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Ukraine purchased thousands of ammunition for Tunguska air defense missile systems and grenade launchers from Bulgaria

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Numerous explosions and fires in the arsenals of the Ukrainian armed forces lead to a shortage of ammunition. To compensate for this shortage, Ukrainian specialized structures have to conclude contracts with foreign companies for the import of ammunition of various types. Moreover, the circle of suppliers is reduced mainly to companies from the former socialist camp - from Eastern Europe.


Ukraine purchased thousands of ammunition for Tunguska air defense missile systems and grenade launchers from Bulgaria


One of the suppliers is Bulgaria. It became known that the Ukrspetsexport company from Bulgaria delivered a batch of several types of ammunition.

According to recent reports, we are talking about the supply of ammunition for self-propelled anti-aircraft anti-aircraft missile and gun mounts 2С6 "Tunguska". As of 2018, Ukraine had before the 70 “Tungusok” in service.

After the supply of ammunition for these air defense systems was confirmed, the question arose in Ukraine itself: where did the ammunition come from in Bulgaria, the army of which has no Tunguska systems. There is also no information that such ammunition has remained in warehouses in the territory of Bulgaria since Soviet times.

This gave rise to an opinion about a possible new corruption scheme. In particular, it is noted that the supplied ammunition is “Bulgarian” only on paper. In fact, they may well be ammunition from Ukrainian depots, which eventually burned out.

In response to this, Ukrainian experts are talking about ordering from the Bulgarian suppliers of “universal ammunition” of the appropriate caliber. We are talking about thousands of shots of 30 mm caliber (RBM and UVF), which in the documents are designated as 2015 products of the year of manufacture. By the way, it is not yet announced who exactly acted as the Bulgarian supplier.

It should be added that in addition to the ammunition for Tunguska Ukrspetsexport delivered from Bulgaria about 60 thousand rounds for the GP-25 and GP-30 grenade launchers.
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  1. The comment was deleted.
    1. bessmertniy
      bessmertniy 23 September 2019 10: 03
      +21
      If military depots are burning in Ukraine, then someone needs this. feel
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 23 September 2019 11: 52
        +4
        Quote: bessmertniy
        If military depots are burning in Ukraine, then someone needs this. feel

        And we have?
    2. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 23 September 2019 10: 56
      +21
      Bulgaria all 5 years of war supply for the APU ammunition to the front of Donbass. Brothers?
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 23 September 2019 11: 54
        +8
        Quote: Lord of the Sith
        Bulgaria all 5 years of war supply for the APU ammunition to the front of Donbass. Brothers?

        Foreign trade between Russia and Ukraine in 2018 amounted to $ 14,98 billion, compared with 12,86 billion a year earlier, according to the Federal Customs Service.
      2. pytar
        pytar 23 September 2019 11: 56
        +14
        Bulgaria all 5 years of war supply for the APU ammunition to the front of Donbass. Brothers?

        It’s impossible to generalize! Those who supply weapons are definitely not bros. Who are they? Misty structures, obscure personalities. By the way, some firms produce weapons, while others sell them. In the register of suppliers, as owners indicated some non-Bulgarian names. By the way, they change periodically. Who is there, you won’t understand.
        1. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 23 September 2019 12: 39
          +11
          I have no complaints about normal Bulgarians. I have complaints against the authorities and the directors of these factories. Here in Donetsk, a Bulgarian journalist spoke a lot about her investigation into the supply of weapons. Americans buy it for Ukraine and the Syrian fighters.
          1. pytar
            pytar 23 September 2019 13: 19
            +6
            I have complaints against the authorities and the directors of these factories.

            Sergey, directors of factories and structures that sell ego, are different. Most money is earned by sellers. And who they are, you won’t understand. Thick fog! request
            Here in Donetsk, a Bulgarian journalist spoke a lot about her investigation into the supply of weapons.

            I know about this Bulgarian journalist. There is no great confidence, since in Bulgaria she has long become famous for having a very interesting biography ... negative
            By the way, between the Bulgarian and Russian gunsmiths, a license dispute has long been ongoing. A week ago, our Prime Minister B. Borisov pointed out this problem as one of the few standing between our countries. And he personally enlisted to decide together with the Russian side. I am sure that it will be resolved soon. And I’m ready to argue - immediately in a run-up the stats will cease to appear, as of the current ... wink
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 23 September 2019 20: 05
              +1
              It's about thousands of rounds of caliber 30 mm ...

