"We are defenseless against submarines of the Russian Federation" - in Poland they called to improve the submarine fleet

The Polish Ministry of Defense received reports from the initiative group of the Jagiellonian University about the need to strengthen the country's defense capabilities at sea. Experts in their appeal to the head of the military department note that it is necessary to restore the submarine Orzeł ("Oryol") and purchase another one with the possible start of construction at Polish shipyards.

The Orzeł submarine was built in the 1985 year in the Soviet Union. In 1986, it was handed over to the Polish naval forces. The base of the submarine, which was named after the submarine of the 1938 model of the year, was Gdynia. In 2016, reports began to arrive that the Polish submarine allegedly allowed a collision with the Russian submarine Krasnodar. The repair of the Orzeł submarine began, at one stage of which a fire broke out on the submarine. The boat received significant damage.

An appeal to the Ministry of Defense was signed by Professor Lukas Kister. According to him, "We are defenseless against submarines of the Russian Federation, and the Orzeł submarine at that moment is also immobilized in the port."

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Workers would have fixed the submarine long ago, but so far they are waiting for instructions from the Ministry of Defense and the allocation of funds.

The university said the situation could be changed by the purchase of "at least a used submarine."

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And the Ministry of National Defense, in connection with unresolved budgeting issues, postponed the implementation of the project to acquire new submarines for the period after the 2023 year (...) And while the Polish section of the Baltic simply has nothing to protect from Russian ships. We need to improve the fleet, including the submarine.

Further, the university group offers the so-called "road map". The first thing they say is to restore Orzeł. Second: introduce a software solution for the prospects of underwater fleet. Third: start building new submarines at Polish shipyards.

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[Pedrodepackes]

The first thing they say is to restore Orzeł. Second: introduce a software solution for the prospects of the submarine fleet. Third: start building new submarines at Polish shipyards.

the Polish submarine allegedly made a collision with the Russian submarine Krasnodar. The repair of the Orzeł submarine began, at one stage of which a fire broke out on the submarine. The boat received significant damage.

and, for starters, learn to handle such a complex structure as a modern submarine they don’t want?

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

By the way, in relation to Captain I rank Igor Martemyanov (from April 2012 to November 2017 years he headed the Kronstadt division of submarines) and captain II rank Denis Sopin, who was the commander of the Krasnodar crew from September 2014 to October 2016, criminal charges were instituted. business. The Leningrad District Military Court decided to recover from Denis Sopin (before that he commanded the submarine Alrosa), who led the dangerous maneuvering of the submarine, 12 million rubles, and from the senior aboard Igor Martemyanov, who checked the work of the boat commander, 5 million rubles. In recovering the remaining 16 million rubles. the court of the Ministry of Defense refused, having ruled that this amount should be covered by funds allocated to the military department from the federal budget. The recovery from Igor Martemyanov was the subject of litigation at the military collegium of the Supreme Court. Turning to her, Martemyanov pointed out that the court of first instance when determining the amount of the penalty did not fully take into account the fact that he is retired, does not work, is a disabled person of the third group due to illnesses received during the military service, is dependent two minor children, and also pays a loan to the bank.
The representative of the Ministry of Defense opposed the reduction of claims, and the military collegium rejected the complaint of the officer. According to the FSSP database, the department of bailiffs in the Kronstadt and Kurortny districts of St. Petersburg collects from Igor Martemyanov in the amount of 5 million rubles. according to the writ of execution issued on 21 of March of this year by the Leningrad District Military Court.

[sabakina]

Aristarkh Ludwigovich, why this fly in the ointment?

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

An emergency with a submarine was the last straw; almost the entire leadership of the Baltic Fleet was dismissed. Almost 50 people were removed from their posts for neglecting their duties, and Fleet Commander Admiral Viktor Kravchuk was generally dismissed from the army. As for the recovery of damage in the Soviet Union for damage to military equipment and property, the officers paid, but they were reasonable and proportionate to the income of military payments. For example, a soldier paid several salaries or lost bonus payments, and the rest was compensated by the state.

[Cat man null]

Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich

For example, a soldier paid several salaries ...

... three, as a rule. Three is a lucky number.

Come in PM, I'll tell you ... about "three salaries"

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Aristarkh Ludwigovich, did you investigate this stolen case? .. Are you a military judge? .. Or do you just like to crap in the media? ..

