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In Russia, developed a new KR "Onyx-M" with an increased firing range

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Onyx sea-based cruise missile received a new version. The Onyx-M cruise missile with an increased firing range was developed by NPO Mashinostroeniya. This was reported by TASS with reference to two sources in the Russian defense industry.


In Russia, developed a new KR "Onyx-M" with an increased firing range


According to the agency, the NPO Mashinostroeniya based on the Onyx missile system, which is in service, has developed a new sea-based Onyx-M cruise missile with a maximum firing range of 800 km and increased accuracy of destruction. The missile is equipped with an advanced control system that allows you to hit targets with great accuracy, and it also has increased protection against electronic warfare. Tests of the new CD will begin soon.

Based on the Onyx cruise missile in service, a new version was developed - Onyx-M, which received a maximum range of 800 km

- the agency cites the words of one of the sources.

According to available information, the tests of the new rocket were supposed to begin in the first ten days of September at one of the Northern fleetHowever, they were postponed due to the need for additional verification of rocket prototypes. According to the interlocutor of the agency, flight tests will begin within one to two months.

It is specified that the mass and overall characteristics of the Onyx-M cruise missile remained the same as that of the Onyx, which is in service, it can also carry both a conventional and a nuclear warhead.

It was previously reported that the maximum firing range of Onyx (Yakhont) is 300 km. The maximum rocket speed is 2,5 sound speeds at high altitude, the mass of a conventional warhead is 250 kg.
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  1. Victor_B
    Victor_B 25 September 2019 10: 07
    +26
    Can not but rejoice!
    As far as I understand "sausage scraps", our "probable friends" do not have a rocket with such parameters.
    Well, nice!
    1. Ingenegr
      Ingenegr 25 September 2019 10: 11
      -37
      If "friends" do not have something, it means that they do not really need it.
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B 25 September 2019 10: 13
        +33
        Quote: Ingenegr
        If "friends" do not have something, it means that they do not really need it.

        Both on!
        From this place in more detail! Plizz!
        Like - didn’t really want to?
        Or couldn’t I?
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 25 September 2019 10: 15
          +8
          Quote: Victor_B
          From this place in more detail! Plizz!

          And it’s like in childhood, in the sandbox
        2. Kalmar
          Kalmar 25 September 2019 11: 12
          +5
          Quote: Victor_B
          From this place in more detail! Plizz!

          "Friends" do not need to confront the world's largest navy, many times superior to their own in numbers and combat capabilities. And so they also saw long-range missiles slowly - the same LRASM is expected in the near future.
          1. bayard
            bayard 25 September 2019 18: 34
            +1
            Quote: Kalmar
            LRASM the same expected

            It is subsonic, albeit subtle. And quite long-range (Tomahawk in the PC version was 780 km.). But here the status of the world's first fleet, the United States may lose in the near future. China builds 4 times more annually than the United States (in terms of displacement), and US warships are quite old or at a respectable age. With such a pace, in 10 years they can change.
            And then will the US Navy have enough free-falling bombs and their carriers on rusty aircraft carriers, as well as subsonic capabilities
            Quote: Kalmar
            Lrasm

            In the United States, this is far from being so complacent.
            They are very nervous and are looking for solutions.
            1. Kalmar
              Kalmar 25 September 2019 22: 04
              0
              Quote: bayard
              She is subsonic

              Subsonic missiles have their own advantages. Which is better in the end - a moot point, in fact.

              Quote: bayard
              But the status of the world's first fleet, the United States may lose in the near future. China builds 4 times more than the United States per year (displacement), and US warships are quite old or are of a respectable age

              If they diligently blunt (as in the fable about the hare and the turtle) - yes, they can. But not soon: the size of the US Navy is now really very large compared to the Chinese navy. And then, it's not only the number of ships, but also their equipment (do the Chinese have an analogue of "Aegis", for example?).
              1. bayard
                bayard 26 September 2019 14: 59
                +1
                Quote: Kalmar

                Subsonic missiles have their own advantages. Which is better in the end - a moot point, in fact.

                The low-altitude flight profile is not yet a panacea, if the enemy has AWACS aircraft, you can’t dive from them under the radio horizon. But China has early warning systems, including the testing of the Chinese version of the Yak-44 (the failed deck of the USSR). But their stealth (missiles) detection will complicate.

                Quote: Kalmar
                But not soon: the size of the US Navy is now really very large compared to the Chinese navy. And then, it's not only the number of ships, but also their equipment (do the Chinese have an analogue of "Aegis", for example?).

