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In China: Russian military education system out of stagnation

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The Chinese press published material that talks about the training system for future officers in Russian universities.




The author first notes that "the Russian military education system has come out of stagnation." So, Chinese readers are told that over the course of several years, a number of military educational institutions in Russia experienced total reductions: universities or individual faculties either disbanded or merged with each other. It is also added that in some military specialties, enrollment for several years in the Russian Federation stopped altogether. In the Russian version of this was the loud name of "optimization".

In the Chinese press, referring to the data of the Russian Ministry of Defense, they say that now in many areas the previous volumes of the recruitment of cadets have been restored.

From the material in the Chinese press:

This year, more than 17 thousand cadets (sergeants and officers) graduated from Russian military educational institutions, including graduates of specialized secondary educational institutions. This shows that after many years of stagnation or even regression, Russian military education is reviving past positions, which were largely lost.

It is also noted that many Chinese troops have previously undergone training at Russian military universities, including additional training on the operation of Russian weapons purchased for the needs of the PLA.

It is noteworthy that problems with Russian military education were paid attention even abroad.
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  1. Livonetc
    Livonetc 27 September 2019 07: 27
    +5
    A vivid childhood memory of the early eighties was a visit to the Ryazan Higher Airborne School.
    Most of all I remember the beautiful dining room of the school, where we were fed a very tasty cadet lunch. smile
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 27 September 2019 08: 14
      +3
      Vivid childhood memory
      late sixties, on TV show how the Chinese chase sparrows and put blast furnaces in the yards. But now about forty years have passed and China is already flying into space, has aircraft carriers, its own auto industry. And Russia is rapidly falling down.
      1. Mestny
        Mestny 27 September 2019 08: 30
        -1
        Swiftly only in the heads of your co-religionists.
        Any state has periods of going down and going up. And only you all the time keep repeating that we all are finished, and it will come just now.
        Repeat as a mantra, as does the USA with its slaves. But it does not perish and perish.
        1. snake
          snake 27 September 2019 09: 37
          +1
          Quote: Mestny
          Any state has periods of going down and going up.

          You have given rather weak arguments. It was necessary to go with the trump cards - "it was worse in the 90s." You do not seem to understand the spirit of the times. In our age of speeds, "periods of descent downward" can easily turn into an uncontrolled fall. Putin understands the essence of the epoch, and that is why he repeats every time: There is no time to swing. True, his calls are like peas against a wall, but this is a separate song.
          Quote: Mestny
          But it does not perish and perish.

          Like the West, everything does not rot, and Ukraine does not freeze.
          1. NEOZ
            NEOZ 27 September 2019 11: 54
            -1
            Quote: serpent
            Like the West, everything does not rot,

            Europe (Paris for example) of the 2005 model and Europe of the 2019 model are two big differences!
            Quote: serpent
            Ukraine does not freeze.

            since 2014, Ukraine has reduced the temperature standards during the heating period, first from 22C to 20C, then from 20C to 18C .... and then to 16C .... I also ask you to pay attention to the shutdown of heating in April and inclusion only at the end of October .....
            1. snake
              snake 27 September 2019 12: 36
              -2
              Quote: NEOZ
              Europe (Paris for example) of the 2005 model and Europe of the 2019 model are two big differences!

              At what plan? In terms of migrants? Yes, you go through Moscow. 4 million Muslims were counted in the capital.
              (https://www.gazeta.ru/social/2019/09/22/12669085.shtml)
              Quote: NEOZ
              since 2014, Ukraine has reduced the temperature standards during the heating period, first from 22C to 20C, then from 20C to 18C .... and then to 16C .... I also ask you to pay attention to the shutdown of heating in April and inclusion only at the end of October .....

              The Sumerians completely freeze ... But in Russia, for your information, heating is turned on at a mark of + 8 ° C. And, given the vast territory of our country, on average, too, somewhere in October, they start heating houses.
              (https://ptoday.ru/novosti-i-sobytiya/kogda-nachnjotsja-otopitelnyj-sezon-v-2019-godu-daty-nachala-teplovogo-obogreva-v-rossii-v-2019-2020-godu/)
              So we live ... In the West they predict the collapse of Russia, we promise to end the West. People hawl; politicians are gaining a rating; propagandists are furious. It seems that everyone is busy, it seems that everyone has something to talk about. Well, or yell, as they do on the Solovyov, Skabeeva show, etc.
              1. NEOZ
                NEOZ 27 September 2019 14: 37
                -1
                Quote: serpent
                At what plan? In terms of migrants?

                in terms of the number of beggars and the amount of dirt on the streets.
                in terms of energy saving and water consumption.
                Quote: serpent
                heating include at a mark of + 8C °

                Yes, only in Russia the norm is 22C and not 16 !!!!
                Quote: serpent
                That's how we live...

                Having followed your link, I didn’t see anything of which you can become discouraged.
                Quote: serpent
                In the West, predict the collapse of Russia

                and work on it!
                Quote: serpent
                we promise the end of the West

                and work on it!
                Quote: serpent
                People hawl; politicians are gaining a rating; propagandists are furious. It seems that everyone is busy, it seems that everyone has something to talk about. Well, or yell, as they do on the Solovyov, Skabeeva show, etc.

                I do not understand why you are not happy?
                1. snake
                  snake 27 September 2019 16: 03
                  -2
                  Quote: NEOZ
                  in terms of the number of beggars and the amount of dirt on the streets.
                  in terms of energy saving and water consumption.

                  And what about the poor and energy savings? Also, how do we overdue from garbage containers and the rates of housing and communal services are predatory?
                  Quote: NEOZ
                  Yes, only in Russia the norm is 22C and not 16 !!!!

                  I brought you a link. There Russian in white: turning on the heating at a temperature of 8 degrees.
                  1. NEOZ
                    NEOZ 28 September 2019 11: 11
                    0
                    Quote: serpent
                    Housing and communal services tariffs predatory?

                    not that word! just predatory!
                    Quote: serpent
                    inclusion of heating at a temperature of 8 degrees.

                    I don’t understand why in this link this? Yes, in the Russian Federation they include heating at an average daily temperature of 8 degrees, well? what are you not happy with?
                    1. snake
                      snake 28 September 2019 11: 45
                      -3
                      Quote: NEOZ
                      not that word! just predatory!

                      Payment of housing and communal services in France 3000-12000 rubles.
                      (https://zen.yandex.ru/media/crisis/skolko-francuzy-platiat-za-jile-i-uslugi-jkh-5bb2629e9f3bb400aa409415)
                      In Russia, an average of 3000-5000 rubles.
                      The minimum wage in France ~ 105000 rubles. The minimum wage in Russia is 11280 rubles.
                      Quote: NEOZ
                      Yes, in the Russian Federation they include heating at an average daily temperature of 8 degrees, well? what are you not happy with?

                      What does it mean / not satisfied with? It's just that Ukraine, with its 16th degree, is far from freezing, about which propaganda rubs us.
                      1. NEOZ
                        NEOZ 28 September 2019 13: 52
                        0
                        Quote: serpent
                        Payment of housing and communal services in France 3000-12000 rubles.

                        but this site writes about other numbers !!!!!
                        (https://credits.ru/publications/218976/stoimost-zhkh-v-raznyh-stranah/)
                        it's not about the numbers.
                        the matter is in the dynamics of consumption, and a decrease in living standards in Europe is visible.
                        but living standards in Europe are still much higher than in Russia.
                      2. snake
                        snake 28 September 2019 15: 09
                        -5
                        But on this site (which is about France and about money) they write that for a month 100-150 euros.
                        (https://dengi.fr/skolko-stoit-ownership-kvartiroj-vo-francii)
                        Plus, do not forget that gas in France is imported.
                        As for Ukraine, their winter is not as cold as in Russia, and certainly they will not freeze at 16 degrees.
                      3. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 2 October 2019 12: 06
                        +1
                        Quote: serpent
                        But on this site (which is about France and about money) they write that for a month 100-150 euros

                        This, if you read to the first digit ... if to the end, then like this:
                        + 20 Euro / month for electricity
                        + 20 Euro / month for gas
                        + 50 Euro / month for TV + internet
                        + 600 Euro / year - apartment tax
                        + 900 Euro / year - apartment tax
                        + from 200 euro / year - apartment insurance (it is mandatory there)

                        Total "by item" = 350 - 400 euros / month. And not 100 - 150 in any way. Buddy request
                      4. snake
                        snake 2 October 2019 22: 28
                        -1
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        Total "by item" = 350 - 400 euros / month. And not 100 - 150 in any way. Buddy

                        Gran Merci, that corrected, Monsieur. Really decent rates. But still, not like ours - half the minimum wage, or even more.
                        And it wasn’t too lazy for you to delve into the commentary five days ago. However! You’re seriously serious here on the site, keep your finger on the pulse. I would have so much free time.
                      5. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 2 October 2019 22: 36
                        0
                        Quote: serpent
                        Gran mercy that corrected, monsieur

                        It's my pleasure. Contact if that wink

                        Quote: serpent
                        But still not like ours

                        Well, that's classic. Good where you are not (s) laughing

                        Quote: serpent
                        I would have so much free time

                        It is a sin to envy. And, look - dreams have one harmful property - they sometimes come true. Well, you will howl a beluga, if it comes true yes
                    2. snake
                      snake 28 September 2019 12: 06
                      -4
                      In Ukraine, heating is turned on almost according to the same criteria as in our country. Namely: at an average daily temperature of +8 for 3 consecutive days. Here, in the "energy superpower", you need to wait 5 (five) days. That's all you need to know about Ukraine, which is "freezing" every year.
                      1. NEOZ
                        NEOZ 28 September 2019 13: 48
                        +1
                        Quote: serpent
                        In Ukraine, heating is turned on by almost the same criteria

                        Of course, only we have the norm 22C, and in Ukraine 16C ....
      2. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 27 September 2019 08: 30
        +2
        Show the Chinese achievements of the 50s (sparrows and home blast furnaces) and could in the late 60s. And in the late 60s, the Great Kormchiy, who had lost his mind, organized provocations on Damansky and on Lake Zhalanashkol. At this time, he made nuclear weapons and was very proud.
    2. orionvitt
      orionvitt 27 September 2019 12: 56
      0
      Quote: Livonetc
      delicious cadet lunch

      And I, memories from childhood, also remained. When the Germans came to school, it was delicious. When to the barracks, not really. It always was, after an excursion to Treptow Park.
  2. rocket757
    rocket757 27 September 2019 07: 38
    +7
    In the Russian version of this was the loud name of "optimization".

    As soon as this "magic" word optimization appears somewhere, write lost !!!
    So I want all these economists, optimizers, shorteners to .... something to plant! Without - my - evil tribe, very dangerous to that!
    It will take a long time to disentangle the "actions" of the previous ones, so the next wave is already rolling in! We would have to SURVIVE after that .... although, the best defense is an attack ... can we really sharpen something specifically and dig in on the place of execution ??? for edification and reminder ...
    1. bessmertniy
      bessmertniy 27 September 2019 07: 47
      +3
      Unfortunately, not only our military education, but also secondary schools, special and higher education, postgraduate studies, a system of increasing competencies in science, etc., are going through decline. Much in education needs to be reanimated, and a lot must be implemented in order to stay ahead of other countries in training specialists that our country needs in all spheres of life. hi
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 27 September 2019 08: 23
        +5
        Quote: bessmertniy
        Unfortunately, not only our military education, but also

        Unfortunately, the upper, everyone and everyone who owns is not interested in a competent, educated PEOPLE !!!
        raise consumers of services!
        Everything and for a long time OBVIOUSLY!
        1. Mestny
          Mestny 27 September 2019 08: 31
          -5
          Literate and educated people joyfully plundered the USSR during its decline.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 27 September 2019 08: 37
            +9
            Quote: Mestny
            Literate and educated people joyfully plundered the USSR during its decline.

