Foreign counts its salaries and Russian oligarchs

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Project "ZZ". The most respected professions in the West. The highest paid. In the present and future, from 2019 to 2028. And what about Russia? The foreign press is silent about the prestigious professions in this country. However, journalists still talk about one profession.





Who in the West is paid a lot


As tells USA Today, Americans of working age have a different attitude to their careers. Some are looking for an occupation that promotes the application of their natural abilities and talents, others “follow their passions,” that is, they seek positions that emphasize their importance.

The average wage for all jobs in the United States is 46.072 dollars per year. But there are many professions where the employee income significantly exceeds this average.

The top 25 of the highest paid jobs in America includes those professions where the level of specialization is high, be it technical experience working with complex machines, years of study at a medical or law school or important experience in managing personnel and ensuring the interests of company investors.

The lowest places in the list of 25 high-paying jobs in America are occupied by industrial engineers (average annual income for the 2018 year amounted to 77.948 dollars, mechanical engineers (average annual income 81.224 dollars), as well as marketing and sales managers (81.484 dollars).

The salaries of ordinary programmers (82.732 dollars per year), judges and other members of the judiciary (83.304 dollars), information security analysts (85.020 dollars) and veterinarians (87.204 dollars) are slightly better off.

Pilots and flight engineers (90.636 dollars), medical assistants (91.104 dollars), aerospace engineers (92.976 dollars), software developers, application developers and software systems (96.928 dollars) and computer and information system managers (97.604 dollars) earn more. )



Next come dentists with an average annual income of 97.968 dollars, nurses (98.488 dollars), lawyers (101.244 dollars), doctors and surgeons (104.052 dollars), pharmacists (107.692 dollars) and some. etc., as well as managers (1 place in the top, 119.132 dollars).

Other information about the highest paid jobs last year CBS Newsciting a study of Glassdoor's employment site.

The report noted that Americans seeking high-paying jobs might want to focus on just two sectors: healthcare and technology. Why? Because 18 of 25 the highest paid jobs are offered by these sectors. At the same time, work in the healthcare sector will most likely remain “resistant to automation”: in addition to technical knowledge, it requires a combination of “soft” skills, for example, empathy and the ability to judge.

In the top 25 of the highest paid jobs from the Glassdoor survey, the doctor's profession with the average annual base salary of 195.842 $ came first. The doctor assistants (108.761 $) and nurse practitioners (106.962 $) receive much less. At the bottom of the list: a consultant manager (97.154 $), an attorney (96.678 $), a cloud engineer (96.449 $), a tax manager (96.175 $) and a data specialist (96.116 $).

In addition to professions that serve as a source of income, in developed countries, professions that enjoy traditional respect in society are distinguished.

Who is respected in the West


Top 10 of the most respected professions cited in the pages of the publication ValueWalk Vikas Shukla.

The global charitable organization Varkey Foundation and the University of Sussex (UK) recently conducted a survey to determine "the most respected jobs." The survey was conducted in 35 countries. In total, fourteen professions were identified, four of them were not included in the top.

“Least respect” (14 place) was given to librarians: average score 4,6 from 14. Slightly higher places were occupied by: social workers (5,8 points), web designers (5,9) and elementary school teachers (6,4).

What professions are in the top ten?

10 place: high school teacher. A worldwide shortage of qualified teachers is growing, the researchers noted. It is also noted that in the United States and other developed countries, highly qualified specialists are less likely to see a career in such teaching. In addition, the Foundation calculated that teachers are highly respected in China, Malaysia, and Taiwan, but not in Western countries.

9 place: management consultant. This is the one who helps large and small enterprises improve their work.

8 place: local government manager. Local government leaders work in education, planning, social work, and housing.

7 place: accountant. This profession is usually well paid and is highly respected throughout the world.

6 place: nurse. The work of a nurse is not as well paid as the work of accountants or management consultants. And patient care is considered a profession of "low status." But when it comes to respect, nurses rise high: they inspire more respect in people than accountants and management consultants.

5 place: cop. This profession is characterized by both prestige and low pay.

4 place: class teacher. He is much more respected than ordinary teachers in primary and secondary schools.



3 place: engineer. Engineers are changing life itself: the way we live, travel and communicate. They transformed almost every element of our lives with the help of mathematics and physics.

2 place: lawyer. Jurisprudence is one of the most respected professions in the world.

1 place: doctor. Undoubtedly the most respected profession in the world. And the salaries of doctors are also one of the highest.

“I wonder if these professions will enjoy the same respect when Robots start replacing people? — asks the author of the material.

Well, they are already trying to answer this question.

After ten years



The list of "most promising" professions in 2028 was brought by the site HRD (Human Resources Director).

Increased automation can “cast a shadow” on the future of workers employed in labor-intensive sectors (manufacturing).



However, the number of mental workers, especially in management, will only grow. This is confirmed by the Wall Street Journal.

Steady employment growth by the 2028 year will be noted in professions related to human resource management (35 place out of 800 career places).

Researchers compiled the top 10 professions of the 2028 of the year. The first three “most promising careers” will require managerial experience: general and operational managers (more than 165 thousand jobs in the USA), financial manager (about 105 thousand jobs), other managers (68,5 thousand).

The remaining seven professions will require high-tech and specialized knowledge, as well as many years of training and experience: application software developer (241,5 thousand places), lawyer (50 thousand), computer and information systems manager (approx. 47 thousand), sales manager (20,6 thousand), management analyst (more than 118 thousand), system designer (42,6 thousand), manager in the field of healthcare and medical services (71,6 thousand).



And what about Russia?



The foreign press is silent about prestigious professions in Russia and their prospects. However, journalists still talk about one profession.

Last year, the US Treasury released a list of 114 Russian politicians and businessmen, as well as 96 people who are considered oligarchs. The list was compiled in response to "Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election of the year," reports Business Insider. Based on this list of the US Department of the Treasury and Forbes magazine data, Business Insider compiled its list - the 25 list of the richest Russian oligarchs close to Putin.

The list includes, for example, the CEO of the Ural Mining and Metallurgical Company, Andrei Kozitsyn, with a fortune of 4,8 billion dollars (this is the poorest representative of the so-called oligarchy close to Putin).

A little richer Peter Aven (5,3 billion dollars). He heads the Alfa Bank.

About the same amount has Alexander Abramov - 5,4 billion dollars. He presides over the board of directors of Evraz Group, and is also a member of the Bureau of the Council of Entrepreneurs under the Government of the Russian Federation.

In eighteenth place is Oleg Deripaska (6,9 billion dollars), chairman of the supervisory board and the sole beneficial owner of Basic Element. President of Rusal, President of En + Group (until 2017 year).

The fourteenth place is occupied by Dmitry Rybolovlev with 7,4 billion dollars. In 2010, Rybolovlev sold his stake in Uralkali for 6,5 billion dollars and then acquired Mr. Trump’s former mansion in Palm Beach's Maison de L'Amitie, as well as the AS Monaco football club, the newspaper said.

Victor Rashnikov's 12 place (9,8 billion dollars). Rashnikov is the majority owner of the Magnitogorsk Iron and Steel Works.

Opens the top ten oligarchs Roman Abramovich with 11,2 billion dollars. This person is the majority owner of Chelsea Football Club and the second largest yacht in the world, which he bought for 400 million dollars in 2010 year. (By the way, according to the latest version of Forbes, which leads Wikipedia, Abramovich already has 12,4 billion dollars)

The list of those listed from 9 to 1 places: Gennady Timchenko (15,7 billion dollars), Mikhail Fridman (15,7 billion), Alisher Usmanov (16 billion), Vagit Alekperov (16,4 billion), Andrey Melnichenko ( 16,4 billion), Vladimir Potanin (16,5 billion), Leonid Mikhelson (18,1 billion), Vladimir Lisin (19 billion) and Alexey Mordashov (19,6 billion).

Is the "profession" of the oligarch respected in the country? The Americans do not write anything about this; reasonable and we will shy away from answering this question.

As for the oligarchic incomes, American software developers, doctors, lawyers, and even more so classroom leaders have never dreamed of such. These values ​​are not comparable, therefore, in the USA it is time to develop another top - top profession of billionaires, as well as calculate the amount of public respect for those who stuffed chests with gold. It would be interesting.

What awaits Russia in the 2028 year? One thing is clear: oligarchs will not be replaced by robots.

