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Is there a Poseidon?

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Around the latest miracle torpedo "Poseidon" (aka "Status-6"), a whole historiography of heated disputes has already developed. Many articles discussing its characteristics, possible device and especially the damage that a torpedo can cause to an adversary.



So often represent "Poseidon"


However, I think that these discussions are worthless, since there are some reasons to believe that Poseidon so far does not really exist as a product capable of independently sailing at least a mile away. Therefore, the debate about its characteristics is a discussion of a purely speculative subject. Discussing speculative things is also very useful, but you need to clearly understand what relates to a pure theory and what to a real model of marine weaponswhich can be applied immediately.

What evidence?


There is not so much evidence of the reality of Poseidon, so they can be listed. The diagram shown on television, two photographs, one of which has a torpedo in the workshop, and the other something in a transport and launch container, lifted by a crane, and, finally, a video of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, which shows how something is shot from the transport and launch container, like the one in the photo.

The diagram on paper must be rejected as strong evidence, since, as you know, paper will endure everything.

The video is also unproven, since it shows very muddy frames of something being shot from something that cannot be unambiguously identified. It can be assumed that we were shown shots of a shot of some product from TPK, like the one shown in the photo. In any case, the lid of the container is very similar.

But is this "Poseidon"? It was not possible to collect unequivocal evidence. In principle, the most affordable way is to compare the dimensions of the product in one photo and the container in another. This does not prove much, but when coincidental, at least it suggests.


A transport and launch container suspended on a traverse


Only here the size of the container is unlikely to be determined from the photograph. The container hangs on the traverse (a device for slinging and lifting long loads with a crane). Knowing the dimensions of the traverse, it would not be so difficult to calculate the dimensions of the container suspended under it. This traverse is an unusual, special manufacture, designed to lift oversized cargo with the possibility of balancing cargo. A patent belonging to the design bureau of heavy engineering was issued for it, which describes in detail the device and the principles of operation of this beam. But the dimensions are not indicated in the patent, and due to the fact that this product is piecewise and not standard, its technical data are also not available in the public domain.

The same applies to another photograph. Although approximate calculations are possible by the height of the person (who is visible behind the torpedo), it is very rude, since the growth of people varies quite a lot, and therefore you can make a mistake. Other objects or pieces of equipment, standard, with a known size, are also not present in the frame, in any case, I could not find them.




Two photos of a product in a workshop called Poseidon


Against the background of the products, there are various kinds of pipes (the sizes of which are standard), visible spans of the workshops (the sizes of which are also standard), however they are quite far from the product and therefore using them as a scale will also lead to gross errors.

So, we cannot independently compare at least the geometric dimensions of the two products from the photographs presented, and it follows that it is far from the fact that the torpedo in one photo is the same torpedo in the other photo, and that it is fired in the video presented. This cannot be confirmed by anything. If someone believes that Poseidon has actually been tested, then this is only a matter of faith in the relevant statements.

Life-size layout


Photos carry a lot of different information, including the one that the shooter did not want to display. For example, from a photo of a torpedo in the workshop, we can conclude that this is not a real torpedo, but only its overall size in full size, possibly made for a certain kind of test.

The fact is that on any real torpedo there is a certain number of hatches, valves and connectors, which are intended for servicing and putting the torpedo into combat readiness. In addition, on a combat torpedo, the warhead is detachable, which is clearly visible both in color and in bolt fastening of the warhead to the hull.

Is there a Poseidon?

Torpedo 53-65. You can clearly see how many hatches, valves and holes are on it. "Poseidon", which should be much more complex in terms of this torpedo, must also have many hatches, valves, connectors on the body


In the presented photo, we see, firstly, the complete absence of such hatches, valves and connectors on the body of the product. And there should be a lot of them and more than the torpedo. There should be a large hatch for access to the reactor, a hatch for access to the propulsion system, hatches for access to the hydraulic rudders. There should be connectors for cables designed to control and control torpedo assemblies (especially the reactor) while it is docked to the launch boat. Moreover, since they say about Poseidon that it can swim far and change the depth of immersion, which suggests the possibility of a change in buoyancy, that is, the presence of ballast tanks and the valves that it relies on.

Finally, the warhead must be detachable. In the photo we see the exact opposite: a detachable stern with a screw-steering group, and the rest of the hull is not enough that does not have hatches and valves, so it is also made one-piece.

By virtue of these observations, I believe that the product shown in the photo is a mass-sized torpedo model designed for testing in the pool, as well as for towing. It probably does not have an engine and is towed by a boat for testing (the holes in the head are very similar to the closures for securing the towing end). Since it is huge and noticeably larger than other torpedoes, it is advisable to find out how it behaves, say, at the 30 nodes: does it keep its course and depth, does it have enough rudders for maneuvers, and so on, and in marine conditions, with excitement, currents and fluctuations in water salinity. If you make a device designed for long-distance autonomous navigation in the underwater position, then you can’t do without such tests.

So, most likely, at the moment, "Poseidon" simply does not exist as a product that can swim at least a mile, not to mention something more. The mock-up may say that work is underway on some product, which in the distant future may become Poseidon, but there is no complete certainty that this is so. In general, all this can be misinformation from the very beginning and from the first word, moreover, misinformation for a wide variety of purposes.

Therefore, I would propose to moderate the ardor somewhat, since a discussion of the characteristics and capabilities of Poseidon is only a pure theory.
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  1. Dr. Hub
    Dr. Hub 29 September 2019 04: 38
    +42
    If Poseidon is not there, he must be invented. Let the "friends" rack their brains. A kind of version of our SDI (it does not exist, but it is for everyone)
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 29 September 2019 04: 46
      +12
      if anything, then there is also "avant-garde", and other cartoons.
      1. lis-ik
        lis-ik 29 September 2019 10: 28
        -23
        Quote: Aerodrome
        if anything, then there is also "avant-garde", and other cartoons.

        Is there anyway? The avant-garde is more likely to be yes than not (developed by the USSR), I’m not sure about the rest. This powerful gang is capable of nothing but robbery and muhlezh.
        1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
          Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 29 September 2019 13: 56
          +28
          The Poseidon system exists. There is an experimental carrier Sarov. There is a ship providing asterisk
          Under construction is a standard carrier Khabarovsk. And recently Belgorod was launched. Photo Sarov.
          1. Machito
            Machito 29 September 2019 18: 41
            +42
            -You see a gopher? But he is. (C) An article is about nothing. If, if only, then mushrooms would grow in my mouth ... If the author had really posted any information about Poseidon, he would not have written the next article, but received it.
          2. Ingenegr
            Ingenegr 30 September 2019 14: 28
            +4
            And "Sarov" and "Khabarovsk", etc. etc. can be carriers of anything. They themselves are not serious arguments for the existence of "Poseidon". This is the same level of argumentation "for" as that of the author of the article "against".
        2. Oleg Cheb
          Oleg Cheb 29 September 2019 16: 11
          +17
          But will the Russian "elite" of many thousands allow to deliver a crushing blow with the Russian miracle weapon to the territories of Russia's geopolitical enemies ?! After all, it's not a secret for anyone that it is there, in the supportive (towards them) "civilized west" that all the national wealth of the country that they have brought out over 30 years of domination in Russia are located! Their families prosper there. Their offspring learns and has fun, reproduces and is engaged in a profitable business. So, will the "elite" of collaborators allow events to develop according to this scenario ?! And with what will they then remain in ruined and alien to them Russia, with birches and bows of St. George's ribbons on the chest ?!

          Reply
          1. The comment was deleted.
          2. foxhounds
            foxhounds 1 October 2019 06: 46
            -3
            And who will ask them, Shoigu?
        3. Yar_Vyatkin
          Yar_Vyatkin 30 September 2019 13: 18
          +9
          Another connoisseur of strategic nuclear forces? 15Y71 has nothing in common with the USSR. He has been flying since the 11 year. 15Y70 flew with 2004. And also had no relation to the USSR. Here is their ancestor, Albatross - he came from there. And before them there were different 15F178 and the like. There have been many developments. Conditionally - 0 generation. Albatross - 1, 70 - 2 and 71 and another car - the current, third. Developments, of course, rely on the whole backlog on the topic. But they are ours, not the USSR. Stop flogging nonsense, she is not a supporter of BDSM
          1. kupitman
            kupitman 1 October 2019 16: 43
            -3
            And this is always so, so you can safely attach the su-57 to the su-2 - is there a wing? Is there a flashlight? that’s all, development before WWII ...
        4. vmo
          vmo 2 October 2019 07: 46
          -2
          instead of you, whom you haunt, you would all live better than Rockefeller, you would locksmith, anika.
      2. kuz363
        kuz363 29 September 2019 13: 24
        -22
        The same muhlyazh as the Petrel
        1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
          Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 29 September 2019 14: 07
          +21
          Data? Only the material existence of "Sarov", "Belgorod" and some "product". All. The rest are contradictory inventions and delusional fantasies.
      3. g1v2
        g1v2 29 September 2019 13: 31
        +38
        There is nothing - everything on Mosfilm filmed. Together with the Crimean bridge, but in the neighboring pavilion. laughing
    2. Beringovsky
      Beringovsky 29 September 2019 04: 57
      +14
      "Friends" are not fools at all. And apparently, cartoons are not being played.
      1. bar
        bar 29 September 2019 12: 26
        -2
        "Friends" are not fools at all. And apparently, cartoons are not being played.

        Do you know this for sure? Did they tell you that?
        1. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 29 September 2019 13: 04
          +2
          They said this to everyone and publicly, the network is full of speeches by the American military and other bosses.
          1. bar
            bar 29 September 2019 13: 35
            -3
            And you certainly believe them more than ours? Okay, let's write it down.
            1. NordUral
              NordUral 29 September 2019 18: 21
              +4
              To believe in this is to not respect yourself. And where are you all writing this, bar?
              1. Okolotochny
                Okolotochny 30 September 2019 13: 16
                +1
                Yes Yes. These, whom you believe through the lips of their leader (R. Reagan), declared the USSR an "Evil Empire". Will we believe? You (pseudo-communists) simply amaze me with the ABSOLUTE LACK OF LOGIC in your attempts. You have only FIGHT on your mind (no longer class), the main thing is that there is a FIGHT. And intelligence and logic are secondary at best.
          2. meandr51
            meandr51 29 September 2019 13: 48
            0
            Full of speeches about the "Russian hypersonic threat". At the same time, it does not matter at all how they relate to cartoons. They themselves produce this good enough.
            1. lukewarm
              lukewarm 30 September 2019 08: 35
              +2
              Quote: meandr51
              Full of speeches on the "Russian hypersonic threat"

              At the same time, the scale of this threat is not important. Everything is like everyone else: under this "threat" you need to look for an answer, so GIVE DENYUH ...
          3. ZAV69
            ZAV69 29 September 2019 15: 58
            +7
            Quote: Fan-Fan
            They said this to everyone and publicly, the network is full of speeches by the American military and other bosses.

            The American military and other bosses publicly carry all kinds of nonsense and are not responsible for their words. More or less adequately, they begin to be expressed only after retirement.
        2. vmo
          vmo 2 October 2019 07: 48
          0
          tell who your friend is and everything is clear with you.
    3. nickname7
      nickname7 29 September 2019 06: 48
      -4
      there is some reason to believe that "Poseidon" so far in reality, as a product capable of independently sailing even a measured mile, does not exist.

      Well, finally, they began to think on their own, and then they got used to parroting.
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother 29 September 2019 09: 17
        +6
        Quote: nickname7
        And apparently, cartoons are not conducted.

        It's not bad. The surprise will be all the more unexpected.
        1. Monster_Fat
          Monster_Fat 29 September 2019 09: 50
          -41
          "Friends" are not fools at all. And apparently, cartoons are not being played.

          Naturally, they are not "conducted", since they understand that all these "Poseidons" and "Petrels" are in fact only conceptual developments, with which, to full-scale samples, "like a mountain with cancer". It is another matter that they are "being conducted" at the threat of uncontrolled nuclear pollution of the environment, which has already been caused and will cause in the future by such developments in such a disorderly country as Russia. yes
          1. Gray brother
            Gray brother 29 September 2019 10: 19
            +10
            Quote: Monster_Fat
            environmental pollution, which has already been caused and will subsequently be caused by similar developments in such a careless country as Russia.

            Are you rooting for icology?
            It’s not for you then, it’s for you to the Eponets nada.
            Especially for vases, a musical break:
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin 29 September 2019 10: 33
              +5
              Quote: Gray Brother
              Especially for vases, a musical break:

              Yeah. The girl Mosh was taken out radically
              1. Harry.km
                Harry.km 29 September 2019 13: 00
                -22
                Quote: Lipchanin
                The girl Mosh was taken out radically

                Don't you? The girl, despite Asperger's syndrome, takes a clear position, in contrast to you, whose position changes depending on the article. To say that nothing is happening to the climate is at least to hide your head in the sand. The low-respected paid workers of the forum unanimously advocate the use of the Northern Sea Route (NSR), telling how everyone will heal well and happily when the ice melts on the NSR and the bulk carriers Volgodon can be driven without icebreakers in a couple of weeks from Vladik to Arkhangelsk. And the future has already come ... I do not know when the ice on the NSR will melt, but the fact that fires around the world, abnormal droughts and showers, temperature fluctuations, glacier shrinkage, changes in sea currents, the extinction of species and other delights can already be observed with the naked eye. I just want to scream. Hey people come to your senses! You can troll on the forums, but not the fact that the trolls will live to see this bright future, when unaccompanied barges go along the NSR. Most likely in this era you and not me will not have to live ... And you "washed" about the brain
                1. Lipchanin
                  Lipchanin 29 September 2019 13: 39
                  +32
                  Quote: Harry.km
                  The girl, despite Asperger’s syndrome, has a clear position,

                  Which one? Prohibit production? Prohibit hydrocarbon production? Do not use vehicles with ICE? Children do not go to school? And why doesn’t she forbid mom to advertise products in vacuum packaging? She does not know that this packaging pollutes nature for centuries?
                  Did she lose her childhood? But didn’t they deprive the children of Donbass in Syria and Africa? Why is she not worried about them?
                  unlike you, whose position varies depending on the article.

                  The example in the studio
                  I don’t know when the ice on the NSR melts, but the fact that fires around the world, abnormal droughts and showers, temperature spikes, shrinking glaciers, changing sea currents, extinction of species and other delights can already be observed with the naked eye

                  And before such anomalies were not?
                  What kind of plant did you call the ice age?
                  Atlantis sank from oil rigs?
                  Do you also propose closing ALL productions?
                  All transfer to scooters.
                  Ban airplanes? Ships? Go sailing?
                  WHAT SPECIFICALLY OFFER ??? One solid BLABBLA.
                  And you about the brain "washed"

                  Washed. Is it in vain that Soros pays for all this?
                  She simply could not reach this with her brains.
                  By the way, the crew of the yacht, 80 people who brought it to America, flew home by plane laughing
                  1. Sasha_rulevoy
                    Sasha_rulevoy 30 September 2019 17: 34
                    +2
                    Quote: Lipchanin
                    crew of a yacht, 80 people


                    Few - fig a yacht. It's a whole windjammer. "Kruzenshtern" (in a common sense) was hired. Such a small one, and already the bastard has passed through, like, doing nothing, at someone else's expense on a yacht.
                2. krops777
                  krops777 29 September 2019 13: 55
                  +22
                  The girl, despite Asperger syndrome, takes a clear position


                  A clear hmm, at every corner it’s shouting that people are to blame for the greenhouse effect, that they produce a lot of CO2, but according to scientists, humanity produces between 7-16 gigatons of carbon dioxide per year, while only the Pacific emits up to 80 gigatons carbon dioxide, or decaying foliage in the fall to 60 Gigatons of CO2, Americans for example know this very well and do not join any kind of green protocols, and the girl needs to learn and not skip school.

                  I don’t know when the ice on the NSR melts, but the fact that fires all over the world, abnormal droughts and showers, temperature spikes, decreasing glaciers, changing sea currents, extinction of species and other delights can already be observed with the naked eye. I just want to scream. Hey people, change your mind!


