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The US explained the desire of Ukraine to buy more "Javelins"

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The American anti-tank missile system (ATGM) FGM-148 Javelin, purchased by Ukraine from the United States, is capable of destroying almost all of the armored vehicles used by militias and the Russian army in the Donbass, so Ukraine needs as many of these complexes as possible. This statement was made by the author of an article published on the portal Popular Mechanics.


The US explained the desire of Ukraine to buy more "Javelins"


The Ukrainian army has already bought a batch of American anti-tank missile systems FGM-148 Javelin to confront the Russian army and militias in the Donbass and has recently requested the purchase of another batch of anti-tank systems. The American journalist wondered why this complex is what Ukraine wants to buy.

According to the author of the article, not only local militias are involved in the conflict in the east of Ukraine, but also the regular Russian army with its weapons and it is with this equipment that Ukrainian army units will have to face when Russian troops attack the Western countries. And in this case, American Javelin systems that can destroy Tanks T-90 and T-72 and infantry fighting vehicles BMP-2 and BMP-3, as well as other armored vehicles in service with the Russian Armed Forces.

Proper use, and Javelin is very easy to use, could mean the destruction of dozens of armored vehicles if Russian troops deployed west again. This can lead to a series of humiliating, demoralizing defeats of the Russian troops and their agents

- cites the publication statement of the author.

At present, the Ukrainian army is armed with 37 FGM-148 Javelin ATGM launchers and 210 missiles for them, purchased in the USA in 2018, the newspaper writes, but this is not enough to reflect Russia's possible invasion of Ukraine. However, against the backdrop of a scandal with US President Donald Trump, Washington could block the delivery of an additional shipment of ATGM data to Kiev in the near future.
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  1. Amateur
    Amateur 29 September 2019 07: 26
    +10
    This can lead to a series of humiliating, demoralizing defeats of the Russian troops and their agents


    National idea:
    I marvel at the thought of that thought:
    Why haven’t I stopped, why haven’t I been pouring?
    Why should I, God, never let krill be?
    I would leave the earth and go to heaven!
    1. Antares
      Antares 29 September 2019 08: 30
      +2
      Quote: Amateur
      National idea:
      I marvel at the thought of that thought:
      Why haven’t I stopped, why haven’t I been pouring?
      Why should I, God, never let krill be?
      I would leave the earth and go to heaven!

      first saw this poem in the book "Into the Sky"
      about Kiev Alexei Dubovik, who wanted to fly to the sky and became a pilot
      1. Sharky
        Sharky 29 September 2019 10: 58
        -7
        I marvel at the thought of that thought:
        Why haven’t I stopped, why haven’t I been pouring?
        Why should I, God, never let krill be?
        I would leave the earth and go to heaven!

        Why write in a foreign language? Write in Russian, or at least with a translation into Russian, so that you do not have to strain and re-read several times for understanding. I don’t write in English here, although I know him almost perfectly. Respect the Russian language!
        1. beeper
          beeper 29 September 2019 11: 43
          +2
          So, offhand, for Russian comrades, my translation winked (not entirely authentic, since, for example, the expression "I am guessing" is deeper in meaning than its literal or approximate Russian translation, well, in general, this poem carries a semantic load that is completely understandable, probably only to native speakers who were born and raised on Ukraine, which has absorbed all its atmosphere, like the same with many real poems in Russian or other languages, is it not for nothing that literary works are best read "in the original language" ?!) Shevchenko's lines known to every Ukrainian inhabitant:

          I look at the sky and think:
          Why am I not a falcon, why not fly?
          Why didn’t you give me wings?
          I would have left the earth and flew into the sky!
        2. certero
          certero 29 September 2019 11: 49
          +2
          Some kind of excessive snobbish comment you have
        3. svp67
          svp67 30 September 2019 05: 59
          -1
          Quote: Sharky
          Respect the Russian language!

          You know, this verse so often sounded in the USSR that it somehow causes not understanding among the inhabitants of that country ...
          Even Magomayev did not disdain their execution

          You still forbid Pesnyarov to listen ... the same ones haven’t always performed songs in Russian ... this is due to the fact that their artistic director and one of the performers was from the Urals ...
          1. Sharky
            Sharky 30 September 2019 06: 07
            -1
            You know, this verse so often sounded in the USSR that it somehow causes not understanding among the inhabitants of that country ...

            You see, that country is no longer unfortunately. You need to live today. Yes, after all, VO is not the site where we discuss old songs in languages, once from the same country. Note that I did not call for a ban, as you wrote above, but required a translation into Russian.
            As I understand it, the Uzbek language, which you can now constantly hear in every supermarket in Russia, is very warm for you?
            1. svp67
              svp67 30 September 2019 06: 14
              0
              Quote: Sharky
              As I understand it, the Uzbek language, which you can now constantly hear in every supermarket in Russia, is very warm for you?

