Poland and Romania tense over Saudi Arabia’s American air defense missile defense

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History with strikes on oil production and oil refining facilities in Saudi Arabia continues to be discussed in various countries of the world. At the same time, a certain generality is traced in the statements of experts. It consists of the following: if Iran is really behind the attack on Saudi Aramco’s facilities, why didn’t it protect the American-made air defense system from Iran, having failed? The tension in this regard manifests itself in expert circles in Poland and Romania, relying on American means of "defense against missile attack."

Poland and Romania tense over Saudi Arabia’s American air defense missile defense




The multilevel air defense missile defense system of American production in Saudi Arabia in this situation at least raises doubts about the degree of its effectiveness, presenting rather an ultra-expensive "sieve".

Experts in China, in particular, recalled that for a number of years, Americans have also built a missile defense system in Eastern Europe - in the Romanian Devesela and the Polish Redzikovo. As rightly noted, these systems are not so much multi-stage as in Saudi Arabia, and therefore at the “critical moment” their effectiveness may be even lower than in the Saudi kingdom. Although much less effective ...

Indeed, the United States, starting the creation of a missile defense system in Eastern Europe, insisted that it was “against Iran.” Now in the USA they constantly say that it was Iran that attacked targets in Saudi Arabia. Thus, Washington drove itself into a stalemate: it turns out that American systems "will not save Europe from a formidable Iran."

But for the Romanian and Polish sides, the situation turns completely unhappy (even with the name Devessela in the Russian language correlates): after all, these objects, which can easily be converted into offensive weapons systems, by definition will become targets for Russian missiles in a situation requiring which Moscow has repeatedly warned. The Russian authorities noted that the conversion of missile defense targets into potential targets would have to go, since the United States did not provide any evidence that the US and Polish and Romanian missile defense targets were not directed against the Russian Federation.

That is, after the "echo of the Saudi explosions" Bucharest and Warsaw now need to live with the realization that American systems not only do not protect them, but also put them up as priority targets. Moreover, Poland and Romania are also tense due to the fact that the missiles in the Russian arsenal are definitely more powerful than Iranian missiles and dronesthat the US is talking about.
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    1. +60
      23 September 2019 11: 18
      Invalid title. Needed: In Poland and Romania began to burn ...
      1. +14
        23 September 2019 11: 22
        And for the Romanian and Polish sides, the situation turns completely unhappy (even with the name Devessela in the Russian language correlates): after all, these objects, which can easily be converted into offensive weapons systems, by definition will become targets for Russian missiles in a binding situation what Moscow has repeatedly warned about.

        Has it really begun to reach the idiots?
        Terrific!
        after the "echo of the Saudi bombings," Bucharest and Warsaw now need to live with the knowledge that American systems not only fail to protect them, but also make them their primary targets.

        Taki yes and it suddenly became news to them?
        Moreover, Poland and Romania are also tense due to the fact that the missiles in the Russian arsenal are exactly more powerful than the Iranian missiles and drones, which the United States is talking about.

        Never mind, they are "selective" rockets, they will only punish the "bad" ones. wassat
        In principle, a good "lesson" turned out for the gamerope. Especially for zealous wheats.
        1. +6
          23 September 2019 12: 59
          Hitler did not hesitate in degeneration to say directly that if a person is long enough to say that he is a pig, then he eventually grunts. For decades, Americans have been shouting about their power and exceptionalism and, accordingly, about the invincibility of their weapons, and here are the fruits, there were figures responsible for making decisions who believed this!
          1. +8
            23 September 2019 14: 06
            In Saudi Arabia, of course, it was very revealing, but somehow they quickly forgot that in the Iraq war the Patriots were constantly embarrassed.
            In Israel and in the SA, the Iraqi Skuds reached their targets, although their accuracy was different then, in Israel there were no casualties in Israel, and if the memory serves me right, the Scud fell into the American barracks, about 100 people died.


            In Israel, almost all Scuds reached settlements.
            Sometimes, the Patriot beat off the engine, the warhead tumbling flew wherever wanted.

