing to do with war.

          Of the last - "T-34" What is this film about? What is the key episode? Answer: in "saving" a Nazi, and even an SS man!
          That is, all the punitive "exploits" of these "noble" warriors are crossed out at once.
          Let me remind you that only the most ideological Nazis went to the SS. Who cleaned "their" Lebenschram Osten from all "subhumans" very recklessly.
          And here - a 200% SS man suddenly, from some kind of ahem, for one minute turned into a noble knight and despite the efforts of our noble knight ... he killed himself! A curtain!

          What was it, Carl? What are these liberals rubbing at us? What generation is being raised?
          1. your1970
            your1970 3 October 2019 20: 20
            0
            Quote: iConst
            Let me remind you that only the most ideological Nazis went to the SS. Who cleaned "their" Lebenshraum to them Osten from all "subhuman" very recklessly.
            I would completely agree with you but...
            The SS Division of Galicia - it consisted of these very "subhumans" - from which the "type" of the SS was cleaned out.
            Oh, about the fact that the standard of the Aryan from the poster is a Jew, I don’t even want to remember ...
        3. Dart2027
          Dart2027 2 October 2019 19: 54
          0
          Quote: WIKI
          We have a different homeland

          Krasnov and Shkuro said almost the same thing.
          Or here's the TV series "Sleepers" 8th episode from 41 minutes "And I did not betray anyone ..." It is not surprising that many howled from him.
          You know, I do not believe in communism, but I have nothing against remembering the achievements of the USSR, on the contrary, this is a part of the history of Russia and it must be remembered like everything else. But I am very annoyed by those who like to talk about "my" and "not my" Motherland. Karbyshev and Zoya do not belong to the Russian Federation? Well then, excuse me, but everything that happened before 1917 was not the USSR.
          1. WIKI
            WIKI 2 October 2019 23: 36
            +4
            Quote: Dart2027
            Karbyshev and Zoya do not belong to the Russian Federation?

            If you mean the place of residence, then yes they do. But we remember them for their affairs, which were connected precisely with the USSR. And at the expense of a different understanding of the meaning of the Motherland, I will explain to you how I understand it at the moment. Now, God forbid, what a mess happened, I can’t imagine a defender of the Motherland (not a professional military man) with a split consciousness. He in his head will have to unite his family and the entire bureaucratic fraternity and the oligarchs. You won’t get much with such a vinaigrette. But for the money of course there are those who want to fight.
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 3 October 2019 06: 06
              -1
              Quote: WIKI
              But we remember them for their affairs, which were connected precisely with the USSR.

              Quote: Dart2027
              Well then, I'm sorry, but all that was before 1917 is not the USSR.

              Quote: WIKI
              Now, God forbid, what a mess happened, I can’t imagine a defender of the Motherland (not a professional military man) with a split consciousness. He in his head will have to unite his family and the entire bureaucratic fraternity and the oligarchs.

              I remember here several times trying to get an answer, and how those who "yes I am for my family ... but for these ..." are going to convince the next "guests" that their family should not be touched, but here is a clear answer like this and did not receive.
  2. Gardamir
    Gardamir 2 October 2019 07: 39
    +9
    Here is the Chinese parade in honor of the Chinese anniversary. But which flag they carry first, if someone thought something. then there are two flags.

    and another quote, obscene tried to relate.
    And what did we have? And we didn’t find it, like in some video by Goblin (help me find it!): Here we had a socialist shed. Of * ram and sticks. But somehow we somehow lived in it. But the woodpeckers were told: You have a bad barn! Look - how they live in the West! In the beautiful Palace! Well, everyone looked, of course, at the picture drawn by propaganda ...

    And in order to heal, as in the West, what is needed? Pralo! It is necessary your shovel shed to break tries! And in its place to build the Palace!

    We drove a wall-beaten car, did it a couple of times - a barn in dust and chips!
    “And from what to build a new palace,” asked amazed citizens
    - So build from this! From dust and chips, * ram and sticks! You will succeed! - grinned grinning faces from behind the Puddle.

    Something like this
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 2 October 2019 07: 48
      +20
      It was the CCP flag. And the fact that there is decommunization is a no brainer. "In the USSR, only galoshes were made" ... - this is how you should hate your Soviet past so much! Well, further down the list.
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 2 October 2019 08: 33
        -12
        yes not so he said. do not pull phrases out of context. but what’s going on is called change. the world is changing people are changing. something is forgotten, something is not. there is Lenin’s square, for example, in a city or avenue My daughter is not even interested in who this person is. she takes it for granted. is and is. Will you order me to force information into it? well enough to live in the past already. change cannot be avoided. life does not stop. everything is erased over time and it will also be erased. neither you nor me nor anyone else will stop it anyway. our children did not live and do not know what that time is. and they are not interested in the whole mass. it all resembles the stories of the grandfather of a 60-year-old how he loved everyone in a row at the age of 20.
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 2 October 2019 09: 06
          +14
          Quote: carstorm 11
          daughters are not even interested

          Without knowing the past, you cannot build the future.
          Quote: carstorm 11
          force information into it

          You need to deal with the child, otherwise they will stick an iPhone and all the upbringing and communication.
          Quote: carstorm 11
          stop living in the past

          In this past, the life of my relatives, the war, the Victory .... And should I forget this too? And about my pioneering, Komsomol years, work for the good of the Motherland, should I also forget? And my dad didn’t tell how he ran after the girls - he fought from the age of 41 .... And he didn’t talk about the war, even after taking 100 grams of the People’s Commissar, it’s very difficult and scary.
          You think very narrowly and I feel sorry for you.
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 2 October 2019 09: 11
            -4
            You will excuse me, but I, as it were, are not a supporter of that time. but I’ll tell you if he asks for everything I know. Her English lessons are closer. I do not say anything about the victory or exploits of people. this information is in abundance with my then officer's family. and I do not suggest you forget. I tell you that our children and then their children will still not be treated the same way. but to think narrowly ... I’m probably just not a retrograde. and I understand that I can’t change it like no one else.
            1. Uncle lee
              Uncle lee 2 October 2019 09: 17
              +9
              Everything flows, everything changes ... And only for the worse, that's what a shame!
              And in what country will my grandchildren live ....
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 2 October 2019 09: 24
                0
                I think our grandchildren themselves will decide how they live and where) all we can and should do is raise decent children and what they can choose.
        2. LON
          LON 2 October 2019 09: 16
          +15
          Quote: carstorm 11
          yes not so he said. don't pull phrases out of context

