The shipbuilding boom in the Russian Federation has exposed a number of major industry problems

The shipbuilding industry is one of the largest engineering industries in the economy of our country, possessing high scientific and technical potential. Today, Russia is experiencing a boom in shipbuilding, as evidenced by the active development of such an industry as civil shipbuilding. At least, the authors of the video on the channel "Time - Forward!" Claim a boom.

From video:
"We can confidently say that Russian enterprises are secured by state orders for the near future."

Our country is investing billions in updating its fleet many recognized market leaders were envious. Indeed, for Japanese, Korean and Finnish companies, this means one thing: the loss of the multimillion-dollar profit that they could receive from Russian orders.

What was the impetus for the development of our own production in this industry? What adequate measures to support civil shipbuilding have been developed by the state today? What are the biggest challenges the industry has faced? How are they going to solve one of the most important problems of the industry at the state level - the lack of qualified personnel? The authors of the next issue of “Time is Ahead!” Try to answer these questions.

Comments

[ultra]

What kind of nonsense have I just read?

[Mestny]

There is a video attached. Everything is told in it.
Watch horses and wrestlers with caution!
It may undermine that.

[ultra]

I am not fighting the regime, this is not a "lordly" business. And I do not need to watch "agitation", I live in that country and I see the state of our high-tech industries. I would call it "they are in the ass."

[Vadim237]

"I live in that country and I see the state of our high-tech industries." And where exactly do you see this: region, city, village.? There is no need to talk about the whole country - you do not know where, who and what produces in Russia.

[ultra]

Quote: Mestny

It may undermine that.

Do you know this from personal experience?

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Mikhail, you said word for word what I thought while reading the title of the article.

[Deck]

What kind of nonsense have I just read?

And two years ago https://russian.rt.com/russia/article/398467-vmf-korabli-modernizaciya
And a year ago https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/201802081234-gcuu.htm
And this year https://russian.rt.com/russia/article/616019-rossiya-flot-vooruzhenie-korabli-rakety
Boom every year. Practically: BOOM-BOOM-BOOM. It’s time to get used to it.

[Revival]

Regular propaganda, but extremely inept. Although, as they say, try, in the absence of real Achievements, to blow them out from scratch and even in plain sight. This is how we get negative "growth" in the economy, and so on.

[The popuas]

Right BOOM

[ultra]

Of course "boom" so the Chinese will finish building the shipyard for us and we will "rivet" gas carriers from Chinese and Korean components.

[gabonskijfront]

In our port there is a large landing craft "Pyotr Morgunov" on demagnetization, right in front of the wintering pit of the pike perch, while it is there it does not bite the pike perch in principle.

[Botanologist]

Quote: gabonskijfront

while he stands there the pike perch does not peck fundamentally

beckoned

[Edik]

Quote: gabonskijfront

In our port there is a large landing craft "Petr Morgunov" on demagnetization

As I understand it, you are fundamentally against the growth of shipbuilding in Russia

[Nikolai]

Try changing the hook to non-magnetic.

[Serg65]

Quote: gabonskijfront

zander does not peck fundamentally

Drown Morgunov and you will have zander!

[ultra]

Quote: gabonskijfront

In our port there is a large landing craft "Pyotr Morgunov" on demagnetization, right in front of the wintering pit of the pike perch, while it is there it does not bite the pike perch in principle.

Hope that he will not stand there as long as his "older brother" was built.

[Proton]

In China, the boom is so booming, and this is all agitation, it’s possible to lay 100 ships (such a solid boom), but to bring the real descent to pieces in 15 years some way through 20 (also a boom, but already in a puddle)

[tihonmarine]

And how many shipyards are there for building a fleet? Maybe an unknown person will call us. But I doubt the boom.

[AU Ivanov.]

St. Petersburg shipyards are inundated with orders for many years to come.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

St. Petersburg shipyards are inundated with orders for many years to come.

There are only two large factories, "Admiralteisky" and "Baltiysky", the latter cannot be compared even with Polish shipyards. The largest ship-repairing plant "Kanonersky" moored the Krasnodar firm "Magnet" as a berth for fruit. Small shipyards build a small fleet. All the shipyards of the USSR remained at "error 404".

