Shoigu responded to Kudrin’s statement about "too much army spending"

Russian economists need to think not about big expenses, but about small incomes and how to make them big. With these words, Defense Minister Shoigu commented on the statement by the head of the Accounts Chamber, Alexei Kudrin, about the allegedly "too large military budget of Russia." Interview with Sergei Shoigu published in the Moscow Komsomolets. "

Commenting on Kudrin’s constant statements about too much spending on the Russian army, which, according to him, are unbearable for Russia, the head of the military department recalled the words of the satirist Mikhail Zhvanetsky.

In Soviet times, there was such a work by Mikhail Mikhailovich Zhvanetsky. Literally, I will not remember him. But the point was that we have few sausages, and we have many. There are few trousers, but we ourselves are many. We have not enough soap, but we are many. Conclusion: we should be less. The moaning about the fact that we have a bloated defense budget is built, it seems to me, on a very similar logic

- declared Shoigu.

According to the minister, Russian economists need to think not about big expenses, but about small incomes and work to make these small incomes big.

Our Armed forces have already been reduced by almost half. We are invited to be guided by certain vague criteria - many, unreasonably many, excessively many. But I do not know such units!

Said the Minister.

He acknowledged that it is necessary to save the budget, but this must be done with specific proposals, not general phrases.

As an example of cost savings, Shoigu cited the installation of metering devices for resources consumed by the army housing and communal services, which allowed several times to reduce housing costs. What did the Defense Ministry do it themselves, and none of the economists suggested ways to reduce costs.

As soon as 120 of thousands of metering devices were installed, housing and communal services expenses fell significantly. Why not a single clever economist, marketer or financier has told us this before: there are no metering devices in the army. The army, which means the state, was simply "ripped off like sticky" due to this

- he stressed.

Comments

[Destiny]

Here I agree, do not want to feed your army, you will feed someone else's ..

[Honest Citizen]

Russian economists need to think not about big expenses, but about small incomes and how to make them big.

Great answer.
PS To disperse the Duma, the Federation Council, to confiscate deputies, ministers and their faithful "assistants" - you stroke, and the budget for five years with such a positive balance will be overwhelmed.

[Starover_Z]

Quote: Honest Citizen

Russian economists need to think not about big expenses, but about small incomes and how to make them big.

Great answer.
PS To disperse the Duma, the Federation Council, to confiscate deputies, ministers and their faithful "assistants" - you stroke, and the budget for five years with such a positive balance will be overwhelmed.

And in my opinion we have too many economists and lawyers, but there is no sense in them!

[sabakina]

Quote: Starover_Z

com many economists and lawyers, but there is no sense in them!

This is because we do not have ACCOUNTANTS, but a bunch of economists in black quadrangular headgear.

[Sergey39]

I would add - in British hats.

[vladimirZ]

The Government needs to deal with the economy, not "raising incomes." Because the "increase in income" for them is equal to the increase in taxes, and this is a direct path to the extinction of the economy. But our (and is it ours) Government does not want to be guided by this in principle, for them economic work is the collection of taxes and the division of the budget.

[monah]

Quote: sabakina

Quote: Starover_Z

com many economists and lawyers, but there is no sense in them!

This is because we do not have ACCOUNTANTS, but a bunch of economists in black quadrangular headgear.

Gold words! In the district in the accounting department there were 2 accountants and a cashier, from the technology of brushes and "felix", now a whole floor with computers and smart faces!

[Ross xnumx]

Right now, I just once found out that "shchety" - this is the usual cantor "accounts".

And I whisper trembling lips:
"Great is the mighty Russian language!"

[skrabplus.ru]

And in business and in life I have exclusively golovopy and hand-assed accountants, I won’t be surprised if there aren’t any good ones, or 1-2 pieces

[2 Level Advisor]

as well as normal lawyers

[kupitman]

On the contrary, the fact is that ACCOUNTANTS are sitting in our government, it is just a purely accounting approach to money that leads to Kudrin’s conclusions, instead of investing money they hold them back.

[kit88]

And in my opinion we have too many economists and lawyers, but there is no sense in them!

And we also have 8 effective managers for one "nut" made by one hard worker.

[Starover_Z]

Quote: kit88

And in my opinion we have too many economists and lawyers, but there is no sense in them!

And we also have 8 effective managers for one "nut" made by one hard worker.

It would probably be more correct to call them "effective menachers"!

[skrabplus.ru]

One slave and two foremen

[LeftPers]

One with a bipod, seven with a spoon
But seriously, dismissing a dozen "curls" will save the budget.

