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Musk showed his Starship Mk1 spaceship to fly to the Moon and Mars

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Elon Musk made a presentation of his Starship Mk1 spacecraft and promised to send it into orbit six months later. The presentation of the new rocket took place at the SpaceX launch complex in the Boca Chica area in Texas, where test launches of a reduced copy of the Starship Mk1 - the Starhopper apparatus - are carried out.


Musk showed his Starship Mk1 spaceship to fly to the Moon and Mars

Starship Mk1 is being completed at the Boca Chica training ground


The founder of SpaceX, Ilon Musk, presented to the public the upcoming Starship Mk1 spaceship (work was carried out during the presentation) and announced that he would lift it into space within six months, and the first test flight of the ship would take place in one to two months. In this case, Starship Mk1 will rise to a height of 20 km.

It will sound crazy, but I think we want to reach the orbit in less than six months

- he said.

Musk spoke about his ship project and its structure. According to him, in the final version Starship Mk1 will have a height of almost 50 meters, the mass with a full load of fuel is 1400 tons. Equipped with Raptor 37 engines, it will be able to launch up to 150 tons of load into orbit or transport people to 100. To date, the company already has 12 of such engines, the tests of which were carried out on the prototype Starship Mk1 - Starhopper apparatus.

The head of SpaceX explained that the mission of Starhopper, by and large, has been completed, but it is still located at the SpaceX training ground in Boca Chica, only two kilometers from the under construction Mk1. Starhopper is the basic version of the Starship rocket, reduced by three times (the diameter is the same), but the equipment installed on it is fully consistent with the older model.


Starhopper after testing at Boca Chica in Texas


It was previously reported that the Starship spacecraft should become the largest and most heavily manned spacecraft in storiesaccommodating up to 100 people. The main purpose of this ship is to deliver colonists to the moon and Mars. In the Starship Super Heavy version, it will be more powerful and heavier than the NASA Saturn V rocket, which delivered the Apollo astronauts to the moon. Like other SpaceX rockets, the Starship Mk1 will be able to land on Earth after flying in space.
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  1. neri73-r
    neri73-r 29 September 2019 13: 13
    +44
    Judging by the appearance, this product will not fly. what
    1. ltc35
      ltc35 29 September 2019 13: 19
      -7
      Gotta fly. Say what you like, and Musk seeks to translate his ideas into iron without any delay and cut money.
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 29 September 2019 15: 09
        -2
        Musk managed to gather a talented team around him. As confirmation of the successful implementation of many "earthly" projects. Investors' confidence once again confirms the promising development and transparency of spending. As a result - quite working results, and not "holes" through which budget funds evaporate. hi
        1. maidan.izrailovich
          maidan.izrailovich 29 September 2019 15: 19
          +7
          Lexus (Alex)
          As confirmation of the successful implementation of many "earthly" projects.

          Yeah ...
          Especially Tesla. crying
          https://ria.ru/20180505/1519933981.html
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 29 September 2019 15: 42
            +17
            Sold more than 600 thousand cars. And how many innovative ones?
            1. ProkletyiPirat
              ProkletyiPirat 29 September 2019 16: 49
              +8
              Quote: lexus
              . The confidence of investors once again confirms the prospects of development and transparency of spending. As a result - quite working results

              The fact that our "managers" are money-hungry idiots, because they rob at once and a little, and not for a long time and a lot, this is not proof that Musk is a super-duper genius-innovator. It's just that the peculiarity of the US economy is that there always needs a certain "hero-businessman", it's like a "hero-lover" only in business laughing And if he is not there, then they find him or invent him, but in the USA the previous hero Steve Jobs has disappeared, and a new Elon Musk has been nominated to replace him, he will not be someone else. This is a kind of public-private policy, in the USSR there was something similar to the Stakhanovists, in general, "an example to follow and stimulate vigorous activity among the population." wink .
              1. Lexus
                Lexus 29 September 2019 17: 14
                -4
                The fact that our "managers" are greedy for money idiots, because they rob right away and littlerather than long and long,

                Mask would have flown to other galaxies if it operated on the amounts that steal what you called them.
                Just a feature of the US economy

                A consumer buys a car for his money, and not at the expense of the state budget and the White House exhortation, as well as launches, with the exception of test and research (again, relying on own funds and attracted third-party investments), it’s completely commercial.
                1. venik
                  venik 29 September 2019 18: 27
                  +7
                  Quote: lexus
                  Mask would have flown to other galaxies if it operated on the amounts that steal what you called them.

                  =========
                  Kerosene is not enough !!!!! fool lol
                  1. Lexus
                    Lexus 29 September 2019 20: 41
                    -1
                    If you rock the sofas and "gas storage" critics Musk, the scheduled flights will remain.
                2. nickname7
                  nickname7 1 October 2019 09: 36
                  0
                  and not at the expense of the state budget and the exhortation of the White House, as well as launches,

                  They had a clean market until 1929, which ended in a crisis. Now they have socialism of 30%, (progressive to the rich).
              2. Vadim237
                Vadim237 29 September 2019 21: 59
                +1
                They also have Bezos - you do not forget about him.
              3. John Connor_2
                John Connor_2 30 September 2019 18: 14
                0

                Correctly! All geniuses live in Russia!
              4. nickname7
                nickname7 1 October 2019 09: 33
                +3
                The fact that our "managers" are greedy for money idiots, because they rob at once and little, and not for a long time and a lot

                Yes, one of the VAZ directors somehow paid himself 1,5 billion rubles. Vladimir Artyakov, and then went to the governors of the Samara region. Moreover, the plant had reductions, debts and problems.
            2. lucul
              lucul 29 September 2019 17: 21
              +7
              Sold more than 600 thousand cars. And how many innovative ones?

              But what did you modestly keep silent about, who is the owner of the Yo mobile? )))
              1. Lexus
                Lexus 29 September 2019 17: 29
                -2
                But what did you modestly keep silent about, who is the owner of the Yo mobile? )))

                I know that I am not. As well as the fact that, thanks to many similar "projects", my prospects of even living up to a beggarly retirement are becoming dimmer.
                1. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 29 September 2019 18: 35
                  -1
                  Quote: lexus
                  my prospects of surviving even a beggarly retirement are getting foggy

                  Young man, are you like a military man, and already on a well-deserved rest? Correct, since I'm wrong wink
                2. Oden280
                  Oden280 30 September 2019 05: 24
                  +2
                  What does a private shop with an E-mobile have to do with your pension? Or just if there was an excuse to blurt out muck?
            3. Frieda
              Frieda 29 September 2019 18: 00
              +4
              Quote: lexus
              Sold more than 600 thousand cars. And how many innovative ones?

              And how many "Prior" were sold ?! Your Musk even at AvtoVAZ "champs!" laughing
              1. Lexus
                Lexus 29 September 2019 20: 10
                +1
                AvtoVAZ is very happy - for the first time in 10 years the profit has been "counted".
                https://www.vedomosti.ru/business/articles/2019/04/30/800594-avtovaz-vpervie-za-10-let
                The office, which does not produce anything fundamentally new, but only collects mediocre cars from imported components and regularly buys money from the state.
                1. user1212
                  user1212 30 September 2019 07: 39
                  +6
                  Quote: lexus
                  The office, which does not produce anything fundamentally new, but only collects mediocre cars from imported components and regularly buys money from the state.

                  As you now accurately described Tesla :))) Nothing new, it is assembled from Chinese components by chipped Mexicans and regularly receives subsidies for "innovative development" good
                2. abc_alex
                  abc_alex 30 September 2019 09: 55
                  +5
                  Quote: lexus
                  AvtoVAZ is very happy - for the first time in 10 years the profit has been "counted".

                  If it comes to that, then the Musk on Tesla did not manage to count the profits even once. This company has been pathologically unprofitable throughout its existence. At the same time, it enjoys huge financial support from the state. To make a profit like AvtoVAZ, Tesla would be happy.

                  Quote: lexus
                  An office that produces nothing fundamentally new, but only assembles mediocre machines from imported components


                  As you know, Musk, as a sign of "goodwill", published all Tesla's patents in the public domain. So there are no patents fixing engineering solutions. For example, the Tesla battery is composed of a large number of Chinese batteries and is equipped with a Chinese controller with Israeli software.
                  1. vadsonen
                    vadsonen 30 September 2019 12: 01
                    -2
                    To make a profit like AvtoVAZ, Tesla would be happy.

                    No, let's not. Let the government of Pae abolish import duties on cars, and then we will see how much profit AvtoTAZ will have. I am sure that even the Rolls-Royces will diverge better, because Zhygy buy exclusively and only because of the inability to buy a normal car brand.
                    1. abc_alex
                      abc_alex 1 October 2019 10: 07
                      +1
                      Quote: vadsonen
                      Let the Bae government abolish import duties on cars,

                      For starters, let's find out what benefits Musk and Tesla enjoy in the United States, and then try to describe the conditions again.
                  2. Engineer
                    Engineer 30 September 2019 13: 28
                    0
                    As you know, Musk, as a sign of "goodwill", published all Tesla's patents in the public domain. So there are no patents fixing engineering solutions

                    Here is a list of patents
                    https://patents.justia.com/company/tesla
                    Engineering is complete
                    Tesla can be criticized unnecessarily for a lot, but it's time to abandon the sweeping labels.
                    1. abc_alex
                      abc_alex 1 October 2019 10: 25
                      +1
                      Quote: Engineer
                      Tesla can be criticized unnecessarily for a lot, but it's time to abandon the sweeping labels.

                      Ok, I got excited. There are engineering patents.
                      Here, for example, the very first link.
                      VEHICLE SEAT WITH INTEGRATED TEMPERATURE-CONTROL SYSTEM
                      Car seat heated. Mmmmm ... this is definitely a breakthrough and something that no one has done before.
                      Next comes

                      VOLTAGE REGULATOR MODULE WITH COOLING STRUCTURE
                      Voltage regulator with cooling system. Definitely a new word.

                      I just wind down the list and grab the first one.

                      Perhaps I was not fair, but do you seriously think that the same VAZ does not have patents such as a heated chair or a voltage regulator with cooling?
                      1. Engineer
                        Engineer 1 October 2019 14: 15
                        0
                        I just wind down the list and grab the first one.

                        Do not grab the first one wink
                        You just need to study the subject. Thoughtfully.
                        This is what I see.
                        DETERMINING BATTERY DC IMPEDANCE
                        Solar photovoltaic power conditioning units
                        Scalable and flexible cell-based energy storage system
                        Automatic smart transfer switch for energy generation systems
                        LIQUID-COOLED CHARGING CONNECTOR
                        NOVEL BATTERY SYSTEMS BASED ON TWO-ADDITIVE ELECTROLYTE SYSTEMS INCLUDING 2-FURANONE, AND METHOD OF FORMATION PROCESS OF SAME
                        And much more
                        ALL of this is directly related to charging, storing and transforming electricity — these are key features in which Tesla realizes its competitive advantage as an electric car.
                      2. abc_alex
                        abc_alex 4 October 2019 10: 38
                        +1
                        Quote: Engineer
                        Scalable and flexible cell-based energy storage system

                        By the way, this, as I understand it, is the very array of Chinese batteries on a Chinese controller with Israeli software. The same banks, without any patents, are used by the Chinese in their products inside China. You see, what a thing, Tesla, using the features of the US patent law, patented the schemes that were developed and implemented before it. The same sell-based energy store is used in all phones in the world, where the function of fast charging of the battery is realized.
                      3. Engineer
                        Engineer 4 October 2019 10: 45
                        -1
                        Did you find this particular patent? Have you analyzed the patent formula? Have you considered his patent novelty?
                        Without all this, your allegations are unfounded.
                      4. abc_alex
                        abc_alex 4 October 2019 10: 52
                        0
                        I do not argue. Like yours. We both reason without argument, without going into technical details. But on my side are the realities of the modern world, where the vast majority of electric vehicles are manufactured and operated in China, without any Tesla patents. There, a couple of 45% of the total electric park is concentrated. And certainly not Max patents.
                      5. Engineer
                        Engineer 4 October 2019 11: 02
                        0
                        No. Tesla produces the most, Tesla is now the leader in terms of production and especially in terms of sales where it has always been the leader. Here was a link. Your information is out of date.
                        Tesla also successfully implements the "Product Leadership" strategy
                        Last year, I wrote a term paper on this topic based on indicators for the second quarter of 2018. There are questions to the financial part (to put it mildly), but these are questions to the speculative investment model in general. From the point of view of product and marketing, Tesla can be entered into textbooks as an exemplary thing.
                      6. abc_alex
                        abc_alex 4 October 2019 22: 40
                        0
                        Quote: Engineer
                        From the point of view of product and marketing, Tesla can be entered into textbooks as an exemplary thing.