                I am afraid that in 10 years everything will be completely ambiguous - the pace of construction in China is just some kind of infuriated printer, 055 is the fifth in a row that they launched into the water, and they are building them at two shipyards at once. And if you count the types 052C (6 pcs) and 052D (15 launched, 13 of them in service, all are planned for construction and have names 22 pcs., 2 x 32 = 64 cells for missiles of different types), then with their pace It’s scary to imagine how many there will be in 10 years. But they also have a bunch of modern frigates built (which the United States does not have).
                And they have their own AIDIS anolog, only the effectiveness of both his and other weapons systems of their latest ships can only be ... guessed, because official sources are stingy.
                It should also be borne in mind that the United States is forced to keep its fleet all over the world, spreading hegemony, while the Chinese fleet assembled in a fist and will soon dominate in Southeast Asia, relying, inter alia, on many bulk bases in South China the sea.
                Of course, he will spoil the blood of the United States, including together with its allies - Japan, South Korea, Australia, but the very dynamics of events, the momentum, industry capabilities and the fact that in these 10-15 years the USA will have to write off a lot of ships, and But to build a replacement for them to the full extent may not come out - financial opportunities are not the same, and the price tag for the destroyer in the USA and China, as they say in Odessa, is two big differences.
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        3. Ingenegr
          Ingenegr 25 September 2019 23: 50
          -4
          The laws of nature are the same everywhere. And the "friends" always knew them as well as we do, even in the golden years for Russian scientific and engineering thought. Having a different doctrine of the use of the army and the navy, they used the laws of nature in accordance with their vision of the principles of waging war in the heavens, seas and on land. And if their admirals had the same vision of naval war as ours, they would have their own "Onyxes". Only, most likely, they will be lighter and smaller than our size, they will fly farther and faster, and the "brains" will be more developed.
          I would like to remind you that it was our scientists and designers who went in batches across the ocean and to the Celestial Empire. Not the other way around. "Bison" are gone, "kittens" have replaced.
          Take a close look around: almost the entire techno world around you bears the marks "made in noRussia". Show me a telephone assembled from Russian components, a TV set, a processing center or a thermal imaging observation device. Only disappointment awaits you. "Kittens" can assemble a model from parts donated by their uncle, but only "bison", which are no longer here, can produce the parts themselves.
          1. Pavlov Sergey Alexandrovich
            Pavlov Sergey Alexandrovich 26 September 2019 13: 59
            +1
            You my friend have long walked out of the basement then on the street ?? Take an interest in what is produced from the elemental base and what is not. If thermal imagers on bolometers have also been mastered and have been producing for several years, plus we also make microprocessors for industry and defense. Of course, we are far from those 10 nm processes, but 26nm production was mastered in our territory. And a lot of things already. And do not forget about the phased development of any types of weapons, they are also far from our SCRC as we are from their stealth technologies, because both there and there are half a century of developments that are not so easy to catch up with.
      2. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 25 September 2019 10: 15
        0
        Quote: Ingenegr
        that means they don’t really need it.

        Are you talking about the outskirts?
      3. Piramidon
        Piramidon 25 September 2019 11: 12
        +5
        Quote: Ingenegr
        If "friends" do not have something, it means that they do not really need it.

        Well, this is from the "opera" "The Fox and the Grapes"
      4. Xenofont
        Xenofont 25 September 2019 11: 50
        0
        Yes Yes! "Fox and Grapes"!
      5. Captain Pushkin
        Captain Pushkin 25 September 2019 19: 41
        +3
        Quote: Ingenegr
        If "friends" do not have something, it means that they do not really need it.

        So, Americans buy RD-180 from us because they don’t have it, but not because they don’t need it?
        Then why buy, if not needed?
        1. regulus
          regulus 25 September 2019 23: 51
          0
          Because it was cheaper. Soon they will stop buying.
          1. Captain Pushkin
            Captain Pushkin 26 September 2019 11: 36
            0
            Quote: regulus
            Because it was cheaper. Soon they will stop buying.

            So, it wasn’t ours, but was needed?
            1. regulus
              regulus 27 September 2019 01: 36
              0
              It was easier to buy ready-made.
      6. NEOZ
        NEOZ 12 December 2019 19: 02
        0
        Quote: Ingenegr
        If "friends" do not have something, it means that they do not really need it.

        I would call it less toxic! for example: If "friends" do not have something, then it is not their priority. :))))))
    2. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 25 September 2019 10: 13
      0
      I put "minus", accidentally recourse
      1. Livonetc
        Livonetc 25 September 2019 10: 23
        +1
        Compensated. drinks
    3. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 25 September 2019 10: 14
      +10
      According to the agency, the NPO Mashinostroeniya based on the Onyx missile system, which is in service, has developed a new sea-based Onyx-M cruise missile with a maximum firing range of 800 km and increased accuracy of destruction. The missile is equipped with an advanced control system that allows you to hit targets with great accuracy, and it also has increased protection against electronic warfare. Tests of the new CD will begin soon.

      Today is just some HOLIDAY !!!! My congratulations to the engineers for this masterpiece. A decent replacement for RCC Volcano has appeared.
      1. bessmertniy
        bessmertniy 25 September 2019 10: 50
        +1
        Nice range. Well get it.
      2. Alex777
        Alex777 25 September 2019 11: 58
        +2
        IMHO she was always like that. No admiral would subscribe to a new missile (instead of the Volcano) with a shorter range than the previous one. And BRAMOS with such a range has long been announced.
        And now they are testing at an even greater range, but what they will not tell us again. And that's okay. Warhead would be bigger for Onyx ...
        Range increase due to more efficient fuel.
        BRAMOS-mini weighs less per ton, and flies at a speed of 3M.
        2,5M single rocket and the Israelis and the British learned to intercept. Provided that she does not do anti-aircraft maneuvers. hi
        1. Name Surname
          Name Surname 25 September 2019 14: 28
          +1
          I have roughly the same opinion. Ours simply did not reveal the real range (300 km were unofficially announced everywhere), or we tested only 300 km so as not to arouse suspicion, and now they will experience a full 800 km!
      3. NEXUS
        NEXUS 25 September 2019 20: 27
        +1
        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        There was a worthy replacement for RCC Volcano.

        Onyx-M is rather a replacement for RCC Granite. But the replacement for Vulcan will be Zircon. hi
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 25 September 2019 22: 25
          +1
          Perhaps you are right. Granite - P-700, Onyx - P-800, Volcano - P-1000.
          If we proceed from the index as the flight range (which suits both Granite and Vulcan) - it still turns out that Onyx initially has a range of 800 km. hi
  2. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 25 September 2019 10: 18
    -7
    A jump in the range from 300 to 800 km with the same mass and length?
    It’s hard to justify it. Unless, most of the flight was transferred to subsonic speed.
    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 25 September 2019 10: 26
      +21
      From which 300 km? 300 km is it exported due to the fact that more is not possible under the contract. Approximately somewhere from 550 km.
    2. Victor_B
      Victor_B 25 September 2019 10: 26
      +6
      Quote: voyaka uh
      A jump in the range from 300 to 800 km with the same mass and length?