            It seems the victims were:
            1 or 2 Arabs got a heart attack out of fear, and someone injected themselves with an antidote as soon as the air raid sirens
            1. 0
              23 September 2019 21: 39
              I wonder how many Poles will be enough not to speak like "Pug on an elephant", that they are ready for defense and will defeat the Russians with excellent weapons from the mattress? ))
              1. +1
                23 September 2019 22: 09
                if Iran is really behind the attack on Saudi Aramco's facilities, then why the US-made air defense missile defense system from Iran did not protect

                And what if the Hussites are behind the attack? Not Iran’s powerful industry, which has successfully resisted the pressure of the world's strongest economies for a year, but the Hussites who rivet their rockets in the garage from all kinds of junk?
                Although, if the Hussites had done this, they would have long been shouting about it in the media. If Iran had done this, the United States would have shaken the screens of radars and satellites with a missile trajectory. My personal opinion is that the Saudis themselves did it. No missiles - prepared terror group and explosive devices.
          2. +1
            23 September 2019 16: 35
            Quote: Chaldon48
            Hitler did not hesitate in degeneration, he directly said that if a person is long enough to say that he is a pig, then he eventually grunts

            You confuse his words with Goebbels, and even that, he said a little differently:
            "Give me the media and I will make a herd of pigs out of any nation!"
        2. +5
          23 September 2019 14: 00
          Quote: Honest Citizen
          So yes, and it suddenly became news to them?

          Not quite so: for them it was a revelation ONLY THEN when formulations about the unsuitability of American buns to protect the civilian population fell on the front pages of the media and began to be sucked from all sides - then it dawned on them how they were bought for glass beads
          1. +1
            23 September 2019 14: 25
            That's about it ...
          2. -2
            24 September 2019 01: 30
            https://topwar.ru/162578-v-polshe-gotovjat-partizanskuju-armiju-na-sluchaj-vojny-s-rossiej.
            In addition to the fact that the Polish army is the most efficient in not our Europe.
            According to Bild, citing the statement of the Minister of National Defense of the country, by 2024 the number of partisan army will be up to 53 thousand people.
            Link to the source there.
            But do we need Poland as a bridgehead for missiles?
            We have a lot of our land, so they handed out to anyone.
            It means to erase the threat physically, tactically, Y.O. Soon, pin.os will hang up their New SOI over Moscow for complete control, and will the KREMLYADI wait for an attack on us or will they strike proactively? Who knows . And then generally quietly leave for Switzerland there or London.
            1. +1
              24 September 2019 07: 49
              The Polish army was also combat-ready in the 39th, but how did it end?
              It also supplied drugs to the Waffen SS ... The Home Army was no better than the "forest brothers" - to drive them through the forests again?
              Nafig!
              But we must keep in mind :: they themselves will not die, because they have the support of the population.
            2. 0
              24 September 2019 21: 23
              It doesn't matter if someone leaves for Switzerland or not. Russian missiles will not go anywhere from this. At one time, Lenin and Trotsky quickly made the Red Army out of what was. And who knew Lenin before? As for "SDI over Moscow", this is someone's sick fantasy, I hope, not yours.
      2. +5
        23 September 2019 11: 29
        Quote: Sith Lord
        In Poland and Romania began to burn ...

        They began to walk with bricks laughing In general, this is a reason not only for Poland and Romania to think about it, but also to all other Russophobes who are "ready" to test our Iskanders on themselves ..
        1. +2
          23 September 2019 18: 38
          They are not ready for anything, just their thieving "elites" are creeping under the USA, and they themselves are preparing to run away to where the stolen money lies.
      3. +8
        23 September 2019 11: 44
        Quote: Lord of the Sith
        Invalid title. Needed: In Poland and Romania began to burn ...

        And let them turn to the Society for the Protection of Consumer Rights and stick a warranty card for the Patriot on their foreheads! tongue The Yankish school of salespeople has been practiced since ancient times, the main thing is to find suckers, you can’t count this good around the world. And still do not forget to loudly promise all kinds of protection and support. In general, as old as the world, at least ask the Indians of America ........ negative
        1. +4
          23 September 2019 14: 35
          Quote: Major Yurik
          And let them turn to the Society for the Protection of Consumer Rights and stick a warranty card for the Patriot on their foreheads!