                        And here I agree with you and forever and ever. State-owned companies have always had good marketing, and geniuses like Jobs have managed to make billions in marketing moves. With Mask it seems the same case. But the original post was about profit and technology. As for him with profit, you seem to know better than me, but with technology there are well-founded opinions that the lion's share of Tesla's patents are games with US patent law. And they do not contain any know-how.
                      7. Engineer
                        Engineer 4 October 2019 23: 02
                        0
                        And do not contain any know-how
                        .
                        Out of 360 patents, none contain know-how? I would like to know these "justifiers"
                        https://electrek.co/2019/09/13/tesla-patent-battery-cell-better-performance-cheaper/
                        https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/tesla-patent-supercharger-electric-charging-connector/
                        Also crap?
                        Tesla’s technical achievements are no longer possible to dismiss
                        most Tesla retain vehicles 90% of their range after going more than 100,000 miles. An average driver goes about 12,000 miles per year, so that indicates capacity retention is quite good through 8 year

                        ttps: //evannex.com/blogs/news/how-long-will-my-tesla-battery-last
                        Their autopilot for all claims simply broke Mercedes and surpassed the Volvo analog
                        Objectively, this is the best electric car. Marketing is not only noodles on the ears of the consumer. I didn’t just mention it product along with marketing.
                3. nickname7
                  nickname7 1 October 2019 09: 44
                  +2
                  An office that produces nothing fundamentally new, but only collects mediocre cars

                  You are not forced to buy their products. one employee of the VAZ, gives work to another 7 allies, if the VAZ is closed, there will be a social disaster in Samara, you don’t care, but the government does not need problems.
                  Turquoise made a fortune for himself at VAZ, became the richest oligarch, and so managers were trying to milk more, hence the plant’s problems.
            4. Max Chervon
              Max Chervon 29 September 2019 21: 31
              0
              Look at YouTube, Tesla has a very low build quality, even the Germans refused to buy their cars
              1. Lexus
                Lexus 29 September 2019 23: 26
                +2
                A very muddy story. The Germans thought for a long time how to "settle accounts" with the Americans for the diesel gate. We raised prices at charging stations almost 2 times, introducing additional "environmental" charges on the basis that when generating 1 kW of electricity, thermal power plants emit more CO2 than an internal combustion engine. This gave a "competitive" advantage to traditional and hybrid vehicles made in Germany over purely electric vehicles, mostly imported, where Tesla is the undisputed leader. To be fair, other EV makers have suffered, albeit to a lesser extent. Something, but burghers know how to count money - sales decreased, the owners began to get rid of the purchased electric vehicles.
                By the way, the high build quality of German automakers is also a thing of the past, and there are a lot of revealing videos about them on YouTube.
                1. Arturov
                  Arturov 30 September 2019 02: 19
                  -1
                  Quote: lexus
                  By the way, the high build quality of German automakers is also a thing of the past, and there are a lot of revealing videos about them on YouTube.

                  for countries with an underdeveloped economy, the Germans learned to make special cheaper trim levels, essentially buying a car with a nameplate from obscure dzhigits with a dubious guarantee and assembling Uncle Petya, eat luhshery laughing laughing
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 30 September 2019 02: 51
                    +3
                    Quote: Arturov
                    the Germans learned how to make special cheaper equipment,

                    In the zero years, a scandal erupted. It turned out that Mercedes was giving bribes to governments to buy their rattletacks. The Germans recognized this. They gave bribes to the government of China, India, Russia ... In China, an investigation was launched, but we had a bit of a bang and shut up quickly. And the Germans paid the Americans a fine of 200 million dollars.
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            5. user1212
              user1212 30 September 2019 07: 30
              +5
              Quote: lexus
              More than 600 thousand cars sold

              And what is the total loss since 14 years? All public Mask companies that publish financial statements are unprofitable
              And how much has AvtoVAZ sold during this time? Maybe compare? Even Toyota will not remember :)))
              1. Lexus
                Lexus 30 September 2019 11: 46
                -4
                And what is the total loss since 14 years?

                All production facilities opened from scratch are unprofitable.
                And how much has AvtoVAZ sold during this time?

                Are you seriously?
            6. tracer
              tracer 2 October 2019 05: 14
              0
              If comparable money was won for this project as Musk got it, all Russians, including infants, could be provided with a mobile.
          2. Vol4ara
            Vol4ara 29 September 2019 19: 02
            +2
            Quote: maidan.izrailovich
            Lexus (Alex)
            As confirmation of the successful implementation of many "earthly" projects.

            Yeah ...
            Especially Tesla. crying
            https://ria.ru/20180505/1519933981.html

            Ria news is still a garbage dump to bring it as a proof.
            Losses are not record-breaking; in 2015, losses were reported at 717 million, and not at 670 as in this one, and they are reported for a reason that when the company reaches full production capacity, it will be able to receive a tax deduction for losses. And if you look at the assets of the company and the turnover, then it is growing steadily, how strange is it? there are almost a billion losses, and assets have grown from 1,114 billion in 2012 to 29,7 billion in 2018, isn't that bad? And than to read nameless journalists who write any rubbish for a bream from the boss and a bonus of 2 rubles, read better profile sources https://www.forbes.ru/biznes/368401-kak-vam-takoe-tesla-poluchila-rekordnuyu -pribyl. Oh yeah, about the Tesla turnover of 413 million in 2012 and 8 billion in 2018, in 2017 it was 6,7 billion.
            1. abc_alex
              abc_alex 30 September 2019 10: 05
              +5
              Quote: Vol4ara
              And if you look at the assets of the company and the turnover, then it is growing steadily, how strange is it? there are almost a billion losses, and assets rose from 1,114 billion in 2012 to 29,7 billion in 2018, not bad yes

              When you try to object, try to at least briefly deal with what you quote. The contrast of turnover and profit is the level of a rural school. Let’s explain it on your fingers: you bought a product at 100, sold at 90. You got a turnover of 100 and a loss of 10. If you repeat this operation 100 times, you will get a steady increase in turnover. And if you also take a loan for your operations, then the growth of assets will be recorded for you.
              Only profit as it was not and not. And all your activity is clearly fraud and money laundering schemes.
              1. Vol4ara
                Vol4ara 30 September 2019 10: 47
                -2
                Quote: abc_alex
                Quote: Vol4ara
                And if you look at the assets of the company and the turnover, then it is growing steadily, how strange is it? there are almost a billion losses, and assets rose from 1,114 billion in 2012 to 29,7 billion in 2018, not bad yes

                When you try to object, try to at least briefly deal with what you quote. The contrast of turnover and profit is the level of a rural school. Let’s explain it on your fingers: you bought a product at 100, sold at 90. You got a turnover of 100 and a loss of 10. If you repeat this operation 100 times, you will get a steady increase in turnover. And if you also take a loan for your operations, then the growth of assets will be recorded for you.
                Only profit as it was not and not. And all your activity is clearly fraud and money laundering schemes.

                The level of a rural school is to count the turnover in minus having the numbers for the asset. Ah, so this is probably a subsidy from the government, and stupid Musk pumps them into the failed Tesla project, yeah: D
                1. abc_alex
                  abc_alex 1 October 2019 10: 03
                  +1
                  Do you repeat common truths again? Turnover shows the volume of transactions. And not their effectiveness.

                  If you think that Tesla’s entire profit is spent on the acquisition of assets (the structure of which you, by the way, don’t know) and losses precisely because of this, then try to explain in simple words how Musk manages to buy more than he earns? At the end of the year, he always has losses, he, in your opinion, acquires assets. But hundreds of millions more than earned. Otherwise, the money would remain and there would be a profit. How?

                  But just in case, suddenly you decide to believe in miracles, pay attention to the peculiarities of the US financial market and, first of all, to the stock exchange.
            2. tracer
              tracer 2 October 2019 05: 23
              0
              I see you urgently need to really raise money on "Buzkoints" for example, there is a sure one hundred pounds. Check out what a wild benefit there is. You are simply born to be lucky.
          3. Morgan
            Morgan 30 September 2019 14: 49
            +2
            "Analysts expect the bankruptcy of Tesla by the end of the year" - this is from the series "Ukraine will definitely freeze this year".
        2. vvp2412
          vvp2412 29 September 2019 18: 38
          +10
          Can I miss something? Hyperloop already drives or what? Or has Tesla become economically positive?
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 29 September 2019 19: 58
            -2
            You better "positivity", which is unprofitable, compare many Russian companies with the wealth of their owners or the salaries of top managers thereof. Companies that "buy and sell", or systematically "vacuum" the budget, or pump out raw materials abroad. For which all "success" lies in endless changes in format, name, jurisdiction. And the number of canceled projects on which money was spent is simply off scale.
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 29 September 2019 20: 19
              +2
              Quote: lexus
              Companies that "buy and sell", or systematically "vacuum" the budget, or pump out raw materials abroad. For which all "success" lies in endless changes in format, name, jurisdiction. And the number of canceled projects, on which money was spent, is simply off scale

              Examples - in the studio ... laugh together wink

              PS: Lehus laughing
          2. John Connor_2
            John Connor_2 1 October 2019 11: 33
            0
            Am I missing something? Did Rogozil fly to the moon? Is Roscosmos economic positive?
          3. tracer
            tracer 2 October 2019 05: 25
            -1
            You cannot stop office hamsters in a blind faith in a high-tech freebie.
        3. Raven2705
          Raven2705 30 September 2019 12: 16
          +1
          If you really think that Musk has gathered talent around him and everything is rushing at the click of him, I am sorry for you. Soviet propaganda is just resting here.
          Musk is a clown talking head. He did not collect anyone for rocket science - he was appointed specialists, and he needs to be told and when. This is a typical cut; such innovative amounts of budget funds cannot be simply beaten out. Space programs that you do not collect a battery-powered car. For decades, both the USSR and the USA have been developing technologies of orbital launches, descent vehicles, etc. They plowed the unthinkable loot into these programs, how many lives it cost, how many generations of the best minds worked on it ...
          And then "Tony Stark" appeared and on his knees began to assemble rockets of heavy and super-heavy class, he also went to the moon ... Where did he get the technology, found chtoli on the Internet? How do the US military look at heavy and super-heavy missiles without asking a question? These are the simplest questions - on the surface, so to speak ...
          Wake up already !!!
          1. nickname7
            nickname7 1 October 2019 10: 09
            +1
            If you really think that Musk has gathered talents around him and everything is rushing at the click of him, I am sorry for you

            Correctly raise the question. They actually underwent restructuring, space industries, several companies were broken up, excess assets were sold, and a new Space X company was assembled. Important equipment, engineering teams and accumulated technologies were transferred to Space X.
            In general, there is a complicated process, and there are cuts and laundering, but all that is stolen remains with them and is invested again, they steal, but it doesn’t suffer either, they conduct research and development, pay salaries to scientists and engineers, and there money is passed through the economy. And here, for example, the construction of the East was paralyzed, salaries were not paid.
          2. tracer
            tracer 2 October 2019 05: 40
            -3
            You see, in order to understand something and "wake up" you need to have critical rational thinking. In the overwhelming majority of young people it is absent. I returned today from an exhibition of machine tools, industrial robots, various cutting and metal processing equipment. Most of the representatives of serious companies are people of about 45 and older. From youth, a pair of otters in heels, a pair of chatterboxes in shirts. The exhibition is large in one of the North American cities. Machine tools, robots, software for CNC machine tools, "there is no bald devil, only" one word is a mechanical symphony. But there are no youth. And among the visitors, too, almost none. Sad ... A generation of mindless buttonholes is coming.
      2. mister-red
        mister-red 29 September 2019 15: 53
        +1
        Sawing state money.
      3. keeper03
        keeper03 29 September 2019 18: 52
        0
        Such a terrible blank is doomed! No. And there is nothing to suffer from gigantomania - the Titanic is an example! fool soldier
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 1 October 2019 09: 42
          +1
          Quote: keeper03
          And there is nothing to suffer from gigantomania - the Titanic is an example!
          But did the Titanic drown because of its size? lol Now liners are 2-3 times larger than the Titanic and do not sink.
      4. Astronaut
        Astronaut 29 September 2019 19: 41
        +1
        and cut the money.