          But as? ... He simply equated everything that was done in the USSR to "galoshes". Grind with your tongue, not stand at the machine. What, during 20 years of his reign, our economy has become an advanced one? Now Russia is making the same "holos", only with a fur lining. “Now high-tech exports from Russia amount to approximately $ 6 billion 600 million. This is half the amount of high-tech exports from Poland or India or Hungary. This is about 4 times less than that of the Philippines, 9 times less than that of Malaysia. " https://news.rambler.ru/other/39949047/?utm_content=rnews&utm_medium=read_more&utm_source=copylink
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 2 October 2019 09: 28
            -7
            he said that the economy was one-sided and our goods were not in demand on the market. and that nobody bought our galoshes except Africa. and the phrase that produced only them is forgive you yourself invent. watch these videos and listen to yourself. I didn’t say anything about the front line. I just don’t like when phrases turn upside down. even Putin, even your Pope.
            1. LON
              LON 2 October 2019 10: 06
              +8
              I am also for accuracy. " What we produced, and we don’t have to wave our hands, nobody needed, because our galoshes were not bought by anyone except the Africans .. "In order not to be unfounded, the export of the USSR in 1989 to the developed capitalist countries 13136 million rubles, and to the developing 9550.
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 2 October 2019 10: 31
                -2
                the one-sidedness of the economy does not negate this. but this is already a matter of debate from another area. but as for the phrase, you yourself see that it produced ONE galoshes; he did not say I was right. and I did not dispute the rest. I just don’t like it when they say something different from what it really was.
              2. Dart2027
                Dart2027 2 October 2019 19: 59
                -1
                Quote: LON
                1989 USSR exports to developed capitalist countries 13136 million rubles

                And what exactly was exported?
                1. LON
                  LON 2 October 2019 22: 11
                  +4
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  And what exactly was exported?

                  You are hinting at a large share of oil and gas in the budget of the USSR. So I will disappoint you. In 1990, this share, plus electricity, amounted to 5,22%. In modern Russia, excluding electricity, this is 43,2%.
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 3 October 2019 06: 11
                    -1
                    Quote: LON
                    this share, plus electricity, was 5,22%

                    Will there be a source?
                    1. LON
                      LON 3 October 2019 22: 53
                      +3
                      I have them: https://fishki.net/anti/2310192-a-byla-li-zavisimosty-sssr-ot-jeksporta-nefti.html https://oilcapital.ru/news/markets/19-08- 2019 / na-4-7-vyros-ob-em-neftegazovyh-dohodov-rossii-za-i-polugodie-2019 And this is for you to understand why you lived poorly in the 90s:
                      1. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 3 October 2019 23: 11
                        -1
                        The page does not open.
                        About the 90s, I am aware that then the country was steered from the United States.
                      2. LON
                        LON 3 October 2019 23: 56
                        +2
                        The first link is https://fishki.net/anti/2310192-a-byla-li-zavisimosty-sssr-ot-jeksporta-nefti The second is html https://oilcapital.ru/news/markets/19-08-2019 /na-4-7-vyros-ob-em-neftegazovyh-dohodov-rossii-za-i-polugodie-2019
                        The point is not in the USA, but in the fact that there was not as much money from oil in the budget as it is now.
                      3. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 4 October 2019 18: 12
                        -1
                        Quote: LON
                        html https://oilcapital.ru/news/markets/19-08-2019/na-4-7-vyros-ob-em-neftegazovyh-dohodov-rossii-za-i-polugodie-2019

                        According to the link, the share of energy exports amounted to 40,5%, that is, for the most part exported the same as now. It seems that there was some misunderstanding, initially it was about what the USSR exported
                        Quote: LON
                        1989 USSR exports to developed capitalist countries 13136 million rubles
                        not a share in the budget.
                        As for the money that was in the budget in general, then the USSR printed the money supply as necessary, just as the United States is doing it now, so it is problematic to compare it with the Russian Federation.
                2. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 2 October 2019 22: 39
                  -4
                  The USSR exported - only in return did it receive crumbs from the value of what it exported, since the support of world sublizs and free riders of the communist system is above all.
              3. Vadim237
                Vadim237 3 October 2019 12: 31
                -3
                "Export of the USSR in 1989 to developed capitalist countries 13136 million rubles, and 9550 to developing countries". With a total export of 54 billion dollars for the 89th And this with 3 trillion GDP of the USSR? - One should cry with such export indicators.
                1. LON
                  LON 3 October 2019 23: 49
                  +3
                  And why are you happy. I would have thought in your place first. If the share of oil and gas + electricity in the budget of the USSR amounted to 5,22%, in modern Russia 43,2% excluding electricity. With the share of oil and gas in Russia's GDP of 10%, the question arises, what is the rest of the Russian economy doing, which gives the remaining 56,8% to the budget. And about your 3 trillion $ according to the CIA, then you can count the export in accordance with the CIA. And officially, GDP in 1989 is $ 777 billion, or 402 billion rubles.
            2. ultra
              ultra 2 October 2019 13: 28
              +4
              Quote: carstorm 11
              he said that the economy was one-sided and our goods were not in demand on the market. and that nobody bought our galoshes except Africa.

              And now, is it not a one-sided economy? Our entire economy is the extraction and transportation of minerals, round timber and grain, and that’s all. That's almost all of our exports, everything else is in very small quantities. Plus trade. That's all of our economy.
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 2 October 2019 20: 00
                -2
                she is not one-sided now but rather just weak. only I didn’t compare then and now, but simply drew attention to the fact that it’s bad to take a phrase and change words in it as you want. no more.
          2. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 2 October 2019 10: 14
            -1
            Yes? Have we already forgotten about arms exports? Plus 17 more lards, weapons and there are high technologies.
            1. LON
              LON 2 October 2019 11: 02
              +3
              You, along with Rosstat, can count anything and anything. And here is what the World Bank and, in particular, consider the World Bank. And its share, relative to the global one, has stalled at the level of 0,3%.
          3. Vadim237
            Vadim237 2 October 2019 22: 35
            +1
            “Now high-tech exports from Russia amount to approximately 6 billion 600 million dollars. No, there will be more
            1. LON
              LON 2 October 2019 22: 47
              +1
              Understood nothing. What does this table have to do with high-tech products?
        3. LON
          LON 2 October 2019 09: 25
          +7
          Quote: carstorm 11
          well enough to live in the past already

          And let's listen to your proposal, and stop not only living in the past, but also destroy everything that was created by the USSR, for example nuclear weapons. This will be a more effective method of struggle than simple chatter .. How do you like this proposal, which would be final and irrevocable ..
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 2 October 2019 09: 44
            0
            you simply do not distinguish between living the past and remembering the past. and this is not good. it breaks lives often. I will explain it with a household example. I remember the first wife. and respect her. but I moved forward and got married a second time. but he could suffer at first and feel sorry for himself for years. and I would not have a second child or a meeting with a wonderful girl. but it would be just the past that I do not want to let go. so in everything. need to remember. you need to learn from mistakes. remember sometimes. but do not live.
            1. LON
              LON 2 October 2019 10: 24
              +5
              And you remember the past in a peculiar way. The same example with the not distant past, Putin's direct speech about "galoshes". You are trying to distort the obvious in your own way, in your favor. What can we say about the distant past. Here your language is untied endlessly.
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 2 October 2019 10: 32
                -4
                I remember what I remember. You yourself put the phrase where the phrases produced some galoshes no. what claims? are you arguing with yourself or something? I do not enter into polemics with you about the USSR. not going to praise him not to blame him. I'm talking about a specific phrase. clear and verbatim in which there were no words. all
                1. LON
                  LON 2 October 2019 11: 17
                  +2
                  In my opinion, you are denying Putin the ability to build sentences without taking into account the logical connections between words in a sentence.
                  1. carstorm 11
                    carstorm 11 2 October 2019 11: 24
                    -1
                    I personally understood him. with something I agree with something not. but the phrase is simple and straightforward. and how to conclude from it that apart from galoshes, the union did not produce anything, I personally can’t.
        4. Gardamir
          Gardamir 2 October 2019 19: 08
          -2
          not so he said
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 2 October 2019 20: 03
            +1
            Well, where are the words PRODUCED ONE GALOSH ?!))) all that we produced was nobody needed? I hear that. that galoshes only in Africa bought hear. and what produced some galoshes somehow not)))
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 2 October 2019 20: 10
              0
              Quote: carstorm 11
              that galoshes only in Africa bought hear. and what they produced only galoshes somehow not

              Spit. Saliva.

