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History of denunciations in the Stalin era and myths about the intelligentsia

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More than 60 years have passed since the date of Stalin's death, but still professional historians, amateur historians, and people who consider themselves historians continue to argue heatedly about what this era has more - pluses or minuses.




On the Day TV channel, material was released in which the issue of denunciations was one of the cornerstones. In the Stalin era, they are known to be enough. So what is the issue under consideration? Who wrote these denunciations, and what was the purpose of this?

A lot of pages are devoted to this topic in the writings of historians. In particular, groups of scammers stand out. At the same time, it is assumed that one of the most numerous groups was employees (including military personnel), creative intelligentsia. "Rolled" denunciations against each other, as is believed, in order to ensure their own career advancement. However, career advancement might not have taken place for the reason that behind the scammer there was already another interested person.

In the issue, Andrei Fursov and Nikolai Sapelkin in detail analyze myths related to history about informing, about the Soviet intelligentsia. The situation of representatives of the Soviet intelligentsia, which, as broadcast in the initial period of the formation of the Country of Soviets, "ceased to exist as a class," is also considered.

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  1. fruit_cake
    fruit_cake 24 September 2019 20: 30
    +12
    in the west, everyone denounces each other, the police are called in any case, they put signs with the words "they report to the police here" and after that they yell about the fact that in the USSR everyone was knocking on each other, truly a civilization of lies and fools
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 24 September 2019 20: 43
      +8
      considering themselves historians, they continue to argue heatedly about what this era has more - pluses or minuses.

      Does anyone argue about the era? They argue, but not even argue, but give facts that people achieved in the era of Stalin. As one can argue about the pros and cons, it is clear that the hardest time was for the country and hardly anyone would want to live at that time. Another question is what our grandfathers and great-grandfathers managed to achieve in such difficult years.
      Stalin turned the backward agrarian country into a superpower, while simultaneously winning the bloodiest war in the history of mankind .. He managed to rebuild the entire USSR.
      It makes no sense even to compare with the current "effective managers" .. for their fate under Stalin would have been definite and just.
      And denunciations, they have always been and will be .. such is the essence of man ..
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 24 September 2019 21: 04
        -15
        Again "Svarog" came for asterisks request

        Quote: Svarog
        the hardest time was for the country and hardly anyone would want to live at that time

        Cool. "Svarog", you all write that a "new Stalin" is needed, but you do not want to live in the days of Stalin.

        Are you confused in your thoughts, or what didn’t I understand?

        Quote: Svarog
        And denunciations, they have always been and will be .. such is the essence of man ..

        Um ... know comments, as they say laughing
        1. novel66
          novel66 24 September 2019 21: 10
          +4
          well, some have an almost physiological need lol
        2. Svarog
          Svarog 24 September 2019 21: 14
          +8
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          Cool. "Svarog", you all write that a "new Stalin" is needed, but you do not want to live in the days of Stalin.

          After the fall of the monarchy, 14% of the population was educated in Russia, the average life expectancy was 37 years, everyday syphilis is a ubiquitous phenomenon .. in general, there were many "delights" and the fact that they are not now, the merit of Stalin and the socialists .. it is clear that to live in those days I would not want to .. And now they want to return us to those funny times .. Have you heard, probably, one of your patrons, suggests that after three classes in general education should be paid?

          And denunciations, they have always been and will be .. such is the essence of man ..