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  1. +4
    30 September 2019 04: 35
    oligarchs are not replaced by robots.
    The stump is clear! Robots do not need money!
    1. +27
      30 September 2019 11: 46
      Uh-huh. Why "money", the main thing is "stability" and so that "there is no war", and so that "the liberals do not pass," right? Gee-gee. As one old Russian friend told me, when I found out how much "there" his colleagues earn in their specialty and with the same level of professionalism: "But it went ... to a common hair dryer, they did not live richly and do not need ... pour .... ". wink But seriously ... The level of salaries depends primarily on those priorities that guide the managerial links of the state. If the priorities are in the part of the country's economic development — the creation and strengthening of its economic power, the development of its regions, etc. then all the interests of the state are concentrated in the production and management spheres on which success depends, respectively, the state is interested in maintaining an appropriate level of salaries in production and management. If the state is in constant fear of “being left without money” and preventing “inflation”, then all its interests are concentrated precisely in the financial sphere — filling all sorts of “money boxes”, “nest egg”, “inflation targeting” (even a word something vile, don’t you find it?), the withdrawal of "excess" and indeed all kinds of money from the domestic market to avoid "inflation", the development of the economy only by the arrival of "external money" - "external investments", for attracting which it is necessary to maintain a minimum the level of salaries, turning out the pockets of citizens, again, so that they do not have money that supposedly can be thrown into the domestic market and “disperse“ inflation ”, etc. In this case, the state is interested in maintaining the lowest possible level of salaries the vast majority of the population and the export of capital — less money in the domestic market — less “inflation”. If the state puts at the head of some “political life’s divorced” interests and Wishlist of a certain group of people who have made it into power, then it is guided in general, it’s not clear why there will be huge, un motivated expenses for all kinds of “celebrations”, “Games”, “olympiads”, “summits”, etc., forgiveness of debts to foreign states for the sake of “good neighborly relations” and some mythical “future preferences”, concessions to other states of their territories and economic zones, again, for the sake of “solving old disputes ”, billions of dollars in loans without any guarantees and prospects for their repayment, unprofitable multi-billion dollar“ international projects ”,“ muscle building ”for“ weight gaining ”(“ you didn’t want to listen to us then, maybe listen now ... ”) and so on. With such interests, the state, in general, spit on production and salaries; all its interests are concentrated there, and it spends money there and to someone who can provide all these “Wishlist”. And the rest, the internal population, in this case only interferes, distracts its existence from such "important matters" and should cost the state as "cheaper" as possible. Russia is governed by just such a group of people who have made it into power who put their “Wishlist” in the priority of their actions, and being guided in domestic politics only by financial interests. In this situation, there are no such high salaries in Russia, even to dream, they (salaries) will always be at a minimum level.
      1. 0
        2 October 2019 07: 08
        You are talking about a not too good state, What's the differencebut with 90’s and I’m not a state, but a country captured by bandit groups.
        And the country's development and the welfare of the working people are not of interest to them.
        And so everything is right with you, I agree in everything. Only my thoughts are even darker - with these the country and we generally have no future.
    2. +5
      30 September 2019 12: 48
      oligarchs are not replaced by robots

      Andrei Kozitsyn with a fortune of 4,8 billion dollars (this is the most poor representative of the so-called oligarchy close to Putin) ...

      So who will plant them - they are "monuments"! (FROM)
      Also "poor". good good good
  2. +34
    30 September 2019 05: 02
    What awaits Russia in 2028?

    While maintaining the current political and economic system, as well as maintaining the current level of status and respect for working specialties (teachers, doctors, scientific workers also relate to them) - nothing good. The shortage of specialists in such professions will increase, and the level of professional skills will continue to fall. In the absence of indexation of salaries and pensions and the rapid increase in prices and tariffs, the standard of living of the population will decrease and the debt load of citizens will increase even more. The outflow of the population from the Far East and Siberia to the European part of Russia will increase, and the rates of immigration of young people and specialists over the hill will increase in parallel.
    It’s ridiculous to talk about salaries at the US level among specialists of any category in Russia. Salaries in engineering specializations in neighboring China have also overtaken Russian ones.
    1. +28
      30 September 2019 05: 14
      and respect for workers' specialties (teachers, doctors, workers in the scientific environment, also apply to them) - nothing good.

      Such is the policy of the current government ... see who is mainly shown in numerous TV shows and films in the media space ... prosecutors, tracers, governesses, businessmen and bandits of different ranks and stripes, sorcerers, prophets, etc. etc.
      And somewhere in this audience, simple locksmiths, plumbers, cleaners, turners, engineers ... are not there in modern cinema ... that is, the working class is completely absent ... well, except maybe the car mechanics from the service station flash a couple of times in a gangster pursuit. ..where is our famous Gosha, aka Goga, aka Yura, aka Zhora from the movie Moscow does not believe in tears.
      Here is a section of our society in a modern zomboyaschik
      1. +17
        30 September 2019 05: 26
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        .see who is mainly shown in numerous series and films in the media space ... prosecutors, prosecutors

        Yeah, as I watched, the bandits took the hostage’s family as a hostage, so his mansions showed that you won’t go around on a crooked mare.
        1. +21
          30 September 2019 06: 49
          And I - as if not on business.
          Yesterday I read somewhere and did not believe my eyes. Do you know how many roads the ancient Romans built?
          400 thousand kilometers!
          Yes, not all of them were paved with stone, but they strictly met the carefully developed building standard - Appieva is still intact, she is 2000 years old. Moreover, laws obligated provincial leaders to build roads at their own expense, as much as possible. At least one, but build. Who wanted to be elected to any position, built. There was no way without it. The network of Roman roads covered western Europe and became one of the factors in favor of the future statehood of the territories. But the Romans did not build roads in the territory of future Germany, they didn’t go there much - there the swamps were on the way. And the statehood of Germany was formed later than all, fragmentation was there until the 19th century ...
          How many kilometers of highways in Russia?
          1 million 529, 4 thousand km - 4 times more than the ancient Romans built. Well, and what is the territory. What about the quality?
          You can also compare who is building our roads. Due to the roads and other things, we are building ourselves. At public expense. To myself. We have a very common profession - an optimizer of any budget funds. Including funds for national projects. International ratings are mentioned only in the context of the Criminal Code.
          1. +11
            30 September 2019 07: 14
            Quote: depressant
            Roads built by the ancient Romans?
            400 thousand kilometers!

            Road posts A. Macedonian and in Afghanistan are available. hi
          2. -5
            30 September 2019 08: 05
            Quote: depressant
            You can also compare who is building our roads.

            Here Catherine’s tract is still in demand:



            Regarding salaries. The number of multi-colored candy wrappers in the wallets of citizens does not indicate their well-being. In perestroika, our salary was a million, but only bread was worth 6 thousand ...
          3. +5
            30 September 2019 08: 24
            Quote: depressant
            Yesterday I read somewhere and did not believe my eyes. Do you know how many roads the ancient Romans built?
            400 thousand kilometers!

            without a network, you won’t be able to control the territory expensively.
            The Romans developed construction technologies even in swamps and in the mountains and through the mountains
            add bridges.
            without logistics, the empire of RIMA would have been impossible and collapsed quickly.
            about embezzlement-stolen in Rome too ..
            But built on conscience. For millennia.
            I’ll add that in the days of tsarism when they stole fiercely and godlessly built many roads (from cobblestone (and railway) which are still better than modern
            and Soviet asphalt? Still better than modern
            but if you invite the Turks or Germans - for some reason they build roads in good faith!
            1. +11
              30 September 2019 10: 00
              Quote: Antares
              but if you invite the Turks or Germans - for some reason they build roads in good faith!

              Armenians build roads in our area ... every year laughing
            2. 0
              30 September 2019 10: 34
              And exactly the Romans built, not slaves for water?
              1. +6
                30 September 2019 13: 17
                Legionnaires, in order to occupy a mass of healthy men, built roads in the intervals between wars, the war was like a rest for them, after the construction of roads ...
          4. +8
            30 September 2019 08: 37
            Do you know how many roads the ancient Romans built?


            Until now, in the Rhodope Mountains, in Bulgaria, you can see asphalt, with a Roman road as a foundation. Stands and disappears. This is about 2 000 years. And the highways after the first year are no longer suitable ....
      2. +12
        30 September 2019 07: 55
        Quote: The same Lech
        and respect for workers' specialties (teachers, doctors, workers in the scientific environment, also apply to them) - nothing good.