        You might think you work for him as an accountant.
        But what about Tesla's pre-bankrupt state?
        1. Vol4ara
          Vol4ara 30 September 2019 10: 48
          -2
          Quote: Astronaut
          and cut the money.

          You might think you work for him as an accountant.
          But what about Tesla's pre-bankrupt state?

          Proofs in the studio
      5. Pacifist
        Pacifist 30 September 2019 12: 23
        +3
        Well, yes, but why bother if you have received all possible documentation from NASA and the Pentagon, funding comes directly from the closed funds of the Pentagon and all around PR about "the first private ... all by yourself .... oh what a talent" ... all his talents are the ability to powder brains, inflate PR and connections in the structures of NASA and the Pentagon. I believe that it will fly. That this will be achieved without outside help is nonsense for the sectarians.
    2. Berkut24
      Berkut24 29 September 2019 13: 25
      +41
      Judging by the photo, this product is not intended for a flight to the moon, but for raising money from investors who have never studied physics. The body is "brilliant", the wings are bigger, one step is enough to fly in both ends.
      1. Edik
        Edik 29 September 2019 13: 30
        +2
        Quote: Berkut24
        Judging by the photo, this product is not intended to fly to the moon, but to collect money from investors

        This is a layout for raising funds from investors, it smells not very good! But you never know laughingMaybe he really builds something request
      2. spirit
        spirit 29 September 2019 13: 58
        +6
        Well, you’re much smarter than the Japanese billionaire who invests there laughing where with his chicken brains to couch experts like you
        1. BARKAS
          BARKAS 29 September 2019 14: 25
          +11
          Only such as Mezawa and sold the Eiffel Tower repeatedly.
        2. Amin_vivec
          Amin_vivec 29 September 2019 16: 13
          +1
          If Musk succeeds, and suddenly it turns out that at low cost, in the shortest possible time with good engines, a "bucket" for 140 tons of carrying capacity and 100 crew members can be launched into space, how long will such a "bucket" be only for Musk? In 5-6 years, even the Saudis will have such buckets.
          I wonder how there are security issues for 100 crew members))) If 100 people burn immediately, it will be tin.
          These 100 people, by the way, have nowhere to fly. And Musk is a komersant, and instead of the Moon or Mars, IT will make tourist suborbital flights to test the delights of weightlessness.
        3. lucul
          lucul 29 September 2019 17: 25
          +8
          Well, you’re much smarter than the Japanese billionaire who invests there laughing where with his chicken brains to couch experts like you

          Indeed - Mask hasn’t put ANY person into orbit, but he’s already about to send it to the moon ...
          Nu-nu ...))))
          1. Vol4ara
            Vol4ara 29 September 2019 19: 07
            +4
            Quote: lucul
            Well, you’re much smarter than the Japanese billionaire who invests there laughing where with his chicken brains to couch experts like you

            Indeed - Mask hasn’t put ANY person into orbit, but he’s already about to send it to the moon ...
            Nu-nu ...))))

            I can imagine how you will get bombed when he does it)
            1. lucul
              lucul 29 September 2019 20: 16
              +1
              I can imagine how you will get bombed when he does it)

              I think that my grandchildren will not live to see this))))
            2. Snusmumrik
              Snusmumrik 29 September 2019 22: 30
              +5
              Will do so. Honor and praise be to him. We have been doing this since 1961.
              1. John Connor_2
                John Connor_2 1 October 2019 14: 00
                -1
                Who are "we? USSR or current imperial Russia? If you take into account the USSR and the Queen, then the country worked for him !!! Need the Queen Heavy Engineering, Electronics, etc. please. He would try to launch a rocket as a private trader. For those who are sitting in a cheburnet and explaining the braces on their heads, Mask is a private trader !!! And when you compare Roscosmos, which ... the legacy of the USSR and the Mask, you dishonor yourself! All the more, compare the USSR!
            3. orionvitt
              orionvitt 29 September 2019 22: 37
              +2
              Starship Mk1 will rise to a height of 20 km.
              Here you have the whole Musk.
        4. Andrei Nikolaevich
          Andrei Nikolaevich 29 September 2019 20: 41
          +2
          Remember Yusakich .. :-)
      3. RUSS
        RUSS 29 September 2019 15: 09
        +4
        Quote: Berkut24
        Judging by the photo, this product is not intended for a flight to the moon, but for raising money from investors who have never studied physics. The body is "brilliant", the wings are bigger, one step is enough to fly in both ends.

        So this is not a product, but a test rocket
      4. maidan.izrailovich
        maidan.izrailovich 29 September 2019 15: 21
        +2
        ... this product is not intended to fly to the moon, but to collect money from investors, ...

        Musk is a master at such "projects".
        https://ria.ru/20180505/1519933981.html
        1. maden.usmanow
          maden.usmanow 29 September 2019 15: 35
          +5
          And he shot all the flights of his reusable rockets in Hollywood.
          1. Berkut24
            Berkut24 29 September 2019 15: 43
            +7
            And he shot all the flights of his reusable rockets in Hollywood.

            No, in Hollywood, he made videos about the profitability of these flights. Because the real profitability of the Mask projects is a mystery behind seven seals.
            1. maden.usmanow
              maden.usmanow 29 September 2019 15: 52
              +14
              What was the profitability of the first computer?
              Or a car?
              Or an airplane?

              Of course, Musk is at risk, it’s not pumping oil from the earth.
              1. Shahno
                Shahno 29 September 2019 15: 54
                +6
                Probably someone should. To risk.
                1. Sanichsan
                  Sanichsan 30 September 2019 14: 32
                  +1
                  Quote: Shahno
                  Probably someone should. To risk.

                  at the expense of American taxpayers and Japanese millionaires? why not wassat
              2. Berkut24
                Berkut24 29 September 2019 17: 32
                +1
                What did Musk do for the first time?
              3. abc_alex
                abc_alex 30 September 2019 10: 13
                +2
                Quote: maden.usmanow
                What was the profitability of the first computer?
                Or a car?
                Or an airplane?

                Hmm ... Does Musk make the first rocket in human history? Maybe the first spaceship? Maybe he is preparing for the first time in history to bring a person into space? Or is he making the first ship to fly to the moon?
                What does Mask, in your opinion, do, which is comparable to the first computer or airplane?

                Let me remind you that ALL HYIP district around Mask and Space-X is based only on the fact that this is supposedly a project created outside the state order system. And that’s it. But those who are imposing that it is a private company forget that Boeing is also private.
        2. Vol4ara
          Vol4ara 29 September 2019 19: 08
          -3
          Quote: maidan.izrailovich
          ... this product is not intended to fly to the moon, but to collect money from investors, ...

          Musk is a master at such "projects".
          https://ria.ru/20180505/1519933981.html

          This is a fiasco bro https://www.forbes.ru/biznes/368401-kak-vam-takoe-tesla-poluchila-rekordnuyu-pribyl
      5. Fedor egoist
        Fedor egoist 29 September 2019 15: 30
        +15
        Starship Mk1 spacecraft for flights to the moon and Mars

        This "spaceship" looks more like a silo with wings laughing

        Quote: Berkut24
        This product is not intended to fly to the moon, but to collect money from investors who have never taught physics

        I completely agree)) Musk, it seems, decided to monetize his reputation and close the topic of private interplanetary flights laughing
        1. orionvitt
          orionvitt 29 September 2019 22: 40
          0
          Quote: Fedor Egoist
          close the topic of private interplanetary flights

          Only the state can deal with space, due to huge costs. Both monetary and intellectual .. All talk about private investors, idle talk.
          1. Arturov
            Arturov 30 September 2019 02: 23
            -1
            Quote: orionvitt
            Quote: Fedor Egoist
            close the topic of private interplanetary flights

            Only the state can deal with space, due to huge costs. Both monetary and intellectual .. All talk about private investors, idle talk.

            Previously, they talked about computers with a football field the same garbage, now smarts are more powerful in the order of those monsters in the hundreds of millions.
            1. orionvitt
              orionvitt 30 September 2019 19: 35
              -2
              Quote: Arturov
              they said that garbage

              And people, like they were not on the moon, are just gathering. And where is your technology?
        2. John Connor_2
          John Connor_2 1 October 2019 14: 03
          0
          Of course of course! These stupid Americans can’t even build a beautiful ship! Is it the case of Roskosmos! See what a beautiful building they are building!
          https://www.ntv.ru/novosti/2158321/
      6. ProkletyiPirat
        ProkletyiPirat 29 September 2019 16: 53
        0
        Quote: Berkut24
        Judging by the photo, this product is not intended for a flight to the moon, but for raising money from investors who have never studied physics. The body is "brilliant", the wings are bigger, one step is enough to fly in both ends.

        You don’t understand, in the USA there is a popular cult of "stardom" And now the old Star Trek and other "tube" works of art have just become popular again. It is under this nostalgia that the next PR action is sharpened.
    3. Angelo Provolone
      Angelo Provolone 29 September 2019 13: 27
      +27
      you need to defend your dissertation on the topic: "Determination of the structure's performance by its appearance".
      1. Oleg123219307
        Oleg123219307 29 September 2019 13: 49
        +21
        Here at VO such a dissertation will already be plagiarized. In the next branch in appearance, they proved that Poseidon is a fiction ...
        1. Loess
          Loess 29 September 2019 14: 41
          +14
          Quote: oleg123219307
          In the next branch in appearance, they proved that Poseidon is a fiction ...

          So is Poseidon. He is Russian. And foreigners will not lie)))
        2. Cruorvult
          Cruorvult 30 September 2019 07: 25
          +1
          To the point, there are even few "holes on the rocket", it seems to us they are lying :-D
      2. Sanichsan
        Sanichsan 30 September 2019 14: 34
        +1
        Quote: Angelo Provolone
        "Determination of the performance of a structure by its appearance".

        hmm .. one such has already been blown away by the wind. you need to be a very strong believer in order to believe that this one will definitely not blow away yes
    4. Kontrik
      Kontrik 29 September 2019 13: 39
      -5
      Quote: neri73-r
      Judging by the appearance, this product will not fly. what

      Itself saby .. Mask just PR and especially our internal liberals .. hi
      Launches all garbage into space, but to no one’s point.
      Think men and analyze the Old .. To whom and for what it is needed!
      1. Kronos
        Kronos 29 September 2019 14: 34
        +3
        It will not fly at Rogozin and the Mask will fly
      2. nickname7
        nickname7 1 October 2019 10: 13
        -1
        The mask is just PR and especially our liberals are internal

        For liberals, Musk is an idol, they worship him.
        1. John Connor_2
          John Connor_2 1 October 2019 14: 07
          0
          Musk is an idol for normal people who understand the difference between a private trader who managed to get ahead and a state corporation where lawyers and journalists and failed projects sit! And for you I give the meaning of the word liberal: Liberalism (from Latin liberalis - free) is a philosophical and socio-political movement that proclaims the inviolability of human rights and personal freedoms. So these freedoms do not exist in Russia where the irreplaceable king, the priest and his boyars are ruled by billionaires who do not care about their own people! Soon, riots throughout Raska will begin because of the EDR and their corruption policy, and here you are laughing at Mask.
          1. nickname7
            nickname7 3 October 2019 19: 36
            0
            Mask idol for normal people who understand the difference between a private trader who managed to break ahead and state corporation

            This is an idealistic simplistic view. But in general, VO will agree with you, not everything is in order with Roskosmos. I hope you do not mind learning good from the west? This is why you need to delve into the details, like the Mask.

            I give you the meaning of the word liberal: Liberalism (from lat. liberalis - free) is a philosophical and socio-political movement that proclaims the inviolability of human rights and personal freedoms.

            Dear, the vocabulary definition is one thing, and some people in the Russian Federation who call themselves liberals do not fall under the vocabulary definition, I meant this pseudo-type of rosiberals. In Russia, there are standard liberals, to whom there are no complaints.
            For example, the British, liberals for freedom, as well as for greatness and for the interests of Britain. And the pseudo-liberals, the Russian Federation, are fighting against the interests of the Russian Federation, and are moving to the side of other countries. Such behavior in Britain qualifies as treason. In Russia, such personalities mimic liberals. and liberalism (from lat. liberalis - free) does not apply to them.

