In anticipation of a crown attack on Perseus and LRASM. Umbrella of the Northern Fleet missile defense will get a new breath

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Despite the fact that some Russian military experts, as well as journalists from domestic news and military analytical sites did not focus on information about the upcoming acquisition of operational combat readiness by the promising S-350 (50R6A) Vityaz anti-aircraft missile systems, the event scheduled for the last quarter of 2019 can be safely ranked among the truly epochal stages in the formation of advanced weapons Air defense, which are in service with both the Air Defense Forces of the Russian Aerospace Forces and the Naval fleet Russia.





Consequently, this event deserves its unshakable niche in the list of the most relevant expert reviews of everyday life; especially in the plane relating to naval air defense systems of the Northern Fleet of the Russian Navy. What is this about?

The abundance of naval anti-aircraft missile systems with a semi-active radar guidance principle can play a trick on the combat stability of the Northern Fleet's naval strike group during the reflection of a hypothetical massive strike by NSM and LRASM anti-ship missiles


Not all observers of domestic military analytical portals are aware that for several decades, the air / missile umbrella umbrella of the orders of the Northern Fleet’s naval strike groups (KGB) was presented by naval air defense systems only with a radio command or semi-active radar guidance system.

In particular, the radio command principle of guidance is applied by the “Dagger” short-range anti-aircraft missile systems (self-defense) installed on large anti-submarine ships of the Xnumx Udaloy Ave. and the 1155 Udaloy II Aircraft, Admiral Kuznetsov heavy aircraft-carrying cruiser "And the Peter the Great heavy nuclear missile cruiser (ave. 1155.1" Orlan "). The semi-active radar guidance method is characteristic of medium-range and long-range naval air defense systems M-1143.5 "Hurricane" (located on the destroyer "Admiral Ushakov" ave. 1144.2 "Sarych"), as well as the S-22F Fort and S-956F Fort-M ", Placed on the Peter the Great TARK (ave. 300) and" Marshal Ustinov "(ave. 300" Atlant ").

The radio command method of guidance of the “Dagger” complexes consists in the continuous tracking by the K-12-1 guidance radars of both attacking anti-aircraft missiles 9М330-2 and attacked targets; at the same time, their coordinates are meticulously accurate up to the moment of their “meeting” and the initiation of the warhead of the 9М330-2 anti-aircraft missile. The semi-active radar guidance method of the Hurricane complexes, as well as the C-300F / FM (“Fort / -M”), consists in the continuous illumination of the fired targets by the OP-3 and 3Р41 “Wave” X-band illumination radars, while the semi-active radar The GOS of the 5В55РМ and 48Н6Е anti-aircraft guided missiles “capture” the wave emitted from the radio-contrast targets emitted by the above radars.

It is well known that these guidance methods have two critical shortcomings that can play far from the combat stability of the naval strike groups of the Northern Fleet of the Russian Navy in the event of a massive anti-ship strike from the enemy (deck aviation US Navy or Norwegian Air Force) involving, for example, several dozen long-range hardly noticeable anti-ship missiles AGM-158C LRASM (800-900 km) or NSM (180-250 km).

First of all, we are talking about limiting the range of the M-22 "Hurricane", S-300F "Fort" and S-300FM "Fort-M" when intercepting low-altitude and ultra-low-altitude anti-ship missiles and other air attack vehicles moving at altitudes of 7— 20 m above the “crest of the wave”. This limitation is 23 — 32 km and is associated with the need to establish line of sight between the guidance / illumination radars and the approaching targets. In other words, the interception of targets by “numbed” anti-aircraft missiles 9M38М1, 5В55РМ and 48Н6Е with semi-active radar seekers is possible only within the radio horizon, which does not allow the calculation of ship-borne air defense systems to start work at a distance XXN closer to.

As a result, this guidance principle does not provide the opportunity to destroy as much as possible the numerous “outfit” of dozens of enemy RCCs in order to facilitate its final elimination with the help of the Kortik or Pantsir-M naval air defense missile systems at a distance of 5 — 20 km.

Secondly, this is the complete dependence of the number of enemy’s anti-ship missiles simultaneously intercepted on the target channel of the “Walnut” illumination and guidance radars, the 3Р41 “Wave” and the K-12-1 (1, 6 and 4 simultaneously fired objects, respectively), which is far from the best quality during the reflection of a massive enemy missile strike. The following question arises: what is the relationship between the expected replenishment of anti-aircraft missile regiments of the Russian Air Force with the latest S-350 Vityaz systems and the new stage announced in the beginning of our review in the development of naval air defense systems of the Northern Fleet of the Russian Navy?

The forthcoming achievement of the level of operational combat readiness by the Vityaz C-350 anti-aircraft missile system at the end of the 2019 of the year indicates that the element base of the active radar homing head of the promising 9M96E2 anti-aircraft missile has been “brought to mind”. Problems with the “capture” of targets on the flight sections of the trajectories, announced by an anonymous source at the Fakel ICD and observed during a series of field tests from 2012 to 2015, were finally eliminated.

From the “Knights” to the “Redoubts”. An active radar guidance system is the main help in the formation of effective anti-air and anti-missile "umbrellas" on marine and ground theater


Consequently, the unique interceptor missile is ready for integration both in the ammunition of the Vityaz ground-based air defense systems and in the arsenals of the Redut naval anti-aircraft missile systems deployed on frigates of the 22350 project (Admiral Gorshkov and Admiral Kasatonov), as well as at the final stage of modernization underway by the heavy nuclear missile cruiser 1144.2M Ave. “Admiral Nakhimov” (part of the Red Banner Northern Fleet of the Russian Navy). But what range of unique anti-missile properties does the promising 9M96E2 / DM anti-aircraft guided missiles that are part of the Redut airborne anti-aircraft missile systems boast?


The super-maneuverable anti-aircraft guided missile 9М96Е2 (in the foreground) and its less long-range modification 9М96Е (in the background) will significantly increase the anti-missile potential of the surface fleet of the Northern Fleet in opposition to the latest enemy anti-ship missiles


Firstly, the presence of an active radar homing head of the centimeter / millimeter range of the Slate type (does not need continuous illumination of the target by the Poliment guidance radar) makes it possible for the 9X962 missiles to intercept air targets hiding behind the sea radio horizon or elevations in elevations a distance of the order of 5 — 50 km from the coast of islands or continents. Naval anti-aircraft missile systems M-22 "Hurricane" and S-300F / FM "Fort / -M", which have semi-active radar guidance systems, cannot boast of such qualities.

