The shipbuilding boom in the Russian Federation has exposed a number of major industry problems

The shipbuilding industry is one of the largest engineering industries in the economy of our country, possessing high scientific and technical potential. Today, Russia is experiencing a boom in shipbuilding, as evidenced by the active development of such an industry as civil shipbuilding. At least, the authors of the video on the channel "Time - Forward!" Claim a boom.




From video:
"We can confidently say that Russian enterprises are secured by state orders for the near future."

Our country is investing billions in updating its fleet many recognized market leaders were envious. Indeed, for Japanese, Korean and Finnish companies, this means one thing: the loss of the multimillion-dollar profit that they could receive from Russian orders.

What was the impetus for the development of our own production in this industry? What adequate measures to support civil shipbuilding have been developed by the state today? What are the biggest challenges the industry has faced? How are they going to solve one of the most important problems of the industry at the state level - the lack of qualified personnel? The authors of the next issue of “Time is Ahead!” Try to answer these questions.

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  1. ultra 30 September 2019 16: 19 New
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    What kind of nonsense have I just read? wassat
    1. Mestny 30 September 2019 16: 29 New
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      There is a video attached. Everything is told in it.
      Watch horses and wrestlers with caution!
      It may undermine that.
      1. ultra 30 September 2019 16: 40 New
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        I’m not fighting the regime, it’s not a "lordly" matter. And I don’t need to look at "propaganda", I live in that country and see the state of our high-tech industries. I would call it "in the ass." hi
        1. Vadim237 30 September 2019 20: 13 New
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          "I live in that country and see the state of our high-tech industries." And where exactly do you see this: region, city, village.? There is no need to talk about the whole country - you do not know where, who and what produces in Russia.
      2. ultra 30 September 2019 16: 42 New
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        Quote: Mestny
        It may undermine that.

        Do you know this from personal experience? laughing
    2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk 30 September 2019 16: 48 New
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      Mikhail, you said word for word what I thought while reading the title of the article. hi
    3. Deck 30 September 2019 16: 48 New
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      What kind of nonsense have I just read?


      And two years ago https://russian.rt.com/russia/article/398467-vmf-korabli-modernizaciya
      And a year ago https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/201802081234-gcuu.htm
      And this year https://russian.rt.com/russia/article/616019-rossiya-flot-vooruzhenie-korabli-rakety
      Boom every year. Practically: BOOM-BOOM-BOOM. It’s time to get used to it. laughing
    4. Revival 30 September 2019 18: 19 New
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      The usual propaganda, but extremely inept. Although, as they say, yourself, try, in the absence of real Achievements, blow them out of nowhere and even in plain sight. And so it turns out negative "growth" in the economy and so on.
  2. The popuas 30 September 2019 16: 20 New
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    Right BOOM repeat
    1. ultra 30 September 2019 16: 41 New
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      Of course, the “boom” here the Chinese will finish the shipyard for us and we will rivet gas carriers from Chinese and Korean components. laughing
  3. gabonskijfront 30 September 2019 16: 27 New
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    In our port, the Peter Morgunov BDK is demagnetizing, directly opposite the wintering pit of a pike perch, while a pike perch is standing there, it does not bite fundamentally.
    1. Botanologist 30 September 2019 16: 59 New
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      Quote: gabonskijfront
      while he stands there the pike perch does not peck fundamentally


      beckoned
    2. Edik 30 September 2019 17: 41 New
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      Quote: gabonskijfront
      In our port is on the demagnetization of the BDK "Peter Morgunov"

      As I understand it, you are fundamentally against the growth of shipbuilding in Russia laughing
    3. Nikolai 30 September 2019 17: 49 New
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      Try changing the hook to non-magnetic.
    4. Serg65 1 October 2019 08: 10 New
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      Quote: gabonskijfront
      zander does not peck fundamentally

      Drown Morgunov and you will have zander!
  4. ultra 30 September 2019 16: 54 New
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    Quote: gabonskijfront
    In our port, the Peter Morgunov BDK is demagnetizing, directly opposite the wintering pit of a pike perch, while a pike perch is standing there, it does not bite fundamentally.