        Such is the policy of the current government ... look who they mostly show ..... a cut of our society in a modern zomboyaschik
        You can still ask ---- as shown? And not in the best way often ....
        In Soviet times, there were songs about different working specialties. So respect for these people was declared. And now ----- from above no professions are respected. (Except for yourself)
        It is worth remembering that the Russian people never respected the master. There is no such tradition.
        And new bars --- will not be. Their wealth is somehow connected with the privatization
    2. +21
      30 September 2019 07: 35
      Quote: Greenwood
      Salaries in engineering specializations in neighboring China have also overtaken Russian ones.

      On Saturday, I watched a program on news 24, I rarely watch TV, but stopped flipping through the channels .. the program was about China .. we interviewed our Buryats, who did business there .. That’s ZP of the Chinese who sew SHOES - 120 tons of rubles per month.. I generally am silent about engineers .. We have one of the poorest countries in terms of income and one of the most in terms of oligarchs ..
      1. +6
        30 September 2019 09: 33
        I recalled that, in addition to the 8-hour working day, Medvedev canceled some normative acts (?????) and holidays (????) Maybe just professional ones? I didn’t read in more detail, but I need to .....
        1. 0
          2 October 2019 07: 15
          They are professional, professional, but also scum excellent.
          1. +1
            2 October 2019 08: 19
            Quote: NordUral
            They are professional, professional, but also scum excellent.
            I mean professional holidays. Indeed, in the Soviet calendar there were many of them ... Yeah, I readin addition to GOSTs, according to which quality products were produced, a whole series of professional holidays established by Soviet regulations are canceled. RAILWAY DAY, RADIO DAY, AIRFORCE DAY.That's what! We must then read more ..... A RAILWAY DAY than interestingly prevented? As for RADIO and AIRFLEET ---- he probably somehow did not understand if the destruction .------ why now mention them? What, now and optimize the railway workers?
            1. 0
              2 October 2019 08: 42
              It’s clear, but I’m talking about something else.
      2. +9
        30 September 2019 13: 30
        Russia is the only country claiming the title of "civilized" where there are working beggars.
    3. +3
      30 September 2019 13: 48
      Salaries in engineering specialties in neighboring China have also overtaken Russian

      This is despite the fact that China is the last country to mass-produce steam locomotives. Until 1999 !!!!!
      https://www.yaplakal.com/forum2/topic1352618.html
  3. -14
    30 September 2019 05: 50
    What does the comparison of oligarchs and professional hired workers have to do with it? And I also listen carefully about the salary of, for example, the convicted, and convicted civil servant Mask. If he is paid from the budget - who is he? You can also listen about the development of medicine in the USA - the most respected profession, yes ... And about the hell already existing there, it knows how many years the pharmaceutical lobby has been addicted to drugs all over the country for a long time. And about their earnings.
    1. +15
      30 September 2019 06: 52
      Is the "profession" of the oligarch respected in the country?

      Highly. If we take the smallest of our citizens, then they are what they dream of becoming. This was told to me by my son, a schoolboy. Many want to be deputies and oligarchs to cut loot and do nothing at the same time. Fortunately, you don’t have to go far for examples, but just look at the top.

      These are modern trends and priorities. True, young people are not aware that the warm places at the trough are all distributed according to one’s own, and it’s not worth even dreaming of others.
    2. 0
      30 September 2019 07: 25
      medicine in the usa
      I do not like standard phrases, but if you want to talk about America, go there. There probably no one talks about Russia.
      1. +19
        30 September 2019 07: 42
        Quote: Gardamir
        I guess no one is talking about Russia.

        Not likely .. they don't talk about Russia for sure .. well, maybe only emigrants, the Americans are "carried away" only with themselves .. Russia is not too much for them .. But in Russia, from morning until morning, they talk about Ukraine, the USA, Europe and others " curving "countries .. we do not have our own problems.
        1. +6
          30 September 2019 16: 38
          And this is specifically to distract us from our problems. And then we will begin to ask uncomfortable questions to Putin.
      2. -20
        30 September 2019 07: 53
        Then to you. probably, the article in which about the Russian Federation - one and a half paragraph off-topic, and the rest - about professions in the USA, is not very like. What are you then noted in the comments on it?
        PiSi: Svarog, and even in the USA everyone is so fucked up in the Russian Federation that they allocate them from the budget for anti-government activities in the Russian Federation. I don’t remember that we did this ... And also tell us what some Mueller was investigating there recently. and by the way - how much is it for the money, and how much did they write about it?
        1. +6
          30 September 2019 11: 14
          in the USA, everyone is so fucked up in the Russian Federation that they allocate from the budget for anti-government activities in the Russian Federation
          As you love America, even follow the activities of their government. And I know that the Russian government is so fucked up against the people of Russia that all their laws are anti-people.
          1. -7
            30 September 2019 13: 52
            Replace them, what's stopping you? The fact that you can only say one thing - here it is - is bad. Correct as - I do not know. I am a hero! I say bad. I can’t help, I don’t know how. Kohl began to learn - so teach, have something to say? Ah, bad! What to do?
            1. +3
              30 September 2019 15: 40
              Replace them, what's stopping you?
              But they do not want to be replaced.
              1. -3
                30 September 2019 17: 08
                And what should we do?
                "And I want to live so much as each of you"
  4. +24
    30 September 2019 05: 55
    Judging by the results, "managers" work the worst for us and earn the most. Quite a strange "labor market".

    ps It seems that in the world all countries except the Russian Federation are "West". laughing
    1. +13
      30 September 2019 08: 02
      Quote: samarin1969
      Judging by the results, "managers" work the worst for us and earn the most. ... laughing
      Well yes! Well yes! Despite the fact that computers and all kinds of databases and the number exceeds the same states. And wherever you look, as a result of their work --- a complete ambush.
      Because they are not for the population ---- but against him !! am work.
    2. +11
      30 September 2019 10: 57
      Quite a strange "labor market".


      What's so "strange"? We do not have enough ministers - secretaries, the blockage is complete. Nobody agrees. So they lure the rowers into the galley with money for this "hard labor". laughing Soon they will reach the Uzbeks, ours do not want to scam.
      And on the topic - in the 90s, my wife's friend, a teacher, ended up in Philadelphia. for a couple of months on the "exchange of wisdom". She came awesome. The workload on the teacher is small, the general level of schoolchildren is low - they study mainly later in colleges for money. They are not stupid, it is just that no one really asks them and does not stand above their hearts.
      It is difficult to become a teacher; it is long and expensive to study. But if it does, then the union will never let you kick it out. And they are on strike! wassat Scheduled once a month. Our stunned one asked - why? And they look at her like an idiot - "To get together at the first whistle."
      1. +2
        30 September 2019 17: 01
        Quote: dauria
        Quite a strange "labor market".


        What's so "strange"? We do not have enough ministers - secretaries, the blockage is complete. Nobody agrees. So they lure the rowers into the galley with money for this "hard labor". laughing Soon they will reach the Uzbeks, ours do not want to scam.
        And on the topic - in the 90s, my wife's friend, a teacher, ended up in Philadelphia. for a couple of months on the "exchange of wisdom". She came awesome. The workload on the teacher is small, the general level of schoolchildren is low - they study mainly later in colleges for money. They are not stupid, it is just that no one really asks them and does not stand above their hearts.
        It is difficult to become a teacher; it is long and expensive to study. But if it does, then the union will never let you kick it out. And they are on strike! wassat Scheduled once a month. Our stunned one asked - why? And they look at her like an idiot - "To get together at the first whistle."


        I was impressed about my colleagues .. belay We have "on the first whistle" only for official extras.
  5. +7
    30 September 2019 06: 02
    Doctors, nurses, lawyers and businessmen with policemen and judges make planes, cars, build skyscrapers in the United States ??? A simple worker, even a skilled one, was completely blotted out and belittled both behind a puddle and in Russia, like Marxism- Leninism did not go for a walk around the planet again laughing .....
    1. +16
      30 September 2019 06: 30
      Quote: anjey
      Doctors, nurses, lawyers and businessmen with police and judges make planes, cars, build skyscrapers in the USA?