Moreover, starting from the information published by the reference and news portal rbase.new-factoria.ru with a link to the developer of the homing head "Slate" - the Agat Research Institute, we can conclude that this homing head of the 9М96Е2 rocket equipped with an additional terminal of a bilateral asynchronous communication line. Thanks to this terminal, the Redut naval air defense system will be able to operate on cruise missiles and enemy aircraft hiding behind the coastal terrain by target designation from A-50У long-range radar detection aircraft, as well as on-board radars of Su-30СМ, Su-35С and Su-57 fighters. Therefore, the Redut air defense system can be safely ranked as a promising network-centric naval defense system of the 21st century.

Secondly, the latest 9М96Е2 anti-aircraft guided missiles (unlike the 5В55РМ and 48Н6Е interceptors) are equipped not only with aerodynamic rudders, but also with a "gas dynamic belt" of transverse control engines located in the region of the center of mass of the rocket. This “belt”, represented by two tiers of 16 pulsed micro-rocket engines, makes it possible for the 9M96E2 anti-aircraft missile to carry out lightning transverse “jerks” on the trajectory with an overload of about 60-75 units, which allows intercepting not only standard low-maneuverable anti-ship missiles LRASM, but also the promising RCC CVS401 “Perseus”, developed by the French-British division of MBDA Corporation and capable of anti-aircraft maneuvers with overloads from 25 to 35 units.

Thus, the observed integration into the “equipment” of the Russian surface ships of the promising Redut air defense systems with 9M962 anti-aircraft missiles will provoke a noticeable “jump” in the Northern Fleet’s anti-missile potential, making it possible to equalize the capabilities with the American, British and French naval strike missiles that have X-AN anti-aircraft missiles and Aster-6.
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  1. +6
    26 September 2019 05: 53
    wow! Damantsev today "plays for ours", not everything is apparently gone. however, the massive rearmament on the S-350 (50R6A) "Vityaz", traditionally, will be extended for ... years. Well, so ... the tradition is this, I understand that everything will suddenly not appear by clapping your hands, but I like it better. When the system is installed and working on the ships, and then there is information, but now on the contrary, first "cartoons", and then the painful process of matching "cartoons".
  2. +3
    26 September 2019 05: 59
    Eugene hi Explain, please, the meaning of the word "ultra-low-altitude, where the altitude of the rocket is calculated in millimeters above sea level, or already in microns? ?? belay recourse the article is correct, but some terms are at least shocking. ..
    1. -1
      26 September 2019 06: 09
      Quote: Thrifty
      Eugene, please explain the meaning of the word "ultra-low-altitude, where the height of the rocket flight is calculated in millimeters above sea level, or is it already in microns? ??

      The foreman did not explain to you what it means "low ..."? lol
      1. 0
        3 October 2019 02: 32
        it's about KRAKADILOV, not rockets.
    2. +1
      26 September 2019 06: 17
      The concept of "low-altitude" starts at an average of 150 m and below for an aircraft moving in subsonic sound. But in any case, for each type of earth's surface (land, water) and relief, the CWP is different.
      "Ultra-low-altitude" is hyperbole
      1. +1
        27 September 2019 08: 57
        "Ultra-low-altitude" is hyperbole

        crap is all
        at the Poliment radar, beam angle minus 4 degrees, according to the radio horizon in 40 km, you can grind on boats
    3. -1
      29 September 2019 20: 41
      These terms play the role of decoration, like toys on a Christmas tree.
  3. -1
    26 September 2019 05: 59
    It’s bizarre to comment on what you don’t understand, it makes no sense. I’m just glad for our successes in the defense industry and the renewal of the armed forces. Let not by leaps and bounds, but we do not stand still, we are moving forward.
    1. -5
      26 September 2019 06: 39
      Quote: Vladimir61
      It’s bizarre to comment on what you don’t understand, it makes no sense.

      that is yes ...
      Quote: Vladimir61
      I’m just glad for our successes in the defense industry and the renewal of the armed forces. Let not by leaps and bounds, but we do not stand still, we are moving forward.

      Well, you can silently rejoice, why write: "I rejoice"? meaning where? it looks like a "selfie". the site becomes funny, entertaining. "ah, I'm glad!" "oh, but I don't like it", "I don't care, it's cold today" .. laughing The "specialists" understood, and silently left the site, how sad, there was someone to talk to, only slogans and clichés remained. and! Yes ! MIKHAN! him and the flag in ..
      1. +8
        26 September 2019 07: 04
        The "specialists" understood, and silently left the site, how sad, there was someone to talk to, only slogans and clichés remained. and!

        Something you yourself are not noticed in the absence of stamps
        however, the mass rearmament of the Vityaz S-350 (50P6A), traditionally, will be extended over ... years. Well, so ... tradition is

        not in depth discussion of the topic
        The foreman did not explain to you what it means "low ..."?

        For me, these comments also kill the discussion of technical articles.
        1. +3
          26 September 2019 08: 05
          Quote: Designer 68
          The "specialists" understood, and silently left the site, how sad, there was someone to talk to, only slogans and clichés remained. and!

          Existing specialists are silent ... because they are silent!
          This is not a meeting of designers approved to 000 .......
          The article highlights the normal desire / attempt of the military to provide protection from attack means in various situations.
          My opinion is that means of attack at a given time have advantages over ALL means of defense! For all serious, equipped armies, the rest are also being pulled up to this level!
          Those. confrontation of the SWORD against the SHIELD, while the SWORD is ahead .... attempts to launch the SWORD are restrained by only one, the enemy also has a sword and, in addition to defense, can carry out an ATTACK, which also will probably not be repelled!
          That's the whole short stay!
          1. +2
            26 September 2019 11: 02
            "Sword" is always ahead! It is commonplace easier for him. In the end will take quantity.
            As for the article, the presentation of information about the "shortcomings" of the radio command and semi-active guidance method looks like that Eugene only dawned on it today.
            The thought finally came!

