Knightly and non-knightly armor of the Vienna Imperial Arsenal

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Gathering after them weapon and removing the armor from the enemies ...
Second Book of Maccabees 8: 27)


Military museums of Europe. We continue to familiarize ourselves with the collection of armor and weapons exhibited in Vienna imperial arsenal, and today we will again have the armor of the "sunset era". That is, those that appeared after the 1500 year. But this time we will get to know the full armor (mainly) and only partly with the military ones, those that replaced the armor of the knights. Well, the sunset in the development of armor and armor craft came when they reached maximum perfection. That's just the sense of this perfection has become a little. The bullets of muskets, cores and buckshot did not leave the chivalry a chance of survival. After all, all knightly science was built around knightly weapons — and the spear and sword were considered the most important weapons in the knight’s arsenal. But the five-meter peaks of the Swiss and Landsknechts turned out to be longer than the king’s copies, and the rider to cut through them with a sword was also something of a fantasy. Another thing is that you could shoot these foot soldiers with pistols and arquebuses. But ... such tactics immediately changed all the requirements presented to the cavalryman. Now he might not be a virtuoso. It was enough to stay on the saddle, ride the battlefield and somehow shoot at the enemy on command. But such warriors could be recruited for a much lower fee than the detachment of knight-spearmen. And if so, then the knights very quickly replaced the armor again on the battlefields, yes, the armor could still serve, but these riders were no longer knights - they did not have lands and castles, they did not fight at tournaments, and they had armor, like weapons, not your own. They were given all this along with a salary.




Ceremonial armor of Archduke Ferdinand II of Tyrol (1529-1595). They were made on the occasion of the wedding of Archduke Ferdinand II with Anna Katerina Gonzaga in the 1582 year (depicted in the "Wedding Code" by Ferdinand II (inventory no: KK_5270). Recorded in the inventory book of the Ambras castle (1596). The open burginot helmet is decorated with a dragon and covered from the inside with an original lining of red satin. Shoulders in the form of hammered lion heads that are gilded. There are decorative elements of Roman armor. In these armors, Archduke Ferdinand could imagine himself, say, a hero of the Trojan War, or even the legendary ancestor elem Rome Eneem Master origin: Jakob Topf (1573 - 1597 gg Innsbruck.) Materials and technology.:. "white metal", etching, gold plating, black, copper, velvet, satin, silver brocades

Fashion Armor


The commanders - those, yes, came from nobles, belonged to the old feudal nobility and could afford to purchase armor made to order. However, they began to differ greatly constructively from the armor of the previous time. So, already in the 1550 year there are cuirasses with separate leg gaiters to the knees. The breastplate of the cuirass was lengthened and turned into a “goose belly” (what can you do, fashion is fashion!), Although on many armors the waist remained at the lumbar level.


Typical ceremonial armor with a round shield for the performance of the court service.


Around the 1580 of the year, rounded flaps appeared, all because they began to wear short, but roundish in shape and, in addition, tough pants. “Antique armor” appears, with relief muscles on the cuirass, but they did not last long (although they left the memory by themselves in museums!), And already disappeared around 1590.


The easiest way was to gilt the armor! Here, for example, is the armor of the emperor Maximilian I. (1459 - 1519 gg.), Made by the armor Francesco da Merate (1480 - 1508 gg.). Material: iron, gold leaf, brass, leather. Height 184 cm. Armor weight - 34,6 kg. Front view



The same armor is a rear view. By the way, we see typical Milanese armor of the late XV - early XVI century.


"Iron suits"


Interestingly, everything in the same 16th century saw a very funny transformation of knightly armor into ... ceremonial clothing of the feudal nobility. Now in armor they began to flaunt not only at tournaments, but also in palaces. At the door of the royal chambers stood guard in armor and with round shields in their hands, which had already lost all meaning, but very beautiful armor became a means of capitalization, in a word, they completely lost their practical significance at that time. By the way, in the same Japan, this process was late for exactly 100 years. The Battle of Sekigahara in 1600 became the boundary between old and new Japan, where armor became a kind of formal attire for ceremonies in the shogun's palace.