                  So what? In the history of the earth much more large-scale events took place, oh, we live a little, I do not argue that nature needs to be preserved for future generations, but it does not matter what you wrote above about the cataclysms.
                  1. Harry.km
                    Harry.km 29 September 2019 17: 59
                    -19
                    Quote: krops777
                    A clear hmm, at every corner it screams that people are to blame for the greenhouse effect, that they produce a lot of CO2

                    Of course to blame ... and not only in the greenhouse effect. The level of CO2 over the past 100 years is constantly growing. And people have nothing to do with it ... they don’t burn energy and do not cut down forests.
                    Quote: krops777
                    The Pacific Ocean emits up to 80 gigatons of carbon dioxide, or decaying foliage in the fall to 60 gigatons of CO2

                    So these gigatons entered a balanced system. And a man came and added his 5% to the production of CO2 and slightly mowed the forests. The system is out of balance!
                    Quote: krops777
                    In the history of the earth much more large-scale events took place, oh, we live a little, I do not argue that nature needs to be preserved for future generations, but it does not matter what you wrote above about the cataclysms.

                    Well, let's not talk about meteorites, dinosaurs and other Atlantis. It is an anthropogenic factor and it is recognized by scientists on the whole planet.
                    And Greta just shows her civic position, as she can ... even if he says that CO2 is to blame. But it draws attention to a problem that really exists.

                    )
                    Quote: krops777
                    and the girl needs to study and not skip school.


                    And here we listen to the girl herself:

                    "All wrong. I should not stand here. I have to be at school across the ocean. And you want hope from me? Shame on you! Your empty words stole my dreams and my childhood. I was lucky. People are suffering. People die. Entire ecosystems are dying. We are at the beginning of the mass extinction of species. And all you are talking about is money and tales of economic growth. Shame on you!" (with)
                    And yes ... these are leftist ideas, this is not liberalism.
                    1. Edmond dantes
                      Edmond dantes 1 October 2019 15: 27
                      +1
                      Did you get new training manuals?
                3. ZAV69
                  ZAV69 29 September 2019 16: 07
                  +18
                  A girl is a talking head voicing the words of A. Gore, who raped huge amounts of money on the sale of quotas. If the stars light up, then someone needs it. Tell me the probability that a simple girl Masha from Tver will speak from the UN rostrum.
                  1. Lipchanin
                    Lipchanin 29 September 2019 17: 21
                    +6
                    Quote: ZAV69
                    A girl is a talking head voicing the words of A. Gore

                    And here is the result for you
                    Children are “great pawns”

                    Something long unseen is happening in Italy. On Friday, September 27, hundreds of thousands of students and schoolchildren left classes and drove out into the streets in droves with slogans and banners - to protect the climate on the planet ...

                    In Milan, the center of the city was filled with about 300 thousand people. In the central square of the Duomo, a crowd of young people, screaming and hooting, burned a huge model of the globe, chanting in chorus: “Save the planet!”, “Our house is on fire!”, “Act quickly!”. In Turin, the mayor of the city, Stefano Miserocchi, joined the demonstrators, who announced the threat of a huge glacier leaving Mont Blanc ...
                    Similar actions took place simultaneously in 180 (!) Italian cities, about 1 million people took part in them. Judging by the commercials posted in the Italian media, young people seemed to be swepte, they shouted and chanted as if a catastrophe on the planet should break out tomorrow.
                    Violent demonstrations, for which the special slogan Fridays for Future was coined, took place in many cities outside Italy. Teenagers, young men, and girls urge every Friday to go on strike, not to go to classes and to demand urgent measures from the authorities to prevent the "death of the planet."
                    The starting point of the bacchanalia was a speech at the UN General Assembly by the 16-year-old girl Greta Thunberg from Sweden, an autist, a disabled child, whom we wrote about.
                    Greta at the head of the international movement of schoolchildren urges to skip classes and protest against the human impact on the environment. Amnesty International awarded Greta the title of Ambassador of Conscience. Deputies of the Swedish Riksdag from the Left Party and deputies of the Norwegian Storting from the Socialist Left Party (both structures unite eco-socialists, neo-Marxists, Trotskyists, LGBT activists and radical feminists) nominated Greta for the Nobel Peace Prize. American Time included her among the 100 most influential people of 2019.

                    Allegedly spontaneous performances of adolescents and youth in "climate protection" began, as if on command, in Italy and in many other countries. For some reason, no one asks: are there no more pressing problems than climate? Who is so synchronously triggering a reaction around the world?
                    The Italian newspaper Dzhornale (ilgiornale.it) recalled that many scientists, while recognizing the urgent need to fight for environmental protection, strongly oppose the disaster spells that Greta casts. The Jornale reports that recently, 500 world-renowned scientists sent a letter to the UN Secretary General in protest against the fanning of the "climate alert." At the origins of the initiative is the geophysicist professor at The Hague University, Guus Berkhout, who was supported by scientists and research organizations from 13 countries. However, nobody paid attention to the “five hundred letter” ...

                    As the Italian professor Franco Battaglia notes, we are currently leaving the Small Ice Age, and this has been going on for three centuries. And for the past 150 years, the climate has been stable beyond all expectations: a temperature increase of barely 0,8 degrees over the past 150 years. “Are there any other points? - the newspaper asks. “Very well, let's discuss, but without panic.”
                    However, a panic request was received. And the panic is intensified. Who! No answer. The main thing is that the image of protest was successfully found - “the girl with pigtails” Greta, a fighter for the purity of nature on Earth. A teenager with autism was chosen. To criticize such a “politically incorrect” one is a reliable means of exciting society.

                    As Rich Lowry, editor-in-chief of the American National Review magazine emphasizes, Greta Thunberg was created using cynical adults using special technology. Created as a tool. “Children are specially driven to hysteria and depression,” Lowry writes, advising readers to ignore Greta’s fervent remarks about the climate disaster. Of the children, Rich Lowry recalled, “they make excellent pawns,” and they turned a Swedish schoolgirl into such a pawn.

                    Totally here
                    https://vpoanalytics.com/2019/09/29/gretu-tunberg-izobreli-zlonamerennye-vzroslye-kak-instrument/?utm_source=politobzor.net
                    1. Town Hall
                      Town Hall 29 September 2019 17: 27
                      +2
                      Quote: Lipchanin
                      In Turin, mayor Stefano Miserocchi joined the demonstrators

                      Stop circulating your umbrellaless fakes. Mayor of Torino woman. Chiara Appendino
                      1. Harry.km
                        Harry.km 29 September 2019 18: 33
                        -10
                        Quote: Town Hall
                        bespontovye fakes

                        He is paid not for the truth, but for using the training manual. These are the people who themselves have never and nowhere "have not been, have not participated and have not been involved" Their task would not be like in Ukraine, whatever we want, like in Paris. I already wrote above the opinion of this gentleman changes from article to article. Now, if Kisilev, Solovyov or Skabeeva had said this, there would be tons of joy ... and so some kind of girl, you think ...
                      2. Town Hall
                        Town Hall 29 September 2019 18: 41
                        -4
                        Everyone survives as best he can)
                      3. Lipchanin
                        Lipchanin 29 September 2019 19: 03
                        +6
                        Quote: Harry.km
                        He is paid not for the truth, but for using the training manual.

                        Your happiness is far away and I don’t know personally .. For such nonsense they beat me in the face on the go !!!!
                        Can you prove that I get money for my posts?
                        Spread it !!!!!
                        BLABABOL !!!!! Yo!
                        I already wrote the opinion of this gentleman is changing

                        My opinion about you and people like you has never changed.
                        Liberate provocateurs
                        I know that I will get a ban, but to remain silent and not say that I think of you below my dignity !!!!
                      4. Harry.km
                        Harry.km 29 September 2019 19: 37
                        -9
                        Quote: Lipchanin
                        Can you prove that I get money for my posts?

                        Gentlemen take the word. You posted a fake about the mayor of Turin, did not even bother to check whether this is so or not. About some links as an argument ... And here I read that you are a paid troll, then this comment was deleted. The comment was deleted, but the sediment remained. Well, do not worry, you just turned out to be an old training manual. ... one for two by scotommanuel))) He continues to get confused in the buttons to learn the Russian language ... as usual ... vna ... by happiness))) Once again slowly read everything that I wrote. The girl has her own position, you and the catamanuel do not. Ecology is now worse than it was, but better than it will be. If it makes no difference to you, then not everyone lives by the principle of my hut from the edge. Survive as you can!)))
                      5. Lipchanin
                        Lipchanin 29 September 2019 20: 22
                        +3
                        Quote: Harry.km
                        Gentlemen take the word.

                        You to the gentleman, as a sinner to Paradise
                        You posted a fake about the mayor of Turin,

                        Yeah ???
                        What is it like?
                        Mer Turin spent the week at the desk about the week and hour of the final League of Champions
                        Mer Turinu Chiara Appendino was pleased with the information about embossing before an hour of the League of Champions Mizh finals "Juventus" and "Real"

                        This is the first thing I found
                        And here I read that you are a paid troll, then this comment was deleted

                        If I start telling you what they say about you, at the time you will leave the site in disgrace
                        you and catamanuel do not have it

                        I set it out. I can repeat it.
                        The girl is sick and used
                        Ecology is now worse than it was, but better than it will be.

                        So fight. Not on the couch. Take an example from her, arrange actions, pickets ...
                        But you have no time. You need to collect gossip about "paid trolls"
                        Do you even tell me who pays me and how much laughing
                        People are interested, otherwise it turns out all your steam goes off laughing
                        BLABBLA solid laughing
                      6. picus
                        picus 30 September 2019 02: 51
                        +5
                        Ummm ... ecology can neither be improved nor worsened ... Like geometry ...
                      7. frog
                        frog 30 September 2019 09: 30
                        0
                        And they do not care. The word is familiar .... What difference does it mean .....
                      8. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 29 September 2019 19: 12
                        0
                        Quote: Harry.km
                        what would not be like in Ukraine, what would we not want, like in Paris

                        To, in this case, is written together. You are slurred. As usual, however.

                        In fact - from what you "want, like in Paris", there will be "like inna". Well, if you give free rein.

                        Happily, they will not give you freedom. Therefore, as VNA - there will not be.

                        Sleep well. Rip yes
                      9. Lipchanin
                        Lipchanin 29 September 2019 18: 58
                        -1
                        Quote: Town Hall
                        Stop circulating your umbrellaless fakes. Mayor of Torino woman. Chiara Appendino

                        Follow the link. I didn’t take it from the ceiling
                    2. NordUral
                      NordUral 29 September 2019 18: 40
                      0
                      I agree with you Lipchanin
                    3. ZAV69
                      ZAV69 29 September 2019 20: 51
                      +8
                      Quote: Lipchanin
                      And here is the result for you

                      Here a certain technology of youth manipulation was applied to the campaign. Such a sabbath cannot be assembled by itself. And if such a technology is applied against our youth? Given the fact that our youth did not stand close by law to the Italian, it would be much cooler, with pogroms and indicative suicides.
                      Conclusion: to increase the analytical departments in the FSB, to target them to all sorts of youth parties. And getting ready to take urgent measures.
                4. SovAr238A
                  SovAr238A 29 September 2019 18: 34
                  +27
                  Quote: Harry.km
                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  The girl Mosh was taken out radically

                  Do not you? The girl, despite Asperger’s syndrome, has a clear position,

                  The position of a very stupid girl ... Just stupid ... Just a European. who has watched TV and knows nothing about real life ...

                  Read the many letters below ...
                  At a time when the girl Greta, writhing, talked about the stolen childhood and the struggle for the environment, such events took place in the real world.

                  At Agbogbloshi, the world's largest electronics dump in Accra, the capital of African Ghana, thousands of children burned computer cases and television sets to extract non-ferrous metals.

                  And in Bangladeshi Khazabibagh, thousands of children in tanneries were breathing vapors of hexavalent chromium. It causes cancer. But thanks to him, the skin becomes much more durable material. And it is bought by the world's leading shoe companies. And the salary for children in Bangladesh is $ 35 per week.

                  And in general, so that the Greta girls from the First World had something to wear, millions of children in Pakistan, Indonesia, and the Philippines worked 10 hours a day. Making sneakers, jeans, shirts, t-shirts of top and not very brands.

                  Greta’s fiery speech was shot on mobile, and so that there were more mobile, in the Congo, children at the same time climbed into the illegal digging of coltanite ore and cobalt. Tantalum is extracted from coltan, without which our electronics do not work. And so that children dig better, other children, 12-year-old militants, are fighting in gangs guarding kopanks.

                  During the break, uncles and aunts discussed Greta over a cup of coffee, grains of which were collected by ten-year-old children on plantations in Burundi. And in order to make it nice to smoke a cigarette for coffee (well, ok, not immediately for coffee, on the street until no one sees it), in Zimbabwe, children on the plantations collected tobacco, breathing pesticides.

                  It’s good to fight for the environment in Europe and to lament to the UN for the destructive carbon emissions from aircraft. Well, you can also fight for saving the climate.

                  The neocolonial system allows you to be progressive, open and save the world, forcing you to abandon plastic in favor of paper bags. Because for packages anyway, forests are cut in Brazil. And plastic will be taken to Asia for processing, where because of this, people will get sick and die.

                  And the girl Greta is not cynical at all. She's just clinically stupid. Cynical are those who invented and use it. But in any case, the real struggle for the environment is a struggle against the current system, the consumer society and neocolonialism. How is this possible? Bees do not fight with honey.
                  1. frog
                    frog 30 September 2019 09: 32
                    0
                    You are wonderful. My regards!!!
                    1. SovAr238A
                      SovAr238A 30 September 2019 18: 22
                      -4
                      Quote: frog
                      You are wonderful. My regards!!!


                      That's not mine. this is a quote from an article ...
                  2. vmo
                    vmo 2 October 2019 07: 54
                    0
                    a very reasonable idea, but you can’t be offended by a sick person, even if you are carrying a blizzard from other people's words.
                5. Yarr_Arr
                  Yarr_Arr 29 September 2019 19: 50
                  +4
                  And why do you, dear, read the articles of the disrespected, and discuss them?
                  Is this your source of salary?
                6. zloyi
                  zloyi 30 September 2019 17: 05
                  0
                  So there was already a girl from the SAR, a girl from Abkhazia, now here is a girl from Sweden. Where the ice is melting, where the Gulf Stream is getting colder - have you seen this? The earth is billions of years old, some species do not die out - the climate has always changed and there have always been hurricanes. Faster people bang each other, then new people will appear from the chimpanzee, as the great Darwin bequeathed to us and so on in a circle ...
                7. Indifferent
                  Indifferent 1 October 2019 16: 07
                  0
                  Ale, citizen, where are you? This year, snow fell in Russia in June, not in the north, and next year the snow fell in September, and also not very in the north. What is the climate warming? International monopolies are cutting loot, the girl was hired to carry nonsense from large stands, and a patient who does not really understand what she is talking about. But you are kind of a healthy person.
            2. Monster_Fat
              Monster_Fat 29 September 2019 10: 49
              -8
              Are you rooting for icology?
              It’s not for you then, it’s for you to the Eponets nada.
              Especially for vases, a musical break:

              There are enough holy fools everywhere .... (I personally like "sands" in this regard (it even looks appropriate) yes ). And for the “ikology” I don’t “get sick” and don’t “comb it”, I just understand that in this “ikology” both me and my children and grandchildren live and will have to continue to live. And your "healthy, patriotic optimism" is fully justified, for you personally, you don't need to remove this: https://7x7-journal.ru/articles/2019/09/03/u-beregov-sela-nyonoksa-v-arhangelskoj -oblasti-brosheny-dve-barzhi-s-vysokim-urovnem-radiacii
              https://123ru.net/smi/7x7-journal/214781281/
              1. Paranoid50
                Paranoid50 29 September 2019 13: 16
                +3
                Quote: Monster_Fat
                this does not need to be removed:

                To begin with, you have to tidy up here, especially after invasions of vagrant biomass, usually aggressive and rich in various excretions. yes
                1. Okolotochny
                  Okolotochny 30 September 2019 13: 19
                  +1
                  This is not a flight, this is a flight, flew over a hill, and now is interested in the life of Russia, on its websites.
            3. Xenofont
              Xenofont 29 September 2019 11: 32
              +6
              I looked and looked and realized: this is the same "girl Gadya"!
              1. garri-lin
                garri-lin 29 September 2019 13: 01
                +2
                This Nen is not Gadia. A crap isn’t so crap.
            4. ddd1975
              ddd1975 30 September 2019 10: 20
              +4
              survived ... listen down - how do we live on ... that's what PR does ... tin
          2. lukewarm
            lukewarm 30 September 2019 08: 43
            +1
            I have to disagree with the second part. "Conducted" and "pollution" are in quotes. Here in the spring, "Chernobyl" looked English. It should be removed with the same naturalism and pathos about Fukushima. And that ass was no worse. And mistakes and negligence and even elementary cowardice neat samurai without fear and reproach made no less. But then their own !!! Therefore, reduce the intensity of disclosures and they will believe you. laughing
          3. Nikolay73
            Nikolay73 30 September 2019 12: 57
            +1
            Vi, excuse me, since childhood is so naive or who helped? Uncontrolled nuclear pollution? How so? Ahhhhhh ... can you remind me, but did Milosevic use depleted uranium and ammunition in the former Yugoslavia? Or NATO (Amer U) liberal he is healing? Maybe it’s not worth it, huh?
          4. vmo
            vmo 2 October 2019 07: 51
            0
            but then, Alaber dumbass.
      2. dauria
        dauria 29 September 2019 14: 30
        +5
        Well, finally, they began to think on their own,


        Okay, let's start "thinking". Even if the author irrefutably proves that there is a sewer pipe in the photo, what does this mean? Just that in this photo there is a sewer pipe. No more, no less. And in no way will it prove that there is no real torpedo in nature. Why crush water in a mortar?
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 29 September 2019 15: 37
          +17
          Quote: dauria
          Okay, let's start "thinking".

