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In the State Duma of the Russian Federation, Estonia’s view of liberation from the Nazis was called "historical heresy"

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The Russian State Duma sharply criticized Estonia’s position regarding the liberation of the republic from Nazi occupation. Earlier in Tallinn, they stated that they considered the actions of the USSR as occupational.




Estonia considers the actions of the Soviet Union during the Great Patriotic War as an occupation. In turn, in the State Duma of the Russian Federation, such a view of the events of those years caused a sharp rejection.

The chain of events was launched by the Estonian Foreign Ministry, which reacted to the publication by the Russian Foreign Ministry of documents about the Second World War. Tallinn stated that it does not consider the defeat of the Wehrmacht army on its territory as liberation from the invaders, and considers the country to have suffered both from "both Nazi Germany and the occupation of the USSR." The words of the Estonian Foreign Ministry lead RIA News.

In turn, Estonia’s statements were sharply reacted by the State Duma. Deputy Dmitry Novikov in an interview with Russia Today noted that a look at historical the events of those years there can be only one.

Fascism is an absolute evil, and its main winner is the USSR, a country that liberated both Estonia and other republics, which were part of the Soviet Union at that time, and a number of countries in Eastern Europe.

In turn, the deputy Leonid Slutsky called blasphemy the equating of the USSR with Nazi Germany, and also considered the interpretation of the Estonian Foreign Ministry to be “historical heresy”.
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  1. NEXUS
    NEXUS 24 September 2019 08: 12
    +6
    How many times, even over the past 300 years, has the history of the world been written and extorted? And now this trend continues. People who do not know their past are a herd, stupid and easily manageable.
    1. bessmertniy
      bessmertniy 24 September 2019 08: 26
      +1
      Maybe the Estonians will still demand from us to return the German fascists to them !? belay
      1. 210ox
        210ox 24 September 2019 08: 53
        +3
        Let them take it. We have the burial places of the invaders ..
        1. The comment was deleted.
      2. GRF
        GRF 24 September 2019 08: 55
        +1
        Quote: bessmertniy
        Maybe the Estonians will still demand from us to return the German fascists to them !? belay

        So they returned it, now they have a European occupation ...
        Let's wait when they realize this ...
      3. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 24 September 2019 09: 12
        -1
        They have enough of their own. Give them freedom, they’ll do it ...
        1. figwam
          figwam 24 September 2019 10: 53
          +3
          In turn, the deputy Leonid Slutsky called blasphemy the equating of the USSR with Nazi Germany

          And do not be shy to equate Estonia with Nazi Germany, then everything will become logical.
      4. Terenin
        Terenin 24 September 2019 09: 15
        +4
        The Russian State Duma sharply criticized the position of Estonia ...

        Their correct emotional response is clear, but we can also criticize them at the forum. The main tasks of the State Duma of the Russian Federation are lawmaking, and not the desire to run after events in the context of the polarization of political forces in parliament. Why are they (in the State Duma) "chasing flies" responding to every spiteful barking of the Baltic and Ukropolsk at the address of Russia? request Necessary legislatively put a "mosquito net", and which of these "flies" broke through - automatically slammed with sanction.
      5. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
        SERGEY SERGEEVICS 24 September 2019 09: 16
        0
        Quote: bessmertniy
        Maybe the Estonians will still demand from us to return the German fascists to them !? belay

        It’s not a question at all, let them take it, they have nothing to do with us. At the pace where their country is heading, in the near future, it will probably be so.
    2. Olgovich
      Olgovich 24 September 2019 09: 00
      +4
      Quote: NEXUS
      How many times, even over the past 300 years, has the history of the world been written and extorted?

      So it was not necessary to recognize the so-called Bolsheviks. "Republic of Estonia" in 1920, and continue to consider it a RUSSIAN territory. In 1940, they would simply RETURN their own, as in 1945 - and no problems. How can you occupy ... yours?