Half-armor of the great Lithuanian Marshal, Prince Nicholas IV Radziwill, nicknamed Cherny, 1555 g. Made by master Kunz Lochner (1510-1567 gg.)



And now let's look at the photo of this armor from the Vienna Armory, and get acquainted with it in more detail. They were made by the Nuremberg plattner Kunz Lochner, one of the most famous masters of this large German center for the production of weapons in the middle of the XVI century, and made two armors with very similar finishes. One of them came to the Polish king Sigismund II Augustus (1520-1572), the last king Jagiellon, and is now exhibited in the Armory in Stockholm. Another was made for Nicholas IV, Black Radziwill. The entire surface of the armor was adorned by an unknown engraving artist, who covered it with an extremely colorful ornament with gilding and black and red enamel. The pattern covers the armor like a carpet. This armor could serve as a field, tournament and ceremonial at the same time, and it surpasses the wealth of decoration of the armor of King Sigismund II Augustus not only with a wealth of coloristic details, but also with a large number of figures. This circumstance probably reflects the real relations between the authorities in Poland, since Nicholas IV Radziwill, who is called Black, was the Duke of Neswez and Olik, Prince of the Empire, Grand Chancellor and Marshal of Lithuania, Governor Vilna and so on and so forth. That is, it was a very powerful tycoon in Poland. His armor was displayed in Ambras, but there they were often confused with the armor of Nicholas Christoph Radziwill (1549-1616), the son of Nicholas IV. Details of this armor currently in Paris and New York were probably lost during the Napoleonic Wars. Exhibited in room number 3. Material: Etched Iron, Leather, Velvet

That is, the main function now became the ceremonial function of knightly armor. A spear hook disappeared on them, and even the holes for its fastening ceased to be made. The armor was now only symmetrical, since the protective asymmetry was no longer needed and, of course, the armor now began to decorate exceptionally richly!


I like such armor “in faces”, especially if the face is made very well. Before us is the armor of Philip II. Emperor Charles V ordered it in 1544 as part of the magnificent “Great Headset” for his son Philip II of Spain. The armor was made by the master Desiderius Helmschmidt and the Augsburg engraver Ulrich Holtzmann. The armor is very finely decorated with wide black etched longitudinal stripes in the form of a pattern of interwoven curls and foliage, which is accompanied by narrow stripes induced by gold. The date "1544" is engraved on the armor. Known as the husband of Queen Mary Catholic, daughter of Henry VIII. After the abdication of his father in the 1555 year, he became his successor in the Netherlands and Milan, and in the 1556 year he became king of Spain, Naples, Sicily and "both Indies." In 1580, he finally became the king of Portugal. Exhibited armor in the hall №3. Manufacturers: Desiderius Helmschmidt (1513 - 1579 years, Augsburg), Ulrich Holzmann (etching) (in 1534 - 1562 years, Augsburg). Materials and technologies: “white metal”, gilding, etching, black, brass, leather

To his right is a figure in the armor of a cavalryman of a pistol with goose-chest cuirass.

And now they competed not in who would better make the armor in the sense of security, but whose armor would be richer and more elegant, in accordance with the requirements of fashion, decorated. Well, of course, the decor of the armor also went a certain way and also developed.


Similar to the previous armor of Emperor Maximilian II. Unfortunately, neither the name of the master, nor the engraver who created the beautiful blue and gold decoration of this armor is unknown. It is only known that it was made around 1557 of the year. The metal is painted in dark blue, the gold decor is strictly symmetrical. The exquisite black Spanish court costume with a longitudinal golden braid obviously served as a model here. Exhibited in the hall №5

The genesis of decor


So, in 1510-1530 years. the first truly ceremonial “costume armor” appeared with openwork stripes cut through them. From the point of view of protection - it’s generally nonsense - to have through slots on the armor, but through them the red or blue velvet of the under-armored camisole worn under them very beautifully looked through. Correspondingly, corrugated armor is decorated with engraving bands running along the grooves. In 1550, the first armor decorated with coinage was made in Augsburg. Burnished armor comes into fashion. First, bluish, on hot coals, then black, when the metal is burned in hot ash, and finally, brown, introduced by Milanese gunsmiths back in 1530.