              Quote: Sharky
              As I understand it, the Uzbek language, which you can now constantly hear in every supermarket in Russia, is very warm for you?

              You know, you obviously have some kind of "fad". Show me those supermarkets where Uzbek speech is constantly heard, near my house, I'll go listen ...
              1. Sharky
                Sharky 30 September 2019 06: 17
                -1
                In Tver, for example. Come and enjoy, only in Russian you will not be able to fully talk to them, because the USSR is no longer there.
                1. svp67
                  svp67 30 September 2019 06: 21
                  0
                  Quote: Sharky
                  In Tver, for example.

                  Ah ... Well, what can I say ... So I understand that the Tver talk filled all the supermarkets in Moscow, since it is almost inaudible at home, and the holy place is never empty
                  1. Sharky
                    Sharky 30 September 2019 06: 40
                    +1
                    that the Tver talk filled all the supermarkets in Moscow, since it is almost inaudible at home, and the holy place is never empty

                    I do not understand your arrogant tone. I don’t notice any difference in the “dialect” of Tver and Kaliningrad, just as I don’t hear the difference in pronunciation of guys from Murmansk and Chelyabinsk. A person from Sakhalin says “hang” instead of hang, there are no more differences in Russian speech.
                    1. svp67
                      svp67 30 September 2019 07: 03
                      -1
                      Quote: Sharky
                      I do not understand your arrogant tone.

                      Haughty ????? Get involved. I just wanted to say by this that the people of Tver go to work in Moscow, leaving their city to work for others and that's it ... And there’s nothing to invent here
                      Quote: Sharky
                      I don’t hear the difference in pronunciation of guys from Murmansk and Chelyabinsk.

                      Then you have something with a rumor ... people from different places of Russia are full of their words and differences in dialect. Especially since the Murmansk and Chelyabinsk residents ...
                      1. Sharky
                        Sharky 30 September 2019 08: 23
                        +1
                        Then you have something with a rumor ...

                        With a hearing, everything is fine with me, as a mechanic I check it once a year at a medical board. And you?
                        Working in a mixed carriage, I can easily distinguish Odessa or Lithuanian, but between the Russians there is no big difference in pronunciation, as you might think.
                        I heard you, you are fighting for the complete abolition of the examination for knowledge of the Russian language when obtaining citizenship of the Russian Federation. I believe that you need to respect and know the state language of the country in which you want to move.
                      2. svp67
                        svp67 30 September 2019 09: 17
                        0
                        Quote: Sharky
                        I heard you, you are fighting for the complete abolition of the examination for knowledge of the Russian language when obtaining citizenship of the Russian Federation.

                        Are you sure that your hearing is normal? I creep in doubt about the professionalism of the doctors of your commission ... Are you where and when did you hear this from me?
                        Quote: Sharky
                        Working in a mixed carriage, I can easily distinguish Odessa or Lithuanian,

                        And as a Filipino or Ethiopian, I understand without difficulty. Everything that you are telling is still echoes of the formation of the USSR, when everyone was taught the literary Russian language. But nevertheless, each locality has its own peculiarities, this is under the "mascot" "mascots", under the "cucking" Belarusians, under the "gagging" South Russian dialect, they nevertheless remained and no, yes, no, but they appear. I can judge this by myself. But there is also a bunch of words and concepts that are characteristic only of a certain area, as Dal told about it very well, you will have time to read it ... I think it will be interesting for you. It's called "Talk" ..., maybe then you will understand what I'm trying to explain to you
                        http://poesias.ru/proza/dal-vladimir/dal1003.shtml
                      3. Sharky
                        Sharky 30 September 2019 11: 22
                        0
                        You are one of those people who jump from one topic to another when there is nothing to cover. Lose the main message, twist the situation. Let me remind you the logical chain:
                        You rushed in with a comment here with the main message:
                        You know, this verse so often sounded in the USSR that it somehow causes not understanding among the inhabitants of that country ...
                        Even Magomayev did not disdain their execution

                        Also, without understanding my comment, they did not understand it, they suggested that I ban Pesnyarov, although this does not apply to my reasoning, to which I tactfully replied that I did not propose anything to ban. Did I explicitly hint to you that that country is no longer there (USSR), do you agree with this, or are you still living the day before yesterday?
                        For my part, it is logical to assume that if you are anxious about the time in the USSR and the songs of the Pesnyarov, then you should like the Uzbek language. After all, Uzbekistan was also part of the USSR.

                        Having not received any explanations for that correspondence, you immediately jumped to:
                        You know, you obviously have some kind of "fad".