      This is at Yakhont. The export name of castrated Onyx.
    3. KCA
      KCA 25 September 2019 10: 28
      +12
      There has never been any official data about the range of the Onyx, and the 300 km range of the Yakhont is an export option, therefore the range is limited
    4. Livonetc
      Livonetc 25 September 2019 10: 29
      +5
      Probably.
      The range is certainly serious.
      In pursuit of assumptions.
      The use of new lightweight materials.
      Decrease in weight and dimensions of airborne equipment.
      Application of a new, more efficient engine.
      The use of a new coating that reduces air resistance.
      Assumptions can be continued.
      The developer has real knowledge of the answers.
      1. Sky strike fighter
        Sky strike fighter 25 September 2019 18: 39
        +1
        Quote: Livonetc
        Probably.
        The range is certainly serious.
        In pursuit of assumptions.
        The use of new lightweight materials.
        Decrease in weight and dimensions of airborne equipment.
        Application of a new, more efficient engine.
        The use of a new coating that reduces air resistance.
        Assumptions can be continued.
        The developer has real knowledge of the answers.

        Here is the information on RCC Onyx-M.
        Flight tests "Onyx-M" will begin in the next month or two, - said the source. He added that like the old Onyx, its upgraded version can carry conventional or nuclear warheads. The maximum speed and weight and dimensions remain the same.
        The cruise missile "Onyx" was created as a universal weapon for the Navy with the ability to be deployed on surface ships of various classes, submarines and naval aircraft. The advantages of the complex are over-the-horizon firing range, fire-and-forget operation, high supersonic speed (M 2-2,6) in all flight phases, a set of flexible trajectories, stealth for radars and resistance to interference.
        The maximum flight range of the Onyx anti-ship missile system is 600 kilometers (the export version of the Yakhont is 300 kilometers).

        https://rg.ru/2019/09/25/rossiia-uvelichila-dalnost-morskoj-iadernoj-rakety.html
    5. Avior
      Avior 25 September 2019 10: 56
      +5
      flight profile changed, for example
      increased the height of the plot ....
      also mixed Onyx with Yakhont
      Range: P-800 Onyx up to 600 km. [11] [12]

      they indicated a new range for Onyx, and the old one for Yakhont, that’s the whole misunderstanding
      1. Sky strike fighter
        Sky strike fighter 25 September 2019 11: 26
        +2
        Quote: Avior
        flight profile changed, for example
        increased the height of the plot ....
        also mixed Onyx with Yakhont
        Range: P-800 Onyx up to 600 km. [11] [12]

        they indicated a new range for Onyx, and the old one for Yakhont, that’s the whole misunderstanding

        It turns out that RCC Onyx is up to 600 km, and RCC Onyx-M is up to 800 km.
        1. bayard
          bayard 25 September 2019 18: 45
          +2
          Quote: Sky Strike fighter
          It turns out that RCC Onyx is up to 600 km, and RCC Onyx-M is up to 800 km.

          This is thanks to the new fuel - higher in calories. Its (new fuel) use has been discussed for several years, and specifically in relation to the modernization of the Onyx CD. And even about the estimated range of the new modification - 800 km ..
    6. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 25 September 2019 11: 01
      +7
      Quote: voyaka uh
      It’s hard to justify it.

      laughing laughing laughing Well, it happens, come to terms. yes
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 25 September 2019 11: 09
        -7
        As it is written: "tests will begin soon."
        Then it will become clear - 300, 500 or 800 km wink
        1. Sky strike fighter
          Sky strike fighter 25 September 2019 12: 05
          +1
          Quote: voyaka uh
          As it is written: "tests will begin soon."
          Then it will become clear - 300, 500 or 800 km wink


          And now everything is already visible.

          The Russian military-industrial corporation NPO Mashinostroeniya has developed the Onyx-M sea-based cruise missile with a maximum firing range of up to 800 km and increased accuracy of hitting sea and ground targets. On Wednesday, September 25, according to TASS, citing sources in the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation.

          According to the interlocutor of the agency, the new missile was developed on the basis of the Onyx cruise missile in service. Missile flight tests will begin in the coming months.


          The source said that "the missile is equipped with an advanced control system and will be able to hit both sea and ground targets with greater accuracy."




          According to the manufacturer, the maximum firing range "Onyx" in the export version (rocket "Yakhont") today is 300 km. The maximum speed of the rocket is 2,5 speeds of sound at high altitude, the mass of a conventional warhead is 250 kg.

          http://in24.org/technology/37359
    7. Piramidon
      Piramidon 25 September 2019 11: 15
      +2
      Quote: voyaka uh
      A jump in the range from 300 to 800 km with the same mass and length?
      It’s hard to justify it.

      Take the trouble to find the difference between "for yourself" - "Onyx" and for export - "Yakhont"
    8. Xenofont
      Xenofont 25 September 2019 11: 53
      0
      Export Yakhont.
    9. g1v2
      g1v2 25 September 2019 15: 06
      0
      300 km is export. The range for their sun was 500 km. Perhaps specially limited. Under the agreement on medium- and short-range missiles, ground-based missiles of 500 km or less could not be developed and deployed. And onyx is placed on the ground Bastion. Now both parties have refused the contract and the missile can be further developed in range. request
    10. NEXUS
      NEXUS 25 September 2019 20: 29
      0
      Quote: voyaka uh
      A jump in the range from 300 to 800 km with the same mass and length?