          Pancake! But a sensible offer !!!
          1. The author has no military education, let alone a naval one, that's why he has fantasies on a military theme ... like "in the footsteps of the obvious"!
          2. The writer repeats Doni Trump's mantra: - "The Russians scare us, they have nothing but cartoons." (well, like - "Landing on the Moon" ... # 2!)
          3. The reasoning about "hatches and scuppers" is based on the technologies of the 70s of the 20th century, when the firing data was entered into the TO through the spindle box. But electronic data entry appeared - and the box was gone, connectors appeared ...
          4. The data on weapons are classified. The author knows about this, but with the zeal of a schoolboy and the persistence of a provocateur he demands "proof"! (spies - what to take from him!)
          5. Nobody said that the system was on alert, that it was put into service. VVP showed a cartoon about the fact that such VESCH is being developed in our country and will soon enter the arsenal, as a response measure, from the "bins of the Motherland", so to speak! But the author needs to displease the public - hence the distortion of the facts, an attempt to convict the Supreme in a lie, like that - "LIE, satrap! We, liberals, about you bloody GBs, we know the whole truth, and she, the womb, the people - we will tell !!! "
          6. There are facts of test firing with a product from the submarine B-90 "Sarov" ... Well, and about what "measured mile" is the author babbling here?
          7. About the photo and other crap. It can be a simple operation of cover (desa) for fans to hunt for other people's secrets ... And the appearance can tell a lot about the specialists on their own, even without TTX from the drawer ...
          So, the colleague correctly said: - it's time to turn on the brain and start thinking! Otherwise, such authors on the eve of the elections to the State Duma can say such things that you doubt your own parents and children. The Washington Regional Committee is not dragging them for free, for grandees and other buns ...
          Somehow, however.
          AHA.
          1. bk0010
            bk0010 29 September 2019 18: 06
            +3
            Yes, the hatch in the reactor is yes! And besides, this crap should be in the water for several days and sail through half the world, and a torpedo - a dozen minutes. The time is significantly different, so there may well be some kind of outer casing, which is removed entirely, and already underneath is the main body and all kinds of technological holes.
            1. Town Hall
              Town Hall 29 September 2019 18: 11
              -5
              Quote: bk0010
              Yes, the hatch in the reactor is yes! And besides, this crap should be in the water for several days and sail through half the world, and a torpedo - a dozen minutes. The time is significantly different, so there may well be some kind of outer casing, which is removed entirely, and already underneath is the main body and all kinds of technological holes.

              And how to remove this cover to the crew of the submarine in the ocean if necessary?
              1. bk0010
                bk0010 29 September 2019 20: 19
                +2
                If necessary - to the base.
    4. LON
      LON 29 September 2019 12: 04
      +6
      Quote: Dr. Hub
      Let the "friends" rack their brains.

      "Thieves will steal, talkers - chatting, professors - to write theories, and which are dumber - just to work "- Satanovsky
    5. YOUR
      YOUR 29 September 2019 12: 23
      +1
      The Americans have an unmanned diesel submarine, the question is why we cannot have an unmanned nuclear submarine unmanned submarine.
      So they thought about this issue.
      1. nikvic46
        nikvic46 29 September 2019 16: 20
        -4
        Vladimir A nuclear submarine is different from a diesel one, like a carpenter from a carpenter.
    6. iouris
      iouris 29 September 2019 12: 50
      0
      Quote: Dr. Hub
      Let the "friends" rack their brains.

      They know everything. And even make demo material - just pay.
    7. zenion
      zenion 29 September 2019 13: 09
      +13
      One of the Russophiles, drinking only Bavarian beer, suddenly woke up and wrote that the Germans reached Moscow with absolutely no tanks. If the Germans had tanks, then they would have reached the Urals, and maybe even Baikal. Of course, it is difficult to capture Moscow with only motorcycles, bicycles and carts with machine guns. If in the madhouses they stop giving medications, then those living there will write that the Germans did not have airplanes, but they bombed the geese.
    8. Romanenko
      Romanenko 30 September 2019 08: 06
      +2
      Somehow, at the dawn of Russian democratization, a rather funny interview was shown on television with the bodyguard of one of the leading ones at that time.
      The guy was clearly from the special forces, dressed in a suit and white shirt, answered some silly questions, and then the correspondent asked - Well, how are you going, in case of something to protect your ward, I’m looking at you with a holster with a gun under his armpit ... But the gun is real ?
      The bodyguard smiled modestly and calmly answered the question with a question - How do you think up?
      Poseidon is like that gun, let them think and say what they want, the main thing is that no one is trying to check whether he can gouge America’s floor or not.
      It seems that it is possible to talk with our friends as bosom partners of cohabitation on the planet only by holding a good club at their nose, otherwise they do not understand.
    9. zenion
      zenion 7 October 2019 14: 57
      0
      The author asks for a whole week, already aching with excitement, I will answer so that the author could sleep peacefully and finally go for a jolt. There are no Poseidons, these are Greek tales. There are no other Greek gods, they are all torn apart, like a monkey by a newspaper, a single triune god, God the father, God the holy spirit, God the son, as well as their wives. It was they who bit the archangels, angels and other heavenly army on the Greek gods. Sleep well, we will avenge you and find you a deputy.
  2. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 29 September 2019 05: 08
    +14
    Regarding snapping for sizing, I do not agree with the Author. In the first photo, I counted three types of professional sheets. They have a standard distance between the ribs. In another photo, even a man and pipes are not needed --- more precise bindings are in abundance. If there are two walls forming a right angle / and they are /, then this is already volume and it is not so difficult to project one object onto another.
    1. Grad-Xnumx
      Grad-Xnumx 29 September 2019 05: 21
      0
      And what sizes did you get? Can you name a caliber? For me it looks like the container is smaller or comparable to the dashboard although it should be larger.
    2. Chaldon48
      Chaldon48 29 September 2019 06: 17
      -1
      I think so it is not necessary for the Americans to try to replace their clever analysts. I won’t guess if they have more photos or not. This weapon is not just a weapon, but a doomsday weapon. Therefore, the curtain of secrecy that exists around it is understandable, it is quite possible partly to cover up with intentional disinfection.
    3. region58
      region58 30 September 2019 11: 04
      0
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      In another photo

      For example, the distance between the steps of vertical stairs is 300 mm +/- ...
    4. Dikson
      Dikson 30 September 2019 16: 31
      0
      In addition to the profiled sheet, the distance of spans, standard lighting lamps, all three photos can be compared by the semicircular support on which the product lies. Black and yellow construction with stiffeners. This item is clearly the same size ..
  3. NEXUS
    NEXUS 29 September 2019 05: 45
    +24
    The author sits and wonders if Poseidon is there or not. He gives some evidence, puts forward counterarguments ... and the citizen is unaware that there is such a thing, secret information. That disclosing such information amounts to treason. But a citizen persistently scribbles an article so that they read this creation, spend time and argue whether there is life on Mars or if it did not stand there.
    1. asv363
      asv363 29 September 2019 05: 58
      +2
      Ahead.
      1. Evil echo
        Evil echo 29 September 2019 08: 34
        0
        In in, straight from the "tongue" good
    2. nickname7
      nickname7 29 September 2019 07: 00
      -4
      it is unknown to the citizen that there is such a concept-secret information.

      This details are secret, device, blueprints, locations, targets, etc. The public can be declared the fact of putting on duty weapons, without going into details, this will not be a violation of secrecy. So, at least several Poseidons are on duty, so there are no Poseidons.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 29 September 2019 07: 20
        +7
        Quote: nickname7
        The public can be declared the fact of putting on duty weapons, without going into details, this will not be a violation of secrecy.

        Excuse me, the public, what will happen to you from this? Is it hot or cold? The author tries to talk about the performance characteristics of this device and gives a photo.
        The main idea of ​​the article is banal and does not even draw on the article — is there Poseidon in nature at all?
        But for the public, it’s enough that there is a Voivode, Sinev, Mace, YaRs, etc. ... or is it not enough for you?
        1. LON
          LON 29 September 2019 12: 18
          -7
          Quote: NEXUS
          Excuse me, the public, what will happen to you from this? Is it hot or cold?

          Specifically, this is nothing. But Putin's tales in 2018, through which he received the presidency, are already cold.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 29 September 2019 12: 23
            +2
            Quote: LON
            But Putin’s tales in the 2018 year, through which he won the presidency, it’s already cold.

            Yes, and what have you personally done good for your country, if you sit here and criticize Putin? Well, brag, maybe you’ll elect a president then.
            1. Fan-fan
              Fan-fan 29 September 2019 13: 11
              -7
              And what good did Putin do for the country when he was "elected" as president?
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 29 September 2019 13: 14
                +6
                Quote: Fan-Fan
                And what good did Putin do for the country when he was "elected" as president?

                At least the fact that bombs don’t fall on your head like that, and your children study quietly, go to kindergarten, and here you are, sitting here asking questions that you yourself know the answers to.
                1. LON
                  LON 1 October 2019 00: 57
                  -1
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  At least the fact that bombs don’t fall on your head like that and your children study quietly, go to kindergarten,

                  Harden like a mantra. You already got it with its exclusivity and non-replaceability. And they didn’t try to release the reins .:
                  1. foxhounds
                    foxhounds 1 October 2019 06: 58
                    0
                    By the way, the father of the family in the picture is absolutely right. I do not like Putin's course, so maybe there are other proposals that the majority will agree with?
                    1. LON
                      LON 1 October 2019 20: 46
                      -1
                      You are writing a comment for the sake of a comment. Reread my post again, where I suggested "letting go of the reins" in order to enable other people to appear on the political scene. And in the 90s they reasoned the same way: "Who will replace Yeltsin?" And they voted for stability with EBN. And then, lo and behold, it was found. Hence, even then there was a worthy candidate, for the time being pushed into the shadows. And now there will be, if you stop pressing everyone and everything.
                  2. Nikolay73
                    Nikolay73 1 October 2019 09: 31
                    0
                    Do you think that by attaching a cartoon you can discount the question itself? You have no answer. You and your mantra got it - ... go away ... You can’t even answer anything clever. As for the reins - do you understand the measure of responsibility or, as usual, just to throw it over?
                    1. LON
                      LON 1 October 2019 20: 49
                      -1
                      Quote: Nikolay73
                      Do you understand the measure of responsibility, or as usual, just to sketch it out?

                      An empty question. In the 90s, the reasoning was the same: "Who will replace Yeltsin?" And they voted for stability with EBN. And then, lo and behold, it was found. Therefore, even then there was a worthy candidate, for the time being pushed into the shadows. And now there will be, if you stop pressing everyone and everything.
                      1. Nikolay73
                        Nikolay73 3 October 2019 16: 15
                        0
                        Of course, you can expect a miracle and rely on chance, but I personally don't want to play roulette for the future of my children. About EBN want? Let's remember the events preceding his ascent ... that before his last term - do you remember who participated and with what numbers came to the finish line? Now many "do not believe" and do not go to vote ... and then they do not believe again ... there are cameras everywhere and observers, commissions, and online counting ... BUT, I'm for him (as well as for others ) did not vote, how could that be? I DO NOT BELIEVE!!! "So righteously, with pathos" ... as always IMHO of course.
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                      3. LON
                        LON 4 October 2019 00: 47
                        0
                        I will answer you why people do not believe and do not go to vote. How many cases of fraud have been identified. You answer me, where is at least one criminal case? Yes, in the United States, for such things, they would roll up for life, so that others would not be accustomed. And why? Yes, because we have such a guarantee. Allowed to shoot on camera, in order to save for posterity. You can watch, but don’t touch it. Even the courts accept video from DVRs, but you can’t do it here. Pretended to be a fool:
            2. LON
              LON 1 October 2019 00: 41
              0
              Quote: NEXUS
              And what have you personally done good for your country, if you sit here and criticize Putin?

              Putin's policy is that only he can do good, and the rest can only say: "Yes, your Majesty." But how else, he is the king.
              1. Nikolay73
                Nikolay73 3 October 2019 16: 26
                0
                Now tell me, what do you actually dislike about kings? Then Nicholas II was recorded as a holy martyr ... If about the irremovability of power? But what do you need more - her sanity or her turnover? And yes - I am ready for both majesty and grace, this essentially does not soar me absolutely and completely, if our people would live well, happily ever after.
                1. LON
                  LON 4 October 2019 00: 50
                  0
                  Quote: Nikolay73
                  I am ready for both majesty and grace, this essentially does not soar me absolutely and completely, our people would live well, happily ever after.

                  The option would definitely be right for you when Russia became the next US state. Not fish, not meat.
                  1. Nikolay73
                    Nikolay73 4 October 2019 10: 24
                    0
                    Ivan, are you from a fairy tale? What are you grinding? What is the next staff? Are you out of your mind? Please rescue me from your insinuations - you either set the United States as an example, you don’t want us to become the next state, it’s you - not fish, not meat. Who thinks clearly - sets out clearly, and you don’t need to put commercials, or essentially you have nothing to say?
                    1. LON
                      LON 4 October 2019 15: 27
                      -1
                      And yes - I am ready for both majesty and grace, this essentially does not soar me absolutely and completely, if our people would live well, happily ever after.
                      Well, we have both majesty and enlightenment in the person of Putin, and that people are happy, live well and live long? Therefore, I proposed, if you do not care, such a solution. And I posted the video for you in order not to enter into an unnecessary discussion with you, although I could make a detailed commentary on it, consisting of a large number of lines.
                      1. Nikolay73
                        Nikolay73 4 October 2019 16: 39
                        0
                        This is only your opinion and only mine against yours ... Is it good, how long? Everything is learned in comparison, or do you believe that "your challenger" for a year has ruled "the country from its knees" for two or three times? No, it doesn't work that way. There are, of course, subjective reasons, and there are also objective ones. As for the lines, it's easier for me to understand what a person wants to say from his direct speech and not from the videos ... although this is certainly my problem ... I defend my views, you are yours.
                      2. LON
                        LON 4 October 2019 21: 58
                        0
                        The best way to understand a person, it largely depends on how a person expresses his thought. And the main principle here was not invented by me - "Brevity, the sister of talent." Therefore, I do not like the "water" in the comments. Figures and facts are the best elements to confirm your position.
              2. Nikolay73
                Nikolay73 4 October 2019 14: 26
                0
                ... about politics, you are lying again ... Putin took full responsibility for the pension reform on himself and what he "corrected" was naturally done by political strategists ... but this is normal, politics is politics.
      2. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 29 September 2019 07: 49
        0
        Quote: nickname7
        So, at least several Poseidons are on duty,

        Do you know exactly?
        Is it because you were not told?
        Are you sure you are told EVERYTHING?
        Are you sure they will tell you when they put it on?
        You see how many questions and no one will give you the exact answer.
      3. Ezekiel 25-17
        Ezekiel 25-17 29 September 2019 08: 33
        0
        З0 tetrodrams, 30 tetrodrams !!!
      4. asv363
        asv363 29 September 2019 08: 55
        +6
        The main submarine Belgorod, the carrier of the Poseidons, has not yet taken up combat duty, has not been surrendered to the Navy. The next year will be tested.
        1. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 29 September 2019 13: 13
          -3
          That's right, the author wrote, while there is not a single fact to confirm the existence of Poseidon, but the facts that he is not there are complete and you correctly pointed out that there is no carrier for Poseidon yet.
          1. meandr51
            meandr51 29 September 2019 13: 52
            -1
            It means that the throw-in of desa was successful. In the recent past, this has helped quietly rearm the army.
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 September 2019 10: 17
      +1
      It is possible in this case to imagine that Poseidon is a container carrier ICBMs - disguised as a torpedo. For the ICBM R 29 Liner, the dimensions are 1.9 meters long 15 meters and weighs 40 tons — it fits into Poseidon’s dimensions more than 2 meters in diameter and more than 24 meters long; the mass is from 80 to 150 tons, although it’s likely to be smaller, because the sturdy case is made with a 100% probability made of titanium alloy.
      1. Town Hall
        Town Hall 29 September 2019 10: 24
        +1
        Quote: Vadim237
        In this case, you can imagine that Poseidon

        Sunday morning normal people fantasize about other topics
      2. DrVintorez
        DrVintorez 29 September 2019 12: 15
        0
        buddy, you hungover =) the liner is not R-29, it is R-29RMU2 (with index) how will rockets start from Poseidon? at a diameter of 2 meters? should he get up?
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 29 September 2019 16: 17
          0
          R-29, this is R-29RMU2 But what difference does it make - there is only one base "Stand up on hind legs" - perhaps the depth of the oceans allows, the torpedo comes to the specified zone, the front compartment with the control equipment is disconnected, the torpedo takes an almost vertical position - the ICBM starts. As a result, a complete START 3.
      3. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 29 September 2019 15: 55
        +1
        Quote: Vadim237
        Poseidon is a container carrier ICBM - disguised as a torpedo.