              It’s useless to convince some people in some things - they # think by Internet memes request
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            2. Gardamir
              Gardamir 2 October 2019 20: 26
              -3
              so where is it
              Are you really so naive? Then try to listen to this song. They say that it was written by Kipling, according to the biblical story. For a long time, but as modern.
              1. Cat man null
                Cat man null 2 October 2019 20: 34
                0
                Record of 2000 "Evenings at the Polytechnic".

                Man, you pull an owl somewhere yes

                Although Putin is also recovering in your elevator personally, I understand.
                1. Gardamir
                  Gardamir 2 October 2019 20: 55
                  -2
                  in your elevator too personally
                  That is, you say that Kipling, as well as in the Bible, wrote about ...?
                  (pay attention to follow the keyboard, now this Man Nobody will prove what I meant.)
                  1. Cat man null
                    Cat man null 2 October 2019 20: 59
                    -6
                    Quote: Gardamir
                    Now this Man Nobody will prove what I meant

                    No-man is more likely you, in this case. Fifth wheel yes

                    Prove - to you? I said already - it's no good request

                    And so - what I have, then I will enter (s). "In mind" is written separately, by the way ... a lover of everything truly Russian, learn the language ... negative
                    1. Gardamir
                      Gardamir 2 October 2019 21: 49
                      +1
                      learn the language
                      An active norm is useless. This is a well-established idiomatic expression, therefore, “u” is written at the end, not “a”.

                      Regarding the issue of continuous and separate spelling, the rule is as follows: an adverbial expression consisting of a noun with a preposition is written separately.

                      In a number of dictionaries, the combination “useless” can be seen as an adverb - “senseless”. This is an outdated norm, which explains the continuous writing in the texts of classics, which are usually referred to with the argument for writing in one word.

                      The current norm is the adverbial combination of “useless”, we write separately.
                      1. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 2 October 2019 21: 57
                        -4
                        Well, here, finally, we got down to business ... you can, when you want ... And now - the same thing about

                        Quote: Gardamir
                        what am I meant

                        By the way, not all classics agree with you, for example:

                        Quote: N.V. Gogol, Dead Souls
                        ... Why, for example, is stupid and to no purpose is cooking in the kitchen? why is it pretty empty in the pantry? Why is a thief a housekeeper? why are servants drunk and drunk?

                        The Russian language, "Gardamir", is great and mighty. And you do not really know him when you live up to fifty-seven.

                        Ashamed, "Gardamir" yes
              2. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 3 October 2019 01: 53
                -2
                I'm not naive but just have a rumor. and used to think in specific categories. how do you manage to hear and see what is not I do not know. I don’t understand this and I don’t want to.
      2. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 2 October 2019 08: 35
        +9
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        And the fact that decommunization is underway and the hedgehog is clear.

        The hedgehog became clear when the word "militia", causing an influx of bile and rabies, was replaced by the euphonious for a liberal ear - "police" ...
        But the filthiest accusation from the lips (although what kind of a mouth it was - it slurped) of the storyteller addressed to the USSR was just such that the USSR only made galoshes and there were no meat breeds of cattle in the USSR. All these VDNH are inventions of socialists. All their life, people have only been doing what they have worked for three shifts for nothing, living on miserable salaries, receiving free hacks and choking on the lines for sausage and toilet paper.
        To crown it all will be the final extermination (mass genocide) of the generation that remembers life in the Soviet Union. They will finish off in a cynical and methodical way: taxes, loans, plastic food with palm oil impurities, stupidity of education with USE insinuations, reduction of free medical services and medical care in general (who will work for pennies in bestial hospital conditions), low wages with no increase comfortable and unsafe working conditions until death and constant nodding to those who live even worse only because they did not choose fabulous leaders on time ...
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 2 October 2019 10: 18
          -11
          To begin with, the police are territorial military formations, but not law enforcement agencies. In any country, law enforcement agencies are referred to as "police". Let's call a spade a spade. And they worked in the Union, indeed, for nothing: for the money for which it was problematic to buy anything worthwhile.
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 2 October 2019 10: 45
            +7
            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            To begin with, the police are territorial military formations, but not law enforcement agencies.

            Let's start with the fact that the Guard - ... The point is not in the name, but in the ideological message that the authorities tried to put into the very process of changing names. Uncle Styopa, a policeman, is wrong, and a policeman "Capercaillie" is cool and fair. Yes, for your information, the police did not even carry weapons, not to mention truncheons and other means of "restoring order."
            I don't know where you worked for free. Maybe in Kuzbass - near the Mariinsky? Hard physical labor, intensive labor, work in hazardous conditions, work in harsh climatic conditions was paid with dignity. In 1975, a miner in a mine earned 400-450 rubles a month, a heavy truck driver in the Far North (with full "polar")
            - from 900 to 1200 rubles per month. Lieutenant - 220 rubles per month. The driver of the trolley bus (bus) - 250-350 rubles per month.
            Buy was problematic. But this is not a question of salaries, but questions of production.
            I ask you, do not tell me about the time during which I not only lived, but also worked (though temporarily - in the summer, as a loader), but also served. And all this I know not from fables and not from fairy tales ...
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 2 October 2019 11: 04
              -6
              And I was a pilot in those days. GA. There was money. But on them, neither a car, nor decent household appliances here and now, it was problematic to buy. In the queue, ukiny children in the queue! About housing generally keep quiet. Money supply not provided with goods. This is no better than a lack of money with shelves breaking from goods.
              1. VeteranVSSSR
                VeteranVSSSR 2 October 2019 21: 55
                +3
                Ivanov, for the pilot of the GA 2/3 room cooperative apartment was not a problem
                dvushka-down payment 2800
                treshka-3200.
                And do not tell me that the pilot received 157 rubles.
      3. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 2 October 2019 08: 42
        +9
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        this is how you should hate your Soviet past so much! Well and further on the list.

