Kudrin explained after Shoigu's words about defense spending

An in-depth discussion was marked (or to a certain extent continued) between the head of the Accounts Chamber Alexei Kudrin and Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu. Recall that earlier Sergei Shoigu, commenting on the criticism of "high costs" to the army by Kudrin, noted that the economic bloc is better to think about how to avoid low revenues, so as not to fear high costs. According to Shoigu, defense spending has already been halved in recent years.

Kudrin entered into a dialogue through his Twitter account. He wrote that "the president has brought defense spending to a reasonable amount, and now the new goal is efficiency."

At the same time, the head of the Accounts Chamber said that he was surprised by the materials in the media.

Kudrin:

I said that further reduction is not required to solve defense tasks. Now the goal is efficiency.

In response to this, users advised Kudrin and Shoigu to meet in person and discuss claims about spending money, if available, “one-on-one like a man”, and not engage in conversations through the media and the Internet.

However, it must be emphasized here that it all began with a question addressed to the Minister of Defense from the MK correspondent. During the interview, Sergei Shoigu was asked about his attitude to the fact that “Alexei Kudrin periodically comes out with the thesis about excessively high spending on defense industry.

Kudrin himself, as you can see, said that he "has not considered this for a long time."

Comments

[Olegater]

Good morning forum users!
My opinion is that these economic invaders from the reviving Reich, led by kudins and counts, just want to introduce the power of their masters on the territory of Russia. In general, it is correctly said who does not feed his army, feeds someone else's.

It is a pity that Sergey Kozhugetovich answered this ...... too intelligently. And probably the special services should take a closer look at such a figure, against the backdrop of an aggravation of the situation, such statements are a betrayal.

[Grandfather]

Kudrin himself, as you can see, said that he "has not considered this for a long time."

he counts as ordered.

Quote: Olegater

that these economic invaders from the reviving Reich, led by kudrins and counts, just want to introduce the power of their masters on the territory of Russia.

excuse me ... now who is the "boss"?

[Leeds]

And it’s not always good to make money with us without the help of Husit’s missiles ...

[Gardamir]

It is a pity that

That is, you are now trying to hang noodles that Kudrin and Shoigu are not the same field of berries? Well, yes, yes, recently, two twin brothers Zolotov and Navalny entertained the country with their showdowns, now these. Kuzhugetych your supported Yelitsin in the days of the October Revolution in 1993 ..

[carstorm 11]

well supported so what? the whole country was divided into different directions. Do you want to blame it now? it was not necessary to ruin the country and not the consequences now poke in the face. disassembly for financing was and will be. each department has its own reasons. I come across this in miniature within the company and this is a common thing. It is important not only what they say to each other, but what each one does in his department. I can’t evaluate Kudrin, and judging by the text, Shoigu is not going to give up and is struggling so that he would not be drastically reduced as many people want. army spending is always a topic for explaining their need it must be able to.

[Gardamir]

well supported so what?

On the night of October 3–4, 1993, at the request of Yegor Gaidar, he promised to allocate 1000 assault rifles for him from the civil defense system subordinate to him

[Sergej1972]

And General Surovikin, the current commander of the VKS, was arrested after the events of 1991 related to the State Emergency Committee.

[Sergej1972]

Yes, a significant part of the population in 1991 and 1993. supported Yeltsin. This is also a fact. Although many people try not to remember their support of the then president, and some are generally ashamed of this. I do not think that Rutskoi and Khasbulatov were the best options.

[ltc35]

In the 91st, Grachev betrayed us, having subsequently received his thirty pieces of silver as the Minister of Defense. We were against Yeltsin. But Rutskoi and Khasbulatov would certainly not be worse than the one mentioned above.

[Lexus]

that Kudrin and Shoigu are not the same field of berries?

One "pile of seeds".

[naidas]

Quote: Gardamir

Kudrin and Shoigu not one field of berries?

Of course not one berry field. Shoigu fixes wherever you put, but wherever you put Kudrin's problems.

[kapitan281271]

Quote: Gardamir

That is, you are now trying to hang noodles that Kudrin and Shoigu are not the same field of berries? Well, yes, yes, recently, two twin brothers Zolotov and Navalny entertained the country with their showdowns, now these. Kuzhugetych your supported Yelitsin in the days of the October Revolution in 1993 ..

Well, for starters, E.BE.NE, of course ********* (there are very Russian words behind the stars with a full description of this person), but the only way that he did this was to crush his opponents in 1993, I note specifically I am writing YOURSELF, because they most likely have not been enemies of Russia, and perhaps they were even people really worried about the fate of their homeland. But here, it’s completely clear to me that they could not take power, and if God had not succeeded in doing this, then in that situation the country would have plunged into such chaos and abyss of bloodshed that Chechnya, Donbass, would have seemed to us childish morning party. And Shoigu as a person is not stupid, and understands what is happening, took the side of E.BE.NE I assure you by understanding who he is. But on the scales there was, on the one hand, a serious civil conflict with a lot of blood and, probably, the collapse of the country, and the temporary preservation of the power of an uprising. The choice is obvious to me. You apparently have a different opinion.

[venik]

Quote: Olegater

In general, it is correctly said who does not feed his army, feeds someone else's.