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Yes, I actually took the information from the media.
https://flotprom.ru/2016/219347/
https://flotprom.ru/2016/219663/
https://vpk.name/news/283266_nedoglyadeli_kapitanyi_zaplatili_za_avariyu_podlodki.html

[AnpeL]

in Poland called to improve the submarine fleet

Well, now the great naval power (in this case, the great underwater) will tear everyone

[seregatara1969]

it’s time to decide already - by land we will attack Poland or the bottom of the Baltic.

[ver_]

...what for ?...

[depressant]

Prospects: submarine Polish boat in the steppes of Ukraine.

[Sky strike fighter]

Further, the university group offers the so-called “road map”. The first thing they say is to restore Orzeł. Second: introduce a software solution for the prospects of the submarine fleet. Third: start building new submarines at Polish shipyards.

Well, there’s nothing for Poland. It’s just starting to build new submarines. It’s so simple. The French have been building their Barracudas for almost a quarter century.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: depressant

Prospects: submarine Polish boat in the steppes of Ukraine

Yes, and let them build, what difference does it make to us. Tired of Russia, the ambitiousness of the lords for the fifth time will be the division of Poland.

[Alex Nevs]

and in the Belarusian sea too ...

[sabakina]

Psheki, why do you need a submarine? There, an aircraft carrier is sold for a million! Take it before it's too late!

[Chaldon48]

And then there you can arrange a grand kozino. What income will be!

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Chaldon48

And then there you can arrange a grand kozino.

It's right! Precisely - "kozino". Collect a trough of all the goats and their partners for this and flood in some hollow ...

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

,, Psheki, why do you need a submarine ?,
They will carry apples to Novorossiysk for sale. Sanctions...:-)

[tihonmarine]

Quote: sabakina

There, an aircraft carrier is sold for a million! Take it before it's too late!

And in a year Poland, like Ukraine, will go "around the world with a hat" and will beg for alms.

[kit88]

Yes, and now they are in subsidies

[Lexus]

The prevailing depth in the Baltic is 51 meters. Where are the "pelodki" going to act?

[KVU-NSVD]

Quote: lexus

The prevailing depth in the Baltic is 51 meters. Where are the "pelodki" going to act?

And where did our boats operate in WWII? Where do they operate now? There will also be Poles (well, if they still will)

[Lexus]

And where did our boats operate in WWII?

Since then, the capabilities of detection means "flew into space."

Where do they operate now?

At the pier are most of the service.

[KVU-NSVD]

Quote: lexus

Since then, the capabilities of detection means "flew into space."
Г

Therefore, in terms of providing submarines to the Baltic Fleet under the last number, now only one boat is assigned there.

At the pier are most of the service.

See paragraph one. But the Poles have the opportunity to arrange swimming with show-offs (and their desire to have submarines is show-off) only in the Baltic, so let grandmas spend whatever they want

[sabakina]

Quote: KVU-NSVD

And where did our boats operate in WWII?

Nowhere. The Baltic Kriegsmarine was locked for us. Only the Northern Fleet acted in full force.

[KVU-NSVD]

Vyacheslav, do not be categorical. Look how the networks overcame and how they acted.

[16329]

Germans and Finns locked the Baltic Sea from mid-1942 to mid-1944, until the summer of 1942, our boats operated on communications between Germany and Sweden, but much is known about 1945, for example, Gustlov, Goya, etc.

[Chaldon48]

They are not immersed in their one kind of fear will catch up!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: lexus

The prevailing depth in the Baltic is 51 meter.

Well, from 50 meters you can still surf through the torpedo tube. They figure out what's what.

[Prisoner]

They will make it flat, they will call it "Flounder" and will crawl in the compartments.

[Lexus]

"Cancer" will be called. Not "Cancer", but "Cancer", in honor of the historical posture of "great dignity". Well deserved, though. And they will move in the compartments in the corresponding statutory way.

[Sky strike fighter]

"We are defenseless against the submarines of the Russian Federation" - in Poland they called to improve the submarine fleet.

You are defenseless against many types of weapons that are in service with Russia, far from just submarines alone. So it’s better not to rock the boat.

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

the situation could be changed by the purchase of "at least a used submarine".

I can even tell, in all seriousness, the Poles - where to buy. In Ukraine, there is just one such second-hand one, since this Ukrainian submarine, having become Polish, will certainly not pass a single submarine from Russia through the Baltic-Black Sea channel !!! Yes, and you can buy it by barter - for Polish apples. Let the Polish farmers rejoice)))

[paul3390]

Truly fraternal peoples - some have the hope of the fleet of Orzeł, others have Zaporizhzhya ... In the same state ...