Another half-armor with gilded stripes


The easiest way to convert almost any armor in the parade was their gilding. Various methods were used, but the most affordable was gilding with mercury amalgam. Gold was dissolved in mercury, then the details of the armor were coated with the resulting composition and heated. Gold is firmly bonded with the iron, but the mercury vapor is of great danger to those who used this method. By the way, very beautiful gilded armor was again made by the Milanese master Fiigino in the 60 of the 16th century. Another method of gilding was plating: the details of the armor were heated and covered with gold or silver foil, and then smoothed out with a special “ironer”. The result was a solid "gold" coating. Moreover, in Augsburg, the craftsmen used this method already in the 1510 year.


Bourguignot and shield from the headset in the antique style. Made around 1560 of the year in Milan for Ferdinand II of Tyrol. The style of work corresponds to the work of the Milanese gunsmith Lucio Piccino (about 1575 - 1595 gg., Milan). Materials and technologies: polished steel, foil silvering and gilding, gold notch (in the storeroom)


Meanwhile engraving stripes running vertically on the armor in 1560- 1570 years. starting from France become diagonal. And in Italy in the year 1575 has vertical engraved band between which the solid engraved patterned surface. German craftsmen at the same time came up with an interesting way to finish: coat the burnished metal with wax and scratch the pattern on it. The product is then soaked in vinegar and burnishing with refined seats are removed. A light pattern on a dark blue, brown or black background. Which was not too laborious, but beautiful.

Creations of rampant fantasy


The so-called mob was made from a mixture of silver, copper and lead, which was first rubbed into the recesses of the armor and then heated. This technology came to Europe from the East, and was used quite widely, but it was in the 16th century that it began to be used less. But in the same century, and from the very beginning, inlaid techniques spread throughout Europe, and especially in Toledo, Florence and Milan. Also a very simple and seemingly accessible technology. Grooves in the form of patterns are made on the surface of the armor, after which gold, silver or copper wire is driven into them. Then the product heats up, making a strong connection of the wire with the base. The protruding wire could be flushed off, or left protruding above the surface of the metal. This method is called embossed. Now imagine that we have black burnished armor in our hands, which we encrust (this method is also called a “notch”) with gold wire, which forms beautiful patterns on the black surface.


Roman-style armor Francesco Maria I di Giovanni della Rovere, Duke of Urbino (1490 - 1538 gg.) Typical style of the Italian Renaissance. Made by the famous Milanese master armor Filippo Negroli around 1532 year. The helmet is made in the shape of a Moor’s head with curls and naturalistic ears, in which you can even hang earrings. The armor itself - essentially a brigandine - consists of many plates sewn (or riveted) onto or under the fabric, which is why rivets could be seen outside on the surface of expensive fabric. Master-manufacturer: Filippo Negroli (circa 1510 - 1579 gg., Milan)

Further, again, the Italians invented, in addition to cutting a notch, also minted for iron, and starting from the 1580 of the year they began to produce amazingly beautiful minted gold-plated armor, decorated with carving and black. Finally, in 1600 in Milan, armor and shields began to be decorated with large medallions in wreaths of leaves and flowers, but in the medallions they depicted both the exploits of Heracles, and erotic scenes from the Decameron, or even their own portraits (or rather, portraits of customers armor), usually in profile.

The simpler the better!


The armor for the heavy cavalry riders - spearmen, cuirassiers and reitars, which again spread in the middle of the 16th century, was sometimes no easier than knightly armor (it is easier for spearmen!), And sometimes even harder, because they often had additional breastplates for cuirasses protect yourself from bullets with ... "spaced armor." They were also finished, but as simple as possible - they were not polished, but painted with black oil paint, and that was the end of the decoration. Well, in the next era, the riders of the heavy cavalry had only cuirasses left: either black, painted, or polished, metal, although sometimes they were even specially worn under a camisole.