                        A very transparent hint that does not carry a semantic load. Not responding to my comment.
                        Then, to put it mildly, you jumped off the topic of other languages ​​into spoken:
                        Ah ... Well, what can I say ... So I understand that the Tver talk filled all the supermarkets in Moscow

                        And yet, what side do you think of doctors or mediums? By writing this:
                        Are you sure that your hearing is normal? I creep in doubt about the professionalism of the doctors of your commission ...

                        How did you decide by correspondence, never talking to me or the doctors who checked my hearing that I had hearing problems? At the same time, without answering my question, about whether you check your hearing annually or not.
                        I heard you, you fight for

                        In this context, this means: I understand you. Young generation has such a slang, do not blame me.
                        You do not get very upset, not only you do not know how to build a logical chain in the story. This has been given to some, but not to others.
                        And I, as a person working with people from different countries and different ends of our country, do not need to talk about talking, etc. The conversation was originally not about this, you moved out on this topic, but to the point it does not apply.
    2. beeper
      beeper 29 September 2019 11: 50
      +2
      Was the original word "krill" -wings in Russian, and not "krila" -wings, as I remember from our Soviet school, did I remember it wrong ?!
      1. Sharky
        Sharky 29 September 2019 12: 32
        -2
        For the analysis of works of foreign poets, there are other sites that are not related to HE. And after the betrayal by the Ukrainians of the so-called Russian World (our civilization, our values), the choice of the European development vector with the admiration of LGBT people, etc. ... after 2014. Not wanting to deal with the invaders controlled by puppeteers from abroad (hat-house). Universal pandering to their interests and inciting ethnic hatred in Ukraine. Do not think that this language, which has become a stranger here, is admirable.
        1. beeper
          beeper 29 September 2019 14: 29
          +1
          Sharky, will you really decide who you mean by the word "Ukrainians" ?! smile
          After all, we have a MULTINATIONAL population living in Ukraine, and the "stoned" Natsiks and the "Ukrainian" klepto "w / Banderaites" who rule them are a minority, but they are in power, predominantly armed and aggressive, and, besides all the subordinate state "coercive apparatus" they are supported, with all their military, information-propagandistic and economic power, by the Washington invaders-colonizers of Ukraine and the "all-European" amerovassals!
          We, Ukrainians (in the sense, multinational Ukrainian residents), were captured and occupied by the United States in 2014, as a result of an ARMED "Euromaidan" coup d'etat! The "Maidan" ameromarionettes and compradors-kleptoligarchs brought to power by the invaders perform the functions of the occupation administration, they behave this way, look this way and talk like that!
          And you, Sharky, didn't you know this and, I see from your "instructions to the Ukrainians", are still in naive blissful ignorance ?!
          The fact that I am still on the Web, in spite of the Banderonazis, blather about it on Russian websites and VO is not at all my "merit", but only the "flaw" of the Bandera "basepack", which at any moment can (the corresponding equipment by the Americans already provided!) "calculate" such a "thought criminal" and forever "stop the disgrace" - on this account I have no illusions and Russians will not even hear my name anywhere, since 2014 many people have disappeared without a trace and for less is " Ukraine ", Sharky, no joke here now!
          Your "so-called" about our common Russian World characterizes you enough, despite the "patriotic" pathos broadcast by you, alas! request
          1. Sharky
            Sharky 29 September 2019 16: 04
            -2
            Here you are, specifically, what did you do besides demagogy "on the Internet" to throw off that oppression about which we wrote above? Gone to the Donbass, picked up a machine gun?
            You know how we say:
            Where there are many words, there is little wisdom.
            And:
            Every person in fact is cognized.
            So, the Maidan did not take place in my country, however, in addition to communicating here with you, I also help Donbass financially. Have you even sent a penny to the boys there even for cigarettes?
          2. Mic1969
            Mic1969 29 September 2019 18: 52
            -2
            Quote: pishchak
            "Ukrainian" klepto "w / Bandera" are a minority, but they are in power, predominantly armed and aggressive, and, in addition to all the subordinate state "coercive apparatus", they are supported, with all their military, informational, propaganda and economic power, by the Washington colonialists of Ukraine and "all-European" amerovassals!