        And he should not love Our Past and Our Country, the enemy can only hate.
      4. mikh-korsakov
        mikh-korsakov 2 October 2019 10: 42
        +7
        Why wail now. As an excursion into history. The people wanted a change. Our government understood this in its own way. If you want change, take democracy for change. Creative scarcity traders and currency speculators accepted this proposal with enthusiasm, for democracy, according to a well-aimed aphorism, is the power of a bunch of scoundrels over a crowd of idiots (unknown author, Satanovsky introduced into the discussion). And now, from all the irons, curses to Stalin are heard, and crowds are walking along the streets of the cities and shouting "Yeltsin-Yeltsin". God above heard - Yeltsin ordered? - Here's Yeltsin. But things didn't go as promised. The workers became impoverished, the army is a mess, like bearded men with Sharia appeared from under the ground, but on TV they show naked asses and sexual intercourse with impunity, and the seized state property boast of their wealth. And now the same people are already writing on the fences EBN - bastard. But you ordered it yourself? In the end, they brought the country to collapse. Putin appeared as a fire brigade. I think I fulfilled my task brilliantly. But he stayed longer than necessary. But in vain. Because he doesn't seem to know what to do next. A bunch of scoundrels filled their pockets, but a patch with i.diots. the people in their mass grew wiser. With all that it implies.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 2 October 2019 15: 24
          +4
          Quote: mikh-korsakov
          Our government understood this in its own way. If you want change, take democracy for change.

          They were instructed, of course not for free, but they imposed these changes on us, arranging them like virtue. We swallowed it, and when we understood it, there was no return. The scheme is worked out.
    2. Plantagenet
      Plantagenet 2 October 2019 08: 11
      -3
      “Then there was perestroika, then - glasnost. Much has been written about this. Was the end of Soviet power inevitable? - this question is asked endlessly both in our country and abroad. I believe that, in principle,“ by and large, ”the system was it was doomed, its erosion took place continuously during the period of Brezhnev's "stagnation", but it held on to the terrible force of inertia and collapsed only when Gorbachev, by his "perestroika" (and even more - by his policy of publicity) violated this inertia. French historian de Tocqueville back in the nineteenth century, he deduced the following formula: “The most dangerous moment for a bad government comes when it tries to correct itself.” Great and wise words! Brezhnev, with all his intellectual level of an army political worker, instinctively felt that not a single stone could be touched in this system, otherwise everything will crumble. Gorbachev no longer had this intuition. "

      Georgy Ilyich Mirsky “Life in three eras”
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 2 October 2019 10: 51
        +3
        Quote: Plantagenet
        Gorbachev no longer had this intuition. "

        To begin with, we end up with the fact that the HMS is a traitor to the socialist system, an enemy of the socialist state and a short-sighted person who does not have a solid line of behavior ...
        They don’t just give out medals for victory in the Cold War - this award is awarded annually Independent American National Constitutional Center (The National Constitution Center). I hope his invaluable (because they are judged in normal states for this) merits do not need to be transferred?
        1. Plantagenet
          Plantagenet 2 October 2019 11: 02
          -2
          "It is impossible to deny Gorbachev's personal responsibility for the death of the Soviet regime. Nobody, except him, from the" Kremlin galaxy "of the 80s could have initiated perestroika; suffice it to recall Gromyko, Grishin, Romanov and others.

          In the American magazine National Interest in 1993 there was even an article entitled Andropov’s kidneys, the author of which argued that if Andropov’s health was better, there wouldn’t be the whole chain of events that would lead to the collapse of the USSR. This is a controversial and complex issue, but it is difficult to disagree with the fact that despite the steadily widening economic gap between the Soviet Union and the West, there were no direct signs of an explosion inside the country, the discontent of the population did not exceed the level acceptable for the leadership, the dissident movement was crushed by Andropov, the situation was quite stable, no liberation movement in the republics was noticed.

          Of course, the phenomena that were formidable and potentially detrimental to the Soviet regime accumulated latently, but everything could drag on much longer. "

          Georgy Ilyich Mirsky “Life in three eras”
      2. mikh-korsakov
        mikh-korsakov 2 October 2019 11: 09
        +3
        About Brezhnev stagnation. It depends on what you compare it to. In relation to the pace of development in the fifties - the pace of economic development declined, but in relation to 1990 - it was a heyday. In everyday life, household refrigerators, color televisions and much more have become available. Yes, there was an idiotic supply system. In addition to ugly phenomena like sausage trains, the most dangerous phenomenon, which in the end contributed to the collapse of the system, was the formation of two circles of money circulation.
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    4. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 2 October 2019 08: 38
      +1
      Quote: Gardamir
      Here is the Chinese parade in honor of the Chinese anniversary. But which flag they carry first, if someone thought something. then there are two flags.

      When the Chinese delegation headed by Xi Jinping visited Moscow for the Victory Day for the first time, not a single Chinese TV channel showed this, and only and only one newspaper, Jenmin Ribao, said about the visit of the Chinese delegation to Moscow and nothing else.
      1. nikvic46
        nikvic46 2 October 2019 09: 02
        +8
        Now we are already talking that socialism in China is already in words only. But those who were in China say that even in a small town there are museums of revolution. And portraits of Marx, Lenin, Stalin and Mao hang.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 2 October 2019 09: 14
          -12
          hang and stand. only interest in them is minimal. socialism what you call it what? 12 hour work day 6 days a week?)))
          1. vvnab
            vvnab 2 October 2019 09: 34
            +7
            socialism what you call


            First of all, this is the dictatorship of the proletariat, the expression of the will of which is the Chinese Communist Party. In theory, something like this ... The rest is already at will. The main thing is not as (plan, market, private capital, public ...), and in whose interests? So far, we see that the welfare of the Chinese people is growing steadily, which means that the condition is respected.
            If our bourgeoisie provided wealth growth total population at least 3-4 percent a year, there would be no complaints against them.
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 2 October 2019 10: 11
              -5
              if everything is so simple ... well-being then grew all these years and began to decline noticeably only after 14 years. and about the Chinese people, if we work the same way and will work the same way, then believe their well-being will trample upward with great speed. only everyone wants social benefits and not work, that's the result.
          2. sunzhenets
            sunzhenets 2 October 2019 10: 23
            +5
            Quote: carstorm 11
            hang and stand. only interest in them is minimal. socialism what you call it what? 12 hour work day 6 days a week?

            Not true. China has a 40-hour work week.
            The average monthly salary is 5995 yuan (59 rubles)
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 2 October 2019 10: 40
              0
              you tell the truth to the Chinese themselves, they will laugh for a long time))) 40 hours is the work schedule of only government agencies and only in the central regions of the country. and all) 12-12-6 this is their schedule. and then taking into account the fact that it is not customary to leave work before the authorities. and they can sit longer if it is also there. You can also ask about paid leave to finish them to hiccups completely. Holidays they run for a year as much as 2 weeks here their rest is. by the way, we have 26 days.
            2. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 2 October 2019 14: 14
              +1
              BBK enterprises in China operate around the clock. The number of work shifts is two. You can calculate how long a working day lasts. And so in many enterprises. And with an average salary, you too got excited.
              1. LON
                LON 2 October 2019 22: 34
                +1
                Quote: AS Ivanov.
                The number of work shifts is two.