      Assistant driver garbage truck in New York 90 thousand bucks. In year. As I read about it, I was stunned a little. belay And the trash can driver - just over a hundred thousand. The other day I went to the hospital, there is an advertisement: "A janitor is required. The salary is from 12 thousand rubles."
      1. -12
        30 September 2019 07: 10
        And in Zimbabwe, until 2008, the salary per kilogram was considered, and advanced - on money trucks .... and what?
        Dollars received ...... Zimbabwean .....
        Pellet really cost 2 kilograms of money.


        Think about it - if the American garbage man gets 90 thousand and lives NOT in a cool area and a private villa, and in an ordinary removable hut, he eats ordinary fast food from a chain store, doesn’t go to the Bahamas, doesn’t buy a Rolls-Royce and even gives a loan for housing with a creak (if they give it, they don’t give friends living in the USA without explanation , just stupidly do not give with an income of 70 000) ..
        Apparently it's some kind WRONG bucks they ....
        Or is life REALLY more expensive there and much more than they tell us
        1. +10
          30 September 2019 07: 37
          Quote: your1970
          Think about it - if an American garbage collector receives 90 of thousands and does NOT live in a steep area and a personal villa, but in an ordinary removable hut, eats ordinary fast food from a chain store, does not go to the Bahamas, does not buy a Rolls Royce, and even gives him a loan for housing with a scratch ( if they give, they don’t give acquaintances living in the USA without explanation, they just don’t stupidly give it when they earn 70 000) ..
          Apparently these are some WRONG bucks from them ....

          It was an article from SNN a couple of years ago about two scavengers, and one of them has six children. They serve two sites. If there is one site, then the salary is half. Now compare how much my bourgeois brother pays the wipers. For two sites - 30 thousand per month. In one rather big city. And then those scavengers in the photo seemed to me quite happy with life. But we have a ruin 4331, which burned down at the beginning of the XNUMXs (he repaired it himself), everything there rotted for a long time, and the workers are gloomy. Once I asked them: "Guys, why don't you change the containers, they rotted long ago?" The answer was in Medvedev's style: "No money." But near their office, solid Geldings and Boomers with Nissan stand.
          1. -9
            30 September 2019 12: 20
            1)
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            And something to me those scavengers in the photo seemed quite contented with life.

            Quote: Mordvin 3
            and the workers are grim.

            Do you still think that the smile on their face is from happiness ???? Or the lack of smiles on our faces is from grief ???
            They have is laid-even if they put you on a stake, smile, they say everything: "Ok !!" otherwise they will devour ...
            We have one of the richest people (not an official !!! producer) in our region who walks with such a face, as if he had just moved the whole family from his roller, his mother-in-law rose from the grave, and the state took all the money ..
            At the same time, he is a very cheerful, adequate and cheerful person. Drinking something like that with him in the same company, I asked him - what is sad? He was wildly surprised at this, they say, yes, everything is fine, the grandmas came, the tender won, the production is working? Then the mug is sour? Answer- "And should everyone smile or something? I need it? !!"
            We don’t wear a smile on our faces for show, we don’t wear ...

            2)
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            If one site - then the salary is half as much. Now compare how much my bourgeois brother pays the janitors. For two sites - 30 thousand per month. In one rather big city.
            once again, the question is not how much someone pays to whom - the question is how many goods and services are enough for this?
            my friends who left for the USA back in the 00s say that basically they had here (in the Russian Federation!) comparable income with the current 70 bucks a year in the United States. Not at the rate and not by shouting "They get a hundred thousand bucks there, this is 000 here !!! aaaa !!!" here and there .Products are more expensive - things are cheaper, medicine - "oh!" and so on, not paying for parking (very sickly) can result in a criminal offense, an apartment for rent, there is no and never will be (they refuse a loan categorically without explanation) - here it was

            can receive

            and then give it for bread like that


            if after that you think that abstract (divorced from local shops and taxes) salary figures are important, well, I request
            in Zimbabwe the entire population were billionaires and trillionaires until 2008

            3) a new garbage truck, new containers, are taken out even at night, if the tanks are full ...
            All pleasure -126 rubles from the nose per month. if I drink beer once a month (with a snack) - it will be MORE at a cost than a fee for three people
            1. +3
              30 September 2019 13: 09
              Quote: your1970
              Do you still think that the smile on their face is from happiness ????

              I have never claimed this.
              Quote: your1970
              to the question "why is the mug sour then? The answer is," Should everyone smile or something? I need it? !! "

              That's exactly what I think.
              Quote: your1970
              new garbage truck, new containers, taken out even at night, if the tanks are full ...

              Our Criminal Code was handed over to Muscovites, so they even included the cost of purchasing light cars in the garbage receipt. The people wandered, indignant, gathered at the Palace of Culture, our deputy promised to figure out, for months now, the servant of the people has been sorted out.
              And regarding facial expressions, believe me, a happy face is different from artificial smiles.
              Quote: your1970
              All pleasure -126 rubles from the nose per month. if I drink beer once a month (with a snack) - it will be MORE at a cost than a fee for three people

              Can you explain why residents of some regions pay more than in neighboring ones? And why should residents pay for their Wishlist in the form of Renault and Toyota eacups?
              So, residents of Uzlovaya are outraged by the fact that the regional operator “MSC-NT” included in the tariff for garbage collection the costs of purchasing cars - fourteen Renault Duster and two Toyota Camry. “We don’t understand on what basis should this be included in administrative expenses?” They wrote in a collective complaint to the Federal Antimonopoly Service.

              https://tulactive.ru/news/122386
        2. -1
          30 September 2019 13: 02
          The prices of their products (if Google does not lie) are roughly 2 times higher.
          Now compare the monthly salary, for example, with the same assistant scavenger given here at $ 7.5t per month and ours, or do you think they have a rent and insurance of $ 7t per month
      2. +8
        30 September 2019 07: 45
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        "A janitor is required. The salary is from 12 thousand rubles."

        At the same time, the janitor’s work is hellish, given that we have 8 months of winter ..
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        Assistant driver-garbage truck in New York gets 90 thousand bucks.

        So the Chinese have already overtaken us in income for a long time, the seamstress in China receives 120 tr per month, if we transfer to ours, and we have 30 tr
        1. -10
          30 September 2019 08: 50
          Simple question. In New York, who pays the garbage truck driver, Trump, or the people of New York? What prevents you from paying more to the janitor? To begin with, figure out how much utility costs in New York cost and how much taxes you need to deduct from the salary of 90 thousand bucks, and do not forget about medical insurance, because in New York you will not be able to respect doctors for these 90 thousand dirty.
          1. +6
            30 September 2019 09: 14
            Quote: Konstantin Shevchenko
            What prevents you from paying more to the janitor?

            Ask this question to figures from the housing and communal services. I asked my brother such a question. He asked which of his hard workers could buy a hut. In response, only a mooing heard. With an average payment of a communal apartment in 5-6 thousand (kopeck piece), in our city janitors are paid 12.
            Quote: Konstantin Shevchenko
            To get started, figure out how much utility costs in New York and how much you need to deduct taxes from the salary of 90 thousand bucks,

            And where did you get the idea that this is dirty?
            Quote: Konstantin Shevchenko
            To begin with, figure out how much utility costs in New York