            Seriously? PEOPLE plundered?
            Have you ever worked in a LABOR TEAM? At the same time, for example.
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 27 September 2019 09: 17
              -2
              Then they dragged from production everything that was not pinned. And what was pinned, tore off and also dragged.
              "Bring every nail from work, you are the owner here, not the guest." Meat and sausages were dragged from meat-packing plants, drills and taps from factories, gasoline was drained from cars. From the hospitals, medicines were taken. What was the tool in the aircraft technician's garage? So a generation has grown up for which it is not shameful to be humble in the workplace. Only jobs, they are different: on some, you can't steal anything except money.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 27 September 2019 09: 27
                0
                Quote: AS Ivanov.
                Then they dragged from production everything that was not pinned.

                This indicates a poor organization of production, accounting and control ..... to hope for self-awareness of hired workers who could consider themselves HOSTING of everything and everything, only conditionally, it was naive, stupid.
                1. AU Ivanov.
                  AU Ivanov. 27 September 2019 09: 37
                  +5
                  This mainly speaks of mentality. Well, the fact that in stores it was very difficult to buy many products: the same radio components (remember Shurik from Ivan Vasilievich), tools and accessories, the same sausages and building materials.
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 27 September 2019 09: 42
                    +1
                    Quote: AS Ivanov.
                    This mainly speaks of mentality.

                    Some people, even many, okay. Society as a whole is excluded!
                    Quote: AS Ivanov.
                    in stores, many products were very difficult to buy:

                    but this is a fact taking place .... a radio flea market, for amateurs and even specialists, it was RESCUE !!!
                  2. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 28 September 2019 11: 23
                    0
                    Quote: AS Ivanov.
                    Well, the fact that in stores many products was very difficult to buy:

                    Bullshit. In 1982, I bought a radio designer. And there were no problems with the goods. My grandmother worked in the tobacco department, so there Marlborro lay, and Cuban cigars ...
            2. Mavrikiy
              Mavrikiy 27 September 2019 10: 36
              +1
              Quote: rocket757
              Quote: Mestny
              Literate and educated people joyfully plundered the USSR during its decline.

              Seriously? PEOPLE plundered?
              Have you ever worked in a LABOR TEAM? At the same time, for example.
              From where. It is local from the site.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 27 September 2019 10: 42
                +4
                Quote: Mavrikiy
                From where. It is local from the site.

                May be. Then this is the diagnosis ... I didn’t see anything, I really don’t know anything, I don’t want to know anything in truth, but I’m always right .... Pathology.
                1. Mavrikiy
                  Mavrikiy 27 September 2019 11: 11
                  0
                  Quote: rocket757
                  Quote: Mavrikiy
                  From where. It is local from the site.

                  May be. Then this is the diagnosis ... I didn’t see anything, I really don’t know anything, I don’t want to know anything in truth, but I’m always right .... Pathology.

                  On the contrary. I saw everything, I really know everything and always right. As for the assimilation of new information, it is necessary to abandon the old, and this is difficult, as from your self.
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 27 September 2019 11: 26
                    +1
                    Quote: Mavrikiy
                    As for the assimilation of new information, it is necessary to abandon the old,

                    Is not a fact. New knowledge normally rests on the fundamental acquired earlier .... learning is always useful, as bequeathed to us ....
          2. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 27 September 2019 09: 11
            +1
            He also charged water in front of the TV.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 27 September 2019 09: 32
              +2
              Quote: AU Ivanov.
              He also charged water in front of the TV.

              Well, and then in MMM "played" .... not everyone in their youth read About Henry, watched "The Trust That Burst". Not everyone understood, they remembered .... these are the costs of Soviet reality, the lack of experience of losses that were from meetings with fraudsters and so on! So it was, so it is even in countries that periodically shook from such "events". Greed, stupidity + illiteracy (for specific circumstances) ... it is ineradicable!
              1. Mavrikiy
                Mavrikiy 27 September 2019 14: 54
                0
                Quote: rocket757
                Quote: AU Ivanov.
                He also charged water in front of the TV.

                Well, and then in MMM "played" .... not everyone in their youth read About Henry, watched "The Trust That Burst". Not everyone understood, they remembered .... these are the costs of Soviet reality, the lack of experience of losses that were from meetings with fraudsters and so on! So it was, so it is even in countries that periodically shook from such "events". Greed, stupidity + illiteracy (for specific circumstances) ... it is ineradicable!

                Did you reach Claudia and hammer? In the United States, all of O. Henry read and watched "The Trust That Burst". Everyone understood, remembered ... these are costs capitalistreality withlack of experience of losses that were from meetings with scammers and other, other! And what about 3 times a day! Greed, stupidity + illiteracy (for specific circumstances) ... this is ineradicable in specific individuals, they were riveted by mom and dad. feel Is the Soviet system to blame? Th not blame the mirror, if the mug is crooked. Birthmarks of capitalism.
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 27 September 2019 15: 03
                  +1
                  What was that?
                  Quote: Mavrikiy
                  in specific individuals, they were riveted by mom and dad.

                  But studying, was there no way to enlighten?
            2. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 28 September 2019 11: 25
              0
              Quote: AS Ivanov.
              He also charged water in front of the TV.

              Miracle. Alan Chumak to the rescue.
          3. Nick
            Nick 27 September 2019 10: 08
            -2
            Quote: Mestny
            Literate and educated people joyfully plundered the USSR during its decline.

            Exactly. And these representatives were called nesunami. And most of the workers were nonsunami, and now this phenomenon has not disappeared.
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 27 September 2019 11: 53
              -1
              In the thirties, an article of the Criminal Code was introduced, in the common people called the "law on three spikelets" So: it was introduced not because of Stalin's bloodthirstiness, but because in the process of construction, several tools and equipment purchased for gold were stolen home. enterprises. Necessary measure.
              1. Nick
                Nick 27 September 2019 17: 31
                +1
                Quote: AU Ivanov.
                In the thirties, an article of the Criminal Code was introduced, in the common people called the "law on three spikelets" So: it was introduced not because of Stalin's bloodthirstiness, but because in the process of construction, several tools and equipment purchased for gold were stolen home. enterprises. Necessary measure.

                Well, the times are changing, the social and political system, and people are engaged in extortion and profanity, and are engaged. Conclusion: we want to live more honestly, cleaner, we want life to have more justice, we must start with ourselves beloved. Exposing and blaming others is easy. This can be seen in the comments on the site. Psychologists know that a person does not blame himself for his problems, but someone, officials, neighbors, oligarchs, the state, Putin personally, etc. etc. To admit that he is to blame for his own problems, and not all around, only strong-minded people can.
            2. rocket757
              rocket757 27 September 2019 15: 05
              +1
              Quote: Nick
              And most of the workers were nonsunami, and now this phenomenon has not disappeared.

              Not everywhere! At sensitive enterprises, everything was STRICT, under the report.
              They carried it, but only those who were guarded by the Vasya-Vasya .... or the bosses.
    2. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 27 September 2019 07: 49
      +4
      yes it’s not the point. for 91 years in the army there were a total of more than 4.5 million people in the union. schools trained officers for the whole country. and then she was gone ... a bunch of separate states appeared. Army declined several times. so many schools were no longer needed. but in that mess began, instead of literate reduction, simply an attempt to cut it alive. without thinking in front. it’s easy to break the balance. It’s extremely difficult to return to the place. In fact, a new system has been under construction for all these years. for which the base remained, thank God not everyone destroyed. Thanks to those who could save the backbone and the meat will grow.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 27 September 2019 08: 34
        +2
        Quote: carstorm 11
        in that mess, instead of literate reduction, it simply began an attempt to cut it alive. without thinking in front.

        This is true! It is possible / necessary to carry out reforms reasonably and taking into account future prospects!
        People to power seized low-grade, goals and objectives were pursued by lousy ....
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 27 September 2019 08: 40
          0
          and this is not the whole story we have. destroy and then build on a new one.
        2. Nick
          Nick 27 September 2019 10: 10
          +1
          Quote: rocket757
          People to power seized low-grade, goals and objectives were pursued by lousy

          What kind of people are such and boyars. Flesh from the flesh, not from Mars flew. So, do not be offended by the mirror.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 27 September 2019 10: 28
            +1
            NEVER said that WE ALL are not to blame for that! "Amicably" destroyed, "amicably" and restore!
            Only "friendship" is not observed in our country, which I grieve, I write constantly. This is our misfortune, which can only be overcome "together", all together.
      2. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 27 September 2019 10: 44
        +1
        Quote: carstorm 11
        yes it’s not the point. for 91 years in the army there were a total of more than 4.5 million people in the union. schools trained officers for the whole country. and then she was gone ... a bunch of separate states appeared. Army declined several times. so many schools were no longer needed. but in that mess began, instead of literate reduction, simply an attempt to cut it alive. without thinking in front. it’s easy to break the balance. It’s extremely difficult to return to the place. In fact, a new system has been under construction for all these years. for which the base remained, thank God not everyone destroyed. Thanks to those who could save the backbone and the meat will grow.
        Again reasoning in terms of common sense. The hosts from behind the puddle suggested how and what to destroy. Then half of Europe was surrendered and almost nuclear weapons were surrendered, and you're talking about optimization.
      3. ccsr
        ccsr 27 September 2019 12: 47
        -7
        Quote: carstorm 11
        for 91 years in the army there were a total of more than 4.5 million people in the union.

        This is an overestimated figure, if only because by this time the reduction of the armed forces has already begun. Yes, and Yazov somewhere mentioned that under his command there were about 4 million people, although he did not know the exact number. So under no circumstances could the Soviet Army have more than 4,5 million people at that time — I think that the difference is too big.
        Where did this figure come from? I’m just interested to know, because there are still conflicting figures about the number of SA in recent years of the USSR.
  3. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
    SERGEY SERGEEVICS 27 September 2019 07: 40
    +5
    that over the course of several years, a number of military educational institutions in Russia experienced total reductions: universities or individual faculties either disbanded or merged with each other.
    After the next military reform of 2012, when many military units and many military posts were disbanded, they were transferred to civilians, due to unnecessity, military universities and individual faculties were reduced, and now they have begun to restore military units and units, hence the flow increases cadets. And more than all this looks like a fake, we always had and released worthy officers.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 27 September 2019 07: 54
      -2
      Well, let's honestly say it is because of that reform that we essentially now have a more serious army. and in a fairly short time, it would not have been possible to radically change anything else. I don’t have any love for Serdyukov, but it’s precisely those unpopular steps that became the basis for what we have now. There is much to argue about specific steps, but if you look at the big picture, it is good.
      1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
        SERGEY SERGEEVICS 27 September 2019 08: 04
        +3
        This reform yielded nothing, but only exacerbated the system of parts that had already been rebuilt over the years. Those parts that were shortened by the reform have now begun to be restored again. You write about the benefits and what are these benefits and what are they?
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 27 September 2019 08: 21
          0
          there was no system there. I just quit then, you know, for what reason? just did not see the future. I had a choice under the reduction, I would not fall. and chose a family can argue over specific decisions. I'm talking about the big picture. 08.08.08 showed this whole system to the full and it became clear to everyone that everything had to be changed and radically. cut live. Of course, it could be done more cleverly. I do not argue with this. but then it was necessary to do quickly.
          1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
            SERGEY SERGEEVICS 27 September 2019 11: 03
            +1
            there was no system there. I just quit then, you know, for what reason?