[Rzzz]

By the way, about the economists. At one small shipyard, the salary of a certified hull welder, who, with all the certification, is higher than that of the chief accountant. When I asked the director of the plant why this is so, he said: “If you want to, I’ll find a chief accountant if I want to, but I have two personnel officers recruiting welders throughout the former USSR. From Odessa to Khabarovsk. There are very few people who can be found, factories do not even hesitate to lure away from each other.

[SSR]

Quote: Starover_Z

Quote: Honest Citizen

Russian economists need to think not about big expenses, but about small incomes and how to make them big.

Great answer.
PS To disperse the Duma, the Federation Council, to confiscate deputies, ministers and their faithful "assistants" - you stroke, and the budget for five years with such a positive balance will be overwhelmed.

And in my opinion we have too many economists and lawyers, but there is no sense in them!

I was walking here recently at our enterprise and to a meeting with a flock of merchants, and then someone said earlier, "the economy must be economical"!
I was just shuddered to a vomiting reflex, frostbitten Chubaisogaydarites, I still remember how one such "economist" was told that the economy should be reasonable.

[pru-pavel]

“The economy should be economical” (the full text was: “The economy should be economical - this is the requirement of the times”) - the thesis (which later became a political slogan), voiced at the XXVI Congress of the CPSU in a report by Leonid Brezhnev.
And for some reason, Brezhnev was not answered

[Metallurg_2]

Brezhnev himself did not understand what he was carrying - he read what was written.

[hydrox]

Now the slogan should be more acute and relevant:
"THE ECONOMY MUST BE!"
But the liberals shove it somewhere far away from the eyes of people — and people don’t walk with a microscope and look for this damned economy — eat hotstsa, but there are no jobs.

[Honest Citizen]

Now the slogan should be more acute and relevant:
"THE ECONOMY MUST BE!"

But no. Even shorter: "ECONOMY SHOULD!"

[Tomich3]

A lot of them. Just try to find a good lawyer or accountant. This is another quest)

[Major Yurik]

Quote: Tomic3

A lot of them. Just try to find a good lawyer or accountant. This is another quest)

Yeah, yeah!
A commercial enterprise is urgently looking for a new accountant-economist. However, it is also looking for the old!

[cradle]

fiercely plyusuyu- lawyers and economists, like dogs not cut, no one to work. And they generate a lot of stupid sentences. Leave 10% in the economy, the rest are shovels and saws in the teeth and on construction sites in Siberia. Both the economy is growing and the mass of unemployed white-collar workers and a piece of bread and butter. Wellcame to Sibir. We are waiting.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Honest Citizen

Disperse the Duma, Federation Council, confiscate deputies, ministers and their faithful "assistants"

Really. Something too big expenses for this audience without corresponding return.

[hydrox]

You still forgot to include the listed beau monde on your list of hosts: then it will be possible to blur not only the defense budget, but ALL social expenses - too many parasites are sucked into the Russian budget ...

[Valery Valery]

Shoigu - "handsome", Kudrin - no!

[sabakina]

Quote: Valery Valery

Shoigu - "handsome", Kudrin - no!

Quasimodo?

[Oleg_p]

Honestly - OK. Literally, he is a "geek of liberalism"

[cradle]

Quasimord

[dauria]

Shoigu - "handsome", Kudrin - no!

Swap places - nothing will change. PR and "devotion" cannot improve the economy.

[Cat man null]

Quote: dauria

Let's change places - nothing will change. PR and "devotion" will not boost the economy

Since when is the MoD responsible for "raising the economy"?

The army needs the economy (and the country) was. And to raise the economy is a matter of completely different, ahem, departments ...

[Misha Honest]

Quote: Cat Man Null

Since when is the MoD responsible for "raising the economy"?

For 40 years, no one has been responsible for the Russian economy ...

[Oleg_p]

Better "army", Shoigu, than this Kudrin, who "pro ... al" all the money from oil over $ 100 a barrel. And now there is nothing left but to raise the "retirement age".

[Vadim237]

What does it mean to prosral - Russia thanks to this money in the Stabilization Fund and the National Welfare Fund during the entire crisis of 2008 - 2010 lived on until the year 2017 when there was not enough money in the budget.

[Rzzz]

Quote: Cat Man Null

Since when is the MoD responsible for "raising the economy"?

Always and in the most direct way. And in any normal country.

[Cat man null]

Quote: rzzz

Always and most directly

About the "immediate image" - in more detail, if not difficult, of course.

Quote: rzzz

And in any normal country

Uh-huh ... let's use the example of a "normal country", I will listen with pleasure

[cradle]

Shoigu's task is not to raise it, the task is not to be "let down" by Kudrin's overseas friends arriving in tanks. As my company commander used to say at the military school: Each ram must wear its own ...