        Vadim, we caught up late!
        SKIF has already brought your fantasies to life ...
        But the delivery of "pizza" to Doni's table does not need to be canceled ... "Friends" may not understand correctly! Leaving them without "mushroom" fish soup is not right on our part ... Let them live in anticipation "mass", ugh, you - lunch! bully
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 1 October 2019 15: 55
          -1
          In Russia, I only know this SKIF -
          "TsKP SKIF is the Center for Collective Use" Siberian Ring Photon Source "- a" 4+ "generation synchrotron with a beam energy of 3 GeV. It will include an accelerator complex and user equipment for experimental stations and a laboratory complex in a building with an outer diameter of more than 200 meters It will contain rooms with additional devices for sample preparation and related research. The complex will be based in the Koltsovo science city (Novosibirsk). Today it is one of the most advanced developments in its class. This is noted by all the world's leading experts in the industry. creation of sources of synchrotron radiation (SR). Construction of SKIF is scheduled for 2021, and the launch of the first stage - in 2024 ".
      4. timokhin-aa
        timokhin-aa 29 September 2019 20: 24
        -1
        You have just surpassed yourself.
        laughing laughing laughing
        Невероятно!
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 29 September 2019 23: 20
          0
          You continue to write your fabulous articles with a serious expression on your face - about the war between Russia and Japan without Yao and other crap like "Our army needs light assault aircraft - to hunt for Papuans" or "American submarines and torpedoes will drown all our ships and nuclear submarines in that including Poseidons "
          1. timokhin-aa
            timokhin-aa 30 September 2019 01: 00
            -1
            The bottom is broken!

            Fight harder Vadim, your potential is not revealed!

            It is a pity that in VO it is impossible to write the truth to people about them. laughing
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 30 September 2019 19: 25
              0
              No, it’s just you, in each of your articles, who hit the bottom for a long time, when the Japanese sent our cables to the Kuril Islands to cut.
              1. timokhin-aa
                timokhin-aa 30 September 2019 19: 49
                -1
                You still hurt, I'm watching laughing
                1. Polinom
                  Polinom 2 October 2019 16: 04
                  0
                  Good day, Alexander ..
                  Here I went to collect NIKi in a collection so as not to answer them.
                  Article-as a method of screening sane.
    4. Stils
      Stils 29 September 2019 12: 53
      -4
      Quote: NEXUS
      The author sits and wonders if Poseidon is there or not. He gives some evidence, puts forward counterarguments ... and the citizen is unaware that there is such a thing, secret information. That disclosing such information amounts to treason. But a citizen persistently scribbles an article so that they read this creation, spend time and argue whether there is life on Mars or if it did not stand there.

      Secrecy is always very convenient. Light up a poster "by chance", show a cartoon, declare the uniqueness, which have no analogs in the world, show a three-second video for something that is not clear, take a picture of the layout and voila! Wunderwaffle is ready! Well, everything, of course, is very secret! Well emayo, kindergarten by God! Adults like ...
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 29 September 2019 13: 11
        +1
        Quote: Stils
        show a three-second video for some reason, take a picture of the layout and voila! The wunderwaffle is ready!

        Another critic and lover to know everything. This prodigy, like those of Voivode, whom a narrow circle of people knew in the USSR when they put her on duty, is called upon to protect you, the critic, from democratization of the country in which you live, the West, with gay parades, 50 sexes, lawless lawlessness and political criticism.
        Quote: Stils
        Well, everything, of course, is very secret! Well, yes, kindergarten, by golly!

        Kindergarten, boy? When Belenko hijacked our MIL, thanks to the DECLASSIFICATION of our "friend or foe" system by our adversary, it cost our country several billion rubles. If this is a kindergarten for you, then what is there to talk about with you?
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          2. ZAV69
            ZAV69 29 September 2019 16: 14
            0
            Quote: Stils
            And the kindergarten is to think that the adversary will begin to believe in this and seek protection!

            The adversary will check this first. Because in the job description he has written about it in black and white. How long will it take and what costs will result in another question.
      2. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 29 September 2019 13: 15
        -10
        Secrecy always covered their gouging.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 29 September 2019 13: 30
          +3
          Quote: Fan-Fan
          Secrecy always covered their gouging.

          Then why in each branch about F-35, for example, we recall that mattresses from Yak bought technology, and by the way, before the collapse, secret. Also gouging in the Yak Design Bureau sat and did not chat about nothing to do? You write nonsense and not even ashamed to write such a crap.
          1. bk0010
            bk0010 29 September 2019 18: 12
            0
            Technology of what, sorry? I'm trying to find out everything. Offhand - only a rotary nozzle is suitable, but it was before the Yak-41
        2. Okolotochny
          Okolotochny 30 September 2019 13: 26
          -1
          So in the USSR (so beloved by you) classified information was MORE !!! Do you have logic? By your logic-in the USSR there was a total foolishness? Where do they get these?
        3. 16329
          16329 1 October 2019 21: 22
          0
          And vice versa, you can
    5. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 29 September 2019 19: 02
      -3
      Quote: NEXUS
      The author sits and wonders if Poseidon is there or not. He gives some evidence, puts forward counterarguments ... and the citizen is unaware that there is such a thing, secret information. That disclosing such information amounts to treason. But a citizen persistently scribbles an article so that they read this creation, spend time and argue whether there is life on Mars or if it did not stand there.


      If a person is not a professional secret-bearer, then nito has no right to condemn him. for the principles of the transfer of secrets (received a secret - conveyed a secret) for analysts - a premonition of innocence ...
      Ott of that. that I learn the principle of the secret engine - no one will condemn me if I did not have access to technical and secret documentation.

      Andrew. well, then you’re head over heels, stop falling into this Primordial nonsense ...
      Or have your bunch of bots already bought your account too?
    6. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 29 September 2019 20: 02
      +4
      Quote: NEXUS
      The author is sitting and wondering

      Not just guessing, but "for interest." yes And he doesn’t just sit, but transforms printed signs into monetary signs - how much he tapped. fellow So, Andrey, we will not interfere, because people are at work, therefore, as N.N.Drozdov used to say, let's just watch them. laughing
  4. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 29 September 2019 06: 32
    +7
    "Does Poseidon exist?" - This question can be viewed from different "angles"! For example, 1. Is there a notorious nuclear power plant for Poseidon, capable of giving the device tremendous speed and driving the anti-NATO horror story to an agramad distance, while ensuring "undetectability" ...? 2. Is there an electronic equipment capable of bringing Poseidon with the required (high) accuracy through an agramad distance to a given area ...? I'm not even going to bother with the question: "Does this nuclear power plant exist in at least some workable state ?! For I consider it no less difficult than the creation of a workable nuclear power plant, the creation of the declared performance characteristics" of Poseidon! If each of the points requires a "revolutionary breakthrough" and is very difficult to implement, then what remains to be said about a "breakthrough" immediately in 2-3 "technological"
    areas?
    1. bar
      bar 29 September 2019 09: 23
      +2
      What is impossible in what you have listed? It is not a problem to create a small-sized nuclear reactor, especially given the lack of biological protection due to the lack of a crew. He does not need gigantic power due to the small size of the apparatus. "Agromous distance" for a nuclear submarine is not a distance at all, given, again, the lack of a crew. Electronic equipment has also existed for a long time, once before the invention of gps / glonass cruise missiles flew on a relief map. The same is much easier for a submarine, because the speed is an order of magnitude less, and such accuracy is not needed. So no "new physical principles", everything is quite real. And even if "Poseidon" does not exist yet, it should have been made a long time ago.
      1. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat 29 September 2019 10: 31
        -3
        Well, for example, if you look at the photos (see the link below) of the spaceship presented by Elon Musk, presented yesterday, then I personally see something from science fiction novels .... 20-30s of the 20th century. Or something similar, for example, to the Entsian anti-aircraft missile of the Third Reich. Look at how the rudders of the head part are attached to the rocket .... my windows in the apartment have a more "clever" attachment .... And it is quite seriously stated that "this" will soon fly to the Moon, and then to Mars .. ... recourse
        https://www.ixbt.com/news/2019/09/29/ilon-mask-oficialno-predstavil-kosmicheskij-korabl-starship-mk1-cherez-polgoda-ego-vyvedut-na-orbitu-a-dalshe--mars.html
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 29 September 2019 10: 36
          -1
          Quote: Monster_Fat
          And it is quite seriously asserted that "this" will soon fly to the Moon, and then to Mars ...

          Start-up lol
        2. bar
          bar 29 September 2019 10: 58
          +3
          As for Poseidon, I didn't bother with photographs at all. It is naive to think that they will post pictures of a real sample. I just noted the _reality_ of its manufacture at the current level of Russian technology. And for this I fully believe in its existence. If the "probable enemy" takes full advantage of the advantages of its geographical location, then it would be foolish for us not to take advantage of the disadvantages of the same location.
          1. Fan-fan
            Fan-fan 29 September 2019 13: 22
            -10
            Vysotsky also said:
            "Who believes in Mohammed, who in Allah, who in Jesus,
            Who does not believe in anything - even in the devil, to spite everyone! "
            So you can believe everything that the authorities say, and we are already experienced, have deceived us many times, so we do not want to believe them.
            1. bar
              bar 29 September 2019 13: 37
              0
              As for your faith, I already understood everything. You can not continue, I remember
            2. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin 29 September 2019 13: 52
              0
              Quote: Fan-Fan
              So you can believe everything that the authorities say, and we are already experienced, have deceived us many times, so we do not want to believe them.

              Who is this us?
              Maybe enough on behalf of everyone to speak?
              Are you the leader of a party? Has the party authorized you to speak on behalf of all its members?
              Who gave you this right?
            3. meandr51
              meandr51 29 September 2019 13: 55
              +4
              And in what did the authorities deceive you with regard to defense capability? In my opinion, you should easily go to the discussion of pensions.
              1. Boa kaa
                Boa kaa 29 September 2019 16: 12
                -1
                Quote: meandr51
                It’s worth it at ease to discuss pensions.

                So it's all ahead!
                In a day, October 1 will come, and military pensioners will clearly see - "HU is HU" !? The last talks between VVP and Plushy were about 6,3% with a plus ... So let's see if this is so or again - "Pan ataman has no gold reserves!"
                1. bar
                  bar 29 September 2019 17: 55
                  0
                  They promised civilian pensioners only from January 1, but as much as 6,6%
                2. Okolotochny
                  Okolotochny 30 September 2019 13: 27
                  0
                  Today, 30.09/1. received 100 more, about 6,3%. I can lay out the screen from Sbermobile, the last pension and the present.
                  1. Boa kaa
                    Boa kaa 30 September 2019 18: 40
                    +1
                    Quote: Okolotochny
                    Today, 30.09. got 1 100 more, about 6,3%.

                    Alex, I welcome you! hi
                    Yes, I also received a pension increase. So GDP keeps its word. And why, gentlemen liberals, I should not believe him after that !? smile
                    1. Olezhek
                      Olezhek 1 October 2019 05: 21
                      -1
                      Yes, I also received a pension increase. So GDP keeps its word. And why, gentlemen liberals, I should not believe him after that !?


                      An increase in retirement age, have not heard?
                      They saved much more than "6,3 percent"
                      They just didn’t pay people pensions, and it’s prune
      2. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 29 September 2019 11: 14
        +3
        Quote: bar
        Small-sized nuclear reactor to create is not a problem,

        And I just noticed in my comment that I’m not going to dispute the fundamental possibility of creating a small-sized nuclear power plant ...
        Quote: bar
        "Agromous distance" for a nuclear submarine is not a distance at all, given, again, the lack of a crew.

        Yes ... if we take this into account as a separate ("independent") characteristic without taking into account the speed "together" with stealth ...
        Quote: bar
        He does not need giant power because of the small size of the device.

        Oh is it? Well, albeit not a "gigantic", but a very decent power will be required ... to move a device under water, albeit a "small" one, but larger in size and rather than a 650-mm torpedo, and, moreover, with a large (!) speed in a dense environment ... and the power should be "released" for quite a long time. What amount of thermal energy should be generated by the reactor per unit of time so that a certain (!) Amount of "working fluid" heats up in this unit of time to a certain (!) Temperature, so that an apparatus with approximately known dimensions moves under water at a planned considerable speed ? What approximate scheme can be used in the "construction" of a nuclear power plant and what should be the dimensions? And one more thing ... it's not a trace of hoping for a lack of a crew, because electronics also don't like strong radiation ... How to mask the heat trail at the planned speed? What "working body" will be used? How to organize a closed cycle for a given working substance? Etc., etc. ...
        Quote: bar
        electronic equipment also existed a long time ago, but once before the invention of gps / glonass cruise missiles flew on a terrain map. The same for the submarine is much easier, because speed is an order of magnitude lower, and such accuracy is not needed.

        And here, it’s just, rather, the situation when the "fork and bottle" is confused ... Do you propose to make a "bottom relief map"? And how? How long, by what means? And about the "unnecessary" accuracy, the statements are very doubtful ... And about the speed ... here, in general, insufficient knowledge of the full operating principle of the TERCOM system "shines through" ... Why is the entire route not included in the "tomahawks"? How are the errors in the ANN set at different speeds? How the number of corrections depends on the speed. All this must be understood when analyzing the principle and structure of the TERCOM system. Magnetometric and gravitational metric systems can be used to create navigation-correlation systems for "submariners", but the question remains open: what will be their accuracy and noise immunity?
        1. bar
          bar 29 September 2019 11: 39
          0
          Everything you have listed has a place to be. I did not say that creating a Poseidon is easy. I said that this is quite possible, even with the current level of Russian technology.
          As for the NPP scheme, as an amateur, I would suggest, for example, a fast neutron reactor with a liquid metal coolant. A significant drawback of such reactors is the need for solid biosecurity. But for Poseidons it is not necessary. Such reactors were still on the Soviet boats of the "lira" project in the late 60s, and since then our Rosatom has made significant advances in technology.
          As for the complexity of orientation on the "bump map" and the complexity of creating such maps, then again, the complexity is not impossibility. I think such work has been underway for a long time, the "loshariki" swim and do something there. Alternatively, the installation of deep-water beacons along the proposed routes of movement of Poseidon to improve accuracy. How do you like this idea?
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 29 September 2019 15: 32
            -1
            Quote: bar
            "loshariki" swim and do something there.