                Where to read about it in more detail? Link?
          3. mikh-korsakov
            mikh-korsakov 2 October 2019 13: 36
            +5
            Dmitriy! But. In the evening, at the Moskovsky railway station in St. Petersburg, from the Chinese of the most diverse appearance to the very old people, there is no overcrowding. And on Red Square - sorry, black from the heads. We mastered the Golden Ring. Only they do not attend churches there. and to my deep surprise they crowded together in Vladimir in "Pyaterochka", where they bought up a huge amount of cookies and for some reason hair dye - they want to pass for Europeans or what? But a ticket to Russia is definitely not cheap. So I would agree to work longer - but see the world.
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 2 October 2019 19: 58
              0
              and who argues?))) the possibility of traveling and seeing the world is in their mentality) I suppose I have never met more gambling people. in a casino I saw in different places this is something with something) I don’t know about paint) I will definitely pay attention to it) this is a rather interesting fact for me)
          4. nikvic46
            nikvic46 3 October 2019 06: 36
            +2
            Dmitry. In Asian countries, labor comes first. Japan has only nine days off.
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 2 October 2019 09: 34
          +7
          Quote: nikvic46
          But those who were in China say that even in a small town there are museums of revolution. And portraits of Marx, Lenin, Stalin and Mao hang.

          I don’t know how it is now, but 4 a year ago I was in China and went into one small village (500 of thousands of people) there was a courtyard right next to the port and portraits of Stalin and Mao hung in a prominent place, and in the museum there, as in the old days portraits of the party leaders of China and the USSR and military commanders, and pilots (ours). There they remember the story as it was, and not the smeared blue paint of the Democrats.
        3. bober1982
          bober1982 2 October 2019 10: 24
          -1
          Quote: nikvic46
          Now we are talking that socialism in China is already only in words

          Well, how can there be socialism in words, everything is according to the behests of Comrade Stalin, Lenin and Mao - they shot demonstrators on Tiananmen Square, and then, without any "color" shocks, they began to calmly deal with the welfare of their citizens.
        4. Dart2027
          Dart2027 2 October 2019 20: 03
          0
          Quote: nikvic46
          But those who have been to China say that even in a small town there are museums of revolution

          And how many millionaires and billionaires are they not telling?
  3. Avior
    Avior 2 October 2019 07: 52
    +11
    Actually, this was to be expected.
    Due to the fact that a bourgeois capitalist state arose in Russia and the communist heroes remain, there is a dissonance and this could not continue for a long time. You cannot live in a capitalist country and glorify those who died in the struggle against the capitalists, or under communist banners.
    The process was already delayed because of the desire of the ruling elites to hide behind Soviet achievements, in particular Victory in the war, achievements in space, aviation and in some other areas.
    But as time and profusion of the Soviet legacy, memories of Soviet achievements, people will only annoy, and the Soviet legacy will be pushed.
    Well, if you just push it.
    And not to promote some Vlasov Prague manifesto describing the current situation as the ideological basis of the Vlasov movement. Everything can be expected with such a "pragmatic" approach to history.
  4. rocket757
    rocket757 2 October 2019 07: 56
    +5
    Signs of desovetization and decommunization in modern Russia

    Emasculate history, educational programs ... count, "castrate" memory!
    What will remain as a result when we SOVIET will die ???
    To what remains and succeeds, they will download it, they need IM, THE RICHES OF RICHES ...
    Opinions on this subject may be different ... and the result, in the end .... ??? But what result will depend on ALL of us!
    Our PEOPLE have never had the honor of "Ivans who do not remember kinship" !!! And we are being led to the point that we forget / betray MEMORY of our GREAT ancestors!
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 2 October 2019 09: 37
      +5
      Quote: rocket757
      What will remain as a result when we SOVIET will die ???
      Anything that remains and succeeds will be downloaded, it is necessary to them, the power of wealth to the rakers ..

      This is where everything goes. It did not work out with a "snatch, take it on a sly".
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 2 October 2019 09: 40
        0
        Quote: tihonmarine
        This is where everything goes. It did not work out with a "snatch, take it on a sly".

        Education, the consciousness of children is ruled \ koryachat from a very young age! This is SCARY, just EDGE!
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 2 October 2019 10: 39
          0
          Quote: rocket757
          Education, the consciousness of children is ruled \ koryachat from a very young age! This is SCARY, just EDGE!

          As if armageddon had come.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 2 October 2019 10: 48
            +2
            Quote: tihonmarine
            As if armageddon had come.

            Just capitalism, just power and the interests of the rich have now become the interests of the state ... the state "machine" cuts everything according to completely clumsy patterns ...
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 2 October 2019 11: 47
              +2
              Quote: rocket757
              Just capitalism, just power and interests of the rich have now become interests of the state

              I remember K. Marx F. Engels "The Manifesto of the Communist Party".
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 2 October 2019 12: 07
                +1
                Quote: tihonmarine
                Quote: rocket757
                Just capitalism, just power and interests of the rich have now become interests of the state

                I remember K. Marx F. Engels "The Manifesto of the Communist Party".

                From there it is ... as if someone didn’t want to give their own type ... anyway, the basis is the scientific works of the classics!
    2. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 2 October 2019 14: 08
      -5
      And then the country will begin to develop when the carriers of the Soviet mentality leave. While in power, alas - scoops.
  5. kalibr
    kalibr 2 October 2019 08: 04
    -2
    Quote: rocket757
    What will remain as a result when we SOVIET will die ???

    Victor! What will happen? Another generation will come with a completely different consciousness. Meeting the NEEDS of his time. For which the past will be interesting ... and no more. Is the Russian-Swedish war of 1613 of the year holy for you? Well, it was and was ... The French celebrate the capture of the Bastille, but for it itself ... Gradually, this will be the case with us and nothing can be done about it. Being determines consciousness, and not vice versa. Generations Y and Z are not like you and me, but the future lies with them. Whether we like it or not.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 2 October 2019 12: 11
      +4
      Quote: kalibr
      Meeting the NEEDS of his time.