              At a rate of fire of 1 Tunguska 4-5 thousand rounds / min bought a little. laughing
      3. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 23 September 2019 12: 57
        +2
        Such good brothers are on the side of the Germans in both world wars. The same "brothers" as the Poles
        1. anzar
          anzar 23 September 2019 14: 08
          +1
          The same "brothers" as the Poles

          Well, since you want it to be that way ...))) At the bottom they wrote that:
          "someone" well oochen tries to embarrass us even at the household level!

          You are probably one of those "troops of the State Department" So change the coil about "both world wars". Bulgarians did not fight against the USSR, but a million Russians (well, "Soviet") - yes!
          And in WWI it was not the Bulgarians who attacked Russia, but the RIA-in Dobrudja, which the Romanians seized from Bulgaria two years ago. These are the "allies" that suit you.
          1. olegactor
            olegactor 23 September 2019 16: 52
            0
            Bulgarians did not fight against the USSR,

            look at the official data who was captured near Stalingrad .... and among the captured Bulgarians ... they went there on a tour
          2. bistrov.
            bistrov. 23 September 2019 17: 16
            -2
            Quote: anzar
            but a million-plus Russians (well, "Soviet") - yes!

            What are these "Soviet" ones? They are ardent enemies not only of the Soviet regime, but also of Russia. Former White Guards, kulaks, sons of capitalists, merchants and other podkulachniki. If Stalin had not shot them 400 thousand, it would have been even more.
      4. aszzz888
        aszzz888 24 September 2019 05: 52
        -1
        Lord Sith (Sergey) Yesterday, 10: 56
        +21
        Bulgaria all 5 years of war supply for the APU ammunition to the front of Donbass. Brothers?
        For a long time already NO. You don't need to have such "brothers".
  2. Nycomed
    Nycomed 23 September 2019 09: 57
    -6
    Maladts, Brothers!
    1. Rwmos
      Rwmos 23 September 2019 10: 09
      +11
      By the way, a local Bulgarian got lost somewhere that he was talking about the friendship between Bulgaria and the Russian Federation ... It seems that he recently wrote an article titled "Let's be friends" ...
      Oh, the Bulgarians get through ... They will not pay us for Kirkorov forever
      1. Nycomed
        Nycomed 23 September 2019 10: 13
        -8
        He speaks Russian very poorly. We, on any market, some native of the former Southern republics of the USSR, speaks better.
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 23 September 2019 10: 32
          +10
          Quote: Nycomed
          We, on any market, some native of the former Southern republics of the USSR, speaks better.

          Estessveono! Because he lives with us, and not at home!
      2. Lexus
        Lexus 23 September 2019 11: 57
        +6
        Pytar here, on VO, more than a year ago, to everyone who "blindly" believed in all sorts of "brothers", popularly explained using the example of Bulgaria, they say, it is more difficult for small "populists" to survive, therefore "screw up" some, for example, Russia, and "wave" others, for example USA, for the sake of preserving its own "carcass" is not prohibited.
        1. pytar
          pytar 23 September 2019 12: 25
          +8
          Pytar here clearly and long ago explained that everyone has their own interests. Moreover, states are complex structures. They have different groups with different interests. For example, the ruling ones have some, the people others, and the business dealing with weapons is the third. It is so in all countries including the Russian Federation. I do not see any reason at all to use the word "brothers" when talking about structures that earn extra money for arms sales. Ordinary people have nothing to do with these structures at all. They are ruled by people who are completely "non-random"! Both in Bulgaria and in Russia.
      3. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 23 September 2019 12: 52
        +2
        Kirkorov (Kirkorian) - Armenian. Never a Bulgarian.
    2. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 23 September 2019 10: 39
      +2
      1. Bulgaria has long been with NATO and the EU and it is necessary to proceed from this
      On September 23, at the invitation of the Chief of Defense (former General Staff), General Botsev arrived in Bulgaria with an official visit by the Chairman of the NATO Military Committee, Chief Marshal of Aviation, Sir Stuart Piich. On September 24, there will be a meeting of the Deputy Minister of Defense of Bulgaria and the Chief of Defense.
      2. In Bulgaria, with the participation of Russia, the construction of the Balkan Stream gas pipeline began, which is another alternative to Ukraine for delivering gas to the European Union. In fact, this is the development of the idea of ​​the South Stream gas pipeline, the construction of which Bulgaria had previously abandoned.
  3. rocket757
    rocket757 23 September 2019 09: 58
    +4
    Many profit from this conflict! Everything will go to the treasury of state debts .... to-o-olgo then they will pay.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 23 September 2019 10: 06
      0
      like any other anytime. army must be fed, dressed and armed. and so it was and will be. schemes change the principle remains in the days of ancient Rome and now.
    2. Honest Citizen
      Honest Citizen 23 September 2019 10: 18
      +5
      Victor, you’ll see ... when Ukraine picks up debts for three Russia - it will be shoved to us together with debts ...
      It's sad, but it is "read" ... now she will "pick up debts at the most I don't want", and then they will change the record to "there are our people, a common past, and so on," and Ukraine will be "returned" to Russia with its debts ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 23 September 2019 10: 26
        +1
        Quote: Honest Citizen
        when Ukraine collects debts for three Russia-it will be shoved to us together with debts ...