          Um ... know comments, as they say laughing

          Yeah, you would have succeeded in the days of Stalin laughing really not for long laughing
          1. Monster_Fat
            Monster_Fat 24 September 2019 21: 24
            +4
            Cool. In fact, a scammer is a common phenomenon all over the world. For example, in the United States for some time now, "whistle blowing" has become mandatory for all citizens and is enshrined in the "Patriotic Pact" ..... In Germany, you can earn money on "whistle-blowing" - there is a "scammer" about a hidden offense and willing to witness an offense, receives a premium and a percentage of the amount of the claim recovered from the offender .... And in Russia .... and in Russia, they simply get pleasure from denunciations, like "cool that" from a neighbor, not from me, a cow in the barn burned down ".... there, even here on the site, under each post there is a" magic knock button "-" Complaint "(Report to the Moderator) ..... wink
            1. puskarinkis
              puskarinkis 25 September 2019 01: 35
              +1
              Denunciation is when the informer tries to remain anonymous and possibly slander. (As it seems to me) You can pay for information about an offense, as in the West, or build a society where reporting violations will be the mental impulse of any citizen. But, in any case, for this, first you need to write such laws that will ensure safety and citizens will want to comply with them. And the authorities must ensure the prosperity of all (or the overwhelming majority) of citizens and the inevitability of punishment for criminals. In our reality, laws are often written not in the interests of the people, therefore, it is easier for real offenders and criminals to come to an agreement with the authorities than the same authorities, with their own people. So it turns out that you can convey to the same "survivor" (sucker), like yourself! The rest, one way or another, buy / pay for the "roof" or maintain it. Who's as lucky ...
          2. Cat man null
            Cat man null 24 September 2019 21: 25
            -7
            Quote: Svarog
            it is clear that I would not want to live in those days ..

            Well, here's a confirmation ... so why do you need a "new Stalin", "Svarog"?

            Quote: Svarog
            you would succeed in the days of Stalin

            I am not bad at any time - I am not afraid of work, and I work honestly ... "Svarog" yes
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 24 September 2019 22: 00
              +11
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              I am not bad at any time - I am not afraid of work, and I work honestly ... "Svarog"

              Do you want to say that all unemployed in Russia are afraid of work? Or maybe it simply doesn’t exist, or doesn’t they want to destroy health for a penny? The habit of thinking only about yourself is selfishness and arrogance .. and breeds, indulges these qualities, just capitalism. Thus, you say that everyone is for himself, but for some reason, when there is a need for the support of the masses, you immediately remember the high.
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              Well, here's a confirmation ... so why do you need a "new Stalin", "Svarog"?


              The country and the people need Stalin so that the country would cease to be a "gas station", that the people would have the opportunity to be proud of the country and that there would be social justice. The country needs a socially oriented leader, a patriot of Russia.
              1. Cat man null
                Cat man null 24 September 2019 22: 17
                -10
                Quote: Svarog
                Stalin is needed by the country and the people, so that the country would cease to be a "gas station", that the people would have the opportunity to be proud of the country and that there would be social justice ...

                ... this is not Stalin, but Old Man Hottabych is needed. And then - under Stalin, you’ll have to work, and you, apart from talking, are no longer capable of anything request

                Quote: Svarog
                Do you want to say that all unemployed in Russia are afraid of work?

                No I do not want to. Do not spin, you hit laughing

                Quote: Svarog
                The habit of thinking only about yourself is selfishness and arrogance ..

                How do you know what I’m thinking about ... and, yes - you will be the last one whose opinion on this subject interests me ... guess three times - why wink
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 24 September 2019 23: 10
                  +3
                  Quote: Cat Man Null
                  it’s not Stalin, but Old Man Hottabych is needed. And then - under Stalin, you’ll have to work, and you, apart from talking, are no longer capable of anything

                  Roman, today I’ve taken up the next coven. There is enough money to pay for utilities. And then my mother was completely blind after the operation. I saw it before the operation. The same zvizdets full.
                  1. Cat man null
                    Cat man null 24 September 2019 23: 36
                    -3
                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    The same zvizdets full

                    Vladimir, I'm not a doctor. There is a subsidy for housing and communal services, I, being unemployed, made it for myself. True, it was a long time ago, as now with this - I do not know. Like this request
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 24 September 2019 23: 44
                      +5
                      Quote: Cat Man Null
                      Vladimir, I'm not a doctor.