            How many "loshariks" have you counted? 1? five? ten? 5? 10? How many "loshariks" are needed to draw up a "global" bottom map and how long will it take? How many "loshariks" are there in the Russian Navy? Do you suggest using "active" depth gauges, since you are comparing with TERCOM? "Tomahawks" can use radio frequency or laser altimeters ... When they were introduced, the technique of detecting such systems was not yet developed enough to "dramatically" reduce the effectiveness of this type of radar. But already at the present time it is possible to create systems that quite effectively detect working altimeters, even though the electromagnetic radiation is "straight"! In water, everything is more complicated ... underwater space is a "multi-layer cake", where layers can have different densities, temperatures, and other properties ... What can be used? "Blue-green" laser "depth gauges" and ultrasonic ... But just in "layers" with differing physical properties, "scattering" and re-reflection are likely; that is, these "spurious" signatures will be detected by the corresponding sensors of the detection systems. Deep Sea Lighthouses? Well ... the idea is normal, given the fact that such systems are being developed or already developed, but the question is about the implementation of these systems. And then - "mass NO"! An underwater navigation system has also been developed in Russia, but how to make it "global"? Yes, Russia, in principle, can in the future deploy such systems without "special complications"; but ... either in the "internal" seas, or in "reservoirs" where the Russian Navy, fishing, cargo and passenger fleets can afford, one way or another, "host" ... that is. "operational-tactical" system! But to deploy a "global" system in the seas-oceans, which are in the "zone of responsibility" of the United States, NATO? Satellites of space positioning systems are detected by radio emission, and acoustic (laser) underwater beacons by ..... right! And now let's "remember" GLONASS! How long did it take to do this? Until now, many of the problems accompanying the deployment of GLONASS have not "disappeared"! And what is the global effort for? Only for the Poseidons, the combat effectiveness of which is questionable? No ... their effectiveness in the operational-tactical theater of operations may be quite sufficient ... but in the "intercontinental-strategic"? belay By the way, the underwater navigation systems being developed are mainly for local and "civilian" purposes, although there have been reports of the development of an underwater switching and navigation system in the interests of the Russian Navy. A type of "underwater GPS" is being developed by the United States in the form of the "POSYDON" system ... here it is conceived as a "global" one (or with "attempts" to do so ...), but "long-range sonars" located in "zones of deep control" of the United States ... Ash-tree stump, that in the interests of the NATO Navy "POSYDON" will be "guaranteed" effective in "peacetime", but after the start of the 3rd World War, it will be "not a fact"! For it is possible to organize noise interference or false signals against emitting devices ... or destroy. Basically, I "see" technical solutions that can be used when deploying a Russian "underwater GPS", but ... 1. home calculations often do not coincide with the market price; 2. it is expensive; 3. Requires "decent" time and considerable technical means ... Russia may not find all this, given the difficult economic situation in the country.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 29 September 2019 16: 19
              0
              And what does Russia have a hydrographic ship - one Losharik?
              1. SovAr238A
                SovAr238A 29 September 2019 19: 15
                -3
                Quote: Vadim237
                And what does Russia have a hydrographic ship - one Losharik?


                And how do you imagine the universal map?
                Well, I understand that since the 50s, hydrographic vessels have been sailing and the probes have probed part of the ocean, where in the future they created maps for submarine flooding.
                And now what?
                The concept of Poseidon is the same. like the Petrel - go there. where no one is waiting.
                So what? try to probe the whole ocean again?
                In the same Atlantic, there are really many places where no ship has gone in the entire history of mankind ...
                But most of the Pacific Ocean is just that - no one there ever saw a man and his ships in history. Not in ancient nor in the relatively last 5 thousand years.
            2. Firelake
              Firelake 30 September 2019 09: 37
              -3
              My opinion coincides with yours. The probability of having Poseidon is just above zero. But much less than 50% of the impression that the site only couch warriors
        2. Harry.km
          Harry.km 29 September 2019 13: 21
          -7
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          And here it’s just that situation,

          Silently, standing ovation !!! Further delirium of the sectarians of Poseidon's witnesses can be considered only after answering your key questions. It is only necessary for witnesses to explain in the framework of the school physics course that the radio wave does not penetrate to a depth of more than a meter (exaggerate). Nor are there any GPS and especially GLONASS at depth.
        3. bk0010
          bk0010 29 September 2019 18: 17
          0
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          And how?
          So, haven't hydrographic vessels been doing this for decades?
          1. SovAr238A
            SovAr238A 29 September 2019 19: 16
            -3
            Quote: bk0010
            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            And how?
            So, haven't hydrographic vessels been doing this for decades?


            Where and in what places ...
      3. bk0010
        bk0010 29 September 2019 18: 15
        0
        The problem is actually huge. If that were the case, then instead of a diesel engine, it would be put on trains and ships. There is some kind of low-resource (for 10 days of work), maybe this is it? Maybe you are confusing with RITEG? So it’s close to the wrong power.
  5. Graz
    Graz 29 September 2019 06: 44
    -3
    Americans find out with 100% certainty a few minutes before their death
    1. KERMET
      KERMET 29 September 2019 06: 53
      -3
      Poseidon will destroy all Americans? belay
      1. bar
        bar 29 September 2019 10: 59
        -7
        Poseidon is able to at least nullify the power of striped AUG, destroying their base.
        1. DrVintorez
          DrVintorez 29 September 2019 12: 17
          0
          Quote: bar
          Poseidon is able to at least nullify the power of striped AUG, destroying their base.

          remind autonomy aug?
          1. bar
            bar 29 September 2019 12: 23
            +2
            Whatever autonomy may be, it will become one-time. They will even have nowhere to return. Do not remind the number of crews AUG? Will become a flying Dutch.
            You are simply forgetting that Poseidon is being developed as a "weapon of retaliation" and not as an offensive weapon. To be afraid.
            1. DrVintorez
              DrVintorez 29 September 2019 13: 21
              -1
              OK. I rummage around and find the number of Augs on HP. Duck what's with autonomy? What is aug limited to?
            2. Fan-fan
              Fan-fan 29 September 2019 13: 26
              -6
              Naive people believe in all anti-scientific billeber. Hitler also at the end of the war instilled faith in his people in weapons of retaliation, and what did this faith help the Germans?
              1. bar
                bar 29 September 2019 13: 34
                0
                In this context, the belief of the "probable adversary" that if something happened, his country would be covered with a copper basin. Hope he believes it
            3. kuz363
              kuz363 29 September 2019 13: 35
              +1
              What difference does it make to you, how many people will discard skates, but after you?
              1. bar
                bar 29 September 2019 13: 58
                +3
                I have a difference. I hope that people who are potentially able to throw their skates after me will think about this. And then my skates might be saved. The best war is that which does not begin.

                It's amazing how many pacifists showed up on this site :)
                1. wehr
                  29 September 2019 16: 02
                  -2
                  Yes indeed. It surprises me too.
                  If you don’t like war, don’t go to VO.
                  1. DrVintorez
                    DrVintorez 29 September 2019 16: 05
                    +5
                    do you like war Sorry, but only a mentally ill person can love war.
                    1. wehr
                      29 September 2019 16: 21
                      -1
                      Well yes. I have almost all articles and books written about the war. laughing
                      1. Andrey VOV
                        Andrey VOV 29 September 2019 16: 31
                        +4
                        It’s one thing to write articles and books about won’s, and it’s another thing to slurp her full nostrils and ass .. and then calmly answer the question whether you like war ..
                      2. wehr
                        29 September 2019 19: 19
                        -1
                        The war is primarily in the minds and between the minds. The rest is just an appendix to this.
                      3. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 30 September 2019 03: 24
                        -1
                        Quote: wehr
                        The war is primarily in the minds and between the minds. The rest is just an appendix to this.

                        I do not want war, I stopped loving the war, -
                        I'm in my thoughts, I keep you alone in my soul.
                        My heart needs you to tremble
                        Like light to my eyes, like breathing air

                        This was written by Denis Davydov.
                      4. Andrey VOV
                        Andrey VOV 30 September 2019 08: 46
                        0
                        And you yourself, dear author, were at war, not of minds, but of physical bodies, blood, guts, horror, cold, dirt, stench, death, gray-haired young boys?
            4. SovAr238A
              SovAr238A 29 September 2019 19: 17
              -3
              Quote: bar
              Whatever autonomy may be, it will become one-time. They will even have nowhere to return. Do not remind the number of crews AUG? Will become a flying Dutch.
              You are simply forgetting that Poseidon is being developed as a "weapon of retaliation" and not as an offensive weapon. To be afraid.


              Remember. the number of reserve lanes for Shuttles around the world - and think about why I asked just such a question ...
              1. Firelake
                Firelake 30 September 2019 09: 39
                0
                Do not ask questions about which most do not even think.
          2. meandr51
            meandr51 29 September 2019 13: 57
            +2
            On floating air sheds, too, along Poseidon ...
      2. bk0010
        bk0010 29 September 2019 18: 21
        0
        Poseidon must show that missile defense alone will not be enough for unpunished infinity. Another thing is that if Timokhin is right, then Poseidon can be discovered and destroyed by existing naval means, then "we don't need such a Poseidon."
      3. timokhin-aa
        timokhin-aa 29 September 2019 19: 57
        0
        There is a retractable caterpillar, it can travel around America and explode, bypassing the missile defense.
        Not a rocket.
  6. Ezekiel 25-17
    Ezekiel 25-17 29 September 2019 06: 54
    0
    There is a carrier. And most importantly, Poseidon technology of the 20th century, embodied, embodied in 21. And finally: the article is paid for by the enemies of Russia.
    1. DrVintorez
      DrVintorez 29 September 2019 12: 18
      0
      enemies everywhere, where to run.
      Tell us why Poseidon is a technology of the 20th century.
      1. Ezekiel 25-17
        Ezekiel 25-17 29 September 2019 15: 06
        -1
        But because this is Sakharov’s idea.
        1. DrVintorez
          DrVintorez 29 September 2019 16: 03
          0
          and the helicopter idea of ​​Leonardo da Vinci =)
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 29 September 2019 16: 31
        +2
        Quote: DrVintorez
        Why Poseidon is 20 century technology.

        Mechanics, sir!
        And the technology of the 21 century is AI, nano, hyper sound, lasers, climate weapons ...
        And, like Kedmi, it’s a gravitational weapon. Which, according to his reasoning, was created in Russia ...
        And here, the information technologies that have the 6 technological structure - these are numbers and supercomps - we are still ahead ... on the horizon!
        AHA.
      3. timokhin-aa
        timokhin-aa 29 September 2019 20: 20
        -2
        The rationale for designing this nonsense was written back in the 1984 year, they began to do it in 1987. So what century is this technology? Although it must be admitted, the reactor there should be a breakthrough in efficiency.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 29 September 2019 23: 27
          +2
          Admit it honestly - you have nothing to do with Poseidon like "I saw something when I did not understand what"
          1. timokhin-aa
            timokhin-aa 30 September 2019 01: 03
            -1
            Unlike you, I can not only read, but also understand what I read. As a result, I have the opportunity to collect open information about this project.

            And you have it, the possibilities of this, no, the resources of the nervous system are limited laughing so to speak. Which sharply cuts off its functionality.
            laughing
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 30 September 2019 19: 47
              -1
              "Unlike you, I can not only read, but also understand what I have read." You know how - this is the discovery "I have the opportunity to collect" public information "about this project." And this your open information about the latest strategic nuclear weapons has at least 20 percent truthfulness? You are a vivid example of the consumption of "useful information", you will not be able to verify its truth, since the primary sources always lie, and secrecy remains secrecy.
              1. timokhin-aa
                timokhin-aa 30 September 2019 20: 02
                -1
                And this is your open information about the latest strategic nuclear weapons,


                Newest? The program has been going on since 1984 year. Which is the newest?

                You are a vivid example of the consumption of "useful information" to check its truth, because the primary sources always lie, and secrecy remains secrecy.


                Look at the photo of the Poseidon throwable mockup. Which is painted in an orange cage.
                Behind him is a gray corrugated wall.
                What is Vadim? The answer is simple and even banal, but it can cause laughter in a stupid person.

                For information - I have drawings of this thing, a list of R&D performed on it, some characteristics voiced by the performer, and also a diagram of how it is located in the complex as a whole, including the technical specification for the product that is to the left of the "gray wall" and did not get into the frame of the Ministry of Defense.
                The one that unambiguously defines the type of Poseidon's reactor, because it is designed to ensure its transportation.

                This is not a story for you to tell about how a torpedo turns into a rocket (why is it interesting?).

                So what's behind the gray wall?
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 1 October 2019 16: 07
                  0
                  Look at the photo with the Poseidon throwing mock-up. Saw - an ordinary blank for checking the control systems of the vehicle and testing the launch container - Try to refute it. "For information - I have drawings of this thing" - What year are the drawings - and where did you get the idea that this was the very thing that was shown? Now no one will deal with the old trash of 36 years ago - all developments are new, as new CAD programs, new production technologies, new control systems, new materials and much more. A similar project does not mean the same.
                  1. timokhin-aa
                    timokhin-aa 1 October 2019 20: 22
                    -1
                    Vadim, have you already fallen into a state of inability to read related text?

                    I’m not talking about the throwing layout, but about the gray wall behind it.

                    And all the data on it belonged to the 2014-2018 years. As with another device that did not fall into the frame.

                    Oh well.

                    By the way, on TPK the question is open. You, perhaps, together with Verkhoturov looked at the TPK in the photo, but there is the product itself, painted in a piece with a transport mount in the form of a ring in the bow. This is not a container.

                    A mock-up was tested without a container, and with the exception of how it is going to be launched from Belgorod, it most likely does not need a container. Regarding Belgorod - an open question, there is nowhere to put torpedo tubes for this thing. Maybe there will be a variant of launching from a TPK, or maybe they will do something else while he is not ready to carry the Poseidons, so to speak.
                    1. Vadim237
                      Vadim237 5 October 2019 12: 26
                      -1
                      Considering the length of Belgorod is 187 meters and a width of 18 meters and a height of 13 meters — instead of a part of the Granites, 8 Poseidons along with launch containers will fit in, but on this submarine, alongside Poseidons, ordinary torpedoes, anti-torpedo protection, there will probably be anti-ship missiles Onyx M.
                      1. timokhin-aa
                        timokhin-aa 5 October 2019 14: 59
                        -1
                        RCC there will be only those that can be shot through torpedo tubes.
  7. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 29 September 2019 06: 54
    +9
    I suppose, after agreement with the "first department" of photographs and materials on "Poseidon", only completely neutral ones remained. Or even photos of mass-dimensional models. wassat
    Oh, I remember, in due time ... The secret part, secret notebooks, photos of the product - treason to the motherland ...
  8. evgen1221
    evgen1221 29 September 2019 07: 07
    +7
    So I have a question — what for a citizen author with detailed information on such a secret technique — doesn’t he have enough for his gravitapa, or is it so interesting personally that he can’t sleep? There is the concept of security and security of the country and it (if he lives in Russia, personally touching it) and there is nothing to go where you don’t want to see, otherwise it is an open collection of indirect information on the project in favor of the country's enemies with all the ensuing snot during detention.
    1. Svlad
      Svlad 29 September 2019 07: 31
      -10
      Vovkina cartoons will not even laugh
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 29 September 2019 23: 28
        +2
        When do you finish plumping?
    2. Corn
      Corn 29 September 2019 09: 03
      +4
      So I have a question, what for a citizen author with detailed information on such a secret technique
      Yes, because, logically, a citizen and a taxpayer have every right to at least somehow control the efficiency of spending budget funds. And hiding behind secrecy, it’s good only to rivet the obviously useless gloomy wunderwaffe on new physical principles. At the same time, where they really have achieved success, they are not shy about demonstrating achievements “in a timely manner, in profile and in full view”.
      1. DrVintorez
        DrVintorez 29 September 2019 12: 21
        0
        Quote: Corn
        At the same time, where they really have achieved success, they are not shy about demonstrating achievements “in a timely manner, in profile and in full view”.

        those. need to bang? How do you demonstrate achievements? nuclear tests are prohibited. suggest an option!
      2. Umalta
        Umalta 29 September 2019 13: 24
        0
        Before the Second World War, the entire population thought that we would fight cavalry with light tanks, carts, and the reality was completely different. And for the sake of reporting to taxpayers, not one state will reveal a single military-technical secret, it will only indicate something common. Is there really no servicemen on the site? After all, they know a paranoid tendency to secrecy of tall star-carriers. And by the way, this is correct.
        1. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 29 September 2019 19: 31
          -2
          Quote: Umalta
          Before the Second World War, the entire population thought that we would fight cavalry with light tanks, carts, and the reality was completely different. And for the sake of reporting to taxpayers, not one state will reveal a single military-technical secret, it will only indicate something common. Is there really no servicemen on the site? After all, they know a paranoid tendency to secrecy of tall star-carriers. And by the way, this is correct.


          Nonsense is all that you wrote ...
          No country in the world will keep completely secret about the real characteristics of weapons.
          Defensive or offensive.