[Rurikovich]

Quote: paul3390

Truly fraternal peoples - some have the hope of the fleet Orzeł, others have Zaporizhzhya ..

We do not have Although Bulbyandia, according to the US State Department, is a sea power

[AlexVas44]

"We are defenseless against Russian submarines"

So for this it is necessary, as I understand it, to create anti-submarine forces, and not submarines.

[Kontrik]

There will be a special conversation with Poland and Ukraine .. Not that they worry! \

In vain you bet on the Jewish USA made ..

[Meliodous]

Well, why this pathos?

[Kontrik]

Quote: Meliodous

Well, why this pathos?

I don’t know, my soul hurts. Maybe some of the young ones will read and think (looking up from their mobile phones)
This is the cry of the Russian soul

[serg.shishkov2015]

I myself am not a young man for 48 years, but really liked it! Thank!

[SovAr238A]

Why do some obscure opuses from the Polish press pass off as reality?
Some university group made a statement.
A couple of teachers and seven students?

You already begin to pick out news from a nose?

let's start with American forums (similar to Topvar) pull out messages from Urya-Americans or "prosvsepolymerschikov" start writing "America will destroy China and Russia by forces of only Indians from 82 divisions"
There are immeasurably the same idiots thoughtlessly extolling their weapons and their leaders - take their post texts and publish as news.

[Ros 56]

Well, why only in front of the boats, you Poles are generally defenseless, since you have stress with your brains.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Well, why only in front of the boats, you Poles are generally defenseless, since you have stress with your brains.

Do not generalize, firstly this is ugly, and secondly incorrect, among the Poles there are a lot of smart and brave people, for example, the USSR Marshal Rokossovsky.

But for some reason they really are not lucky with politicians on a regular basis))) Constantly Polish politicians are looking for a conflict with Russia, which affects Poland in the most negative way.

[Ros 56]

These "brave and smart" can only fight with monuments and spit in the backs of those who died for their release from death, and there is no need to protect them, we are talking about the country, not about individuals. By the way, and politicians, apparently aliens regularly bring them in? Or do they choose them themselves?

[Old26]

Quote: Pedrodepackes

and, for starters, learn to handle such a complex structure as a modern submarine they don’t want?

Well, unlike Zaporozhye, it is not welded to the pier. And it was used for quite a long time (from 1986 to 2014). But the boat is almost 35 years old. And she did not undergo repairs in Russia

Quote: paul3390

Truly fraternal peoples - some have the hope of the fleet of Orzeł, others have Zaporizhzhya ... In the same state ...

The Poles are in the best condition

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Old26, you are laughing in vain. PL ,, Zaporizhia ,, and Polish ,, Orzet '' have long been of interest ..
For scrap buyers ..

[Charik]

is it 877 ecm?

[Old26]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

Old26, you are laughing in vain. PL ,, Zaporizhia ,, and Polish ,, Orzet '' have long been of interest ..
For scrap buyers ..

Zaporozhye - yes. About "Eagle" is not so simple. The repair dragged on from 2014 to 2018, and although the operational readiness of the boat raises questions from the Polish media, it is nevertheless in service. A year ago, she worked out elements of combat training at sea.
And the Poles have a boat of a completely different generation than the Zaporozhye. The "Zaporozhye" left in Crimea is 641 projects. Polish - 877 projects.

Quote: Charik

is it 877 ecm?

No, project 877E

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Polish military ambitions cause nothing but laughter)))

They have been building a series of corvettes pr.621 "Grach" since 2009, they wanted to have as many as 7 pieces, after 10 years of efforts they built a patrol ship, which seems to be not even in service yet)))

Now they wanted DEPL, otherwise these Russians will attack as they jump out of the water as 33 heroes and uncle Chornomor out of the water and capture all of Poland))).

Diesel-electric submarines of the "Varshavyanka" type cost under $ 300 million, despite the fact that the series is large, more expensive than a corvette by $ 50 million.

Soon Polish politicians will leave Poles without pants))).

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Polish military ambitions cause nothing but laughter

In vain ... Enemies need to be taken seriously, even to ones such as arrogant Poles.
Maybe a better look at the facts? And the facts are as follows:
They have already announced the base for the US expeditionary forces with payment for (2 lard greens!) Of the contingent. At the town of Redzikovo, in 150 km from Gdansk, the base of the American missile defense system was installed, which should be put into operation by the end of the 2020 year. They are going to buy F-35, and the Swedish A-26 type submarines with a KR on board ... The Abramov Mk-1A7 tank battalion was deployed at the borders with the Kaliningrad region on an ongoing basis ... Autotrackers are constantly being built to the border, and with concrete sections in pairs km ... Does this not tell you anything?
Well, are you still "funny"? ...