                      I know that you are not a dohtur, but I also remember what boards were in the housing and communal services in the USSR.
                      Quote: Cat Man Null
                      subsidy

                      I don’t have any subsidy. It seems that I’ll get my black pistol, and I’ll start it on my forehead ... Or I’ll go, and I’ll give someone on the forehead ... Or in the forehead ... Longing ...
                      1. beeper
                        beeper 17 November 2019 14: 10
                        +1
                        Comrade Mordvin 3, I hope you are still alive ?!
                        Please, do not put a bullet in your forehead - this is, firstly, unconstructive and, secondly, 100% harmful to your health! In no case do not succumb to decadent moods and the illusion of "the easiest way out"!
                        You, your loved ones (and the blind Mom, first of all!) Need you and all of us, your compatriots!
                        Live and fight for yourself and for your loved ones, in spite of all the blows of Fate, the intrigues of enemies and the concerns of the "native capitalist power"!
                        Himself more than once found himself in such a position and decadent hopelessness that "even a bullet in the forehead", but at the very last moment, anger at himself appeared to the one who lost his faith and "raised with Hurray!" learned from Soviet childhood "Russians don't give up!" and "You're lying, you won't take it!" wink
                        Of course, it is better when, at such a decisive moment in life and death, next to a person who is drooping (in strength and in his thoughts) turns out to be another caring person who does not let him fall into "problem-free" oblivion! But it is possible to get out of this state on your own, if you are able to "turn on" your Consciousness at full power!
                        Hold on, Comrade Mordvin, don't give up! Ancient Persian wisdom says so to all of us:
                        "Each dark night ends with light, and in the very hopelessness there are two hundred hopes!" Believe me, it really is !!!
          3. Plantagenet
            Plantagenet 24 September 2019 22: 18
            -2
            "You've probably heard that one of your patrons offers to make education in general after three classes?"

            From 1940 to 1956 in the USSR, tuition fees for high school and high schools were introduced.
            1. Mavrikiy
              Mavrikiy 26 September 2019 12: 09
              0
              Quote: Plantagenet
              “Probably, you heard one of your patrons, suggests that after three grades education should be paid in general?” From 1940 to 1956, tuition fees were introduced in the USSR in the senior classes of schools and universities.

              Partial payment, 150 rub. per year, well ......?
          4. TAMBU
            TAMBU 24 September 2019 23: 14
            +1
            then there were no socialists ... there were communists who, in order to get a membership card by modern standards, had to become something around the head of a small research institute, because in the shortest possible time they had to master and study not only their specialization but also philosophy and economics to understand the movement of the party ... and then the senior comrades also pass the exam ... before the war, as I understand it, they passed units all over the country ...
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        3. Geo
          Geo 24 September 2019 22: 53
          -2
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          Um ...


          ABOUT! And here many say that the topic of denunciations is very close to you.
          Please explain your motivation and describe the feelings.
          We carry out, so to speak, the preparation of an individual having deviations corresponding to the topic of the article.
          1. novel66
            novel66 24 September 2019 23: 11
            0
            and the preparation will not break ?? smacks of cheap stuff
            1. Geo
              Geo 25 September 2019 00: 11
              -1
              I do not understand your emotions. Is this character close to you, or the topic of denunciations?
          2. Cat man null
            Cat man null 24 September 2019 23: 13
            -6
            Quote: Geo
            We carry out, so to speak, preparation of an individual ...

            For a freshman, you are too impudent. As a torpedo - just cheap stuff. But you paid my attention to yourself, one way or another yes
            1. Geo
              Geo 25 September 2019 00: 02
              -2
              Those. Do you refuse to serve science?
              1. Cat man null
                Cat man null 25 September 2019 00: 07
                -4
                Quote: Geo
                Those. Do you refuse to serve science?