            Yes, I doubt that 20 thousand (half the salary for the plot) bucks for an apartment, similar to our Khrushchev in 42 square.
            1. 0
              30 September 2019 09: 44
              Yes, not everything is so simple in this America. This is an accrued salary. There they also take taxes from her. And they seem 25-30%. And two taxes. State and state. Plus in the store prices are indicated without VAT. It is added when paying and the amount in the check increases. You can see about life in America and Canada by Alex Brezhnev. America inside out.
              1. +6
                30 September 2019 16: 49
                Say that not everything is good in America? And why, then, their average age of life is noticeably greater, and why does their birth rate exceed mortality, and vice versa?
                So in America it seems to be better than in Russia, by the way, therefore, people run there.
                1. -2
                  30 September 2019 20: 25
                  Quote: Fan-Fan
                  Say that not everything is good in America? And why, then, their average age of life is noticeably greater, and why does their birth rate exceed mortality, and vice versa?
                  So in America it seems to be better than in Russia, by the way, therefore, people run there.
                  -
                  1) there are very cool nuances - for example, the mother who gave birth to the child does not indicate the father and the child receives the right to a small allowance. It is small - but a freebie. And then fun - he will not be able to claim the inheritance, unless the father personally indicates it in the will- as an absolutely stranger. And if he tries to adopt him, then the mother will have to return the allowance money back
                  2)Birth rate? And this CASH fellow option - "Come in large numbers here! New York is not rubber! They breed like cats !!"
                  3) "American Dream" has not been canceled ... my friends to the question - why ??? otvetstvuet- "already and do not know, used to!". They were leaving for millions ...
                2. -3
                  30 September 2019 20: 57
                  That's just before watching VO watched a movie by Alex Brezhnev from America. Then the Vegabond video about America about our people who went there for permanent residence. Migrants write about the cool life there! But those who live there claim the opposite! But a member of the U.S. Army Rudenko claims about chic living conditions! But Alex says that Rudenko is a starball and an informer. A military officer not of an officer rank like Rudenko cannot have such income! Plus Rudenko is also a snitch. He called employer Alex and warned that Alex is anti-American propaganda. Then he watched a video about Americans who came for permanent residence in Moscow and the Baltic states. Marvel But they are pleased to snot that they left the USA! In their opinion, life in Moscow is cheaper than life in the USA. A long time ago I watched the revelations of a Muscovite who left for the USA. Returned back to Moscow!
            2. 0
              30 September 2019 09: 47
              Yes, it’s dirty. The employer of doctors, teachers, janitors about whom it is not customary to even talk about respect. No taxes and social taxes are deducted for respected workers to the state. Utilities from about 700 and do not live in Hollywood huts.
          2. +5
            30 September 2019 13: 04
            It makes it difficult to pay more to the janitor, as the rest of the people here, unlike New York, also have no money
            1. +2
              30 September 2019 14: 41
              Despite the fact that the United States is printing greens. There is no socialism, not at all. There, money does not fall from the sky. Everyone knows how to count money. New York 8,5 million, equivalently comparable to Moscow. And as always, it’s good where we are not.
              1. +4
                30 September 2019 15: 31
                And Germany is printing the dollar apparently both France and England, judging by your logic, but are there any other arguments?
                1. -2
                  30 September 2019 16: 16
                  Not quite clear question. Germany prints the euro. And also money from the sky does not fall. Merkel does not ship wagons to the accountants, doctors and janitors, does not ship at all. In England, Boris, too, does not distribute money to janitors. Macron also arrives.
                  1. +5
                    30 September 2019 16: 51
                    But then why do they live better than us? Why do they live longer than us, why do they have a mortality rate lower than the birth rate, and ours is the other way around?
                    1. -2
                      30 September 2019 18: 24
                      But then why do they live better than us?
                      this concept is relative not a fact. Fertility due to immigrants? Well, where we do not. As always.
                  2. +3
                    30 September 2019 17: 06
                    That is precisely what they are not given to, but paid normally.
                    Only in our country the minister is supposedly surprised how the concept of "working beggar" appeared ah ah ah.
                    No one asks to give out.
                    And at the same time, the head of the state-owned company Miller for 50000000 wages per month. State! Companies! From what such merits !? With the "working beggars".
                    1. +1
                      30 September 2019 18: 39
                      Wow, you have confidential information. Why then go on strike where they pay normally? Probably you have to pay dearly for a heavenly life with a large salary. Ask how much you need to pay per month for a child in a kindergarten or school in the USA and Europe. It is not appropriate to compare salaries, different procedures, taxes, everyday life. Especially "clean" in Russia with "dirty" where paradise.
        2. -3
          30 September 2019 20: 11
          Quote: Svarog
          So the Chinese have already overtaken us in income for a long time, the seamstress in China receives 120 tr per month, if we transfer to ours, and we have 30 tr
          -How did you get translates the course and say - "100 thousand for ours !!! that's how bad we live - if the Chinese get more than us"
          Well let's go your way - recalculate exchange rates
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          in our city janitors pay 12.

          as of 01.05.2008/XNUMX/XNUMX the Zimbavian dollar rate was
          100000 ZWD = 78.6790 RUB
          at this rate our salary janitor is (15) 249 907 Zimbabwean dollars. He would be a dollar millionaire ...

          Delirium? Naturally delirium, like recount someone’s shelves abroad in our rubles and screams "ah-ah-ah !! they get more of ours there !!"

          Nobody wants to take into account the expenses THERE and how big they are. My friends, when asked about savings, shrug their shoulders - "0"! Medical insurance in their case did not cover the fracture of their son, if it were not for a miracle in the form of a grant - as soon as the money in the account ran out - zigel-zigel ...
          no, at all, as they say, they would not stop treating - they would give aspirin, but no more than that ...

          "In cotton mythology, there is a persistent myth that in the West salaries should be divided in half, since taxes and other deductions take half the salary. Let's see how much actually remains clean, from a fairly high salary, from a person who does not make any deductions, and pays taxes close to maximum.
          1. Salary (dirty) $9791.66
          2. Federal tax (Obama's food) - $ 1751.11 (17.9% of salary)
          3. Medical tax (for the treatment of senior citizens) - $ 135.29 (1.4% of salary)
          4. Pension tax (for pensioners on food) - $ 578.47 (5.9% of salary)
          Total, all taxes $ 2464.87 (25.2% of salary)

          Other than that, there are other deductions. Some of them are almost mandatory.
          5. Medical insurance for an adult with children - $ 310 (3.2% of the salary). It is bad to live in the USA without medical insurance. If not for the children, then insurance for one would be half cheaper.
          Also, there are relatively voluntary deductions. It is not necessary to do them at all, but as a rule it is more profitable to do than not to do.
          6. Voluntary retirement savings - $ 783.33 (8% of salary). This money is in the account, is growing slowly, and provide additional income for retirement. Sometimes the employer still adds his money to this.
          7. Contributions to the account for child care - $ 208 (2.1% of salary). This money is used to pay for a nanny or kindergarten.
          If a person did not make these voluntary deductions, then taxes would be higher, by $ 300 dollars. And in the end, he would get $ 600 more on hand. But then he would have lost $ 780 of retirement savings, and $ 208 per nanny.
          Also, there are deductions for life insurance ($ 8.32 gives insurance in two annual salaries, in case of death) and disability insurance ($ 51.90 gives 60% of the salary, for life, in case of disability). But this money is not really deductible from the salary, as the employer pays for it. They are first added to the salary, and then deducted. As a result, the employee only pays taxes, which is already included in the amount of taxes higher. There is still eye insurance that pays for glasses or contact lenses, but this is a trifle - $ 3.32.
          What do we have in the end?
          Taxes go 25%. Health insurance costs 3%. 10% goes for voluntary deductions, but this is your money. As a result, a person with a high income takes less than 30% on taxes and medical insurance For people with more average income, this percentage is even lower. "

          Total taxes 25 + 5 + 10 = 40% of the salary

          And also in the USA, there is a kind of our analogue of "indirect" taxes (such as VAT and excise taxes):
          Fuel tax (fixed amount per gallon of fuel)
          Sales tax (analogue of VAT in the USA from 2% to 15% - depends on the state)
          1. +1
            30 September 2019 20: 44
            Wow! Interesting information! I did not know such details yet! Thanks for the enlightenment! hi
      3. +1
        30 September 2019 08: 50
        Assistant driver garbage truck in New York, 90 thousand bucks gets
        They have this "cleanliness engineer" in a white shirt and suit laughing
        1. +2
          30 September 2019 09: 28
          Yes, by the way, the service sector is waste processing, it is a serious business there and not just taken out, dumped and forgot.
  6. +8
    30 September 2019 06: 36
    Is that abroad help us ... find out the truth ???
    And then we do not know, we do not see.
    1. +11
      30 September 2019 08: 10
      Quote: rocket757
      Is that abroad help us ... find out the truth ???
      And then we do not know, we do not see.
      And often we don’t know, Victor! They were surprised at the Buryat shaman, but as I learned about the deputy Lyudmila Pakhomova from Buryatia, but about her pre-election leaflet, terribly surprised. .... And if you recall how an Altai official proposed to turn off the electricity for the poor at night ..... it turns out that we do not know and do not represent much.
      1. +1
        30 September 2019 08: 17
        IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW EVERYTHING! besides, omniscience does not always help.
        The question is complex and controversial, most of them do not bother and live normally.
        1. +6
          30 September 2019 08: 25
          First of all, you need to know as much as possible about your specialty. fool
          Good morning Victor laughing
          1. +2
            30 September 2019 08: 30
            Hi Dmitry soldier
            There is the necessary knowledge, there is for general development ... but there is just the way, as if, to know or a hobby!
            There is no superfluous, in principle, the question is how you know how to use what you have.
            1. 0
              30 September 2019 08: 41
              Quote: rocket757
              IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW EVERYTHING!
              the question is how you know how to use what you have.