    Hope he won’t stand there as long as his "big brother" built. laughing
  5. Proton 30 September 2019 17: 06 New
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    In China, the boom is so booming, and this is all agitation, it’s possible to lay 100 ships (such a solid boom), but to bring the real descent to pieces in 15 years some way through 20 (also a boom, but already in a puddle) laughing
  6. tihonmarine 30 September 2019 17: 26 New
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    And how many shipyards are there for building a fleet? Maybe an unknown person will call us. But I doubt the boom.
    1. AU Ivanov. 30 September 2019 17: 34 New
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      St. Petersburg shipyards are inundated with orders for many years to come.
      1. tihonmarine 1 October 2019 07: 36 New
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        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        St. Petersburg shipyards are inundated with orders for many years to come.

        There are only two large plants Admiralteysky and Baltiysky, the latter does not even compare with Polish shipyards. The largest ship-repairing "Kanonersky" plant has made berth for fruits of Krasnodar firm "Magnet". A small fleet is being built at small shipyards. All shipyards of the USSR remained at the "404 bug".
        1. Serg65 1 October 2019 08: 34 New
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          Quote: tihonmarine
          And how many shipyards are there for building a fleet?

          There are as many shipyards as there are after the communist demarche in 1991!
          Quote: tihonmarine
          The largest ship-repairing "Kanonersky" plant has made berth for fruits of the Krasnodar company "Magnet".

          Why did the shipyard lease the berth?
          Quote: tihonmarine
          All shipyards of the USSR remained at the 404 error.

          what Is everything straight? Not three out of seven?
          1. tihonmarine 1 October 2019 09: 20 New
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            Quote: Serg65
            Why did the shipyard lease the berth?

            He is no longer there.
            1. Serg65 1 October 2019 09: 40 New
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              Quote: tihonmarine
              He is no longer there.

              what Do not rush to cut the rooster for a wake, it will come in handy for you!
          2. tihonmarine 1 October 2019 09: 22 New
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            Quote: Serg65
            Is everything straight? Not three out of seven?

            So in terms of power they are like six (we don’t take Sevmash).
            1. Serg65 1 October 2019 09: 41 New
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              Quote: tihonmarine
              So in terms of power they are like six

              The Nikolaev plants + Kherson were equal to two Petersburg!
              1. tihonmarine 1 October 2019 10: 38 New
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                Quote: Serg65
                The Nikolaev plants + Kherson were equal to two Petersburg!

                Prove it.
        2. Paranoid50 2 October 2019 20: 36 New
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          Quote: tihonmarine
          All shipyards of the USSR remained at the 404 error.

          laughing laughing laughing
    2. Vadim237 30 September 2019 20: 00 New
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      There are 165 shipyards and repair plants in Russia in total.
      1. tihonmarine 2 October 2019 21: 23 New
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        Quote: Vadim237
        Total in Russia 165 shipyards and repair plants

        From 2008 to 2010, he drove metal to shipbuilding plants in Houston, and General Dynamics used to be factories at that time. In 22010, I unloaded fish and citrus fruits at the Baltic factory of St. Petersburg, it was a shipyard, but not a factory where people walked in boots from the entrance to the pier. Time has passed, maybe that has changed, even though they began to build ships, and not to transship oranges. But it takes time to build a shipyard, and most importantly, unique equipment that the West does not sell to Russia. And to build large ships and ships, it is precisely large factories and high-tech ones that are needed, such as in the USA and Britain and France. Shapkozakatelstvom ships and ships can not be built. Plus you need big dry and floating docks, and a lot of things are needed. At least take any equipment, starting from staples, blocks, toilets and sinks, the same fixtures (waterproof) and much more. Under the Union, the whole country worked for this.
        1. Vadim237 5 October 2019 17: 45 New
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          There is someone to do this, but not for you and not for me.
  7. rocket757 30 September 2019 17: 48 New
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    Somewhere, according to the boom! And where then is not a boom?
  8. bars1 30 September 2019 17: 50 New
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    Quote: tihonmarine
    And how many shipyards are there for building a fleet? Maybe an unknown person will call us. But I doubt the boom.