        so they are already trying to hang it up for us .... nothing new, in principle, the "master" played around and, in part, wants to quit, although he is in no hurry to use it.
        We will see. Everything is obvious and not so incredible.
        1. Lelek
          Lelek 23 September 2019 12: 33
          +3
          Quote: rocket757
          ... nothing new, in principle, the "master" played around and, in part, wants to quit, although he is in no hurry to refuse to use it.

          hi Victor.
          So the ruin would-be politicians contribute to this with their own hands, they themselves climb into the "mousetraps", and then smear the snot that they were misunderstood (morons, however !!!). The other day Prystaiko decided to "lick" Trump and "spit in a mug" to Biden on the eve of the US elections with an unpredictable result.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 23 September 2019 13: 27
            +2
            Hi lion soldier
            Quote: Lelek
            The other day Prystaiko decided to "lick" Trump and "spit in a mug" to Biden

            Last time this windy and not very clever "young lady Ukraine" against the one who won "drowned"! Therefore, he did not feel particularly tender feelings for her ... he used it when necessary, and so that "love in an aspirated" did not work!
            As correctly noted, the result of the upcoming "cockroach races" is not predictable !!! So we decided to put the eggs in different baskets !!! Only it seems to me that the result will be the same, eggnog!
            Do not fry them with fried eggs, never!
            1. Lelek
              Lelek 23 September 2019 13: 37
              +2
              Quote: rocket757
              Therefore, he did not feel especially tender feelings for her ... he used it when necessary, and so that "love sucking" did not work!


              We can, and that would have gone "aspirated" if the Crimea had not "gone" to Russia, but, as they say, what has grown, it has grown .... And by the way about Crimea from the point of view of Professor Reinhard Merkel and former US Ambassador to Armenia John Evans - very funny and pragmatic:

              (D. Evans):
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 23 September 2019 14: 15
                +2
                The ruling polyptychum of all countries has little interest in some kind of law and law .... they are only interested in their Wishlist! Therefore, at least three times Russia is right and not guilty of what she is accused of, nothing will change !!!
                Only extreme circumstances, i.e. when the cock starts to peck them on ... little thing, they can come down and snort through the lip, something that can be understood as recognition / approval ... and then their Wishlist will pour !!! And nothing else.
  4. Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 23 September 2019 09: 58
    0
    This gave rise to an opinion about a possible new corruption scheme. In particular, it is noted that the supplied ammunition is “Bulgarian” only on paper. In fact, they may well be ammunition from Ukrainian depots, which eventually burned out.

    Yes, it was immediately clear, not just because they were burning
  5. V1er
    V1er 23 September 2019 10: 02
    +4
    Then this Bulgarian ammunition can kill a Ukrainian or Russian.
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 23 September 2019 10: 07
      0
      And how long has this "bros" been worried about?
  6. svp67
    svp67 23 September 2019 10: 04
    +8
    in Ukraine itself the question arose: where did these ammunition come from in Bulgaria
    , Czech Republic, Slovakia and Bulgaria are now playing the role of "arms offshore", but if the first two have long-term rich experience and care about their reputation in the slightest degree, trying not to fall "face down in the mud", Bulgaria is often forced to play "dirty" ... This is not the first time that there have been reports of "black" deliveries of weapons, ammunition and army ammunition from Bulgaria to places where other countries do not supply all this.

    This gave rise to an opinion about a possible new corruption scheme. In particular, it is noted that the supplied ammunition is “Bulgarian” only on paper. In fact, they may well be ammunition from Ukrainian depots, which eventually burned out.
    It may well be. How does all this differ from "coal from Amsterdam" or "American diesel locomotives" supplied from Kazakhstan, but bought as arriving from America
    1. Nycomed
      Nycomed 23 September 2019 11: 20
      +2
      You forgot to mention the former Yugoslavia, that is where there was a "arms offshore", "Mom, do not cry!"
      1. svp67
        svp67 23 September 2019 14: 16
        0
        Quote: Nycomed
        You forgot to mention the former Yugoslavia, that's where there was a "arms offshore"