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Unfortunately, you have to feed YOUR army ..... Too BIG army ... "curls", "siluanovs", "grefs", Chubais "and passing through and through ..........
Here is WHERE you need to CUT expenses !!! And "under the root"!

[Gardamir]

Unfortunately, you have to feed YOUR army ..... Too BIG army ... "curls", "siluanovs", "grefs", Chubais "and passing through and through

And who makes? Is it really a patriotic king on their side?

[venik]

Quote: Gardamir

And who makes? Is it really a patriotic king on their side?

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"..... As long as you break the boyars, you have to live seven lives! ..." ("The Tobacco Captain")

[Victor Orthodox]

Quote: Gardamir

Unfortunately, you have to feed YOUR army ..... Too BIG army ... "curls", "siluanovs", "grefs", Chubais "and passing through and through

And who makes? Is it really a patriotic king on their side?

The president’s power is limited, and he, being the guarantor of the Constitution, only coordinates the implementation of these laws, without exclusive powers and real, in the understanding of the average man, power.
The appropriation of power, its seizure is prosecuted by law. This is Article 1.4 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation. In fact, what the president does is determined by three branches of government: parliament, the judiciary, and the executive branch. The President, on the other hand, controls the correctness of the decisions made, for example, when appointing specific individuals to a public position.
He cannot personally appoint the one he considers necessary. (Art. 83 para. g, Art. 103 para. a), his competence does not include the appointment of judges of the Supreme Court and the Prosecutor General (Art. 83, 102).
According to the Constitution, the president is deprived of the power to amend the Constitution (Articles 134-135), has no right to pass laws (Articles 105, 107, 108), to interpret them (Articles 125 paragraph 5) - all this is the prerogative of the parliament. He has no right to refuse to endorse them (Article 107 paragraph 3, he also does not have the authority to ratify and denounce international treaties (Article 106 paragraph d). He does not have the right to initiate and hold a referendum (Article 84).
The Duma is not subordinate to the president, but the Federation Council is endowed with powers that allow him to remove the president from office if the Duma has materials that can be used by it as charges against the head of state.
The president and the central bank do not manage. It is an independent body that conducts an independent financial policy, and in fact it owns all of Russia's "foreign exchange reserves." At the same time, the instructions of the International Monetary Fund are binding on him.
To organize a referendum and amend or amend the Constitution, it is necessary to convene a Constitutional Assembly. But in the legislation of the country there is no law on the Constitutional Assembly. The Federation Council and the State Duma tried several times to adopt this law, but each time it did not gain the required number of votes.

[Herman 4223]

What you wrote, not everyone will understand. It should be easier. We are a US financial colony. The president is the secretary of the paper to sign.

[vic02]

No need to blame on the Constitution. The Constitution does not prohibit limiting the income of the oligarchy and the export of capital from the country to progressive tax and duties. That's why it is the Constitution, so that no one could change it as he pleases in his interests.

instructions of the International Monetary Fund are binding on him

And the fact that this is a lie, even its authors from NOD recognized.

[Herman 4223]

Where such recognition share. What UN international agencies give out is becoming part of our legal system.

[vic02]

I spoke with some of the members. Recently, they have been talking not about “orders” but about “recommendations”, although they continue their mantras that “recommendations are binding”, although these recommendations have nothing to do with international law. And when asked why the conclusion of the Venice Commission No. 658/2011 of March 20, 2012, CDL-AD (2012) 003, directly related to the law, was ignored, with a direct indication that Federal Law No. 54 on meetings and rallies does not correspond to international law, when the fact that the VC - the official body on the constitutional law of the CE - an international organization of which the Russian Federation is a member - are silent like fish.

[Herman 4223]

Who told you that the commission’s conclusion was ignored? The constitutional court took up it, and this law has a new edition of 2018, there are no contradictions with the recommendations of the Venetian commission in the new edition.

[Herman 4223]

"Don't blame the constitution" And what about the fact that this constitution deprives us of economic, legal, ideological sovereignty. Who cares to see this: https://youtu.be/108yQSunVrI

[vic02]

When the authorities need it, they do not pay attention to the Constitution. For example, pension reform and paragraph 2 of Art. 55.

[Herman 4223]

There are no contradictions, the right to retirement has not been taken away from you. Freedom too. The release dates have been changed in accordance with the recommendations of international institutions.

[vic02]

the right to retirement has not been taken away from you

Petty wording. Clause 2 speaks of "derogation", i.e. on the implementation of such regulation, which would infringe on the very essence of this or that right and would lead to the loss of its real content. Taking into account the average life expectancy of men, which has practically not changed since the time of the USSR and is about 65 years old, the right to retire at 65 instead of 60 is purely “belittling”. And "the obligation to follow the recommendations" is generally from the field of alternative giftedness.

[Herman 4223]

And what can you do, the recommendations are being implemented. The constitution says: 4. The generally recognized principles and norms of international law and international treaties of the Russian Federation are an integral part of its legal system. If other rules are established by an international treaty of the Russian Federation than those provided by law, the rules of the international treaty shall apply. There are international NORMS for retirement. Article 2, paragraph 26, of the international convention 102. It indicates the age of 65 years or more. International law has supremacy over ours and there is nothing to be done about it.