          For if you underestimate the characteristics - you will be considered a weakling and they will organize a war. May you conquer. but at the cost of huge losses, huge costs - which is a thousand times more than the cost of peaceful weapons.
          If you overestimate the characteristics, then scientists will check the level of development of science (and now it is very easy, at least by the level of purchased equipment in related enterprises and by the purchase and use of certain materials, and by the level of distribution of university graduates and their subsequent activity on social networks and many others factors) - and if they see an overstatement, then they will also organize a war for you. in which you already lose. With much greater losses, prohibitive costs, and loss of sovereignty in principle.

          Therefore, now during the development of weapons and their subsequent demonstration (and it is mandatory) - they show such potential that the potential enemy would think about whether to start a war.
          Is it too expensive and does it lead to the loss of my sovereignty.

          Secrecy beyond the limits - dangerous for the state.
          What was normal even before the 80s does not work now .. Other times and other rules.
    3. bk0010
      bk0010 29 September 2019 18: 22
      0
      Then there is nothing to show cartoons to raise the rating of the government. Secret means secret.
    4. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 30 September 2019 03: 30
      -1
      Quote: evgen1221
      So I have a question — what for a citizen author with detailed information on such a secret technique — doesn’t he have enough for his gravitapa, or is it so interesting personally that he can’t sleep?

      Yes, it’s just an SOI program. Reagan was still a joker.
  9. KCA
    KCA 29 September 2019 07: 26
    +2
    Why, then, the "Belgorod" was launched into the water, and they write that it can become part of the fleet already in the 20th year? At least for testing, and if "Poseidon" is not there, what should he test?
    1. DrVintorez
      DrVintorez 29 September 2019 12: 22
      -1
      you all lie !!! there is no pasadeid !!!! Putin has betrayed everyone !!!! Borozzo need for ecology !!!!
      PS armor will save everyone.
  10. mark1
    mark1 29 September 2019 07: 35
    +5
    The author probably expects that now (well, finally!) An annoyed bearer of secret knowledge will jump out and start spreading secret after secret. to put to shame the "dropout" ... This is called a provocation, but judging by the persistence of someone demanded.
    1. DrVintorez
      DrVintorez 29 September 2019 12: 23
      0
      carriers of secret knowledge (history, physics, mathematics, algebra, etc.) bypass these authors. argue with them - only comb your nerves.
  11. DrVintorez
    DrVintorez 29 September 2019 08: 24
    0
    Kaptsovschina in its purest form.
    1. DrVintorez
      DrVintorez 29 September 2019 13: 04
      0
      A. Bots and cartoons came running.
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 29 September 2019 16: 41
      +3
      Quote: DrVintorez
      Kaptsovschina in its purest form.

      AvFTOR Oleg Kaptsov is not suitable for soles!
      You read Kaptsov with pleasure: the material is selected, selected, there is a thought, a syllable, a style - a writer!
      And Mr. Verkhoturov is an ink writer! fi!
      What comparison can be !?
      1. DrVintorez
        DrVintorez 29 September 2019 16: 45
        0
        "I don't understand the sorts of g **!" =))))
  12. bar
    bar 29 September 2019 08: 28
    +8
    Does Poseidon exist?

    I would answer like this - there is an unmanned fighter "hunter" (and this is a medical fact), many believe in a nuclear "petrel". So why can't Poseidon exist? Purely technically, there is nothing complicated in it, just an uninhabited nuclear submarine, no "new physical principles", everything has been worked out long ago. And most importantly, everything is logical - removing the crew from the submarine allows you to really reduce its size and significantly expands its capabilities in terms of autonomy and diving depth. So even if it doesn't exist yet, it must be done.
    1. Harry.km
      Harry.km 29 September 2019 13: 29
      -5
      Quote: bar
      I would answer like this - there is an unmanned fighter "hunter" (and this is a medical fact), many believe in a nuclear "petrel". So why can't Poseidon exist? Purely technically, there is nothing complicated in it, just an uninhabited nuclear submarine, no "new physical principles", everything has been worked out long ago. And most importantly, everything is logical - removing the crew from the submarine allows you to really reduce its size and significantly expands its capabilities in terms of autonomy and diving depth. So even if it does not exist yet, it must be done.

      Yes, give me a sedative ... The fifth post on a branch, but all the same. There is nothing complicated. We have this thing, and the Americans ... well, those are clear stump, dumb. (and this is a medical fact) (c)
      1. bar
        bar 29 September 2019 13: 39
        +2
        What did you want to say, Harry?
    2. kuz363
      kuz363 29 September 2019 13: 38
      0
      Let Poseidon try to go through the northern straits to the USA, where they are packed with sonars, radars and other electronics! They won’t even let them sneeze.
      1. bar
        bar 29 September 2019 14: 53
        0
        Harry and Katz suggest giving up?
        1. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 29 September 2019 19: 33
          -3
          Quote: bar
          Harry and Katz suggest giving up?

          And do you propose a real-life version of a breakthrough through these narrownesses controlled by enemies?
          Provided that the Poseidon carrier boats will be accompanied by 2-3-4 nuclear submarines of the enemy at the same time ...
          and all anti-submarine aircraft of the enemy will also stand on their ears all the time - throwing our boats with active buoys ..
          For no one will give them a chance to go into free swimming ...
          1. bk0010
            bk0010 29 September 2019 20: 26
            0
            It’s not a question at all: a megaton under water, half a megaton on land and quickly and quickly through boiling water, taking advantage of the fact that after a nuclear explosion all hydrology goes down the drain - no one hears, but he hears - he misunderstands. The problem is that this technique rolls after it started.
    3. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 29 September 2019 13: 52
      -1
      And whoever is against, of course, must be done, and not only Poseidon, BZHRK "Barguzin" must also be done, that's just wunderwafli, the effectiveness of which is questionable is not necessary.
      1. SovAr238A
        SovAr238A 29 September 2019 19: 35
        0
        Quote: Fan-Fan
        And whoever is against, of course, must be done, and not only Poseidon, BZHRK "Barguzin" must also be done, that's just wunderwafli, the effectiveness of which is questionable is not necessary.


        DBC Barguzin is no less than a child prodigy, to be honest ...
    4. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 September 2019 23: 32
      +2
      "They believe in the nuclear" Petrel ". And why not believe in it when it exists in hardware, like its open-type nuclear-powered rocket-propelled engine - Rosatom rules.
  13. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 29 September 2019 08: 33
    +8
    That’s because what the Internet does to people .. if there is no killer evidence and details on the Internet, does this mean that it’s simply iron and does not exist at all? I’ve caught a pike three days ago, but there’s zero evidence on the Internet (I confess, I didn’t post it, I forgot when I was drunk) So it doesn’t exist? I’ll go and check in the freezer, otherwise my wife was going to make cutlets from her today ... The author’s doubts can be understood and even accepted, but the conclusions are not a fountain.
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 29 September 2019 13: 56
      -4
      The author of the facts cited and explanations, and you propose to simply believe, as in God. After all, no one doubts that we need such a system, but we don’t know anything, and therefore we doubt whether the authorities have been fooling us before, and therefore to trust them - do not respect ourselves.
      1. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD 29 September 2019 14: 11
        +3
        Well .. in your logic I’ll ask .. What would you say in the photo of the alleged Poseidon with all the hatches, connectors and other signs of reality? And what would western experts say at its publicationдs? And to have given for her western experts or real Analysts for clear start videos and more?
      2. bar
        bar 29 September 2019 16: 11
        0
        The author gave his thoughts on the basis of certain photographs of unknown things and made of unknown where.
        1. wehr
          29 September 2019 16: 22
          0
          This would not be worth discussing if these photos were not passed off as the testimony of "Poseidon".
          1. bar
            bar 29 September 2019 18: 06
            0
            I agree. Without pictures, there would be nothing to discuss. And so a good discussion turned out.
      3. Vadim237
        Vadim237 29 September 2019 23: 34
        0
        "The author brought facts and explanations" - he brought Blizzard for such loshar and jaundice lovers like you.
  14. Corn
    Corn 29 September 2019 09: 13
    -4
    If, prior to the leader’s presentation, “status-6” may have been one of the many paper mock-up saw projects, now there are no pines that they will bring it to embodiment in iron.
    Let them make at least one atomic torpedo and with characteristics unknown to the creators themselves, this is a matter of state prestige.
    1. Disorder
      Disorder 29 September 2019 13: 45
      0
      Quote: Corn
      Let them make at least one atomic torpedo and with characteristics unknown to the creators themselves, this is a matter of state prestige.

      Didn’t you hear anything about the T-5 torpedo?
  15. Livonetc
    Livonetc 29 September 2019 09: 23
    +1
    Is there a Poseidon, is there a Poseidon.
    The general public, without proper access, is not yet known for certain, it is not yet in the know.
    But the author contradicts himself.
    Vibrantly and emotionally discussing the dubiousness of the project, citing vague arguments against it, he further suggests that others restrain their ardor in the discussion.
    No dear author.
    We have freedom of speech equal rights and opportunities.
    And they registered on this site just to get the opportunity to discuss topics of interest to us with the level of emotionality that is characteristic of each person.

    Thank you for the article!
    hi
  16. DrVintorez
    DrVintorez 29 September 2019 09: 41
    0
    Sakharov torpedo was feasible in the middle of the twentieth century. And Poseidon is now absent. L-logic (no).
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  17. kig
    kig 29 September 2019 10: 04
    +2
    Admirals with generals are sitting somewhere on the sofas across the ocean, and they think that it seems that they cannot do this ... what if the Russians did not know and did this? Who knows them there, they are unpredictable. And it comes to my mind a long-standing nf-story, where the generals also gathered scientists and showed them amateur photography, in which one crazy scientist shows a satchel with an anti-gravity engine. His story is intermittently interrupted by the sounds of take-off planes, so that you really don’t understand anything. Finally, someone also takes off, makes a pirouette and explodes. After that, scientists are shown a bunch of mangled-charred something, isolated from society for the sake of secrecy, and ordered to do the same. After some time, scientists create an anti-gravity engine. The size of it, however, if so, is ten times larger than a satchel, but it works. After that they are introduced to a lively and healthy crazy scientist who turned out to be an actor, and the whole film is fake.

    That's how our cartoons would not have moved an avalanche.
  18. Bastinda
    Bastinda 29 September 2019 10: 09
    -4
    The view of the amateur.
    1. Lack of hatches - noise reduction? Less flow distortion points.
    2. The diameter is similar to 650 - 900 mm maximum. Handrail, decking, steps.
    3.
    the holes in the head are very similar to the gags for securing the towing end
    Or sensor holes?
    4.
    once before the invention of gps / glonass, cruise missiles flew on a terrain map.
    Is there an accurate bottom relief? Or an accurate map of sea currents? What can one attach to without breaking stealth on a path of 1000 kilometers?
    5.
    Sakharov torpedo was feasible in the middle of the twentieth century. And Poseidon is now absent. L-logic (no).

    Sakharov offered a straight-going torpedo. And then, because of the failure to reduce the size of the charge.
    My opinion (amateur) is unrealistic. Mostly due to navigation issues.
    1. DrVintorez
      DrVintorez 29 September 2019 12: 09
      0
      Quote: Bastinda
      Sakharov offered a straight-going torpedo. And then, because of the failure to reduce the size of the charge.
      My opinion (amateur) is unrealistic. Mostly due to navigation issues.

      problems with navigation in the upright torpedo?
    2. mark1
      mark1 29 September 2019 13: 25
      0
      Quote: Bastinda
      My opinion (amateur) is unrealistic. Mostly due to navigation issues.

      I, too, as an amateur, will tell an amateur - there are a lot of fish and other reptiles in the sea, and what if he flies on a whale? -Unreal!
  19. RAM
    RAM 29 September 2019 10: 45
    -4
    An article from the field "I do not believe, because it does not happen like that", did the poet accidentally call up the general designer?
  20. Gray brother
    Gray brother 29 September 2019 10: 53
    -7
    Quote: Monster_Fat
    https://7x7-journal.ru/articles/2019/09/03/u-beregov-sela-nyonoksa-v-arhangelskoj-oblasti-brosheny-dve-barzhi-s-vysokim-urovnem-radiacii

    I’m a decent person and I don’t have any desire to climb network trash. This is the lot of wrestlers.
  21. Astronaut
    Astronaut 29 September 2019 11: 21
    -1
    as a product capable of independently sailing at least a mile away, does not exist

    The author, this is solely your subjective opinion.
    Hello from the developers!
    1. timokhin-aa
      timokhin-aa 29 September 2019 20: 00
      -3
      From state cutters. money for crazy and unnecessary technophantasy.
      1. Astronaut
        Astronaut 29 September 2019 23: 12
        +2
        Do not flaunt lack of education wink
        1. timokhin-aa
          timokhin-aa 30 September 2019 00: 57
          -4
          I am glad that you have no fundamental objections to the fact that this is technophantasy, and that it is insane.
  22. saltickov.
    saltickov. 29 September 2019 12: 00
    0
    you see the gopher, but he is.
  23. DrVintorez
    DrVintorez 29 September 2019 12: 11
    0
    Quote: Lipchanin
    Quote: Gray Brother
    Especially for vases, a musical break:

    Yeah. The girl Mosh was taken out radically

    no one could stand her brain. daughter is sick. seriously enough. they just made her a weapon, that's all.
  24. Undecim
    Undecim 29 September 2019 12: 26
    +3
    It was not possible to collect unequivocal evidence. In principle, the most affordable way is to compare the dimensions of the product in one photo and the container in another.
    The author, you have in the first photo, in the background, a finished scale ruler - load-bearing columns. The step of the columns is determined by the norms of building design and is always a multiple of 6 meters. In this case, if you focus on window spans - 6 meters - the most likely. The length of the container is about 20-24 meters.
    1. wehr
      29 September 2019 13: 09
      0
      If the columns were close to the product - then yes. But they are far away, and the survey was done at an angle, so it is difficult to determine with a large error, if you do not use special analysis methods.
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 29 September 2019 13: 17
        +7
        Yes, there are no special methods needed. A sheet of paper, a ruler, a pencil and a school drawing course.
        1. DrVintorez
          DrVintorez 29 September 2019 16: 10
          +3
          Quote: Undecim
          school drawing course.

          already difficult. Well it was necessary to go to school.
      2. timokhin-aa
        timokhin-aa 29 September 2019 20: 08
        -1
        Dmitry, in those frames with gray Poseidon, from where you pulled the photo, there is, firstly, a person, as a standard of size, albeit a poor one, and the notorious hatch for "access to the reactor" too.
        The item painted in a checker is not a TPK, it is a throwable model in several ring holders, painted for measurements on video, like rockets, which are painted in about the same pattern during testing. Does Poseidon TPK have this question - with the B-90 and the future "Khabarovsk" it could / will be launched without the TPK. but from "Belgorod" it is already more difficult. But the photo is not TPK.

        Well, etc.

        No finished product, yes. But not on the basis of what you wrote, it simply does not exist.
    2. timokhin-aa
      timokhin-aa 29 September 2019 20: 04
      -1
      This is not a TPK, this is a mock-up of a product, painted in a "checker" for throwing tests. on the nose it has a ring holder for lifting with a crane.

      The sizes you guessed right. They are about the same, by cutting frames with another copy of the product the same thing comes out, though the truth is there is even better a standard - a person. Better, because the grid of columns is not 6 meters, but a multiple of 6 meters)))

      But, again, you guessed the size of the product.
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 29 September 2019 20: 24
        +2
        I did not guess, I counted. Six is ​​also a multiple of six. Six meters is the minimum span, and to determine in the photo that there is a six-meter span is not difficult. Professional skills.
      2. bk0010
        bk0010 29 September 2019 20: 28
        0
        Quote: timokhin-aa
        But, again, you guessed the size of the product.
        Now let him receive the admission form and sign that he is acquainted. laughing
  25. Umalta
    Umalta 29 September 2019 13: 05
    0
    Exactly that there is no evidence. More precisely, that most likely they will not be until the time when there is a need to designate something and get an effect (dividend). Bluffing is possible, but it’s not exactly what they will show evidence for the sake of language in VO !!!
  26. VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK
    VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK 29 September 2019 13: 56
    +1
    Why do we need potential opponents to lay out our secret projects. True or not, their headache. And you are Russian people, if not secret agents like small children. Show, tell. Conscience. Have a fake, let the Pentagon understand. This is not our business . Previously, for such an article, real TTXs of our weapons would come for you and we will lay out and discuss them. Anti is patriotic. This is not our mind.
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    1. Voyager
      Voyager 29 September 2019 17: 01
      0
      Poseidon already swims swiftly in trials, and successfully. Thanks to this, some developers were sent to Severodvinsk after the tragedy.
      And all these notorious theories and speculations are not worth the time to read them. I won’t say anything else.
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        1. bk0010
          bk0010 29 September 2019 20: 32
          0
          What makes you think that Losharik and that catstroph are related to Poseidon. About Losharik, I read that the self-liquidator of the device that picked up the deep-sea vehicle worked there. And specialists from Sarov died when a rocket turned around the Skif launch pad. Do you have other data?
          1. SovAr238A
            SovAr238A 29 September 2019 21: 03
            -3
            Quote: bk0010
            What makes you think that Losharik and that catstroph are related to Poseidon. About Losharik, I read that the self-liquidator of the device that picked up the deep-sea vehicle worked there. And specialists from Sarov died when a rocket turned around the Skif launch pad. Do you have other data?