Right after the outbreak of the Thirty Years' War (1618-1648), Archduke Leopold V of Tyrol ordered his armor Hans Jacob Topf of Innsbruck to make this extremely heavy half-armor, which provided him with excellent protection during the siege in Shanzgraben. On it there are traces of bullets: on a helmet, chest and back, which confirms its high protective qualities. But the weight of more than 40 kilograms allowed even a trained person to be in it only for a short time. The exhibit is in the hall №8. Master-manufacturer: Hans Jacob Topf (1605 - 1628 g. Innsbruck). Materials: blue blue iron, gold leaf, leather, black velvet


Similar armor, only with black trim and helmet covered in black cloth



Another armor of a rider of cavalry with a bullet mark, the work of the master Francesco Diodo (1518 - 1592 gg.) Manufactured around 1570 / 1580 gg. Located in the hall №8



By the way, covering the same helmets with cloth has been practiced for a long time. Here is a sallet helmet (salad, schaller) of the mid-15th century, just covered with fabric



In the XVII century, plate armor reached its perfection, because the rider now had to hold a pistol in his hands and shoot from it. Before us are the plate gloves of Emperor Leopold I (1640-1705 gg.)


PS The author and site administration express their heartfelt gratitude to the curators of the Vienna Armory Ilse Jung and Florian Kugler for the opportunity to use her photographs.
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  1. +4
    30 September 2019 05: 41
    Handsomely !
    "..the shining of these copper caps, shot through and through in battle ..." In this case, of course, not pierced.
    And why are there no mentioned scenes from the Decameron? Nobody will believe you now wink
  2. +4
    30 September 2019 06: 24
    With great interest I follow how the knightly treasures of the Vienna arsenal are revealed.
    The author sincerely thanks!
    1. +6
      30 September 2019 06: 49
      There will be more materials ... Now I can’t even say how much ...
      1. +4
        30 September 2019 07: 03
        The main thing that will be. And God will give more.
        I join, thanks Vyacheslav Olegovich hi
  3. +3
    30 September 2019 06: 47
    Quote: Tlauicol
    And why are there no mentioned scenes from the Decameron?

    Yeah ... But I have to. Firstly, it is taken from the materials of the museum. Secondly, just imagine how you have to work there. You don't know German, there is no Russian audio guide. And not every figure has it. There are many halls. There are even more figures ... It is physically impossible to remove everything. Shoot selectively? The question is what. I don’t know all the armor, all the swords and their whole history. Plus his wife and granddaughter, who are not so interested in all this and who are drawn to "their halls". And then time ... So you rush back and forth, read short signatures in English. It was then that I contacted the Arsenal employees and arranged for help. And there on the spot ... what a Decameron ... I thought only about how to photograph what was possible without problems. My granddaughter and I worked like obsessed people there - that's how it is!
  4. +8
    30 September 2019 06: 49
    To his right is a figure in the armor of a cavalryman of a pistol with goose-chest cuirass.
    This is 3/4 armor for a spearman. Pistoliers did not wear arme - no review for firing pistols. The helmet is purely for a spear bug. Due to the absence of a spear, the pistol did not have a coat on the cuirass. For the same reason (the absence of a spear, which must be clamped under the armpit, the shoulder pads of the pistol (as well as the cuirassiers) were symmetrical.
    Roman-style armor Francesco Maria I di Giovanni della Rovere, Duke of Urbino (1490 - 1538) ... The armor itself - in fact, is a brigandine - of many plates sewn (or riveted) on or under the fabric, which is why the outside rivet heads could be seen on the surface of expensive fabric.
    This is not a brigandine at all. From the word at all. This is koracena (in the western manner) or ankylosing spondylitis (in the eastern and ours) - that is, a set of overlapping plates fastened together by chain mail rings.
    For most readers, distinguishing between these subtleties is of course violet. But you have a bunch of articles and even a book on armored subjects. It's like for an officer to confuse AKM and M16, for example. Or air defense confused types of air defense systems. It is strange to see such flaws within one's own specialization. No.
  5. +2
    30 September 2019 07: 14
    Quote: abrakadabre
    It is strange to see such flaws within one's own specialization.