            So these freedoms do not exist in Russia where the irreplaceable tsar the father and his boyars are ruled by billionaires

            The irreplaceable king and what does personal freedom have to do with it? I do not condone irremovability, but in fairness, you were forbidden to move freely, speak out?
            "Echo of Moscow" will sand the authorities, is it a ban on freedom of speech?
            Irremovability, boyars and billionaires in VO also do not like.
            Soon, riots throughout Raska will begin because of the EDR and their corruption policy,

            There will be no big riots, they lied to you. But minor riots, this is the same democracy. Rights must be fought. To rebel at your enterprise, against the capitalist, for the salary and improve conditions, this is a healthy way, and to rebel against an official (Putin) is stupid.
            and here you are laughing at Mask

            It is not true. Any representative of humanity moving progress, worthy of respect. The mask is respected here. There are simply some omissions and I want to get to the bottom of the truth. And there are those who are not looking, but are content with glossy advertising presentations.
    5. Hog
      Hog 29 September 2019 13: 41
      0
      Judging by the look

      Starhopper generally looks like a barrel and flies nothing (a rocket is not a plane; it does not need to be beautiful, especially since it is a prototype).
      1. maidan.izrailovich
        maidan.izrailovich 29 September 2019 15: 30
        +6
        Starhopper generally looks like a barrel and nothing flew ....

        For a spacecraft, the concept "flew" means went into space. And it doesn't matter that this is a prototype.
        And so, as Starhopper flew, then attach a rocket engine to the railway tank and it will fly too.
    6. novel66
      novel66 29 September 2019 13: 45
      +14
      definitely !! some crap with wings
      1. A good one
        A good one 29 September 2019 14: 27
        -2
        Quote: novel xnumx
        definitely !! some crap with wings
        So someone needs this, that is, to the stars in the sky that someone lights smile
        1. novel66
          novel66 29 September 2019 14: 38
          +4
          what the hell !!!
    7. Dinic
      Dinic 29 September 2019 13: 54
      +3
      Well, why? Surely will fly. But it will land very quickly.
    8. loki565
      loki565 29 September 2019 14: 04
      +13
      It looks like fiction 60s)))



    9. vadim dok
      vadim dok 29 September 2019 14: 40
      -6
      The prototype ALREADY flew!
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 29 September 2019 15: 36
        +6
        Quote: vadim dok
        The prototype ALREADY flew!

        Question: Where did you fly?
        1. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 30 September 2019 14: 37
          0
          Quote: sabakina
          Question: Where did you fly?

          how did you not hear? belay really flew! the last dummy of the rocket mask was blown away by the wind and it flew away, but not far. a little sideways.
    10. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 29 September 2019 14: 46
      +2
      Quote: neri73-r
      Judging by the appearance, this product will not fly.

      PR, money, goods. And there you will see, but the money ahead.
    11. Piramidon
      Piramidon 29 September 2019 16: 01
      +11
      Quote: neri73-r
      Judging by the appearance, this product will not fly. what

      Guys, well, there is no need for "plus" and "shoulder straps" to make money on popular comments. I don’t know your name, neri71-ry, but from what hangover did you draw such conclusions? For me, from the moment I entered the military school in 1966, the Yankes have always been "a probable enemy number 1, but by no means complete fools
    12. Speedy
      Speedy 29 September 2019 18: 20
      +4
      This is Hollywood 70s .... Nostalgia))
    13. Karabas
      Karabas 30 September 2019 05: 30
      0
      Musk promotes retrodesign.

      And then on Mars, this is what will happen:
    14. pytar
      pytar 1 October 2019 09: 49
      0
      Judging by the appearance, this product will not fly.

      You can not judge by appearance! Starship Mk1 - technology demonstrator, experimental site. In fact, the product is part of a huge multifunctional complex.

      Starship / Starship / is essentially a shuttle-like concept! Complete reusability of the entire element complex! Its bullet-like, aerodynamic shape, due to the fact that it is like shuttles, must overcome the aerodynamic resistance of the atmosphere before going out into space, without the need to reset the head fairing! There are simply none. The ship’s hull itself is the head deflector! Saves weight and simplifies design. T.N. porch, airiness are the aerodynamic obtorgovateli landing legs, because the eldership will land vertically, like a Falcon! For falcons, the landing legs are deployable, but with the enormous mass of Starship, such a design would be more complicated and its weight would be too big! Therefore, the designers made the legs stationary. It’s like a plane with fixed wheels in aerodynamic deflectors.

      The whole ship must rise into space with the help of a huge Superheavy rocket!
  2. tetragram
    tetragram 29 September 2019 13: 15
    +10
    This ship looks like "hug and cry"
    1. ltc35
      ltc35 29 September 2019 13: 22
      +10
      So they have a lot of such devices! For example F-35. It is impossible to watch without tears, but it flies and is sold to partners in hundreds.
      1. quote
        quote 30 September 2019 08: 02
        +1
        Quote: ltc35
        So they have a lot of such devices! For example F-35. It is impossible to watch without tears, but it flies and is sold to partners in hundreds.

        And after the partners cry with bitter tears. Germany refused to fu-35. A bunch of hemorrhoids, not an airplane.
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 29 September 2019 13: 26
      +10
      Well this is a flight stand.

      However, Musk at the presentation about this said - that they calculated, and this metal will be sufficient. Additional coatings are not necessary due to the optimization of the trajectories. They will be covered by thermal protection, only narrow sectors and the bottom. The rest will endure like this. It will be cheaper and less dead weight.

      How will it be, see.

      The main thing inside is the LNG engine with complete gasification of the elements. And he was already jumping.


      In a couple of months (well, the deadlines will surely float) there will be a jump on the MK1 on 20km with a soft landing. Next spring, the first jump on 100 + km. In 2020, the MK2 will be introduced with even finer skin and other improvements.

      In general, you need to see what happens. 11 years ago, they were also laughed at (the first flight of Falcon1). And now, they squeezed the launch markets out as tough. Even the French were sick of the fact that rich Arabs had run from Ariana to Mask.

      The design will be very difficult to sell, simply because, it is very unlike what others have. At the same time, it looks really unreliable. However, overall, it is very cosmic. For example, Hubble.
      1. Lontus
        Lontus 29 September 2019 13: 39
        +9
        Quote: donavi49
        At the same time, it looks really unreliable. However, overall, it is very cosmic. For example, Hubble.

        What does Hubble look unreliable?
        You are making yourself a space connoisseur and at the same time you are comparing an object that is forced to overcome the atmosphere (Starship) and therefore by its appearance it is possible to judge how reliable it will be to do this, and an object flying only in a vacuum (Hubble) and therefore can have any, even the most bizarre shape.
        We put "no" to an illiterate propagandist.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 29 September 2019 13: 52
          0
          Well, it looks quite like a KA = though outlandish for conventional rockets.
          Musk assured at night that they had calculated and that they would have enough metal without additional thermal insulation (thermal insulation only in narrow sectors).

          It smells, flops, falls apart, or comes out as calculated = it will show only the first flight test (we don’t count the intermediate jump at 20km). Musk promises him in six months (I set for the summer). Then there will be a concept check.

          If there is not enough metal, then Mask will be sharply thrown back. For you have to return to composites and thermal insulation, which, according to him, is 5 times more expensive.
        2. Lannan Shi
          Lannan Shi 29 September 2019 16: 12
          -1
          Quote: Lontus
          an object that is forced to overcome the atmosphere (Starship) and therefore in appearance it is possible to judge how reliably it will do it

          In appearance, the ships were built. Sailing. 200 years ago. Then they began to count. Then they grew up to the wind tunnel. But you have a diamond eye. Broadcast from Sirius’s orbit? From aboard an interplanetary ship? Knocked together by eye?
          But in general, this mask bent Roscosmos, knocking down prices by 1,5 times. 8A is not the other way around. And the mask is not a rash cattail. While the mask holds the word.
      2. Alexy
        Alexy 29 September 2019 14: 01
        +15
        Danelia cried)))
        1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
          GELEZNII_KAPUT 29 September 2019 14: 23
          -1
          Quote: Alexy
          Danelia cried)))

          And by the way, vidos, like from "Star Wars", the beginning of the series! laughing
      3. Lexus
        Lexus 29 September 2019 14: 19
        -3
        The main thing inside is the LNG engine with complete gasification of the elements. And he was already jumping.

        Here, some "writers" have sofas for a long time "with full gasification", as it seems to them, they jump higher during the commentary. wink
      4. Mikhail Drabkin
        Mikhail Drabkin 29 September 2019 14: 20
        +3
        You donavi49 write
        How will it be, see

        -Really!!! And it is interesting to be a witness to an original approach to overcoming the problem of gravity.
        —- The assembly stand is striking .... the construction site is right ... without supports and risers .... it only looks a lot cheaper and faster in embodiment - we compare it with Vostochny Cosmodrome ...
        —- And the American (or rather, the Anglo-Saxon Protestant ....] - “PARTNERS” NEED TO KNOW COLLEAGUES) amazes business acumen, youthful energy and speed of implementation! At this rate of disbursement, theft and corruption are minimized.
        -Good luck Elon Musk! This is good luck to mankind in his travels to the stars, begun by Tsiolkovsky, Sputnik, Gagarin and the Geniuses of Russia!
        —- By the way, Musk is learning everything that the USSR has done in space exploration.
        1. Cube123
          Cube123 29 September 2019 15: 33
          +3
          Quote: Michael Drabkin
          —- By the way, Musk is learning everything that the USSR has done in space exploration. [/ b]

          But, perhaps, he does not know what was done by the Russians before the USSR. For example, the Tsiolkovsky formula, which speaks of the impossibility of reaching the moon with a single-stage rocket.

          https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Формула_Циолковского

          The same article shows the balance of speeds of the Saturn V rocket during the launch of the Apollo spacecraft on the flight path to the moon.
          1. astepanov
            astepanov 29 September 2019 16: 09
            +5
            Quote: Cube123
            But, perhaps, he does not know what was done by the Russians before the USSR. For example, the Tsiolkovsky formula, which speaks of the impossibility of reaching the moon with a single-stage rocket.

            Tsiolkovsky does not say a word about this - as, incidentally, in the article. But the article states that this formula was deduced at least twice before Tsiolkovsky, and by no means in the USSR. And, by the way, the Mask rocket is not one-stage, but two-stage.
            And in general, I do not understand what they ran into Musk? Something grandfather Krylov remembered, the fable "Fox and grapes". Tell us better about the unprecedented successes of Mr. Rogozin's department. In less than half a century, we will build a super-heavy rocket - but it is more likely that this construction is akin to building communism, a kind of religious ceremony in which ritual is more important than the result. At least over the past 20 years, the situation has not changed in anything.
            And Musk - what about Musk? If he steals, then it’s not with us. And not to the extent.
      5. Oquzyurd
        Oquzyurd 29 September 2019 18: 19
        +2
        Kin-Dza-Dza! laughing So, he stole the idea from Soviet cinema what
      6. Reader 2013
        Reader 2013 30 September 2019 19: 45
        +1
        Well done two concrete sites, a hangar and flies, but we can’t finish building a cosmodrome for wild money and there’s nothing to fly from it
    3. Piramidon
      Piramidon 29 September 2019 16: 22
      0
      I am not a fan of Janex. But, from what hangover such conclusions? You attended his trials, and you can cite the comparative advantages and disadvantages of ours and his, Mask, ships. Or do you just want the same pluses in the rating to collect?
  3. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 29 September 2019 13: 17
    +24
    I, of course, is far from knowledge of aerodynamics ... Presented, in the photo of PIECES, are very reminiscent of shots from science fiction films 30-50g.
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 29 September 2019 13: 29
      +1
      Quote: The Siberian Barber
      I, of course, is far from knowledge of aerodynamics ... Presented, in the photo of PIECES, are very reminiscent of shots from science fiction films 30-50g.