          The Saudis with this "coupon" on their foreheads had already been walking for a month before the strike on the refinery, when the Houthis zhakhli their "Patriot", after which they had already struck at the accumulation of manpower of the Saudis and Sudanese, shifting to a horizontal position a bunch of soldiers and 12 officers. Now it has flown unnoticed again. Poles and Romanians have something to scratch their turnips for what
      4. +9
        23 September 2019 12: 10
        As usual, the mattresses once again got into the epic curtain and the mattresses peep mournfullylaughing
      5. Maz
        +2
        23 September 2019 13: 59
        They don’t bring down their own, is there something incomprehensible here?
    2. +1
      23 September 2019 11: 19
      Saudi Arabia simply does not want to live in peace with its neighbors. She does not like Iran, Yemen, Syria. So I got a warning. It is clear that there are still a couple of such incidents, and the Middle East may get another war.
      1. +1
        23 September 2019 21: 54
        Another couple - three such incidents and the Saudis will have nothing to fight.
    3. +11
      23 September 2019 11: 20
      Well, they couldn’t shoot down their own drones. And now how to make excuses? Embarrassment.
      1. +7
        23 September 2019 11: 37
        Whoever understands them there is undercover games in the kingdom. For money, any Saudi prince can acquire drones and make them weapons of struggle for the throne. what
      2. +7
        23 September 2019 11: 55
        If the Americans launched these attacks themselves, then everything was according to Zadornov. And this is really bad for them. First, they themselves compromised their air defense systems, and secondly, they did not show the ability of their own analysts to calculate all possible scenarios
      3. +4
        23 September 2019 11: 59
        I still think that they are not the Americans themselves and not the Iranians, but most likely they are really Hussites but with Iranian weapons.
        1. +2
          23 September 2019 12: 57
          Yes, there are a lot of options. And the internal showdown of the princes, and the Hussites at the suggestion of the Iranians, and the Iranians themselves, but still the main beneficiary is the United States.
          1. +1
            23 September 2019 13: 07
            I absolutely agree with the first, we only have to guess and put forward hypotheses. But it’s somehow doubtful with the second. The operation against Iran has not yet begun and will not begin, the USA’s allies will increase because of this. Well, and oil prices, they are prices today drove up tomorrow will return to their previous performance or generally collapse below the plinth. Not only we, but experts often can’t guess
            1. +2
              23 September 2019 18: 21
              It's like that. But if they do not raise hydrocarbon prices, the shale industry will be covered by a copper basin. So they are trying to do something. According to Chernomyrdin
    4. +1
      23 September 2019 11: 21
      hi
      Moreover, Poland and Romania are also tense due to the fact that the missiles in the Russian arsenal are exactly more powerful than the Iranian missiles and drones, which the United States is talking about.

      They were warned and more than once. Well, what to do, each chooses his own fate.
      1. +8
        23 September 2019 11: 29
        When did Poland and Romania choose their destiny? I beg you. Forever at someone at a dance.
        1. +1
          23 September 2019 14: 12
          It is by their status of "dancer" that they, by their leadership and parliaments, have chosen the statuses of their ethnic groups and their future - therefore, there is no respect, sympathy or pity for these ethnic groups.
    5. +3
      23 September 2019 11: 22
      The multilevel air defense missile defense system of American production in Saudi Arabia in this situation at least raises doubts about the degree of its effectiveness, presenting rather an ultra-expensive "sieve".

      I suggest the Patriot to secretly call a sieve. A good name. F-35 penguin, and MIM-104 sieve.
      Experts in China, in particular, recalled that for a number of years, Americans have also built a missile defense system in Eastern Europe - in the Romanian Devesela and the Polish Redzikovo. As rightly noted, these systems are not so much multi-stage as in Saudi Arabia, and therefore at the “critical moment” their effectiveness may be even lower than in the Saudi kingdom. Although much less effective ...

      Well, who cares about the fate of all Poles and Romanians with Arabs, the main thing is that everyone plays and buys Patriots at a high price.
    6. +4
      23 September 2019 11: 22
      ... why the American-made air defense missile defense system against Iran did not protect, having failed?
      Probably because she is too "patriotic" ("Patriot") and refuses to work for strangers. Pompeo tried to answer this question in a florid way, reducing everything to the fact that - well, it happens, so it is with everyone. At the same time, the same Poles and Romanians know very well that our air defense systems guarding the base in Syria do an excellent job with terrorist UAVs. Therefore, they are nervous, because it turns out that not only money down the drain, but also under the gun of Russian missiles.
      1. +3
        23 September 2019 11: 38
        Quote: rotmistr60
        Probably because she is too "patriotic" ("Patriot") and refuses to work for strangers.