            There was a very good one who did not need civilians,
            I just quit then, you know, for what reason?

            I don’t know! You know better.
            just did not see the future.

            I saw many such people who did not see the future in the army, went to a civilian and also did not find him there.
            I had a choice under the reduction, I would not fall. and chose a family can argue over specific decisions. I'm talking about the big picture. 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX
            And when you entered the service, you gave yourself the reports, everything that happened, sooner or later, this could happen, this army, it was created for this purpose, to solve such problems that happened on 08.08.08 most likely not, if you write this now.
            but then it was necessary to do quickly.

            Strange you somehow argue, but what exactly should be done quickly? having reduced the army, this cannot solve the problem.
    2. ccsr
      ccsr 27 September 2019 12: 54
      -5
      Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
      And more than all this looks like a fake, we always had and released worthy officers.

      This is not a fake - the quality of officer training, especially in high-tech specialties, has fallen sharply in the last decade, and those who have completed the Soviet military school will confirm this. There are many reasons for this, and this is a separate conversation, but this fact cannot be overlooked.
      1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
        SERGEY SERGEEVICS 27 September 2019 13: 21
        +1
        the quality of officer training, especially in high-tech majors, has fallen sharply

        How can she fall? if there, the same teaching staff also teaches.
        This is confirmed by those who still passed the Soviet military school.
        How can they confirm this, if they also teach by the same methods?
        There are many reasons for this.

        Which ones?
        and this is a separate conversation,
        There is time, you can listen.
        but this fact cannot be overlooked.

        Which fact?
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 27 September 2019 13: 45
          -5
          Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
          How can she fall? if there, the same teaching staff also teaches.

          The old staff has long been retired, and those who replaced them themselves studied during the years of the collapse of the army, so this all affected the quality of the educational process.
          Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
          How can they confirm this, if they also teach by the same methods?

          In addition to the techniques, basic knowledge is needed, but it is not, because the very prestige of military service has fallen so much that the most intelligent and sensible cannot be lured into the army.
          Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
          Which ones?

          For example, a drop in the general educational level in the country led to the fact that, to put it mildly, not those who went to study in them during the Soviet era go to higher education institutions of the country.
          Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
          Which fact?

          I attend anniversary meetings in those places where I served, I communicate with those who still serve or quit several years ago, and believe me, we have discussed this issue more than once. I have no reason not to trust those who know the true situation of the modern army - I have known these people for too long and believe their estimates.
          1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
            SERGEY SERGEEVICS 27 September 2019 14: 29
            +2
            The old squad has long been retired,

            The restrictions on them have been lifted for retirement. And those who came to replace them have studied with these teachers.
            In addition to techniques, basic knowledge is needed, but they are not,

            But where did they go? they only accumulated over the years.
            For example, a drop in the general educational level in the country led to the fact that, to put it mildly, not those who went to study in them during the Soviet era go to higher education institutions of the country.

            You are now talking about the civilian spectrum, and we are talking about the military.
            I attend anniversary meetings in those places where I served, I communicate with those who still serve or quit several years ago, and believe me, we have discussed this issue more than once

            Yes there is, we always meet with friends.
            I have no reason not to trust those who know the true situation of the modern army - I have known these people for too long and believe their estimates.

            To my friends, I believe more.
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 27 September 2019 18: 16
              -8
              Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
              The restrictions on them have been lifted for retirement. And those who came to replace them have studied with these teachers

              You probably don’t remember what kind of contingent went to study in the late nineties and the beginning of the two thousandth in the military schools. As for pensions, the point is not in them, but in the fact that in other places they were offered more.
              Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
              But where did they go? they only accumulated over the years.

              Well, a graduate of a modern school cannot master the Higher School program in the way a Soviet graduate could do - no matter what methods you use. This is not an unfounded statement - my son finished 11 classes this year and I perfectly know what level of current education, and not somewhere off the beaten track, but in Moscow and in one of the very good schools in terms of teaching.
              Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
              You are now talking about the civilian spectrum, and we are talking about the military.

              So the Ministry of Education prepares personnel for the military, and the level of future officers depends on them in the first place.
              Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
              To my friends, I believe more.

              You want to convince me that the current officer training is at the level of officer training in Soviet times - I do not believe it, as one director said.
              1. NN52
                NN52 27 September 2019 19: 34
                +2
                ccsr (ccsr)
                Wow ..... How old are you that you served in the Soviet Army for 26 years, and this year your son finished 11 classes ???????? Have you mixed anything up?
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr 27 September 2019 19: 53
                  -8
                  Quote: NN52
                  Wow ..... How old are you that you served in the Soviet Army for 26 years, and this year your son finished 11 classes ???????? Have you mixed anything up?

                  No, I didn’t mix anything up - I’m saying that you’ve got a worthless commissar Megre, I just had a son when I left the army.
                  1. NN52
                    NN52 27 September 2019 20: 17
                    +5
                    ccsr (ccsr)
                    You're lying ... (sorry for the slang ...).
                    To serve 26 years in the Soviet army, quit, and the son graduated 11th grade this year ????
                    What are you about????
          2. NN52
            NN52 27 September 2019 17: 49
            +6
            ccsr
            Are you a specialist in this matter? However...
            My classmates also still serve and fly, and they say something completely different, about very positive changes in the coming youth.
            Everything is bad everywhere in the army and it’s not so, why do they drop real military equipment (and not decommissioned ..), now the wrong people are joining the army ...
            You wake up a little, move away from old stereotypes. Take a clear look at the modern Russian army (and not for a glass of tea at the anniversary meetings).
            Tired of your nagging already read how bad everything was in the Russian army, in the Soviet it was better ....
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 27 September 2019 18: 24
              -11
              Quote: NN52
              Everything is bad everywhere in the army and it’s not so, why do they drop real military equipment (and not decommissioned ..), now the wrong people are joining the army ...

              Yes, it’s not all that’s bad with me, but the fact that they are ruining equipment is bad, and this is not primarily the fault of the conscript or the contractor, but the deputy for PDS, and this is obvious to me.
              Quote: NN52
              You wake up a little, move away from old stereotypes.

              What makes you think that the Soviet army was worse prepared than the current Russian? Maybe this is your stereotype of that army, since you did not serve in it?
              Quote: NN52
              I'm tired of reading your nagging

              Why then answer, wise guy?
              1. NN52
                NN52 27 September 2019 19: 25
                +3
                ccsr (ccsr
                What do you think if I acted in '89? Which army do I belong to? If the oath was taken by the USSR?
                Smart ass?
                And what kind of deputy PDS are you talking about? if (as you wrote, you don’t have a single parachute jump)?
                And there was and is Nach PDS .. and there are no deputies ...
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr 27 September 2019 19: 48
                  -9
                  Quote: NN52
                  What do you think if I acted in '89? Which army do I belong to? If the oath was taken by the USSR?

                  It's not about the oath, but that you didn’t find a normal army, that's why a lot of what I write about, you just do not understand.
                  Quote: NN52
                  And what kind of deputy PDS are you talking about?

                  I’m saying that you don’t know a lot of things - the deputy commander for VCP is a full-time position in the special forces brigades.
                  Quote: NN52
                  And there was and is Nach PDS .. and there are no deputies ...

                  The head of the PDS service in the brigade is another position, and he reports to the deputy for the PDS. How many parachutes did you have and how many in the brigade are you thinking?
                  1. NN52
                    NN52 27 September 2019 20: 12
                    +5
                    So ... stop ... that is, I didn’t find a normal army in 89, and didn’t enter the NORMAL army and later served and didn’t fly in the normal Russian army? Do you want to say that?
                    And about PDS, what are you sculpting if you don't have a single parachute jump? What are you talking about?
                    Aren't you ashamed to "cling" to others?
                    I repeat once again, I have nothing to do with the Airborne Forces, but I have more than 35 parachute jumps ...
                    You are not in the subject of neither the past nor the present of our army ...
                    1. ccsr
                      ccsr 27 September 2019 20: 27
                      -11
                      Quote: NN52
                      Do you want to say that?

                      I want to say that your life in the SA is simply too short, especially considering that you became an officer when she was not there.
                      Quote: NN52
                      And about PDS, what are you sculpting if you don't have a single parachute jump? What are you talking about?

                      I don’t sculpt anything, but you demonstrate blatant illiteracy, and even your sidekicks who know this kitchen will confirm to you that deputy. PDS commander full-time position in the formations, and if it wasn’t in your regiment, it doesn’t mean anything.
                      Quote: NN52
                      I repeat once again, I have nothing to do with the Airborne Forces, but I have more than 35 parachute jumps ...

                      I understood this a long time ago, but it is not clear why you are trying to discuss what you have a vague idea of. If I flew airplanes, this does not give me the right to discuss how you should fly. Why did you decide that after jumping, you immediately knew how the PDS works in districts and in parts of district subordination?
                      Quote: NN52
                      You are not in the subject of neither the past nor the present of our army ...

                      You are simply not in the subject, that this problem was both in the Soviet Army and in the current Russian. And the reasons are the same, however, you can hardly draw general conclusions from the incident.
              2. Terenin
                Terenin 27 September 2019 22: 02
                +5
                Quote: ccsr
                Yes, not everything is bad with me, but what is bad is ...

                Is it an allergy to alcohol? belay

          3. Russia
            Russia 27 September 2019 18: 03
            +6
            Quote: ccsr
            I attend anniversary meetings in those places where I served, I communicate with those who still serve or quit several years ago, and believe me, we have discussed this issue more than once. I have no reason not to trust those who know the true situation of the modern army - I have known these people for too long and believe their estimates.

            Listen, strikebreaker from the army, already got everyone here with his memoirs and nagging. negative
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 27 September 2019 19: 29
              -10
              Quote: Rusland
              Listen, strikebreaker from the army,

              I think you escaped from a burnt circus, and decided to pose as a cool military man. But just as you were a clown in the army, you stayed with them, the years of service in it did not go to your advantage, and this defames the army.
              1. A good one
                A good one 28 September 2019 10: 07
                0
                Quote: ccsr
                Quote: Rusland
                Listen, strikebreaker from the army,

                I think you escaped from a burnt circus, and decided to pose as a cool military man. But just as you were a clown in the army, you stayed with them, the years of service in it did not go to your advantage, and this defames the army.

                It’s clear that you don’t hold the blow, wimp. Everyone here already spit. But for the same Rusland I will say. It can be seen my friend, you were hiding behind the letter of the Charter, and the citizen is different. Anyway, it seems to me that you jumped out of the army on a spurred horse back to front and no one was in a hurry to tell you about it, let them say it was dusty, they say a little, at least amuse them. sad
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr 28 September 2019 16: 56
                  -3
                  Quote: Not bad
                  It can be seen my friend, you were hiding behind the letter of the Charter, and the citizen is different.

                  You don’t see anything - you just fantasize awkwardly.
                  Quote: Not bad
                  Anyway, it seems to me that you jumped out of the army on a spurred horse back to front

                  I quit in 1996, but you hardly know what time it was. So it's not up to you to judge how I left, especially since I am a member of my veteran organization and constantly meet with colleagues. And even more so, it makes no sense to tell me about the "citizen". I have not sat idle for a day and still pay taxes so that the state can support people like you.
                  Quote: Not bad
                  and no one is in a hurry to tell you about this, let them say they are dusting, they say a little, at least amuse them.