            Well, the active guidance still has a small cart and a small cart - both a short detection range of the AGSN and a narrow target search sector, and insufficient noise immunity, and a rather high probability of capturing the “wrong target”, for example, a “trap”.
            In principle, everything is written correctly, but here is the tone ... - it’s direct “discovery of America”.

            In my opinion, the more diverse the air defense weapons are, the more difficult it is to overcome them.
            So it’s good that we have a fort, there is a hurricane and a redoubt, and a dagger, and a broadsword, and is flexible, and others!
            And let them be more.
            Here with logistics still questions would be solved!
            Or with the size and weight of missiles while maintaining their performance characteristics - that is, with the composition of the ammunition on each individual ship.
            1. +1
              26 September 2019 12: 00
              Quote: Vlad.by
              Here with logistics still questions would be solved!
              Or with the size and weight of missiles while maintaining their performance characteristics - that is, with the composition of the ammunition on each individual ship.

              Quantity in volumes sufficient for effective "work", workmanship and compliance with the declared performance characteristics, what is actually required for effective use !!!
              In short, the issues that really constitute military secrets !!! those. no one will talk about it, anywhere!
              And then, conjectures, guesses, built on the information do not understand from where "sucked"!
          2. +3
            27 September 2019 18: 31
            Quote: rocket757
            The article highlights the normal desire / attempt of the military to provide protection from attack means in various situations.

            Victor, judging by the ava, you are an air defense specialist. And for air defense, one of the main indicators of the complex is its fire performance ... The number of targets followed and simultaneously fired, their varieties, etc. A respected author (sincerely respected by me!) Did not even remember this. This is a time.
            Second, the Eugene didn’t even mention how fast the AC / ABC / BC complex can operate ... Consumption of missiles for one target, launch interval, sea ball when using Redut ... And these are all very important characteristics of air defense systems.
            Third, the author could also clarify the data on the control system used when firing SAMs, and not push everything onto the AGRL, the horizontal ... After all, UKRS will load SAMs of various nomenclatures: from 9М100 to 9М96Е2. And these are completely different things, as they say in Odessa.
            But the topic is interesting to many, which is why it is being discussed ... each to the best of his ... depravity. laughing
            Best regards, hi
            1. +2
              27 September 2019 19: 48
              Alexander welcome soldier
              Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
              Victor, judging by the ava, you are an air defense specialist.

              It has long been, I started with the memory ... most of the military and civilian services, reconnaissance systems, airspace control .... PVO-PRO-SPACE, next to the rockets but I haven’t pressed the button for a long time.
              I myself am a citizen, I understand the topic, theory, general principles and all that jazz, but all this is a hobby / nostalgia.
      2. 0
        3 October 2019 02: 42
        specialists on such sites do not communicate. This is at least stupid. Well, we are discussing the topic in our own understanding. If it’s not right, correct it, but calling specialists here ... is somehow naive.
  4. +5
    26 September 2019 06: 38
    1. But does this article remind one of the American proverb: "Don't spit on the floor ... remember the spring floods of the Mississippi!" SAMs with AR.GSN, no doubt, "Vesch is very useful and necessary", but also on SAMs with steam .GSN cross to put early! Firstly, many missile launches are carried out within the "radio horizon" ... (otherwise, how then can a missile ship (especially small ...) be able to detect, classify a target, carry out target designation without the help of its radars? And an AWACS aircraft in a certain area can not enough for all "consumers" or it will not appear at the right time!). Secondly, as a result of improving the organization of the air defense structure, it is possible to improve the characteristics of shipborne air defense systems: 1. "Bundle" of an aircraft (yes even an airship ...) AWACS and a ship complex equipped with anti-aircraft missiles with PAR.GSN ... 2. Availability of AWACS helicopter; 3. The use of reconnaissance and patrol UAVs (possibly the appearance of UAVs - "flying radars" ...); 4. Transfer of the "far-zone" air defense functions to helicopters and fighters with air-to-air missiles and the preservation of the "near-zone" air defense functions behind the ship's air defense systems ...
    2.You can conclude that this 9М96Е2 missile homing head is equipped with an additional two-way asynchronous communication terminal. Thanks to this terminal, the Redut naval air defense system will be able to operate on cruise missiles and enemy aircraft hiding behind the coastal terrain by target designation from A-50У long-range radar detection aircraft, as well as on-board radars of Su-30СМ, Su-35С and Su-57 fighters. Well, if only so ... but perhaps they will "think" about it later. Now I remembered the 5V55KR zur ... and the guidance principle: "target tracking through a rocket." That is, the AR.GSN should also "serve" as a radar "sight" ... only not "semi-active", as on 5V55 and MIM-104, but "active" ... It may well be that first the function of two-way communication " was conceived "for more confident guidance of the missile by the complex behind the" radio horizon ". But I will not argue ... the function of two-way data transmission will be useful for "targeting missiles for target designation of an AWACS aircraft and" dryers "in the future ... hopefully, the near future.
    1. -1
      26 September 2019 07: 15
      but also on ZURah with PAR.GOSN early to put a cross!

      It's not about the "cross". A working target illumination radar is an invitation to attack with AGM-88 HARM missiles or MM40 Exocet anti-ship missiles, which are aimed at a radio signal or interference
      1. +2
        26 September 2019 08: 07
        Quote: Designer 68
        Working target illumination radar

        Shipborne air defense systems will still use "emitting" radars ... if not their own, then shipborne ones ...
        1. -2
          26 September 2019 08: 17
          Shipborne air defense systems will still use "emitting" radars ... if not their own, then shipborne ones ...

          Even in this case, the release of the target channels of the Russian Orthodox Church (target illumination radar, and not the Russian Orthodox Church laughing ) will increase the performance of the shooting channel with a massive raid
          1. +3
            26 September 2019 11: 08
            Even with an increase in channelity, restrictions still exist. At least for BC. Well, along with the means of attack.
            You can reload any SAM.
            But there are electronic warfare, passive protective equipment (smoke, aerosols ...), complexes of the last frontier AK630 ...
            Yes, and the Russian "maybe past" I would not write off))
            1. 0
              26 September 2019 23: 06
              Yes, and the Russian "maybe past" I would not write off))

              Very powerful tool) but strangely enough, it is fully functional)
              1. 0
                3 October 2019 20: 35
                So, thought is material laughing
      2. +2
        26 September 2019 11: 11
        Constructor68 (Aviator)! What is the range of application of the AGM-88 HARM? Does this not tell you anything? Before applying, it is necessary to fly to the turn of the launch. And not the fact that the anti-radar missile will hit the target ...
        1. -1
          26 September 2019 12: 42
          What is the range of application of the AGM-88 HARM? Does this not tell you anything? Before applying, it is necessary to fly to the turn of the launch.