        Well yes Yes ... It turns out that this is not a royal business with billions of "Patriots" to catch some penny drones winked
        1. +5
          23 September 2019 11: 45
          They showed the echeloned air defense of the Saudis from Iran, so there, in addition to the billions of "Patriots", there are so many stumbling blocks and radar fields overlapping each other that "a fly will not fly." Nothing worked. Therefore, the point is not in saving money, but in the fact that the locators of the "glorious" "Patriot" did not see anything.
          1. +2
            23 September 2019 14: 19
            Here you say that "stuck".
            So this is what it turns out :: that the surveillance radars also did not see any shock drones or missiles?
            But what kind of air defense, especially such strategically important facilities?
            1. +1
              23 September 2019 22: 40
              Quote: hydrox
              So this is what it turns out :: that the surveillance radars also did not see any shock drones or missiles?
              But what kind of air defense, especially such strategically important facilities?

              Moreover, the Americans, with their cries, "we know a hundred pounds that the drones came from Iran!" fool , their own missile defense digging a grave winked
              1. +1
                24 September 2019 07: 23
                You are right: in theory, our media should also raise a cry now:
                "How is it? The Americans were unable to identify and intercept the means of attack on Saudia with their devices, especially with such a shameful radar survey, they have no right to assert that Iran was attacking!"
                I would very much like to look at screenshots and duty logs - because they will not show it for anything !! laughing
        2. +3
          23 September 2019 13: 56
          Patriot is a classic example of the good work of Amer’s traders in conjunction with political pressure. Even in the first Iraqi, they demonstrated their unsuitability: up to a dozen missiles were launched on the target, which did not guarantee defeat. I think the brothers of Israel can tell a lot, but rather they will be modestly silent.
          1. +2
            23 September 2019 19: 58
            They are silently silent, but absolutely immodestly demand bonuses for their urination. laughing You won’t drink nature.
    7. +17
      23 September 2019 11: 27
      laughing There are so many nishtyaks for us from this attack that I wonder how the "partners" did not begin to accuse us of them.
      1. +2
        23 September 2019 11: 31
        Do not add laughing
        Now they will find a reason laughing
        1. +4
          23 September 2019 11: 47
          With them it will become. Big fantasy guys. winked But apparently they are now more important to run into Iran.
      2. +2
        23 September 2019 11: 44
        They have superman and whatman hated by the kaklams. laughing
    8. 0
      23 September 2019 11: 31
      So let them think what the "protection" of the overseas senior partner is worth.
    9. +9
      23 September 2019 11: 33
      Themselves themselves on the same stick, but still rejoiced, galloped screeching!
      You can ask now - Well, how, FUN ???
      1. +7
        23 September 2019 11: 46
        Quote: rocket757
        You can ask now - Well, how, FUN ???

        They don't care about the safety of their people from the big bell tower. The main task of the puppet governments, both in Romania and Poland, is to stay in power and continue to receive "buns" from the United States. And now their taxpayer voters will have well-founded questions about the effectiveness and reasonably leaky missile shield that has turned their country into a target.
        1. +1
          23 September 2019 12: 01
          Quote: Vita VKO
          Yes, they do not care from the big bell tower on the safety of their people.

          All the same, they have to convince a part of the layman that they would be chosen ... they won’t do anything stupid.
          So the part that supported them should consider that the "striped umbrella" is a super-duper ..... because it is EXPENSIVE! So "having fun" now \ always has someone.
          1. +1
            24 September 2019 07: 33
            The Saudi people have no voting rights.
            The whole country is governed by the king's relatives (princes, there are more than 100 of them there) and does without a representative body.
            1. +1
              24 September 2019 07: 49
              Quote: hydrox
              The Saudi people have no voting rights.
              The whole country is governed by the king's relatives (princes, there are more than 100 of them there) and does without a representative body.