    I understand that if you wrote it in years like this 2005-2010 ... But now whining: ,, all the way! "Is clearly inappropriate
  9. tinkle 30 September 2019 18: 05 New
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    To begin with, it would be necessary to train qualified personnel, but to update equipment and accessories, otherwise we work with a tool from the USSR 70-late 80xx
    1. Vadim237 30 September 2019 20: 05 New
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      "And then we work with an instrument from the USSR 70-late 80xx" Do you have: keys, cutters, grinders, welding machines, masks, chameleons, ultrasonic flaw detectors - the 70s and 80s of the USSR?
      1. Petrol cutter 30 September 2019 20: 33 New
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        Well, there is such a thing on the ground. No need to equal the capital. What kind of masks are hamelyen ?! Such is at mnuomu. At the factory, nobody will ever buy it for you. Half the TIRs still (if it’s talking about something. Cutters ... God forgive me. There is a Harris company, even the factory itself made a copy in Murmansk. A fine, safe cutter. They give out a standard model (grandfather to Berlin I went with him.) Grinders! .. Putin’s permission must be given to me to finally get the Bulgarian DevVolt. And then I knocked out the coil for another two months. Bo the Bulgarian without wires is a useless piece of iron.
        I can roll another hundred pages to you like what and what is done * on the ground *.
        What is an ultrasonic flaw detector - I have no idea.
        In a shipbuilding - under x-ray cook.
        1. Mordvin 3 30 September 2019 20: 58 New
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          Quote: Benzorez
          Bulgarian! .. It is necessary permission of Putin himself, so that they finally give me a Bulgarian

          It’s you still living curly, for some time we haven’t been given a tool at all, we had to buy it. And Vadim, it seems, lives in parallel reality. By the way, Soviet drills are much better than modern ones. The other day I managed to bend the top five as much as 90 degrees. And I have a drill 1974 model year and plows well. But the modern came up after a couple of years of work. And the Soviet keys will be stronger than the Chinese, although my grandfather also went to Berlin with them. laughing
          1. Petrol cutter 30 September 2019 21: 47 New
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            Keys, drills, screwdrivers are definitely THING! I hit Hitachi’s grinder, I brought it home. Since there was nothing to work stupidly. And nobody canceled the plan. It was a pity, but she fairy a hundred times worked out its value and to this day lies in the closet. Return from the factory, I can not stand it.
            With a tool tight. They take a teaspoon a year and you need to have time to grab it, but not yet ... the moment when it was delivered.
            1. Mordvin 3 30 September 2019 21: 55 New
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              Quote: Benzorez
              With a tool tight. They take a teaspoon a year and you need to have time to grab it, but not yet ... the moment when it was delivered.

              Heh, they don’t even give me glasses, I have to buy my own. In an injury already five times was, took out scales. I don’t buy any overalls or boots.
          2. Vadim237 1 October 2019 12: 37 New
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            "By the way, Soviet drills are much better than modern ones." Well, yes, only the cutters and cutters were bad, and the drills weren’t all good, on high-speed steel and additives: tantalum, titanium, molybdenum, cobalt began to be saved in the 60s.
        2. Serg65 1 October 2019 08: 38 New
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          Quote: Benzorez
          I can roll another hundred pages to you like what and what is done * on the ground *.