              Smart is one that knows a little more than others. The intelligent is one who knows little, but is able to apply this knowledge to the benefit of others.

              The Intelligent East invented gunpowder for fireworks.
              Smart West came up with guns.
              Smart West invented the atomic bomb.
              Reasonable USSR - nuclear power plant.
              1. +4
                30 September 2019 08: 52
                Quote: Boris55
                The intelligent is one who knows little, but is able to apply this knowledge to the benefit of others.

                Our sensible ancestors had competencies in everything ... if they didn’t know what, they tried to learn and use ... in different ways, of course!
                1. +4
                  30 September 2019 09: 01
                  Quote: rocket757
                  Reasonable our ancestors, had competencies in everything

                  The bike.

                  The Kiev prince with a guest from Rome sailed in the boat. The prince sat down by the oars and the helmsman shouted at him. Then a guest from Rome asked the prince:
                  “You are a prince, why are you on the oars and you allow yourself to yell.”
                  To which the prince answered.
                  - I am a prince in Kiev, and here he is a prince.

                  Maybe the problem is that with us every appointed boss considers himself a prince in everything?
                  1. +5
                    30 September 2019 09: 22
                    Quote: Boris55
                    Maybe the problem is that with us every appointed boss considers himself a prince in everything?

                    "master" on the estate ..... with "slaves" in the bargain!
  7. +10
    30 September 2019 06: 43
    ... But there will come something like "communism", only oligarchs and robots, without "little people" and social payments. Only wealthy people. The rest are in the furnace ... who did not fit into the new world ...
    1. +7
      30 September 2019 08: 16
      Quote: parusnik
      ... in the furnace ..... who did not fit into the new world ...
      I understand that you are exaggerating. But ---- it’s already visible that they’re simply not dealing with some territories and problems ---- schools are being destroyed, there is no medicine .... The impression is that some abandoned territories are being prepared .... People will to leave or just get there ... p
      1. +3
        30 September 2019 09: 32
        In connection with the problem of desolation of territories you mentioned, something was remembered.
        Ministries in the 90s were concerned about the calculation of specialized resources.
        For example, this year the Ministry of Natural Resources estimated that the total cost of wild animals in Russia is 267 billion rubles.
        According to the relevant institutions, the price of minerals, energy resources, forest and hunting lands -
        102,7 trillion rubles.
        The price of all oil reserves is $ 1 trillion.
        Credit Bureau Equifax, evaluating human resources, has created a base of more than 60 million borrowers and their relatives.
        In general, everyone thinks!
        Including land. 200 million unused hectares were discovered, it is not known to whom they belong, since the owners are dummies, they change every year, according to the law, you will not be fined for not using it, you will not find the ends.
        Opinions were divided regarding the assessments. Some believe that the state has taken care of taking an inventory of what it owns.
        Others - that officials are going to sell good to foreigners.
        It would be good first.
        But why then the cost of the beast compared to last year increased 400 times, and the law, according to which the land not used within 3 years from the moment of transferring it to private hands, should not be returned to the state without compensation? This also includes the reluctance to return empty territories to life. After all, this requires an investment of money. But our official considers the money invested in the territory as his own loss.
        1. +7
          30 September 2019 09: 45
          Good morning, Lyudmila! love What are your great informative comments. !!!!
          During the presidency of Medvedev, there was talk of agglomerations, conglomerations.
          Then they stopped. True, sometimes separate statements come out close to this topic. If you recall the reduction of railway ---- what thoughts come? On the isolation of some territories? Then saving on different budget items? Or even worse?
          1. +6
            30 September 2019 10: 54
            Good morning! )))
            Yes, Medvedev and with a three-year plan started up - hesitated! The country is crushed by external management (sanctions - pedals), what is the three-year plan, if statehood dies quietly. Remember, Nabiullina openly stated that the country's macroeconomic indicators will be supported by reducing consumption by the population and reducing production. And isn't that so? In each of these cases, the population seems to be superfluous.
            Specialists shrug: how is it? People began to give birth to the third and fourth children, and the population is declining! Unemployment is only 3,5 - 4%, which is normal, and the number of poor is growing. Adds this optimism? I don’t. The people began to understand something. On the Web, calls from resistance are heard from quite adequate people. In this regard, some kind of restriction on the sale of weapons is being prepared. In general, they survived.
            1. +6
              30 September 2019 14: 23
              Nabiullina openly stated.
              Lyudmila, love So not only Nabiullina, and others joyfully voiced! Why are they repeated? Everyone is in a hurry to demonstrate their devotion for foreign affairs, for foreignness! Everything that is necessary for the population is optimized. You are probably right. There is a desire and environment to optimize.
              To impede development, environmental howl and protests rose ... Ours signed! And what did our representatives not recall about the role of Russia for the ecology of the whole planet. Double standarts.
              After all, the Russian taiga makes a greater contribution to photosynthesis and oxygen recovery of the entire Earth than the Brazilian selva! More than Russia brings only the World Ocean. It would seem that both Russia and the whole world should know about this and take care.
              And nobody knows that! am As if! Neither in the World, nor with us! What I will continue soon.
              1. +6
                30 September 2019 14: 49
                Under the USSR, there were ~ 80 forestry technical schools, as well as higher ones. Now there are less than 30 forestry technical schools. We see the result. But this result is not final either. Now there are plans for another optimization --- to connect the incompatible --- "" "sawmill" "" with "" a rag ""! Namely: one of the oldest educational institutions of the Forest Institute (May 19, 1803, the highest decree on the institution), and now the SPBGLTU (Forestry Academy) with the Textile Institute of St. Petersburg (SPBGUPTD). Both higher educational institutions are dedicated to Sergei Mironovich Kirov. Named after Kirov. As a result, colossal damage to both forestry education and scientific base can occur. But before the word "ecology" "was not! Not at all! Nevertheless, Stalin's most important environmental policy was. Resolution of the Council of Ministers of the USSR and the Central Committee of the CPSU (b) of October 20, 1948 !!! 3 years after the end of the war !!!
                "" On the plan of field-protective afforestation, the introduction of grass crop rotations, the construction of ponds and reservoirs to ensure high sustainable yields in the steppe and forest-steppe regions of the European part of the USSR "".
                It was a colossal plan for the transformation of Nature, which was unparalleled! However, with the death of Stalin, the implementation of the plan was curtailed, forest belts were cut down, water bodies degraded, books about the Plan were removed. 570 forest protection stations were liquidated at the direction of the corn.
                You can talk a lot on this topic.
        2. -1
          30 September 2019 20: 49
          Quote: depressant
          and the law, according to which the land not used within 3 years from the moment of its transfer to private hands, should be returned to the state without compensation, is not even considered?
          -
          according to the current legislation, not to the state, but to local municipalities. There are a lot of problems on this issue and to solve it in a hurry - as you propose, well, it’s not entirely correct. Well, for example, in agronomy, land plots should not be sown periodically, but should be empty. And right away The question is, what are the ways to confirm non-use? The owner beats himself in the chest, the earth rests !! And? Is it possible to exclude corruption here? no way!
          And vice versa - I need land! Yes, yes, yes, now we take it away, everything is for you !!
          And also a pledge of land as a security measure. I took 10 lyamas and bye-bye, the bank was just soaping up to sell the land, and the municipalities were right there - "3 years not used, we are taking away !!" !) loans underground? yeah, shish with butter .....