              How can this be so ??? After all, this is a "light, bright monarchy"! At least from the herd of "light elves", the molded friends of the most, most, dermocratic and enlightened, city on the hill, ts. !!!
              1. +1
                24 September 2019 08: 09
                This time is like this: the most-best-selling benchmark democracy in the world with the most terrible monarchy in the world — they are all friends!
                I think that the next years of life will not show us anything more rotten ... pah, wound of the Lord!
                1. +1
                  24 September 2019 08: 22
                  The French were friends with Bokassa, and he used his enemies in a very peculiar way !!!
                  France, the cradle of the three REVOLUTIONS, the support and stronghold of dermocracy, liberalism!
                  1. +1
                    24 September 2019 10: 09
                    Wow, he was an excellent gourmet and deli, and the sophistication of his dishes so exceeded our concepts of tastes and habits that now there is hardly anyone who can describe the recipes for cooking food that existed at that time !! lol
    10. +3
      23 September 2019 11: 41
      Burning should not be among the residents of Redzikovo and Deveselu, but among the Warsaw and Bucharest - where the NATO headquarters are located bully
      1. +3
        23 September 2019 14: 26
        You form the right line of thought: it’s just the inhabitants of the capital (who are much better informed than the rural ones!) Using the example of the Belgrade bombing by NATO aviation KNOW which objects in the capital of Yugoslavia were destroyed in the first place - and we warned that the NATO regional headquarters would be regarded as CENTERS FOR MAKING MILITARY DECISIONS.
    11. +6
      23 September 2019 11: 42
      And who in Poland and Romania expressed concern? The official authorities, the media? It is possible in more detail.
      1. 0
        23 September 2019 11: 57
        Quote: Souchastnik
        And who in Poland and Romania expressed concern? The official authorities, the media? It is possible in more detail.

        It is not customary to refer to sources here
    12. +2
      23 September 2019 11: 56
      Weakly believe in the inability of the Patriots, as such, to effectively carry out the air defense missile defense. The Saudis themselves attacked their plants ... why do they need working Patriots?
      Trite oil ends ..
      The Saudi oil company told Japan's JXTG Nippon Oil & Energy that the grade of oil supplied is changing from light to medium and heavy, with no explanation provided. We are talking about cheaper, but more difficult raw materials for processing.
      Details: https://regnum.ru/news/economy/2726534.html

      I don’t want to part with the image of oil magnates - all the capital will run away from the country, how many islands are strewn !.

      Well, and yes, it’s really fun to scream - urya ...
      1. +1
        23 September 2019 14: 49
        Thanks for the fresh info, pleased!
        But then the following question arises: Which oil fields, obviously the worst sort [i] [/ i] the Saudis are going to deliver to the Japanese for a whole year (the size of the destruction is really scary ...)
        https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2726204.html
        And already to the Japanese: restructuring of oil refining to a different grade of oil is possible without heavy financial losses only in a very narrow framework, determined by the composition of the equipment in relation to the input and output volumes and parameters of the intermediate product, otherwise it may lead to the installation of other equipment - this may take years
        1. 0
          23 September 2019 15: 11
          Read more.
          Indeed, Saudi oil refining (the purpose of the killed installation is not clear from the photo, it will take years to replace it) it stops for more than a year and can Japanese refining without restructuring the pr-v (with the investment of $ billions) - all this leads to a redistribution of country purchase and sale markets oil - happy life awaits us! laughing
    13. 0
      23 September 2019 12: 04
      It comes to the Holodrans that their Americans are driving by the nose.
    14. +2
      23 September 2019 12: 19
      Late ... The Doomsday Goal Register has already been compiled. And since your goals will not be spared the primary warheads on them. Arrive, and not simple, but special.
    15. +2
      23 September 2019 12: 28
      gentlemen romanians and psheki !! no need to strain. One result - we will relax you. as it has been more than once.
    16. -4
      23 September 2019 12: 34
      Poland and Romania are tense due to the fiasco of the American air defense missile defense system of Saudi Arabia.
      That case when the article has one name, and in the article speech God knows what.
      Where is the opinion of Polish and Romanian not even military, but experts, or journalists with a detailed assessment of what everyone is talking about, except for them?
      Speculation and thought.
      That's when the Romanians realize and replace American systems with Russian (dreams!) Then everything is OK!
      1. +2
        23 September 2019 15: 15
        What makes you think that Russia will be able to give Russian weapons to NATO litter?
        1. -1
          23 September 2019 18: 16
          And Turkey, an hour, not pro-Russian?
          Or is she no longer a member of NATO?
          Do not rush to answer, otherwise you will not get there again.
          1. +1
            23 September 2019 19: 02
            You are already sitting in it! laughing
            1. Turkey is a NATO member, but not a mat: no matter that it is a "member", it says too much that the time is not far off when it will become a member of Euro-Asian cooperation.
            2. Turkey today is pro-Russian both in the market and in situational alliance (here it is, your oppa!).
            3. Turkey indirectly squeezed the United States out of control of Syrian territory.
            There is something else, but for you it will be superfluous in the high degree of your aggressiveness.
            1. 0
              23 September 2019 23: 21
              Hello, gossip !!!!!
              Who and where is sitting?
              Kindergarten, good to make yourself smart!
              "Says a lot, the time is not far away, she will become!"
              Prophet, your darling mother!
              Pro-Russian Turkey! what's this?
              What situational cooperation? What an oppa !?
              Who squeezed someone out of Syrian territory?
              Sleep up!
              So many songs have not been sung yet, but you are already my friend!
              Want to sound smart, keep silent!
              And do not remember about the degree of my aggressiveness.
              For I myself decide what is superfluous to me, and what is just right!
              1. 0
                24 September 2019 07: 39
                Then please shut up on my comments, Mr. "decided" from under the fence ...
      2. 0
        23 September 2019 21: 13
        In Poland and Romania