          There is always a chance. No need to swing TTX. They only set this probability. And actions or counteractions will always be able to increase or accordingly reduce the probability of hitting the target.
          For example, most likely target detection radars will not work in the constant scanning mode, but short-term ones will be included, only to ensure target designation. Again, the attacking aircraft can enter the air defense zone of the target under a veil of set interference and at a height of up to 60m against the background of underlying interference from the water surface, which will not allow for earlier detection, selection and guidance. The enemy can enter into attack (missile launch) mode on a cabrio, when the dump height is reached in about 5-6 seconds. And then, half-loop, the plane again goes to low altitudes. Where to ensure the adjustment of the guidance of the rocket with PARGS on it is very difficult and very difficult. Situations, like described, are typical homework.
          1. +1
            26 September 2019 16: 49
            Quote: Designer 68
            For example, most likely the target detection radars will not work in continuous scanning mode, but short-term ones will be includedonly for target designation.

            Respected! To ensure target designation, the radar control unit must scan the radar coverage area 1 time, both in the azimuth and elevation plane, and this is enough for the AGM-88 HARM PRGSN or other modern anti-radar missile to capture the target (the "Velena" system is a little outdated ), the more AGM-88 HARM is capable of aiming at high-frequency radars. Less vulnerable to traditional types of interference, such as turning off the radar when it detects a missile launch, the HARM missile calculates the location of the target and can hit it even if the radar was turned off. The latest modifications are designed to destroy the radar with a change in operating frequencies. ... Therefore, your statement is wrong.
            Quote: Designer 68
            Again, the attacking aircraft can enter the air defense zone of the target under the veil of interferences and at a height of up to 60m against the background of underlying interference from the water surface, which will not allow for earlier detection, selection and guidance.

            The jammer, such as E-2D, needs to be approached at a distance of no more than 250 km for jamming. At the same time, it will be shot down by a long-range anti-aircraft missile Poliment-Redoubt type 40N6 (with ARGSN) with a range of about 400 km.
            Quote: Designer 68
            The enemy can enter into attack (missile launch) mode on a cabrio, when the dump height is reached in about 5-6 seconds. And then, half-loop, the plane again goes to low altitudes. Where to ensure the adjustment of the guidance of the rocket with PARGS on it is very difficult and very difficult.

            Conversion angle not more than 45 degrees. Therefore, depending on the launch range, the AGM-88 HARM carrier needs to rise to certain heights, while it becomes visible to the radar of air defense systems of ships (the horizon increases), and then it will be shot down by the Poliment-Redoubt anti-aircraft missile or another air defense system, depending on the range SAM actions. The AGM-88 HARM anti-radar missile is also destroyed by air defense systems. And this is not all we have considered.
            1. +1
              26 September 2019 17: 19
              Constructor68 (Aviator)!
              Quote: Designer 68
              The enemy can enter into attack (missile launch) mode on a cabrio, when the dump height is reached in about 5-6 seconds.

              In 5-6 seconds, the Rafale-class fighter will rise to an altitude of only 1,83 km, which is very slow and not enough for the AGM-88 HARM's long-range launch range. At the same time, it is very likely that any fighter will be defeated by an air defense system.
            2. -2
              26 September 2019 18: 08
              Therefore, your statement is incorrect.

              Which statement? What are you talking about?
              At the same time, it will be shot down by a long-range anti-aircraft missile Poliment-Redoubt type 40N6 (with ARGSN) with a range of about 400 km.

              Let's not wave such statements. Since by the time of the defeat of the jammers, the attacking planes will already reach the line of use of weapons. It was not for nothing that I wrote that there are only certain probabilities of the occurrence of an event. And analysts always use them. And you have a statement of one character: if you shot, then you killed, without options.
              Conversion angle not more than 45 degrees. Therefore, depending on the launch range, the carrier of the AGM-88 HARM needs to rise to certain heights, while it becomes visible to the radar of air defense systems of ships (the radio horizon is increasing

              The pitch angle can be any, since this is an evolution of a positive pitch aircraft. But bombing from the cabriolet is carried out from heights of 3-5 thousand m, with a pitch angle of 30 ° -40 °, at speeds of 700-800 km / h (there was a dispute with the Operator over a higher one, up to 900, but I have not seen such a thing in practice ), with overload control within 3-4 units. The height of the discharge and exit from the half-loop to a turn is up to 5 thousand. achieved in 5-6 seconds (according to RLE, in reality, less - 3-4 seconds) after the start of the maneuver. During this time, it is impossible to hit an attacking aircraft at a distance of 80-100 km (sufficient for using not only HARM-type missiles) with any air defense means.
              and anti-ship missiles, but adjustable gliding ammunition such as GBU and our UPAB). In other words, the attacking plane in any case has time for the attack and will complete it before the reaction of the air defense systems.
              1. 0
                26 September 2019 21: 10
                Quote: Constructor68 (Aviator)
                Quote: Something (Something)
                At the same time, it will be shot down by a long-range anti-aircraft missile Poliment-Redoubt type 40N6 (with ARGSN) with a range of about 400 km.


                Let's not wave such statements. Since by the time of the defeat of the jammers, the attacking planes will already reach the line of use of weapons. It was not for nothing that I wrote that there are only certain probabilities of the occurrence of an event. And analysts always use them. And you have a statement of one character: if you shot, then you killed, without options.

                Constructor 68 (Aviator), you wrote absolutely nothing about certain probabilities of the event - you just have a pun and no numbers... Regarding my statement - the probability of hitting a target with a missile of the Polyment-Redut complex is P = 0,9999, so your statements are higher - "And you have a statement of the same nature: once you shot, then you killed, without options." absolutely true. A rocket with ARGSN type 40N6 Polyment-Redoubt will easily hit the carrier rocket AGM-88 HARM. The rest is your assumptions and no more ...

                Quote: Constructor68 (Aviator)
                In other words, the attacking plane in any case has time for the attack and will complete it before the reaction of the air defense systems.