[Serg65]

Quote: tihonmarine

And how many shipyards are there for building a fleet?

There are as many shipyards as there are after the communist demarche in 1991!

Quote: tihonmarine

The largest ship-repairing plant "Kanonersky" moored the Krasnodar firm "Magnit" as a berth for fruit.

Why did the shipyard lease the berth?

Quote: tihonmarine

All the shipyards of the USSR remained at "error 404".

Is everything straight? Not three out of seven?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Serg65

Why did the shipyard lease the berth?

He is no longer there.

[Serg65]

Quote: tihonmarine

He is no longer there.

Do not rush to cut the rooster for a wake, it will come in handy for you!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Serg65

Is everything straight? Not three out of seven?

So in terms of power they are like six (we don’t take Sevmash).

[Serg65]

Quote: tihonmarine

So in terms of power they are like six

The Nikolaev plants + Kherson were equal to two Petersburg!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Serg65

The Nikolaev plants + Kherson were equal to two Petersburg!

Prove it.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: tihonmarine

All the shipyards of the USSR remained at "error 404".

[Vadim237]

There are 165 shipyards and repair plants in Russia in total.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Vadim237

Total in Russia 165 shipyards and repair plants

From 2008 to 2010 he transported metal to shipyards in Houston and General Dynamics were at that time factories. In 22010, I unloaded fish and citrus fruits at the Baltic Shipyard SPB, it was a shipyard, but not a factory, where they walked in boots from the checkpoint to the pier. Time has passed, maybe that has changed, although they began to build ships, and not handle oranges. But it takes time to build a shipyard, and most importantly, unique equipment that the West does not sell to Russia. And to build large ships and vessels, it is precisely large and high-tech factories, such as in the USA and, Britain and France, are needed. Ships and vessels cannot be built with a hat. Plus the necessary large dry and floating docks, and a lot of things are needed. At least take any equipment, starting from brackets, blocks, toilets and sinks, the same lamps (waterproof) and much more. Under the Soviet Union, the whole country worked for this.

[Vadim237]

There is someone to do this, but not for you and not for me.

[rocket757]

Somewhere, according to the boom! And where then is not a boom?

[bars1]

Quote: tihonmarine

And how many shipyards are there for building a fleet? Maybe an unknown person will call us. But I doubt the boom.

I understand, if you wrote it in 2005-2010 that way ... But now whining: "everything is lost!" Is clearly inappropriate

[tinkle]

To begin with, it would be necessary to train qualified personnel, but to update equipment and accessories, otherwise we work with a tool from the USSR 70-late 80xx

[Vadim237]

"Otherwise we work with a tool from the USSR of the 70s-late 80s" Do you have: keys, cutters, grinders, welding machines, chameleon masks, ultrasonic flaw detectors - 70s-80s made in the USSR?

[petrol cutter]

Well, there is such a thing on the ground. No need to equal the capital. What kind of masks are hamelyen ?! Such is at mnuomu. At the factory, nobody will ever buy it for you. Half the TIRs still (if it’s talking about something. Cutters ... God forgive me. There is a Harris company, even the factory itself made a copy in Murmansk. A fine, safe cutter. They give out a standard model (grandfather to Berlin I went with him.) Grinders! .. Putin’s permission must be given to me to finally get the Bulgarian DevVolt. And then I knocked out the coil for another two months. Bo the Bulgarian without wires is a useless piece of iron.
I can roll another hundred pages to you like what and what is done * on the ground *.
What is an ultrasonic flaw detector - I have no idea.
In a shipbuilding - under x-ray cook.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Petrol cutter

Bulgarian! .. It is necessary permission of Putin himself, so that they finally give me a Bulgarian

It’s you still living curly, for some time we haven’t been given a tool at all, we had to buy it. And Vadim, it seems, lives in parallel reality. By the way, Soviet drills are much better than modern ones. The other day I managed to bend the top five as much as 90 degrees. And I have a drill 1974 model year and plows well. But the modern came up after a couple of years of work. And the Soviet keys will be stronger than the Chinese, although my grandfather also went to Berlin with them.