        it is not correct to compare PAK-2 or 3 with Ijes (and especially THARD) (!)
        the Saudis: Pak-2 / 3 is the edge in 60 km. and a height of 60 meters with AWACS can on the central control and lower. Sector Radars
        Poland / Romania: Ijes is CM-3 - kinetic blank without maneuvers up to the heights of 170 km., And CM-6 with a range of 200 km., Radar in a circular, but hardware acceleration of 8 seconds
    17. 0
      23 September 2019 12: 42
      Well, if Iran sends drones to Romania - the end to all living things laughing "There is no reception against scrap."
      But if the ballistic missile firing, then there is a chance to shoot.
      1. 0
        23 September 2019 22: 06
        hi Whether Iran will shoot at Europe is a very theoretical question, and the Russian-guided missiles with special equipment have already been resolved. Let them now think whether the game was worth the candle.
    18. +1
      23 September 2019 12: 53
      Wait for the half-wedges of protection along with the striped ones. Only I, with my meager mind, assume that the stripes will be washed off, and you will get the rest.
    19. 0
      23 September 2019 12: 53
      We must all strengthen the air defense of the Korean S-350.
    20. +7
      23 September 2019 12: 55
      Suppose that Iran did this with the hands of the Hussites, and not the Americans themselves with the hands of the Saudis. Let’s say that it’s really a Patriot so worthless, and not a Saudi tea service drank instead of a vigil service.
      What is the use of this for us? Globally only harm. Because now in the quiet offices of the Pentagon they are tearing all those responsible for the worthlessness of the Patriot. They will modernize it and bring it to mind. It turns out that the problem was uncovered and it will be solved. There’s nothing good for us.
    21. 0
      23 September 2019 13: 18
      "Bucharest and Warsaw now need to live with the knowledge that the American systems not only do not protect them, but are set as their primary goals."

      Here is a twist. "Unexpectedly" but they did not know.
    22. +2
      23 September 2019 13: 20
      Bucharest and Warsaw now need to live with the realization that American systems not only do not protect them, but also set them up as priority goals.

      You might think they did not understand this before.
      They all understood and understand. But where can the lackeys get away from the master's will?
      And you should not cry, you yourself have chosen such a share.
      1. +1
        23 September 2019 13: 38
        And this option has the right to life.
    23. 0
      23 September 2019 13: 29
      And if the "drones" were "made in USA", and even "from Raytheon", then it is quite possible that there are transponders-systems of radar identification "friend or foe" .. That is why the "Patriots" did not see "their toys" .. How is the hypothesis?
    24. +1
      23 September 2019 13: 30
      Well, the Romanians, due to natural stupidity, this will come along with the first radioactive fallout, ...
      the Poles are the same, but only because of natural ambition, and natural Russophobia:
      let us shine ourselves, if only to Muscovites annoy! ...
      1. 0
        23 September 2019 22: 12
        Russians are to blame for the Russophobia of the Psheks (I ask you not to confuse it with the Poles), they came to Russia so many times with a sword and fire and each time they raked .... Here the hosh is not hosh Russified.
    25. +1
      23 September 2019 13: 31
      Shaw, do not breathe? And how they breathed! Russophobia with impunity is not so comfortable?
    26. +1
      23 September 2019 13: 37
      Indeed, the United States, starting the creation of a missile defense system in Eastern Europe, insisted that it was “against Iran.” Now in the USA they constantly say that it was Iran that attacked targets in Saudi Arabia. Thus, Washington drove itself into a stalemate: it turns out that American systems "will not save Europe from a formidable Iran."