      The needs of the ruling class ... it will be more true.
      Without memory of the past, the future can turn out to be very "sour"!
      By the way, descendants, this is all a reflection of their ancestors !!! And no one will prove to me that otherwise it is so much better .... exceptions, only confirm the rule.
  6. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 2 October 2019 08: 11
    +1
    Well done Semin.
  7. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 2 October 2019 08: 29
    +8
    The ideological component of the war is being squeezed out of our consciousness, from our life, from our everyday life, since it is directly associated with the previous historical and socio-political formation called “socialism”, with which our government today does not want to have anything in common.
    Everything is elementary simple, we know the founders of Marxism, socialism is based on public property, and capitalism is based on private property. After the collapse of the USSR, private property appeared and socialism disappeared, who benefits from it and needs it, we all know and see. The formula of socialism according to J.V. Stalin is capitalism, this is the creation of profit, and socialism is the reduction of the cost price (I am writing this in a simplified way). After Khrushchev was removed, the "two-imvirate" Brezhnev and Kosygin ruled the USSR. At the 1965 plenum named "Kosyginsky" where the basic law of socialism was replaced by the law of capitalism. The September Plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU declared that it is necessary to improve "the use of such levers as profit, price, premium, credit." And thus they laid the foundation for the death of socialism. Emphasis should be placed on reducing costs and metal consumption, and expanding the range of products. In reality, however, a "shaft" reigned in the USSR. Kharkiv professor Yevsey Lieberman was appointed as the shadow ideologist of "Kosygin's reform" ..... I don't need to say who was behind him and where from.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 2 October 2019 10: 35
      0
      Reforming the Soviet economy, introducing market elements into it, the admission of private initiative to production, was necessary in the early 60's. The command-and-planned economy was necessary for forced industrialization, for war, and for the restoration of the economy after it. After the country recovered from the consequences of the war, it became a weight on the country's feet, the reason for the lag behind developed kapstran. The reason for the shortage of goods in the end. A living example is China, which took into account Soviet errors
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 2 October 2019 11: 44
        +4
        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        Reforming the Soviet economy, introducing market elements into it, the admission of private initiative to production, was necessary at the beginning of the 60's

        In the USSR, it took place, it was called the NEP, but in reality it was pure speculation under the auspices of the state. But in the USSR under Stalin and later there were artels, engaged in small works that the enterprise could not do (not profitable), these are artels of "cold shoemakers", hunting artels, even artels of prospectors, and this did not incur losses for the state. A private trader will be able to roll his boots, but he cannot build a cosmodrome.
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 2 October 2019 11: 53
          -2
          I don’t know the spaceport, and the planes - as many as you like. Boeing, Lockheed - private firms.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 2 October 2019 12: 10
            +4
            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            I don’t know the spaceport, and the planes - as many as you like. Boeing, Lockheed - private companies

            Here is your answer, but you forgot to say that having seized the monopoly, they "lifted" prices for their products to the limit, and there is no other move (China may). This is how I wrote, "Capitalist society is based on pumping out profits, and socialist society is not based on cost reduction." Therefore, in our country the capitalists should "roll their boots", but not build a cosmodrome.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 2 October 2019 22: 58
              +1
              Boeing on pumping has already tarnished its reputation, which is why in the future this company is likely to collapse.
  8. Shuttle
    Shuttle 2 October 2019 08: 42
    +3
    The first real desovetizer and anti-communist was Comrade Khrushchev, led by his henchmen. He was not alone in person, but he, among other things, began the policy of revisionism, turning the scientific basis of the Soviet state, Marxism-Leninism, which had successfully proved to be right in the years of the previous reign, into the monasticism. In fact, it was then that the ideological foundation of the world's first state of the working people suffered the first internal catastrophic blow. The events in Novocherkassk were then still not entirely clear, but as is now seen by a completely unambiguous historical event, the beginning of the bourgeois counter-revolution. Bourgeois consciousness prevailed in the heads of the elite and from there spread throughout the country, gradually killing both initiative in production and communist self-awareness in everyday life. Even the change to Brezhnev did not help. The quintessence was the arrival of Gorbi and the legal registration of the practical collapse of the Union of Yeltsin and K.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 2 October 2019 10: 21
      +4
      Quote: Shuttle
      The first real desovetizer and anti-communist was Comrade Khrushchev, led by his henchmen
      On June 18, 1957, the Presidium of the Central Committee of the CPSU met in the Kremlin. At a meeting of the Presidium of the Central Committee, Molotov and Malenkov unexpectedly raised the question of removing Khrushchev. Mikoyan, Suslov Kirichenko and Zhukov were against the displacement of Khrushchev. I cannot understand how Zhukov, who worked the entire war with Stalin as the Deputy Supreme Commander-in-Chief, could support the Trotskyist Khrushchev. The Presidium dismissed Khrushchev from office, but on June 22, 1957, a Central Committee plenum was held. I still do not understand how all the members of the Central Committee from all over the union were delivered by Zhukov in such an organized manner. How did "people from the crowd" appear at the Plenum who shouted from the spot over the speeches of Molotov, Kaganovich and other members of the Presidium. As all the members of the Central Committee, as if already trained in one voice, supported Khrushchev, there can be no simple coincidences, everything went rehearsed, as if by notes, at someone's direction. As if this Plenum had been rehearsed long ago and the date had been fixed. We all know the outcome. And one more thing I do not understand why Zhukov said in his speech about Yakir, that in his last letter he addressed Stalin "Native IV, I am a faithful son of the party and you." But now there are documents and Yakir's letter has been published, but not to Stalin, but to the party, where he wrote with his own hand where, who, and in what places did harm. He gave out the whole "alignment", it is not possible to falsify it. But behind the Plenum other figures peep out in the shadows.
  9. Essex62
    Essex62 2 October 2019 08: 51
    +5
    Judging by how actively church dogma is being promoted, Russians will soon have an ideological platform for faith, the tsar and the Fatherland.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 3 October 2019 08: 21
      0
      Quote: Essex62
      Judging by how actively church dogma is being promoted, Russians will soon have an ideological platform for faith, the tsar and the Fatherland.

      For me it is better "For the Motherland, for Stalin, for the Father's house"! "
      1. Essex62
        Essex62 7 October 2019 11: 50
        0
        And your wishes, dear comrade, are not taken into account. Sitting on the couch, watching the militant Rastrel of the Supreme Council, reverberated throughout the Soviet people. Now they have raised another people, brought up on the laws of the jungle. The current format is worse than the one before October 1917. A scientific approach to creating a supremely selfish personality, sharpened by the desire for enrichment and personal benefits, not bound by any moral principles, conscience and compassion. Remember the popular phrase of young people "raised money." It says a lot, isn't it true? Disrespect for the older generation is cultivated from childhood, and the example of fattening thugs from the 90s teaches young people to think that it is possible to achieve something in life only by those who are not righteous (from the point of view of the normal, humane, person) by. It is extremely difficult to pick off such a system. Unless there is and will climb our resources by military means to conquer. Then options are possible. I don’t believe in such a scenario and there’s no need for it. And so they thinned out the title nation fairly. It has been historically proven that socialism is not possible in a single country. Although the fence is built, the selfish essence of homo hapiens is all one rushing out.
        But the anointed of God is stopudovo to our grandchildren, they’ll clog our neck, everything goes to that. We need a baryzh tribe ideological support. Victory in the Second World War somehow does not roll.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 7 October 2019 16: 27
          0
          Quote: Essex62
          Remember the popular phrase of young people "raised money." It says a lot, doesn't it?

          I agree that this is no longer needed by the people or the homeland.
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  11. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 2 October 2019 08: 56
    -1
    Journalist Konstantin Semin believes that in our country the ruling class is actively pursuing a policy of desovetization, decommunization, dismantling the remnants of the achievements of the Soviet state, eliminating even hints of the social state as such.