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

The missile defense base, as well as the airfields to which reinforcements can fly, as well as the railway junctions of Poland under the gunpoint of the Iskander Kaliningrad Region and the Caliber of the Baltic Fleet.

Let them pay for the NATO base, spend less money on the development of their economy, and the battalion of tanks is clearly not a threat to Russia.

Buy F-35 is not enough, they also need to be serviced and all this is very very not cheap. More than sure that in a few years, most of the F-35 will be chained to the ground due to lack of money for spare parts.

Poland's ambitions are huge, but the output is just "zilch"))).

Poland the whole country could not build a single corvette, but also wants to be the mistress of the sea))).

[Zeev Zeev]

"Thyssen-Krupp" to help them with U-212A.

[Sky strike fighter]

What kind of weapons are there? In the same place, in my opinion, there is no CD for striking the ground.

[Zeev Zeev]

There is much in the world, friend Horatio ...

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

"Thyssen-Krupp" to help them with U-212A.

Such are the capabilities of the U-212A. And in my opinion, the possibility of carrying RCC Harpoon sub has not yet been indicated here. (to launch from submarines).

The length of the U-212A project submarine is 55,9 m, the maximum diameter is 7 m, the surface displacement is 1509 tons, the speed in the underwater position is more than 16 knots, the crew is 27 people. Armament is 12 anti-ship torpedoes DM 2A4 "Black Shark".

https://dasein-u-boot.livejournal.com/28549.html

[grigorii]

There is a good opportunity to buy used. A submarine in Ukraine. It will greatly help them from the threat of Russia in protecting their damned country.

[petrol cutter]

I honestly hear about the submarine forces of Poland for the first time.
But even if the NDP builds submarines tomorrow ... God forgive them, crews and appropriate infrastructure are needed. Otherwise, it is useless pieces of iron.
For some reason, they constantly forget about this. Commentators on our site including.
For some reason, people think that they built a boat or an aircraft carrier, and there he goes somewhere to himself. Lives his life. I'm afraid not. So it’s not a ride. To put it mildly...

[Geo]

Varshavyanka is even called patriotic for them - why not buy?

[kit88]

Well, yes they’ll fix the boat, you can go on a hike to Moscow.

[Fantazer911]

The Poles can buy a boat from their neighbors, Ukraine will sell it not expensive, just a used one and in addition to an aircraft carrier, where the f-35 there must also be an aircraft carrier

[Vkd dvk]

The acquisition of the Ukrainian "Zaporozhye" will change the situation in the Baltic Sea. Throw off, chtoli a ruble, tear off this iron from the Russian coast and help the pshek to strengthen their submarine fleet? Until they got torn there, you need to help.

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: Geo

Varshavyanka is even called patriotic for them - why not buy?

Didn't they smell it? Assist "Zaporozhye" to drag to them. Let them amuse themselves.

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: BoA KAA

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Polish military ambitions cause nothing but laughter

In vain ... Enemies need to be taken seriously, even to ones such as arrogant Poles.
Maybe a better look at the facts? And the facts are as follows:
They have already announced the base for the US expeditionary forces with payment for (2 lard greens!) Of the contingent. At the town of Redzikovo, in 150 km from Gdansk, the base of the American missile defense system was installed, which should be put into operation by the end of the 2020 year. They are going to buy F-35, and the Swedish A-26 type submarines with a KR on board ... The Abramov Mk-1A7 tank battalion was deployed at the borders with the Kaliningrad region on an ongoing basis ... Autotrackers are constantly being built to the border, and with concrete sections in pairs km ... Does this not tell you anything?
Well, are you still "funny"? ...

Can we stop them from doing this? No, most likely. Can we slam it all down when we need it? We can. As there is in the old Jewish joke- "What are you awake, Moisha? -Tomorrow I have to pay my neighbor a debt. Sarah knocks on the wall. Abram, tomorrow Moisha will not give you money. Sleep, Moisha, let Abram not sleep now." Let them toss and turn there. All the same, they will be a khan, if that.

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: Meliodous

Well, why this pathos?

To remember such bastards as you. We’ll come and ask. Most certainly.