      Yakhont (export Onyx) hits on 300 km, and Onyx on 550 km.
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Unless, most of the flight was transferred to subsonic speed.

      They rather facilitated and created a new fuel. Perhaps dvigun sorted out.
      1. Sergey Kazarinov
        Sergey Kazarinov April 2 2020 17: 25
        0
        SPVRD at subsonic speeds is ineffective
    11. regulus
      regulus 25 September 2019 23: 53
      -3
      I support. And how will it be induced at 800 km? Like Pelevin, legless astronauts ?!
      1. Mestny
        Mestny 26 September 2019 14: 43
        -3
        Of course not.
        Instead of electronics, the brains of domestic skakuases, fighters with the regime and lovers of the United States will be planted there.
        Such brains are not capable of normal activity, but here, in the simplest case, completely. At least some benefit.
        1. regulus
          regulus 27 September 2019 01: 39
          0
          Legless astronauts are cheaper. And the women still give birth. (with)
      2. Sergey Kazarinov
        Sergey Kazarinov April 2 2020 17: 35
        0
        Just figure it out. Let's assume the ARGS range is about 100 km. There is a built-in passive channel. The marching section flies by in about 13 minutes. Well, how much the target can get away from the aiming point during this time - approximately at the target speed with a normal move of 18 knots. - for 13 (2 cab / min) = 26 cab ~ 5 km. Target designation from the MKRTs type system (for example, "Liana")
  3. igorspb
    igorspb 25 September 2019 10: 28
    0
    More cruise missiles and different ...
  4. xb;
    xb; 25 September 2019 10: 37
    -17
    Another reason to rejoice at spending money. Two rockets, the year of the clinic.
    1. Kalmar
      Kalmar 25 September 2019 11: 17
      -1
      Quote: xb;
      Another reason to rejoice at spending money. Two rockets, the year of the clinic.

      The missile is terrifying to the likely enemy! But the clinic - no, because the probable enemy has never been there. Although, it would be possible for the amersky adversaries to arrange a tour of health care institutions in the Russian provinces, so that they know - there are things worse than "Onyx")
      1. NordOst16
        NordOst16 25 September 2019 12: 43
        -14
        Missile class "land-Syzran"))) Here is a new way to contain the enemy)))
      2. meandr51
        meandr51 25 September 2019 13: 55
        +2
        To you on the health site.
    2. Eduard Egorov
      Eduard Egorov 25 September 2019 12: 45
      +4
      When they come to you as in 1941, then you will be at the clinic, and you will remember about onyx missiles. You don’t really want to think with your head, Iraq, Libya, Yugoslavia, Vietnam, Korea, 1941, etc., what does history not teach you at all?
      1. Okolotochny
        Okolotochny 25 September 2019 12: 55
        +3
        This sect is like that. Let them fast.
      2. TARSUS
        TARSUS 25 September 2019 13: 07
        0
        You seriously post this tank, or so for fun?
  5. Maalkavianin
    Maalkavianin 25 September 2019 10: 53
    -5
    Do they even have somewhere in service? And then they are modernizing, but the missiles themselves are sort of like not yet.
    1. Kalmar
      Kalmar 25 September 2019 11: 15
      -1
      Quote: Malkavianin
      Do they even have somewhere in service? And then they are modernizing, but the missiles themselves are sort of like not yet.

      Yes, only their carriers at the moment can be counted on the toes of one foot. We are waiting for the return to service "Nakhimov"))
      1. Maalkavianin
        Maalkavianin 25 September 2019 11: 28
        -1
        Well, if so. But Nakhimov does not count. His 3 more years to wait.
      2. Eduard Egorov
        Eduard Egorov 25 September 2019 12: 51
        +5
        Russia - Onyx Bastion Mobile Coastal Missile System. Project 1234.7 small missile ship - "Roll" KSF Navy of the Russian Federation. Small missile ships of project 21631 "Buyan-M" - three missile defense systems as part of the Caspian flotilla, two as part of the Black Sea fleet. MPLATKR project 885 "Ash." PLARK project 949A Antey - in the future. Heavy nuclear missile cruiser Admiral Nakhimov. During the ongoing repairs, instead of the previously installed anti-ship missiles P-700 Granit, anti-ship missiles P-800 Onyx were installed. Launching is scheduled for 2018 [28]. According to unconfirmed reports, a similar upgrade will be the rest of the cruisers of the project 1144.

        How many toes on one leg you have not spared.
        1. Kalmar
          Kalmar 25 September 2019 13: 08
          -1
          Quote: Eduard Egorov
          How many toes on one leg you have not spared.

          Yes, I got excited, a couple of fingers from the second leg will have to be connected)
          Media with the prospect of modernization is not yet inclined to consider: these are all matters of the distant and uncertain future.
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 25 September 2019 11: 29
      +3
      Quote: Malkavianin
      And then they upgrade, but the missiles themselves sort of and not yet.

      So no, or "sort of" not? If "sort of like", then this is from the series - manure on the fan. 3 years ago it was used in Syria for barmaley.
      In service
      Mobile coastal missile system "Bastion".
      Project 1234.7 Small Rocket Ship
      Small missile ships of project 21631 Buyan-M
      MPLATKR project 885 "Ash."
  6. novel66
    novel66 25 September 2019 10: 54
    +2
    and who will carry out target designation?
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 25 September 2019 11: 18
      -2
      Quote: novel xnumx
      and who will carry out target designation?