    Nothing strange. Just sometimes you don’t see what you are shooting. Then you read the description and it ... such as on the signature. And since there is a lot of work, you are glad that someone made it easier for you. And just rewrite the written. That's all. Then it turns out that everyone needs to be checked ... And for the Arsenal specialists and for themselves, too. And when to live?
  6. +2
    30 September 2019 07: 18
    Quote: abrakadabre
    fastened together by chain rings.

    Now I looked at the photo with an enlargement — yes, rings, yes bahterets, yes ... there are no rivet heads or fabric on the outside ... But the translation is absolutely accurate, isn't it?
  7. +1
    30 September 2019 08: 54
    It’s interesting how much the armor costs. Not a remake, namely the work of the old master. Although most likely they are in museums and are not for sale. Maybe some offspring of old noble families sometimes sell the armor of their glorious ancestors / or even entire castles with all the property ... /? That would be great --- I bought the castle of counts, went to dig a well, and there the treasure of the Templars was buried. T.S. Common ... winked
    1. +4
      30 September 2019 09: 27
      As one of the comrades has already noted, remodelers are also not bad. The price tag for custom work of authorship reaches 50 thousand euros. While standard armor can be purchased for 3-5 eurokosars. The irony, in my opinion, is that the price ratio for an exclusive product and consumer goods has not changed for 500 years.
      PS. Oh, this is the gold of the Templars - the greedy fantasies of Philip the Beautiful! laughing
      Vyacheslav Olegovich - thanks for the article
      Viktor Nikolaevich - thanks for the information on the state of the European market for "reconstruction services".
      1. +3
        30 September 2019 10: 42
        I wonder how much the armor costs for money
        The question is complex, since the price range is very large. You can find out the price of unique items from museum collections only at some Huntington T. Block, where they are insured. But the employees of such companies are not talkative.
        Prices for unique items are not susceptible to any sort of ranking. It's like with diamonds. To some weight, the price per carat is formed by the market, and unique diamonds are priced in a completely different way.
        For example, "Steinmetz Pink" or "Pink Star", found in 1999 and weighing 59,60 carats, is valued at $ 71,2 million, although the market price of a carat is about $ 2500.
        But Sancy, exhibited in the Louvre, the weight is close, 55,23 carats, and the status is priceless.
        It should also be borne in mind that armor is sold, most often, like other objects of art, at auctions and the final price can skyrocket.
        At the German auction Hermann Historica in Munich last year, 30th-century German tournament armor was displayed and the starting price was $ 000.
        And in December this year, a collection of the famous German sculptor and collector Carsten Klingbale will be sold in Brussels. One of the items is the XNUMXth century Milanese armor of the master Pompeo Della Cesa.

        Starting price - $ 300. And what will be the final - we learn in December.
    2. +6
      30 September 2019 10: 14
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      and there the treasure of the Templars was buried

      Most likely, no treasures of the Templars in nature did not exist. The wealth of the Templars was not piles of gold, but mainly bills, receipts, etc. Gold, of course, was also there, but its supply was most likely very limited and dispersed over the preceptoria.
      Let’s better dream that you’ll buy a castle of counts, go dig a well, and there is an ancient crypt with a huge number of perfectly preserved manuscripts, chronicles and other documents, such as merchants, granted letters and international treaties, starting from the era of the Merovingians ... That would be yes ... And the Templars' gold is bullshit. smile
    3. +1
      30 September 2019 18: 42
      Stormbreaker, I have a question: why do you need a well? Each castle had its own sources of water supply. If my memory serves me, one of the Kremlin towers is called the "Well" there was a well.
      1. +2
        30 September 2019 22: 16
        The well was in the Tainitskaya tower of the Moscow Kremlin. The Well Tower itself is part of the ensemble of the Ivangorod Fortress and Karlstejn Castle (Czech Republic).
  8. +5
    30 September 2019 10: 31
    Quote: Trilobite Master
    there is an ancient crypt with a huge number of perfectly preserved manuscripts, chronicles and other documents, such as merchants, letters of honor and international treaties, dating back to the Merovingian era ...