    Here is what is happening in the country and not only:
    1. Mcar
      Mcar 2 October 2019 14: 58
      +1
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Here is what is happening in the country and not only:

      The movie is wonderful! Only ... I don’t want to, but in the announced interview, Platoshkin will leave the conversation about the class struggle.
  12. demo
    demo 2 October 2019 09: 28
    +2
    The fact that the history of our state is rewritten, rewritten and, most likely, will be rewritten more than once, no one doubts this.
    Who is doing this for the sake of?
    The question is very simple and complex at the same time.
    But I was a little confused by the accents that the journalist places.
    According to him, it turns out that the bulk of young people, of the war era, took weapons based on communist beliefs.
    This cannot be a true statement.
    Naturally, I cannot have extensive factual material (and who can have it?) About the reasons for the massive impulse to form volunteer units.
    I can only say one fact that I have no doubt about - this is my father.
    He left at 42 as a volunteer when he was not even 17 years old.
    When asked about the reasons for this step, he answered like this:
    It’s a shame to sit out your pants when your peers are already fighting.
    To the question of whether he understood that he might be killed or injured, the answer was as follows:
    At this age, such "nonsense" does not come to mind.
    Youth is characterized by maximalism - I am all, but nobody.
    And the first baptism of fire very quickly "cleared the mind."
    Volunteers advanced from Rostov towards Bataisk.
    And then German planes appeared in the sky.
    The boys with rifles were shot by the Germans from machine guns, like sheep.
    The width of the rocky road was 12-15 meters. On the right and on the left is water. The time of year is autumn.
    So.
    When, my father said, he jumped into the water, he did not feel that it was cold.
    It was not just scary, but very scary.
    And it was the experienced fear, and the ability to master it, that allowed him to go through the whole war and return home.

    Communist ideology could not be massive.
    For many reasons.
    After the war ended, it became exactly what we used to consider to be mass.
    Wounds from excesses on both sides until the 40s were too fresh.
    The people, in their mass, looked closely and adapted.

    And the text of Great Music - Get up a huge country, does not carry an ideological burden.
    He is closer to folklore.
    Carefully Mr. Semin re-read the text.

    And what the current authorities are doing with our History is obscurantism.
    But no one has yet succeeded in combining the periods up to 17 years, then 70 years of Soviet power and the current hard times, into a single History of the country.
    Hope so far failed.
    1. don-1500
      don-1500 2 October 2019 13: 19
      +2
      Perhaps my grandfather and your father were fellow soldiers, although it was at this time (the liberation of Rostov and the battles in the Taganrog-Mariupol direction) that my grandfather was in the shraf company. But I will correct you all the same. It is not possible to advance from Rostov to Bataysk, this is called "retreat", they retreated in July 42. So your father dived into the waters of the rowing canal, most likely in the area of ​​the famous monument to the tachanka, and it was the end of January 43rd, no matter how autumn. That is, it was even colder
      1. demo
        demo 2 October 2019 14: 16
        0
        I was wrong with the year.
        It was 41.
        But it was November.
        And this was the first offensive operation on a par with Moscow.
        The fact that they were advancing, but not retreating - there is no doubt about it.
        Since they were formed into marching columns in Rostov, in military registration and enlistment offices.
        And Taganrog - it was generally hell.
        Once I got to Matveyev Kurgan.
        There was a representative delegation from Azerbaijan.
        So the guide said that only in one day the militia division consisting of 18 summer boys of Azerbaijanis was destroyed.
        According to the guide, the German machine gunners went crazy.
        Advancing along a flat slope upwards, where the peak is fortified and rife with armed people, is horror.
  13. Campanella
    Campanella 2 October 2019 09: 44
    0
    And at this time in China, for breaking the bad words about Stalin, the American attache was breaking their nose with legs kicking ...
  14. Victorio
    Victorio 2 October 2019 09: 53
    +4
    Pay attention to the Russian language, there are only solid borrowings all around. I won’t be surprised if in about 10 years, if we survive, a mixture of English will dominate in the country
  15. NBV
    NBV 2 October 2019 10: 00
    -12
    The social experiment called "communism" and dubbed "socialism" is one of the hateful ideologies built on mass graves, broken lives and the suppression of any form of freedom. But the people of Russia do not know freedom, they are afraid of her, and even when she has them, they do not know what to do with her. Back in 1215, the “Magna Carta” was voted in England and laid the foundations for democratic institutions that still do not work in Russia and the Russians still want to be ruled by a “father”, “leader” and “teacher” who any law is superior. In Russia, Orwell's principles "Big brother is looking at you", "crime of thought", "new language", "freedom is slavery" are fully valid. What kind of "de-Sovietization, decommunization" is carried out when Red Square eats with Lenin's mummy, when there is a cult of mass murderers like Lenin and Stalin, and when the opposition is not allowed to participate in elections, and any form of free thought and opposition to the authorities is suppressed by repression and murder of political opponents?
  16. AU Ivanov.
    AU Ivanov. 2 October 2019 10: 25
    -4
    The two terms "Soviet" and "Communist" should not be confused. Soviet power is the power of the people's representatives, that is, the deputies elected by the whole people. She was not in the USSR. The Soviets were a decorative body, without real power. Everything was run by the top of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and local communist kings. Whom the people did not elect, they were nominated in their own narrow circle.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 2 October 2019 11: 03
      +4
      Quote: AS Ivanov.
      Soviet power is the power of elected representatives, that is, deputies elected by the whole people. She was not in the USSR. The Soviets were a decorative organ that did not possess real power.

      You can argue and prove the absurdity of the categorical nature of your words, but ... stop Even so (with hypertrophied comparisons and examples). That is, in your opinion, there was no popular power? Is this all the scenery? And now what power? Folk or clan of oligarchs?
      No one discounts those negative phenomena that occurred in the substitution of the power of people's deputies by party bodies. It was they who led to the separation of the party leadership from the people, this was the reason for the lack of support of the CPSU, with the subsequent manifestation of indifference to the process of liquidation of the USSR ...
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 2 October 2019 11: 12
        -1
        Here I am about it. The Soviet state and the communist elite collapsed. And now in power are people who, at one time wore a party card - hence all our troubles. So decommunization is needed, even as needed.
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 2 October 2019 19: 36
          -1
          The Soviet state and the communist elite collapsed.
          And now the current elite is breaking up the federation. So what does decommunization have to do with it?
          1. Victorio
            Victorio 2 October 2019 20: 39
            +2
            Quote: Gardamir
            The Soviet state and the communist elite collapsed.
            And now the current elite is breaking up the federation. So what does decommunization have to do with it??