[vic02]

I to you from the heart recommend read the meaning of the words "recommend, recommendation" in the Russian dictionary. For example, if someone was given a recommendation to go somewhere, this does not mean at all that he must go there. So don't read it. But ignorance of the Russian language does not give you any advantages. This is in addition to the fact that the IMF's recommendations have nothing to do with international law. All legal regulations must be adopted in accordance with the established procedure. As a result of what is the recognized procedure for the adoption of the IMF recommendation became a legislative act, where is it registered, what is its registration number?

[Herman 4223]

I don’t know about giftedness, but recommendations are given to us taking into account international norms and law, which have the supremacy over our law and there are no grounds for not fulfilling them. The same Convention 102 indicates the retirement age of a person and not specifically a man. So in the future, additional changes await us.

[Cat man null]

Quote: Herman 4223

ideological

Correct the manual: in the word "ideological" the letter "a" is not, in its place - the letter "o".

[Victor Orthodox]

Let's just say that I definitely can’t say and know what and whether all IMF orders are binding on the Central Bank and the Russian government. But. One can say for sure that the IMF first gives its recommendations, and then these recommendations are implemented by the government.
The only difference is that as one comrade boasted: the IMF recommended raising VAT by 4 percent, but we did not listen and raised it by two

[Revival]

Enough already ...
We are already discussing such nonsense Boris55 trained.
1) Art. 83 of the Constitution: the president submits to the Federation Council candidates for appointment to the post of judges of the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation, the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation; appoints judges of other federal courts.
2) the president presents the candidacy of the chairman of the government.
Art. 111 of the Constitution: After a three-fold rejection of the nominations of the Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation by the State Duma, the President of the Russian Federation appoints the Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation, dissolves the State Duma and sets new elections.
Art. 117 of the Constitution: the President of the Russian Federation may decide to resign the Government of the Russian Federation.
P3. The State Duma may express no confidence in the Government of the Russian Federation. The decision on no confidence in the Government of the Russian Federation is adopted by a majority vote of the total number of deputies of the State Duma. After the State Duma expresses no confidence in the Government of the Russian Federation, the President of the Russian Federation has the right to announce the resignation of the Government of the Russian Federation or to disagree with the decision of the State Duma. If the State Duma reiterates its distrust of the Government of the Russian Federation within three months, the President of the Russian Federation announces the resignation of the Government or dissolves the State Duma.
So the president can get rid of both the Duma and the government with a very uncomplicated multi-pathway, or even without it.

[Victor Orthodox]

Like the Duma, it can get rid of the president.
Though the ideas of NODA are somewhat controversial, they have a logical basis, perhaps outdated at the moment, and they are the only ones who at least explain a little what is happening in the government.

[Lexus]

Is it really a patriotic king on their side?

"Tsaryok" said that he was "the most liberal liberal."

[ltc35]

On them, on them. And the patriotic king is more of an image. Otherwise "Unfortunately, you have to feed YOUR army ..... Too BIG army ..." curls "," silanovs "," grefs ", Chubais" and protchaya and protchaya "[i] [/ i] would not be.

[Svarog]

Kudrin entered into a dialogue through his Twitter account. He wrote that "the president has brought defense spending to a reasonable amount, and now the new goal is efficiency."

When the president sets new goals, and in this case, Kudrin knows about them and they are now called -efficiency .. oh horror .. All this time the president called the government-effective, but it did not achieve goals, now the president decided to set the goal -efficiency .. They are there healthy at all? I mean on my head ..

[Gardamir]

They are there..?

before the jokes were about Shtirlitsa and Vassily Ivanovich, now everything is political.
"- it was recently announced that the economy has slowed down,
that is, before that she was standing, and now she also slowed down? "
And so we live, life is a solid joke, but not happy.

[Boris55]

Quote: Gardamir

that is, before that she was standing, and now she also slowed down? "

So before the sanctions, she stood horizontally, and in connection with the sanctions, she bent over, so she had to press the brake so that she would not slide.

[Lexus]

"- it was recently announced that the economy has slowed down,
that is, before that she was standing, and now she also slowed down? "

On the side of the road it is supposed to "turn on the parking brake".

[bessmertniy]

In 2008-2010, judging by his declaration, Kudrin received an annual income of 60-10 million rubles a year. Today, probably more. It is known that, together with his wife, he owns real estate at least 1,5 billion rubles. It seems to me how to reduce the budget for military expenses, he needs to take care of reducing his income and unnecessary real estate objects to such an honest and principled person like him.

[Sergey Obraztsov]

In this case, I will suddenly take the side of "liberda" and say that the former Minister of Finance of the country is able to make money with his mind. Poor economist, this is ridiculous and stupid ... I would definitely not admit such positions to positions.

[Vadim237]

"Kudrin received from 6 to 10 million rubles a year" - It must be admitted that some kind of meager payment per year for the Minister of Economic Development.

[Vadim237]

And what goals it did not achieve - in those days when there were no sanctions and all the attendant crises - list the goals not achieved, before the events described above.