            But they were not always armed and so aggressive. What did
            Quote: pishchak
            Ukrainians (in the sense, multinational Ukrainian residents)

            in order for the klepto "w / Bandera members not to become so aggressive and armed? What did you personally do? After all, all these were not brought to you from America, these are your children, your neighbors. Why were you waiting for 2014?"
  2. Victor_B
    Victor_B 29 September 2019 07: 27
    +2
    Pills from greed to the great ukram need to be prescribed!
    And more!
    MORE !!!
    1. Victor_B
      Victor_B 29 September 2019 07: 32
      +6
      Well, if seriously, then Javelin, apparently, is still a good modern technology.
      I don’t know how many modern complexes were presented to Ukraine, but in the case of real tank battles (God forbid!) The DNR / LNR soldiers will drink a lot of blood.
      I really hope that the miners have already "unearthed" modern Russian ATGMs in old mines. In marketable quantities.
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 29 September 2019 08: 18
        0
        Quote: Victor_B
        I really hope that the miners have already "unearthed" modern Russian ATGMs in old mines.

        Well, if you dig around properly, there are a lot of things you can find lol
        1. novel66
          novel66 29 September 2019 10: 45
          +5
          in the absence of aviation, no jewel will save the skakuas, they will beat hard, but carefully
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 29 September 2019 11: 06
            +4
            Quote: novel xnumx
            in the absence of aviation, no jewel will save the skakuas, they will beat hard, but carefully

            Judging by the photo at the beginning of the article, it was precisely on aviation that they were going to use it laughing hi
            1. novel66
              novel66 29 September 2019 11: 10
              +3
              it’s they, like dogs, the tail lift up from importance
              1. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin 29 September 2019 11: 20
                +3
                Quote: novel xnumx
                it’s they, like dogs, the tail lift up from importance

                Tail in front of the dog? belay
                Some kind of supersonic laughing
                1. novel66
                  novel66 29 September 2019 11: 22
                  +1
                  Yes, everything is wrong there ... lol
                  1. Lipchanin
                    Lipchanin 29 September 2019 11: 31
                    +3
                    So their creator created lol
                    1. novel66
                      novel66 29 September 2019 11: 55
                      +1
                      But aren't they themselves ??? request
                      1. sabakina
                        sabakina 29 September 2019 12: 21
                        +1
                        Roma, they generally do not understand where they came from. God is still in shock, for he had no plans for them. wink
                      2. novel66
                        novel66 29 September 2019 12: 34
                        +1
                        God can not do anything with them ??? belay
                      3. Lipchanin
                        Lipchanin 29 September 2019 12: 39
                        +1
                        Quote: novel xnumx
                        God can not do anything with them ???

                        Maybe until your hands reach? request
                      4. Lipchanin
                        Lipchanin 29 September 2019 12: 38
                        +1
                        Quote: sabakina
                        Roma, they generally do not understand where they came from.

                        They say they came from some kind of "centauri"
                        God is still in shock, for he had no plans for them. wink

                        Or maybe they had some other one there?
                        Hi hi
                      5. Lipchanin
                        Lipchanin 29 September 2019 12: 37
                        +1
                        Quote: novel xnumx
                        But aren't they themselves ???

                        I don't know anymore request
            2. cormorant
              cormorant 29 September 2019 13: 36
              0
              They are there to make them visible from the tank. Also marked in yellow to aim faster. laughing
            3. Avior
              Avior 29 September 2019 20: 25
              0
              no, it’s used just like that - they shoot up.
              then he attacks the tank from above.
              while the sight is right, as can be seen in the picture
      2. dvina71
        dvina71 29 September 2019 14: 38
        -2
        Quote: Victor_B
        Well, if seriously

        Seriously .. A lot of data on the successful use of the anti-tank systems of the USSR / RF, American TOU.Israeli Spikes .. Where and when Jav. showed their capabilities? Well, besides advertising? They are abundant among the Kurds .., but the kashkodav happened Contests (emnip) ... So where and when did J. mark themselves?
      3. Oleg (Kharkov)
        Oleg (Kharkov) 29 September 2019 15: 08
        +1
        Quote: Victor_B
        Well, if seriously, then Javelin, apparently, is still a good modern technology.