        Here the key word was "was".
  7. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 23 September 2019 10: 05
    +7
    Bulgaria produces ammunition for Soviet weapons and makes good money on it. Delivers new ammunition to Syria and Libya, Iraq.
    1. Rwmos
      Rwmos 23 September 2019 10: 26
      -8
      In short, to all terrorists of the planet, not excluding the neo-fascist gang "Dung" recognized by the US Senate
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 23 September 2019 10: 52
        +9
        You shame RWMos negative Military Review website, which has formed a good rating in the areas of: military equipment,
        military history and current events related to the military-political situation.
        Your primitive text toads equate VO with primitive Ukrainian ultranationalist sites. stop
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          1. anzar
            anzar 23 September 2019 11: 52
            -1
            Legitimate armed groups did not buy it from the Bulgarians ...

            Because the Bulgarians are demanding money, and why should Assad give them to them for the fact that Russia will supply them with them (from warehouses)?
          2. pytar
            pytar 23 September 2019 12: 13
            +3
            Can you object to the fact that in Syria, the Bulgarians can only supply weapons to terrorists?

            Bulgaria does NOT supply weapons to terrorists. One must bear in mind the fact that some firms produce ego, while others are engaged in sales. Moreover, they are formally "Bulgarian", since their capital is foreign. Bulgaria, with the above explanations, sells weapons in full compliance with international laws. Where then it is resold and in what hands it turns out, not in responsibility for the manufacturer. It and modern Russian weapons are very often displayed in the hands of terrorists. For example, RPG - "Hashim" (RPG - 32 "Barkas") are produced under Russian license in Jordan. Ego was the first to be tested in battle by terrorists from Al Qaeda / banned in the territory of the Russian Federation /. There are many such examples. In general, arms trade is a hazy business.
            Here terrorists very often use Toyota cars in their forays! But nobody says that "Japan is helping terrorists!"
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 23 September 2019 15: 46
              0
              Quote: pytar
              Bulgaria does NOT supply weapons to terrorists.

              Nevertheless, in Syria, terrorists are regularly found with ammunition branded from Bulgarian factories. "11 in a double circle" - VSW, "10 in a double circle" - Arsenal.
              However, there is nothing to formally present to Bulgaria here - officially, the ammunition was sold to the Saudis.
              1. pytar
                pytar 23 September 2019 16: 08
                0
                Nevertheless, in Syria, ammunition with the hallmarks of Bulgarian factories is regularly found among terrorists.

                Yes, there are just no! From all over the world.
                However, there is nothing to formally present to Bulgaria here - officially, the ammunition was sold to the Saudis.

                To those Saudis whom Russia recently proposed С-400 to fight back from the Hussites! The same Hussites, whose ally is Iran, which for its part is Russia's ally in Syria! I won’t be surprised if the Saudis truly buy C-400 after Patriot is so poorly manifested.
                Mention the Turks too? Okay, everyone knows ...
        2. Rwmos
          Rwmos 24 September 2019 03: 48
          0
          I understand the word "provocation", just understand the word "answer"
    2. kapitan92
      kapitan92 23 September 2019 11: 47
      +5
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Bulgaria produces ammunition for Soviet weapons and makes good money on it.

      In Bulgaria, JSC "Arsenal" (Kazanlak) produces anti-aircraft guns ZU-23, 60- and 82-mm mortars, RPG-7, SPG-9 grenade launchers and under-barrel grenade launchers, a wide range of small arms; JSC "Arkus" (Lyaskovets) - 40-mm grenade launchers, 81- and 82-mm mortars, 30-mm artillery ammunition, 40-mm grenades, mortar mines; JSC "Dunarit" (Ruse) - air bombs, artillery shells, anti-tank and mortar mines, explosives and gunpowder; the capacities of the aforementioned ZAO Vazovskiye Mashinostroitelnye Zavody, in addition to missile weapons, allow the production of 122-mm NUR for MLRS BM-21 Grad, grenade launchers and rounds for them.
      where did the ammunition come from in Bulgaria, the army of which has no Tunguska complexes. There is also no information that such ammunition has remained in warehouses in the territory of Bulgaria since Soviet times.