[Victor Orthodox]

For me, so Kudrin just dismissed on time.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Olegater

It is a pity that Sergey Kozhugetovich answered this ...... too intelligently.

I agree completely.

[snake]

Quote: Olegater

It is a pity that Sergey Kozhugetovich answered this ...... too intelligently. And probably the special services should take a closer look at such a figure,

And people continue to believe in a performance with "good" security officials and "bad" liberals in power. And here I do not understand the role of Putin: Who is he? A powerful hero who at a glance knocks the oligarchs to their knees, or a splinter drawn by the stormy sewage of Russian politics? The same Kudrin is a chick from Sobchak's nest, just like a fabulous one. All play their roles: the "liberals" tease the people with resonant speeches and deeds, and the "siloviki" threaten them with a finger. Wash off, repeat. All of them are smeared with the same world: Shoigu, Kudrin, Gref, and Naibulina. We must not forget (we have already recalled here) that it was Shoyga who helped Yeltsin in 93. Line from Wiki:
"Gaidar received a guarantee from the chairman of the State Committee for Emergency Situations S. K. Shoigu that, if necessary, weapons would be distributed to demonstrators - supporters of Yeltsin."
By the way, Kuzhugetich is also the president of the Russian Geographical Society. Do we have no "Paganels" for this position? When will we wait for the "pastry maker to bake the pies, and the shoemaker to bake the spogues"? Is there no suitable person for the post of Minister of Defense in the entire career officer corps? I do not believe. If Putin were a real patriot, he would have found a way to rid the country of parasites. But - "we do not abandon our own."

[Thrifty]

It’s time for Kudrin to resign, for he is both a practicing economist and a talented politician!

[SNEAKY]

God with you And if you take a sober look? How much does Roskosmos take to dust? ... it’s even inconvenient to transfer, so that you don’t take other people's money. Only the United States saws on the military, and we just steal a bit))

[Nehist]

As an economist, Kudrin is a competent person, but he is saving in the wrong (or maybe Tu) direction.

[Geo]

Quote: Nehist

As an economist, Kudrin is a competent person

Oh, you know better))

[Gardamir]

it's time to resign

You are against the appointment of the president, then against the president.

[Svarog]

Quote: Thrifty

It’s time for Kudrin to resign, for he is both a practicing economist and a talented politician!

Yes! but Putin considers it effective, Putin also considers the Medvedev government effective, but the overwhelming population of the country does not agree with Putin, and Putin is not interested in the opinion of the country's population .. Effective .. you understand .. and that’s it!

[bessmertniy]

It's a shame that all sorts of jackals spoil the wolf pack.

[snake]

Quote: bessmertniy

It's a shame that all sorts of jackals spoil the wolf pack.

It's a shame (for wolves) when a snake ball is compared to a wolf pack.

[To be or not to be]

"Putin is not interested in the opinion of the country's population .."
Manage RUSSIA is not on the forum to sit early ...

Moscow. Kremlin. Putin From 22.09.19/XNUMX/XNUMX

[snake]

Quote: To be or not to be

Manage RUSSIA is not on the forum to sit early ...

Pavel Zarubin, are you this?

[To be or not to be]

No .. not Pavel and not Zarubin ...
I just remember well the 90s of the last century .. Drunken walk around and .... cemeteries ... young guys ...
Do you want this again for Russia .. ???
Then I'm not with you. ..You towards the USA ... Yours there ..

[To be or not to be]

Not on the sickly "sausage" "demons" of the local spill and from foreign from special propaganda, which confirms their desire to return to chaos in the country ...

[snake]

Quote: To be or not to be

I just remember well the 90s of the last century .. Drunken walk around and .... cemeteries ... young guys ...
Do you want this again for Russia .. ???

I just can't understand why the Zaputins always have only one alternative to the current government? Only one option is back to the ̶b̶u̶d̶u̶sh̶e̶e̶ 90s. After all, as you know, even if you are eaten, you have two options. How do you explain that even in the terrible, terrible 90s, no one raised the retirement age, and now you will? Don't you think that if you change all these Kudrins, Grefs and Siluanovs, this will be beneficial for the country? But the fact of the matter is that no one will change them - they are from the same "clip" with an irreplaceable one. This means that nothing good can be expected for Russia.

[To be or not to be]

serpent (Sergey) Today, 10:19

Quote: To be or not to be
Manage RUSSIA is not on the forum to sit early ...

Pavel Zarubin, is it you? "
That "Moscow. Kremlin Putin" is like Viagra to you ... very exciting ???

[snake]

Quote: To be or not to be

That "Moscow. Kremlin Putin" is like Viagra to you ... very exciting ???

I do not know who this program excites, but I dare to suggest that even some of the Zaputinians are sick of the cheap, sugary and wretched propaganda that the Nightingale and their Padawan play there. This Zarubin almost drags himself in the restroom behind Putin, and he looks out of his pants with delight. The poor fellow, of course, has his tongue covered in bloody corns.

[Vadim237]

At these forums, they also conclude trillion-dollar agreements - but you are not in the business of doing this for you.