          And you forget that so much court can deprive someone of any property

          Z.Y. the state is a very poor land owner. Almost all abandoned lands are mostly either Muscovites (with a mortgage of land in the bank) or federal lands
  8. +4
    30 September 2019 06: 44
    All the financial wisdom in the USA was built for centuries. We dived into the market economy for no more than 30 years. And the biggest mistake was that we took the US economy as a model. It was necessary to build the economies of countries where capital does not put so much pressure on society.
    1. +10
      30 September 2019 07: 27
      where capital doesn’t put pressure on society.
      In the Union, capital did not press society. But for that they arranged a coup so that the loot rowed without an account.
      1. -5
        30 September 2019 13: 17
        You want to say that the people at the scoop lived prosperously? Oh well
        1. +3
          30 September 2019 15: 37
          You want to say that the people under Putin live well? Oh well
          something like this.
          1. -3
            30 September 2019 16: 11
            Well, as it were, many times better than under Brezhnev.
            1. +4
              30 September 2019 16: 56
              You yourself are a scoop.
            2. +5
              30 September 2019 17: 28
              many times better
              First speak Russian. Correctly several times, secondly, what does it mean better? Are you talking about car drivers?
              1. -5
                30 September 2019 17: 44
                And about them too. Housing conditions, provision of household appliances, food and clothing. The level of services and services.
                1. +3
                  30 September 2019 18: 18
                  And about them too
                  Are you seriously? Well, at least revise the beginning of the film, "The Incredible Adventures of Italians in Russia." The episode was filmed by an Italian director. And I'm glad. that at that time he lived in the Union, and not in Italy.
                  But the most important thing is that you, as a consumer, speak only about conveniences, such concepts as honor of conscience, justice do not interest you.
                  1. -7
                    30 September 2019 19: 06
                    And in the late 80s I visited Finland. For work. And I saw how miserable we live, compared with the Finns. The leaders of the late USSR did not have honor, conscience and justice, as it is not even now. Moreover, the current state of affairs is a direct consequence of the rule of the Communists.
                    1. +1
                      1 October 2019 08: 05
                      Quote: AS Ivanov.
                      And in the late 80s I visited Finland.
                      The end of the 80s, i.e. Gorbachev’s times should not be taken as a standard of the USSR. This is a period of decomposition of the political and economic system. And in some 50-60s, the availability of products and equipment hardly differed from Europe.
                2. +6
                  30 September 2019 18: 24
                  Andrei. There are a lot of questions regarding food products. In the former country, we only ate fresh food. Now, except for vegetables, they are completely stale. Why are shopping centers empty during the audit? And when the inspectors leave, the counters again caress their eyes. I'm not saying what these products are made of.
                3. 0
                  1 October 2019 08: 09
                  Quote: AS Ivanov.
                  Living conditions
                  Half of Russians live in rented apartments, being forced to travel to big cities to earn money. Or take mortgages at predatory interest. In the USSR, apartments were given free of charge. My grandfather-excavator got an apartment in the house, under which he himself also dug a foundation pit. And at the same time a garage in a cooperative and a summer cottage.
                  Quote: AS Ivanov.
                  provision of household appliances
                  And what - computers, microwaves and lcd panels on half a wall in Europe already in the 50s were?
                  Quote: AS Ivanov.
                  food
                  And what products were missing? Coca-Cola and hamburger?
                  Quote: AS Ivanov.
                  The level of services and services.
                  Yes Yes. There were no Starbucks and barbershops in every second house, this is of course a big drawback.
    2. +5
      30 September 2019 07: 47
      Quote: nikvic46
      It was necessary to build on the patterns of the economies of countries where capital does not put pressure on society.

      Our society is under pressure from the "device" that our capital has put on our society ..
    3. +14
      30 September 2019 08: 14
      You are serious, someone took something for some kind of sample, read again the statement of the red goat. The main thing for them was HAPPEN and ruin the country.
    4. +8
      30 September 2019 08: 44
      the biggest mistake was that we took the US economy as a model.


      And you didn’t take the US economy as a model - you have feudal capitalism.
  9. -10
    30 September 2019 07: 29
    And why not list the American-British oligarchs and their income? laughing Rothschilds, Morgan, Vanderdilt all these reptilians .. wassat .Or nibble shaking from the mere mention of these names. recourse ..And you can shit on Russia ..! am fellow
    1. +5
      30 September 2019 13: 08
      From the transfer of American aligarchs, ours will become better or will something be corrected?
      Like, and they also have fleas, well then, let them be with us
      1. -1
        30 September 2019 17: 15
        Quote: Revival
        t transfers of American aligarchs, ours will become better or will something be corrected?

        It's not about our bОgateah "... I wonder how the material was presented! If an analysis of the salaries of Americans is given, then what does it have to do with the Russians?
        oligarchs? Or, I’m a stump and don’t understand anything about these sausage scraps ...! Why not review the "honest and decent, businesslike" American oligarchs ... Or discuss the Rothschilds, Rockefellers and Vanderbilts ...?
    2. -5
      30 September 2019 15: 20
      They won't pay for it. And the plus signs will not be instructed. It is now profitable to water Russia with slops. Such "patriotism" of local white and red
      1. +5
        30 September 2019 17: 00
        And how did they spoil Russia when they listed the oligarchs of Putin’s friends and their wealth? What gave us the terrible secret of our power? And your patriotism-just wave the flag?
        1. -4
          30 September 2019 21: 36
          With slogans and flags, only you jump from branch to branch. This scribble is another bone of the snotty whining garbage of this site. A place "to groan". Typical "Rashkafsø", and the most miserable in recent years. So tell me, what is the connection between salaries abroad and our oligarchs, superintelligence?
  10. 0
    30 September 2019 07: 31
    Wow, in the USA there are no oligarchs, stealing honest officials. Salaries shown here, excluding taxes?
  11. +4
    30 September 2019 08: 10
    There are billionaires, no one argues, the question is: what did they create themselves, for example, like Henry Ford or the banker Morgan? From here draw conclusions.
    1. 0
      30 September 2019 13: 09
      They don’t need conclusions, but shout louder supposedly from them, too, as if our problem would be solved immediately or made easier
  12. +4
    30 September 2019 08: 14
    The foreign press is silent about prestigious professions in Russia and their prospects. However, journalists still talk about one profession.
    Last year, the US Treasury released a list of 114 Russian politicians and businessmen, as well as 96 people who are considered oligarchs.

    The original comparison is given. In the USA, professions are considered, in Russia - representatives of big business, who, in the author's view, influence the government. We will not discuss how significant this influence is to call them oligarchs in the classical sense. Nevertheless, I think that comparing the professional strata of society and the personages of large business owners is a little incorrect, to put it mildly. It is more correct to compare our "oligarchs" with similar persons in the US financial and industrial groups. For example, compare the same Gennady Timchenko with Denis Muilenburg (Boeing) or F. William McNabb. I don't think Timchenko beats the Boeing chief executive much.
    Is the "profession" of the oligarch respected in the country? Americans don't write anything about it

    Yes, of course. After all, what the Americans write is controlled by the same local oligarchs. And if they decided to remain in the shadows, who would dare to betray them to public discussion? And then, an oligarch is not a profession, it is the level of achievements in the profession. And besides, why are we being compared with the United States. After all, even their scientific community has long come to the conclusion that the oligarchs have usurped power in the United States. American law specialist Alexander Domrin believes that the oligarchic nature of power in the United States is a well-known fact, but what is important is that it is finally recognized in the research of a reputable university. Some kind of confusion .... Even Ilf and Petrov, long before the birth of Roman Abramovich, deduced (maybe borrowed) a simple formula - if banknotes wander in the country, then there will always be people who have a lot of them. Should this be surprising given the capitalist structure of the state? In the United States, too, a third of the population is below the poverty line. Of course, poverty is very different here and there. But even there she is emotionally endured no easier. Living in a tent or fridge box even with free soup is not the ultimate dream. I think so.
    1. +5
      30 September 2019 13: 24
      Well, let's compare their billionaires and ours:
      They have first places:
      Google, Amazon, construction, Microsoft, Loreal, zara.
      More or less invented, created.
      We have: ferrous metallurgy, non-ferrous, oil, coal, petrochemicals, gas, etc.
      Depressed and grabbed.
      Feel the difference?
      Therefore, we begin to compare them and ours, and still we will be in flight.
      1. -1
        30 September 2019 14: 43
        Quote: Revival
        Therefore, we begin to compare them and ours, and still we will be in flight.

        Of course. That is why it is better to compare the income of the Russian Alisher Usmanov with the income of an American nurse and veterinarian. laughing
        1. +1
          30 September 2019 15: 33
          Even before this comment, I understood that, in essence, you have no arguments.
          Thank you for attention.
          1. -2
            30 September 2019 16: 10
            Quote: Revival
            Even before this comment, I understood that, in essence, you have no arguments.