      Maybe the A-50? Hi Roman hi
      1. novel66
        novel66 25 September 2019 12: 13
        -2
        great, earrings !! hi and in wartime ??
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 25 September 2019 12: 56
          +3
          Quote: novel xnumx
          and in wartime ??

          Do you plan to use the A-50 in wartime? Yes, and satellites, too.
          1. novel66
            novel66 25 September 2019 13: 14
            0
            my fear that the probable enemy will have an advantage in the air, and the A-50 will not come off much from its covering forces
            1. Piramidon
              Piramidon 25 September 2019 13: 35
              +1
              Quote: novel xnumx
              my fear that the probable enemy will have an advantage in the air, and the A-50 will not come off much from its covering forces

              Roman, well, why would he fly somewhere to the shores of the United States? The main thing is to ensure the defense of their borders and to give target designation to anti-ship means, if suddenly, with a fool, the adversaries decide to fall on our coast with their ACG. They are, of course, dumb, but not so much.
    2. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 25 September 2019 11: 30
      +5
      And the Caliber of the Kyrgyz Republic (1500 km) or the RCC Volcano (1000 km), who carried out target designation? No? And I don’t see. But he is.
      1. novel66
        novel66 25 September 2019 12: 13
        +1
        I don’t know who, I’m asking
      2. kjhg
        kjhg 25 September 2019 12: 35
        +4
        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        And the Caliber of the Kyrgyz Republic (1500 km) or the RCC Volcano (1000 km), who carried out target designation?

        Do not confuse warm with soft. The caliber for 1500 km flies only on stationary ground targets with coordinates entered into the flight mission in advance. Anti-ship Caliber flies no further than 300 km. For target designation of Volcanoes and Granites in the USSR there was a specialized satellite constellation Liana. With the collapse of the USSR, this system has sunk into the summer. There were plans to create a new similar system, but no money was found.
        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        See the gopher? No? And I don’t see. But he is.

        Maybe you just have hallucinations?
        1. Sky strike fighter
          Sky strike fighter 25 September 2019 12: 54
          0
          Quote: kjhg
          Quote: Sky Strike fighter
          And the Caliber of the Kyrgyz Republic (1500 km) or the RCC Volcano (1000 km), who carried out target designation?

          Do not confuse warm with soft. The caliber for 1500 km flies only on stationary ground targets with coordinates entered into the flight mission in advance. Anti-ship Caliber flies no further than 300 km. For target designation of Volcanoes and Granites in the USSR there was a specialized satellite constellation Liana. With the collapse of the USSR, this system has sunk into the summer. There were plans to create a new similar system, but no money was found.
          Quote: Sky Strike fighter
          See the gopher? No? And I don’t see. But he is.

          Maybe you just have hallucinations?

          RCC Caliber flies about 375 km. For designation information below.
          By January 1, all space satellites will be launched into orbit.

          The formation in near-earth orbit of the unique Liana radar reconnaissance system (RLR), which will cover the entire planet, will be completed this year. According to the Ministry of Defense, until January 1, 2020, launches of two satellites are planned, after which the system will work at full capacity. Putting Liana in operation will allow the Russian General Staff to observe even small objects around the world.

          The Liana radar reconnaissance system should consist of four satellites - two Lotos-S and two Pionov-NKS. It is based on the achievements of the system of marine space reconnaissance and target designation "Legend", which was created back in the 1970s.

          https://tehnowar.ru/104543-k-koncu-goda-rossija-oputaet-lianoj-vsju-zemlju.html
          1. TARSUS
            TARSUS 25 September 2019 13: 11
            +1
            That is, a fact, Russia now does not have a principle-giving system for targeting over long distances?
            1. meandr51
              meandr51 25 September 2019 14: 00
              0
              There are separate satellites, there are distant drones, there is a Tu-142MP.
        2. Name Surname
          Name Surname 25 September 2019 14: 33
          +2
          Soviet system Well Legend called
          1. kjhg
            kjhg 25 September 2019 15: 29
            0
            Right, legend. Wrong feel
      3. TARSUS
        TARSUS 25 September 2019 13: 08
        0
        Nakoy give target designation for a stationary target?
      4. NEXUS
        NEXUS 25 September 2019 20: 40
        +1
        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        A KR Caliber (1500 km) or RCC Volcano (1000 km) who carried out target designation

        Well, confuse God's gift with scrambled eggs. KR Caliber worked for GROUND (stationary) purposes, and RCC Volcano works for marine MOVING goals.
        The caliber performed by the anti-ship missile hits only at 300 km.
        What I mean is that target designation of missiles for stationary ground targets is not at all the same as target designation on-line (so that the RCC could correct the flight taking into account the movement of the target).
  7. rocket757
    rocket757 25 September 2019 10: 57
    +1
    Just a weapon that is being improved ... not only with us, by the way!
  8. alexmach
    alexmach 25 September 2019 11: 04
    0
    Still need an aviation version.
  9. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 25 September 2019 11: 07
    +4
    Quote: Ingenegr
    If "friends" do not have something, it means that they do not really need it.

    Everyone needs good things. But not everyone has the opportunity to have them.
  10. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 25 September 2019 11: 22
    +2
    Quote: xb;
    Another reason to rejoice at spending money. Two rockets, the year of the clinic.

    And a hundred years of the undertaker's work. Without all this, you would have lived (lived) in a VERY big Yugoslavia.
  11. Sergei 777
    Sergei 777 25 September 2019 11: 24
    +2
    Earlier it was reported that the maximum firing range of "Onyx" (Yakhont) is 300 km.