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Valery Valery

Shoigu - "handsome", Kudrin - no!

How do you object?

[cradle]

we are discussing Shoigu (Minister of Defense) and Kudrin, not their children. And do not pull out different photos (successful and not successful).

[Chaldon48]

He is now with a positive balance, many times the authorities have stated that Russia has no debts.

[Hto tama]

I agree with you, Honest Citizen. In my opinion, the country's economy will begin to develop only when the death penalty is restored in the Russian Federation and, above all, for economic crimes. When such a thing as immunity disappears from our legislation. Reducing the bloated bureaucrats and their salaries, let them work for the minimum salary in their region (he will strive for what), and for stealing and fraudulent schemes apply not only the highest measure, but also the complete confiscation of property from the whole stealing family. I understand that this will not happen, only -Other will not succeed in raising our economy

[kupitman]

no, it won’t start, the development of the economy does not collect in any way with a death penalty. All that you wrote is just your Wishlist, a reduction in the number of officials in the short term will only save on expenses for civil servants, it’s not a lot of money.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: kupitman

no, it won’t start, the development of the economy does not collect in any way with a death penalty.

When you write a related verse, you should note that "correlation", and in plain trespass

"relationship" The economy and the death penalty are obvious. They go hand in hand through life, motivating various officials to be content with more modest requests. For this is the only way to become a leader:

Or so:

[Galleon]

Quote: Hto tama

when the death penalty will be restored in the Russian Federation, and above all for economic crimes

Do you want us to apply this measure for tax evasion? And if you make a mistake with taxes?

Quote: Hto tama

when the concept of immunity disappears from our law

Don't worry, it has already disappeared: unknown people will approach you on the street, search, check the contents of your phone - what if there is a "forbidden" Telegram for which you can be detained?
Whoa tama, but in general that you do not live? Do you think that if these measures you proposed are taken, they will be immediately turned against the thieves who are with the money? Yes, they will be turned against ordinary sermyag! Is it only the absence of the death penalty that prevents corruption from flourishing and the state system to rot? Oh, if only it were that simple. As "their" people sat there, they will continue to do so. And the execution and "touched" plans will be carried out for those who were so eager for these measures.

[Hto tama]

If something can be perverted, you did it brilliantly, in my opinion I clearly expressed my opinion on what economic crimes I mean this time. Secondly, I expressed my agreement with the comment of Honest Citizen, and precisely this immunity I mean (the immunity of deputies, judges, etc., etc.). Third and probably most importantly, I wrote that I understand perfectly well that this will not happen, that those in power will never adopt laws, which in what they will be limited. I only expressed my opinion with which many probably agree, but these are just the hopes and aspirations of ordinary people, something that everyone experiences, probably, seeing all the injustice in our society.

[Galleon]

The trouble is not that I showed the reverse side of your measures, but the trouble is that the adoption of these and any other measures will not change anything without a change in the political will of the main power, without a change in the main power and the course of eliminating the thieves' elites. To take such measures now - and these measures will deal not with those who stole millions and settled down well, but with those who are defenseless, who voted for these measures out of "hope and aspiration." It's a shame you don't understand this.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Galleon

The trouble is not that I showed the other side of your measures, but the trouble is that the adoption of these and any other measures nothing will change without changing the political will of the main government

Why are you so "modest"? Is it just to change the will? Have you tried to force the wolves to chew grass? The wolfish nature of capitalism is that it requires more and more food at the expense of others. It is precisely in this that the strikingly rapid accumulation of capital alone lies against the background of the shameful impoverishment of the masses. Here it is not the will to be changed, but the socio-economic formation. As for the death penalty, sometimes it can be replaced by other types of punishments, so that this would not happen with the most remarkable Minister of Defense in the world:

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Honest Citizen

PS To disperse the Duma, the Federation Council, to confiscate deputies, ministers and their faithful "assistants" - you stroke, and the budget for five years with such a positive balance will be overwhelmed.

Do you propose to return to autocracy? The Duma is needed, but, of course, in a different quality and quantity. Based on the principle, one head is good ... As for the Federation Council, I think this is an extra feeder for officials and no more. Federation Council can veto the decision of the Duma? So people in the Federation Council are smarter and more informed than in the Duma? Then why the hell is the Duma?
There should be one thing left and there should be smart people with practical experience in managing large prom. enterprises, regions, etc., and not valuev. I respect the boxer Valuev, but the deputy ... Valuev ... excuse me.
And as for the confiscations .., take your time, first a criminal case, investigation, trial, and only then - confiscation.