[Vadim237]

Indeed, there are others, in the current situation, in terms of effectiveness, they would not have gone far from them. The growth of the economy is due to the high demand for goods and services, including export deliveries, foreign investment - now it is tight: sanctions, foreign loans do not, raw materials are not worth much commodity growth in the supply of Russian products, but it is insignificant nationwide how much we buy and produce from us — everyone would like to produce to the maximum — but not everyone is eager to buy and buy all this — the last word is left to consumers who buy what they want and how much t

[nikolaj1703]

He evaluates everything from the point of view of an accountant accountant.

[Vadim237]

In a country's macroeconomics without bookkeeping and accounting, it is impossible to evaluate anything.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Thrifty

It’s time for Kudrin to resign, for he is both a practicing economist and a talented politician!

To remove Kudrin, you must first remove his friends from the Kremlin ...
After 65 years, there should not be a single person in power (officials, deputies, employees). I have not seen a single reigning world chess champion over 65, and chess is a strategy.
The "pyramidal" style of power itself presupposes the principle of democratic centralism:
- The sovereignty of the people.
- Election of governing structures.
- Accountability to voters.
The sovereignty of the people? Of the three provisions, we were left with the election of governing structures. And the remaining old senility and in youth did not report, and even in old age, when they, like the same HMS hope for people's forgiveness by repenting from the screen, or even not, they can not even wait for any intelligible explanations for their affairs and actions.
And the only thing annoying me is that there are people who are happy with this situation. They do not believe in logic, they (they themselves probably understand that this is not so) still insist that these boyars are bad, and that the tsar, the tsar-father, is honest, kind and just. And in this one cannot agree with them. With only one caveat. He was never honest - the concept of honor among traitors is absent, but kind and fair for some reason to his close circle and "bosom" (who hold him by the Adam's apple and, well, in no way, can not get the proper kick into free floating on the liberal market ocean ) to friends.

[RUSS]

Quote: Thrifty

It’s time for Kudrin to resign, for he is both a practicing economist and a talented politician!

So he does not work now in the economic bloc, and does not go into politics.

[samarin1969]

For news consumers, Shoigu got the role of a "good policeman", and the person with the photo - ... the corresponding one. That's all the simple technology of power.

[Grandfather]

Quote: samarin1969

For news consumers, Shoigu got the role of a "good policeman", and the person with the photo - ... the corresponding one. That's all the simple technology of power.

can elections on the nose?

[Titsen]

Quote: Olegater

It is a pity that Sergey Kozhugetovich answered this ...... too intelligently.

Found an intlegent!

At the head of the Ministry of Defense should be an officer-general who has completed all posts, starting with the platoon commander!

Not the Ministry of Emergency Situations, a civilian minister with connections in "higher spheres"

[Thrall]

Quote: Titsen

MoD should be led by an officer-general

Why not the admiral?

[Nehist]

The Defense Ministry does not have to be at the head of the military! There is just an organizer, a business manager is needed! But his first deputies should be personnel, and it’s precisely according to the branches of the armed forces, and not as now where is the tankman at the head of the aircraft ...

[Gardamir]

does not have to be military!

Have you been laughing at European defense ministers here for a long time? Like all women.
And the business executive should be deputy on the rear. And then leave these calls, we heard them in the late 80s.

[Nehist]

Sorry, but the gynecologist or the teaching manager doesn’t pull

[AU Ivanov.]

Ustinov Dmitry Fedorovich, Ministry of Defense of the USSR 1976-1984. He was not a professional military man.

[carstorm 11]

and meanwhile, the person is right. The ministry should be led by a manager and not from this industry. and among them, of course, there are leaders from God, but the transition to global governance is not given by itself. the pilot will be in charge of the Moscow Region; what are the chances that this kind of troops will not worry more than what is needed for balance? and you can verify this only by giving him such power. the manager, even from another department, has no priorities with which he was loaded with all his years of service. but he knows how to effectively build relationships in a team and make a result. and this is very difficult to learn in the troops. in this regard, Shoigu's candidacy was perfect in every sense.

[Starover_Z]

Quote: Titsen

Quote: Olegater

It is a pity that Sergey Kozhugetovich answered this ...... too intelligently.

Found an intlegent!
At the head of the Ministry of Defense should be an officer-general who has completed all posts, starting with the platoon commander!
Not the Ministry of Emergency Situations, a civilian minister with connections in "higher spheres"

You, TitsenDo not like the Ministry of Emergency Situations Minister of Civil Affairs? So maybe you liked the previous Minister of Defense more ?! Of course, I and not alone would agree to

At the head of the Ministry of Defense should be an officer-general who has completed all posts, starting with the platoon commander!

Yes, they do not put forward something!

[Gardamir]

So maybe you liked the previous Minister of Defense more ?!

Strange country, there is no alternative anywhere. For the role of the president of the horse, Secretary of Defense director of sawing. We have a country of five?

[Nehist]

Do not believe it, but at the moment, the person I do not respect is the commander in chief! And so 20 years unfortunately :(

[Gardamir]

Unfortunately

Understand. But sometimes the changes happen imperceptibly. Many in June 1991 did not even know that in six months the Union would be gone. Who knows tomorrow you will wake up, and there is "Swan Lake".