        if a full-scale invasion begins, the "Jewels" will not help.
        Yes, and the invasion will be preceded by art \ airstrike. If during the assault on Berlin, 41 Soviet guns and mortars were fired on the enemy, now the numbers will be higher
        plus everyone understands the lack of meaning in the invasion. 5 years have passed. The people of Ukraine are tired of "Victories". And from "Putin will attack" too.
        The cost of the rocket in the launch container is approaching $ 100 thousand in 2013 prices, and the cost of the command and launch unit is $ 126 thousand in 2002 prices, which makes Javelin the most expensive ATGM in the history of the creation and use of such systems. I do not believe that the United States will not take anything for this.
        I think the point is different. ATO has faded for a long time. attempts to inflate it are accepted, but somehow without enthusiasm. Perhaps the Kiev oligarchs agree with the oligarchs of the DNI to send an attack on the tank. Or two. This has already happened. One tank was driven in the direction of the positions of the Armed Forces, it was fired (like AGS-17). Active armor caught fire.
        The budget clerks rejoiced at the forums for two days. "SlavaUkrainili". The cautious questions of those doubting "how was the tank knocked out from the AGS?" They answered "you do not like Ukraine, you are not a patriot, you are a provocateur from the Russian Federation!" And they were banned forever
        I think the DPR will send two or three tanks, ostensibly in response to the shelling exactly where the position of the Jewels is. They (tanks) will be destroyed. And in the Armed Forces of Ukraine there will be a plot similar to the "feat of 28 Panfilov's men". that the brave calculation of the patriot Ibanko stopped Putin's tank wedges with the weapons of his American partners. so give me more money.
        And everyone is happy. The USA experienced PTRS in the field and they will take money from suckers, Kiev extra loans, Putin rating in the elections of 2024 - here it is, the threat of the West and Bandera! The oligarchs of the DPR also have their own profit. And the soldiers who died in tanks ... and who cares about their lives?
        I remembered: "Send. More Policemen!" from. from the movie "Return of the Living Dead"))))
    2. Andrey Chistyakov
      Andrey Chistyakov 29 September 2019 07: 36
      +3
      Quote: Victor_B
      Pills from greed to the great ukram need to be prescribed!
      And more!
      MORE !!!

      There’s such a saying-How many do not feed the toad, it will still strangle.
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 29 September 2019 08: 20
        +2
        Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
        No matter how much you feed the toad, it will still strangle you.

        This?
  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 29 September 2019 07: 33
    +3
    The Ukrainian army has already purchased a batch of American anti-tank missile systems FGM-148 Javelin
    I bought it, but they are under the control of American instructors and under the ban on the appearance on the demarcation line (front). Zelensky, expressing a desire to buy another batch, simply crouched in front of Trump with hope, and suddenly they would give at least a couple.
    This can lead to a series of humiliating, demoralizing defeats of the Russian troops
    Well, well - DUrak is getting richer in thought. Pink (blue) American dreams. It would be better to take care of the morale of their military.
    1. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU 29 September 2019 07: 45
      +5
      Quote: rotmistr60
      I bought it, but they are under the control of American instructors and under the ban on the appearance on the demarcation line (front

      As far as I know, they are generally stored in Poland, as in Ukraine they cannot create normal storage conditions in terms of safety and access to them. Sometimes it seems to me that the United States even trusts the Arabs in Iraq and the Pashtuns in Afghanistan when they transfer American weapons for use for the same money. This is the humiliation of Ukraine and a sign of a failed state. Only Somalia is worse.
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 29 September 2019 08: 22
        -3
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        that the United States even more trusts the Arabs in Iraq and the Pashtuns in Afghanistan when they transfer US weapons to them

        Those warehouses do not regularly ignite spontaneously
      2. Antares
        Antares 29 September 2019 08: 32
        -5
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        As far as I know, they are generally stored in Poland, as in Ukraine cannot create normal storage conditions in terms of safety and access to them

        it's fake. Recently trained with them again.
        and although the fake is not bad, it even works in Ukraine.
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        This is the humiliation of Ukraine and a sign of a failed state. Only Somalia is worse.

        Yes Yes. The information part of the fakes does not work for Ukraine.
      3. neri73-r
        neri73-r 29 September 2019 10: 39
        +2
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        Quote: rotmistr60
        I bought it, but they are under the control of American instructors and under the ban on the appearance on the demarcation line (front

        As far as I know, they are generally stored in Poland, as in Ukraine they cannot create normal storage conditions in terms of safety and access to them. Sometimes it seems to me that the United States even trusts the Arabs in Iraq and the Pashtuns in Afghanistan when they transfer American weapons for use for the same money. This is the humiliation of Ukraine and a sign of a failed state. Only Somalia is worse.

        Because one shot from a javelin on a collision line and among militias in mines there is such a thing .... And the Americans know about it.
  4. Thrifty
    Thrifty 29 September 2019 07: 38
    +1
    Such a publication as "popular mechanics" got into politics and questioned the professional suitability of its journalists, because there is no our army in the Donbass, javelin missiles are good only against stationary targets. Their armor penetration of 600 mm to modern Russian tanks will not cause serious damage, in addition, this missile can be shot down easily due to its low level of only 170 m / s. flight speed to the target. These missiles are needed for sale to the same militias, because for one such you can get a decent amount in dollars or euros.
    1. ssergey1978
      ssergey1978 29 September 2019 07: 43
      +4
      So it attacks from the top, and for the roof of the tank 600 mm as they say: Above the roof. Knocking down a rocket is certainly good, but not always at hand is what they shoot down with. IMHO
      1. Thrifty
        Thrifty 29 September 2019 08: 13
        0
        Sergei 1978 hi Is it extremely difficult to put dynamic protection on the roof and armored vehicles?
        1. ssergey1978
          ssergey1978 29 September 2019 10: 36
          0
          For mounting dynamic protection, the thickness of the armor must be at least 40 mm. otherwise, the protection itself will break it when triggered. Lattice weak protection.
        2. Xenofont
          Xenofont 29 September 2019 11: 17
          0
          Here the lattice will not help: warhead undermining occurs at a certain height.
      2. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 29 September 2019 08: 24
        -5
        Quote: ssergey1978
        Knocking down a rocket is certainly good, but not always at hand is what they shoot down with.