            ===
            a bogeyman is needed in order to clean up either power or money. far and no need to go, the elite in the ex-Soviet republics on this or nationalism rose.
  17. Strashila
    Strashila 2 October 2019 10: 30
    0
    "Signs of desovetization and decommunization in modern Russia" ... and other degradation of society and the state.
  18. Lexus
    Lexus 2 October 2019 11: 44
    +5
    Forgive me, if a country is ashamed of its past, hiding its face under a mask (the notorious posters on Red Square), while sparkling with trick-or-treating and naked "lower rear dimensions" "popdiv" and "fledgling boys", then this is a thief's "raspberry".
  19. savage1976
    savage1976 2 October 2019 12: 18
    -1
    I read it, looked at the reviews and realized that all those admirers of the USSR are now doing the same thing with the modern Russian Federation as they blame their opponents. The Russian Federation is not the motherland, only galoshes are made in it, everything is sold and everything is stolen. But in fact the blind are both.
  20. kalibr
    kalibr 2 October 2019 13: 08
    +2
    Quote: rocket757
    By the way, descendants, this is all a reflection of their ancestors !!! And no one will prove to me that otherwise it is so much better .... exceptions, only confirm the rule.

    There is a saying in Dagestan: Where there are no good children, there were no good old people! "Think about these words ...
  21. kalibr
    kalibr 2 October 2019 13: 11
    +1
    Quote: tihonmarine
    I can’t understand how Zhukov, who worked the entire war with Stalin as deputy Supreme Commander, could support Trotskyist Khrushchev.

    So there was interest in doing so, huh? What interest? Private!!! And in what he is unlikely to know.
  22. d.olegov44
    d.olegov44 2 October 2019 14: 48
    +2
    Journalist Konstantin Semin believes that in our country the ruling class is actively pursuing a policy of desovetization, decommunization, dismantling the remnants of the achievements of the Soviet state, eliminating even hints of the social state as such.


    But Mr. Semin does not think that first you need to bring your family and child from the United States back to Russia and only then teach us to love her?

    If on the topic, then the shamefully closed mausoleum is a spit from our bureaucrats into the history of our country. Stalin, then, wasn’t zapadlo at the mausoleum, standing over the inscription LENIN, wasn’t zapadzhu Brezhnev, not even a drunk in the fight zapadlo - and Putin zapadolo? So chtoli?
    1. Victorio
      Victorio 3 October 2019 11: 12
      0
      Quote: d.olegov44
      Stalin, then, wasn’t zapadlo at the mausoleum, standing over the inscription LENIN, wasn’t zapadzhu Brezhnev, not even a drunk in the fight zapadlo - and Putin zapadolo? So chtoli?

      ===
      standing on the mausoleum is not worth it, as well as not touching the story either.
  23. Dalton
    Dalton 2 October 2019 19: 08
    +4
    Journalist Konstantin Semin believes that in our country the ruling class is actively pursuing a policy of desovetization, decommunization, dismantling the remnants of the achievements of the Soviet state, eliminating even hints of the social state as such.

    hard to disagree
  24. Vadim237
    Vadim237 2 October 2019 22: 24
    0
    Communism has already outlived its time to retire.
    1. Victorio
      Victorio 3 October 2019 11: 16
      +3
      Quote: Vadim237
      Communism has already outlived its time to retire.

      ===
      and he has not yet been born, but capitalism is very likely to bring everyone to rest.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 3 October 2019 12: 37
        -3
        It will not lead - capitalism has existed since the advent of mankind. And the USSR conducted industrialization thanks to the capitalist countries, buying equipment from them, hiring foreign experts. Money will not disappear anywhere, as well as commodity-money relations from people's lives.
        1. place
          place 3 October 2019 16: 53
          +3
          Since the advent of mankind, only the stupidity of mankind has existed. And capitalism is the rule of the bourgeoisie. There are only the last 300 years. And then - not in every country.
          And from the fact that China or the USSR carried out industrialization with the help of foreigners, it does not at all follow that everyone everywhere must abandon legislation that is beneficial to working people.
          BTW: MONEY EXISTED UNDER FEUDAL LAW AND EVEN IN ANCIENT ROME, AND NOT ONLY UNDER CAPITALISM. So, without capitalism they can exist.
          Probably still did not get it? I thought so ......
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 3 October 2019 19: 44
            0
            Quote: ort
            So, without capitalism they can exist.

            Communism is a social system whose production relations are based on public ownership of the means of production, in which there is no division into classes, the antithesis between town and country, between mental and physical labor, and distribution according to needs, is carried out.
            Without capitalism, money can exist, but under communism it no longer exists.
            1. Essex62
              Essex62 7 October 2019 12: 07
              0
              Everything is so. Only where the bestial nature of the superintelligent animal - the predator to put, his desire to dominate? Neither biblical covenants nor communist ideals are attainable. A beast is a beast, even if there is a ton of brain in his head.
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 7 October 2019 19: 54
                0
                Quote: Essex62
                A beast is a beast, even if there is a ton of brain in his head.

                Unfortunately, this is life, and I know it very well.
  25. O_s_c_a_R
    O_s_c_a_R 30 October 2019 11: 37
    +1
    The past is rejected, and victory is appropriated. Like apartment thieves taking the most valuable.
  26. ASASHOKA
    ASASHOKA 2 November 2019 18: 02
    0
    It is a pity that all the institutions created in the country (in the broad sense of the word) painstakingly do not explain to our people what was in our history (step by step), what followed what, what influenced or who, or what, causes, consequences , consequences ... etc. (although they may be doing the right thing (on the ground), but not as a united front - after all, "some are in the woods, some for firewood"), but they basically focus on the global, which obscures, obscures both breakthroughs and problems , and ups and downs with one or two or three common oily spots, behind which one cannot discern the truth that is brightly and clearly outlined. This is especially true with regards to revolutions and wars with the participation of our people. And we have a lot of them, unfortunately.
    Sometimes our real youth are not able to assess these or those events in history (historical figures) that were heard and talked about until recently, 30-20 years ago, and just touch the period a little further - a complete mess in their heads. Sorry for them. Truly, our youth's "clip" thinking is brought up "at the state level" ... with mother's milk.
  27. Brigadier
    Brigadier 6 November 2019 06: 43
    0
    Putin and his entourage at ... hmm ... "the helm of the country's government" - one of the richest people in Russiathat are extremely disadvantageous to WE ALL remembered the great USSR, where the people lived well, securely and freely, and not like in today's "Putin" Russia - in poverty, complete uncertainty about the future and social cuts in the rights of our people, (in the form of at least the same pension robbery), allegedly "guaranteed" by the Yeltsin Constitution,.

    As there, he once said about his salary:



    Well, when at least 80-85% of Russians will be the same as Putin, not know about the size of their salaries, then we can talk about Russia as a prosperous country.
    And now everything is exactly the opposite.

    Who wants his life to become more and more "interesting" in the future - vote in the next elections for Putin (or his protégé) and the unforgettable EdRo!
    100% guarantee you an unforgettable experience after the election!
  28. Adinfka
    Adinfka 29 November 2019 12: 29
    0
    Quote: Mikhalych
    In general, Russia is the lot of the Mother of God. And it (Russia) God preserves as long as the Orthodox faith is preserved in it. God allowed the Bolsheviks to win in 1917 because it was a lesser evil than the whites who fought for the crunch of the "French roll". If the liberal lovers of buns had won, then the "90s" would have come even then, and only horns and legs would have remained from Russia. The end of the world would have come then.
    hi

    You’re right, I don’t understand why you were bombarded.