[Sergej1972]

In federal states there are usually two houses of parliament, there is nothing to be done.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Sergej1972

In federal states there are usually two houses of parliament, there is nothing to be done.

Who ordered us to have two chambers of parliament, and we MUST obey?
I forgot about my attitude to Shoigu's answer, - as V. Bogomolov said through the lips of his hero in "The Moment of Truth" - "In my heart I applauded him."

[Sergej1972]

Our country is a federal state. One of the chambers of parliament in a federal state personifies the equality of subjects, regardless of their population and economic potential, and / or serves to protect the interests of the subjects. Or, as in the FRG, formally there is no second chamber, but there is a special body, the Bundesrat, with the help of which the states participate in decision-making at the federal level. There are only two examples of unicameral parliaments in the world in a federal state. The current one is Venezuela, but in this country, under all regimes, federalism was semi-nominal, and the federation was super-centralized. And at one time a unicameral parliament was in the "old" Pakistan, before it was divided into present-day Pakistan and Bangladesh.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Sergej1972

Our country is a federal state.

So what?
[quote = serves to protect the interests of subjects. [/ quote]
In practice, this comes out as - "pulling the blanket over yourself." And I hope you understand that this is not a state approach.

Quote: Sergej1972

There are only two examples in the world

And without examples in any way? Do you have to be a monkey? And to neglect their historical experience? In Russia, in the USSR there was always a unicameral "parliament" and nothing worked.
But it is better to adopt the experience of the USSR. The sun is not professional. That is, the people's deputies came to the session, adopted the laws prepared by the Presidium of the Supreme Council and ... on workplaces, in the midst of the people. And today the so-called "professional" parliament is very far from the people, does not know and does not want to know the needs of the people and protects not the interests of the people, but its own narrow clan interests.

[Sergej1972]

Duplicate your comment. In the Russian Empire, the parliament consisted of the State Duma and the State Council. In the USSR, the Supreme Council consisted of two chambers - the Council of the Union and the Council of Nationalities. So you are wrong.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Sergej1972

State Duma and State Council. In the USSR, the Supreme Council consisted of two chambers - the Council of the Union and the Council of Nationalities. So you are wrong.

Yes. Thank you for reminding.

[Sergej1972]

And what depended on these deputies of the Armed Forces of the USSR and the Armed Forces of the Union Republics? Even the Presidium of the Armed Forces did not have real power. Have they at least once in the period from the mid-30s to the end of the 80s criticized the actions of the highest party-state leadership? But it made a lot of mistakes and some changed their own decisions. At least once on their initiative a large-ranking official was dismissed? The real power was in the hands of party structures, as well as Sovminov (Union and Republican) and executive committees. Deputies were allowed to criticize the actions of only local minor figures.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Sergej1972

Have they at least once in the period from the mid-30s to the end of the 80s criticized the actions of the highest party-state leadership? But it made a lot of mistakes and part

You see, in my youth I also often criticized. And then I realized that it’s easy to criticize when you don’t have all the information on the issue. And when you get to the core of the issue, but consider all its component and related, then criticism is often stupid and inappropriate. In addition, if criticizing something, you do not offer something obviously better, then this is not criticism, but criticism. Therefore, deputies of the USSR Armed Forces did not criticize, or rather, did not criticize.
From the standpoint of today, it seems to us that the "party and state leadership" made a lot of mistakes. And if you try to get into their "skin", I mean the international political situation at that time, and the political and economic situation inside the country, then where is the guarantee that you would have acted differently?
You probably think what the secretary general said - did the executive branch? This is not true. Decisions were not made right away. Not only the Central Committee worked on these decisions, but also analytical centers, the State Planning Committee, and a host of research institutes.
I am not saying that there were no errors. But who is safe from them? Maybe our president? I am silent about our government.
And today it is only audible from all sides - that the Soviet leadership was only engaged in what made mistakes.
You might think that the tsar and the tsarist government did not make mistakes, and the post-Soviet government of Russia even more so.

Quote: Sergej1972

The real power was in the hands of party structures, as well as Sovminov (Union and Republican) and executive committees.

And to you, what's the difference in whose hands real power? What do you want from her? A comfortable life, right?
Do you think that if Stalin had managed, as planned, to transfer power from the party to the Soviets, then life in the country would immediately become better?
And why did you get the idea that in the Soviet bodies of all ranks the quality level of workers was better than in the party bodies?

[cradle]

IVS said: I do not agree, criticize, criticize, offer, offer, do, do, answer.
All is said.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Sergej1972

In federal states there are usually two houses of parliament, there's nothing to be done.