      So it was with Bessarabia: the USSR never recognized it as Romania and in 1940 simply regained its Bessarabian province in Russia.
      1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
        SERGEY SERGEEVICS 24 September 2019 09: 27
        +2

        So it was not necessary to recognize the so-called Bolsheviks. "Republic of Estonia" in 1920, and continue to consider it a RUSSIAN territory.
        That was precisely this was a big mistake, which could, in due time, be painlessly corrected.
    3. Civil
      Civil 24 September 2019 09: 54
      0
      All of these bourgeois Nazis are gay-fascist Nazis to Siberia. Ato are very pleased with their geyropeyskimi salaries. They are so full and satisfied.
    4. Berber
      Berber 24 September 2019 10: 36
      +1
      Essentially, Estonians are traitors. Because they went over to the camp of the Nazis with their arrival. To make the betrayal seem obvious, it was called "the fight against communism" and called a principled position. It seems like they have saved their face. And if you look at it - scum.
  2. rocket757
    rocket757 24 September 2019 08: 16
    +1
    Heretics, fire them !!! ..... sho there to consider, chop off the path of the track in that direction, beat the paws to everyone who stirs up their affairs / affairs! There, it itself will die out.
    1. GRF
      GRF 24 September 2019 08: 59
      0
      Quote: rocket757
      Heretics, fire them !!! ..... sho there to consider, chop off the path of the track in that direction, beat the paws to everyone who stirs up their affairs / affairs! There, it itself will die out.

      So, or after a beat?
      And why everyone, if heretics are they?
      There are jackals in nature, would nature be better without jackals?
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 24 September 2019 09: 40
        +1
        Quote: GRF
        So, or after a beat?

        to everyone who showed himself not ours, but feeds HERE AT US ... drags from here to there! In There, they do not care for them, let them sit there at home!
        Quote: GRF
        And why everyone, if heretics are they?

        about heretics \ bonfire JOKE, let them pray to their gods, but do not open their mouths on OURS!
        Quote: GRF

        There are jackals in nature, would nature be better without jackals?

        and let "jackals" within the limits, not ours !!! and we let "" not breed at ourselves !!!
        we will appoint alternate specialists as the orderlies of the forest, for them it’s the most!
        1. GRF
          GRF 24 September 2019 10: 05
          0
          So all Western investors are like that - feed here, drag them there ...
          (But is it really so bad to have successful enterprises with Western technologies in the country?)

          Regarding the gods, here, unfortunately, ours were yesterday, co-religionists are increasingly looking at their gods ...

          Let's...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 24 September 2019 10: 26
            +2
            Quote: GRF
            like all Western investors are like this - feed here, drag them there ...
            (But is it really so bad to have successful enterprises with Western technologies in the country?)

            We need to look at all this very carefully .... what "goodies" we have, and how much they can get. Yes, still look beyond the implications of their "innovation and performance"! Not all are equally needed here, not all are equally useful .... in short, not all, not all! Reasonable, rational approach .... most importantly, in OUR favor! Then you are welcome! And to pests, thieves, speculators of all stripes, full of - loops!
  3. Coconut
    Coconut 24 September 2019 08: 19
    0
    The Baltic States will still see Nazism (full version). Ukraine is nearby ... the trouble of the Baltic states is that Russia will not fit in for it like NATO and they will have to rake the shit themselves and they don’t have enough strength ... wink
    1. GRF
      GRF 24 September 2019 09: 01
      +1
      Quote: Coco
      The Baltic States will still see Nazism (full version). Ukraine is nearby ... the trouble of the Baltic states is that Russia will not fit in for it like NATO and they will have to rake the shit themselves and they don’t have enough strength ... wink