                  I am glad that I brought joy to some forum amateurs, the more so what kind of flight they are easy to determine for a person who has seen enough of such in the army. Fly low, and you can’t hide it ....
                  1. A good one
                    A good one 28 September 2019 17: 55
                    -1
                    A lot of letters, all the time making excuses like that?
                    https://youtu.be/LiwW7mRWz_g
                    1. ccsr
                      ccsr 28 September 2019 18: 05
                      -2
                      Quote: Not bad
                      A lot of letters, all the time making excuses like that?

                      In front of you ? Do not make me laugh.
                      I just give detailed answers so that there are no ambiguous interpretations, like one person who asked whose BMD.
                      PS Your "humor" gives a tarpaulin, don't try to demonstrate it, you will pass for a smart one.
                      1. A good one
                        A good one 28 September 2019 18: 59
                        -2
                        Well, calm down, in your memoirs, explain all this with the same verbosity, otherwise they will not understand your verbiage smile
                  2. NN52
                    NN52 28 September 2019 19: 27
                    +1
                    To go nuts .........................
                    Did you quit in '96 ????? and at the moment talk about the Russian army ??? tin ... Everything is clear ...
                    What rank?
                    1. ccsr
                      ccsr 29 September 2019 15: 52
                      -3
                      Quote: NN52
                      What rank?

                      A competent officer would ask what position, but this is not about you.
                      What is clear to you, tell me ...
                      1. Leopold
                        Leopold 29 September 2019 19: 32
                        +4
                        The lieutenant colonel in the general’s position also imagines himself a general, but not everyone has time to reach the general’s rank. Arrogance and aristocratic manners do their job, while others see everything.
  4. Ros 56
    Ros 56 27 September 2019 07: 44
    +7
    The Chinese, as always, lie; our military schools have always graduated worthy and competent officers. And following their logic, we are now in the army among the officers half-wits, because they were released much earlier. Asians, they are Asians in Africa (I apologize for the pun). What a fashion for these narrow-film ones, get drunk from a well and be sure to spit there. Cheap stuff.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 27 September 2019 07: 56
      +6
      so they are not about specific schools but about the system as a whole. in many ways right.
    2. dauria
      dauria 27 September 2019 08: 49
      +3
      Our military schools have always graduated worthy and competent officers.


      True, but only a huge part of these schools remained abroad. Together with a permanent staff. Or will doctors of technical sciences move from Kiev, Riga, etc. to Tambov with Voronezh with their families? Yes, you can’t even transfer them from Moscow by order - there is a pension for a long time, friends too. Spit and go to the citizen. This was a weak point of the system - all the best either to Moscow, or to the capitals of the Union republics. So they broke off.
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 27 September 2019 09: 22
        +3
        Of course, everyday life is very important, but besides this, many schools were simply ditched, like our flight in Orenburg, and the building is already beginning to fall apart, not to mention the Sokol airfield in Orsk, where the cadets flew. Judging by the satellite map, the airfield plates have been pulled apart by about 30% of the takeoff. I have a Shuryak (wife's brother), a daughter with her husband-officer and children left Riga and live nothing. It is impossible to live there with these tribaltos, especially problematic for children. Russian means they do not play with you, my friend therefore left Vilnius in due time.
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          1. Ros 56
            Ros 56 27 September 2019 10: 08
            +3
            And this despite the fact that in the eighties in our Orenburg summer competition there were about 10 people per place, my student entered. That’s what the most important thing when entering health says and go through a psycho selection, and knowledge is tightened. By the way, another one who worked at the Kiev Aviation Military Engineering Institute received a major and left already in the 90s. Now lives in France.
            1. dauria
              dauria 27 September 2019 12: 33
              +1
              The comment was deleted.
              laughing

              Eh, "satraps, stranglers of the people's freedom." Because of the word ...... hmm. "ass" delete comment?

              "And the next morning I decided
              I’ll ask my brother for chalk
              And on all fences large
              I'll write the word "Zh..pa"
            2. NN52
              NN52 27 September 2019 17: 35
              +3
              Ros 56
              In all flight then there were about 10 candidates for a place.
              About health and professional selection (not psycho selection), everything is correct. Well, about knowledge, then, as it were, the level was practically equal for everyone. And yes, knowledge pulled up later.
              1. Ros 56
                Ros 56 27 September 2019 19: 48
                +4
                Probably the professional selection, which could have been mixed up over the past years, more than thirty years have passed since then. hi
              2. Pete mitchell
                Pete mitchell 27 September 2019 22: 04
                +3
                hi I welcome everyone. 52 Do you remember how they said: they were accepted as healthy, but they were asked how smart.
                My course was just a disaster in the system, then fell by two and a half times and became the best in average for many years. Just two planes damaged ...
                1. NN52
                  NN52 27 September 2019 22: 08
                  +1
                  Pete Mitchell Pete Mitchell
                  Tramp
                  So ..... it was definitely not steeper than our course)))) do not star ...)))
                  And your course, so-so ..))))) laughing
                  1. Pete mitchell
                    Pete mitchell 27 September 2019 22: 20
                    +2
                    Well, you arrogant, where you were taught this request Just don’t say that the elders, otherwise then everyone will have to say that they lived in the same battalion and barracks. But our issue is golden laughing ate fellow
                    1. NN52
                      NN52 27 September 2019 22: 27
                      +1
                      And our joint with Stavropol! )))
                      And we are finished at MLD! unlike you, the old fart)))
                      tongue
                      1. Pete mitchell
                        Pete mitchell 27 September 2019 22: 48
                        +2
                        Well, you arrogant, I recognize the system
                      2. NN52
                        NN52 27 September 2019 22: 58
                        +2
                        So we are the system ...
      2. ccsr
        ccsr 27 September 2019 12: 59
        -9
        Quote: dauria
        Yes, you can’t even transfer them from Moscow by order - there is a pension for a long time, friends too. Spit and go to the citizen.

        Where, by the way, they will receive more for their lectures, especially those who were associated with the latest technology, including IT technologies. So what kind of "eccentric" planned to disperse the military-educational science from large cities, I do not know specifically, but whoever did this damaged the country's defense capacity more than all the traitors put together.
        1. A good one
          A good one 27 September 2019 15: 57
          +3
          Quote: ccsr
          So what kind of "eccentric" is planning to disperse military-educational science from large cities, I do not know specifically,

          And you won’t know the train. wink Specially moved out from such strategists like you, do you think that with your sofa in the courtyard of the research institute they will leave the training grounds? Who are you? An officer, or so, has trodden one boot and retired?
          1. ccsr
            ccsr 27 September 2019 18: 19
            -7
            Quote: Not bad
            Who are you? An officer, or so, has trodden one boot and retired?

            Not as illiterate as you - it is obvious to me.
            1. A good one
              A good one 27 September 2019 18: 26
              +3
              Quote: ccsr
              Quote: Not bad
              Who are you? An officer, or so, has trodden one boot and retired?

              Not as illiterate as you - it is obvious to me.

              Well, let's not be nervous, do not kick. smile
            2. Pete mitchell
              Pete mitchell 27 September 2019 22: 51
              +4
              Quote: ccsr
              Not as illiterate as you.

              But this is debatable, though very
              Quote: ccsr
              Quote: Pete Mitchell
              According to your logic

              This is not my logic-

              Quote: ccsr
              - tried to explain, but it ended with the expulsion from the armed forces of those who were sick for the security of the country

              You already decide please, or you are rushing about how incomprehensibly someone is: either you served, or you turned the “magic clock” on time. And more modestly, there are people here, especially in the military-technical field, whose decisions were reflected in the Armed Forces; your pathetic indulgent indulgence does not channel. And then it can happen like neighbors
              So it was determined that ccsr, screaming and screaming wherever he screamed, that he is the most-most military of all the military, has no idea what is it about?

              Bad memory + bad conscience multiplied by pathos = ccsr

              It seems to me that you’ve been operational in the past, but I’ll remind you that you haven’t confused you not at the GSVG headquarters
              Quote: ccsr
              Quote: Pete Mitchell
              I am not your subordinate Monsieur staff.

              You wouldn’t be able to become one - we didn’t keep such
              I have no doubt, but believe me, the decisions that I prepared, twenty years as a demobilization, are still taken into account by all the operatives of the Eastern European region. Adieu, drink some water
              1. ccsr
                ccsr 28 September 2019 17: 13
                -6
                Quote: Pete Mitchell
                You already decide please

                I see no reason to do this for you.
                Quote: Pete Mitchell
                And then it can happen like neighbors

                And you there under what nickname to write to talk about what happened there?
                Quote: Pete Mitchell
                Bad memory + bad conscience multiplied by pathos = ccsr

                By the way, these words belong to a certain "rezunist" who preaches Rezun's doctrine as the ultimate truth in some historical forums. And when I brought his face to the table, he had no choice but to make such a statement and leave the offended forum, where he is afraid to appear. You can repeat his "feat", go to the forum "For Truth" and discuss there the issue of training modern officers, so that you will be listened to and expressed your opinion.
                Quote: Pete Mitchell
                It seems to me that you are operational in the past,

                Anything can give up to you, I won’t disappoint you, but as usual with a finger in the sky, although it was the operational duty officer for my management who went for several years, but this was not my full-time position.
                Quote: Pete Mitchell
                I have no doubt, but believe me, the decisions that I prepared

                Do not hesitate to answer, at least one of your "decisions" is signed by the Minister of Defense or NGSH to understand your flight.
                1. NN52
                  NN52 28 September 2019 19: 18
                  +4
                  ccsr (ccsr)
                  Oh ... how cool .... do signalmen steer?
                  And show pzhl, on your example? Is there a signature on your decision ???
                  You will squeeze ...
                  You have already been taken on a face about a table for several days, but at least something for you? Diagnosis?
                  1. Cat man null
                    Cat man null 28 September 2019 19: 24
                    +2
                    Quote: NN52
                    Diagnosis?

                    Ummm ... whatever it's called ... masochist, in.
                    1. ccsr
                      ccsr 29 September 2019 16: 00
                      -5
                      Quote: Cat Man Null
                      Ummm ... whatever it's called ... masochist, in.

                      Not as stupid as those who think they carry someone.
                  2. ccsr
                    ccsr 29 September 2019 15: 59
                    -5
                    Quote: NN52
                    Oh ... how cool .... do signalmen steer?

                    Relax - I didn’t have a VUS.
                    Quote: NN52
                    Is there a signature on your decision ???

                    There are documents that I prepared and then performed by all the armed forces.
                    Quote: NN52
                    You have already been taken on a face about a table for several days, but at least something for you? Diagnosis?

                    There is only one diagnosis - because of their ignorance, some illiterate people think that they are carrying someone, and the funny thing is, most of all the former pilots who did not see a living soldier in the eye and do not know that they need to be prepared, and they must be protected.
                    1. NN52
                      NN52 29 September 2019 17: 16
                      +4
                      ccsr (ccsr)

                      That's it ... Yes, about your VUS I somehow begin to doubt that it was assigned to you at all ...
                      Ahem ... what did ALL Armed Forces do ??? It smells like Bonaparte, doesn't it seem to you ???
                      And for the future, grandfather, there are no former pilots ...
                      1. ccsr
                        ccsr 29 September 2019 18: 29
                        -4
                        Quote: NN52
                        Ahem ... what did ALL Armed Forces do ???