          what And 5 years ago, how were things at your plant?
          1. Petrol cutter 1 October 2019 20: 02 New
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            * And 5 years ago, how were things at your plant? *
            Five years ago, there was no way. The plant stood stupidly and fell apart. And at that time I was playing mother with a Ukrainian passport in Russia.
            I understand, for what a question. And this is not a complaint about jist, but a conversation for production.
            TAM, someone shares the enterprise, they will not share it. Oddly enough, we suffer. That will be Pella. Hooray, let it be Pella. Two years later, no Pell. Rostec will be. That let even Rosnano be. In addition to breaking the workshops, they will finally begin to deal with the plant?! ..
            The local directorate does what it wants; there is no control over it (as far as I can see). Only some commissions ride endlessly, the production managers change endlessly.
            ... And nothing happens. In a positive way.
        3. Vadim237 1 October 2019 12: 32 New
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          In shipbuilding - cooked under x-rays. Already, ultrasonic flaw detection is being introduced.
      2. SOVIET UNION 2 30 September 2019 23: 08 New
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        In Vadim gives! We even had no screwdrivers in the stores! Manually twisted. Fucking optimizers! Today I see this trend. You need? Go and buy what you need! I am not kidding. Single case? Well I do not know. But today I don’t work there.
        1. Vadim237 1 October 2019 12: 43 New
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          “We don’t even have screwdrivers in stores.” Well, this is a problem for your company. I buy everything I need for my own and do not save.
          1. SOVIET UNION 2 1 October 2019 17: 40 New
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            Sorry. All owners have a different approach. But basically a fussy approach. And I would like the approach to be like yours.
    2. Serg65 1 October 2019 08: 36 New
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      Quote: Zvyaga
      First you need to prepare qualified personnel

      First you need to get orders ... and financing! No orders, no frames!
      1. AnderS 2 October 2019 20: 17 New
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        First you need to get orders ... and financing! No orders, no frames!

        First you need to press the tail of the oligarchs so that the money is not withdrawn and invested in Russian production, banks should nationalize everything, so that all loans are either interest-free or at 0,5 percent per annum, in general, a lot of things need to be done to begin with ... you won’t do this while the oligarch’s best friend, comrades, continues to sit in the Kremlin ...
  10. Strashila 30 September 2019 18: 17 New
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    "The shipbuilding boom in the Russian Federation exposed a number of the most important problems of the industry," which revealed ... shipbuilding plants were put into operation with metal, in particular, the Krasnoyarsk shipbuilding plant.
  11. Lexus 30 September 2019 19: 13 New
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    Another "success".
    1. Vadim237 30 September 2019 20: 20 New
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      Imagine the success - for those who do this, these ships have a displacement of 5000 tons
      1. Lexus 30 September 2019 20: 51 New
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        these ships have a displacement of 5000 tons

        Medium trawler (seiner, longline, processor) 5000 tons ??? Indeed?
        I saw this infographic in several sources, about the displacement you greatly embellished.
        1. Petrol cutter 30 September 2019 21: 33 New
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          Actually .. yes .. maybe they all put together an offset of five thousand? recourse
          1. Lexus 30 September 2019 22: 32 New
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            And if you read and count the original article, then you really want to cry.
            https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4104451?fbclid=IwAR1XdNjpojfRxt__OY_Z7djtabkvvIacKWD736_tnDFo8mObIfT_WBfoTlI
            43 vessels at 6 shipyards in a few years. And already all the deadlines are shifting to the right, because the projects themselves are foreign - there are problems with the documentation and components.
          2. Vadim237 30 September 2019 22: 38 New
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            Trawlers are not small
            Displacement (full): 3730 t.

            Deadweight: 1400 t.

            The main dimensions: length - 70 m, width - 13.5 m, draft - 6.6 m.

            Maximum travel speed: 14.5 knots

            Crew: 60 people
            1. Vadim237 30 September 2019 22: 50 New
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              Project trawler 170701
              Displacement: 5500 t.

              length - 81.6 m, width - 16

              Maximum travel speed: 15 knots

              Crew: 70 people
          3. Serg65 1 October 2019 08: 46 New
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            Quote: Benzorez
            maybe they all put together an offset of five thousand?

            Well, a little Vadim embellished .... a little! The average trawler is 3600 tons, the processor is 7000 tons, the large trawler is 5000 tons.
            And?
            1. Vadim237 1 October 2019 13: 09 New
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              IIIii - This is
              PSZ "Yantar" began construction of a large freezer trawler
              This is the largest fishing vessel currently under construction at Russian shipyards - its length is 121 meters and its displacement is about 13 thousand tons.
              1. Vadim237 1 October 2019 13: 16 New
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                The construction of a railway ferry for the Baltic Sea has begun

                The main dimensions: length - 199.9 m, width - 27.4 m, draft - 6 m.