[petrol cutter]

Keys, drills, screwdrivers are definitely THING! I hit Hitachi’s grinder, I brought it home. Since there was nothing to work stupidly. And nobody canceled the plan. It was a pity, but she fairy a hundred times worked out its value and to this day lies in the closet. Return from the factory, I can not stand it.
With a tool tight. They take a teaspoon a year and you need to have time to grab it, but not yet ... the moment when it was delivered.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Petrol cutter

With a tool tight. They take a teaspoon a year and you need to have time to grab it, but not yet ... the moment when it was delivered.

Heh, they don’t even give me glasses, I have to buy my own. In an injury already five times was, took out scales. I don’t buy any overalls or boots.

[Vadim237]

"By the way, Soviet drills are much better than modern ones." Well, yes, only the cutters and cutters are worthless, and the drills were not all good, on high-speed steel and additives: tantalum, titanium, molybdenum, cobalt, they began to save in the 60s.

[Serg65]

Quote: Petrol cutter

I can roll another hundred pages to you like what and what is done * on the ground *.

And 5 years ago, how were things at your plant?

[petrol cutter]

* And 5 years ago, how were things at your plant? *
Five years ago, there was no way. The plant stood stupidly and fell apart. And at that time I was playing mother with a Ukrainian passport in Russia.
I understand, for what a question. And this is not a complaint about jist, but a conversation for production.
TAM, someone shares the enterprise, they will not share it. Oddly enough, we suffer. That will be Pella. Hooray, let it be Pella. Two years later, no Pell. Rostec will be. That let even Rosnano be. In addition to breaking the workshops, they will finally begin to deal with the plant?! ..
The local directorate does what it wants; there is no control over it (as far as I can see). Only some commissions ride endlessly, the production managers change endlessly.
... And nothing happens. In a positive way.

[Vadim237]

In shipbuilding - cooked under x-rays. Already, ultrasonic flaw detection is being introduced.

[SOVIET UNION 2]

In Vadim gives! We even had no screwdrivers in the stores! Manually twisted. Fucking optimizers! Today I see this trend. You need? Go and buy what you need! I am not kidding. Single case? Well I do not know. But today I don’t work there.

[Vadim237]

"We didn't even have screwdrivers in the shops" Well, this is already a problem for your enterprise. I buy everything I need for my friends and don’t save money.

[SOVIET UNION 2]

Sorry. All owners have a different approach. But basically a fussy approach. And I would like the approach to be like yours.

[Serg65]

Quote: Zvyaga

First you need to prepare qualified personnel

First you need to get orders ... and financing! No orders, no frames!

[AnderS]

First you need to get orders ... and financing! No orders, no frames!

First you need to press the tail of the oligarchs so that the money is not withdrawn and invested in Russian production, banks should nationalize everything, so that all loans are either interest-free or at 0,5 percent per annum, in general, a lot of things need to be done to begin with ... you won’t do this while the oligarch’s best friend, comrades, continues to sit in the Kremlin ...

[Strashila]

"The boom of shipbuilding in the Russian Federation has exposed a number of the most important problems of the industry", which has exposed ... shipyards were started up on metal, in particular the Krasnoyarsk shipbuilding plant.

[Lexus]

Another "success".

[Vadim237]

Imagine the success - for those who do this, these ships have a displacement of 5000 tons

[Lexus]

these ships have a displacement of 5000 tons

Medium trawler (seiner, longline, processor) 5000 tons ??? Indeed?
I saw this infographic in several sources, about the displacement you greatly embellished.

[petrol cutter]

Actually .. yes .. maybe they all put together an offset of five thousand?

[Lexus]

And if you read and count the original article, then you really want to cry.
https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4104451?fbclid=IwAR1XdNjpojfRxt__OY_Z7djtabkvvIacKWD736_tnDFo8mObIfT_WBfoTlI
43 vessels at 6 shipyards in a few years. And already all the deadlines are shifting to the right, because the projects themselves are foreign - there are problems with the documentation and components.

[Vadim237]

Trawlers are not small

Displacement (full): 3730 t.

Deadweight: 1400 t.

The main dimensions: length - 70 m, width - 13.5 m, draft - 6.6 m.