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Gardamir

For the role of the president of the horse, Secretary of Defense director of sawing. We have a country of five?

Our country is multimillion, and if more Russian passports are issued, it will become even larger. Only the jury (panel of judges, selection committee) - maybe out of five people with their own rules, manners, habits, preferences, conditions, concepts ...

[Starover_Z]

Quote: ROSS 42

Only the jury (panel of judges, selection committee) - maybe out of five people with their own rules, manners, habits, preferences, conditions, concepts ...

And in some "young" states, half of the parliament consists of gentlemen who, in addition to local citizenship, citizenship and other states. And they sit quietly and write laws and decrees, but in whose interests - this is learned much later!

[Lexus]

So maybe you liked the previous Minister of Defense more ?!

And he was put (approx. In prison) for "successes"? No! Moreover, he did not even fall out of the cage.

Yes, they do not put forward something!

In the "family" everything is in business. And "from the street" is impossible. "Narodishko" must know "their place".

[To be or not to be]

Erroneous opinion. For the strategist there is the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. Here the role of the military personality is important.
Russian defense ministers since 1991. Dossier
Konstantin Kobets (1991) Konstantin Kobets (1939-2012), a graduate of the Kiev Military School of Communications, the Military Academy of Communications and the Military Academy of the General Staff of the USSR Armed Forces. ...
Pavel Grachev (1992-1996) ...
Igor Rodionov (1996-1997) ...
Igor Sergeev (1997-2001) ...
Sergey Ivanov (2001-2007) ...
Anatoly Serdyukov (2007-2012) ...
Sergey Shoigu (2012 - present)

[Lipchanin]

In response to this, users advised Kudrin and Shoigu to meet in person and discuss claims about spending money,

Correctly! And then they took fashion through the Internet to bark. We agreed, gathered a press conference, spoke out, answered the questions of journalists. And we ourselves (people) will figure out who and what.

[SNEAKY]

Well, a little closer to the essence of the question. Somewhere in the "administrations" a bit since the evening for the health of Russia, and in the morning you can laugh at the cameras with Twitter at the fools. It's a delicate matter

[To be or not to be]

"And then they took the fashion through the Internet to bark"

..why not ? Trump is possible, so the rest can be ....
Their skirmish is not for them. They are perfectly in the subject. And they know on whose ears it is ...
What is the evidence of the interview given by the Minister of Defense.
Here it would be necessary to read and discuss it first .. There are a lot of interesting first-hand
(“This is the first detailed interview I have been giving in seven years!” The RF Minister of Defense, Hero of Russia, Army General Sergei Shoigu told me before the start of our almost two-hour conversation.)
https://e-news.pro/in-russia/298277-ne-hvataet-nastroeniya-i-duha-carivshih-v-sssr-sergey-shoygu-rasskazal-kak-spasali-rossiyskuyu-armiyu-bolshoe-intervyu.html
The interview is similar to summarizing His (, MO, General Staff and the country) major activities ... ??? ....... ??????? ... About Siberia, the City said the Dream to build. Siberia and Dilnik Vostok on the agenda ???
Even Kudrin, after an interview with Shoigu, called defense spending reasonable

[evgen1221]

In short, in pursuit of the loud heading of the fat money, the text was slightly corrected, so the meaning slightly changed, plus I didn’t know the polemics of the prehistory (about Putin's words), as a result, the pans gagged a little and the journalist seemed to be inviolable - they are untouchable and infallible.

[edeligor]

Want to poop? Firstly, none of those close to the body of the "great and mighty" simply "picks", nor the heir of Gaidar, not our minister. Everything is done exclusively for "the cause and for the good of the cause." Secondly, large-scale reductions of civil servants have already been announced, and in order to attract the Ministry of Defense to such a God-pleasing cause, everything is happening. Now the conclusion - wait friends, new reductions and optimizations in the MO. They do not optimize themselves in directorates and headquarters, but the regiment-brigade link ...

[Nehist]

Gg is the funniest !!! Military personnel are not civil servants, but civilian personnel of the Ministry of Defense are such. Country of parodox ...

[vmo]

Everyone imagines himself to be strategists seeing a battle with ...... well, you know further, you should be gathered into the government, that would be a locksmith, but weren't you roaring in the 90s and fighting for freedom, you got both freedom and a drunkard president, with your team, you almost drank Russia, so "gentlemen" shut up and get down to really necessary business.

[Leshy1975]

Quote: vmo

Everyone imagines himself to be strategists seeing a battle with ...... well, you know further, you should be gathered into the government, that would be a locksmith, but weren't you roaring in the 90s and fighting for freedom, you got both freedom and a drunkard president, with your team, you almost drank Russia, so "gentlemen" shut up and get down to really necessary business.