                Navigation range: 3000 miles

                Speed: - 16.5 knots

                Autonomy in fuel, water and provisions: 10 days

                Crew: 24 person

                Passenger: 12 people

                Cargo capacity: from 36 to 80 wagons (depending on type) or 58 trucks and up to 15 freight trailers

                The ship has an ice class Arc4. There is still a lot of interesting things in shipbuilding - but here only shipbuilding is not interesting to me.
                1. Mkhail 1 October 2019 18: 56 New
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                  I wonder how this will affect the Baltic states ... one more bottom.
            2. Petrol cutter 1 October 2019 20: 26 New
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              No, well, trawlers for which it seems like there is an order from our company (if they do not lie, pieces from eight to ten), such an offset does not threaten most likely.
              But all this is such a fog ... In short, until it leaves the Pell factory, in any case, nothing will happen. Since it occupies the largest and most combat-ready assembly shop. And a slip.
              By the way, exclusive news - rolling began, followed by launching of the MRK 22800. The first is pumped out on a slip today. It used to be called * Storm *, as they’ll call it now, I don’t know. hi
  12. Petrol cutter 30 September 2019 19: 30 New
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    Of course, this is good news for us shipbuilders. I would also like this Boom to have a beneficial effect on the salaries of the participants of this Boom.
    And then, somehow mysteriously it turns out. In production, the boom, and production workers of the first category, cannot get out of debt.
    1. bk316 30 September 2019 21: 38 New
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      Production workers of the first category cannot get out of debt.

      You are from the Crimea Vitaly, why did you accumulate so many debts with Ukrainians?
      1. Petrol cutter 1 October 2019 19: 20 New
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        And how do you order a family of three to live for as many as twenty-seven thousand issued for a month? Dear you are my man.
        To go on shift, not to offer.
        Question number two - do you keep in touch though ... With what kind of body do you care about my Ukrainian debts ?! Well, how do I have none? What will you do? ...
  13. Tests 30 September 2019 21: 28 New
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    Vadim 237 (Vadim), dear, whose engines will go on trawlers? What about fishing equipment? And whose fish-processing equipment will be? Tales of the fact that the fishermen’s fleet has not been updated for 40 years is disgusting to listen to. Please find time about the trawlers, etc. 50010 type "Jagry" read. The fourth building, rolling on the "Star" - this is not funny for many years ... The gas cutter (Vitaliy) outlined the situation very clearly, not even a little paint is thickening. Not the personnel that they lost during the years of building capitalism in the Russian Federation, nor their equipment. Steel hulls have not yet been forgotten how to do it, but with the saturation of ships with equipment, the plug at the plug and plug is driven, starting from paints, glues and tools, to electronics.
    1. Vadim237 30 September 2019 22: 39 New
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      It will be interesting to look at the guts.
    2. Vadim237 30 September 2019 22: 56 New
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      "Tales that the fishermen’s fleet has not been updated for 40 years are disgusting to listen to. Please find time to read about the Yagry type trawlers, etc. 50010." Sorry - but call the update two trawlers, the first was built in 2002, the second was completed already in 2013, the language will not turn.
    3. Vadim237 30 September 2019 23: 14 New
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      And here diesels on the way
      "Representatives of the Kolomensky Zavod (part of Transmashholding) reported significant progress on the creation of the 16СД16 marine 500-cylinder diesel engine based on a new engine of the D-500 type of their own design. Testing of the ship’s installation will begin before the end of 2018, now the construction of the test bench is being completed.

      16SD500 is the naval version of the D500 diesel engine in a 16-cylinder version, there is a 20-cylinder version for the energy sector and a 12-cylinder version for locomotives on the railway. D500 (pictured above) is a four-stroke combined internal combustion engine of dimension CHN26,5 / 31 with a V-shaped arrangement of cylinders with gas turbine supercharging and cooling of charge air.