                        The order of the Minister of Defense is obligatory for execution by all the armed forces - how did you fall on my head, you guys?
                        Quote: NN52
                        Yes, about your VUS I somehow begin to doubt that it was assigned to you at all ...

                        Doubt your health - some still do not believe that the Earth is round.
                        Quote: NN52
                        Grandpa, there are no former pilots ...

                        I was always amused by such types, who suddenly imagined that if they are pilots, then they understand, for example, all the problems of the aviation industry. So you can fly even to old age, but this is unlikely to give you the right to indicate to those who create planes and the entire infrastructure for them, because for them your opinion is an empty phrase - and this is a fact.
                      2. Masha
                        Masha 29 September 2019 18: 56
                        +1
                        as I understand it .... you can’t fly, crawl ....
                      3. NN52
                        NN52 29 September 2019 20: 09
                        -1
                        ccsr (ccsr)
                        AWESOME .....
                        You and the orders of the Minister? also? prepared and made up ?????

                        Have we touched on the topics of the aviation industry here?
                        Are you special too ??????
                        Well, you give a pancake ....)
                      4. ccsr
                        ccsr 29 September 2019 20: 24
                        -1
                        Quote: NN52
                        You and the orders of the Minister? also? prepared and made up ?????

                        To your chagrin - yes, and I had to deal with this.
                        Quote: NN52
                        Have we touched on the topics of the aviation industry here?

                        No, the industry itself was not affected - your aplomb was affected, so you had to drop you to the ground with a simple example.
                        Quote: NN52
                        Are you special too ??????

                        No, but nevertheless, when the main headquarters of the Air Force was turned off from "pirogovka", I had to go to Chernoe to agree on some papers.
                        Quote: NN52
                        Well, you give a pancake ....)

                        Yes, I don’t give, but you demonstrate your ignorance by deciding that everyone in the army has learned, and people like me are not at work. By the way, I only resigned a year ago - so vparivayte about your father to someone else, if you do not know how to count the years of service of people of my generation.
                      5. NN52
                        NN52 29 September 2019 20: 45
                        0
                        ccsr (ccsr)
                        So .... let's already decide ... you first wrote that you left the army in 96 ... now you write about the fact that a year ago they left ????
                        This is what and how ?????????
                        Are you a balobol ???? or how to understand you ???
                        And with my father, you weren’t standing by my side ... so I don’t even recommend opening your mouth.
                      6. ccsr
                        ccsr 29 September 2019 20: 55
                        -1
                        Quote: NN52
                        So .... let's already decide ... you first wrote that you left the army in 96 ... now you write about the fact that a year ago they left ????

                        Do you even understand the verbiage that the officers are either on active duty, or are in reserve, or are retiring after reaching the age limit. If you are a complete amateur in military affairs, then I inform you that the colonels are in reserve for up to 65 years, and then retired - ask your father if you could not learn this during the service.
                        Quote: NN52
                        Are you a balobol ???? or how to understand you ???

                        You are a racket, you can never understand people of my level - a schoolboy cannot teach a professor, it’s a pity that they didn’t tell you at your school.
                        Quote: NN52
                        And with my father, you weren’t standing by my side ... so I don’t even recommend opening your mouth.

                        He stood or not, I don’t know, but he should be ashamed of the stupid son who does not know the differences between the officers.
                      7. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 29 September 2019 21: 01
                        -3
                        Quote: ccsr
                        never understand people of my level

                        Yes, your level is clear ... an Internet daredevil, a colonel drawn ... you would have to calm down already, dear yes
                      8. ccsr
                        ccsr 29 September 2019 21: 12
                        0
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        you should calm down already, dear

                        Afraid that your level immediately became clear to everyone reading this topic?
                        Do not drift, uncle - just climbed into trouble, then be prepared for the fact that they laugh at you.
                      9. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 29 September 2019 21: 20
                        -2
                        Quote: ccsr
                        just got on the rampage, then be prepared for the fact that they laugh at you

                        In-in ... just laugh while you, did not notice? wink
                      10. ccsr
                        ccsr 29 September 2019 21: 50
                        0
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        In-in ... just laugh while you, did not notice?

                        They "laugh" so much that everyone bit their tongues at the same time when I asked two simple questions and no one could at least mumble something:
                        1. Why in the GSVG there were no Airborne divisions.
                        2. At what stage should the Airborne Forces be used in the upcoming war and what role will they play in it.
                        Now it remains for you to "laugh" and if you, a giggle, can answer these two simple questions, then we'll see who will laugh last.
                      11. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 29 September 2019 22: 04
                        -7
                        Quote: ccsr
                        let's see who will be the last to laugh

                        I naturally ...

                        Quote: ccsr
                        1. Why there were no airborne divisions in the GSVG

                        Because gladiolus. Questions?

                        Quote: ccsr
                        2. At what stage will the airborne forces be used in the upcoming war and what role will they play in it

                        "Heavy" infantry, well trained. She is also able to jump. Questions?

                        Quote: ccsr
                        all simultaneously bit their tongues

                        From surprise, probably. They haven’t seen such clowns here for a long time. yes
                      12. ccsr
                        ccsr 30 September 2019 11: 54
                        -1
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        Because gladiolus. Questions?

                        Another chatter confirming that the opponent cannot say anything clever.
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        "Heavy" infantry, well trained. She is also able to jump. Questions?

                        Then why do we need the Airborne Forces now, if we have "heavy infantry" in the Russian army? Answer this "military expert" for a start.
                        By the way, the presence of "infantry" is not the main factor, why there were no Airborne Forces in the GSVG, but with your primitive thinking you will never understand that the main factor was the most powerful air defense system of NATO and European countries in the central theater of operations, which excluded even a hint of covert overcoming air borders of European countries. But this is only part of the problem, because the Airborne Forces themselves would be a serious unmasking factor if they tried to use them in preparation for our surprise strike, because they need hours to load, take off and arrive at the place of the planned drop. Well, why then this crap to our commanders, if they knew perfectly well that there was no benefit from the airborne forces in the group? Do you think now the picture has changed with our opponents, are you our naive? Yes, now the situation is many times worse for the Airborne Forces, because the enemy's technical intelligence is now an order of magnitude higher than it was in the nineties.
                        So it’s for people like you to look like clowns who decided to play tin soldiers, and do not understand what a future war is, unless it comes to it.
                      13. NN52
                        NN52 29 September 2019 21: 09
                        +1
                        ccsr (ccsr)
                        Are you telling tales to anyone here? Are you an amateur?
                        They resign from the army once! It’s not that you or I are in stock until a certain age. You want to say that you resigned from active military service in 96, and that you were removed from the account of a reserve officer in the military registration and enlistment office that year when you reached 65? Did I understand correctly?
                        And what do you and me here then fill and get out?

                        Professor ..... laugh yourself .... ordinary uncouth infantry ....
                      14. ccsr
                        ccsr 29 September 2019 21: 19
                        -1
                        Quote: NN52
                        They resign from the army once!

                        You are just a miserable clown, so save the quotes for silkworms, all the more so it’s clear that you don’t really know military affairs, even though you are making an expert out of yourself.
                        Quote: NN52
                        It’s not that you or I are in stock until a certain age.

                        Go to the draft board, wise guy, and there you will be enlightened in what category you belong.
                        Quote: NN52
                        you left in 96, and you were removed from the account of the reserve at the military registration and enlistment office that year upon reaching 65? Did I understand correctly?

                        This is the first clever thought I heard from you in a few days. Finally, you remembered arithmetic and managed to add up two numbers ...
                        Quote: NN52
                        And what do you and me here then fill and get out?

                        I enlighten such amateurs as you, who imagined themselves cool peppers, and when they turned out to be just awesome. Maybe leaving the army, even here you will learn about it that which you have not learned during the service.
                      15. NN52
                        NN52 29 September 2019 21: 28
                        +1
                        ccsr (ccsr)
                        Fir-tree sticks ... grandfather ... how did you get tired of your nonsense on business ... knowing the realities of the modern army only from anniversary meetings through the prism of a bottle ... and aplomb like a marshal ... calling other amateurs ... and trying to teach everyone and everything about military affairs, and telling here about his military strategy (his Wishlist in a dream ..) ...
                        Well, after all, you look ridiculous here on the VO website, you still do not understand why for you here the forum users weighed so many clicks?
                        Stop the crap to bear ...
                        Do not answer pzhl anymore ....
                        Do not...
                      16. ccsr
                        ccsr 29 September 2019 21: 54
                        -1
                        Quote: NN52
                        Well, after all, you look ridiculous here on the VO website, you still do not understand why for you here the forum users weighed so many clicks?

                        I recognize the handwriting of amateurs - in all forums the illiterate do this.
                        Quote: NN52
                        Stop the crap to bear ...

                        So, you figured out when an officer serves on the active, when in the reserve, and when in retirement - tell the "expert" so that knowledgeable people do not laugh at you.
                        Quote: NN52
                        Don't answer pzhl anymore.

                        Do not tell tales about the army, then I will not comment on your nonsense.
                      17. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 29 September 2019 21: 59
                        -2
                        Quote: ccsr
                        then I will not comment on your nonsense

                        And I always thought that about one gyrus, from a cap - it's just a joke request

                        Century live - Century learn what is called what
                      18. NN52
                        NN52 29 September 2019 22: 46
                        0
                        For "papakha" and "gyrus" is not required at all ...)
                      19. NN52
                        NN52 29 September 2019 22: 45
                        0
                        ccsr (ccsr)

                        I see ...
                        So it's useless ...
                      20. NN52
                        NN52 30 September 2019 20: 21
                        -1
                        ccsr (ccsr
                        I warned ... do not ... you are behind the modern army .. grandfather ...
                        Just finish, carry nonsense.
                2. Pete mitchell
                  Pete mitchell 28 September 2019 20: 47
                  +6
                  Quote: ccsr
                  I see no reason to do this for you.
                  I said - some cold water, maybe come down to earth sinners to us.
                  And by the way, yes.
                  1. ccsr
                    ccsr 29 September 2019 16: 09
                    -8
                    Quote: Pete Mitchell
                    may come down to earth sinners to us.

                    You sucks for a long time, if only because you can’t even formulate why we need the Airborne Forces in a future war.
                    Especially for the literate, I ask another question, although I understand that since my first question, asked to the "military experts", they merged, the hope that they will answer the second is very illusory.
                    So, verbiage, let everyone know at what stage in the modern war it is planned to use the airborne forces - at the stage of secretive preparation for the war, at the time of the main strike, during the reflection of the retaliatory strike or after the end of the war.
                    Tell us, sinful, where do you want to write in that scenario of the Airborne Forces - if you can even justify it competently. After that, it is possible that there was no mention at all in the GSVG of any units.
                    1. Pete mitchell
                      Pete mitchell 29 September 2019 17: 12
                      +5
                      Mr. Hamlo, who do you think you are? Go down to the ground, you just a shame The sun and your morals can be posted on Twitter. Even by constructing your speech, you affirm everyone around you with the thought that, except on the impersonal Internet spaces, you are not able to use your supposedly 'knowledge and experience' anywhere else, or rather they are of no interest to anyone: neither there / in the service /, nor here / on forums.
                      Quote: Pete Mitchell
                      I told you - drink some cold water

                      and sinners to us: pass by, pass.
                      1. ccsr
                        ccsr 29 September 2019 18: 07
                        -7
                        Quote: Pete Mitchell
                        Go down to the ground, you’re just a shame on the sun and you can post your teachings on Twitter.