Maximum travel speed: 14.5 knots

Crew: 60 people

[Vadim237]

Project trawler 170701

Displacement: 5500 t.

length - 81.6 m, width - 16

Maximum travel speed: 15 knots

Crew: 70 people

[Serg65]

Quote: Petrol cutter

maybe they all put together an offset of five thousand?

Well, a little Vadim embellished .... a little! The average trawler is 3600 tons, the processor is 7000 tons, the large trawler is 5000 tons.
And?

[Vadim237]

IIIii - This is
PSZ "Yantar" began construction of a large freezer trawler

This is the largest fishing vessel currently under construction at Russian shipyards - its length is 121 meters and its displacement is about 13 thousand tons.

[Vadim237]

The construction of a railway ferry for the Baltic Sea has begun

The main dimensions: length - 199.9 m, width - 27.4 m, draft - 6 m.

Navigation range: 3000 miles

Speed: - 16.5 knots

Autonomy in fuel, water and provisions: 10 days

Crew: 24 person

Passenger: 12 people

Cargo capacity: from 36 to 80 wagons (depending on type) or 58 trucks and up to 15 freight trailers

The ship has an ice class Arc4. There is still a lot of interesting things in shipbuilding - but here only shipbuilding is not interesting to me.

[Mkhail]

I wonder how this will affect the Baltic states ... one more bottom.

[petrol cutter]

No, well, trawlers for which it seems like there is an order from our company (if they do not lie, pieces from eight to ten), such an offset does not threaten most likely.
But all this is such a fog ... In short, until it leaves the Pell factory, in any case, nothing will happen. Since it occupies the largest and most combat-ready assembly shop. And a slip.
By the way, exclusive news - rolling began, followed by launching of the MRK 22800. The first is pumped out on a slip today. It used to be called * Storm *, as they’ll call it now, I don’t know.

[petrol cutter]

Of course, this is good news for us shipbuilders. I would also like this Boom to have a beneficial effect on the salaries of the participants of this Boom.
And then, somehow mysteriously it turns out. In production, the boom, and production workers of the first category, cannot get out of debt.

[bk316]

Production workers of the first category cannot get out of debt.

You are from the Crimea Vitaly, why did you accumulate so many debts with Ukrainians?

[petrol cutter]

And how do you order a family of three to live for as many as twenty-seven thousand issued for a month? Dear you are my man.
To go on shift, not to offer.
Question number two - do you keep in touch though ... With what kind of body do you care about my Ukrainian debts ?! Well, how do I have none? What will you do? ...

[Tests]

Vadim237 (Vadim), dear, whose engines will go to trawlers? And what about the fishing equipment? Whose fish processing equipment will be? Tales about the fact that the fishermen's fleet has not been updated for 40 years is disgusting to listen to. Please find some time, read about trawlers of pr. 50010 type "Yagry". The fourth building, rolling on "Zvezdochka" - this is not funny for many years ... Gas cutter (Vitaly) outlined the situation with utmost clarity, not a bit of paint not thickening. Neither the personnel that they lost over the years of building capitalism in the Russian Federation, nor their equipment. Steel hulls have not yet forgotten how to make steel, but with the saturation of ships with equipment - the plug on the plug and the plug is driven, starting from paints, adhesives and tools, to electronics.

[Vadim237]

It will be interesting to look at the guts.

[Vadim237]

"It is disgusting to listen to tales about the fact that the fishermen's fleet has not been updated for 40 years. Please find some time, read about trawlers of the project 50010, type" Yagry ". Sorry - but to call two trawlers an update, the first was built in 2002, the second was completed already in 2013, the language will not turn out.

[Vadim237]

And here diesels on the way
"Representatives of the Kolomensky Zavod (part of Transmashholding) reported on the significant progress achieved in the creation of a 16SD16 marine 500-cylinder diesel engine based on a new D-500 engine of their own design. Tests of the ship installation will begin by the end of 2018, and the construction of a test bench is now being completed.

16SD500 is the naval version of the D500 diesel engine in a 16-cylinder version, there is a 20-cylinder version for the energy sector and a 12-cylinder version for locomotives on the railway. D500 (pictured above) is a four-stroke combined internal combustion engine of dimension CHN26,5 / 31 with a V-shaped arrangement of cylinders with gas turbine supercharging and cooling of charge air.

