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Italy decided to launch satellites into space using fighter jets

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Italy plans to significantly reduce the cost of launching small satellites into space, abandoning traditional launch vehicles in favor of fighters. As reported "Nplus1"Several companies together with the military will be involved in the development of a new satellite launch system.




According to the publication, a framework agreement on the joint development of a satellite launch system using fighter planes was signed by the National Research Council, the Italian Air Force Command, Sapienza University of Rome and Sitael. In addition to them, the project will also involve 18 research organizations and Italian companies. At the first stage, it is planned to analyze the feasibility of the project, after which research will be carried out, etc.

The terms of the program are not called, the final result of the project should be prototypes of the system, ready for testing.

As stated, the new system will be used to launch small reconnaissance and communications vehicles into space. The Eurofighter Typhoon fighter was chosen as the basis for the new system.

It should be noted that Italians are not the first to set about developing a system for launching satellites into space using fighters. A similar system was developed in the USA in 2014-2015 years (ALASA project). The Americans chose the F-15 Eagle fighter as the main platform, launching a rocket that would already launch satellites weighing up to 45 kilograms into orbit. However, in 2015, the program was closed after two consecutive missile launches.

As previously noted, if the ALASA project was successful, the cost of launching one satellite using a fighter would be less than 1 million.

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  1. Vladimir Vladimir_2
    Vladimir Vladimir_2 24 September 2019 15: 40
    -5
    Very interesting good Well done Italians will carry out the idea and will raise the loot yes
    1. Shuttle
      Shuttle 24 September 2019 15: 47
      -1
      Quote: Vladimir Vladimir_2
      Very interesting good Well done Italians will carry out the idea and will raise the loot yes

      Yeah, schaz! Them NASA, DARPA, Musk Trump will not allow it. American space budget eaters are anyone, but not fools.
      1. Vladimir Vladimir_2
        Vladimir Vladimir_2 24 September 2019 15: 54
        +1
        Competition is the engine of development wink Those who are not afraid of her know how to move forward wink
        1. Shuttle
          Shuttle 24 September 2019 16: 01
          +3
          Quote: Vladimir Vladimir_2
          Competition is the engine of development wink Those who do not fightь they are able to move forward wink

          The engine of development is experience plus a sharp mind. In sum - the mind. Whoever does not have one and competition will not help. And whoever has them, and competition will not hurt.
          1. Vladimir Vladimir_2
            Vladimir Vladimir_2 24 September 2019 16: 04
            0
            Do you approve from personal experience?
            1. Shuttle
              Shuttle 24 September 2019 17: 46
              +4
              Quote: Vladimir Vladimir_2
              Do you approve from personal experience?

              What do you? The Lord is with you! Exclusively on the historical.
              The competition of Mann, Daimler, Porsche and others did not allow the Germans at the time, having a much more powerful engineering base, mechanical engineering and technology traditions, to get more armored firing targets than the Red Army. Created, created a prodigy, but for some reason did not have time. But in the USSR they organized not competition, but socialist competition, a win-win race of brains, rationalization proposals, innovations. As a result, they got what they needed to win.
              About the same thing can be said, for example, about the nuclear project. Yes, the Americans were the leaders in their time, but without any competition, Soviet engineers created the uranium enrichment technology much more effective from all points of view than the Americans. As a result, it had a positive effect on reducing the cost of enrichment, on the quality of the resulting product, and on the current state of things with enrichment in the world.
              The same applies to the UES of Russia, which is a stub of the Soviet Union. The one that Megavolt-Chubais "reformed", but could not break it willingly or unwillingly. It was made so strong by applying reason, i.e. sharp mind combined with realized experience.
              But the Americans do not have such a ring system of mutual support, because competition does not contribute to such things.
              This is not to say that competition is harmful. Not at all. It's me that competition is not omnipotent.
      2. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 24 September 2019 16: 06
        +4
        Launch of satellites - 3/4 private business. No budgets or subsidies. Satellite operators pay cash to rocket manufacturers.
        1. Vladimir16
          Vladimir16 24 September 2019 16: 51
          +3
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Satellite operators pay cash to rocket manufacturers.

          Is it right in cash?
          Did the bags help? Or suitcases? Xerox boxes were previously popular. wink
          And directly to the rocket manufacturers say?

          But what about any cosmodromes there? They are thrown? wassat Harey didn’t come out? laughing

          Well, dear man, Zelensky is not a showman in front of you, but only the president. laughing
          With all my heart to you love
          Have fun. good
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 24 September 2019 17: 03
            +1
            "Cash" in the West is called a non-delayed payment: a bank transfer of the entire amount to today's date. smile
      3. Zeev Zeev
        Zeev Zeev 24 September 2019 16: 35
        0
        Strange, and Trump does not interfere with launching Vega missiles.
    2. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 24 September 2019 16: 22
      -4
      Quote: Vladimir Vladimir_2
      will raise salvage

      Schazzzz. Who will let them into such a market
  2. iConst
    iConst 24 September 2019 15: 49
    +2
    This is probably only possible for low orbit.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 24 September 2019 16: 00
      +2
      For low orbit and light satellite. But there is already a private company, Rocket Lab, which launches an Electron rocket from the ground for just 6 million from New Zealand.
      1. iConst
        iConst 24 September 2019 16: 01
        +1
        In this case, our 31st may well be suitable for this.
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 24 September 2019 16: 24
          0
          Quote: iConst
          In this case, our 31st may well be suitable for this.