        Do you think that when the tanks go on the attack they will not have at hand all that is needed?
      3. dvina71
        dvina71 29 September 2019 14: 46
        -1
        Quote: ssergey1978
        So attacking from the top

        Prior to the attack, the shooters of J. Nado sneak in the line of sight of the target and wait for the capture to happen .. Doubtful pleasure ...
        Once again about the history of the creation of J.
        It was created in the midst of H.Voyna .. Then, in the view of NATO strategists, the WB offensive is BT waves .. and for technology in such waves of JJ. quite suitable. Since then, the detection tools have improved by an order of magnitude .. no one will attack with tank wedges ala 40e. It is aimed at the target in its direct line of sight ..- suicide. The future in the fight against BT is for high-speed, long-range missiles with high penetration ability or a land mine. This is the only way to ensure the non-recoverability of VET.
    2. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 29 September 2019 08: 08
      0
      ,, in bucks or euros ,,
      Or in fat.
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 29 September 2019 08: 25
        -4
        Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
        Or in fat

        So he was dropped belay lol
    3. Shuttle
      Shuttle 29 September 2019 08: 14
      0
      Quote: Thrifty
      Such a publication as "popular mechanics" got into politics and questioned the professional suitability of its journalists, because there is no our army in the Donbass, javelin missiles are good only against stationary targets. Their armor penetration of 600 mm to modern Russian tanks will not cause serious damage, in addition, this missile can be shot down easily due to its low level of only 170 m / s. flight speed to the target. These missiles are needed for sale to the same militias, because for one such you can get a decent amount in dollars or euros.

      Easy to knock down? What is this, for example?
      If tomorrow every Banderlog will have a Javelin, then the militia will have a very difficult time. At least until these toys are bought from the "opposite" side.
      About the setup and professionalism, too, in vain. Because for the Western reader, the theses on the Russian troops that have been handled and properly treated by the rest of the media are quite familiar and do not harm the reputation.
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 29 September 2019 08: 33
        +4
        Quote: Thrifty
        is it possible to put dynamic protection on the roof and is it extremely difficult to armor?

        He has a tandem warhead specifically for such matters, i.e. The leading charge blows away the defense, and the main charge breaks through.
      2. Nastia makarova
        Nastia makarova 29 September 2019 11: 21
        0
        Nothing in it is scary
    4. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 29 September 2019 08: 37
      +1
      Quote: Thrifty
      for in the Donbass there is no our army,

      But there is evidence
    5. Piramidon
      Piramidon 29 September 2019 09: 00
      +7
      Quote: Thrifty
      Such a publication as "popular mechanics" got into politics and questioned the professional suitability of its journalists, because there is no our army in the Donbass, javelin missiles are good only against stationary targets. Their armor penetration of 600 mm to modern Russian tanks will not cause serious damage, in addition, this missile can be shot down easily due to its low level of only 170 m / s. flight speed to the target. These missiles are needed for sale to the same militias, because for one such you can get a decent amount in dollars or euros.

      1. Thrifty
        Thrifty 29 September 2019 10: 56
        +1
        Pyramidon Stepan hi for a joke of my humor to you drinks good drinks ++++++!
  5. Kontrik
    Kontrik 29 September 2019 07: 44
    -5
    capable of destroying almost all of the armored vehicles used by the militia and the Russian army in the Donbass,

    Well, let's say ... And the Russian spirit, what will you destroy?
    1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
      SERGEY SERGEEVICS 29 September 2019 08: 04
      0
      Let us suppose..
      And how it will manifest itself.
      Russian spirit, what will you destroy?

      YES nothing, they can’t destroy it,
  6. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 29 September 2019 07: 54
    +6
    They rush with their "Dart" as with some kind of "miracle weapon". I don’t remember where such a weapon DECIDED the outcome of the hostilities. Belief in miracles is characteristic of defeated armies. Weak and poorly organized.
    Well ... Do they think that in the event of an incredible coincidence of circumstances (imagine the impossible!), The Russian army will advance WITHOUT artillery escort, without aviation? Is it stupid to make a breach in the defense with tanks? They do not think that Grady and Buratino will work out in the direction of the main attack, combat helicopters will "clean up" the near rear, and the massive use of tanks (not a company, and not a battalion, but a division) will immediately allow tanks and infantry fighting vehicles to enter the operational space , and then how to stop?
    1. Antares
      Antares 29 September 2019 08: 35
      -7
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      ) Will the Russian army advance without artillery escort, without aviation?