At the same time, the D500 at the Kolomensky Zavod developed another new generation diesel engine - the D300. It belongs to the type range ChN26 / 28, and power plants based on it are designed for ships, diesel locomotives and power plants. D300 and D500 have power from 3600 to 10000 hp.
The enterprise is modernizing its production - this is almost 15 billion rubles, which will allow launching in Russia a virtually new plant for the production of modern medium-speed diesel engines by 2021.

[Serg65]

Quote: Tests

Not a single cadre that has been lost over the years of building capitalism in the Russian Federation

So why did you ruin the country? Right now we would have lived under communism!

[Mkhail]

Those who were falling apart needed not communism, but the fact that the people built along the road to it ...

[Vadim237]

But communism itself in the civilian sector has essentially not created anything.

[Sapsan136]

The industry of the Russian Federation today has one problem - pseudo-efficient managers who do not want to pay decent salaries to workers and technically update the enterprises they have received from the USSR ... This is the main reason for the low production rate in the Russian Federation

[kig]

Journalists write whatever they get, or rather what they order. They will be ordered to say that shipbuilding is developing at an incredible pace - please, the newspaper Vzglyad:

Russia builds ships for the development of the Arctic https://vz.ru/economy/2019/8/28/994602.html

From “this” we learn that the Vostochnaya Verf plant in Vladivostok launched a tanker with a deadweight of as much as 1600 tons. Moreover, it was laid down in 2015, and “launched” does not mean that it has already been delivered to the customer. Judging by the photos found on the network, there is not even an add-on there yet. For the Eastern dockyard, of course, this is indeed an achievement, for it has never built anything larger than 1000 tons before, and it has fallen into decay in an unnamed period. But the journalist writes with reverence: this confirms the competitiveness of ship manufacturing facilities located in the east of the country, near world shipbuilding centers - Korea, China, Japan (here the Japanese, along with the Koreans and Chinese laughed! Although this epoch-making event is unlikely to have reached them). And it is not clear to the author that in fact he threw a huge pig to our shipbuilding, boasting a construction period of more than 5 years. A shipowner, if he suddenly thinks casually — if I should order a steamer at a domestic shipyard — having read this, he will run headlong to the Croesians. And most likely, to the Chinese.

[Vadim237]

And the Steamboats are already building it laid in 15.08.2016/2019/XNUMX, launched in May XNUMX

in September presented a new project East trawler

[Tests]

Vadim237 (Vadim), dear, "Zvezdochka" in 1996 began to build trawlers of project 50010 for fishermen from Murmansk, the series was planned from 4 vessels. 01.01.1998/23.04.2002/2 - Yagry commissioned. 17.12.2013/2/XNUMX - Arkhangelsk commissioned. The third - "Severodvinsk" skated for a long time, the customer had no money. As a result, the fishing collective farm "Osvobozhdenie" from the Mezensky District of the Arkhangelsk Region found the money to complete the construction, renamed the trawler to "Koida-XNUMX", the trawler was handed over to the customer on XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX. ... And you, dear, are talking about XNUMX ships ... Somewhere you seem to have read the wrong place or not ...
Yes, in 2015 in Istanbul the trawler "Pechora" was stitched for 7 fishing collective farms of the NAO. The collective farms did not have the money to build a ship alone. I don’t know about the purchase of seiners in Korea and China for fishermen of the Far East - I live in the Arkhangelsk region, my brother-in-law in the "Arkhangelsk Trawl Fleet" is catching fish ... It seems, very much, propaganda about 40 years that the fishing fleet has not been updated ...
Well, about the Keel Quota program:
On "Pella" they made pr. 03095 "Andromeda" for Murmansk. Fishfinding and fish processing equipment - Norway, also bow thruster. And most importantly, Vyartsila's beloved Andromeda prototype, the seiner Mirach, designed by Norway, was made in Croatia in 2014 for the same customer as Andromeda - Murmanseld-2. "Castor" that you have in the photo is a continuation of the series of pr. 03095.
"Admiralty Shipyards" for the "Russian Fishery Company" on the Norwegian project ST-192 by Skipsteknisk make seiners. The lead ship is being built in Turkey.
"Yantar" made "Leninets" for the Far East on the SK - 3101R project, the design is not at all RF. 2 more ships are planned. The "Victor Gavrilov" project was laid down - LLC "Vyartsila Vostok" city of St. Petersburg.
Vyborg along the KMT-01 prospect built a seiner for the ARKHANGELSK TRALOVO FLEET. The Barents Sea is based on the ST-118 pr., Not ours at all ... In Kommersant on September 19.09.2019, XNUMX the director of the Vyborg plant was interviewed: “We are faced with a situation where whole sections are sent to scrap metal.” There, it is clearly and understandable about fish-finding and fish-processing equipment.
Serg65 (Sergei), dear, this is you to me: "So why did you ruin the country? Right now, you would live under communism!" ??? Forgive me, I did not work a day in the 80-90s of the last century neither in the Central Committee of the CPSU, nor in the Council of Ministers of the USSR, nor in the Supreme Soviet of the USSR. It's not a question of salary ...