      At the same time, the D500 at the Kolomensky Zavod developed another new generation diesel engine - the D300. It belongs to the type range ChN26 / 28, and power plants based on it are designed for ships, diesel locomotives and power plants. D300 and D500 have power from 3600 to 10000 hp.
      The enterprise is modernizing production - it’s almost 15 billion rubles, which will allow by 2021 to launch in Russia, in fact, a new plant for the production of modern medium-speed diesel engines. "
    4. Serg65 1 October 2019 08: 48 New
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      Quote: Tests
      Not a single cadre that has been lost over the years of building capitalism in the Russian Federation

      So why did you ruin the country? Right now we would have lived under communism!
      1. Mkhail 1 October 2019 19: 01 New
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        Those who were falling apart needed not communism, but the fact that the people built along the road to it ...
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          But communism itself in the civilian sector has essentially not created anything.
  14. Sapsan136 1 October 2019 01: 02 New
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    The industry of the Russian Federation today has one problem - pseudo-efficient managers who do not want to pay decent salaries to workers and technically update the enterprises they have received from the USSR ... This is the main reason for the low production rate in the Russian Federation
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    Journalists write whatever they get, or rather what they order. They will be ordered to say that shipbuilding is developing at an incredible pace - please, the newspaper Vzglyad:

    Russia builds ships for the development of the Arctic https://vz.ru/economy/2019/8/28/994602.html

    From this, we learn that the Vostochnaya Verf shipyard in Vladivostok launched a tanker with a deadweight of as much as 1600 tons. Moreover, it was laid in 2015, and putting it on the water does not mean that it has already been delivered to the customer. Judging by the photos found on the network, there is not even an add-on there yet. For the Eastern shipyard, of course, this is indeed an achievement, because before it had not built anything larger than 1000 tons, and it fell into decay pretty much over the time of nameless ones. But the journalist with reverence writes: this confirms the competitiveness of ship manufacturing facilities located in the east of the country, near world shipbuilding centers - Korea, China, Japan (here the Japanese, along with the Koreans and Chinese laughed! Although this epoch-making event is unlikely to have reached them). And it is not clear to the author that in fact he threw a huge pig to our shipbuilding, boasting a construction period of more than 5 years. A shipowner, if he suddenly thinks casually — if I should order a steamer at a domestic shipyard — having read this, he will run headlong to the Croesians. And most likely, to the Chinese.
    1. Vadim237 1 October 2019 13: 01 New
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      And the Steamboats are already building it laid in 15.08.2016/2019/XNUMX, launched in May XNUMX
      in September presented a new project East trawler
  16. Tests 1 October 2019 19: 01 New
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    Vadim237 (Vadim), dear, Zvyozdochka in 1996 began to build trawlers, etc. 50010 for fishermen from Murmansk, a series was planned of 4 vessels. 01.01.1998/23.04.2002/2 - "Yagry" commissioned. 17.12.2013/2/XNUMX - "Arkhangelsk" commissioned. The third - "Severodvinsk" rode for a long time, the customer had no money. As a result, the Osvobozhdenie fishing collective farm from Mezen district of the Arkhangelsk region found the money for completion, renamed the trawler to Koida , the trawler was handed over to the customer on December XNUMX, XNUMX. The fourth building has been riding the Zvyozdochka for many years. There is no money, but you. ... And you, dear, we are talking about XNUMX ships ... Somewhere you seem to have read not there or not ....
    Yes, in 2015, in Istanbul, for the 7 fishing collective farms of the Nenets Autonomous Okrug, the Pechora trawler made a buckthorn. The collective farms did not have the money to build a ship alone. I don’t know about the purchase of seiners in Korea and China for fishermen of the Far East - I live in the Arkhangelsk region, my cousin’s cousin in the “Arkhangelsk Trawl Fleet” produces fish ... It seems very propaganda about 40 years that the fishing fleet has not been updated ...
    Well, about the program "Quotas under keel":
    At Pella, they made pr. 03095 Andromeda for Murmansk. Fisheries and fish processing equipment - Norway, also a bow thruster. And the most important thing is, naturally, the beloved Vyartsila. The Andromeda prototype, the Mirah seiner was designed in Norway in Croatia in 2014 for the same customer as the Andromeda - Murmanseld -2. "Castor", what you have in the photo is a continuation of the series of pr. 03095.
    The Admiralty Shipyards for the Russian Fisheries Company under the Norwegian project ST-192 by Skipsteknisk are made by seiners. The lead ship is being built in Turkey.
    "Amber" made "Leninets" for the Far East on the ave. SK - 3101R design is not the Russian Federation. 2 more ships are planned. Laid down "Victor Gavrilov" project - LLC "Vyartsila Vostok" city of St. Petersburg.
    Vyborg on KMT-01 ave. Built the Barents Sea ainer for the ARKHANGEL TRADING FLEET as the basis for ST-118 ave., Not ours at all ... At Kommersant, on September 19.09.2019, XNUMX, the director of the Vyborg plant was interviewed: “Faced with a situation where entire sections are sent to scrap.” There about fishing and fish processing equipment painted clearly and clearly.
    Serg65 (Sergey), dear, this is you telling me: "So why did you ruin the country? Right now, under communism, you would live!" ??? Sorry, I didn’t work for a day either in the 80-90s of the last century in the Central Committee of the CPSU, the Council of Ministers of the USSR, or the Supreme Council of the USSR. The question is not on salary ...
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      And excellent - we accept advanced foreign experience in shipbuilding.
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      Quote: Tests
      The question is not on salary ...