      Before writing, the author of the article had to study the nomenclature of ammunition produced at Bulgarian enterprises.
      1. Antares
        Antares 23 September 2019 14: 04
        +2
        Quote: kapitan92
        Before writing, the author of the article had to study the nomenclature of ammunition produced at Bulgarian enterprises.

        he has a different task.
        not news.
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  9. Avis-bis
    Avis-bis 23 September 2019 10: 24
    -1
    One of the suppliers is Bulgaria. It became known that the company "Ukrspetsexport" from Bulgaria delivered a batch of ammunition

    "... export" deals with imports. Well, everything is upside down ...
  10. sabakina
    sabakina 23 September 2019 10: 24
    -1
    "Tungusok", but there is ammunition ... Mysticism ...
    1. bar
      bar 23 September 2019 10: 38
      +5
      Nothing new. In Belarus, too, there is no sea, but there are sprats
      1. Rwmos
        Rwmos 23 September 2019 10: 52
        -3
        Sprats there are land. Nearby there is already a whole country inhabited by sprats)
        1. bar
          bar 23 September 2019 11: 04
          0
          Bulgarians also have not "sea" ammunition, but at all
          universal suitable caliber

          It is clear that there is a usual resale in all kinds of muddy left schemes. But for Ukrainians, this is a common thing, as well as Amsterdam coal from Donetsk, European gas from Russia. The main thing is that the difference between the declared and real price goes into the right pocket.
          1. anzar
            anzar 23 September 2019 12: 08
            +3
            It is clear that there is a regular resale ...

            Wrong.
            1. it is said that it is direct deliveries (will appear in the UN register)
            2. Bulgaria ("Arsenal"), since the time of the Warsaw Pact, has been firing 30x165 shots in three versions: "aviation" - for GSh-30 (MiG-29 and Su-25 are still in service with the BA); "sea" - for AK-630 (also still in service) and AK306, and "land" - for 2A38, 2A42 and 2A-72-OFS and sub-caliber with a plastic pallet. Equipment and technologies (injection molding in place) - since the 80s, Swiss (Erlikon)
            1. To be or not to be
              To be or not to be 23 September 2019 12: 30
              +1
              deliveries (appear in the UN register)

              https://www.unroca.org/
              and for 2018
              UNROCA original report
              Bulgaria 2018
    2. Kerensky
      Kerensky 23 September 2019 11: 06
      +2
      "Tungusok", but there is ammunition ... Mysticism.

      There is no mysticism here. It was said above that the Bulgarians perfectly make Soviet-caliber ammunition. And they trade it all over the world. GP-25, for example, diverges very well in Africa.
  11. Chaldon48
    Chaldon48 23 September 2019 10: 40
    -4
    The Bulgarian "brothers" have sunk, money does not smell, and Big Brother approves, supplies Ukrainian militants, let them kill, and more.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 23 September 2019 11: 58
      +3
      Quote: Chaldon48
      The Bulgarian "brothers" have sunk, money does not smell, and Big Brother approves, supplies Ukrainian militants, let them kill, and more.

      And what is the ban on the supply of weapons to Ukraine? Ukraine under sanctions? Why should Bulgaria lose its market?
      1. Chaldon48
        Chaldon48 23 September 2019 13: 40
        -4
        Of course, nothing personal is only business, the fact that Ukrainians with these weapons will kill Russians in the head of the merchants does not arise any thoughts. When you make money about conscience can you forget?
      2. Antares
        Antares 23 September 2019 14: 10
        +4
        Quote: RUSS
        And what is the ban on the supply of weapons to Ukraine? Ukraine under sanctions? Why should Bulgaria lose its market?

        there are simply double standards and hypocrisy.
        The same sale of weapons to Armenia and Azeibadzhan at the same time is the success of the Russian Federation (which others did not sell)
        And the sale by Bulgaria of weapons to Ukraine (with the possibility of using it in ORDILO) is nizya.
        In both cases, countries with conflict.
        But there are double standards, capitalists, liberals, "not ours" and so on - explanations that it is not us, but there the Bulgarians are definitely wrong !!
        From the current - "blood of war" is supplied mainly by the Russian Federation for tanks and other military equipment. And this market holds! And he is not going to give it to anyone (like Belarusians)
        So who is "cashing in on the conflict? Bulgaria? Russia, neighbors? USA-world?"
        You need to be objective.
        Everything here is one ointment in one world.
        Our won admit that they get Russian parts for equipment.
        And they recalled the expression — that they would sell the rope, that they would be hung on.
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 23 September 2019 12: 18
      +1
      Conscience and profit are not very compatible concepts.
      Karl Marx in the book Capital
      "Provide capital with 10% profit, and the capital agrees to any use, at 20% it becomes lively, at 50% it is positively ready to break its head, at 100% it violates all human laws, with 300% there is no crime for which it does not would venture to go, at least under pain of the gallows "
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 23 September 2019 16: 27
        0
        Quote: Piramidon
        Karl Marx in the book Capital

        Let me cry: the original source is not Karl Marx, he only quotes Thomas Joseph Dunning. wink
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 23 September 2019 17: 10
          0
          Quote: Alexey RA
          Quote: Piramidon
          Karl Marx in the book Capital