      "Aelita", exactly !!! What is aerodynamics in space? And we know very well what the descent vehicles are.
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 29 September 2019 13: 46
        0
        So the point is to plant the eldership as a whole. Therefore, steering wheels. Will it come out or not we'll see 2020 closer to summer. When MK1 (or 2) will fly to 100km + with landing.
    2. novel66
      novel66 29 September 2019 13: 47
      +4
      in my opinion, we are fooled again ...
      1. vadim dok
        vadim dok 29 September 2019 14: 48
        -4
        Nobody fools you personally! This is a presentation for those who FLY on this ship! And you are waiting for Rogozin! He will not fool you!
        1. novel66
          novel66 29 September 2019 14: 57
          +4
          To chefner
          "There is an airplane on matches here. But a rascal bought them. It won't fly anywhere, but from
          mother will fly in. "
        2. mister-red
          mister-red 29 September 2019 15: 59
          +8
          The USA has not had a manned space program for 8 years. The Chinese last flew 3 years ago. Every year, Russia regularly launches 4 devices. And Russia is certainly backward.
          When they fly, then you will speak. And in fact, at the end of the year, a box of cognac awaits me, which I will definitely win. The bet that the Americans this year will not fly on their own into space. The guy I'm arguing with, says that not only Musk, but Boeing will send his ship with people.
          By the way, they didn’t notice that Musk was constantly distracting the attention with this ship, but in fact he had to send people back in the summer.
          1. Dali
            Dali 30 September 2019 10: 42
            +1
            +10000

            And all the rest, "as if", have forgotten the saying - chickens are counted in the fall ... they are just trolls or foreign or liberoid.

            In the meantime, most of Ilona Mask's "chickens" are dead. )))
  4. Nycomed
    Nycomed 29 September 2019 13: 18
    +1
    Well, I don’t know, wait and see. Personally, I have faith in the 50 Mask 50.
  5. Republican
    Republican 29 September 2019 13: 21
    +4
    MK1 is only the first flight prototype! MK2 is under construction in Florida. MK3 has already begun to be assembled, in general, a completely reusable super-heavy space system. And the funny thing is that with the help of this system, SDI becomes an absolutely real achievable goal, the Pentagon is anticipating the militarization of space. And the concept of "Orbital bombardment" in the near future, will cease to be a fantastic term.
    1. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 29 September 2019 13: 43
      -1
      Quote: Republican
      And the concept of "Orbital bombardment" in the near future, will cease to be a fantastic term.

      In short, the S-500 - in series!
  6. zxc15682
    zxc15682 29 September 2019 13: 21
    +4
    And if it flies ... Then we will watch how Musk will send hundreds of Americans to the moon .. They will have "The era of the exploration of the wild moon".
    1. vargo
      vargo 29 September 2019 13: 38
      +1
      We can only guess. The main thing is that the necessary people analyze all of this and decide there whether it will fly or stay on Earth. And if so, you can go far.
    2. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 29 September 2019 13: 40
      -1
      Quote: zxc15682
      The era of the exploration of the wild moon "they will have.

      Yeah. Native helium-3 will be scooped with buckets.
      The average price of helium-3 in 2009 was, according to some estimates, about 930 USD per liter
      http://www.qfs2009.northwestern.edu/survey/
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 29 September 2019 15: 38
        +2
        On the Moon there are a lot of rare earth metals in the form of iron meteorites and this is all on the surface, since there is no soil erosion on the Moon - Mask will be able to capture this market for trillions of dollars.
        1. poquello
          poquello 29 September 2019 17: 25
          +1
          Quote: Vadim237
          On the Moon there are a lot of rare earth metals in the form of iron meteorites and this is all on the surface, since there is no soil erosion on the Moon - Mask will be able to capture this market for trillions of dollars.

          even the Chinese do not find anything there, they probably lie or the Americans hid everything
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 29 September 2019 18: 27
            +3
            And the Chinese have that intelligence mission to find fossils?
            1. poquello
              poquello 2 October 2019 01: 21
              0
              Quote: Vadim237
              And the Chinese have that intelligence mission to find fossils?

              oh, and they are so .., came to ride
      2. Local from the Volga
        Local from the Volga 29 September 2019 15: 51
        +1
        Where does the price come from, if there is no market on our planet, from the word at all !? And now, convert liters to grams - it will become bad from the price!
        1. Vasyan1971
          Vasyan1971 29 September 2019 17: 34
          0
          Quote: Local from the Volga
          Where does the price come from, if there is no market on our planet, from the word at all !?

          There at the end of the reference, go. And read about helium-3.
          Quote: Local from the Volga
          And now, convert liters to grams - it will become bad from the price!

          About that and speech!
    3. sabakina
      sabakina 29 September 2019 14: 02
      0
      Quote: zxc15682
      And if it flies ... Then we will watch how Musk will send hundreds of Americans to the moon .. They will have "The era of the exploration of the wild moon".

      I believe that the "Moon Indians" will be against their "development." Moreover, they are more technologically advanced than Musk.
  7. vargo
    vargo 29 September 2019 13: 31
    +8
    I am not an expert, but I will try to personally describe my questions to my appearance.
    1) Graduation in rockets is used to reduce the mass that needs to be pushed. And the absence (apparently, maybe I'm mistaken) of the steps seems to me to strongly affect at least the voracity of this rocket
    2) The external performance is more like a 60s flyer when a beautiful chrome rocket is outwardly drawn. Moreover, it is not at all clear why it should be made shiny.
    3) There are small wings, but their shape and design does not cause a feeling that they will help in planning or taxiing
    4) I understand that building a large test rocket is not very cost-effective, but testing on smaller copies is not entirely correct. The same conditions for a small copy are not directly proportional to a larger copy (weight, dimensions, etc.)

    As a result, at least outwardly, this prototype seems to me not viable. Unless of course Mask has a special levitating technology.
    I repeat that I am not special, and I am guided only by philistine knowledge. I would be glad to hear a bigger specialist than me
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 29 September 2019 13: 41
      +3
      1) Well, and here they have an 3 + 3 engine + space refueling, because LNG is fuel for all engines. For hevik, there will be a separate step.


      2) He spoke there about half the presentation. They wanted to wrap / bake composites and cover them with thermal protection from above. But it turned out 5 times more expensive. They calculated this decision and consider that it is enough. Plus, this type allows you to work with temperature differences for a good fatigue period.

      In general, they settled on metal + limited thermal protection in places of maximum heating. Keep the temperature regime of structural strength, they will be the trajectory.

      3) To maintain the same trajectory. Although it looks snot agree. However, this is a flight stand. He will have jumps on 20km and on 100km. Moreover, it is not a fact that from the 100km jump he will not crap. In general, his flight program is limited. MK2 are making an introduction to the program by the 20 year. MK3 will be assembled according to the final manufacturing process (from rings and thinner lining). It is at MK3 that they will begin to try something useful. MK1-2 - only tests.

      In general, one must watch. There is either mega success or failure. For a bunch of other solutions ranging from the engine (Musk still beat Bezos) to the overall design. Some real data (access to space) will be in 2020 - I put it for the summer.
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 29 September 2019 14: 07
        0
        donavi49, tell me honestly, who do you trust more, Korolev or Mask?
        1. vadim dok
          vadim dok 29 September 2019 14: 54
          +3
          Korolev worked with 60 materials and science a year ago, without the computers and technologies of today!
          1. sabakina
            sabakina 29 September 2019 15: 49
            +2
            Well, that is a given. But Korolev sent Gagarin without any computers. And H-1 would fly without computers, if not ............
          2. Mihail2019
            Mihail2019 29 September 2019 17: 52
            +4
            Only physics and mathematics have not changed since then. Technologies and materials - yes, they made a big leap forward .. But not so much that today they would make such an ashes an actual spaceship.
            It looks like a miracle, excuse me, as "made of shit and sticks".
            Foil coated barn.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 29 September 2019 22: 05
              -3
              This machine is an experimental flight stand for running engines and structures, as well as control systems.
          3. Siberian54
            Siberian54 1 October 2019 13: 12
            0
            In the fifties on the territory of the USSR was the most powerful computer on the continent ..
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 29 September 2019 15: 49
        +1
        The best grade of stainless steel - heat-resistant XH45Yu can withstand 1350 degrees for 100 hours - when descending from orbit, the lining of this ship will heat up from 1700 to 2000 degrees, you can not do without ceramic thermal protection - not a reusable rocket or a ship. Presentation itself and the ship itself, as well as the rocket, will need retractable racks when landing for stability.
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 29 September 2019 17: 01
          +2
          Quote: Vadim237
          and the ship itself, as well as the rocket, will need retractable racks when landing for stability.

          Racks ... Rods ... Case Shape ... lol So everything was invented long ago:
        2. Mrstron
          Mrstron 29 September 2019 22: 51
          -1
          Do you really think that the only company in the world that developed return steps and uses them has not heard about it? Only those areas that are heated will be protected by ceramics, SpaceX steps drop forward with nozzles, and they are heated.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 30 September 2019 00: 09
            +1
            I didn’t observe ceramics on their steps.
    2. forty-eighth
      forty-eighth 29 September 2019 19: 41
      -2
      Quote: vargo
      I am not an expert, but I will try to personally describe my questions to my appearance.
      1) Graduation in rockets is used to reduce the mass that needs to be pushed. And the absence (apparently, maybe I'm mistaken) of the steps seems to me to strongly affect at least the voracity of this rocket
      2) The external performance is more like a 60s flyer when a beautiful chrome rocket is outwardly drawn. Moreover, it is not at all clear why it should be made shiny.
      3) There are small wings, but their shape and design does not cause a feeling that they will help in planning or taxiing
      4) I understand that building a large test rocket is not very cost-effective, but testing on smaller copies is not entirely correct. The same conditions for a small copy are not directly proportional to a larger copy (weight, dimensions, etc.)

      As a result, at least outwardly, this prototype seems to me not viable. Unless of course Mask has a special levitating technology.
      I repeat that I am not special, and I am guided only by philistine knowledge. I would be glad to hear a bigger specialist than me

      Don't worry, you're not the first to be unimpressed with your looks. Five years ago, "sheets" of 100500 pages of text were in vogue, where "engineers with twenty years of experience in the aerospace industry" scientifically substantiated the futility of masked "macaroni". And today every major aerospace corporation in the world is engaged in the development of reusable stages. Roskosmos including
      1. Dali
        Dali 30 September 2019 10: 50
        +2
        Quote: forty-eighth
        "engineers with twenty years of experience in the aerospace industry" scientifically substantiated the futility of Mask's "macaroni".

        References to the studio please ... and the people will look, is it really all wrong in these texts ...
  8. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 29 September 2019 13: 33
    +8
    I do not want to empty the product empty-handedly, but it looks like a decoration for a cheap Hollywood class Ts prowler. request
    If IT flies to Mars (well, or at least to the Moon), and even 100 pardons for the sake of this convict will be lucky (what will they do there?), Then ....
    1. Nycomed
      Nycomed 29 September 2019 13: 41
      +2
      "I do not want to empty the product empty-handedly, but it looks like a decoration for a cheap Hollywood class Ts prowler."
      About 40 years ago, I would have blown about the same thing. But, Hollywood, even in its cheapest films, has long been using computer graphics. So that...
      1. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 29 September 2019 13: 47
        +5
        Quote: Nycomed
        Hollywood, even in its cheapest films, has long been using computer graphics.

        In cheap films and graphics are cheap.
      2. sabakina
        sabakina 29 September 2019 14: 09
        +2
        Nycomed, personally I like the ship from the TV series "At the End of the Universe".
        1. Nycomed
          Nycomed 29 September 2019 14: 20
          +1
          And to me from the films of F.S. Bondarchuk. winked
          1. sabakina
            sabakina 29 September 2019 15: 50
            +1
            Quote: Nycomed
            And to me from the films of F.S. Bondarchuk. winked

            For example?
            1. Nycomed
              Nycomed 29 September 2019 16: 16
              +1
              "Attraction", but there is very little. Actually, I'm not a big fan of science fiction, so in this area I am, rather, no ... Alas ... request feel crying
    2. Hog
      Hog 29 September 2019 13: 55
      -1
      Quote: Vasyan1971
      I do not want to empty the product empty-handedly, but it looks like a decoration for a cheap Hollywood class Ts prowler. request
      If IT flies to Mars (well, or at least to the Moon), and even 100 pardons for the sake of this convict will be lucky (what will they do there?), Then ....