          They discussed it yesterday
        2. Avis-bis
          Avis-bis 24 September 2019 16: 56
          0
          Quote: iConst
          In this case, our 31st may well be suitable for this.

          For Tu-160 there was such a project - "Burlak". For lighter satellites, the MiG-31 is quite real.
  3. 4ybys
    4ybys 24 September 2019 15: 50
    +7
    An anti-satellite missile was developed in the USSR. Currently, there are prototypes based on the Mig-31 with the ability to launch into orbit. But for some reason, no one talks about the military purpose of these developments, neither here, especially in the West, and this is nothing more than a ready-made means of delivery to the satellite’s orbit. By the way, the aircraft Ruslan, Antei and Mriya were also designed to launch rather large space objects into orbit, but the fight against the malignant regime put an end to the striving into space and returned it to manure, because it was not necessary to protrude from this substance.
    1. Vladimir Vladimir_2
      Vladimir Vladimir_2 24 September 2019 16: 03
      +1
      And where does the struggle with the regime? The Italians conceived a good thing that, if successful, could bring good money for their country good Well done there is something to learn from them winked
      1. Avis-bis
        Avis-bis 24 September 2019 17: 03
        0
        Quote: Vladimir Vladimir_2
        if successful, will be able to bring good money for his country good Well done there is something to learn from them winked

        Something at "Pegasus" business is not very fun.
        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Пегас_(ракета-носитель)#Список_пусков

        And the old L-1011 is clearly cheaper in operation than the Typhoon.
    2. Avis-bis
      Avis-bis 24 September 2019 16: 59
      +1
      Quote: 4ybys
      By the way, the planes Ruslan, Antei and Mriya were also developed to launch quite large space objects into orbit

      No. The An-22 was not generally considered in this capacity. And An-124 was created as transport aircraft. An-124 - for military transport, and An-225 - for the transportation of "Buran" and "Energia" units. It was only later (at the beginning of the 1990s) that they began to invent an application for them as an atmospheric stage: An-225 for MAKS, and An-124 - "Air Launch". But it all ended in nothing.
      1. Freeman
        Freeman 24 September 2019 17: 31
        0
        Quote: Avis-bis
        Quote: 4ybys
        By the way, the planes Ruslan, Antei and Mriya were also developed to launch quite large space objects into orbit

        No. The An-22 was not generally considered in this capacity. And An-124 was created as transport aircraft. An-124 - for military transport, and An-225 - for the transportation of "Buran" and "Energia" units. It was only later (in the early 1990s) that they began to invent for them the application as an atmospheric step: An-225 for MAKS, and An-124 for Air Launch. But it all ended in nothing.


        Yes, as it were, they began to "invent" a little earlier. Back in the 60s.
        Project "Spiral" / https://topwar.ru/1515-istoriya-programmy-spiral.html / hi

        1. Avis-bis
          Avis-bis 25 September 2019 06: 40
          0
          Quote: Freeman

          Yes, as it were, they began to "invent" a little earlier. Back in the 60s.
          Project "Spiral"

          What does "Spiral" have to do with talking about the hypothetical use of the An-124 / -225 as an "atmospheric stage"?
          1. Freeman
            Freeman 25 September 2019 08: 27
            0
            Quote: Avis-bis
            Quote: Freeman

            Yes, as it were, they began to "invent" a little earlier. Back in the 60s.
            Project "Spiral"

            What does "Spiral" have to do with it in a conversation about the hypothetical application of An-124 / -225 as an "atmospheric stage"?

            In direct. The MAX project grew out of the Spiral.
            1. Avis-bis
              Avis-bis 25 September 2019 08: 44
              0
              Quote: Freeman
              Quote: Avis-bis
              Quote: Freeman

              Yes, as it were, they began to "invent" a little earlier. Back in the 60s.
              Project "Spiral"

              What does "Spiral" have to do with it in a conversation about the hypothetical application of An-124 / -225 as an "atmospheric stage"?

              In direct. The MAX project grew out of the Spiral.

              Wipe your eyes. "4ybys" wrote that An-124 and -225 were developed to launch the spacecraft. I objected that they invented this function much later, initially no one envisioned such use. "Spiral" has nothing to do with it. Learn to read Russian.
  4. Operator
    Operator 24 September 2019 15: 58
    -2
    A big surprise awaits Makaronnikov - a place under the sun has already been taken by the MiG-31 laughing
    1. Pavel57
      Pavel57 24 September 2019 16: 07
      +2
      Not yet busy, but Italians can move to use the MiG-31 in commercial projects.
  5. bald
    bald 24 September 2019 16: 31
    0
    And there’s something in it, given the launch of a small load into orbits.
  6. Old26
    Old26 24 September 2019 18: 58
    +2
    Quote: Shuttle
    Quote: Vladimir Vladimir_2
    Very interesting good Well done Italians will carry out the idea and will raise the loot yes

    Yeah, schaz! Them NASA, DARPA, Musk Trump will not allow it. American space budget eaters are anyone, but not fools.