          Let me cry: the original source is not Karl Marx, he only quotes Thomas Joseph Dunning. wink

          I do not pretend to be the author of K. Marx. But the meaning of the “animal grin of capitalism” does not change from this.
      2. Chaldon48
        Chaldon48 24 September 2019 13: 39
        0
        That said about the hangar would not be bad to put into practice.
  12. Alien From
    Alien From 23 September 2019 10: 59
    0
    Hyhels need to compose fairy tales, they would be wealthy ......
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  14. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 23 September 2019 11: 12
    -2
    Bulgarian weapons and b / n are supplied in bulk to militants in Syria, and then what can we say about Ukraine, which is close by. When the question is how to earn extra money, immediately the question of "friends and comrades" disappears by itself.
    ... about a possible new corruption scheme
    Well, without this in Ukraine, as without fat, t.ch. it is impossible to exclude such an option.
  15. pytar
    pytar 23 September 2019 11: 47
    +1
    It became known that the Ukrspetsexport company from Bulgaria delivered a batch of several types of ammunition.

    One woman said to another woman ... apparently they talked at the market while they were bargaining with vegetables ... Although I have no doubt that everyone is selling weapons to everyone who can pay for it. There is no morality in business with weapons.
    This gave rise to an opinion about a possible new corruption scheme. In particular, it is noted that the supplied ammunition is “Bulgarian” only on paper.

    No wonder. To cut the dough, they can come up with all sorts of intricate patterns.
    It also happens in the civil sector such situations. Assimilated money, the bridge was somehow "built", but it is not there ...
    By the way, it is not yet announced who exactly acted as the Bulgarian supplier.

    Those who want to earn some money will always be found in every country. Though if "known" why not reported? And the article is not signed. Neither the author nor the source "infa" is indicated.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 23 September 2019 12: 01
      +2
      Quote: pytar
      Although I have no doubt that everyone is selling weapons to everyone who can pay for it. There is no morality in business with weapons.

      Russia sells arms to both Armenia and Azerbaijan, with clashes erupting in Karabakh every year, and no one accuses Russia of heating the conflict.
      Or do you say that Russia sells both for parity?
      1. pytar
        pytar 23 September 2019 12: 30
        +2
        I just agree with you! good The arms business is very profitable! There is no morality in it. Moreover, it is connected with gaining political influence, so ... "interests are above all"!
  16. Bomb
    Bomb 23 September 2019 12: 00
    +1
    The United States threw dough for the purchase of weapons, training programs. A total of $ 1,5 billion. Unfortunately, not everyone steals and we must not forget that the same Slavs as we are fighting there. They gave money and will give. But in VO, all is so-and-so is the weak army of the castry-leg-heads. If there is financial support, watering such warriors in sartier at the pace of the last 5 years, as well as barmaley, is like painting the sky.
  17. kriten
    kriten 23 September 2019 12: 22
    0
    What are not bros, then enemies and traitors ...
    1. anzar
      anzar 23 September 2019 12: 42
      +1
      What are not bros, then enemies and traitors ...

      Yeah, all around are traitors, most of them are Russians))) After all, you can't betray the interests of Russia to the Bulgarians, they can betray the interests of Bulgaria (which they often do)). Or do you think that in Donbas, Russians are fighting Bulgarians or Americans? As Lyuba sang, "again the Russians are chopping the Russians" ((
      1. pytar
        pytar 23 September 2019 13: 34
        +2
        Or do you think that in the Donbas Russians are fighting with Bulgarians or Americans?

        Looking at what is happening on the Internet, you will soon be convinced that Stalingrad was "held under siege by the Bulgarians," and us that the Russian "occupants" of Bulgaria ... I am plagued by vague doubts ... someone is really trying to embarrass us even at the everyday level ! sad
        1. anzar
          anzar 23 September 2019 14: 23
          +3
          I am tormented by vague doubts ... someone is really trying very hard to embroil us even at the everyday level!

          Why "vague"?))) Internet-couch troops and earn. But why we waste time answering them is not entirely clear, because we are not paid)))
          1. Gado
            Gado 23 September 2019 20: 09
            +2
            Therefore, I have long refused to prove something to someone here. The manual is the same: about "two worlds", and about "brothers" and in general. Sometimes I go, as now, to read and check if the training manual has changed. Not yet, I see. All the best!
        2. cat Rusich
          cat Rusich 23 September 2019 22: 43
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          In the course of WWII Bulgaria angry occupied Macedonia sad and north of Greece sad ...
          1. pytar
            pytar 24 September 2019 09: 01
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            In the course of WWII, Bulgaria occupied Macedonia and the north of Greece ...