                Don't write your guesses. This is not true. As long as your plane reaches the launch line at a range of D = 106 km, it will be destroyed by a 40N6 missile with a "Polyment-Redut" ARGSN with a range of D = 400 km. And even when the carrier of the AGM-88 HARM missiles will make a pitching maneuver from a height of 60 meters to 10 km at a distance of 106 km. Learn to count.
                1. 0
                  26 September 2019 22: 36
                  And even when the carrier rocket AGM-88 HARM will maneuver the cabling from a height of 60 meters to 10 km at a distance of 106 km. Learn to count.

                  "Learn to count", this is Comrade Ehspert, you are writing this to yourself. Since for the ammunition to reach a height at the apogee of 10 km, the carrier does not need to go to this height himself. This apogee is achieved under the conditions I have listed for nose-up bombing. And about
                  As long as your plane reaches the launch line at a range of D = 106 km, it will be destroyed by a 40N6 missile with a "Polyment-Redut" ARGSN with a range of D = 400 km.

                  40N6 missile according to the declared characteristics is good, especially when it still appears in the troops. But no one canceled the laws of radiophysics. And your belief in the 100% possibility of detecting an attacking aircraft at an altitude of 30m +/- is more like a religion. And it is useless to argue with religious fanatics, they have already passed. Even an AWACS aircraft from a height of 6-8 km is not easy to see such a target and select it against the background of interference from the sea surface.
                  you just have a pun and no numbers ...

                  In some cases, "puns" are more realistic than far-fetched numbers. Here's an example:
                  You here in front of me are waving the figure "will knock over 400 km." Okay, just a comrade expert, take the trouble to explain to me - at what height will the 40N6 missile hit the target from a distance of 400 km? If you say that in any range of heights up to max. 35 km, then I will call you a liar. In addition, the question is: 400 km range of destruction of what target? High-altitude or low-altitude, high-speed or not, actively maneuvering or not, with what heading angle is the target moving relative to the air defense system, does the target use information interference, etc.? First, you need to answer these questions for yourself, then understand how much they affect both the range of defeat and its probability, and only then here in front of me, I apologize, puff and build an expert. It is with these factors in mind that I write about the probability that you should still understand.
                  1. +2
                    26 September 2019 23: 24
                    Constructor68, are you tired of writing your own nonsense? Anti-radar missiles with a pitch angle of more than 45 degrees. don't start. Read more literature, maybe someday you will understand. You even do not know at what height does the AGM-88 anti-radar missile launch at maximum range?
                    Quote: Designer 68
                    40N6 missile according to the declared characteristics is good, especially when it still appears in the troops. But no one canceled the laws of radiophysics. And your belief in the 100% possibility of detecting an attacking aircraft at an altitude of 30m +/- is more like a religion. And it is useless to argue with religious fanatics, they have already passed. Even an AWACS aircraft from a height of 6-8 km is not easy to see such a target and select it against the background of interference from the sea surface.

                    You are simply an illiterate nonspecialist, and frankly write a lie ... marked in bold, your exaggerated untruth. Learn not to lie!
                    Quote: Designer 68
                    You here in front of me are waving the figure "will knock over 400 km." Okay, only comrade expert, take the trouble to explain to me - at what height will the 40N6 missile hit the target from a distance of 400km? If you say that in any range of heights up to a maximum of 35 km, then I will call you a liar. In addition, the question is: what is the target range of 400 km? High-altitude or low-altitude, high-speed or not, actively maneuvering or not, with which course angle the target is relative to the air defense system information interference etc.?

                    You are so illiterate and unhealthy, there are simply no words! "... does the target use information interference" - what field are you a pseudo-specialist from? Learn radar and jamming! Complete illiteracy.
                    1. 0
                      27 September 2019 17: 05
                      You are so illiterate and unhealthy, there are simply no words!

                      Right funny to read lol
                      "... does the target use information interference" - what field are you a pseudo-specialist from? Learn radar and jamming! Complete illiteracy.

                      Well, from the point of view of a not quite consistent person, yes. And when I studied in twvoul, then imitating, leading away, interference was called informational. Unlike masking. So show your vigilance to others
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                    2. -1
                      27 September 2019 17: 32
                      Constructor68, are you tired of writing your own nonsense?

                      Well, how can I really care about your expert "knowledge" lol
                      Anti-radar missiles with a pitch angle of more than 45 degrees. don't start

                      At what point did the ability to put letters into words refuse you? I did not write about angles of more than 45 °.
                      Read more literature, maybe someday you will understand.

                      Why should I read? Already in the school and then in the EVP regiment, a slide, a half-loop with a turn and a dead loop were performed more than once or twice.
                      You are simply an illiterate nonspecialist, and frankly write a lie ... marked in bold, your exaggerated untruth. Learn not to lie!

                      I see the great expert chose the ideal tactics of the dispute: instead of arguments, it is necessary to write the accusatory accusations of the opponent of stupidity, lies and illiteracy. And that's it, the enemy is overthrown and humiliated! lol
                      Keep it up, comrade, you will beat everyone. Or run .... laughing
                      1. 0
                        27 September 2019 21: 04
                        Constructor 68 (Aviator), not tired of getting out like a Jew, and writing lies ...
                        Quote: Constructor68 (Aviator)
                        Well, from the point of view of a not quite consistent person, yes. And when I studied in tvvaul then mimickinginterference called informational. Unlike masking. So show your vigilance to others

                        No interference in nature - there are imitating noises. It is you who are twisting after I advised you to learn radar and types of interference. You can read on the Internet. Leading interference does not exist either in nature. Can you tell me what determines the increase in the power of a pulse transmitter for detection, without deteriorating other radar parameters? laughing
                        Quote: Constructor68 (Aviator)
                        But no one canceled the laws of radiophysics.

                        Who are you by profession? Physicist? And you are trying to argue awkwardly about radar, not knowing the radar.
                        Quote: Constructor68 (Aviator)
                        And your belief in the 100% possibility of detecting an attacking aircraft at an altitude of 30m +/- is more like a religion. And it is useless to argue with religious fanatics, they have already passed.

                        Do not write lies. I didn’t say that. wassat
                        Quote: Something (Something)
                        You are simply an illiterate nonspecialist, and frankly write a lie ... marked in bold, your exaggerated untruth. Learn not to lie!