                I will give you a chance to serve her. This, IMHO, will be more interesting.
                1. Geo
                  Geo 25 September 2019 23: 43
                  +3
                  Total: 8 out of 18 people who rated my comment about your likely deviations understand what I'm talking about yes . And this, for a minute, 44%. Almost every second.
                  Did you suspect that the scale of the disaster is so great?
      2. nikvic46
        nikvic46 26 September 2019 06: 08
        +1
        Vladimir Denunciations have always been and will be. Another question is the reaction of organs to these denunciations.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 24 September 2019 23: 10
      +6
      Quote: fruit_cake
      in the west, everyone is telling each other

      I experienced it in my own skin.
    3. Vend
      Vend 25 September 2019 09: 59
      0
      professional historians, amateur historians and people who consider themselves historians continue to argue heatedly about what this era has more - pluses or minuses.
      This is a stupid argument for any era. Everyone is close to him and does not want to concede.
  2. Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 24 September 2019 20: 33
    +3
    related to the story of denunciation, of the Soviet intelligentsia.

    And what do these have to do with the Army? request
  3. Nikolay87
    Nikolay87 24 September 2019 20: 55
    +1
    It's funny, just today I watched the new TubusShow video and there he focused on the word "denunciation".
    1. TAMBU
      TAMBU 24 September 2019 23: 16
      +2
      that's the same) ... it's not bad, he parses this "work" Dudya in fragments ...
  4. lucul
    lucul 24 September 2019 21: 19
    -1
    More than 60 years have passed since the date of Stalin's death, but still professional historians, amateur historians, and people who consider themselves historians continue to argue heatedly about what this era has more - pluses or minuses.

    Yes, everything is simple here - for Russians - plus, for Jews - minus.
    On disputes on forums on this topic, it is also very easy to determine to which people the arguing belongs))))
  5. Van 16
    Van 16 24 September 2019 22: 09
    +7
    It is not for us to judge who, on whom, how much has informed, another time, another life. And in fact, under Stalin, the country took a huge step forward in industry, culture, science, defense, health, education, and the social sphere. And people had prospects and a future, which is very small now.
    1. Plantagenet
      Plantagenet 24 September 2019 22: 25
      -9
      "It is not for us to judge who, on whom, how much he reported, another time, another life."

      “If during the time of mass landings, for example, in Leningrad, when a quarter of the city was planted, people would not be sitting according to their minks, dying with horror with every slam of the front door and steps on the stairs, - but they would understand that they have nothing left to lose, and in their front halls, several people with axes, hammers, pokers would cheerfully do ambushes, what will happen? After all, it’s known in advance that these night capes do not go with good intentions - you won’t be so mistaken, having grunted your murderer.

      Or that funnel with a lonely chauffeur, who remained on the street - to steal it or pierce the ramps. Bodies would quickly be missed by employees and rolling stock, and despite Stalin's thirst, the damned car would stop!

      If ... if ... We just deserve everything further. "

      A.I.Solzhenitsyn
      1. TAMBU
        TAMBU 24 September 2019 23: 17
        +5
        Solzhenitsyn - oh yes ... the authoritative opinion of a pathological liar ... fu ...
      2. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 24 September 2019 23: 35
        0
        Quote: Plantagenet
        Bodies would quickly be missed by employees and rolling stock

        Verbiage. And then the rolling stock?
      3. Revival
        Revival 25 September 2019 00: 01
        +3
        A quarter of Leningrad planted !?
        1. Van 16
          Van 16 25 September 2019 00: 38
          +1
          Ah, one in four, including children and the elderly. That's why the faiths of Solzhenitsyn and K are penniless, they write whatever they get.
      4. MrK
        MrK 25 September 2019 21: 04
        0
        If you want to know why the sex of Leningrad was arrested, read the article STALIN REPRESSIONS OF THE 30 OF THE YEARS. ARE YOU SURE THAT THEY ARE STALIN? http://www.proza.ru/2017/06/13/60
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 24 September 2019 23: 11
      +1
      Quote: Van 16
      It’s not for us to judge who, on whom, how much has informed, another time, another life