                        Thank you, I did not expect another answer - you are just a miserable verbiage, and this is evident because you are not able to answer even a simple question.

                        Quote: Pete Mitchell
                        pass by - pass.

                        The drain is counted.
                    2. NN52
                      NN52 29 September 2019 17: 26
                      +5
                      ccsr (ccsr)

                      And once again I also ask you a question, what side do you have to do with the Airborne Forces, without having a single parachute jump? And talk about the strategy of using the Airborne Forces? And do you remember your youth in the 80s in the GHA? You were already a great strategist ???
                      Well then, tell us, we are sinners, where do you see the use of the Airborne Forces in modern warfare ??? Here in Moscow region they will be surprised and smile ...
                      It turns out that the Bonaparte-Kutuzov-Suvorov strategist in one person appeared on the VO website ....
                      Retired cap does not press? Apparently they didn’t give a daddy at the time ... that’s the offense from there ...
                      1. ccsr
                        ccsr 29 September 2019 18: 20
                        -8
                        Quote: NN52
                        And once again I also ask you a question, what side do you have to do with the Airborne Forces, without having a single parachute jump?

                        You also have nothing to do with the Airborne Forces, although you jumped with a parachute.
                        Quote: NN52
                        And do you remember your youth in the 80s in the GHA?

                        I already served as a mature officer there, so past the cash register.
                        Quote: NN52
                        Well then, tell us, we are sinners, where do you see the use of the Airborne Forces in modern warfare ???

                        It is not visible at all, which is why everybody has faded from my direct question, because they themselves do not know where they can be used in a future war.
                        Quote: NN52
                        Apparently they didn’t give a daddy at the time ... that’s the offense from there ...

                        The hat in my time has already been canceled for colonels, you don't even know that, "professional", and this best of all speaks about what ideas you have about the Russian army. And I had no offense in this regard, although it was not given out - we generally arrived at the service in civilian life, but amateurs do not know about it.
                        Quote: NN52
                        Retired cap does not press?

                        My cap and in the service did not interfere with sanity, but you have it then, not now not visible.
                      2. NN52
                        NN52 29 September 2019 19: 12
                        +2
                        ccsr (ccsr)
                        So ... if you served as a mature officer there ... and your calendar service is 26 years old, at the time of 1996 ... then you are now about or more than 70 years old ...
                        What are you talking about grandfather ??? You ... why do you write ????
                        Do you understand that you are generally wrong ??? or are you just not representing who you really are ???
                        My father, a career military man born in 1950, does not say such a thing about the SA ...
                        You are a liar and not an officer.
                        And by the way, about the hat ... actually, with me it was restored ....
                      3. ccsr
                        ccsr 29 September 2019 19: 43
                        -4
                        Quote: NN52
                        then you are now about or more than 70 years old ...
                        What are you talking about grandfather ???

                        You are not moved, "mathematician", even if your father was not 70 years old?
                        Quote: NN52
                        Do you understand that you are generally wrong ???

                        What exactly? Some miserable flyer, obviously not the commander of a strategic missile carrier, is trying to strike me into something about the strategy of a new war, and at the same time, having no idea what the Soviet Army was and what its real power was. It’s ridiculous to listen to such flyers - how Shaposhnikov managed, and then Grachev as Minister of Defense I saw with my own eyes, which is why I am not surprised at the idle talk of people like you. You may have exceeded your peers in health, but not in your mind, that's for sure.
                        Quote: NN52
                        My father, a career military man born in 1950, does not say such a thing about the SA ...

                        I’m younger than your father - hold on. And not your father could know everything, it all depends on the level of the position.
                        Quote: NN52
                        And by the way, about the hat ... actually, with me it was restored ....

                        Actually, I wrote that I quit in 1996, but you didn’t have enough mind to understand that you didn’t give out your papakh at that time, although no one forbade you to buy it at military stores (from old stocks) or to sew to order. But I didn’t need her - it was like you dudes could have dreamed about her, but I was calm about this.
                        Quote: NN52
                        You are a liar and not an officer.

                        You are simply an illiterate officer, and this has not surprised me for a long time. Burn on.
                      4. NN52
                        NN52 29 September 2019 19: 55
                        0
                        ccsr (ccsr)
                        Well, the Christmas tree sticks .... I was up to the hat, especially without an academy, it was like one place before China ... And it was exactly like it to me ...
                        Well, about the "pathetic" flyer, are you in vain .... and I wonder how the usual "pathetic" flyer on the MiG 31 differed from the spacecraft on the Tu 160?
                        Infantry???
                      5. ccsr
                        ccsr 29 September 2019 20: 31
                        -3
                        Quote: NN52
                        and I wonder how the usual "pathetic" flyer on the MiG 31 differed from the spacecraft on the Tu 160?

                        The level of thinking - in the strategic link of aviation are those who understand what kind of war we are facing.
                        Quote: NN52
                        Infantry???

                        In the "infantry" also pilots flew on airplanes, and they were more useful than from your flights on the MiG-31.
                      6. A good one
                        A good one 30 September 2019 16: 55
                        -5
                        Quote: NN52
                        What are you talking about grandfather ??? You ... why do you write ????
                        Do you understand that you are generally wrong ??? or are you just not representing who you really are ???

                        He is a grandfather, but each grandfather has a grandmother, but he needs a grandmother so as not to look like an obvious grandfather. smile
                      7. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 29 September 2019 19: 23
                        +1
                        Quote: ccsr
                        we generally then in civilian service arrived, but amateurs do not know about it.

                        It's funny. And what kind of "service" is this?

                        Just don't talk about the "secrets" - the GSVG is gone ... and there are no secrets. AND? wink

                        Quote: NN52
                        You are a liar and not an officer

                        I will subscribe, perhaps yes
                      8. ccsr
                        ccsr 29 September 2019 20: 04
                        -4
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        It's funny. And what kind of "service" is this?

                        Where did you crawl, wise guys, if you don’t know what was in the army in the nineties?
                        In large cities of Moscow and Leningrad, there were a large number of attacks on officers, and some suffered severe injuries, leading to hospitalization. That is why the order of the Ministry of Defense was issued, which not only permitted, but also recommended to arrive in civilian clothes. It was brought to everyone, it is strange that people like you have not even heard about it.
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        Just don't talk about the "secrets" - the GSVG is gone ... and there are no secrets. AND?

                        And what should I reveal to you?
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        I will subscribe, perhaps

                        As my boss said, these are sparrows flying in packs, and eagles soar one by one. Burn on, shallow, subscribe to any nonsense ...
                      9. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 29 September 2019 20: 52
                        +1
                        Quote: ccsr
                        In large cities of Moscow and Leningrad there were a large number of attacks on officers, and some suffered severe injuries, leading to hospitalization. That's why the decree of the Ministry of Defense was issued, which not only allowed, but also recommended to come to the service in civilian clothes

                        Dear, you are in the GSVG until 92, no? And then Moscow and St. Petersburg, the one that Leningrad?

                        Quote: ccsr
                        it's sparrows flying in packs, and eagles soar alone

                        And guinea fowl - eat. Since they are no longer suitable for anything. Buddy yes
                      10. ccsr
                        ccsr 29 September 2019 21: 24
                        -4
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        Dear, you are in the GSVG until the 92nd, no?

                        Yes, clown, I was in ZGV until the end of 1992.
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        And then Moscow and St. Petersburg, the one that Leningrad?

                        And despite the fact that it was about the nineties, when officers were allowed to arrive at the place of service in a civilian, but you do not know this, because then you did not serve either in Moscow or in St. Petersburg.
                      11. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 29 September 2019 21: 33
                        -1
                        Quote: ccsr
                        Yes clown

                        Pleased to meet you.

                        My dear, you have already said that your home address will be known soon.

                        Do you really need it? wink

                        PS: There are already from the heels who want to spit on your face ... will you survive? feel
                      12. ccsr
                        ccsr 29 September 2019 22: 02
                        -4
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        My dear, you have already said that your home address will be known soon.

                        Do you think that will scare me with this? By the way, he is already known to some people with whom I communicate on the forums.
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        Do you really need it?

                        Liars and trepacs are ashamed that they recognize them, which is why they hide under nicknames. And I have nothing to hide - who needs to know who I am and how to contact me.
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        PS: There are already from the heels who want to spit on your face ... will you survive?

                        Spit on the monitor for a start - it may feel better ...
                        And stop whining, intimidating me with some kind of punishment - it’s better to learn how to at least understand military science, since they have climbed to teach others.
                      13. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 29 September 2019 22: 09
                        0
                        Quote: ccsr
                        You think that scares me

                        It was necessary for me - to scare you ... I try to call you to restraint, at least minimal ... but, to the campaign, in vain.

                        Quote: ccsr
                        who needs and so they know who I am and how to contact me

                        God forbid from such happiness - to contact you laughing

                        Quote: ccsr
                        learn to at least understand military science

                        You mean the landing of tank corps? Such a "science" yes
                      14. ccsr
                        ccsr 30 September 2019 11: 10
                        -3
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        You mean the landing of tank corps? Such a "science"

                        Where did I suggest this - bring a quote, a pathetic liar. By the way, tanks don’t drop into the airborne forces, and you got into a puddle here, if you can’t tell the tank from the tank.
                      15. NN52
                        NN52 29 September 2019 21: 46
                        +1
                        ccsr (ccsr)
                        And in the 90s, we served in distant garrisons, where no one attacked at all ... you are a wise guy, a career, an eagle - I will laugh))))
                        I began service in Sakhalin in 93, unlike you, the rear ....
                      16. Pete mitchell
                        Pete mitchell 30 September 2019 00: 11
                        +1
                        hi 52 and honest company. It seems to me that everything is simple: those who did not know the weight of the boots will not appreciate the charms of slippers. Where do we sivolapym for 'eagle', well, we don’t understand him, well, thank God. I just refuse to understand hamaWell, I do not accept, so brought up. I would be glad to serve, to be sick nauseously, so at a very tender age I became a demobilizer twice, despite a successful career.
                        And you ccsr really believe in the possibility of a big war in Europe? Believe in the clash of old Europe with Russia? So that without the influence of Eastern European punks? Have you ever talked with a potential adversary: ​​those who have 'legs' and those who make decisions? Believe me, they are very logical people and do not want to die - they understand everything. I’ll tell you a secret: in the armies of old Europe they dream of the times of the Cold War: at 9:00 to work, lunch, at 17:00 home to the family; once a hundred years on a business trip - not at all like it is now. Do you yourself understand the conflict of what intensity are you talking about? Europe has something to lose and their military understands this. How to use Airborne? Do you even know why you criticized Schwarzkopf?
                        If you want to talk, talk; If you are rude, it’s to your relatives and subordinates, re-read the above, it may come, although I doubt it. Westerners substitute everything with a phrase about “democratic values,” I look at you with the definition of “words” - you look in the mirror and please save us sinners.
                      17. ccsr
                        ccsr 30 September 2019 11: 36
                        -4
                        Quote: Pete Mitchell
                        I just refuse to understand the boor, well, I do not accept, so educated.

                        It is here that you decided to drag on me, after I proposed a reasonable solution in order to avoid the loss of military equipment, and began to pour me shit in another thread. And after they got the snot themselves, I immediately became a boor for you, etc. that at least look inadequate on your part.
                        If only I would be ashamed, trepachki - you watered me with slops, and when you were in shit yourself, from your own incompetence, you immediately cried out that I treat you badly. Nothing, next time you will think when you start the next company against an objectionable person on the forum.
                        Quote: Pete Mitchell
                        Do you really ccsr believe in the possibility of a big war in Europe? Believe in the clash of old Europe with Russia?