            In my commentary on the topic of the article, I talked about the absurdity of such a comparison. What arguments did you want to see? Those that confirm the illegality of the capital of our oligarchs in comparison with the US? Are there capitalists in white gloves, and ours are completely thieves and cannibals? So what?
  13. +1
    30 September 2019 08: 31
    Mdyaya ... I remember there were times when people were hammered, which is typical, they hammered that it’s in the West, it’s so good there ... And that officials from the Communist Party "got really fucked up" ... And then the Union destroyed ... And it didn't get any better ... Again on the same rake? ..
    1. +5
      30 September 2019 13: 26
      So those who hammered, from those then it didn’t get any better, who deceived him and took advantage. Everything is natural
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  15. +11
    30 September 2019 09: 24
    At the moment, the highest paid employee is the head of the organization. Then his deputies. Then the secretary. Then there are all sorts of "managers" who do nothing themselves, but drive the so-called. "office plankton". Then this same plankton - low-level office "workers", who are mainly engaged in drawing up an avalanche of reports, with which "managers" prove to each other that they are useful, and present them to banks in order to receive new loans and participate in state programs.
    Further, there is a huge abyss, through which highly qualified pros peer a little, without whom it is absolutely impossible to do, such as cool welders. In the rest of the country there is an almost equal "salary" at the level of 11 to 25 thousand rubles, which is received by everyone - teachers, engineers, doctors, and builders ... that's all.
    At the same time, all professions in which one really has to work enjoy the same contempt in our country. Those people who need to really plow are stupid fuckers, losers, fools. "Loser people"? That is how it is!
  16. +5
    30 September 2019 11: 07
    Is the "profession" of the oligarch respected in the country?
    About respect from the Internet ....................................

    Fear God, little crooks ...

    Well, enough to live a miserable whole century.

    You’re not afraid of anyone’s reproaches,

    The bribe-takers world and the world of cripples.

    Fear God, there are children ...

    And you will fill the moshna there

    Hurry, robbing half the world.

    What a cattle appetite ...

    Nature has fought back on you.

    Holy nothing in the soul.

    Once upon a time, old age will come to life.

    Death will come in turn.
    1. +5
      30 September 2019 14: 19
      The author did not include conscience managers in the list of professions. Apparently, because the salary is not calculable. Conscience is bought from some, sold to others, its not. Successful in any country.
      1. +5
        30 September 2019 17: 04
        sales managers

        Who is this? Kiselev, Solaviev, Skabeeva, etc.?
  17. +2
    30 September 2019 11: 18
    When everything is copied - an unpleasant resemblance to Ukraine, then it is not enough to compare the sense - we did not catch up and want to catch up?
    National science destroyed. So that the concept of the dispensation of society would be the lot of a closed group of “chosen ones”. And today we need answers to the questions:
    1. Types of VEI exchanges in traditional societies and among major economic players.
    2. What type of exchanges is organic for the Russian population (it is an edificator-builder) and our territory.
    Then there would be clarity - what professions are needed, how to manage salaries, and most importantly - what you want and where to go.
    1. +2
      30 September 2019 14: 28
      Haven't you heard? The economic bloc of the government and the banking sector commanded: "Stop where you are! .. One or two!"
      Here we are. And you - "Where to go?" We were late with Wishlist.
      1. +1
        30 September 2019 16: 00
        Quote: depressant
        they commanded: "Stop where you are! .. One or two!"

        How Gloom-Grumblev tried to eliminate the river: “- A lot, I’ll have a lot of it! ..”, “and meanwhile the water kept coming in” - what a “hard-hearted scoundrel” was, but “Go round! Follow me! - there was a command. He made up his mind. The river did not want to leave him - he will leave her ... We must run! "
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  19. +1
    30 September 2019 13: 05
    I would like to draw your attention to the discrepancy between the photo of the military pilot and the article. "Pilots and Flight Engineers Earn More ($ 90.636)" this applies to pilots and technicians in civil aviation and only in some major airlines. US AIR FORCE pilots and US MC pilots earn less than pilots of major civil airlines. And, in general, I'm not talking about private pilots, these, in general, as private taxi drivers, even in Alaska - a lot of work and little money. For an amateur.
    1. 0
      30 September 2019 13: 53
      this applies to pilots and technical personnel in civil aviation


      The military and the police are poor. 8 bucks an hour - a policeman, 32 bucks an hour on average a nurse (with a license). Attract only social guarantees.
      In the US Air Force, an E-1 private soldier earns $ 18 a year, E-802 - a flight crew member - earns $ 2 and an E-21 - first-class pilot - earns between $ 078 and $ 3, depending from seniority.
  20. +2
    30 September 2019 13: 44
    Increased automation can “cast a shadow” on the future of workers employed in labor-intensive sectors (manufacturing).
    However, the number of mental workers, especially in management, will only grow.

    What's this? Officially recognize that more and more managers will fall on one employee?
  21. +1
    30 September 2019 14: 59
    Next come dentists with an average annual income of 97.968 dollars, nurses (98.488 dollars), lawyers (101.244 dollars), doctors and surgeons (104.052 dollars)


    Doctors, those doctors with higher education, earn about the same as nurses? I don’t know how in the USA and other developed countries of the West, but in Germany, doctors, let’s say, on average, earn much more than nurses.
  22. -3
    30 September 2019 17: 21
    Sorry, I can't stand it again, I will interfere in your purely "Russian" showdown ... Every time I see another stuffing about "anti-national laws" on VO, I personally start to bomb ... are you adults? any law! inherently anti-popular ... even the laws of physics and chemistry, because they unfairly fix the obvious things that a stone falls down .. warm air tends up ... the laws of the state cannot be national just by the definition of the concept of "Law" .. but no..we throw in and throw in ... isn't it kindling?
    Well, okay, let's assume that you're right ... Let's talk about "people's laws" .. probably they were adopted in the "people's country of the world" of the USSR? Perhaps an example of a popular law is "The Law on Three Spikelets" (also the "Law on Five Spikelets", the Law "Seven Eighths", "The Law of the Seventh-Eighth", Decree "7-8" [1]) - common in historical journalism the name of the Resolution of the Central Executive Committee and the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR of August 7, 1932 (7.8.1932/XNUMX/XNUMX, hence seven to eight) "On the protection of property of state enterprises, collective farms and cooperation and the strengthening of public (socialist) property", adopted on the initiative of the General Secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU (b) JV Stalin .. Or not? Or do you have a real example of something that fits into the phrase "people's law" in your head? Maybe it's Robin Hood's Law - "rob the rich and share with the poor"?
  23. 0
    30 September 2019 18: 15
    Quote: RWMos
    What does the comparison of oligarchs and professional hired workers have to do with it? And I also listen carefully about the salary of, for example, the convicted, and convicted civil servant Mask. If he is paid from the budget - who is he? You can also listen about the development of medicine in the USA - the most respected profession, yes ... And about the hell already existing there, it knows how many years the pharmaceutical lobby has been addicted to drugs all over the country for a long time. And about their earnings.

    And there are blacks lynched.
    1. -1
      1 October 2019 05: 45
      Quote: Technician72
      And there are blacks lynched.

      still live out of concept, terpily! laughing
  24. 0
    1 October 2019 09: 23
    You can argue to the point. But the fact remains, in the states, if you work, you can earn and live with dignity more or less. If you honestly work in, say, a working specialty, you will be a working poor all your life and then a poor pensioner. If you survive until retirement ... My acquaintance went to Tan a few years ago, working either as an electrician or trucker, not a foot back here. We have feudal clan capitalism, the most primitive and the ugliest one. Forget about the development of the country and a decent life for the majority Citizens. Most incomes are falling, oligarchs and millers are growing ... What more proof do you need? !!!
  25. 0
    2 October 2019 17: 20
    I wonder how much compromising evidence in the CIA on all the oligarchs lies in readiness for use.
  26. 0
    3 October 2019 12: 08
    It is necessary to build an alley of oligarchs, something in the style of the hall of fame of the UFS)
  27. 0
    4 October 2019 13: 24
    Everywhere they stubbornly say that there is not enough specialists in the country, but I was convinced by my own example that this is not so. Open employer ads. There are no vacancies there for highly qualified specialists. Nobody is looking for them. There is no demand, no supply. Big business is just beginning to realize that the redistribution of property is over, that everything that can be stolen, billionaires have already seized their hands, and that something new can only be created by a specialist in his field, "effective managers" can only trade, they are not capable of creating something new in principle ...