                        Everything is correctly written above. No need to twist the dialogue and write fables, or do you think that I can not read?
                        Quote: Something (Something)
                        Constructor 68 (Aviator), you wrote absolutely nothing about certain probabilities of the event - you just have a pun and no numbers ...

                        Quote: Constructor68 (Aviator)
                        In some cases, "puns" are more realistic than far-fetched numbers.

                        That's all your arguments - you just don’t have arguments . laughing
                      2. 0
                        27 September 2019 21: 36
                        Information interference does not exist in nature - there are imitating interference. It is you who are twisting after I advised you to learn radar and types of interference. You can read on the Internet.

                        Why should I get out? In order to prove something to an irresponsible citizen with a claim to omniscience? I graduated with honors from the Tambov vvaul. There in the third year we were taught everything related to radar, navigation, etc. Then 20 years in YES, leaving for a citizen in the dashing 90s and since then work in the design bureau. And your antics here are just ridiculous to me. Are you a teenager trying to push me? Heh, I got nerves like ropes laughing
                        That's all your arguments - you just have no arguments

                        I asked you questions there, you got off them safely. I have already read your "arguments", I remember: they will shoot down over 400 km, regardless of altitude, speed, heading angle, degree of resistance to maneuvering and interference. The level is clear :))
                        Oh yes, the bombing from the cabrio is also visible to you only in the pictures. Judging by the objections.
                        But the conversation with you is tired, to compete in trolling do not see the point. All the best, good luck in couch battles, fellow expert. You can not answer, your opinion is no longer interesting to me hi
                      3. +1
                        28 September 2019 01: 29
                        Constructor 68 (Aviator), you are an illiterate couch strategist! Complete ignorance of radar and complete inability to apply their knowledge in practice ... Some fragments of phrases and verbal strumming with regalia, as well as a lack of knowledge. laughing
                        Quote: Designer 68
                        Why should I get out? In order to prove something to an insane citizen with a claim to omniscience? I graduated with honors from the Tambov vvaul. There in the third year we were taught everything related to radar, navigation, etc. Then 20 years in YES, leaving for a citizen in the dashing 90s and since then work in the design bureau. And your antics here are just ridiculous to me. Are you a teenager trying to push me?

                        Judging by your expressions, you are not only insane - you tried to answer my arguments with baby talk that is not related to the topic under discussion. Therefore, you are a teenager. And before you write, learn to measure - who is in front of you. Unlike you, my education is more serious than yours. However, I am not trying to verbally strum regalia like you. It's just that it's ugly and not only.bully
                        Quote: Designer 68
                        I asked you questions there, you got off them safely. I have already read your "arguments", I remember: they will shoot down over 400 km, regardless of altitude, speed, heading angle, degree of opposition to maneuvering and interference. The level is clear :))

                        Yes, you have complete ignorance of the Russian language and, in general, a deliberate lie - marked in bold. Leave your illiterate expressions to yourself and do not behave arrogantly without knowledge. I’m not even talking about your level, I just don’t see it in radar. Your opinion does not interest me either. And I don’t need to write answers, Jews such as you can learn the materiel further ... tongue
                      4. -1
                        28 September 2019 08: 19
                        And before you write, learn to measure - who is in front of you

                        And who is in front of me? Another "we, Nicholas II"? Don't stumble over your own conceit.
                        my education is more serious than yours.,

                        The presence of education does not give its owner a specialist. Just your case.
                        Quote: Designer 68
                        I asked you questions there, you got off them safely. I have already read your "arguments", I remember: they will shoot down over 400 km, regardless of altitude, speed, heading angle, degree of resistance to maneuvering and interference. The level is clear :))


                        Yes, you have complete ignorance of the Russian language and, in general, a deliberate lie - marked in bold. Leave your illiterate expressions to yourself and do not behave arrogantly without knowledge. I’m not even talking about your level, I just don’t see it

                        This is masterpiece! laughing
                        Instead of answering questions, start discussing the grammar of their writing - yes, you really are a specialist. Just not on the topic of discussion, on the ability to move out of uncomfortable questions laughing
                        such Jews

                        What, I decided to put the last trump card - to call the opponent a Jew? laughing
                        verbal strumming

                        Considering that regalia is either a symbol of monarchical power or an order, you probably now point to my comment, where I describe either my tsar's everyday life or file over my orders laughing objective and honest you are ours)
                      5. 0
                        28 September 2019 11: 54
                        Constructor68 (Aviator), did the Physicist (Klimov) come to life, judging by the impudence? Learn materiel and do not write your unhealthy statements. You are very far from the designer if you can not get rid of the reflections when scuba diving. Recalled -
                        Who am I?! laughing
                        Quote: Something (SET)
                        Quote: Constructor68 (Aviator)
                        It is a masterpiece! Instead of answering questions, start discussing the grammar of their writing - yes, you really are a specialist. Just off topic discussion, on ability move out of uncomfortable questions

                        I am not a mentor for people like you. Learn Russian language. Adverbs masterpiece in Russian does not existsince it cannot be formed from a noun masterpiece, and the adjective masterpiece in the Russian language did not exist. This is for people like you from the Internet. Although the Russian language allows borrowing, and now the Internet is simply replete with slang from the illiterate. And that you initially began to move away from questions, confuse anti-radar missiles with adjustable ammunition such as GBU-39 and become impudent. bully

                        Quote: Constructor68 (Aviator)
                        Considering that regalia is either a symbol of monarchical power or an order, you probably now point to my comment, where I describe either my tsar's everyday life or cross my orders, you are our objective and honest)

                        Learn Russian, and understand what I wrote about, and in what sense! tongue
                        Impudence and persistence reveals in you "offended by God."
                      6. 0
                        28 September 2019 13: 44
                        Recalled -
                        Who am I?! laughing

                        I remembered. Recently I went to nature and there, walking, I stepped into a cow mine. Now I understand what associations you call me. And who is Klimov, I do not know. This is probably one of the fictional personalities that lives only in your head.
                        and understand what I wrote about, and in what sense!

                        Let specialized specialists in certain closed institutions try to understand you.
                        So what about the maximum range of the 40N6 missile? 400km? How many times have you performed nose-up bombing, what carrier, ammunition type, order of execution? Indicate the place in my comments where I describe my awards or refer to my belonging to the Romanov house? There will be no answers, mister "learn materiel"? lol
                      7. -3
                        28 September 2019 13: 49
                        Quote: Designer 68
                        Recently I went to nature and there, walking, I stepped into a cow mine.