                        I was prepared for this, unlike you, that's why I should have known our probable opponent and what we should expect from him. And the state paid me for this, and I honestly served, paying him a debt. So what claims can you have for me if your incompetence is obvious to me.
                        Quote: Pete Mitchell
                        I’ll tell you a secret: in the armies of old Europe they dream about the times of the Cold War: at 9:00 to work, lunch, at 17:00 home to the family; once a hundred years on a business trip - not at all like it is now.

                        What does old Europe have to do with it, if we have the main adversary of the USA and China? What European oak have you fallen since you ask me stupid questions?
                        Quote: Pete Mitchell
                        How to use Airborne? Do you even know why you criticized Schwarzkopf?

                        Do not shy away from a direct question, but rather share your vision of the future war and the role of the airborne forces in it.
                        By the way, why drag in ground forces in the gulf, if at that time in the USA there were only 82 airborne and 101 airborne troops?
                        Do you have any idea how many airborne divisions we had then and now so that I can tell tales about the first war in the Gulf, which will certainly never be the prototype of our future wars. And Syria has clearly proved this, "strategist" you are our homegrown ...
                      18. Pete mitchell
                        Pete mitchell 30 September 2019 11: 47
                        +1
                        Undervalued you are not our glory to God, read carefully written. Occupy yourself with something - drop the chicken from the balcony, write your memoirs ...
                      19. ccsr
                        ccsr 30 September 2019 12: 26
                        -4
                        Quote: Pete Mitchell
                        Underrated you're not ours

                        Coke, "military expert", and you can't blather anything, since you gave an unsuccessful example with Schwarzkopf?
                        Burn on, since you are a practitioner with chicken.
                      20. Pete mitchell
                        Pete mitchell 30 September 2019 12: 46
                        +1
                        I do not find it interesting to communicate with a character who, hiding behind the anonymity of the Internet, is rude in half. Once on Znamenka 19, I was probably the same as you, also in the rank of colonel, trying to be rude: he was sent in public and wiped himself, it was very normal to the Internet. Pay attention to the construction of your speech, it is never too late. In addition, you definitely hear only yourself, the conversation will not work. Write memoirs, maybe grandchildren will be interested, I don’t.
                      21. ccsr
                        ccsr 30 September 2019 12: 58
                        -5
                        Quote: Pete Mitchell
                        Once on Znamenka 19, I was probably the same as you, also in the rank of colonel, trying to be rude: he was sent in public and wiped himself, it was very normal to the Internet.

                        You really are a great fighter with colonels - be proud, you can tell everyone about this, I appreciated your feat.
                        But I didn’t understand what was there with the Airborne Forces and the role of this type of troops in the future war — you can tell something sane, or you can shed it again from a direct question, accusing me that I don’t listen to you. I listen very carefully, tell me about my visions ...
                      22. A good one
                        A good one 30 September 2019 11: 56
                        -3
                        Quote: ccsr
                        Nothing, next time you will think when you start the next company against an objectionable person on the forum.

                        My joy, the archive of the service record is dragged with you and you are ranting with us here as on the forecourt, soon the cygans will drive up, they love such impressionable people. smile
                      23. ccsr
                        ccsr 30 September 2019 11: 17
                        -4
                        Quote: NN52
                        And in the 90s we served in distant garrisons, where no one attacked ...

                        I didn’t choose the service - I served where I was sent, so you’ll try to tell simpletons about your garrison. And he also began to serve in the garrison, though unique to the armed forces, unlike yours. So whoever studied what he served there - what claims to me personally if you joined the army of your own free will?
                        Quote: NN52
                        I began service in Sakhalin in 93, unlike you, the rear ....

                        Don’t make people laugh, balabol - as everyone already understood, you are too illiterate to determine my service, and you have no idea where and by whom I served. By the way, where did you finish it, and by whom - why not tell?
                      24. NN52
                        NN52 30 September 2019 20: 38
                        -2
                        ccsr (ccsr)
                        Wow....
                        Unique garrison? What are you talking about??? Smiled again ...
                        Well, for you "dumb", I started with the Smirnykhs (also a kind of unique garrison), and in Armavir, unlike your messenger, they didn't take illiterates ...
                        Tie up with rudeness, otherwise you will rake, I warned.
                      25. ccsr
                        ccsr 30 September 2019 20: 51
                        -2
                        Quote: NN52
                        Wow....
                        Unique garrison? What are you talking about??? Smiled again ...

                        It’s unique - you don’t understand this flyer, because your Smirnykh and Armavir simply suck with the tasks that were performed in it.
                        Quote: NN52
                        Tie up with rudeness, otherwise you will rake, I warned.

                        Touch off the racket, you have already shown yourself in all its glory, now you have also turned to informers ...
                      26. NN52
                        NN52 30 September 2019 20: 57
                        0
                        ccsr (ccsr)
                        Am I a rapper? And about snitches? What are you talking about? Abnormal? Explain?
                      27. ccsr
                        ccsr 30 September 2019 21: 06
                        -2
                        Quote: NN52
                        Am I a rapper?

                        Of course. Read what you wrote to me, and you will immediately realize that the people of my circle immediately realized that you were just a thump.
                        Quote: NN52
                        And about snitches? What are you talking about?

                        Yes, there was already one who intimidated me that he would complain to the administration, here you are there, which is not surprising after you were ridiculed for ignorance. Have you figured out what kind of officers are, or how will you determine their position as slogans? What kind of officer are you if you do not know how the officer in active military service differs from those who are in reserve or retired?
                      28. NN52
                        NN52 30 September 2019 23: 00
                        -1
                        ccsr (ccsr)
                        This is why you took the balabol, that I was going to intimidate you with the administration ??? You are a naive semi-military ignoramus, apparently in the army you were sitting in a depot, and you have a vague idea of ​​combat training in principle ...
                        And laugh, what kind of people in your circle ??? The Wizards ????
                        What officers are and are, I know, unlike you, who simply has been registered with the military registration and enlistment office since 96 (after your resignation, unless of course you were taken out of the army without pension and without the right to wear a military uniform) and a lot of tryndit and rude not on business ..
                        You can generally connect all your comments and understand what you have done here?
                        I think I’m no longer in a position ... You got stuck on the use of the Airborne Forces and the military registration and enlistment office (by the way, is it a martyr who raised your pension today? Or didn’t you even deserve it?)
                        Many have already told you here that it’s just not interesting to talk with someone like you, you don’t understand ...
                      29. ccsr
                        ccsr 1 October 2019 12: 39
                        -2
                        Quote: NN52
                        You can generally connect all your comments and understand what you have done here?
                        I think I’m not able to ... You stuck on the use of airborne

                        I didn’t weave anything, just amateurs are not able to understand what I wrote about because of my ignorance in military affairs.
                        By the way, if you, wise guy, had at least once encountered a repair of equipment after landing in the GK-30, which cannot be pulled to a scheduled repair after regular exercises, you would not have blabbed about your coolness. And this was a problem that was difficult to solve, but you are an amateur in technology and weapons, and that’s why you don’t understand why I talked about dropping off decommissioned items during exercises.
                        Quote: NN52
                        What officers are and are, I know

                        Yes, you don’t know nifig - you were sitting at the airport, where I saw nothing besides flights, but I decided that you can decide who the officer is here and who is not. And your ideas about the army are just wild - you still didn’t understand why the type of the Air Force’s armed forces disappeared forever, and now you are just a kind of army waiting for reduction, with the exception of long-range and transport aviation.
                      30. mmaxx
                        mmaxx 1 October 2019 08: 55
                        0
                        Hyhe. I venture to get for trolling.
                        He was not a truck, but the cap had wrinkled a crease.
                    3. Russia
                      Russia 29 September 2019 18: 08
                      +5
                      Quote: ccsr
                      You sucks a long time

                      Don’t you suck?
                      As an inspector of the headquarters, he served and served at a time when the hunchback drove out more than one hundred thousand along with the equipment in the field, and there the families of the officers and the officers themselves. And you organized all this and accompanied it all, naturally dripping, in terms of not fulfilling orders and the deadlines for fulfilling them. As a result, you, a werewolf, demobilized at 96, settled for special "merits" in Moscow, celebrate round dates with the same rat cubs and complain that your son is after graduation today !!! The 11th grade is stupid as a gelding, although you, an opportunist, placed him in a prestigious school in Moscow. The army today is worse for you than it was then, of course, because they discouraged you from it, it is a pity, of course, that by age. I apologize to the servicemen for their intemperance, but I'm tired of him already here.hi
                      1. ccsr
                        ccsr 29 September 2019 19: 19
                        -2
                        Quote: Rusland
                        Don’t you suck?

                        Judging by the fact that none of the luminaries here could give an adequate answer to my simple questions, I have not sucked.
                        Quote: Rusland
                        As a staff inspector, he served and served at the time when the hunchback drove out not one hundred thousand together with the equipment in the field, and there the families of officers and the officers themselves.

                        How did you serve Gorbachev? Or did you personally leave the army due to disagreement with him? Tell everyone, do not be shy.
                        As for me, I served, if only because I believed that the country needed it.
                        Quote: Rusland
                        As a result, you, a werewolf, demobilized at 96, settled for special "merits" in Moscow, celebrate round dates with the same rat cubs and complain that your son is after graduation today !!!

                        You seem to be one more wretch - you decided to hang your problems on me, and as a miserable loser, you try to ascribe your cowardice of that time to me, although no one interfered with your service in the army, taking my place. Only you wouldn’t succeed - people like you in the SA weren’t particularly respected, that’s why you are trying to embellish your past by blaming anyone but yourself.
                        Quote: Rusland
                        11 classes are stupid like a gelding, although you, an opportunist, placed him in a prestigious school in Moscow.

                        Past the cash register, an envious trepak - a school at the place of residence without any choice, and the son is not as stupid as you, if only because he received two gold medals for successful studies.
                        Quote: Rusland
                        Today’s army is worse for you than then, of course, because you were taken away from it, of course it’s a pity that it’s age.

                        You're lying, verbiage - I left the army myself, and not by age.
                        Quote: Rusland
                        I apologize to the servicemen for the incontinence, but he was tired of it already here.

                        Cry in a waistcoat about your unsuccessful attempt to show your coolness, wipe your snot and tell everyone how you and your kind represent the participation of the Airborne Forces in a future war.
                      2. NN52
                        NN52 29 September 2019 19: 36
                        +1
                        ccsr (ccsr)
                        So ... but can you tell me more about two gold medals in grade 11 ???
                        And just in case .. (about the son, no one asked you to write a couple of days ago, this is your personal initiative, so do not blame me ...) and maybe a grandson, not a son?
                        And ???

                        I can’t believe that such a nonsense is really written by a person who served in those years ... I DO NOT BELIEVE.
                      3. ccsr
                        ccsr 29 September 2019 20: 40
                        -4
                        Quote: NN52
                        So ... but can you tell me more about two gold medals in grade 11 ???

                        Are you a citizen of Russia in general? I began to doubt that you have ideas about the current Russian education, since you do not know that in addition to the All-Russian gold medal, there are also regional gold medals. They also gathered something to me about the level of current education, they would be ashamed, ignoramus.
                        Quote: NN52
                        and maybe a grandson, not a son?