      Who said that this particular rocket will fly to Mars and even with a hundred passengers?
      and said that he would lift it into space in six months, and the first test flight of the ship will take place in one to two months. At the same time, Starship Mk1 will rise to a height of 20 km.

      Where is it about Mars?
      1. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 29 September 2019 14: 06
        +1
        There seems to be nothing about "specifically", but
        Elon Musk made a presentation of his Starship Mk1 spacecraft and promised to send it into orbit six months later.

        Therefore, I do not want to groundlessly slander.
        Quote: Hog
        Where is it about Mars?

        Earlier it was reported that the Starship spaceship should become the largest and heaviest manned spacecraft in history, accommodating up to 100 people. The main purpose of this ship is to deliver colonists to the moon and Mars.
        1. Hog
          Hog 29 September 2019 14: 09
          +1
          Are you kidding me or something, this is a prototype that will bring maximum into space and that's it, for Mars there will be a completely different rocket.
          1. Vasyan1971
            Vasyan1971 29 September 2019 14: 12
            -1
            Quote: Hog
            Are you kidding me?

            Figs knows him, I have not decided yet ... Wait and see.
  9. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 29 September 2019 13: 34
    +1
    The founder of SpaceX, Ilon Musk, introduced the public to the upcoming Starship Mk1 spacecraft (work was also being carried out during the presentation) and announced that he would lift it into space within six months, and the first test flight of the ship would take place in one to two months. At the same time, Starship Mk1 will rise to a height of 20 km
    It's Hollywood epic
    Equipped with 37 Raptor engines, it will be able to put into orbit up to 150 tons of load or transport up to 100 people.
    and this is generally like a presentation of a psychological trainer for future adepts. Well, how not to remember the unforgettable "Many believe" (c) PS sorry for the picture for some reason it is still impossible to insert
    PS Photo in general, as from fantas. film, or rather from its scenery .. Especially the cranes directly touches ... the work works .... and what thread of the hurricane is missing ...
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 29 September 2019 14: 12
      +1
      Victor, if I'm not mistaken, Korolev had a problem how to synchronize all engines.
      1. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona 29 September 2019 14: 17
        +1
        Well, Falcon Heavy flew the same, and that one also had engines, even a booty chew.
        1. KVU-NSVD
          KVU-NSVD 29 September 2019 14: 26
          +2
          Quote: BlackMokona
          Well, Falcon Heavy flew the same, and that one also had engines, even a booty chew.

          I don’t know, I won’t argue, but the photo is completely killing me with its ostentatiousness - the super-heavy missiles are assembled differently .. - and then there is some kind of apparatus by engineer Gusev ("Aelita" by A.N. Tolstoy, if anything)
          1. Blackmokona
            Blackmokona 29 September 2019 15: 22
            +2
            Musk is the only manufacturer in the world to produce Falcon-Heavy heavy-duty flying rockets and does he not know how to assemble them?
          2. Mrstron
            Mrstron 29 September 2019 22: 54
            +1
            Am I am amazed at types like you, is this such trolling stupidity? Or do not read the topic, answer immediately? This is a test sample, in fact a mass-dimensional model with working engines and a control system, the task of which is to rise to a height of 20 km and try to descend.
        2. Lontus
          Lontus 29 September 2019 14: 31
          -2
          Quote: BlackMokona
          Well, Falcon Heavy flew the same, and that one also had engines, even a booty chew.

          But no longer flies. They plan to hell-when., In the hope that then the dates will be postponed a couple of times, and then canceled altogether. - they say we will launch on Super Heavy.
          And not once this "type of heavyweight" has not brought a payload that is not available to the usual Falcon 9.
          1. Blackmokona
            Blackmokona 29 September 2019 15: 22
            +2
            In general, three times already flew, and new launches are preparing
            1. Lontus
              Lontus 29 September 2019 15: 53
              0
              not a reader, but a writer?
              Quote: BlackMokona
              already flew three times

              so I wrote:
              Quote: Lontus
              never once did this "type of heavyweight" bring out a payload that is not available to the usual Falcon 9.

              --
              Quote: BlackMokona
              and new launches are preparing

              so I wrote:
              Quote: Lontus
              They are planning to hell-when., In the hope that then the dates would be postponed a couple of times and then canceled altogether. - they say we will launch on Super Heavy.


              You do not refute my theses, but only repeat them, but in a mild form apologetic for Mask.
              What's the point? Hoping for an inattentive illiterate reader?
              1. Blackmokona
                Blackmokona 29 September 2019 16: 39
                -2
                Generally deduced if we take into account the characteristics of the orbits of the devices
                1. Lontus
                  Lontus 29 September 2019 16: 51
                  0
                  Quote: BlackMokona
                  Generally deduced if we take into account the characteristics of the orbits of the devices

                  Unavailable for regular disposable F9?
                  PR manipulations.
                  And even within the framework of this propaganda opinion (where it is compared with f9 with the landing of the first stage) we are talking about a few percent.
                  1. Blackmokona
                    Blackmokona 29 September 2019 18: 57
                    0
                    Yes, unavailable for a one-time F9, not to mention the landing of three boosters
            2. sabakina
              sabakina 29 September 2019 15: 55
              -3
              Quote: BlackMokona
              In general, three times already flew, and new launches are preparing

              Excuse me, are you a spy? Whose?
  10. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 29 September 2019 13: 36
    0
    Quote: zxc15682
    And if it flies ... Then we will watch how Musk will send hundreds of Americans to the moon .. They will have "The era of the exploration of the wild moon".

    And there they will be each other. The last survivor will become a FSA Hero. This is a dead project, alas.
    1. Hog
      Hog 29 September 2019 14: 02
      0
      Brilliant, Darwin Prize here.
      Film "The Martian" look the principle is the same.
      1. Dali
        Dali 30 September 2019 10: 57
        0
        Quote: Hog
        Brilliant, Darwin Prize here.
        Film "The Martian" look the principle is the same.

        Now multiply that by at least 300 ... what scale should the colony be compared to the "Martian" ...

        Science is still plowing and plowing, so that space becomes accessible by Elon Mask)))
  11. Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 29 September 2019 13: 38
    -1
    Shines like a cat's eggs lol
  12. knn54
    knn54 29 September 2019 13: 43
    +3
    Again, not a word about protecting people from radiation.
    1. novel66
      novel66 29 September 2019 13: 50
      +4
      it’s too early, you must first get involved
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 September 2019 15: 54
      -1
      Protection is the same stainless steel, special materials such as borelit paper.
    3. Mrstron
      Mrstron 29 September 2019 23: 01
      0
      Electrostatic field and magnetic generator.
      1. Dali
        Dali 30 September 2019 11: 00
        0
        Quote: MrStron
        Electrostatic field and magnetic generator.

        Now describe how you imagine it?


        shl
        Or do you think that science has invented new physical principles of communication ... by the way, why not tell me? )))
  13. stalki
    stalki 29 September 2019 13: 45
    +1
    Let's live and see, this is an archaeological and complex project. No one knows how much they actually swelled there. Specifics while zero. The idea is bold or stupid. As you like. To reason from scratch - to crush water in a mortar.
  14. zxc15682
    zxc15682 29 September 2019 13: 45
    0
    Just right now, it dawned on me that this thing is a payload for a rocket. It's not a rocket. It is like a capsule of the Union.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 29 September 2019 13: 57
      +4
      Not really. This is also a rocket with 3 naturally aspirated engines. And it can fly into orbit. And take the load. And she will fly first to 20km, and then to 100km +.

      But, if you need to load it well, then the output stage is reusable, separately. Plus he showed a space tanker with refueling in space. However, this is the easiest element to implement. For the dockings are worked out. The choice of LNG fuel is perfectly suited for overflows in space.
      1. Lontus
        Lontus 29 September 2019 16: 47
        +2
        Quote: donavi49
        This is also a rocket with 3 atmospheric engines. And it can fly into orbit. And still take the load.

        Starship cannot independently fly into orbit.
        And even more so with the load.
        As Musk himself wrote, the theory can theoretically (that is, you can’t verify this) can fly into orbit under the conditions:
        - lack of PN (hello to the phrase "and take the load")
        - no refund (hi ​​reusability)
        - without thermal protection, fins and other structural elements (which is what distinguishes Starship from traditional LV)

        That is, according to Musk, SOMETHING completely different from Starship can take off into orbit (purely theoretically) - the only thing in common with this, which does not output anything other than his own dear, “orbital (purely theoretical) will be the type of engines and approximate dimensions.
        --
        This is the same Masko propagandist who wrote that in 2018 with a 100% (!!!) probability there will be a manned orbital flight of Crew Dragon.

        Accordingly, know how it relates to all its forecasts and opinions.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 29 September 2019 17: 33
          -2
          Well, that's how we have been digging Helium3 for ten years on the Moon. In general, the 1 year of lag is considered a success.
          CrewDragon's problems are mainly due to NASA's reluctance to push one horse forward. Boeing is lagging and therefore Dragon also slowed down on certification. Plus state of emergency. However, in November, abortflight test. The manned herringbone flight is still in the plans.

          But the point is different. 9ka, in principle, like the others. This is not like the others. It will either become the flagship in the industry - and everyone will do the same. Or it will fail epicly and then others (mainly the Chinese and if Rogozin works well and rolls out competitively priced carriers) will have the opportunity to tarnish 9 - which now receives much less resources + all the main development went to Starship and Raptor.
  15. K-50
    K-50 29 September 2019 13: 48
    +3
    Something, damn it, some kind of props! belay
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 September 2019 15: 56
      -3
      The usual test bench Mk 1 - the real manned one will be the Mk5 - it will fly no earlier than 2024.
  16. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 29 September 2019 13: 50
    -6
    Musk ?! A successful combination of entrepreneurship, management, non-standard advertising and the implementation of ideas and solutions, from which, seemingly "staking out" a space niche for centuries, giant corporations and government agencies were dismissed as annoying flies.
  17. Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 29 September 2019 13: 52
    +3
    Martian Indians, beware of alcohol, blankets with smallpox, dollars and Jehovah's Witnesses preachers !!!
  18. Azazelo
    Azazelo 29 September 2019 13: 52
    -2
    Well, with a good engine, the fence will fly away, but from all these promises the mask is already sick. If only he had done something worthwhile, or else he would have only loud announcements and burning Tesla on the Ring Road. Indeed, in fact, the citizen didn’t do anything useful for people at all, just a chatter.
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 29 September 2019 14: 18
      +3
      First place in commercial launches into orbit.
      First place in sales of electric cars in the world.
      1. Dali
        Dali 30 September 2019 11: 04
        0
        Quote: BlackMokona
        First place in sales of electric cars in the world.

        Statistics in the studio, and preferably not only on "autotesla".

        Quote: BlackMokona

        First place in commercial launches into orbit.

        And here is the statistics for the studio, only in more detail - since not everything is so simple.
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        2. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 30 September 2019 13: 34
          +1
          All you need in two pictures

  19. loki565
    loki565 29 September 2019 13: 53
    +2
    Why does he need such a large plumage?
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 29 September 2019 15: 59
      +3
      Quote: loki565
      Why does he need such a large plumage?

      Only Musk knows that!
    2. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 29 September 2019 16: 40
      -3
      Are you talking about Wings from below? So to save fuel when landing on Earth
  20. HAM
    HAM 29 September 2019 13: 56
    -1
    Well, patsaki already flew on Hopper ... even there is a film ...
  21. Shahno
    Shahno 29 September 2019 14: 03
    +5
    In general, I spoke closely with specialists from the Johnson center over the 5 years, but that was 15 years ago. And now a little when there was a joint on SpaceIL.
    I can tell my colleagues here, in vain you do not underestimate them. It would have been no need to cry later.
    You need to roll up your sleeves and work, and not be measured against virtual achievements here. In general, I think "Wednesday" Mask has reached 80% readiness. Want to wait for the remaining 20?
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 29 September 2019 14: 10
      0
      Well, in general:
      - the presentation was weak.
      - nothing new was indicated, well, unless the deadlines, but in principle they were vanged quite accurately (jumped to NG and into orbit in the middle of the next). Now this is a bounce of 1-2 months and 6 months at 100km +.