                        I'm sorry.
                        Quote: Designer 68
                        And who is Klimov, I do not know.

                        Captain Lieutenant.
                      8. +1
                        29 September 2019 00: 23
                        Constructor 68 (Aviator), it's ugly to write nonsense and lie ...
                        Quote: Something (SET)
                        Quote: Constructor68 (Aviator)
                        Quote: Something (SET)
                        Information interference does not exist in nature - there are imitating interference. It is you who are twisting after I advised you to learn radar and types of interference. You can read on the Internet. Leading noise also does not exist in nature. Can you tell me what determines the increase in the power of a pulse transmitter for detection, without deteriorating other radar parameters?

                        Why should I get out? In order to prove something to an irresponsible citizen with a claim to omniscience? I graduated with honors from the Tambov vvaul. There in the third year we were taught everything related to radar, navigation, etc. Then 20 years in YES, leaving for a civilian in the dashing 90s and since then work in KB. And your antics here are just ridiculous to me. Are you a teenager trying to push me? Heh, I got nerves like ropes.

                        Judging by your expressions, you are not only insane - you tried to answer my arguments with baby talk that is not related to the topic under discussion. Therefore, you are a teenager. And before you write, learn to measure - who is in front of you. Unlike you, my education is more serious than yours., However I'm not trying to verbally strum regalia like you. It's just that it's ugly and not only.

                        Quote: Something (SET)
                        Quote: Constructor68 (Aviator)
                        Given that regalia is either a symbol of monarchical power or an order, you probably now point to my comment, where I describe either my tsar's everyday life or cross my orders laughing laughing you are objective and honest)

                        Learn Russian, and understand what I wrote about, and in what sense!

                        Or have you not heard about the figurative meaning in Russian?laughing
                        They did not answer the question: "Can you tell me what determines the increase in the power of a pulse transmitter for detection, without deteriorating other radar parameters?"Poor to show your knowledge? You are a specialist with honors from the Tambov vvaul. You are an ace, not a udVas!"
                        And keep specialized specialists for yourself - you need them. Complexes and phobia - not with me. tongue
                      9. -1
                        29 September 2019 11: 24
                        They did not answer the question:

                        Low-respected "we, Nikolai 2, do not answer the question with a question. You said that the 40N6 missile will easily shoot down a target for 400 km. You were asked in normal language: at what height will the target be shot down at a distance of 400 km opening fire? And also target parameters Instead of answering, you staged a circus with antics
                        it’s ugly to write nonsense and lie ...

                        As I understand it, you wrote it to yourself. Because I never received an answer to the question about regalia.
                      10. 0
                        29 September 2019 16: 24
                        Constructor68 (Aviator), keep your illiterate show-offs for yourself! As always, you twist the dialogue, like the Jews.
                        To begin with, learn the types of interference, the characteristics of targets and the methods of interception, and also learn how to calculate the likelihood of damage and not only. As always, lies and juggling. It was you who made your erning after you could not distinguish the AGM-88 missile from the planning munitions of the GBU-39 type.
                        Quote: Constructor68 (Aviator)
                        Quote: Something (SET)
                        it’s ugly to write nonsense and lie ...

                        As I understand it, you wrote it to yourself. Because I never received an answer to the question about regalia.

                        Quote: Something (SET)
                        Learn Russian, and understand what I wrote about, and in what sense!

                        Quote: Something (SET)
                        "Or have you not heard about figurative meaning in Russian?"

                        Can't read Russian? Then learn Russian.
                        Do not forget to write the answer, otherwise the cow will die ...
                      11. -1
                        29 September 2019 17: 00
                        interception techniques

                        As for the interception methods, I will ask only one question: how many sorties to intercept targets (training) did you make, the type of intercepted target, group or single, interception means, data on range, azumut and elevation, as who you flew as - KK, OP or SHK ... Just one example. When you write - we will discuss "methods of interception" with toya, who has a show-off and who is a liar. If you don’t write, we will consider you who you are, in principle, and are - a chatterbox, not worthy to be called a man. And no verbiage is needed, just answer the question. One question, one answer.
                      12. 0
                        1 October 2019 13: 38
                        Constructor68 (Aviator), commercials grabbed you! We did not switch to “you”. Everything you tried to attribute to me is more about you. For people like you, illiterate, I'm not a mentor. Stay captive of your illusions. And learn the meaning of words in Russian before writing words without knowing their meaning. And also do not forget the great saying - "Learn, learn and learn"so as not to be trapped ...
                      13. 0
                        1 October 2019 14: 38
                        And why call you "you"? You have not caused any respect before. And now he has completely signed that he is a talker and not a man. I don't even know who you are then - a local variation on the theme of Nicolas Baskov, probably, the blue car is running, swinging negative
                      14. 0
                        1 October 2019 19: 20
                        Constructor68 (Aviator), about people like you:
                        "To shame a liar, make fun of a fool
                        And arguing with a woman is the same
                        What to draw water sieve:
                        Deliver us from these three, God! .. "
                      15. -1
                        1 October 2019 20: 15
                        Take the migraine from the avatar, Basque knee. Do not disgrace the domestic air force
                      16. 0
                        1 October 2019 20: 35
                        Learn the materiel, Vasya Pupkin! And do not forget aerodynamics, "offended by God."
                2. 0
                  3 October 2019 20: 50
                  Excuse me, Colleague, is 40N6 ammunition barrage? She fly to D = 100 km MINIMUM 100 s. Yes, during this time, any information security will have time to get out due to the radio horizon, bomb (and even twice) and go into the shadows. This is even if you do not count the time for the CR, TsU and the launch of missiles.
                  Also, the seconds are not small. Air defense horizon, at best - 40 km. And before this milestone - to the carriers - I do not want to walk. Therefore, the only way out is to solve the problem of AWACS, which so far, alas, is in its infancy.
  5. -1
    26 September 2019 07: 51
    Did you report this to the Navy?
  6. Eug
    +1
    26 September 2019 08: 39
    I wonder if integration of new missiles into existing systems is possible. It would be very effective - as for me ....
  7. -3
    26 September 2019 08: 53
    In practice, and not in theory, in the Northern Fleet there are only a couple of naval ships in service. Amers have more than 100 times. Forgot about OSU, on Ustinov. More ship artillery is universal and can work on anti-ship missiles. As well as electronic warfare, both passive and active. According to the PRS, ship's air defense systems will not be able to work, because of speed. Specifically, the dagger accompanies targets up to 700 m.s. RCC and ORS are allowed together. I think the best option is to pull on the threatened directions of the network on balloons. In which all the Kyrgyz Republic will fly away.
    1. +1
      27 September 2019 18: 01
      Quote: huntsman650
      In practice, not in theory,