      Does anyone allow a total war?
      There they threw sanctions for a limited one (without aviation)
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 29 September 2019 08: 56
        +5
        Quote: Antares
        There they threw sanctions for a limited one (without aviation)

        Did Russia fight in the Donbass? Army? Volunteers are NOT an ARMY. And sanctions would have been anyway ...
        In any quantity ... They are simply "crushing" the Russian economy, and our "liberals" from the economy help them with all their might.
        1. Antares
          Antares 29 September 2019 10: 06
          -10
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          Did Russia fight in the Donbass? Army? Volunteers are NOT an ARMY

          yes, we know that this is all "ichtamnet" "mines" and "bought in the military department"
          Part of the war is informational cover. Especially when the militias were defeated, then they got unlimited resources, ready-made elements, and all that was needed. What did without them. As soon as they helped, immediately stop. We recorded the defeat of partners and back.
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          And sanctions would have been anyway ...

          until 2013, there were no capital sanctions and other serious sanctions. Europe, even for the Russian Federation, has always been in all trade and gas wars on the side of the Russian Federation.
          But Krymnash spun ...
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          In any quantity ... They are simply "crushing" the Russian economy, and our "liberals" from the economy help them with all their might.

          after 2013 the "liberasts" lost to the patriots. In addition, again "the king is good, the boyars are not very good"
          The same people are all close to the emperor that before 2013 (without sanctions) that after
          not the "Liberasts" business. And in politics. The "king" of changes wanted. Done.
          And sanctions help the economy, and everything, isn’t it?
          Logically, it was necessary from another 90 to immediately ask all the sanctions ...
      2. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 29 September 2019 09: 04
        -4
        Quote: Antares
        Does anyone allow a total war?

        And who will ban?
        There they threw sanctions for a limited one (without aviation)

        Are you tired of already talking about this scarecrow?
        1. Antares
          Antares 29 September 2019 10: 08
          -6
          Quote: Lipchanin
          And who will ban?

          yes there are all sorts of modest Swiss presidents ..
          Quote: Lipchanin
          Are you tired of already talking about this scarecrow?

          I’m not sure if sanctions are useful or not.
          They want to remove them very much, but people are told that they are useful. In general, they say that the whole world was ganged up on a Russian woman, we will tighten our belts and rally around the throne .. (the slogan of the Crimean War ..)
          1. Mountain shooter
            Mountain shooter 29 September 2019 10: 39
            +3
            Quote: Antares

            I’m not sure if the sanctions are useful, the roofing felts are not very

            To you, in general, to your own "censor" ... Such cliches are familiar wassat
          2. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 29 September 2019 10: 51
            -1
            Quote: Antares
            yes there are all sorts of modest Swiss presidents ..

            Aha. In Syria, baboons are banned by minus multiply
            In general, they say that the whole world took up arms against a Russian,


            And do not give out your dreams for reality
            1. sabakina
              sabakina 29 September 2019 12: 27
              +1
              Sergey, hi still throw a picture ....
              1. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin 29 September 2019 12: 41
                +1
                Quote: sabakina
                Sergey, I’ll throw a picture ....

                Thank you hi
                Yesterday I saw, I did not have time to copy
      3. 210ox
        210ox 29 September 2019 09: 35
        +3
        And it helped you a lot !? tongue crying
  7. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 29 September 2019 08: 07
    +4
    They walk, gather around the world ... ,, The strongest army of Geyropa ,,
    1. knn54
      knn54 29 September 2019 08: 12
      +1
      Therefore, one should not be surprised if "Javelins" appear among the anti-Assad opposition ..
      1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
        SERGEY SERGEEVICS 29 September 2019 08: 28
        0
        Quote: knn54
        Therefore, one should not be surprised if "Javelins" appear among the anti-Assad opposition ..