            Scythian does not exist.
            1. For no submarine-based missile has a 100% guarantee of the passage of a reliable signal of an attack in a water column - that is, guaranteed protocol.
            2. The decision protocol for a missile strike itself requires the manual launch of a rocket.
            3. No rocket can go from a depth of more than 80 meters.
            4. No rocket can penetrate ice more than 1 meter thick when exiting from depths of 30 or more meters.
            Borisov's tales are tales.

            Losharik worked precisely on Poseidon.
            He caught losing control of Poseid. and got damaged.

            A floating platform 5 miles offshore worked just because. that there is a chance that protection from the fool was done based on the coordinates of the coastline. The self-detonating element of a nuclear warhead was supposed to turn on when the rocket was removed over the coastline. That is, to exclude the factor of studying Poseidon by the enemy. after it was captured and sent to the coastal laboratories for study. Such traps are put on a fool so far. the cost of a GPS receiver in the region of 35 cents ...
            that is why the work was carried out on a barge.
            But something went wrong.
            1. Town Hall
              Town Hall 29 September 2019 21: 09
              +1
              Quote: SovAr238A
              The self-detonating element of a nuclear warhead was supposed to turn on when the rocket was removed from the coastline

              Oh well?. The coastline of the entire globe?
              1. SovAr238A
                SovAr238A 29 September 2019 21: 11
                -3
                Quote: Town Hall
                Quote: SovAr238A
                The self-detonating element of a nuclear warhead was supposed to turn on when the rocket was removed from the coastline

                Oh well?. The coastline of the entire globe?


                you will not believe. how easy it is to write in ROM ...
                1. Town Hall
                  Town Hall 29 September 2019 21: 15
                  0
                  Of course I won’t believe it. The coastline of all continents and islands is hundreds of thousands if not millions of kilometers. Yes and GPS can be manipulated for such a thing.
            2. Vadim237
              Vadim237 29 September 2019 23: 41
              0
              1. "For not a single underwater missile has a 100% guarantee of passing a reliable signal of an attack in the water column - that is, a guaranteed protocol.
              2. The decision protocol for a missile strike itself requires the manual launch of a rocket.
              3. No rocket can go from a depth of more than 80 meters.
              4. No rocket can penetrate ice more than 1 meter thick when exiting from depths of 30 or more meters.
              Borisov's fairy tales are fairy tales. ”- And in technical terms, it is possible in more detail, why is this impossible?
        2. Voyager
          Voyager 29 September 2019 22: 46
          +2
          You have the talent to pile everything all at once and carry nonsense.
  28. Alexy
    Alexy 29 September 2019 14: 12
    +4
    They showed you only what you need to know and no more. The article is about nothing at all.
  29. letinant
    letinant 29 September 2019 14: 20
    -1
    Mr. Dmitry Verkhoturov. In your article, I read the words about technical connectors, the photographs that you attached to the article show different parts of the products. On the top, the head is on the bottom, that is, the stern. You've heard this "COMPARE O ... FINGER." Did it ever occur to you that in the top picture on the product there is a protective cover fixed with hoops? You think it is impossible to determine from the photo where what technical hatches and I think many "most likely friends" paid dearly for such information. Your article is "sucked", but believe it or not. But this idea was put forward by Academician Sakharov, but the government considered it inhumane, so it closed the project. SEE THE TIME HAS COME.
    1. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 29 September 2019 19: 49
      -2
      Quote: letinant
      But this idea was put forward by academician Sakharov, but the government considered it inhumane, and therefore closed the project. VISIBLE TIME IS COMING.


      Explain to me. why such reverence for Sakharov?
      After all, he was a third-rate worker all the time ...
      After all, the real fathers of the thermonuclear poison in the Soviet Union were Ginzburg, Tamm. and starring Zeldovich.
      Sakharov was a pawn.
      His PR as the father of thermonuclear poisoning was created only during the years of perestroika.
      He created a halo of his father.

      Sakharov is essentially "there is no one to call him."
      I called you real people.
      These are real people!
      And Sakharov is a pawn thrown out by the perestroika foam.
      1. letinant
        letinant 30 September 2019 10: 39
        -1
        Have you read what I wrote about? Sakharov put forward the idea of ​​such a torpedo, and here, "After all, the real fathers of thermonuclear in the Soviet Union were Ginzburg, Tamm." !?
      2. Tommy
        Tommy 7 October 2019 16: 03
        +1
        SovAr238A (Al)! You are just a disgrace carrying delirium, not knowing the merits of Sakharov! Learn the story about Sakharov's "puff"!
        1. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 7 October 2019 20: 46
          -2
          Quote: Tommy
          SovAr238A (Al)! You are just a disgrace carrying delirium, not knowing the merits of Sakharov! Learn the story about Sakharov's "puff"!


          Shame is you!
          You have never read a story for real.
          The idea of ​​puff (lithium-6 deuteride-tritide) belonged to Vitaly Lazarevich Ginzburg - back in 1948.
          But his wife was repressed and he was excommunicated from work on the Thermonuclear.
          And his laurels arbitrarily in his memoirs took Sakharov.
          Sakharov was Tamm's favorite.
          But he was not a real brilliant employee.
          And it was Tamm who sold him the academician.
          After all, the real leaders of the Soviet thermonuclear poison are Yu. B. Khariton, I.E. Tamm, Ya.B. Zeldovich.
          And very often it was Khariton - who forced his subordinates to act according to his instructions - and gave them the right to result.
          Since he was already on top and was a father to everyone.

          Sakharov is completely insignificant - he robbed a friend of Ginzburg in appropriating the idea.
          And he created himself a halo of the father of a hydrogen bomb in his "memories" ...

          So learn the materiel ...
          1. Tommy
            Tommy 9 October 2019 00: 54
            +2
            SovAr238A (Al)! Not tired of lying everywhere about Sakharov and our other nuclear scientists? Sofa strategist, your knowledge is so low and dirty ... Are you from Ukraine? Judging by your dirt, you are definitely from there! You played so much here without knowledge. Here we know many people by your illiterate statements against Russia.
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  31. Umalta
    Umalta 29 September 2019 14: 22
    0
    The second-generation nuclear submarine, built according to Project 661 Anchar. reached underwater speeds of over 82 km / h. The nuclear fuel reserves in the reactors could provide more than four round-the-world voyages with a full underwater course (82 km / h) without recharging the reactor core. It was built from 1959 to 1969. Completely made of titanium (hence our unique titanium casting denied by rubbish on our website) at the speed of "Anchar" passed the baton to the nuclear submarines "Lira". They also had titanium hulls, and these small (surface displacement of 2300 tons) boats could reach speeds of up to 41 knots, and now imagine what has changed since then, in nuclear power engineering, automation, etc.
    1. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 29 September 2019 19: 57
      -4
      Quote: Umalta
      The second-generation nuclear submarine, built according to Project 661 Anchar. reached underwater speeds of over 82 km / h. The nuclear fuel reserves in the reactors could provide more than four round-the-world voyages with a full underwater course (82 km / h) without recharging the reactor core. It was built from 1959 to 1969. Completely made of titanium (hence our unique titanium casting denied by rubbish on our website) at the speed of "Anchar" passed the baton to the nuclear submarines "Lira". They also had titanium hulls, and these small (surface displacement of 2300 tons) boats could reach speeds of up to 41 knots, and now imagine what has changed since then, in nuclear power engineering, automation, etc.


      And what is the combat value of this submarine?
      In the current environment?
      When she roars like that. what 5 thousand miles are sperm whales being washed ashore?

      Can't you really understand that the degree of development of science is all over the world.
      And if before there were no torpedoes descending 1000 meters deep into the water, then after the appearance of Komsomolets - they already exist ...
      And if before there were no torpedoes having guidance on the target going over 20 knots. then after the appearance of Anchar - they already exist ...
      And if before the computer was the size of a 3-story house. then a modern smartphone is already doing it in terms of performance by a thousand orders of magnitude ...
      and also with modern noise identification algorithms. used to just listen with your ears. Now the computer selects certain frequency disturbances and anomalies (these are the words that you love so much) ...

      And most importantly, what your mind cannot reach.
      No one will let the carrier of Poseidon alone and unnoticed leave the base.
      It will be accompanied by 2-3-4-5-10 nuclear submarines of the enemy.
      They will hammer it with active impulses all the time.
      They will constantly simulate attacks.
      They will go with him in a direct collision.
      They will not give a chance to release Poseidon.
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      2. Umalta
        Umalta 29 September 2019 23: 12
        +2
        You specifically take a speculative thesis that I don’t use, based on a quote from my text and enthusiastically refute it, a worthy propagandist technique, but visible to everyone. I just brought the level of technical and scientific achievements of the USSR in the 60s, by the way, by many parameters unattainable by the West to this day, and extrapolated at the moment, so I most likely have a disrespectful detractor of my Motherland Poseidon. Let everyone think whether or not to eat, and your nonsense about tracking each submarine leaving the base, well, probably be treated.
  32. Old26
    Old26 29 September 2019 14: 22
    +7
    Quote: YOUR
    The Americans have an unmanned diesel submarine, the question is why we cannot have an unmanned nuclear submarine unmanned submarine.
    So they thought about this issue.

    The point is that they are not trying to give this submarine "unmatched in the world" characteristics .. Its cruising range, EMNIP, is 350 miles. On an electric ship. Then it should come up and recharge the batteries. And he cannot walk thousands of kilometers without surfacing, it is not clear how to orient himself. But its immersion depth is about 3 km and there is a compartment in which deep-sea torpedoes can be. And her speed is not 100 knots. Called - the project "Orca"

    Quote: NEXUS
    The author sits and wonders if Poseidon is there or not. He gives some evidence, puts forward counterarguments ... and the citizen is unaware that there is such a thing, secret information. That disclosing such information amounts to treason. But a citizen persistently scribbles an article so that they read this creation, spend time and argue whether there is life on Mars or if it did not stand there.

    The appearance and dimensions have long ceased to be classified information. It was at the time of the Soviet Union that the type and size of our snowstorm were considered secret, as were the landing airfields. While in the West, both were published in thematic magazines. The problem of secrecy is generally quite ambiguous. As far as I heard only a few years ago, the secrecy label was removed from such a product as the Maxim machine gun. It's just that no one thought it was time to do it. It was by inertia that the "maxim" continued to be secret.
    If we follow this logic, Andrei, the first people who should have gotten under this skating rink were the generals at a meeting with Putin and a TV operator who showed a picture of "Status". Believe me, secret office work sometimes reached insanity.

    Quote: NEXUS
    Excuse me, the public, what will happen to you from this? Is it hot or cold? The author tries to talk about the performance characteristics of this device and gives a photo.

    I repeat. This data was on the page shown on TV. And there was no bar on the page. So the document was generally without a fingerboard. Even without chipboard

    Quote: Lipchanin
    Do you know exactly?
    Is it because you were not told?

    And what, you can put into service a product when even the first tests have not passed? You served in Baikonur. After all, this is the same as taking a newly created rocket, which has never flown before, putting it on the launch pad and loading astronauts into it. Nonsense and nonsense? Yes, nonsense, yes, nonsense. But why do you think that having shown the initial stage of testing "Poseidon" (we believe that we tested "Poseidon") it can already be put into service? NO LOGIC. And no one will do this. At best, the tests will last several years before the product is put into service. And this process is very long-term. It is necessary not only to "drive" this torpedo boat in different modes and to take acoustic characteristics at different speeds, depths, temperatures. It is also necessary for this torpedo boat to pass all tests for navigation systems. This will take a very long time. In short, "Poseidon". as a weapon system does not currently exist. There is a certain concept embodied in a certain hardware.

    Quote: Nikolaevich I
    "Does Poseidon exist?" - This question can be viewed from different "angles"! For example, 1. Is there a notorious nuclear power plant for Poseidon, capable of giving the device tremendous speed and driving the anti-NATO horror story to an agramad distance, while ensuring "undetectability" ...? 2. Is there an electronic equipment capable of bringing Poseidon with the required (high) accuracy through an agramad distance to a given area ...? I'm not even going to bother with the question: "Does this nuclear power plant exist in at least some workable state ?! For I consider it no less difficult than the creation of a workable nuclear power plant, the creation of the declared performance characteristics" of Poseidon! If each of the points requires a "revolutionary breakthrough" and is very difficult to implement, then what remains to be said about a "breakthrough" immediately in 2-3 "technological"
    areas?

    laughing good

    Quote: bar
    As for the complexity of orientation on the "bump map" and the complexity of creating such maps, then again, the complexity is not impossibility. I think such work has been underway for a long time, the "loshariki" swim and do something there.

    Technically, you can certainly do it. The question is complexity. It is hardly possible to create an exact map of the bottom by irradiating it from a distance of several kilometers (in depth). But this is not the most important thing. The bottom, in itself, is a rather dynamic structure. And it changes much faster than the relief on the surface. And I’m not sure that in 2-3 years the same section of the bottom will be the same.

    Quote: bar
    As an option - the installation of deep-sea beacons along the proposed routes of movement of Poseidon to increase accuracy. How do you like this idea?

    What are the proposed routes of movement? If he sets up the beacons in advance, there is no guarantee that the enemy will not detect and reconfigure them. Or even "turn off".

    Quote: bar
    Poseidon is able to at least nullify the power of striped AUG, destroying their base.

    Dear Andrey! In intelligence (and counterintelligence) there is such a term: unmasking signs. Which are tracked by the intelligence services of various countries. Including ours and American ones. It is practically impossible to "withdraw" "Poseidon" unnoticed from its permanent base just like that. If a carrier boat is used, its location will also be tracked. This is the unmasking feature in this weapon system.
    If "Poseidon" will go to the position "on its own". then a lot of questions arise in general. No one can tell what its buoyancy is. And there are very big doubts that the buoyancy will be positive (it has no tanks). This means that the question will arise, with what minimum speed he can move. And it is clear for itself the questions of its detection by means of hydrophones.
    And do you really think that when it becomes clear to American intelligence that the "Poseidon" suddenly "disappeared" from sight, then the American AUG will "wait for the weather from the sea", being in their bases and waiting for them to be covered with a thermonuclear explosion ??

    Quote: Ezekiel 25-17
    And finally: the article is paid by the enemies of Russia.

    Without fail. As soon as someone has an opinion that is different from the one voiced by the president and accepted by the majority as the ultimate truth, the enemy immediately paid for it. Do not look for enemies under your bed yet ??

    Quote: DrVintorez
    Sakharov torpedo was feasible in the middle of the twentieth century. And Poseidon is now absent. L-logic (no).

    Nobody sold the Sakharov torpedo either. There was only theoretical development. And whether it would correspond to its performance characteristics is not known at all ... There were a lot of such developments, including missiles with a nuclear engine. Which also could theoretically be implemented in the 50s - 60s of the last century. However, alas, they were not built

    Quote: Bastinda
    . The diameter is similar to 650 - 900 mm maximum. Handrail, decking, steps.

    It would be easier to use a person’s height as a reference point. And next to this torpedo. This basically gives a diameter of about 1,5-2 meters. Closer to two. With a diameter of 650-900 mm, it cannot be 24 meters long, as they say sometimes.

    Quote: Bastinda
    Is there an accurate bottom relief? Or an accurate map of sea currents? What can one attach to without breaking stealth on a path of 1000 kilometers?

    If he is, then only in a certain area at a certain point in time. Throughout the route - the answer NEGATIVE. There is no exact bottom relief. He is changing.
    Accurate map of sea currents? I'm afraid not either, especially over the entire depth range
    And the path of 1000 km is not enough. Range of the order of 6-7 thousand, not less.
    1. Stils
      Stils 29 September 2019 19: 35
      -1
      Quite a great comment! Common sense and logic! good
    2. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 29 September 2019 20: 06
      -4
      Quote: Old26

      Quote: Bastinda
      . The diameter is similar to 650 - 900 mm maximum. Handrail, decking, steps.