      Explain, plz, what is "OSU"? //// Maybe - ACS? so she is called BIUS in the Navy ... (Tron, Polynom, Lumberjack)
      Quote: huntsman650
      More ship artillery is universal and can work on anti-ship missiles.
      Colleague, did you see the likelihood of the destruction of anti-ship missiles by artillery in kind? If you see, tady what are you talking about !?
      Quote: huntsman650
      According to the PRS, ship's air defense systems will not be able to work, because of speed.
      Oh how! And what, shooting only after !? Well, up to a speed of 1000m / s they completely knock down the PC, even ballistics at a distance of up to 30 km. And how, in fact, differ from the usual anti-radar? passive SU? So this is not particularly important if the 9M100 has an IR GOS!
      Quote: huntsman650
      the best option is to pull on the threatened directions of the network on balloons. In which all the Kyrgyz Republic will fly away.
      Have you ever been to the sea? If so, where did you get such ... uh ... fantasies ???? It is strange that you have not yet proposed to "dig in" the ships !!!! laughing
      1. -1
        28 September 2019 09: 54
        Zrk OSA on Ustinov 2 pcs so she is called in the Navy))) can certainly not inclined))). According to the instructions on air defense, air defense should be as effective as possible, and all zos are used in the cyclogram. In TTX, the air defense system is written and the program has goals up to 700 m.s. Networks can be pulled in threatened directions within the coastline to cover bases and coastal facilities. PRS speed 1000 m.s. I specifically wrote about the self-defense missile defense systems of the PRS ships they will not be able to shoot down (.
      2. -1
        28 September 2019 10: 12
        There are boats where there is no air defense system, there is an AU, and they even take up duty on air defense, you probably served as a cook in the fleet or at headquarters))). And something was heard about the ISA and the cyclogram about the ship, according to which they do not shoot at the PRS.
  8. -1
    26 September 2019 09: 11
    There is still a limitation on the use of ship weapons for sea waves. Theoretically, in a strong storm, ships will not be able to fight back.
  9. +3
    26 September 2019 09: 14
    Dave Majumdar, whom we deserve ...
  10. 0
    26 September 2019 09: 45
    This "belt", represented by two tiers of 16 pulsed micro rocket engines

    Has anyone seen it firsthand?
  11. +2
    26 September 2019 10: 24
    Anti-aircraft missile 9M96E2: launch weight 440 kg, range 120 km, altitude from 5 to 30000 m, available overload 65g, Ku-band "Slate" AGRLS (1,67-2,5 cm), two-way radio channel for data exchange is a good thing.
  12. -1
    26 September 2019 10: 26
    A few notes on the subject
    The issue of air defense is too complex and rests on the criteria for the adoption of ACS decisions on the use of one or another type of missile in a specific situation. Shooting S-300 at Harpoon-class missiles is wasteful and will lead to the exhaustion of ammunition, designed more to repel aircraft attacks.
    S-350 with ARGS still requires the use of a target designation channel. And I’m not sure that this channel is unloaded before the target is hit upon the capture of the ARGS target, especially with a small target capture range with an EPR = 0,01 m2. The possibility of hitting the target behind the hills, but how likely is this scenario in real conditions. The only thing that remains is the plus of the high available overload of the S-350 due to lateral thrust engines, but this does not apply to the type of guidance.
    1. +1
      26 September 2019 17: 22
      Quote: Pavel57
      ... especially with a small capture range on the target with an EPR = 0,01m2 ..

      And what is this capture range? Maybe she is not small?
      1. -1
        26 September 2019 19: 15
        I think for a rocket with an EPR of 0.01 m2 - 5-7 km.
        1. +1
          26 September 2019 19: 25
          Quote: Pavel57
          I think for a rocket with an EPR of 0.01 m2 - 5-7 km.

          Pavel57 (Gf)! For a target with RCS = 0,01 m2, the range of capture of the Ku-band "Slate" AGRLS (1,67-2,5 cm) D = 14,957 km, i.e. about 15 km.
          1. +1
            27 September 2019 00: 11
            Everyone hopes that you have proven sources.)))
            1. -3
              28 September 2019 08: 26
              Oh yes, there are such sources, sources to all sources)) laughing
              The main thing is not to argue with him, otherwise you suddenly become a Jew. Why? I don’t know lol
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    2. +1
      28 September 2019 12: 20
      Pavel57 (Gf)! The energy potential of the "Slate" ARGSN allows you to capture a target with an RCS of 0.3 m2 at a distance of up to 35 km. Data taken from the source: https://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/bukm3/bukm3.shtml. This ARGSN is also used on the 9M317M anti-aircraft missile in the package, the Buk-M3 complex.
  13. 0
    1 October 2019 00: 17
    Medium and long-range air defense systems M-22 “Hurricane” is a soiled beech?
  14. 0
    1 October 2019 00: 21
    And on "Petra" - according to the standard 5B55 or 40H6? I think 40s is better than 55x or am I wrong?
  15. 0
    1 October 2019 00: 26
    Well, with NSM (180-250 km). who will let them launch it? LRASM (800-900 km) -will not show up and be destroyed at such a distance
  16. Geo
    0
    1 October 2019 23: 35
    air targets hiding behind the sea radio horizon or elevations of the terrain located at a distance of about 5-50 km from the coast of islands or continents.
    the theme of the peninsulas is unsolved
    1. Geo
      0
      2 October 2019 00: 04
      Quote: Geo
      the theme of the peninsulas is unsolved

      and the author also withheld from the reader the situation with ocean, lake and river radio horizons, not to mention the radio horizons of bays, estuaries, estuaries, fjords, old ladies, etc.

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