      The device itself is too unlike other solutions. Therefore, one can either expect something or is skeptical. However, at least the first flight with a return will judge everything. If they decompose, it means they were mistaken. If not, it means the decisions were correct and other companies and countries (wang copiers in China have already strained copy machines) will do the same.

      There is nothing to discuss in fact, for the presentation was weak and nothing particularly new was said. Only a flight to orbit and a full cycle will judge everything (well, 100km + jump, in principle, will set the trend).
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 29 September 2019 14: 25
        +2
        Already half way, there will be well-fried carcasses inside!
        The problem of cosmic radiation has not been solved, so Schaub balance the effectiveness, reasonableness, weight, at acceptable levels to observe.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 29 September 2019 15: 59
          0
          Solved on the same satellites, observatories and telescopes - that travel for decades on our solar system.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 29 September 2019 16: 25
            0
            Quote: Vadim237
            Solved on the same satellites, observatories and telescopes - that travel for decades on our solar system.

            Is it true ???
            And on those satellites, telescopes, etc., at least one biological, living object is ???
            However, I clarify, the problem of a manned flight !!! Is it clear now.
            Drones do not make sense to discuss. They fly for a long time, so technical, non-living devices are protected, which is necessary, normally.
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          1. rocket757
            rocket757 29 September 2019 18: 36
            +1
            Quote: Topgun
            overlay residential compartments with fuel tanks and supplies

            Seriously? Ha, ha, there is nothing further to discuss! "COMPETENCE" is not even at the level of normal Soviet education ...
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 29 September 2019 21: 24
              -1
              These materials were created back in the 60s.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 29 September 2019 21: 56
                0
                There are, of course, materials that CONSTRAINTS the radiation, the trouble is that they ACCUMULATE the radiation and then they shine like wow! It turns out that after some time they have to get rid of them ...... and where to get the next set of protection ?? On the spaceship there is nothing superfluous.
                The WEIGHT problem with available methods has not yet been resolved.
                The population of the Earth, a space station in low Earth orbit, protects the MAGNETIC FIELD of the Earth! The flight to the Moon was short, partially covered by the Earth, the Moon ..... a long flight in open space, with a living crew, is NOT yet possible. It will be either unbearably expensive or a flight of suicide bombers!
                The problem will be solved, but not straight tomorrow.
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 30 September 2019 00: 11
                  0
                  And tomorrow no one will fly to Mars.
                  1. Dali
                    Dali 30 September 2019 11: 09
                    0
                    Quote: Vadim237

                    And tomorrow no one will fly to Mars.

                    Why are you immediately backtracking ?! laughing laughing laughing
                    1. Vadim237
                      Vadim237 30 September 2019 11: 55
                      0
                      If they fly, then only after dozens of experimental and test flights of the ship’s landings on the route Earth - Mars, but it will all be after the 2030th.
            2. Dali
              Dali 30 September 2019 11: 13
              0
              Quote: rocket757
              Seriously? Ha, ha, there is nothing further to discuss! "COMPETENCE" is not even at the level of normal Soviet education ...

              Do not be surprised, not so long ago entot gr. He preached that nuclear war is not at all scary, like 10% will die, and the rest will survive and five will be almost chocolate in a couple of decades, like you can see how Chernobyl is good ...
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 30 September 2019 11: 27
                0
                Quote: Dali
                Like, you see how Chernobyl is well ...

                It is clear that education is lower ... Soviet classical, maybe a humanist, then okay.
                Why climb into the discussion where "not in the tooth with a foot."
                However, they want to be in trend, at least somehow, at least somewhere ....
                Most of all I was pinned by a proposal to fence off / protect itself from radiation with everything on board, EVEN SUPPLIES !!! Imagine opening a tube with sauce \ puree, OH IT'S LIGHT !!! Even the words to answer this is not found, simple, permitted .... even if the Hollywood movies were watched carefully, even there it was said more than once!
                1. Topgun
                  Topgun 30 September 2019 13: 14
                  +1
                  eh delete comments here
                  once again, it’s obvious to the humanities who (under the supplies immediately a tube of food pops up in his head ...) you are
                  How to protect yourself from radiation:
                  - the structure of the ship: living quarters are furnished with fuel tanks (of which there is an overwhelming majority in the mission !!!). Below them are compartments with equipment, instruments, life support systems, supplies (not a refrigerator in space with tubes, is that so clear?), etc. (matryoshka) PS: people are not in the know that even on unions !!!! so they use "supplies" - additional protection of astronauts !!!!, but humanitarians create ships, do not ask the opinions of respected members of the forum ...
                  - when flying, the ship engines are turned to the sun
                  - the radiation problem is often interpreted by couch analysts who do not understand what it happens (and it is suddenly different), do not understand about doses, etc. etc.
                  PS: I see here very much worried about the health of NASA astronauts :)))) surprisingly ...
              2. Topgun
                Topgun 30 September 2019 12: 55
                0
                please show such my comment
                otherwise I’ll complain about you (for the first time the forum)
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 30 September 2019 14: 33
                  0
                  About fuel and supplies was, who wrote I will not say, can remote koment? Therefore, by the way, he didn’t indicate who he wrote ..... BUT, he didn’t write about fuel precisely because this supply from the ship is removed / consumed along the way, you can make multi-layer tanks and pump them out of the inner layers, low-irradiated fuel to external and ...... further description is a lot of interesting, sophisticated! The topic is extensive, interesting.
                  By the way, have you seen the spaceship, touched it? Not a model at the exhibition, but a real "combat" one.
                  It’s not me who invented the problems of weight, radiation and the high cost of interplanetary flight ..... as long as no one does this, our debate does not make sense.
                  Such flights will be .... when ??? I don’t know, but then there’s nothing to argue about.
  22. awg75
    awg75 29 September 2019 14: 10
    +2
    more like a divorce
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 September 2019 16: 00
      0
      Divorce of whom - themselves?
  23. rocket757
    rocket757 29 September 2019 14: 20
    +2
    The whole scientific world DOES NOT KNOW how to solve the problem of cosmic radiation, and Ilon Mask found / invented a method ???
    Well, well, let's see.
    1. Mrstron
      Mrstron 29 September 2019 23: 04
      +1
      Why did you decide that if you do not know, then everyone does not know, are you a leading specialist in protection against cosmic radiation?
  24. Prisoner
    Prisoner 29 September 2019 14: 21
    0
    According to the style of execution laughing
    resembles a "tank" Azov.
  25. GELEZNII_KAPUT
    GELEZNII_KAPUT 29 September 2019 14: 37
    +1
    Give, give me a jigsaw, plywood and foil, I will give you as much as you like! bully
  26. Operator
    Operator 29 September 2019 14: 41
    -7
    Starship is a reusable spacecraft such as the Space Shuttle or Burana. The launch vehicle is Falcon Heavy.

    The difference between Starship and well-known reusable spacecraft is landing by rocket, and not by the planning method. Therefore, the Starship case during landing does not warm up to the temperature of the loss of strength of the metal alloy.

    Due to the possibility of a rocket landing, Starship can also be used for landing on the moon and Mars. In this case, the launch and launch rocket engines will perform an acceleration-brake function for gaining and slowing down the speed on the flight path to the satellite and the planet. Tanks with additional fuel will be launched into space by other launch vehicles and docked to Starship in low Earth orbit.

    In general, Elon Musk's project can be assessed as realistic with the cost of delivering a payload to the Moon and Mars cheaper than traditional rocket and space systems developed by NASA, ESA and Roskosmos.

    In order to regain its position in terms of the cost of launching into space and delivering a payload to the target, Roskosmos does not need to bother with classical solutions such as the Angara (which has no prospects), but to develop an innovative solution alternative to Falcon and Starship. It is clear that journalist Rogozin will not pull it.
    1. Shahno
      Shahno 29 September 2019 14: 45
      -1
      // It is clear that journalist Rogozin will not pull it //
      You have no specialists left.
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  28. GELEZNII_KAPUT
    GELEZNII_KAPUT 29 September 2019 14: 44
    +9
    Pepelats looks more interesting!
  29. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 29 September 2019 14: 46
    +3
    This is not a rocket, but a big one))
  30. TAMBU
    TAMBU 29 September 2019 14: 52
    -1
    I hope Chuyka let me down, but she tells me that all this will end badly ...
  31. Shahno
    Shahno 29 September 2019 15: 02
    0
    Quote: vadim dok
    Korolev worked with 60 materials and science a year ago, without the computers and technologies of today!

    Yeah. And Russia didn’t deter his students.
    So, and now they will bring Soifer and Shakhmatov to me.
    So this one with the letter S. always envied.
  32. Old26
    Old26 29 September 2019 15: 06
    +4
    The photo of "Starship" at the test site resembles drawings from "Tekhnika-Youth" of the early-mid 50s with the then vision of the appearance of space rockets

    Quote: neri73-r
    Judging by the appearance, this product will not fly. what

    We will see. It’s not so long to wait. Only half a year

    Quote: Kontrik
    Launches all garbage into space, but to no one’s point.
    Think men and analyze the Old .. To whom and for what it is needed!

    Yes, you always need to think and analyze. But here you, Vitalik, do not succeed. You pereklinitsya on propaganda and you are no longer distracted by anything else.
    Of course there is no sense from the launches of the Mask. Bullshit, that the world's first space power is now launching as much as one Mask. In 2017, Russia made 20 launches, and Mask is only 18. Only he is alone. In 2018 we are 20, Mask 21
    For the remainder of this and the next two years, this worthless Musk plans to launch a total of 77 carriers ...
    1. Lontus
      Lontus 29 September 2019 16: 04
      +2
      Quote: Old26
      It’s not so long to wait. Only half a year

      What are another six months?
      We still cannot wait for the Dragon manned flight scheduled for 2016.
      Although the local mask propagandists, after the failure of all terms wrote, with the characteristic Komsomol enthusiasm: 100% probability (!!!!) that the manned flight of the Dragon will happen in 2018.
      In 2020, there will be no reusable Starship orbital flight. This is 99,99% at least.
      The maximum will be a PR leap - although for illiterate inhabitants this is enough for enthusiastic tossing up bonnets.

      Let me remind you - Korolev already in 1951 (!!!) threw up with a successful return alive 2 dogs to a height of more than 100 km.
    2. slipped
      slipped 29 September 2019 20: 07
      0
      Quote: Old26
      Of course there is no sense from the launches of the Mask. Bullshit, that the world's first space power is now launching as much as one Mask. In 2017, Russia made 20 launches, and Mask is only 18. Only he is alone. In 2018 we are 20, Mask 21


      In total, Russia launched 2019 ILV launches in 18. Until the end of the year, another three months and more than 10 launches.
    3. Dali
      Dali 30 September 2019 11: 20
      0
      Quote: Old26
      Of course there is no sense from the launches of the Mask. Bullshit, that the world's first space power is now launching as much as one Mask. In 2017, Russia made 20 launches, and Mask is only 18. Only he is alone. In 2018 we are 20, Mask 21

      And how many total omega launches did ?! belay

      Quote: Old26
      For the remainder of this and the next two years, this worthless Musk plans to launch a total of 77 carriers ...

      Plans or launched ?! belay
      And how much omega? belay
      And how many plans does Russia probably have already reported to you ?! belay lol
  33. Kontrik
    Kontrik 29 September 2019 15: 23
    -1
    Mask again will close his personal toilet in the direction of the moon .. AND EVERYTHING!
    It’s just PR ..
  34. JD1979
    JD1979 29 September 2019 15: 23
    +4
    In! almost the same stood in our park until after the collapse of the USSR they were demolished ... only from tin and tree))). And the construction site is valid))) There is no precipitation and winds, why do we need some kind of protective hangars and additional fastening))) and stationary or mobile scaffolding for work. We drove a cranked one and that's enough))) space technology aha, cleanliness and sterility, white bathrobes .... Right now, two jamshuts from a basket of paint bucket will be poured onto the sides, USA will be painted in Disneyland.
  35. Super
    Super 29 September 2019 15: 26
    -1
    And who else believes this con man Mask? Without our engines only trampolines!
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 September 2019 16: 04
      -1
      Trampolines are mainly ours, how many are there
      - some floodlights and something tells me that most of them will suffer the fate of the rocket carrier Rus M and Clipper.
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 29 September 2019 17: 39
        -2
        Urals - if that’s also methanka. The most forceful topic. Pioneers of Bezos (but he really does not like risk, as his capsule for tourists showed, Musk would already have 2-3 manned flights and maybe 1 commercial did, and Bezos carries all mannequins and sensors) and Musk. At the first, the engine on the stand quietly rumbles and waits for the launch vehicle. The second Hoper and now Starship = flight stands with a fanfare. The Chinese are now actively working, like the first rocket on Methane for the 21 year (well, or it will go away for the + 1 year). Well, the Urals.
        1. slipped
          slipped 29 September 2019 20: 10
          0
          Quote: donavi49
          Well, the Urals.