    It would be more expensive than any gold!
  9. +5
    30 September 2019 11: 19
    Quote: Trilobite Master
    preserved manuscripts, chronicles, and other documents, such as merchants, letters of honor, and international treaties, dating back to the Merovingian era ...

    That is, part of the Templar archive laughing
    In my opinion, the archive of any urban preview is much more interesting. There litigation, denunciations, complaints, criminal cases, regulatory documents - in general, the ordinary life of ordinary Masters of the West.
    1. +4
      30 September 2019 14: 15
      Anton, and if you fantasize like that, you will find the secret archive of the Gauleiter of East Prussia, where the location of the "Amber Room" is indicated?
      Joking with jokes, WWII archives can now be more dangerous than all poisonous creatures combined
      1. +3
        30 September 2019 14: 42
        Indiana Jones and the Amber Room
        1. +2
          30 September 2019 17: 01
          I have not seen such a movie
    2. +3
      30 September 2019 14: 16
      Quote: 3x3zsave
      the ordinary life of ordinary Masters of the West

      Well I do not know...
      And then let's better dig out in some ancient monastery a lead box chock full of Old Russian texts with the weather chronicle of the rule of Rurik, a detailed description of the ancient Slavic pagan rituals of the times of St. Vladimir and the personal correspondence of Prince Mstislav the Great with all the European courts of that time. And we will study the ordinary life of ordinary Russo-Arians by birch bark letters, as they are doing now ... smile
      1. +2
        30 September 2019 14: 40
        Let's! Where will we dig? I'll bring shovels.
        1. +4
          30 September 2019 15: 22
          Maybe next fall in my potato field? feel We’ll probably find something there. I have my own shovels and pitchforks. I will prepare bags and boxes for finds.
          laughing
          No, nevertheless, my peasant nature in me did not die, the origin makes itself felt. laughing
          1. +2
            30 September 2019 15: 52
            He suggested such an answer. drinks
            Why pitchfork? Potato gurt? recourse laughing
            1. +2
              30 September 2019 16: 07
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              He suggested such an answer.

              I thought at first to suggest digging an oil well, but petty-proprietary instincts prevailed over the dream of global enrichment. laughing Better a tit in a hand. smile
              And as for the forks and shovels, since we have been digging potatoes from time immemorial forks, it’s more convenient. smile
              1. +3
                30 September 2019 17: 00
                And we dig forks potatoes. That's just this year there is no harvest - the heat
                1. +2
                  30 September 2019 20: 41
                  Quote: vladcub
                  this year there is no harvest

                  Yes, this is not very ... It was dry. Small potatoes. My grandmother in such cases said: "Not potatoes, but beads. I have half a bead like this for you (s) eru" ... smile
                  1. +1
                    1 October 2019 01: 20
                    You were not lucky with the potatoes this year, and in our Ryazan region, oddly enough, it’s quite large, in half with a trifle. smile
                  2. +2
                    1 October 2019 13: 53
                    Last year, I was eating potatoes in half with snails, and this is a drought. I’m already thinking, but can I tie potatoes? Health is not right anymore, and if you take it into account, it turns out that you’re ready to buy, what to grow. When young is still excitement, but now .....
              2. +2
                30 September 2019 18: 53
                Grandmother was digging with a wooden spade (Vladimir region), parents with a bayonet shovel with a cut tip (Murmansk region)
                1. +1
                  1 October 2019 13: 55
                  We dug a usual shovel, and then switched to a pitchfork
              3. +1
                30 September 2019 19: 14
                Quote: Trilobite Master
                From time immemorial, we have been digging potatoes with a pitchfork - more convenient.