      So we can for that they become them ...
      Well, supposedly doesn’t stink of his own, and therefore you can not rake ...
  4. Polite Moose
    Polite Moose 24 September 2019 08: 21
    +2
    2 quotes for Estonians, etc.
    1. If you shoot the past with a pistol, the future will shoot you with a gun. (R. Gamzatov)
    2. Take away the history of the people and in a generation they will turn into a crowd, and in a generation they can be controlled like a herd. (I. Goebbels)
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 24 September 2019 08: 34
      +3
      a number of countries in Eastern Europe.
      And now these countries are yelling that they were occupied by the USSR! And by and large, they did not need this exemption: they worked slowly at military factories for the glory of the Reich, and even fought quietly against the USSR .... But they didn’t think about the Auschwitz and Majdanek furnaces, it didn’t concern them there, somewhere ....
      And the current politicians, after the collapse of the socialist camp, due to their feeble mind, cannot raise their countries, so they blame everything on "Soviet occupation"!
      And the worst thing is that the rewriting of the results of the Second World War has begun! Examples: Ukraine, Poland, Bulgaria, not to mention other countries!
      1. Polite Moose
        Polite Moose 24 September 2019 08: 59
        +1
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        And the worst thing is that the rewriting of the results of the Second World War has begun! Examples: Ukraine, Poland, Bulgaria, not to mention other countries!

        But this is the very same cannon shot from the future, the very time bomb that will explode through the generations when everything supposedly settles down and settles down. History, or rather its recorded facts, in the form of archival and museum documents and photographs, does not disappear anywhere, despite the silence and distortion of it by individuals and states, for the sake of the political conjuncture. Someday, sooner or later, these facts will fall on the table in the form of reliable evidence of certain historical events, and for some "exclusive" people the world will turn upside down. It's a question of time.
    2. GRF
      GRF 24 September 2019 09: 09
      0
      We have time on the drum, and therefore it is more humane ... (Moriori disappeared, and Maori are still alive)
      The people allowing to take away from themselves - it has already become ...
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 24 September 2019 09: 12
      +1
      Quote: Polite Elk
      Take away the history of the people and in a generation they will turn into a crowd

      But the Baltic states have no history. The Danes, Germans, Swedes, the Russian Empire, a bit of the USSR and a short period from 1920 to 1940 year of independence.
      1. Polite Moose
        Polite Moose 24 September 2019 09: 24
        0
        Quote: tihonmarine
        But the Baltic states have no history.

        But we have. And the liberation of Estonia is also our story.
        PS As soon as the demand for Russophobia in the world passes and money stops paying for "grunts" (C), Estonian history professors pick out each other's beards at disputes, proving the degree of kinship with Russia and the historical community of the fraternal peoples of Russia and the Baltic states.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 24 September 2019 09: 44
          +1
          Quote: Polite Elk
          And the liberation of Estonia is also our story.

          The interpretation is not correct. The correct interpretation is the capture of Berlin, the capture of Koenigsberg, the capture of Warsaw, the capture of Tallinn, etc. Our grandfathers and fathers liberated only our Motherland.
          1. Polite Moose
            Polite Moose 24 September 2019 09: 59
            0
            Quote: tihonmarine
            The interpretation is not correct.

            Not mine. Historical fact: there are medals for
            Quote: tihonmarine
            The capture of Berlin, the capture of Koenigsberg, the capture of Warsaw
            and the medal "For the Liberation of the Baltic States". hi
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 24 September 2019 10: 03
              -1
              Quote: Polite Elk
              and the medal "For the Liberation of the Baltic States"

              That was before, but now "For the capture of the Baltic states."
    4. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 24 September 2019 09: 15
      +1
      Quote: Polite Elk
      2. Take away the history of the people and in a generation they will turn into a crowd, and in a generation they can be controlled like a herd. (I. Goebbels)

      You can not refer to this. An example of Ukraine before the eyes. A generation has just grown and Maidan has shown how to manage a crowd
      1. Polite Moose
        Polite Moose 24 September 2019 09: 32
        +1
        Quote: Lipchanin
        You can not refer to this. An example of Ukraine before the eyes.