      It is called sailed.
    27. +1
      23 September 2019 13: 40
      Generally expected. Initially, Patriot was never anti-missile. At its main missile, the marching speed allows to hit only second-generation ballistic missiles, and even then with a probability of 40-50%, which even by the standards of the 60s was not enough. With what fright did this air defense system suddenly become I personally do not understand how to position it as part of a missile defense system. Husits ​​use C-75 missiles in their alterations, and it’s difficult to shoot them down even for modern systems. What the Iranians know, only intelligence specialists know. It’s just that the Big Yankns Bluff opened up and it became obvious to everyone that the whole thing America’s coolness exists only in the media space. The first call on this topic was during the Obama administration, with its red lines. When Trump moved out in opposition to Eun, it was the second call. The Americans did not realize that they themselves had opened the Pandora’s box. it became clear to the world that it was only possible to defend against the United States with nuclear weapons. After that, the withdrawal of mattresses from the INF Treaty was a matter of time and quite logical. This is the third call. The whole world saw, x This is not news that America does not abide by treaties.
    28. In general, it is not known who struck.
      Beneficiaries bunch:
      1) Oil exporters;
      2) Gas exporters;
      3) Air defense exporters are US competitors.

      Well, there are victims:
      1) KSA;
      2) USA
      3) US partners and all air defense systems that bought them.
    29. Geo
      +5
      23 September 2019 14: 08
      Someone Polish there not so long ago declared: “For the Poles, nothing has changed: as part of the Internal Affairs Directorate, Poland was among the top-priority goals of NATO, now it is among the top-priority goals of the Russian Federation, and what then, what now is the chances of surviving in the event of a full-scale Poland did not have a war. " The Polish authorities perfectly understand everything (and it would be strange if it were otherwise) and are not even shy about talking about it: they deliberately put Poland on the altar of US interests. Do not be deceived - no one will suddenly see the light and will not change anything. Similar news product of domestic consumption
    30. +1
      23 September 2019 14: 48
      Quote: hydrox
      the example of the bombing of Belgrade by NATO aviation

      The only difference is that Warsaw and Bucharest will get vigorous loaves bully
    31. +1
      23 September 2019 14: 49
      It will come in anyway. And it is better for Romanian Poles to go over their heads, and in advance. And not through a roast cock at the "H" hour.
    32. 0
      23 September 2019 14: 52
      Quote: Lieutenant Colonel of the USSRF Air Force in reserve
      In general, it is not known who struck.

      What did you want: a hybrid war - it is like that. It is not even known exactly who is fighting with whom and for whom, and who actually elects democratic presidents. There are only precisely identified victims, who, oddly enough, are the initiators of this hybrid war.
    33. +2
      23 September 2019 16: 10
      Quote: bulvas
      In Israel, almost all Scuds reached settlements.
      Sometimes, the Patriot beat off the engine, the warhead tumbling flew wherever wanted.

      The warhead could not tumbling because at the SCAD it is inseparable from the rocket.

      Quote: bulvas
      In Saudi Arabia, of course, it was very revealing, but somehow they quickly forgot that in the Iraq war the Patriots were constantly embarrassed.

      It has been 30 years since that moment. "Patriots" PAC-2 GEM + and PAC-3 are not at all the same "Patriot" that was in 1990. Like the S-300 of the first modifications and the latest modifications of the S-300, it is also like heaven and earth.

      Quote: rotmistr60
      They showed the echeloned air defense of the Saudis from Iran, so there, in addition to the billions of "Patriots", there are so many stumbling blocks and radar fields overlapping each other that "a fly will not fly."

      Is it with the focal (object) system that the construction of the air defense of Saudi Arabia? It becomes more and more interesting ... In a few days, completely at the beck of a gin from Arabian fairy tales, the air defense system was rebuilt from an object (fire) into a continuous radar field and a "fence" from the complexes laughing

      Quote: shinobi
      Generally expected. Initially, Patriot was never anti-ballistic.