[Vadim237]

And excellent - we accept advanced foreign experience in shipbuilding.

[Serg65]

Quote: Tests

The question is not on salary ...

Let’s omit the Central Committee of the CPSU and the Council of Ministers of the USSR, those who shouted hurray for Perestroika in 85, who jumped from the revival of cooperatives in 87, who urinated with apple syrup in 89 from Yeltsin, who in 90 in Moscow squares walked with posters "Yeltsin is our president", who in 91 arranged dances on the ruins of the Dzerzhinsky monument, were the salaries comparable to yours?

Quote: Tests

And most importantly, naturally - beloved Vyartsila.

Well then, during the Union, you did not resent the fact that Vyartsila and (ABOUT GOD ) Danish Burmeisters stood on 80% of Soviet ships and motor ships? Or was that the norm then? For some reason Yugoslav, Polish, Finnish, Norwegian constructions didn’t bother you, but now it’s not comme il faut on the same to go to the seas Why did it happen?

Quote: Tests

The project is based on ST - 118, not ours at all.

I will tell you a little secret! 90% of the ships of the UVF of the USSR Navy were of foreign construction and 50% of the BDK of the USSR Navy was not of Soviet origin!

Quote: Tests

Fisheries and fish processing equipment - Norway, also a bow thruster.

On killers of 141 projects and demagnetization vessels of 130 projects of the UVF of the Navy of the USSR (smoothly transferred to the Russian Navy) are Sulzer and almost all of the electrical equipment branded with the USA!

Quote: Tests

The fourth building has been rolling on "Zvezdochka" for many years

And you wondered what is the reason for this "skating"?
Many here are in the chest .. yes I would, yes, as if ... and when you put this into production ... oooh epsel mopsel, but what about it, and I do it, well, we!
Good luck to you! Just don’t pay it all to the end!

[Tests]

Serg65 (Sergey), dear, many thanks for the wish of good luck!
I didn’t even try to offend you. If offended by something - explain, please. what exactly touched you for the living. Such an impression, after reading your comments, that it was me who was guilty of the collapse of the USSR.
I never studied sociology; I don’t know about the salaries of those you wrote about.
I didn't know about "Danish Burmeisters", Vyartsila is my favorite in my text.
The disagreement of the buildings during the USSR did not bother me - firstly, I did not order them, secondly I didn’t go on those ships, and thirdly I didn’t repair them. And now I don’t go to the seas.
"90% of the ships of the UVF of the USSR Navy were of foreign construction" - I didn't know that, thank you, knowledge is never superfluous. He did not serve in the General Staff of the USSR Navy, and did not serve in the Auxiliary Fleet of the USSR Navy.
About killers of 141 projects and demagnetization vessels of 130 projects of the UVF of the Navy of the USSR (smoothly transferred to the Russian Navy) - I did not know, thank you for the new knowledge.
"The third -" Severodvinsk "skated for a long time, the customer had no money." - This is a quote from my yesterday's message at 19:01. In my opinion, I wrote quite clearly what was the reason for the "skating".