          There is no such name. And on the rocket are planned RD-169.
      2. Super
        Super 29 September 2019 20: 12
        -2
        Well, not all at once. We are accumulating strength, and then we will jump ahead sharply. Secret developments, you understand, and all that.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 29 September 2019 21: 28
          0
          "We are accumulating strength, and then we will dramatically break forward" Well, by the year 2036. Now, if in Russia, instead of these heavy missiles, a single-stage aerospace aircraft was created, like the Tu 2000 project - then yes, otherwise there is no need to expect any breakthrough in the next 15 years.
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 29 September 2019 21: 30
            -5
            Quote: Vadim237
            Now, if in Russia instead

            Vadim, you are not slavishly aware of what is happening in the Russian Federation in space.

            Repair cars. This is yours, yes.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 30 September 2019 00: 13
              0
              So far, in the space field, we have only a nuclear power generation prospect - nothing more.
  36. Shahno
    Shahno 29 September 2019 15: 27
    -1
    Quote: lexus
    Musk managed to gather a talented team around him. As confirmation of the successful implementation of many "earthly" projects. Investors' confidence once again confirms the promising development and transparency of spending. As a result - quite working results, and not "holes" through which budget funds evaporate. hi

    Yes. I agree.
    Well summed up.
    1. Mihail2019
      Mihail2019 29 September 2019 19: 14
      0
      Sleeping !! Another victim of the exam ...
  37. Super
    Super 29 September 2019 15: 34
    -1
    Until the Americans have managers at the level of D. Rogozin, they will not see any space!
  38. Klingon
    Klingon 29 September 2019 15: 38
    +1
    Quote: neri73-r
    Judging by the appearance, this product will not fly. what

    it’s just going to fly, but * Federation * or what it is now called on paper, it’s unlikely wassat
  39. Klingon
    Klingon 29 September 2019 15: 44
    -2
    Right now the urya-patriots will troll the Mask and shout that this pepelats will not fly, but the Eagle (Federation) will fly soon, but nu-nu, we will look into whose "pockets" it will fly wassat
  40. Shahno
    Shahno 29 September 2019 15: 50
    -1
    Quote: Berkut24
    Judging by the photo, this product is not intended for a flight to the moon, but for raising money from investors who have never studied physics. The body is "brilliant", the wings are bigger, one step is enough to fly in both ends.

    Yes Yes. Will fly. And do not forgive the surname.
  41. Shahno
    Shahno 29 September 2019 15: 52
    -2
    Quote: sabakina
    Well, that is a given. But Korolev sent Gagarin without any computers. And H-1 would fly without computers, if not ............

    They surrendered us again ...
  42. Denimax
    Denimax 29 September 2019 16: 09
    0
    It looks like a frame from a science fiction film of the 50s or 60s.))
  43. Shahno
    Shahno 29 September 2019 16: 17
    -2
    Quote: astepanov
    Quote: Cube123
    But, perhaps, he does not know what was done by the Russians before the USSR. For example, the Tsiolkovsky formula, which speaks of the impossibility of reaching the moon with a single-stage rocket.

    Tsiolkovsky does not say a word about this - as, incidentally, in the article. But the article states that this formula was deduced at least twice before Tsiolkovsky, and by no means in the USSR. And, by the way, the Mask rocket is not one-stage, but two-stage.
    And in general, I do not understand what they ran into Musk? Something grandfather Krylov remembered, the fable "Fox and grapes". Tell us better about the unprecedented successes of Mr. Rogozin's department. In less than half a century, we will build a super-heavy rocket - but it is more likely that this construction is akin to building communism, a kind of religious ceremony in which ritual is more important than the result. At least over the past 20 years, the situation has not changed in anything.
    And Musk - what about Musk? If he steals, then it’s not with us. And not to the extent.

    Why are you doing this . .. Do not. Well, why. You cho
  44. aries2200
    aries2200 29 September 2019 16: 19
    -2
    Well, Katz-pa Ku tochnik !!!! she won’t fly .. the uncle this uncle
    1. Ugolek
      Ugolek 29 September 2019 16: 37
      -1
      Really no one saw the pepelats patsakov? laughing
  45. EXPrompt
    EXPrompt 29 September 2019 17: 43
    -1
    Quote: lexus

    The fact that our "managers" are money-hungry idiots, because they rob at once and a little, and not for a long time and a lot, this is not proof that Musk is a super-duper genius-innovator. It's just that the peculiarity of the US economy is that there always needs a certain "hero-businessman", it's like a "hero-lover" only in business


    Musk masters talent in the technology of the 60s. In this he is a master.
    The Americans have no new principles of interplanetary traffic, all the same Russian Railways.
    And this is a way to a dead end and a very long flight to Mars in a year ++, with all that it implies, an increase in the weight of the ship, grub for the crew, oxygen, etc. etc.
    1. Super
      Super 29 September 2019 17: 50
      -1
      Russian Railways-Russian Railways?
      1. EXPrompt
        EXPrompt 29 September 2019 20: 43
        0
        Liquid Jet Engine
    2. Arturov
      Arturov 30 September 2019 03: 05
      -2
      Quote: EXPrompt
      Musk masters talent in the technology of the 60s. In this he is a master.

      you are bullshit no more, you see a lot of enterprises that still produce these mysterious 60s technologies on which Mask flies ??? Feel the knowledge.
  46. Mihail2019
    Mihail2019 29 September 2019 18: 00
    -1
    Here it looks like a hypertrophied product from the "Young Astronautics Lovers" mug in some Soviet TsDYuT: made of wooden slats, cardboard with tissue paper and foam plastic, painted round with "silver" ..
    Well, I can’t get rid of this feeling - even though you crack !!!
    1. Super
      Super 29 September 2019 18: 18
      -2
      Another scam. Type of shale gas.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 29 September 2019 18: 38
        0
        So far, Roscosmos has a real scam for the development of Russian funds. The fact that SpaceX will make this spaceship and it will fly does not raise doubts at all - they, unlike some, are not just in words, but in fact work and the goals are clear and clear to the entire team of the company.
        1. Super
          Super 29 September 2019 18: 42
          -2
          Well, minus then why should I bet?
        2. Cat man null
          Cat man null 29 September 2019 18: 53
          -4
          Quote: Vadim237
          they, unlike some, do not work in words, but in practice

          Vadik, repair cars ... and the analyst from you is like a ballerina from me request
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 29 September 2019 21: 31
            0
            Opa - Kotyara disagrees with something - dump counter arguments.
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 29 September 2019 21: 55
              -2
              Quote: Vadim237
              counter arguments

              Read this comrade for a start:

              https://topwar.ru/index.php?do=lastcomments&userid=155471

              Keep in mind that he is much more competent than you, at least.

              But I butting you ... but just lazy, Vadim request
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 30 September 2019 00: 15
                0
                "Keep in mind that he is at least an order of magnitude more literate than you." If he will have 14 patents for inventions - then let him be more literate than me, and that is not an order of magnitude.
        3. Mihail2019
          Mihail2019 29 September 2019 19: 00
          +1
          Yeah, and a bunch of "successful" "breakthrough" projects from the Idol of your Mask - like "Tesla", which has been showing a stable financial "minus" for several years now, "Hyperloop" - which you don't understand at all, the power supply systems of country houses, about which they talked a lot, and then somehow everything calmed down ..
          On real exhaust - Falcon, working on the old principles of a multi-stage rocket (also from Tsiolkovsky, Zander, von Braun, Korolev).
          NASA donated a lot of patents and technologies to the Musk office free of charge (that is, gratis) - the result: "Falcon".
          The rest is complete morale for the "iPhone" adherents and the Maskov witnesses.
          1. Mihail2019
            Mihail2019 29 September 2019 19: 06
            0
            And the essence of the transfer of all patents and developments is not for me. I remember that the whole goal is the convenience of "sawing" money, which, in general, is not surprising. But the goal - you can not even doubt - is "mastering" the bubble. But this is not a "civilizational breakthrough forward" - it directly contradicts capitalism and the American way of thinking.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 29 September 2019 21: 50
              +1
              "But not a" civilizational breakthrough forward "- it directly contradicts capitalism and the American way of thinking." No one said that they didn’t want to earn - they do, although in this niche rocketry and astronautics, something more is needed than a craving for profit - NASA does not allocate anything at all for this project, the guys build on their grandmothers and experience while attracting private investors.
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 29 September 2019 21: 43
            0
            It was possible to transfer everything to anyone - but only one office tested and launched a series, the guys really threw the space industry with their reusable steps and reduced the cost of launches, and the guys also have the first serial closed-loop methane rocket engine, as well as the first in world rocket science , returning head fairings and the world's first superheavy rocket - with synchronous testing of 27 engines - which carry out commercial launches, the first in the world reusable interplanetary ship will also be SpaceX - as no one else deals with this topic, including in Russia, it is backwardly unconditional.
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 29 September 2019 21: 49
              -4
              Quote: Vadim237
              methane rocket engine closed loop

              What is it? belay
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 30 September 2019 00: 19
                0
                "The Raptor engine will operate using the most efficient closed loop circuit with full component gasification."
                "Closed-circuit liquid-propellant engine (closed-cycle liquid-propellant engine) is a liquid-propellant rocket engine made according to a scheme with generator gas afterburning. In a closed-circuit rocket engine, one of the components is gasified in a gas generator due to combustion at a relatively low temperature with a small part of the other component, and the resulting hot gas It is used as a working fluid of the turbine of a turbopump unit (TNA). The generator gas triggered by the turbine is then fed into the combustion chamber of the engine, where the remaining part of the unused fuel component is also supplied. The combustion of the components is completed in the combustion chamber with the creation of jet thrust. " So that's it.
        4. Mihail2019
          Mihail2019 29 September 2019 19: 10
          -2
          And our d'effective managers are quite capable students in terms of "drank" .. Another thing is that the process of drank has not yet learned how to furnish such colorful shows and decorations.
          Well, they’re just learning ..
  47. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 29 September 2019 18: 14
    +2
    In our courtyard of a residential building on the playground, a similar Starship Mk1 stood, only smaller, anyone could go in, and it smelled bad, heh yes
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 September 2019 18: 41
      -2
      Judging by what you described, you did not have a Starship there, but a cesspool for local "stars" - homeless people and drunks.
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 29 September 2019 21: 50
        -2
        Starship - cesspool))
        Good name for this "rocket" laughing
        And the crew - Captain Homeless and drunkard))

        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 30 September 2019 00: 23
          0
          And what is it that you are photographing Starship Mk1 hectic - you show a photograph of that - pissed, in the yard near your house.
          1. Lord of the Sith
            Lord of the Sith 30 September 2019 11: 10
            0
            Sorry, there were no smartphones in the 80s, I could not take a picture laughing
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 30 September 2019 11: 58
              0
              In what - saloon rocket for scrap was handed over in the 90s.
    2. Super
      Super 29 September 2019 18: 43
      +1
      Admit it, it smelled bad because of you? You probably naughty? Oh no no no... ;)
  48. vvp2412
    vvp2412 29 September 2019 18: 39
    0
    Who will not tell?
    Why rocket top rudders? Prior to this, it seems that all missiles do without them !? :))))
    And in space you don’t really steer them !? :)))
    1. Corn
      Corn 29 September 2019 19: 55
      -1
      Prior to this, the rockets did not return from space to earth.
      But the descent shuttles and the snowstorm had developed aerodynamic planes.
  49. Super
    Super 29 September 2019 18: 49
    -3
    Until a way has been found to overcome cosmic radiation, there can be no talk about any flights.
  50. Viktor 7007
    Viktor 7007 29 September 2019 19: 11
    0
    inappropriately fly to Mars put the flag and home.
    1. Super
      Super 29 September 2019 19: 21
      -1
      Yes, in Hollywood they’ll take off again.