      And now ?
      1. Van 16
        Van 16 25 September 2019 00: 15
        +1
        Now ... now denunciations are also being promoted. I have a complicated attitude towards this, it is one thing if I informed the impending terrorist attack, it is quite another if I was guarding a hard worker, a turner who, at lunch, turned a couple of bolts for himself at home. Something like this ..
  6. Flatter
    Flatter 25 September 2019 12: 37
    0
    The Bolsheviks brought discipline in society after revolutions, civil wars, and small-town gangs, and this was done through famous people who, in a calm time, would give much for their closeness to power. , for which they honor and praise.
  7. nikvic46
    nikvic46 26 September 2019 06: 24
    +1
    The task of society is not to turn history inside out, but to draw the necessary conclusions for itself. You can focus on repression, or you can close your eyes as if they were not there. I agree that there is an ideological struggle against the West. But we must be clean before the future generation. Otherwise, it will relate to us as we relate to the past. History is a stubborn thing. And it does not forgive those who bend it for themselves.
  8. Old26
    Old26 26 September 2019 14: 21
    +2
    Quote: Svarog
    Do you want to say that all unemployed in Russia are afraid of work? Or maybe it simply doesn’t exist, or doesn’t they want to destroy health for a penny?

    No, they are not afraid. Well, you yourself write, they do not want to ruin health for a penny. Some may not even want "for a penny". And some are happy with this situation. It is quite possible for a person aged 30-40 to get a job. The same construction worker. Not prestigious? Yes. Well, when there is a choice - who prevents you from taking care of yourself. No uncle will come and tell you to come to him and he is ready to pay you a pretty decent salary. This will not happen.
    Yes, you can't get a high-paying job immediately after being "unemployed". But what prevents you from getting a job, getting a salary, and not an allowance, and, if necessary, looking for the future?

    Quote: Svarog
    The habit of thinking only about yourself is selfishness and arrogance .. and breeds, indulges these qualities, just capitalism.

    And what, someone will think for me? Think about my family's income? About the future of my grandchildren? I worked for 2 decades in a budget organization. In an area like culture. Salaries there were and are scanty. I don’t know how much they get now, but 5-6 years ago a person in the position of a leading specialist received with all the allowances and for an expanded amount of work 9, a maximum of 10 thousand.
    And when I was "retired" I started looking for a job. Found by specialty. I tried to "drag" some of my colleagues, so they don't need it. It is necessary that no one "touched" them and they would sit quietly from 9 to 18. You can do nothing or almost nothing. Or do it with little effort. Anyway, they know that they will receive 5 and 20 pennies. They don’t want to change jobs to the one where you have to spin around and not sit all day.
    Why did the fact that I made this decision for myself aimed at the well-being of the family suddenly become a sign of selfishness and arrogance ???? So you can say to the "public" that you think about the well-being of millions, but in reality - you think first of all about yourself and your loved ones.

    As for the informers in the 30s - what to do. Words cannot be ejected from a song. It was in the history of our country.

    Quote: Mordvin 3
    Roman, today I’ve taken up the next coven.

    And I have been doing a coven, namesake, for the fifth day. The chief called, set the task to be done urgently. He gave the command to postpone all his work for a week (time is still enduring) and to do extra urgent work. For a week, I keep exclusively on coffee and a little on cognac. About 20 hours a day (I mostly try to work at night). Tomorrow I'm going to "give up". What is there to do? True, the pay is almost my monthly wage. You can then rest for three or four days.

    Quote: Cat Man Null
    Vladimir, I'm not a doctor. There is a subsidy for housing and communal services, I, being unemployed, made it for myself. True, it was a long time ago, as now with this - I do not know. Like this

    She is now. Previously, when he worked in the budget in the late 90s and early 2000s, he designed it for himself. But now they give it only to those with very low salary. There are some calculations of their own ...
  9. Edward Nigmati
    Edward Nigmati 16 October 2019 02: 07
    0
    "the situation of the representatives of the Soviet intelligentsia, which, as they said in the initial period of the formation of the Land of Soviets," ceased to exist as a class. "

    Hmm. In fact, in the class theory of Marxism, the intelligentsia was never considered a separate class and therefore could never cease to exist as a class. Moreover, this was never broadcast during the period of the formation of the Land of the Soviets, because in journalism of that time and in the government there were literate Marxists who understood that the intelligentsia is a form of activity and the performers of this activity are recruited from different classes. Hence the term "interclass layer".