            The territories inhabited for centuries with the predominant Bulgarian population! Even with a photo from the article you can see how the local population of the Bulgarian army met! Like liberators! I myself from that Macedonia! There, in 1870, a plebiscite / referendum / was! And in 1878, Russia signed the San Stefan Treaty, according to which these regions are included in Bulgaria!
            In fact, Bulgaria in 1941 did one to one what the USSR did in 1939! By signing the Molotov-Ribetrop Pact, the USSR liberated Zap. Ukraine and Western Belarus. By signing a treaty with the same Germany, Bulgaria Liberated Macedonia and the White Sea Thrace!
            1. cat Rusich
              cat Rusich 24 September 2019 20: 24
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              Remind you? I remind the Russian Empire after the Russian-Turkish war of 1877-1878 concluded the San Stefano peace treaty, but England, France, Austria-Hungary, Prussia ... "convinced" (read forced) Russia to sign the Berlin Treaty, according to which Bulgaria "lost" a lot ... Bulgaria today is in a military alliance (NATO) with England, France, Romania, Greece, Germany (Prussia), TURKEY ... "Best friends" got together (once they fought - today "one gang"). Have you compared Bulgaria in 1941 with the USSR in 1939? Why then did Bulgaria find itself in a military alliance with the 3rd Reich, Italy Mussolini and Japan ...? I offer Bulgaria today to reunite with Macedonia and the White Sea Thrace (following the example of Crimea and Russia) hi
              1. pytar
                pytar 24 September 2019 21: 29
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                To remind you? I remind the Russian Empire ...

                I will remind you! The list is three times longer, and you can make about Russia - from the same countries it was in unions, friends or enemies at different periods of time. Specifically, Turkey (OI) allies - 1798, 1832, 1918-1921. Now Russia and Turkey have excellent relations, better than the Turks from NATO countries. And what does this prove? That politics, including Russian, is guided by interests.
                Compare Bulgaria 1941 with the USSR 1939? Why then did Bulgaria find itself in a military alliance with the 3 Reich ...

                For the reason that the USSR 2 years earlier signed an agreement with the same 3 Reich. The difference is that the USSR had a choice, but Bulgaria had no choice.
                I propose that Bulgaria today reunites with Macedonia and the White Sea Thrace (following the example of Crimea and Russia)

                It makes no sense. Greece and we are in the EU, the borders are largely formal. Soon R.S.Macedonia will join. We are green. people, we will not send.
                1. cat Rusich
                  cat Rusich 24 September 2019 22: 10
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                  R.S. Macedonia will join the EU ... WHEN ??? (right after Turkey and Ukraine). Do not confuse "visa-free" and the State Border of Greece I will not argue about the "choice of Bulgaria", I will remind you about the rejection of the "South Stream" (all for the "bright future"). About the military alliance of Russia and Turkey - when the inhabitants of Bulgaria were on the verge of death in 1876, we (the Russian Empire) came to the aid of YOU (in 1877-1878). When we (the USSR) in 1941-1942 were on the verge of death - Bulgaria made a "wise choice" ...
                  1. pytar
                    pytar 25 September 2019 09: 37
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                    RS Macedonia will enter the EU ... WHEN ??? (immediately after Turkey and Ukraine)

                    R.S.M. - in the near future. Turkey will never enter the EU! About Ukraine, I don’t know.
                    Do not confuse "visa-free" and the Greek State Border

                    Since I often turn to the so-called state border (the Romanian crossing without noticing it at all), I know how formal it is. Many Bulgarians acquired real estate in North Greece, and the Greeks and Romanians with us. Typically a house in Bulgaria, and a cottage in Greece. Business without any problems can be done in each of these countries, as at home.
                    I will not argue about the "choice of Bulgaria", I will remind you about the rejection of the "South Stream" (everything for the "bright future").

                    Don't argue correctly, let me remind you that the Russian Federation, and not Bulgaria, abandoned the UP! Do you think that UP is the "bright future" of Bulgaria? I assure you - this is far from the case!
                    About the military union of Russia and Turkey - when the inhabitants of Bulgaria were in 1876 on the verge of death, we (the Russian Empire) came to the rescue of YOU (in 1877-1878).

                    RI waged 13 major wars with the OI. When in 1876, we rose in rebellion, there was a reason for the next step to the Straits. Moreover, it was necessary to save Serbia, which suffered a devastating defeat in the same year. For us, this war turned out to be a rescue, and we appreciate the feat of the Russians!
                    When we (the USSR) in 1941-1942 were on the verge of death - Bulgaria made a "wise choice" ...