        Why wonder there? if, most likely, they are already there, in vain or something, minke whales, all this time they were helped.
  8. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
    SERGEY SERGEEVICS 29 September 2019 08: 09
    0
    The US explained the desire of Ukraine to buy more "Javelins"
    Now they will be pleased, they are their owners, with the next money, go already and the expiration date of the shells is ending, now they will be sacked to them under the guise.
  9. Rwmos
    Rwmos 29 September 2019 08: 24
    +1
    I didn’t understand one thing, but how is the purchase of the Javelins, who will be taken back to Poland, related to the fact that the dill does not stop being blown up on its own mines - and this is their main problem now?
  10. Strashila
    Strashila 29 September 2019 08: 32
    +1
    "The United States explained Ukraine's desire to buy more Javelins", this is not a desire, but an instruction ... to buy and not any nails.
  11. rocket757
    rocket757 29 September 2019 08: 33
    +3
    Empty - nonsense ..... nothing to discuss.
    1. cniza
      cniza 29 September 2019 08: 36
      +2
      Greetings! hi identically identified ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 29 September 2019 08: 56
        +1
        Welcome soldier
        There is nothing to guess, just count ....
        Empty fantasies of the "sofa expert".
  12. cniza
    cniza 29 September 2019 08: 36
    +4
    “Correct use, and Javelin is very easy to use, could mean the destruction of dozens of armored vehicles if Russian troops deployed west again. This can lead to a series of humiliating, demoralizing defeats of the Russian troops and their agents


    Somehow even to answer this nonsense is difficult ...
  13. aszzz888
    aszzz888 29 September 2019 08: 37
    +4
    Proper use, and Javelin is very easy to use, could mean the destruction of dozens of armored vehicles if Russian troops deployed west again. This can lead to a series of humiliating, demoralizing defeats of the Russian troops and their agents

    - cites the publication statement of the author.

    Well, just the same weapon of retaliation)) laughing and it will turn the tide of any war. We have seen what has already been promoted by zaluzhniki, as an example of the "patriots": the Saudis are still patching holes in their oil pipelines laughing
  14. Livonetc
    Livonetc 29 September 2019 08: 53
    +4
    The Russian army has gained serious experience and ample opportunity to defeat and clean up terrorists armed with a variety of Western weapons and flying different flags.
    The militants involved in terrorism and hiding behind the blackboard will not be an exception.
  15. APASUS
    APASUS 29 September 2019 09: 10
    +3
    Proper use, and Javelin is very easy to use, could mean the destruction of dozens of armored vehicles if Russian troops deployed west again. This can lead to a series of humiliating, demoralizing defeats of the Russian troops and their agents

    The Americans have directly won the war on paper. Not the ATGM, but the weapon of retaliation
  16. Agronom
    Agronom 29 September 2019 09: 52
    +5
    The outskirts do not need "Javelins", but to correct their brains .. What kind of perverted mind and greed is needed to bring a rich (after the collapse of the USSR) territory to such a miserable state? Already modern weapons, Ukraine was literally stuffed at that time with Tank Plants, rocketry, shipbuilding, etc. Ekarny babbay, you hoh s, surpassed all the nations in the world in greed and marauder .. soldier
  17. Jarserge
    Jarserge 29 September 2019 11: 23
    0
    Only recently, the press received a message that the US military had all previously provided Javelin to Ukraine taken to Poland, to an American military base. Yes, and it is unclear why such a fuss around the generally ordinary anti-tank complex
  18. certero
    certero 29 September 2019 11: 50
    +1
    The Javelins have never been used in real combat. Unlike Russian pturs.
    How good they are is still unknown.
    1. cat Rusich
      cat Rusich 29 September 2019 23: 34
      0
      Javelins were used in Iraq in 2001 during the invasion. As far as I remember, the US reconnaissance and sabotage detachment (I don’t remember the kind of troops) destroyed a column of Iraqi armored vehicles (probably more than 10), and were ambushed. hi
      1. cat Rusich
        cat Rusich 30 September 2019 00: 55
        -1
        I apologize for the invasion of Iraq in 2003 at the same time and applied Javelin. Destroyed a column of Iraqi armored vehicles from an ambush. hi hi
        1. certero
          certero 30 September 2019 01: 07
          0
          You already decide what year :)
          However, there are no tales about that invasion of dofig, only a single video about the use of javelin in battle. Unlike cornets and other gabon.
  19. monah
    monah 29 September 2019 12: 10
    0
    I live in Ukraine for more than 60 years (minus 20+) military service and n
  20. monah
    monah 29 September 2019 12: 10
    0
    I live in Ukraine for more than 60 years (minus 20+) military service and n
  21. monah
    monah 29 September 2019 12: 10
    0
    I live in Ukraine for more than 60 years (minus 20+) military service and n
  22. Lexus
    Lexus 29 September 2019 15: 28
    -1
    Elementary, in order to sell something, you first need to buy this "something". Or shit.
  23. Tutashkhia date
    Tutashkhia date 30 September 2019 07: 33
    0
    "Is this really Javelin?" - asked the Ukrainian, dropping to his knees.
    - "Exactly, exactly," - the American assured him, unbuttoning his fly - "Do not be distracted."