                        I have no grandchildren, only a son.
                        Quote: NN52
                        I can’t believe that such a nonsense is really written by a person who served in those years ... I DO NOT BELIEVE.

                        And I believe that the Russian army was greatly degraded compared to the Soviet, because in my time the officers were really smarter, had a broader horizons and knew better military affairs.
                      4. NN52
                        NN52 29 September 2019 20: 54
                        0
                        ccsr (ccsr)
                        Are you talking about this second medal ??

                        To be honest, everyone smiles in the scientific community on this subject ...
                        Muscovites annealed as usual ....

                        And to which point did you correspond? If you didn’t really speak about the level of education of your son (grandson)?
                      5. ccsr
                        ccsr 29 September 2019 21: 34
                        -3
                        Quote: NN52
                        To be honest, everyone smiles in the scientific community on this subject ...

                        But then you are clearly not from the scientific community - why are you loving?
                        By the way, here is an approximate criterion for some regional medals:
                        Applicants for a regional gold medal must have semi-annual, annual and final marks “excellent” in all general subjects of the curriculum for grades 10 and 11. The federal gold medal is issued to graduates who have all the final marks in the subjects of the curriculum “excellent”. As you can see, the regional medal is stricter in terms of criteria.

                        Quote: NN52
                        Muscovites annealed as usual ....

                        Do not lie - regional medals exist in almost all regions of the Russian Federation.
                        Quote: NN52
                        If you didn’t speak very much about the level of education of your sons

                        And why do you need it, especially since I had in mind the level of graduates of his school?
                      6. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 29 September 2019 20: 58
                        0
                        Quote: ccsr
                        in my time, officers were really smarter, had a broader horizons and knew better military affairs

                        For you, this somehow will not be determined ... my friend ...

                        Or are you out of your time? wink
    3. Glory1974
      Glory1974 27 September 2019 09: 07
      +4
      The Chinese, as always, lie, our military schools have always graduated worthy and competent officers

      Yes, they did. But the problem is that our combined arms officers were not very good at fighting. Engineering training at a high level, but the application in real combat is not very. This was shown by Chechnya and the 08.08.08 war.
      One airborne regiment decided to act, the other led into an ambush, having lost hundreds of fighters, the third with a machine gun in his hands tried to go on the attack demonstrating his heroism. Therefore, the losses we have are such that in no army in the world.
      I have not heard about the loss of dozens of people in one battle, neither the Americans nor the Israelis. And here we have: the Maikop brigade - several hundred people, Yarysh-Mardy - about a hundred, In Argun -121 people, etc.
      All these "commanders" must be driven away and the training system changed.
      At the academy in 2010, at a war game, our foreman of the course decides to sacrifice a company in order to fulfill the combat mission of the brigade. This is how the "red hats" are still learning to fight. Much to our regret.
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 27 September 2019 09: 25
        +3
        I absolutely agree, Pasha Mercedes heaped up business, but after all, schools are not to blame for this. The fish is known where it starts to play with.
      2. Lopatov
        Lopatov 27 September 2019 11: 44
        +2
        Quote: glory1974
        One landing regiment decided to act

        Liberal bike.
        In fact, Pasha Mercedes excused himself in front of journalists, like "ours did not participate in the storming of Grozny together with the Avturkhanovs, and if it was necessary, the Airborne Regiment would have been enough."

        And he was right. In November 94, one regiment would have been enough. But some above Pasha smoked for too long, and Chechens did not lose time.

        He was a thief, not ...
        1. Glory1974
          Glory1974 27 September 2019 23: 08
          0
          Liberal bike.

          This is not a bike. He said just that. Shortly before his death in an interview, he apologized for these words.
          And he was right. In November 94 would have been enough for one regiment.

          Then it would not be enough. Already the group stood on the border with Chechnya, prepared in full. A couple of years earlier, it may have faded, but what happened happened.
          But everything was stupidly organized. Many parts of the Ministry of Defense initially did not even give out cartridges. We thought we came for a walk.
          When Dudaev was informed that the Maikop brigade had set up at the railway station, without military escort, in a convoy, he did not believe it. He sent intelligence to clarify everything once again, and when the information was confirmed, he said: "They themselves signed their own death warrant," and the massacre began. High-ranking generals and officers are primarily to blame for this.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 28 September 2019 08: 24
            +1
            Quote: glory1974
            This is not a bike. He said just that.

            Guess why it is so hard to find a direct quote. Instead, some retelling ...

            But in reality, he said the following:
            - "Well, you know, I'm somehow not very interested in this issue, since the armed forces, in principle, do not participate there. ... Although I watch television, and, it seems, prisoners were captured there and someone else. I, the only thing I know is that on each side - both on the side of Dudayev and on the side of the opposition - a large number of mercenaries are fighting.
            ... If the Russian army was at war, then at least one parachute regiment could resolve all issues within two hours. "


            Quote: glory1974
            Then it would not be enough.

            Here I am guided by the opinion of my commanders of the beginning of the service. And they had nothing to lie for.
          2. ccsr
            ccsr 28 September 2019 17: 52
            -4
            Quote: glory1974
            Then it would not be enough.

            Quite right - then the "disease" had gone too far, and they had a lot of weapons.
            Quote: glory1974
            A couple of years earlier, it may have faded,

            Without a lot of blood, it would not have burned out, and Yeltsin would never have gone to it, because Grachev would have immediately demanded a written order, and then they would have blamed the "popularly elected" for everything. And he could not go for it - he just recently tasted all the power, and could not live without it.
            Quote: glory1974
            And this is primarily the fault of high-ranking generals and officers.

            If anyone is to blame, it is primarily Mityukhin, and he was a protege of Grachev, which is why he was quietly dismissed after the failure of the whole operation. It is a pity that he was not brought to the tribunal for the collapse of the military training of the district, although then the army was doing such that other commanders would not have succeeded.
            Quote: glory1974
            When Dudaev was informed that the Maikop brigade had set up at the railway station, without military escort, in a convoy, he did not believe it. I sent intelligence to clarify everything again, and when the information was confirmed, he said: "They themselves signed their own death warrant,"

            Many legends exist about that war, but by and large, if it has already begun, then it is impossible to play according to the rules of the enemy. And our commanders constantly looked back at the supreme, who even banned the use of aviation, and hence the unthinkable losses among our troops.
  5. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 27 September 2019 07: 46
    +3
    bore the loud name of "optimization".
    The instigators of this optimization must be optimized by yourself, do not mess around! am
  6. Tank hard
    Tank hard 27 September 2019 07: 49
    +2
    But is Russia so interested in China’s opinion on such issues? Does China have any problems? What, China is already a country on which it is necessary to be equal in everything? feel
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 27 September 2019 09: 45
      -6
      Quote: Tank Hard
      But is Russia so interested in China’s opinion on such issues?

      Currently in Russia there are many problems in different aspects of life. Some problems in China have been solved more or less better (just offhand: it's not us, but China is exporting irreplaceable natural resources from Russia; this is the yuan, not the ruble, is included in the list of reserve currencies; this is not Russia, but China does not limit its opportunities in the construction of the Armed Forces. As for the education and training of military personnel, perhaps we need to learn from the Chinese "to raise the prestige of military service" - there in the military registration and enlistment offices bribes are not given for the opportunity to "shift away" from military service ... belay
      Quote: Tank Hard
      What, China is already a country on which it is necessary to be equal in everything?

      Russia is simply obliged to study the world experience in resolving problems, because we exist in the world space among states with different views. Only mentally limited people and incapable of integrating into the international community learn from their own experience. You can learn to defend your political views ... or a showdown in the style of arresting citizens by a completely foreign country if you wish ... or solving issues on territorial claims ...
      One thing is unacceptable - to believe in some fables about your own, purely Russian way of development. Especially if this belief is based on the extinction of the titular nation.
      Here above, a law-abiding citizen made a statement:
      Quote: Mestny
      Any state has periods of going down and going up. And only you all the time keep repeating that we all are finished, and it will come just now.
      Repeat as a mantra, as does the USA with its slaves. But it does not perish and perish.

      Since the beginning of the twentieth century, we have already seen how "God saved the tsar" ... Then we all watched together how the "Union of indestructible republics of the free, which was united forever by the great Russia" ... Now, with joy and lust, we contemplate how Russian crumbs are collected outskirts, and how the Moscow principality and the St. Petersburg consortium "swell" ...
      So, the local patriot! Perhaps you are right in the fact that in the history of any country there are periods of growth and degradation. It is likely that such periods can last quite a long time. BUT!!! stop Tell us your thoughts about the descent of today's Russia. Is the speed high, is this descent like sliding along an inclined slope? Where are the bonds that will contribute to the Great Revival? You probably think your helmsman is the galley rower eternal? I can disappoint you ... He is as finite as any other mortal. Only even he, with all his temperament and charisma, physically cannot stop the extinction of the Russian population ... True, the distribution of passports and the correct data from Rosstat will be able to change the situation ...
      And we will end, and you, and all living things (over time). She (life) continues in children. But in a state where they collect alms for their treatment, and mass death is elevated to something inevitable, one can hope for a happy rebirth, but very carefully - the facts speak otherwise.
      hi
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 27 September 2019 14: 57
        +1
        Quote: ROSS 42
        At present, Russia has many problems in various aspects of life.

        What side is the condescending - instructive (in my opinion) opinion of China on Russian problems?
        Quote: ROSS 42
        As for the education and training of military personnel, perhaps we need to learn from the Chinese how to "raise the prestige of military service" - there they do not give bribes in the military registration and enlistment offices for the opportunity to "shift away" from military service ...

        Apparently you don’t know why there is so ... In China, the population is much larger than in Russia, for example, and good benefits are laid for military service, and the strength of China's armed forces. much less willing to receive these benefits, because the population of China is very large. All this again does not mean that Russia should listen to arrogant teachings ..
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Only mentally limited people and incapable of integrating into the international community learn from their own experience.

        In my opinion, it is somewhat hasty and a little arrogant (to say the least ... feel ) a statement on your part (how many people have you tried to offend ... request )
        Quote: ROSS 42
        You can learn to defend your political views ... or a showdown in the style of arresting citizens by a completely foreign country if you wish ... or solving issues on territorial claims ...

        Well. I don’t know, the Chinese won from this, how is Huawei ... request
        Quote: ROSS 42
        One thing is unacceptable - to believe in some fables about your own, purely Russian way of development.

        In my opinion, it is quite possible, but this is my personal opinion ...
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Especially if this belief is based on the extinction of the titular nation.

        This is a really important and very mournful question. but here about the opinion of China ... feel
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Here above, a law-abiding citizen made a statement:

        If you are talking about a citizen under the nickname "Mestny", then I do not know him personally, perhaps he is an even more worthy citizen than me. I don’t presume to judge, this is only your personal opinion, and you have the right to this, but I have my own opinion ... hi
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 27 September 2019 16: 01
          -5
          Quote: Tank Hard
          Apparently you do not know why It’s there ... In China, the population is much larger than in Russia, for example, and good benefits are laid for military service,

          Yes you? Maybe plot me a course?
          If I am not aware of any question, then I do not write about it. It’s not for you to teach me to distinguish grains from chaff. Train better ...
          1. Tank hard
            Tank hard 27 September 2019 20: 48
            +1
            Quote: ROSS 42
            Do not you teach me

            I do not communicate with like in real life ...
            Quote: ROSS 42
            Maybe plot me a course?

            Already laid, I hope you guessed it? Fair wind ... hi
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