      It is still largely not anti-missile. In terms of its parameters for hitting a ballistic target, it is approximately equal to the S-300 complexes. The very first modification, used during the Gulf War, was not intended at all to engage ballistic targets. The maximum that was shot down from it during exercises was Lance rockets. The probability of hitting a ballistic target with one missile is that the Patriot PAS-1 (second modification) and the S-300PT Biryusa are approximately the same and equal to 0,4 ...

      Quote: shinobi
      At its main missile, the marching speed allows only second-generation ballistic missiles to be hit, and even then with a probability of 40-50%, which even by the standards of the 60s was not enough.

      For missile defense systems, missile defense speed is not fundamental. For aerodynamic purposes this is important because shooting can go in a car. For the interception of ballistic targets - this is not so important, since the interception is conducted on the oncoming or counter-crossing courses. For example, our rocket 46N6 has a speed of about 2,1 km / s, and it intercepts targets at a speed of 2,8-3 km / s

      The discrepancy in the probabilities is that sometimes they talk about the probability of interception by two missiles, sometimes one. For interception with one missile, a probability of 0,4 is quite normal. This means that the probability of interception by two missiles is 0,7 (like that of our Biryusa). These were good indicators even for the 80s.

      Quote: shinobi
      With what fright this air defense system suddenly began to position itself as part of a missile defense system I personally do not understand.
      .
      Everything is very simple here. When you need to "lower your opponent below the plinth," they begin to distort the facts. So you can prove that the enemy's missile defense system is bad. First, they do it to convince the electorate. Then some people start to believe it themselves. The apotheosis is when many of the country's leaders begin to believe in this. The expressions "Having no analogues in the world" or "To beat with little blood on enemy territory" appear, and this euphoria ends with the general battle taking place somewhere in the center of the country, on the Volga

      Quote: shinobi
      The Hussites in their alterations use missiles from the S-75, and it is difficult to bring down them even for modern systems.

      Quite right. The Tondar-69 ballistic missile was created on the basis of the S-75 missile defense system. The difficulty of intercepting this Tondar-69 ballistic missile at a very high speed. The reaction time is extremely short.
    34. +1
      23 September 2019 16: 26
      Yes, in fact, it is initially clear that the location of these complexes automatically turns the target into a target, and it will be the object of attack. Moreover, the point is that the attack would be successful in any way, even if these complexes were effective - their destruction is critically important for the Russian Federation in the event of a conflict, otherwise everything in 2,5 thousand miles. in Russia under attack - so they’ll destroy it. Not with air or rockets, so the DRG will work.
      Are you fucking howling now? In which case, the deployment of NATO troops at YOU, together with the bases, means that you will be the first to receive the distribution - and you will have no options to visit Peter the Key
    35. 0
      23 September 2019 19: 23
      The Russians warned Poles, Romanians and other Russophobes .. Do not mock the graves-monuments of our soldiers who fell in your territories when they liberated you from the yoke of fascism ..
      Hoping in their Russophobic hysteria that the United States will protect you ..? Well, well .., think now how you will be justified by the bastards hysterical, thankless ..
      Russian Ivan will come and ask for everything, sooner or later

      God will judge us who is right or wrong .. soldier Will have to answer ..
    36. 0
      23 September 2019 19: 23
      [/ quote] It consists of this: if Iran is really behind the attack on Saudi Aramco’s facilities, why didn’t it protect the US-made air defense system from Iran, having failed? [/ quote]
      And if it is not Iran, but someone else who is "standing", then everything is fine and the Poles with the Romanians can relax? ?
    37. 0
      23 September 2019 20: 59
      Perhaps the Americans themselves launched drones at the refinery, their shale oil needs to be sold, and the price of oil in the world for the shale is low.
    38. 0
      23 September 2019 21: 48
      Not very informative comment will be - but a bug.
      They were warned =)
    39. 0
      24 September 2019 07: 49
      If they are such fools that they believed this, then this is forever, because idiocy is not treated, but only destroyed.
    40. 0
      24 September 2019 13: 01
      It is fun to count the Poles and Romanians as fools. Imagine giving you money today, even putting up a missile base, but war is not expected for a long time. Well, if something happens, that is, the base, there is no base, Europe is all the same.

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