                And as for me - a shovel is more convenient. True, almost all of the stainless steel shovels were polished, the earth hardly sticks to them, like digging through the clockwork. Of the five pieces, one remained, all stole, bastards. They are very good. Shovels themselves did, the stamp was. I don’t like with a pitchfork, because potatoes often get stuck in a pitchfork.
          2. +4
            30 September 2019 18: 52
            Anton, Mikhail decided that you would dig up potatoes for him. He will say something like this: "Anton, you see this field, it is about 5-7 hectares, somewhere there is a treasure buried. If you find it, we divide 5 by 5, and if one potato. Let's cook a pot of potatoes."
            1. +3
              30 September 2019 19: 24
              But they will give me a trilobite to stroke!
              1. +1
                30 September 2019 20: 58
                Quote: 3x3zsave
                But they will give me a trilobite to stroke!

                If you treat it to a pink petal, it will even rustle for you. smile
        2. +2
          30 September 2019 20: 21
          3x3zsave
          Today, 15:
          hi
          Dig-dig! There are a lot of him.
          The prosecutor! Dig deeper.
          1. +1
            30 September 2019 21: 21
            "And a joke:" Give coal to the country! "
            We feel on our own palms "(c)
      2. +4
        30 September 2019 16: 55
        Mikhail, Fomenko and Co. have already found these documents. So that you are late
        1. +2
          30 September 2019 21: 16
          Quote: vladcub
          Fomenko and Co. have already found these documents.

          I thought we had Chudinov in this regard - to find documents in everything that the eye falls on, even in a pile on the lawn ... And this gang, it seems, was only engaged in interpretation ... Well, there was nothing to eat and they are new "sources" Are they being introduced into pseudoscientific circulation or, as before, they rinse the Velesov book? laughing
          No, seriously, it’s been a bit tough for us with the Novokhronolaz people recently, we live like in Kamchatka in the 18th century. I don’t know all the short stories of folk history science, but I’m especially interested in whether you believe it, somehow it doesn’t pull ... Maybe you happen to know (sorry for such suspicions, I don’t want to offend you), there really is news about ancient paganism from the above figures or is it still not possible to significantly advance the true patriotic history forward? laughing wassat
          1. +2
            1 October 2019 13: 40
            Mikhail, you would have asked Samsonov about this, he has such interests, and you and me are retrograde cities at best, and at worst we are villains.
  10. +4
    30 September 2019 13: 42
    Quote: 3x3zsave
    in general, the everyday life of ordinary Masters of the West.

    The problem is knowledge of the language!
    1. +2
      30 September 2019 14: 13
      Oh, we have already begun to decide what to do with the suddenly fallen treasure! laughing
  11. +5
    30 September 2019 14: 25
    "there are traces of bullets: on the helmet, chest and back", apparently, Archduke Leopold 5 was not a timid man: the then guns did not differ with a long-range of no more than 100m. It turns out he was almost at the epicenter of the battles?
    1. +3
      30 September 2019 15: 52
      Apparently so. One mark is always a brand, a mark of quality, that the armor has passed the test and "look, the bullet did not pierce it." But many marks are always traces of use in battle.
      1. +3
        30 September 2019 16: 00
        Quote: kalibr
        One mark is always a mark, a mark of quality

        Oh, Vyacheslav Olegovich, now you have removed my tongue. smile
        Quits. hi smile
    2. +4
      30 September 2019 15: 52
      Often, bullet marks on the armor were a kind of quality mark. The master, after finishing work, to demonstrate the quality of the armor shot him - a kind of OTC. The buyer saw a trace of a bullet that did not penetrate the armor, and for his precious life was more calm.
      As for Leopold, then this is the same one that in 1613 agreed to become the Russian Tsar and, if things were different, could have appeared on the Russian throne instead of Mikhail Romanov at the invitation of Prince Pozharsky.
      This is by the way that the Romanovs are proteges of the Masters of the West. smile
  12. +1
    30 September 2019 15: 05
    Chic products.
  13. 0
    30 September 2019 16: 19
    Is the ceremonial armor so tight-fitting and "skinny" that there was no need to wear a denser "backing" under them?
  14. +1
    30 September 2019 16: 31
    Quote: Trilobite Master
    I thought at first to suggest digging an oil well, but petty-proprietary instincts prevailed over the dream of global enrichment. Better a tit in a hand.