    Yahont is an export version of Onyx, a range of 300 km.
    But Onyx itself for the RF Armed Forces has a range of 600 km.
  12. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 25 September 2019 11: 27
    +1
    Quote: voyaka uh
    A jump in the range from 300 to 800 km with the same mass and length?
    It’s hard to justify it. Unless, most of the flight was transferred to subsonic speed.

    Not with 300. With 600. Yakhont is a circumcised Onyx. Export. And for ourselves, we are doing a little bit wrong.
  13. kapitan281271
    kapitan281271 25 September 2019 12: 10
    +1
    I’m not an expert, it’s just an interesting topic, I’ve read in many articles that the problem of using such anti-ship missiles lies in the target designation system, something is being done in this area or not, who would like to know an opinion on the topic.
  14. amr
    amr 25 September 2019 12: 16
    +1
    Quote: Lipchanin
    Are you talking about the outskirts?

    God, what do you put them among equal enemies ???
  15. Operator
    Operator 25 September 2019 12: 18
    +2
    Quote: novel xnumx
    and who will carry out target designation?

    ZGRLS "Container" - the photo shows the air target detection range (R = 3000 km), the detection radius of surface targets with a length of 100 meters or more is 6000 km

    1. TARSUS
      TARSUS 25 September 2019 13: 15
      -1
      Has no analogues in the world?
      1. Operator
        Operator 25 September 2019 13: 20
        -2
        The ZGRLS also includes Russian Sunflowers (400 km radius) and Chinese radars (with an unknown name) installed on reclaimed islands in the South China Sea.
        1. Bongo
          Bongo 25 September 2019 15: 34
          +1
          Quote: Operator
          The ZGRLS also includes Russian Sunflowers (400 km radius) and Chinese radars (with an unknown name) installed on reclaimed islands in the South China Sea.

          There are no such radars on alluvial islands for a simple reason - the area of ​​the islands is too small.
          1. Operator
            Operator 25 September 2019 17: 01
            -3
            On the Chinese alluvial islands there are full-fledged runways (1 km or more in length), so it is quite possible to place something like "Podsolnukh-E" on them.
            1. Bongo
              Bongo 26 September 2019 00: 22
              +2
              Quote: Operator
              On the Chinese alluvial islands there are full-fledged runways (1 km or more in length), so it is quite possible to place something like "Podsolnukh-E" on them.

              Andrei, so as not to be unfounded, tell me on which particular alluvial island is the ZGRLS located? And get it over with.
              1. Operator
                Operator 26 September 2019 01: 13
                -3
                There was a satellite image on the Internet of one of the alluvial islands with distinguishable ZGRLS structures - I can find it, lay it out.
                1. Operator
                  Operator 26 September 2019 01: 19
                  -3
                  So far, three space images of the ZGRLS located on the mainland of China - https://aftershock.news/?q=node/573962&full
                2. Bongo
                  Bongo 26 September 2019 06: 48
                  +2
                  Quote: Operator
                  There was a satellite image on the Internet of one of the alluvial islands with distinguishable ZGRLS structures - I can find it, lay it out.

                  It is very difficult to find something that does not exist No.
                  Maybe this will help you?
                  https://topwar.ru/161368-usilenie-voennoe-prisutstvija-knr-v-juzhno-kitajskom-more-putem-vozvedenija-iskustvennyh-ostrovov.html
                  wink
    2. TARSUS
      TARSUS 25 September 2019 13: 19
      -1
      Something I have not heard anywhere that this system is capable of tracking surface targets. Can you give out the wishful thinking?
      1. Operator
        Operator 25 September 2019 14: 41
        0
        See performance characteristics of a similar ZGRLS "Sunflower" of lower power.
    3. Name Surname
      Name Surname 25 September 2019 14: 36
      +1
      It’s 2-coordinate, although it’s probably not a hindrance for guidance on surface targets ...
  16. kventinasd
    kventinasd 25 September 2019 13: 17
    0
    Great news. With such missiles, the entire Black Sea is shot through right down to the Mediterranean and the whole Baltic through and through.
  17. snc
    snc 25 September 2019 13: 29
    0
    Now it became completely clear how the Indians created Bramos with increased range))
    Only here there are few carriers, however, as well as the fleet as a whole and with the target designation of the problem.
  18. Kaw
    Kaw 25 September 2019 16: 42
    0
    At the same time, no one knows what this missile had a range from the beginning.
  19. Old26
    Old26 25 September 2019 17: 32
    +3
    Earlier it was reported that the maximum firing range of "Onyx" (Yakhont) is 300 km.

    This is the range of the Onyx export modification. According to the same Shoigu, after testing the "onyx" against ground targets, the range on ships at "Onyx" is 600 km, along the coast - 640

    Quote: Sky Strike fighter
    Today is just some HOLIDAY !!!! My congratulations to the engineers for this masterpiece A worthy replacement of the RCC Volcano has appeared.

    Has appeared. But the question with target designation how will it be solved?

    Quote: bessmertniy
    Nice range. Well get it.

    The main thing is to get ...

    Quote: Edward Egorov
    Russia - Onyx Bastion Mobile Coastal Missile System. Project 1234.7 small missile ship - "Roll" KSF Navy of the Russian Federation. Small missile ships of project 21631 "Buyan-M" - three missile defense systems as part of the Caspian flotilla, two as part of the Black Sea fleet. MPLATKR project 885 "Ash." PLARK project 949A Antey - in the future. Heavy nuclear missile cruiser Admiral Nakhimov. During the ongoing repairs, instead of the previously installed anti-ship missiles P-700 Granit, anti-ship missiles P-800 Onyx were installed. Launching is scheduled for 2018 [28]. According to unconfirmed reports, a similar upgrade will be the rest of the cruisers of the project 1144.