      It would be easier to use a person’s height as a reference point. And next to this torpedo. This basically gives a diameter of about 1,5-2 meters. Closer to two. With a diameter of 650-900 mm, it cannot be 24 meters long, as they say sometimes ..


      Everything is much simpler. than it seems.
      Well, those. whoever Urya-Ura has never been in production — he can talk anything.
      The step foot with 100% probability makes it clear that the diameter of the case in this photo is from 110 to 125cm. For such norms on the use of steps where people move up, with possible equipment in their hands.
  33. xomaNN
    xomaNN 29 September 2019 14: 23
    +1
    Since the Yankees either flew to the Moon or not, why not make them guess at the presence of Poseidon laughing There is? No?
  34. boo
    boo 29 September 2019 14: 38
    +1
    Judging by the results of activities in the military-industrial complex, the space sector in our country already lacks the scientific, engineering base and qualifications even for large projects. In my opinion, there is an unmistakable criterion - most of the projects widely announced under Putin in the defense industry or in space, aviation (the Pakfa, Armata, Zircon, East Cosmodrome, hangar, superjet) did not go through the procedure of being accepted for arming / operating and / or are not produced in large quantities.
    1. Armata. A few years ago, when a tank PR death toll, asked questions on military sites about the possibility of reviewing the crew in case they knock out all the optics on the tower. I was condescendingly advised against teaching the cat to eat sausages. And recently I meet an article with a link to the Ministry of Defense where it says that the main problem is why the Ministry of Defense does not take the tank into series, that it turns into a blind tin can if all the optics are knocked out, the crew will completely cease to see the situation and in general at the moment it is suitable only for parades.
    2. PAK FA. PR for many years as the coolest fighter in the world. And recently, India first abandoned its export version of FGFA, big claims on the quality of electronics and stealth (the nozzles are round rather than rectangular, because of which its ESR is 10 times higher than the ESR of the state F-22), and then set the condition that they will begin to purchase him only when we have him in service. Recently, I again meet an article with us that this aircraft is now in such a condition that it is suitable only for parades, and missiles have not been developed.
    3. Zircon. Several years ago they wrote that the main problem here is the creation of ramjet ramps for stable operation at hypersonic speeds. I do not hear a word or half a word whether this problem has been resolved over which all developed countries have been struggling for a long time. Not a word is said when this next waffle will be put into operation.
    4. Superjet. 80-90% of imported components, even they couldn’t do it from imported ones, defects, defects, zero service, failures all over the world.
    5. The cosmodrome is east. They stole everything that can be stolen, the facility is inoperative, and recently it has flooded the foundation pit at the launch pad. Another pilostroy, like the Olympics in Sochi
    6. Rocket Angara. They tortured us for more than 20 years, God knows how much was stolen from it, still nothing has been taken into operation, nothing flies.
    The general impression is that all these projects began to be promoted from scratch in order to attract loot, and whether or not it was possible to finish all this to the end, nobody especially thought. If only something was brought to mind from what we started earlier.
    Before you ride on the ears around the world with new Wishlist.
    1. Stils
      Stils 29 September 2019 15: 06
      -2
      That's right. It will be the same as with the Angara, Cosmodrome, Zircon, etc., but with all these projects the horse also didn’t lie around, in a year or two it all stalls, and then there will be endless transfers due to crises, difficulties, falling oil prices etc.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 30 September 2019 00: 03
      +2
      "And recently I met an article with a link to the Ministry of Defense, which says" - Hence all the news that you listed above - mammoths swollen from a fly. An armata tank is useless when the optics are out of order - such a claim can be attached to any tank. Su 57 India refused - they are so smart-ass Indians if only cheaper, they recently started to tackle the project again. Zircon. "A few years ago they wrote" Those guys who did not know anything about him at all and still do not know. Superjet. 80-90% of imported components, and with all this, 190 were produced and continue to be produced further - two accidents during the entire operation period and those due to the fault of the crew are more than an excellent indicator of the aircraft reliability. Vostochny cosmodrome - rockets are launched, the second stage is being built. Rocket Angara. Created for the Ministry of Defense to replace the Proton, which will no longer be produced in 2025.
      1. Olezhek
        Olezhek 30 September 2019 21: 06
        0
        Superjet. 80-90% of imported components and for all that they were released by 190


        Yes, in general, not a project, but a song!
      2. kig
        kig 2 November 2019 12: 11
        0
        Choose any one you like:

        MOSCOW, November 2 - RIA Novosti. Roscosmos terminated the contract with the Khrunichev Center for the production of the Angara-1.2 launch vehicle, according to the materials at the disposal of RIA Novosti.
        The contract worth more than two billion rubles was signed on July 25. The rocket was supposed to be ready by October 15, 2021. It was intended to launch the Gonets-M satellites numbered 33, 34 and 35 into orbit. According to the materials, the contract was terminated on October 30 by the decision of Roscosmos. The reasons for this step were not reported.

        MOSCOW, November 2 - RIA Novosti. Russia will completely replace the Proton carrier rockets with the environmentally friendly Angara rocket in 5 years, the press service of the state corporation told RIA Novosti.
        "The management of Roscosmos considers the launch of the production of universal rocket modules Angara at the Omsk production site a priority task for the corporation. In 2024, the heavy Angara should completely replace the Protons," the press service said.
        Assembly and test building of the launch complex of the Angara rocket.
    3. Olezhek
      Olezhek 30 September 2019 21: 12
      0
      The general impression is that all these projects began to be promoted from scratch in order to attract loot, and whether or not it was possible to finish all this to the end, nobody especially thought.


      This is precisely the impression that is taking shape.
  35. codetalker
    codetalker 29 September 2019 15: 06
    +2
    Does the Minister of Defense personally report to the author? In a previous opus, he claimed that "Petrel is not suitable for war."
    There is generally an interesting publication history)
  36. Stalllker
    Stalllker 29 September 2019 15: 33
    0
    As the author is blind. The photo shows the "cobra" lanterns, and people also tell that this "club" is one and a half meters in diameter
    1. timokhin-aa
      timokhin-aa 29 September 2019 20: 13
      +1
      More. Take a closer look. Around 2's.
  37. Operator
    Operator 29 September 2019 15: 33
    0
    The author has a speaking last name - therefore, another request to the VO administration is to print the names of the authors at the beginning of the articles laughing
  38. gregor6549
    gregor6549 29 September 2019 15: 50
    -1
    As they say, the new is the well-forgotten old. And the old one was the development of the Gidropribor Research Institute (Leningrad) at the beginning of the 50 of the T 15 torpedo with a thermonuclear warhead nuclear warhead for the first atomic submarine of the USSR due to the absence of nuclear weapons in the USSR that could reach the United States.
    More details about this and why the development of such a torpedo was covered can be found in the book by I. Drogovoz "The Big Fleet of the Land of the Soviets". In addition to this book, there are many other sources regarding this torpedo, including https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A2-15_(%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B5% D0% BA% D1% 82)
    General conclusion: the development of such torpedoes and carriers for them is not justified for many reasons. These reasons remain relevant now.
    1. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 29 September 2019 20: 08
      -3
      Quote: gregor6549
      As they say, the new is the well-forgotten old. And the old one is the development of the Research Institute Gidropribor (Leningrad) in the early 50s of the torpedo T 15 s

      The T-15 has never been developed. no Hydraulic Appliance - 100%.
      1. gregor6549
        gregor6549 30 September 2019 06: 27
        -1
        What is your 100% confidence based on that the T15 was never developed by any Gidropribor? After all, I named the sources from where the information I presented was obtained. Have you even watched them, or all your knowledge is based on the primacy of faith and is replaced by faith. Something like "I believe and that's it. Or I don't."
        You already tell us, illiterate, on what "cornerstone" your faith is based.
        But even if we assume that the torpedo was not called T15 and was not designed by Hydropribor, then this changes in terms of the topic under discussion. The main thing is that such a torpedo was developed until they came to a simple thought about its futility. The developers / customers of Poseidon will inevitably come to the same thought. They won’t get anywhere from this thought.
        And further. I am killed by the habit of most readers and "writers" IN to put anonymous cons. Well, let's say some of them disagree with something. Well, let the act not hide, but tell everyone that I say this and that and such and such do not agree with those and those statements of the author of the article or commentary, which is why I will become a minus to the author. And at the same time let him report on what his disagreement is based on. I, in principle, do not give a damn about the minuses, but it's not impressive how it turns out, like a boy, and even VO compromises. Although it itself has long been compromised by publishing rumors and articles from the yellow press.
  39. Lexus
    Lexus 29 September 2019 16: 27
    0
    As practice shows, in Russia everything secret is covered with a veil of secrecy only for taxpayers. “Partners”, on the contrary, are well informed and, for some reason, are in no hurry to be afraid. I doubt that their scouts "eat bread" for nothing.
    Alas, the declaration of the appearance of "miracle weapons" has always coincided with failures in the creation of traditional weapons, only aggravating the consequences, often diverting the last resources to themselves.
    I really do not want it to be "the very case."
    1. Olezhek
      Olezhek 30 September 2019 21: 04
      0
      Alas, the declaration of the appearance of "miracle weapons" has always coincided with failures in the creation of traditional weapons

      Voicing alarming thoughts
  40. cyborg
    cyborg 29 September 2019 17: 06
    +2
    Wow! There are no gauges either!
  41. VeteranVSSSR
    VeteranVSSSR 29 September 2019 18: 01
    -1
    Quote: kuz363
    The same muhlyazh as the Petrel

    You're not right-
    ,, ... over the gray expanses of the sea, the Petrel flies proudly ... '' (proletarian writer)
  42. Nikolai
    Nikolai 29 September 2019 18: 12
    +1
    Simple such! So we told you and showed you (dimensions, weight, hatches, screws ...). Take a bite!
    Who do you work for? Speak!
    1. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 29 September 2019 20: 09
      -5
      Quote: Nikolai Aleksandrovich
      Simple such! So we told you and showed you (dimensions, weight, hatches, screws ...). Take a bite!
      Who do you work for? Speak!

      What did you want to say something, fool?
      1. Nikolai
        Nikolai 29 September 2019 21: 07
        0
        Strange, read an article?
  43. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 29 September 2019 18: 52
    0
    All works on * Poseidon * are deeply classified, however. And I personally think that’s right. It is not necessary for everyone and everyone to know about the progress of work. Here it is not necessary.
    Discussing something that is not known is an empty lesson. That's empty ... Such is my personally provincial view. hi
  44. Yura Frolov
    Yura Frolov 29 September 2019 18: 57
    0
    A spy sniffing about Poseidon would go further than this author.
  45. evgen1221
    evgen1221 29 September 2019 19: 07
    -1
    More questions to the author. The author claims that, as a taxpayer, he is obliged to know all the latest technical developments for a personal assessment of their effectiveness and the appropriateness of spending on them and his personal money. Question one - The author is not V.V. Putin under a pseudonym so that he will be given details? -And the lights of democracy in (God-chosen America) - I mean, their taxpayer has a lot of technical characteristics laid out according to their developments? go see this data with your own eyes, and personally assess the expediency of spending money on railguns and this air defense system. Give an example of the discovery of all the latest technical equipment to the public, well, at least one is the only one in the whole world, I'm afraid that on this issue all the ardor of the author will evaporate like morning fog. )))
    1. arcgrz
      arcgrz 29 September 2019 19: 37
      0
      yes it is sk. total Ukrainian, or Israeli what thread ..
      this is their trick, the Gussian prikidyvatstsa ..
    2. Firelake
      Firelake 30 September 2019 10: 41
      -1
      You will exit the bunker. Stop fighting. The world has come a long time. Right after the money our elite stores in the USA
  46. Jurgens
    Jurgens 29 September 2019 19: 07
    +1
    "I". One big, not overshadowed by the intellect "I", spilling from each line of the next injection. Why is it here, this is this troll? Well it is stupid, from the word "absolutely". Hey, modernists, why not create a "corner of the all-knowing genius" on the site, into which all this methylmercaptan creativity will merge? Since it cannot clog the sphincter, let it have a separate waste tank. Convenient and environmentally friendly ...)
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  48. Lbvsushi
    Lbvsushi 29 September 2019 21: 26
    0
    I read a couple of articles by the author ... rather weakly ... now try to prove yourself in an alternative section, therefore it exists. Maybe then you will be more critical of yourself. At least publications will look more professional) Success.
  49. Indifferent
    Indifferent 29 September 2019 22: 20
    0
    "Drawn" a lot of posts with nonsense. Mine, of course, will "drown" in this mass. But I am sure that no Poseidon is needed now. One or two megatons to Yellowstone and khana kitten, no more pooping. If it does not help, then Tu160 will bring the "non-floating" Poseidon on itself and throw it at the desired point, where the depth is known. And that's all. The wave will finish the rest. Or perhaps such bombs are already lying at the bottom and waiting for a signal. The floating robot itself is not strong then it is needed, as I understand it. At least with a reactor, at least without. By the way, the author does not understand that it is impossible to make such a colossus detachable, like a torpedo. Can you also twist nuclear boats on bolts between the compartments? There is enough space for mounting even from the side of the bow , even from the side of the tail.
    1. Karabas
      Karabas 30 September 2019 06: 09
      0
      One or two megatons to Yellowstone and khana kitten, no more pooping. If it doesn't help, then Tu160 will bring the "non-floating" Poseidon on itself and throw it at the desired point, where the depth is known.

      These are risky troubles. In such a torpedo there’s no problem cramming 500 megatons. If 20 megatons burst underwater, the explosion will intensify 3-5 times due to the reaction of hydrogen in the surrounding water. We get 60-100 megatons. This is enough to break the lithosphere plate with all the consequences.
      1. Indifferent
        Indifferent 1 October 2019 16: 15
        0
        Khrushchev already blew 60 megatons on Novaya Zemlya, and there the plate is the thinnest. And nothing broke. This is a guess.
        1. Karabas
          Karabas 1 October 2019 20: 20
          0
          Khrushchev already blew 60 megatons on Novaya Zemlya, and there the plate is the thinnest. And nothing broke. This is a guess.

          50Mtn Air blast. It sank for almost 60Mtn. There are no islands. And here's another one from the wiki:
          the outbreak was visible at a distance of more than 1000 km [26], it was observed in Norway, Greenland and Alaska [1];
          the nuclear mushroom of the explosion rose to a height of 67 kilometers [2], the shape of the “hat” is two-tiered, the diameter of the upper tier is estimated at 95 kilometers, the lower - 70, the cloud was observed 800 km from the site of the explosion [1];
          a blast wave circled the globe three times [1], for the first time in 36 hours 27 minutes [3]:
          a seismic wave in the earth’s crust, generated by the shock wave of the explosion, circled the globe three times [26];
          the atmospheric pressure wave resulting from the explosion was recorded three times in New Zealand: the station in Wellington (New Zealand) recorded an increase in pressure at 21:57 on October 30 (arrival of the wave from the north-west), at 07:17 on October 31 ( from the southeast) and at 9:16 on November 1 (from the northwest; GMT time) with amplitudes of 0,6, 0,4 and 0,2 mbar, respectively; the average speed of the wave is estimated at 303 m / s, or 9,9 degrees of the arc of a large circle per hour [27];
          780 km from the explosion in the village on about. Dixon knocked out glass in the windows [1];
          the sound wave generated by the explosion reached the island of Dixon at a distance of about 800 kilometers, but there are no reports of destruction or damage to structures even located much closer (280 km) to the landfill of the urban-type Amderma [28];
          atmospheric ionization has caused radio interference even hundreds of kilometers from the landfill for about 40 minutes [25];
          the radioactive contamination of the experimental field with a radius of 2-3 km in the epicenter area was no more than 1 millientgen / hour, the testers appeared at the site of the explosion after 2 hours, the radioactive contamination practically did not pose a danger to the test participants [1].
    2. Olezhek
      Olezhek 30 September 2019 21: 03
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      Can also twist atomic boats bolted between compartments?


      Interesting thought!
  50. Vitaliy. RUS
    Vitaliy. RUS 30 September 2019 00: 10
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    This article, of such brilliant analytics, is hard to find on the Internet, it’s an extravaganza of evidence, the triumph of letters, the greatness of logic and common sense!
    Sarcasm.