        Just on it - on the author of a training manual and needs to be referenced. Estonians will definitely not dispute his words.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 24 September 2019 10: 05
          0
          Quote: Polite Elk
          Estonians will definitely not dispute his words.

          Of course they won’t, because they fought along with the 3 Reich.
        2. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 24 September 2019 10: 31
          0
          Quote: Polite Elk
          Just on it - on the author of a training manual and needs to be referenced.

          It’s sick to read this name.
          Just this. Not the essence
  5. salad
    salad 24 September 2019 08: 29
    -2
    I repeat again, those who believe that they were occupied, let them gas, let them feel the fascist perfume of those times in concentration camps.
  6. Vitaly Tsymbal
    Vitaly Tsymbal 24 September 2019 08: 30
    +6
    Again they make excuses .... there is nothing to recognize Estonia as a neo-Nazi state by the decision of the Duma (without explanation to the world). Let the world then ask us why we decided so, and the Estonians make excuses ....
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 24 September 2019 09: 18
      0
      Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
      Let the world then ask us why we decided so

      Do you think no one in the world sees this?
      Doesn't see what is happening in Ukraine?
      Doesn't see what the hostages are up to?
      1. Vitaly Tsymbal
        Vitaly Tsymbal 24 September 2019 09: 56
        0
        It's one thing to see, another thing to resist ... the current world is the world of a consumer society, and if this does not affect your "satisfaction of consumer needs", then it is better to observe "on a full stomach" than to interfere, especially if you are the problem "does not concern" - I'm talking about Europe.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 24 September 2019 09: 36
      0
      Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
      Let the world then ask us why we decided so, and the Estonians make excuses ....

      Yes, they don't need to make excuses, their whole existence has been connected with Germany since 1200, when the Germans and their comrades came to the territories that were not inhabited by anyone. 40 thousand served in the WWII in Latvia only in the SS (40 in Hungary too), 000 thousands (in Italy the same), and about 27 more police battalions, and also “kaitselit” and “omakait.” In almost every family, someone fought for Germany, so there is nothing surprising in Estonia and Latvia that they have such a mood If we considered Ukraine all the time a fraternal country in which Western Ukraine appeared only in 20, but after the Second World War and up to the present time, these "svidomye" brought Ukraine into the same state as the Baltic states.
      1. Vitaly Tsymbal
        Vitaly Tsymbal 24 September 2019 10: 12
        0
        Let me disagree with you. When the Duma openly declared to the whole world that the Nazis-Bandera had come to power, then the West (not to mention the Ukrainian government) began to justify itself, trying to show! proving to stupid Europe that the Ukrainians from Poland and the Little Russians are one ethnos with the Novorossians, so why is it impossible to do this with other "justifiers" of fascism and Nazism.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 24 September 2019 11: 43
          0
          Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
          proving to stupid Europe that Ukrainians from Poland and Little Russians with New Russians are one ethnic group.

          Although everyone understands that Ukrainians (Western Ukraine) were never Little Russians.
  7. polar fox
    polar fox 24 September 2019 08: 46
    -3
    Well, the deputy wrote about fascism, that is, about the Italians. Or to him, the "deputy of the State Duma" does not make a difference? Then it is clear why the security forces of the Russian Federation have symbols of fascism-fascia.
    1. Victorio
      Victorio 24 September 2019 09: 00
      +2
      Quote: polar fox
      Well, the deputy wrote about fascism, that is, about the Italians. Or to him, the "deputy of the State Duma" does not make a difference? Then it is clear why the security forces of the Russian Federation have symbols of fascism-fascia.