    How many toes on one leg you have not spared.

    But in fact there is:
    • complex "Bastion"
    • MRK "Nakat" in the amount of 1 piece (test ship)
    • Project 885 boat in the amount of 1 pieces (by the end of the year in the amount of 2 pieces)
    Everything else is in perspective. "Nakhimov", "Antei".
    MRK of the Buyan-M type has never fired an Onyx, although they claim that it is possible.
    In fact, now only the Bastion complex is the bearers of the Onyxes. Everything else in perspective

    Quote: Sky Strike fighter
    And the Caliber of the Kyrgyz Republic (1500 km) or the RCC Volcano (1000 km), who carried out target designation? No? And I don’t see. But he is.

    Target designation for the "Caliber" 3M14 is not needed. She is guided by an electronic map of the terrain and the task of the rocket is to get into the next correction square
    "Vulcan" is now essentially no one to carry out target designation. "Legend" is a thing of the past, "Liana" NOT WORKABLE.

    Quote: Sky Strike fighter
    The formation in near-earth orbit of the unique Liana radar reconnaissance system (RLR), which will cover the entire planet, will be completed this year.

    Blessed is he who believes. The EMNIP complex consists of 4 "Lotos" satellites and 1 "Pion" satellite. Now in orbit 3 "Lotus" launched in 2014, 2016, 2018. How long will the Lotus (№802), launched in 2014, still work - no one knows. I have not yet come across data on the duration of the operation time (although, to be honest, I did not look too much). "Peony" has already been launched from 2016-2017, each time postponing for a year. In the promising list of launches for this year, Pion will be tentatively launched in the 4th quarter (but the month is unknown). There is absolutely no information about the launch of another "Lotus". At least TWO complexes will be able to cover the entire territory of the globe, that is, it is necessary to have 8 "Lotuses" and 2 "Peonies", which certainly will not be in 2019

    Quote: Sky Strike fighter
    The Liana radar reconnaissance system should consist of four satellites - two Lotos-S and two Pionov-NKS. It is based on the achievements of the system of marine space reconnaissance and target designation "Legend", which was created back in the 1970s.

    In fact, the system consists of 4 "Lotuses" and 1 "Peony", In a truncated version -! "Peony" and 2 "Lotus".

    Quote: TARS
    That is, a fact, Russia now does not have a principle-giving system for targeting over long distances?

    De facto, no. There are separate components, but no system structure
  20. Old26
    Old26 25 September 2019 19: 49
    +2
    Quote: bayard
    This is thanks to the new fuel - higher in calories. Its (new fuel) use has been discussed for several years, and specifically in relation to the modernization of the Onyx CD. And even about the estimated range of the new modification - 800 km ..

    This is the only reasonable option to explain the increase in range while maintaining the mass-overall dimensions of the rocket. Of course, it would be possible to reduce the GB, but this would reduce the tactical niche where this missile could be used.
  21. Yavlampy Pafnutich
    Yavlampy Pafnutich 26 September 2019 03: 03
    +1
    Garna "oscilloscope arrow" to our potential partners. This vitamin is not bad at all.
  22. abc_alex
    abc_alex 26 September 2019 09: 04
    0


    NPO Mashinostroyenia on the basis of the Onyx cruise missile in service has developed a new sea-based cruise missile Onyx-M with a maximum firing range of 800 km and increased accuracy.



    Well, now the re-equipment of the fleet from "Granite" to "Onyx" no longer gives the impression of cutting off arms.
  23. Old26
    Old26 26 September 2019 10: 21
    +2
    Quote: abc_alex
    Well, now the re-equipment of the fleet from "Granite" to "Onyx" no longer gives the impression of cutting off arms.

    "Onyx-M" is not yet in service. The tests will just begin in the near future. And besides this, it is necessary to take effective measures to develop target designation systems. Otherwise, all these 800 km will simply be meaningless.
  24. Operator
    Operator 26 September 2019 11: 54
    0
    Quote: Bongo
    It is very difficult to find something that does not exist

    Catch the "nonexistent"

    1. Operator
      Operator 26 September 2019 12: 02
      0
      More space image

      1. Bongo
        Bongo 27 September 2019 10: 39
        +2
        Andrei, but instead of using dubious sources, fitting your fantasies into low-quality images and providing photos for some reason, you cannot find this island yourself?

        However, it’s not difficult for me, I can do it myself. Where is ZGRLS, show with an arrow?
        1. Operator
          Operator 27 September 2019 11: 08
          -2
          Google Maps to the rescue.

          Do you really expect a freebie to get from me photos of ZGRLS built on the Chinese islands? laughing
          1. Bongo
            Bongo 27 September 2019 12: 02
            +2
            Quote: Operator
            Do you really expect a freebie to get from me photos of ZGRLS built on the Chinese islands?

            For some reason, I am not surprised by such an answer from a person who has a reputation as a dreamer on the site.
            Quote: Operator
            Google Maps to the rescue.

            All the coordinates of the current ZGRLS are known, but it is impossible to find something that does not exist in nature.
            1. Operator
              Operator 27 September 2019 12: 09
              -2
              You at VO have a reputation as a historian - and delve into historical information lagging behind reality for 10 or more years.
              1. Bongo
                Bongo 27 September 2019 12: 11
                +4
                Quote: Operator
                You at VO have a reputation as a historian - and delve into historical information lagging behind reality for 10 or more years.