1) Well, maybe many advocated, although for the preservation of the USSR, there was still a majority.
2) And certainly for

president drunkard with his team

Most of all, it was his team that advocated. The members of which, lo and behold, this great miracle, still remain in power. And yes, even Mr. P. himself, is also not at all weak for

president drunkard

advocated. So hard that he provided him with a dizzying career take-off, right up to the top post in the country. Looks like he trusted a lot. Well, Mr. P, to this day for

president drunkard

advocates. How is it that I’m not following myself, with the second center planned by Yeltsin, now in Moscow?
3)

and to the government, if only they would

Yeah, so few people will be able to make out as the current non-replaceable government. How are they coping with the acceleration of the extinction of the population and the growth of the economy? Well, okay, that means they can, and maybe these goals are, in reality, they are facing them.
After these, you can already take anyone, very much worse.
4)

so gentlemen

Well, as you know, gentlemen, this is more and more abroad, I'm talking about high-ranking officials from the presidential team - wives, children are foreign citizens, and they themselves, as they leave, tend to go there. Reunite with your family, so to speak. So, the cry of "gentlemen", this is not about us.
5)

do the right thing

And we are engaged, of course, in our opinion, because power and everything suits you, really necessary thing: want to achieve a change of power. I won’t stand for everyone, I’ll say for myself, the results of the rule of this government have gotten too much: growth of poverty and extinction of the population.
And these two well-known, sad results of the activity of the authorities will not override any, for the most part, imaginary successes.
On the fic such power, if the population is impoverished and dying? For whom are the authorities trying? And why is layering obligated to endure this endlessly?
5)

shut up

Well, you know how to conduct a reasoned dialogue when necessary. Just exactly like the current government. Maybe you will immediately call on Rosgvardia as the strongest "argument".

[Ehanatone]

"shut up
Well, you know how to conduct a reasoned dialogue when necessary "
Thanks, have fun!

[Paranoid50]

Quote: vmo

"gentlemen" shut up and get down to the really necessary business.

You, Vyacheslav, are now swaying at the holy. To take away from hobby domestic favorite activity ... Yes, let them be - they are cool, funny. It is already high time for some of them to be awarded some kind of media award for creating a caricatured image of an "oppa-man in the street" on a separate resource.
There are several of them here.
Sounding time measuring
To a good question
Ready to answer with a moo
But looking around, I see that their appearance
It’s no coincidence, very no coincidence ...
BG

[for]

Quote: Olegater

It is a pity that Sergey Kozhugetovich answered this ...... too intelligently. And probably the special services should take a closer look at such a figure, against the backdrop of an aggravation of the situation, such statements are a betrayal.

Agree to the end and about those who appointed him.

[steelmaker]

Since the views of Kudrin are preferable for our president than the views of Glazyev, so Kudrin always gets his way! He said that it is necessary to reduce defense spending - they reduced it, said that the retirement age should be increased - increased. Therefore, everything that Kudrin says comes true. Though not immediately, but coming true. There is still a proposal from Chubais to make a 3-year education and the fact that he is not yet retired for such proposals speaks volumes.

[AAK]

Kudrin, Gref, Chubais, Oreshkin, Nabiullin and the like must be constantly pressed in the media and on the Internet, all the more - there is always something to do ... On the one hand, they do not care, but on the other hand, if you call a person a pig, then it will begin to grunt and really show its pig essence ... But to be surrounded by pigs behaving like a pig, you won’t like even you yourself know who ...

[georggy]

In response to this, users advised Kudrin and Shoigu to meet in person and discuss claims about spending money.

What should they discuss?
Both amateurs in their posts.

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

THINKING OUT LOUD. There is nothing "outstanding" behind the skirmish between Shoigu and Kudrin that could somehow influence the internal political struggle in Russia between the two main rivals in power - not the "siloviki" from the Politblok. Primakov, nor the "economist lawyers" from the Politblok im. Sobchak. Why? In any state there are three "forces" capable of changing power - these are the "siloviki" (FSB and the Ministry of Internal Affairs - the internal protection of the government), the army (the Ministry of Defense - as external protection) and "oligarchs" (economic protection). “Oligarchs” here should be understood not in the literal sense, here people are rather wealthy and have a significant impact on the state of the state's economy. A struggle for supremacy in power is taking place between these three blocks in the ruling elite. But this is theory.
In today's Russia, only two "forces" are fighting for supremacy in power - "siloviks" and "economists", the army, thanks to the efforts of Yeltsin-Putin, is now excluded from this political struggle (finally, Serdyukov performed the task of excluding the army's influence on the struggle within the political elite). But without a strong army, as the events of 2008 showed, the state cannot exist, and therefore Shoigu was appointed to this post as a policy of "autonomous" - neither Primakovs, nor Sobchakians consider Shoigu theirs. Shoigu (and this is his personal plus as a politician) managed to maintain his "autonomy" under Yeltsin, and under Putin, and under Medvedev, and again during the "second coming" of Putin. What we see and hear from Shoigu against a representative of one or another side of the government is just the protection of his "political autonomy" when someone from the top or those close to Putin or Medvedev tries to get into Shoigu's sphere of interests (yesterday it was the Ministry of Emergencies, today the Ministry of Defense ). Shoigu always used such "harsh" words to show - "don't go where you were not invited" - this primarily concerns individuals - "climbers" like Kudrin.
Shoigu is not a military man (not a soldier) and never was, Shoigu is a strong "autonomous" manager who, with his "autonomy", simultaneously solves two tasks in the struggle of political blocs: 1 - prevents the "army men" from becoming the third competitor in the struggle for supremacy in power , 2 - does not allow the generals to be "used" in the political interests of one of the parties.