    A wise decision, otherwise the oil pipeline to Kirishi would have to be built.
  15. +1
    30 September 2019 16: 32
    thanks a lot to the author, I read and looked through everything with great interest, I will wait for the next article
  16. +1
    30 September 2019 18: 04
    Exactly. They did not fight in them. Therefore, clothes were worn at the very minimum. Iron is a thermos. The wind is not refreshing, there is no air exchange ... You yourself are in the room or you are following the king in the cavalcade ...
    1. -1
      30 September 2019 19: 48
      Quote: kalibr
      Therefore, clothes were worn at the very minimum. Iron is a thermos

      Have you seriously written this? It is in the south that he warms the sun, and in our country such armor did not take root for some reason, they preferred chain mail despite the fact that it is all in holes. You at least google how the thermos is arranged. There is a vacuum. Dewar vessel. Something I don’t remember in vacuum armor. In what class did you light up physics around the corner? crying
  17. +2
    30 September 2019 18: 09
    Quote: vladcub
    And we dig forks potatoes. That's just this year there is no harvest - the heat

    And I threw to plant potatoes. Apparently the land is inappropriate. Tomatoes, peppers, zucchini, all kinds of cabbage, all kinds of greens ... arugula grow there. Part on the ground, part in greenhouses with automatic ventilation. And everything is growing, just plenty. Some vegetables, dried and frozen, are enough for a year from harvest to harvest.
  18. +1
    30 September 2019 18: 11
    Quote: 3x3zsave
    In my opinion, the archive of any urban preview is much more interesting. There litigation, denunciations, complaints, criminal cases, regulatory documents

    Anton! Ready story for the novel, but ... and documents from books you know !!! Found a box and ... what's next ...
    1. +3
      30 September 2019 18: 47
      The scheme is simple, Vyacheslav Olegovich, if we are interested in knowledge, not enrichment. Box - for the evaluation of antiquaries, after any antique auction. For the proceeds, we hire experts in Old French (substitute the necessary language), we announce to the world historical community about the unique discovery, in passing we get the Nobel Prize. Then you go to inspect the Metropolitan Museum of Art, and I (out of ignorance of English) go to dig potatoes to Mikhail.
      1. +1
        30 September 2019 22: 04
        Case for small!
        1. +1
          30 September 2019 22: 25
          Absolutely right! It is necessary that the comrade "Thunderbolt" bought some wreck.
  19. +1
    30 September 2019 18: 30
    Colleagues, have you noticed a red pouch under his belt at the cuirassier "pistoliero"? You know what it is. Such bags of "gufiki" existed almost until the beginning of the 20th century. I wonder: they did not interfere with crawling, after all, and then the wars had to crawl
    1. +1
      30 September 2019 22: 32
      Do you know what it is?
      Of course we do. This is push up.
  20. +4
    30 September 2019 18: 40
    Quote: Astra wild
    Colleagues, have you noticed a red pouch under his belt at the cuirassier "pistoliero"? You know what it is. Such bags of "gufiki" existed almost until the beginning of the 20th century. I wonder: they did not interfere with crawling, after all, and then the wars had to crawl

    Astra is not a goofy, but a codpiece! And he did not interfere with Pos, because then the soldiers did NOT crawl from the word AT ALL. Hiding from bullets and arrows was considered a shame! People boldly went straight to the shots, and even shouted that they were giving the right of the first shot to the opposing side. Even in the Franco-Prussian war, officers drove the soldiers into an attack with chains under a drum! They began to crawl only during the Boer War! And by this time there were already pants and pants with elastic!
  21. +3
    30 September 2019 18: 42
    Quote: kalibr
    cuirassier "pistollero" has a red pouch under his belt

    By the way, there will be separate material about these bags. Getting ready!
  22. 0
    1 October 2019 14: 21
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    You at least google how the thermos is arranged. There is a vacuum. Dewar vessel. Something I don’t remember in vacuum armor. In what class did you light up physics around the corner?

    Why do you take everything so seriously, huh? And you can't laugh in any way, just accusations that you "smoked". Oh ... I don't care how the thermos works. In any case, it is very hot in metal armor, especially if you put everything under it and ... the sun.

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