    Italy is part of ESA, so NASA and others are out of business. To wait, when your mini-satellite will be launched to you and at the same time depend on many factors - for them this is no longer an option.

    Customers will pay for the withdrawal "on time" and as quickly as possible, and not wait for the load of a hundred minisatellites for the "large launch vehicle"

    Quote: Lipchanin
    Schazzzz. Who will let them into such a market

    And they are in this market. And the launch market for mini and microsatellites is growing year by year and is developing very poorly. In this area, while demand exceeds supply ..

    Quote: Avis-bis
    Quote: iConst
    In this case, our 31st may well be suitable for this.

    For Tu-160 there was such a project - "Burlak". For lighter satellites, the MiG-31 is quite real.

    Aircraft carriers are an option, but not a full solution. The most popular market right now is the market for lightweight and ultra-lightweight carriers. There are not so many competitors - in the next 3-4 years the market can be divided between about 10 "operators". of which 6 have either tested their carriers or are already working. But in 2023, we expect the market for micro and nano satellites in about 2000 per year and a turnover in this market of about $ 1,7 billion. We have a company with ready-made designs of ultralight rockets - the Lin Industrial company. But it has a super-strong competitor - Roscosmos. Which "does not din himself, and I will not give to another."
    And the prices in this market are about the following. On solar-synchronous from a little more than 30 thousand dollars per kilogram for us and for New Zealanders, up to 45-48 thousand per kilogram for Americans. The Chinese are dumping - they have from 11 to 20 thousand dollars per kilogram. But so far they are not pushing shoulders in this market. so the main thing is not to be late "for the train"

    Quote: Freeman
    Yes, as it were, they began to "invent" a little earlier. Back in the 60s.

    As a demonstrator of winged ship technology, yes. As a real project, no. Even now, it cannot be implemented as an initial project. Using media only. And then we are talking about rocket carrier aircraft, with which satellites can be launched

    Quote: Operator
    A big surprise awaits Makaronnikov - a place under the sun has already been taken by the MiG-31 laughing

    While we are swinging for use in the civilian sector of the MIGs, they will already be working hard. Who else will be a surprise - is unknown
  7. gvozdan
    gvozdan 24 September 2019 20: 02
    0
    For such a project, you need a special aircraft with good carrying capacity and thrust-weight ratio. Mig31 in this regard is good with engines and a record of the dynamic ceiling of his fellow mig25 on almost 37 km
  8. Old26
    Old26 24 September 2019 20: 26
    +2
    Quote: gvozdan
    For such a project, you need a special aircraft with good carrying capacity and thrust-weight ratio. Mig31 in this regard is good with engines and a record of the dynamic ceiling of his fellow mig25 on almost 37 km

    Record - this is a specially prepared aircraft, with virtually no load. With a rocket to launch the satellite, he will climb to a height half smaller. There may be an aviation version of the withdrawal and is considered more mobile, but this is compared with the classic launch vehicles. Here, in addition to everything, the price is not only the missile itself, but also the operational costs of the aircraft. The use of ultralight missiles IMHO is now the best option. Moreover, Italians have no problems where to let them in. Specialized stationary starts are not necessary. Minimum infrastructure reduced compared to stationary staff. Sicily is not densely populated with them, they can let it out
    1. Town Hall
      Town Hall 24 September 2019 20: 38
      +1
      Quote: Old26
      Sicily is not densely populated with them, they can let it out

      Sicily is an administrative region in Italy with an area of ​​25 km² and a population of 832,39 (5-092-732)
      Density
      197,15 people / km²

      Well yes .. practically a desert
    2. Avis-bis
      Avis-bis 25 September 2019 06: 43
      0
      Quote: Old26
      Sicily is not densely populated with them, they can let it out

      Let them return to their floating spaceport. Everywhere closer to the equator.
  9. Old26
    Old26 24 September 2019 20: 43
    +2
    Quote: Town Hall
    Quote: Old26
    Sicily is not densely populated with them, they can let it out

    Sicily is an administrative region in Italy with an area of ​​25 km² and a population of 832,39 (5-092-732)
    Density
    197,15 people / km²

    Well yes .. practically a desert

    Well, not as tight as the "boot"
    1. Town Hall
      Town Hall 24 September 2019 20: 46
      +1
      Quote: Old26
      Well, not as tight as the "boot"

      Yes, how to say ...
      Italy
      Population
      • Evaluation (2019)
      ▼ 60 588 366 [3] people. (23rd)
      • Census (2011)
      59 570 581 [4] people
      • density
      201,1 people / km² (43rd)