                    Looking at the chronology of events, it becomes clear that your conclusions are erroneous, biased. Pact RM 23.08.1939 - 22.06.1941, the union of Bulgaria to the Trade Pact - 01.03.1941
                    Why was there no other way out? 1. At that time, in all of Europe, only Great Britain fought against Germany somewhere far away. 2.Bulgaria until recently was under the restrictions of the Treaty of Neu. "Army" 100 thousand. poorly armed and untrained soldiers, and shells in warehouses as for training, could not resist against the 600 thousand hanging over the Danube. German grouping and 500 thousand. Turkish, centered on our southern border. There would be a massacre, after which there would be no Bulgarians left. By the way, mobilization in Bulgaria began after 09.09.1944/5/XNUMX, the USSR fully armed XNUMX Bulgarian infantry divisions, since ours were in short supply with weapons.
                    The USSR was on the verge of death due to strategic mistakes of the Soviet leadership. Bulgaria could not help the USSR by fighting, but helped by refusing to fight against it! It was the maximum possible!
                    1. cat Rusich
                      cat Rusich 25 September 2019 20: 54
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                      1) "RSM - in the coming time ..." When? 2) The EU pays "tribute" to Turkey - "for refugees", will soon pay for gas pumping (from various sources). 3) Ukraine will join the EU by becoming a Polish voivodeship. 4) UP - Bulgaria doesn't need it? - Why then did Boyko Borisov ask V.V. Putin to extend a "branch" from the "Turkish Stream" to Bulgaria? 5) In 1876 Bulgaria revolted against the OI. On October 14, 1915 Bulgaria, together with the OI, entered the WWI against the Republic of Ingushetia (this is about the "assessment" of the Feat of the Russian Soldiers in 1877-1878). 6) Marshal Pétain (Vichy regime) made the same "wise choice". 7) Let us recall the "Klodius-Popov agreement", Bulgaria nevertheless provided "feasible" assistance to the 3rd Reich, the Germans transferred another division to the USSR ...
                    2. cat Rusich
                      cat Rusich 25 September 2019 21: 17
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                      8) Question: can a Bulgarian citizen fail to notice the so-called state the borders of Greece coming to Thessaloniki to take part in the parliamentary elections in Greece? Another question: can a Greek citizen buy a summer house near Varna to take part in the voting in the parliamentary elections in Bulgaria? what
  18. EDWARD
    EDWARD 23 September 2019 12: 34
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    it is necessary to smoke fat .. gentlemen, Ukrainians. it is much safer. and delicious.
  19. wow
    wow 23 September 2019 13: 16
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    Sorry, but who bought all this motlokh banderlog .....
  20. Evil 55
    Evil 55 23 September 2019 13: 31
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    Well, what, quite a possible option .. As they say - "only business, nothing personal" ..
  21. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 23 September 2019 15: 22
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    After the supply of ammunition for these air defense systems was confirmed, the question arose in Ukraine itself: where did the ammunition come from in Bulgaria, the army of which has no Tunguska systems. There is also no information that such ammunition has remained in warehouses in the territory of Bulgaria since Soviet times.

    As I understand it, the Internet has been turned off in Ukraine. smile
    Because on the official website of the Bulgarian plant "Arsenal" in the section "products / artillery ammunition" it is written in gray and white:
    30x165 mm ROUNDS FOR AUTOMATIC GUNS X, 2A42 AND 2A72
    30x165 mm ROUNDS FOR AIRCRAFT AUTOMATIC GUNS GSH-30, GSH-30K, GSH-6-30 AND GSH-301
    30x165 mm ROUNDS FOR AUTOMATIC NAVAL WEAPON SYSTEMS AK-630 AND AK-306
  22. Kontrik
    Kontrik 23 September 2019 18: 55
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    It's funny to read all this .. Outskirts buys! This .. How can a territory stuffed with weapons (the most modern and advanced) since the collapse of the USSR, so omit?
    All this should be included in the Guinness Book of Records .. !!!
    You now do not even have the right to produce fat.
    All quietly only! ))))) Oh hoh ly, well, you give a pancake crying
  23. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 23 September 2019 19: 04
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    A chic option from skakuasoprapor! To unload ammunition for a penny, then burn the warehouses and "hint" that the Bulgarians have such ammunition laughing
    "Shaw? Wasn't there? Duc is zhezh!"
  24. Rwmos
    Rwmos 24 September 2019 08: 44
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    Quote: voyaka uh
    You shame RWMos

    Not for you, but even more so - and for this - to treat me. Hide in the fog