      ===
      there is still a difference with Italy. in Estonia heroize accomplices of fascism, justifying and betraying patriotism and the struggle for independence. and also by equating fascism and communism. in these areas, it was necessary to provide concrete opposition, and now the train has probably left. these directions / methods are run in, taken, or now, as in Ukraine, they are invested in the ideology of so many former Soviet republics and states.
  8. Shuttle
    Shuttle 24 September 2019 08: 50
    +2
    Tallinn?!! - Revel. And the whole tale!
    And they will still be fluttered by the return of the historically correct name - Kolyvan.
    1. GRF
      GRF 24 September 2019 09: 10
      0
      This is more likely a forecast ...
      1. Shuttle
        Shuttle 24 September 2019 10: 10
        +1
        Quote: GRF
        This is more likely a forecast ...

        Even more than the forecast. This is an action program.
  9. anjey
    anjey 24 September 2019 08: 54
    -1
    Then, apparently, it was time in Estonia to revive the Hitlerism of those times, begin to build concentration camps, start the struggle for the purity of the nation, just start to destroy all non-Estonians, what else would they, free Europeans, do if Nazi Germany liked them more.
    1. Ural-4320
      Ural-4320 24 September 2019 09: 05
      0
      During the years of the USSR, the bike went like a group of students, being on an expedition in the Carpathians (I heard this version), found a German cache with uniforms and clothes. We changed our clothes and stamped on the nearest village. They didn’t even have time to say anything, but they already had time to “push” who is who, who is the leader and the party.
      I think many have heard it with reference to any region.
      You can already check for lice.
    2. Alex Justice
      Alex Justice 25 September 2019 16: 50
      -2
      Read the quote correctly. They do not like Germany and the Soviet Union planted a puppet government.
      1. anjey
        anjey 25 September 2019 17: 38
        0
        Then they raise the waffen ss to heroes, so do not need their Nazi preferences, whitewash the alleged struggle for independence, all this crafty heresy ...
  10. Masha
    Masha 24 September 2019 08: 55
    +3
    Ungrateful hemorrhoids
    Bedbug stinks creature
    The bug imagines himself a hero ...
    Sorry did not slam him ...
    1. cniza
      cniza 24 September 2019 09: 14
      +2
      Unfortunately, it's not only the "bugs" that blather, it's time to move on to action ...
  11. Major48
    Major48 24 September 2019 09: 03
    +2
    Thus, the Estonians recognized that they were allies of Hitler's Germany. Let's remember the Soviet medals - "For the liberation of Prague", but "For the capture of Budapest", since Hungary fought on the side of Germany to the very end. Since they took Tallinn, according to the country's rulers, they stormed the capital of the fascist satellite. In general, the Russians must constantly remind the tribals that they were bought by Peter the Great from Sweden for real money, and no one canceled this agreement. Further, the Estonians have not yet responded for 1919, when they robbed officers and fighters of Yudenich's army, and they themselves were driven into concentration camps.
  12. cniza
    cniza 24 September 2019 09: 13
    +2
    In turn, the deputy Leonid Slutsky called blasphemy the equating of the USSR with Nazi Germany, and also considered the interpretation of the Estonian Foreign Ministry to be “historical heresy”.


    We must not wag the language, but institute criminal proceedings against anyone who denies the fight against fascism and erodes the role of the USSR.
    1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
      SERGEY SERGEEVICS 24 September 2019 09: 29
      0
      Of course, only in this way will it be possible to fix this problem.
  13. Pavel57
    Pavel57 24 September 2019 09: 16
    +1
    Isn't Estonia bought from Sweden? Why is no one breaking it?
  14. Izotovp
    Izotovp 24 September 2019 11: 15
    0
    Act as it is customary for them to go to court and sanctions against both individuals and legal entities.
  15. Professor
    Professor 24 September 2019 11: 42
    +2
    For all my "love" for the Balts, I cannot but agree with the Estonians. The USSR actually liberated Austria, but occupied Estonia, taking the place of the invader expelled by it. It's like saving a girl from rape by driving off the rapist and taking his place and at the same time resenting the rape accusations: "How so? I freed you, madam" from the hands of that rapist. So I am a liberator. "