      Let’s omit the Central Committee of the CPSU and the Council of Ministers of the USSR, for those who shouted cheers to Perestroika in the 85th, who hoped from the revival of cooperatives in the 87th, who urinated apple syrup in the 89th from Yeltsin, and 90 in Moscow squares walked with posters "Yeltsin is our president," who in the 91st danced on the wreckage of the Dzerzhinsky monument, were the salaries comparable to yours?
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      And most importantly, naturally - beloved Vyartsila.

      laughing Well then, during the Union, you did not resent the fact that Vyartsila and (ABOUT GOD belay ) Danish Burmeisters stood on 80% of Soviet ships and motor ships? Or was that the norm then? For some reason Yugoslav, Polish, Finnish, Norwegian constructions didn’t bother you, but now it’s not comme il faut on the same to go to the seas what Why did it happen?
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      The project is based on ST - 118, not ours at all.

      I will tell you a little secret! 90% of the ships of the UVF of the USSR Navy were of foreign construction and 50% of the BDK of the USSR Navy was not of Soviet origin!
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      Fisheries and fish processing equipment - Norway, also a bow thruster.

      On killers of 141 projects and demagnetization vessels of 130 projects of the UVF of the Navy of the USSR (smoothly transferred to the Russian Navy) are Sulzer and almost all of the electrical equipment branded with the USA!
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      The fourth building has been riding the Zvezdochka for many years

      And you were wondering what is the reason for this "skating"?
      Many here are in the chest .. yes I would, yes, as if ... and when you put this into production ... oooh epsel mopsel, but what about it, and I do it, well, we!
      hi Good luck to you! Just don’t pay it all to the end!
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    Serg65 (Sergey), dear, many thanks for the wish of good luck!
    I didn’t even try to offend you. If offended by something - explain, please. what exactly touched you for the living. Such an impression, after reading your comments, that it was me who was guilty of the collapse of the USSR.
    I never studied sociology; I don’t know about the salaries of those you wrote about.
    I didn’t know about the “Danish Burmeisters,” Vyartsila in my text is my favorite.
    The disagreement of the buildings during the USSR did not bother me - firstly, I did not order them, secondly I didn’t go on those ships, and thirdly I didn’t repair them. And now I don’t go to the seas.
    “90% of the ships of the Navy of the USSR Navy were of foreign construction” - I didn’t know that, thanks, knowledge is never superfluous. He did not serve in the General Staff of the USSR Navy, did not serve in the Auxiliary Fleet of the USSR Navy.
    About killers of 141 projects and demagnetization vessels of 130 projects of the UVF of the Navy of the USSR (smoothly transferred to the Russian Navy) - I did not know, thank you for the new knowledge.
    "The third -" Severodvinsk "rode for a long time, the customer had no money." - This is a quote from my message yesterday from 19:01. In my opinion, I wrote quite clearly what the reason for "skating" is.