[SNEAKY]

Putin-Yeltsin ... down to feces. Like advice without megabukf: Clearly, clearly, and everyone will love))) And their hohlyatsky dogmas with you) And without a hundred in the morning

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

For

SNEAKY (Alexander)

Alexander, what did you want to say to me? I understand that you are a fighter of the couch front, but you can't show your wretchedness so openly))) Do you speak Russian or do you only communicate with "emoticons" in life? If you disagree on something, please - strain your gray substance in the skull and write "meaningful" sentences, and not a set of idle "megabukf")))

[Ehanatone]

"megabukf: Clearly, clearly, and everyone will love"
what people smoke that!?! ...

[Chaldon48]

How and how much do I feed at the top you need to look at the site "Zakupki. Ru"

[mavrus]

Quote: Dead Day

Kudrin himself, as you can see, said that he "has not considered this for a long time."

he counts as ordered.

Quote: Olegater

that these economic invaders from the reviving Reich, led by kudrins and counts, just want to introduce the power of their masters on the territory of Russia.

excuse me ... now who is the "boss"?

Who was.

[Corn]

... users advised Kudrin and Shoigu to meet in person and discuss claims about spending money, if any, "one-on-one like a man" ...

and here’s how you can’t remember comrade Zolotov)) It’s time to restore the dueling code at the legislative level, especially since Shoigu and Kudrin have palaces in the neighborhood, they probably often go to each other to eat and drink “sanctions”

[axiles100682]

Yes, the normal situation is a conflict of interests between the two ministries, the task of one is to save as much as possible, the other should ensure the country's defense ability. They agree, they will find a consensus is okay.

[yehat]

Quote: Gardamir

Kuzhugetych your supported Yelitsin

in 1993 he was a good figure, if he had 3 plans and did not solve essentially anything.

[ZVS]

All right, Kudrin said and it was not worth it to explain. Shoigu so easily throws money out of the military budget on projects not related to defense capability, that it is time for the Accounts Chamber to check army affairs. At the time when the Moscow Region pays military pensions, it easily throws money out for various air shows, military shows, etc.

[pepel]

"I said that further reductions are not required to meet defense objectives. Now the goal is efficiency." - "excuse" of the purest water. He does not even answer for voi words. In one word, loeberal.

[Ehanatone]

Both of them eat from the same trough, everything else is a theatrical production! ...

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: Gardamir

It is a pity that

That is, you are now trying to hang noodles that Kudrin and Shoigu are not the same field of berries? Well, yes, yes, recently, two twin brothers Zolotov and Navalny entertained the country with their showdowns, now these. Kuzhugetych your supported Yelitsin in the days of the October Revolution in 1993 ..

Change the garbage in the head.
Russia, by definition, cannot be a parliamentary republic. Only the presidential. Or the monarchy.
Do you think it's better that not a drunkard, but a dictator ruled, or a crap-fighter for justice Imranich, who is in every possible way adapting to the "world order", who occupied a 400-meter apartment in an elite building? Why are you indignant? The Heavenly Father, who is in charge of EVERYTHING, can better see which path we all should follow. And without Him, as you know ...

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: SU

All right, Kudrin said and it was not worth it to explain. Shoigu so easily throws money out of the military budget on projects not related to defense capability, that it is time for the Accounts Chamber to check army affairs. At the time when the Moscow Region pays military pensions, it easily throws money out for various air shows, military shows, etc.

No air show, etc. , which cost a penny, compared with the benefits of advertising our weapons, increasing sales, you don’t know why, yet, is Russia the second largest exporter of this iron? Name (except bread and energy) what else can Russia boast of?

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: Ehanatone

Both of them eat from the same trough, everything else is a theatrical production! ...

But one ensures that enemies and brothers (former) do not get you fucked up, and another serit is at your plate.

[Incvizitor]

That's just nothing to do with this geek, he climbed into the defense industry, well, it's boring to just wipe a chair.

[faterdom]

Kudrin himself, as you can see, said that he already "has not considered this for a long time"

"I have my own opinion, but I do not agree with him!"

users advised Kudrin and Shoigu to meet in person and discuss claims about spending money, if any, “one-on-one like a man”

Moreover, modestly recalling that the second founding father of EP is A.A. Karelin, and the most significant member is N. Valuev.

[Adimius38]

Kudrin correctly said goal-effectiveness. The amount allocated for defense should work efficiently. So far, this is still not happening, hundreds of millions are wasted for some failed projects, at the same time funds are being spent on at least ten to fifteen drones projects, you are asked what money to go nowhere? Create finally at least one strike drone, are engaged wastefulness. The same is true for armored combat vehicles, so much money has been swelled into this Kurganets and it’s no use. And it’s unlikely that the troops will need it at all. For example, there is a very successful Boomerang platform, so work on it. And so everywhere

[Lynx33]

Why do you have zero sense there? Such a thing as disinformation has not been canceled. And in the new developments there were, are, and will be mistakes, that would insure against them at least a little, money should be orders of magnitude more.

[Lynx33]

Executives on Twitter generally need to be driven away from work with a ban on holding executive posts.