                At least no one wrote to me that I was inadequate. I also have a driver’s license and the right to bear arms. And you? wink
                1. Ruslan67
                  Ruslan67 28 September 2019 02: 40
                  +2
                  Quote: Bongo
                  I also have a driver’s license and the right to bear arms. And you?

                  Membership card of DOSSAF, Service Dog Club, and DSO Dynamo Will you take the company? recourse drinks
                  1. Bongo
                    Bongo 28 September 2019 02: 43
                    0
                    Quote: Ruslan67
                    Membership card of DOSSAF, Service Dog Club, and DSO Dynamo Will you take the company?

                    Hello! Do you doubt it? I just need a partner for the bear. wink
                    1. Ruslan67
                      Ruslan67 28 September 2019 02: 50
                      +1
                      Quote: Bongo
                      I just need a partner for the bear.

                      Is that how Winnie and Piglet went to the swamp to post a pig? belay laughing
                      Seriously, I would love to fellow Only a crutch and a plate under the knee interfere sad
                      1. Bongo
                        Bongo 28 September 2019 02: 54
                        +2
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Is that how Winnie and Piglet went to the swamp to post a pig? belay

                        lol good
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Seriously, I would love to fellow. Only a crutch and a plate under the knee interfere.

                        Damn, that's so serious ... sad I’m not only running through the woods, but also running around the girls.
                        Well, can you go fishing?
                      2. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 28 September 2019 03: 03
                        +1
                        Quote: Bongo
                        I’m not only running through the woods, but also running around the girls.

                        If I run, then the girl herself will meet me ... with a scythe wassat
                        Quote: Bongo
                        can you go fishing?

                        I'm going with my grandson next week to take a walk to the nearest bridge. There may eel go from Ladoga. But all of the weather request
                        Quote: Bongo
                        that everything is so serious ..

                        Danced tango with a jubilee yes Well didn’t kill her with his carcass fool Now Vraden’s home is his own. In March, remove the plate ...
  25. Pavlov Sergey Alexandrovich
    Pavlov Sergey Alexandrovich 26 September 2019 14: 41
    -2
    Quote: Pavlov Sergey Alexandrovich
    You my friend have long walked out of the basement then on the street ?? Take an interest in what is produced from the elemental base and what is not. If thermal imagers on bolometers have also been mastered and have been producing for several years, plus we also make microprocessors for industry and defense. Of course, we are far from those 10 nm processes, but 65nm production was mastered in our territory. And a lot of things already. And do not forget about the phased development of any types of weapons, they are also far from our SCRC as we are from their stealth technologies, because both there and there are half a century of developments that are not so easy to catch up with.
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    1. zyablik.olga
      zyablik.olga 27 September 2019 13: 17
      0
      Quote: Operator
      You are an adequate Russophobe

      You write this to a person with 25 years of service experience. And I immediately remembered that they answered you about similar statements:
      Quote: spektr9
      In psychiatry there is such a diagnosis of paranoid schizophrenia ... There is one of the symptoms, a person sees something that is not there, and most importantly it haunts him everywhere. And here, no one sees Russophobia in the lines, but you see ...
      1. Operator
        Operator 27 September 2019 13: 23
        0
        I do not see, but I read - Bongo's comments about the inadequacy of the statement of the Supreme Command of the RF Armed Forces about the Poseidon NPA.
        1. zyablik.olga
          zyablik.olga 27 September 2019 15: 06
          +1
          Quote: Operator
          I do not see, but I read - Bongo's comments about the inadequacy of the statement of the Supreme Command of the RF Armed Forces about the Poseidon NPA.

          Who would judge the adequacy, but clearly not the Operator. wassat
          1. Operator
            Operator 27 September 2019 15: 54
            -2
            Who would argue-the Jews to judge the adequacy of Russian handier laughing
            1. zyablik.olga
              zyablik.olga 28 September 2019 01: 40
              +1
              Quote: Operator
              Who would argue-the Jews to judge the adequacy of Russian handier laughing

              And after that, are you adequate? No. negative
              It makes no difference to me what nationality a person is, the main thing is what he is.
            2. Bongo
              Bongo 28 September 2019 02: 41
              +2
              Quote: Operator
              Who would argue-the Jews to judge the adequacy of Russian handier

              But for this you can get a ban. How many warnings do you have "for inciting ethnic hatred"?
              As for the "Jews", I report: the ancestors of my paternal grandfather moved to the Amur Region from Ukraine in the 19th century. A grandmother from the European north, and in her veins there was a bit of Karelian blood. The maternal grandfather was born near Penza, the grandmother in the Volga region. Olya's parents came to the Far East from Belarus.
              Among our good friends there are people of various nationalities: immigrants from Georgia, Azerbaijan, Tajikistan, as well as Nanai, Koreans, and imagine, even Jews. And this doesn’t stop us all from communicating normally. Since xenophobia is most often a sign of mental disorders.
        2. Bongo
          Bongo 28 September 2019 02: 22
          0
          Quote: Operator
          I do not see, but I read - Bongo's comments about the inadequacy of the statement of the Supreme Command of the RF Armed Forces about the Poseidon NPA.

          Andrey, can you quote my comments about Poseidon?
  27. Ingenegr
    Ingenegr 12 December 2019 19: 21
    -2
    Quote: Pavlov Sergey Alexandrovich
    If thermal imagers on bolometers have also mastered and have been producing for several years

    What specific products are modules with Russian microbolometric matrices? And where is this, apparently, top-secret domestic production?
    Do not confuse the production of bolometric matrices with the production of OLED microdisplays, which is really available in Russia. True, all the technology and equipment come from South Korea. But this is better than nothing.