And you need to do something!
For in federal states the subjects of the federation have the right to equal development on the basis of the degree of subsidization and infusion from a common boiler. Or is it simply necessary to hold such a cancerous tumor as the Principality of Moscow and continue to buy loyalty with billions of donations, as in ... well, you know?

[Astronaut]

The Duma is needed, but, of course, in a different quality and quantity. Based on the principle, one head is good ... As for the Federation Council, I think this is an extra feeder for officials

Well, you know very well that our liberal leadership copies all the structures of government, like many laws from "our partners".
But our own ancestors of the mind to understand, just the mind and not enough. Indeed, in the Russian Empire and the USSR, in modern language, there was a unicameral parliament.

[Sergej1972]

In the Russian Empire, the parliament consisted of the State Duma and the State Council. In the USSR, the Supreme Council consisted of two chambers - the Council of the Union and the Council of Nationalities. So you are wrong.

[Astronaut]

Yes, got excited ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: Honest Citizen

Russian economists need to think not about big expenses, but about small incomes and how to make them big.

Great answer.
PS To disperse the Duma, the Federation Council, to confiscate deputies, ministers and their faithful "assistants" - you stroke, and the budget for five years with such a positive balance will be overwhelmed.

For themselves, loved ones, they will always make big profits.

[APASUS]

Quote: Honest Citizen

to confiscate deputies, ministers and their faithful "assistants" -

How could such a thing have occurred to you, this is all acquired by overwork!

[Severok]

And also here:

Why not a single clever economist, marketer or financier has told us this before: there are no metering devices in the army.

we have NO smart economists and financiers. They do not know how to plan the development of the revenue base by reducing the tax burden on enterprises. They only know how to rip off everyone and everything, and then lament that taxes are not paid, that salaries go into the shadows. Of course, salaries will go into the background if the fiscal burden on wage funds is almost 75% of the total fund!

[Reklastik]

PS To disperse the Duma, the Federation Council, to confiscate deputies, ministers and their faithful "assistants" - you stroke, and the budget for five years with such a positive balance will be overwhelmed.

- that would be the perfect answer.

[lucul]

Here I agree, do not want to feed your army, you will feed someone else's ..

It is difficult for people with "banking"thinking ...

[knn54]

Vitaly, their real estate, accounts are "guarded" by ANOTHER army ...

[sir.jonn]

Quote: knn54

guarded by "ANOTHER army.

Alien!

[Lbt21]

No theirs! But not the fact that they are ours!

[iConst]

Quote: lucul

It is difficult for people with a "banking" mind to understand ...

It's different - do you think that he does not understand what he is saying? Nothing like this!
Such as he was and are the conductors of the destructive Gaidar schobla equipped with State Department manuals of the sample of the late 90s - early 00s.
Nobody canceled the task for him. He is forced to continue his line.
Ask yourself why so many obvious, to put it mildly, not effective managers are still on important posts?

[Lipchanin]

Quote: lucul

It is difficult for people with a "banking" mind to understand ...

Yes, but the question is. Bankers do not have such concepts.

many, unreasonably many, excessively many.

They have everything to the penny.
And rightly, Shoigu poked his nose into it

[hydrox]

Quote: lucul

It is difficult for people with a "banking" mind to understand ...

This is who banking thinking? At the accountant Kudrin?
He has a completely different numbering system from ours: "Everything to friends, and to the rest - according to the law", which means that it has been privatized. EVERYTHING that has not been stolen earlier.

[Non liberoid Russian]

Kudrin doesn’t have banking thinking, but don’t understand that ... a normal banker will first of all create the opportunity to work his money, and this one hid it in a small capsule, and with foreign liquidity

[depressant]

For people like Kudrin, the country is concentrated within the Garden Ring, therefore it looks small, the army is large. Let it creep out and finally see our vast expanses and gigantic extent of the border. In such circumstances, saving on the army is a disgrace to Kudrin. Correctly said Shoigu!

[iConst]

Quote: depressant

For people like Kudrin, the country is concentrated within the Garden Ring

I do not agree. For such, our country is just a resource that you need to sell in any way with the maximum benefit for yourself.
Take your word - this shobla, as soon as she retires, will drive off over the hill, to the cozy mansions and villas in advance stored.

[Rzzz]

Quote: iConst

as soon as retire

Yes, to hell there, do not wait. From their rat affairs they will only be carried away with their feet forward, with honor, directly to the cemetery in the hills. That is their nature. What prevents the same Chubais in Monaco from retiring? Is there really not enough pennies, or has the retirement age not yet come out? Or is he on his own recognizance, knows too many secrets?

[sabakina]

Quote: depressant

Let it creep out and finally see our vast expanses and gigantic extent of the border.

Lyudmila, do not tell my slippers! even when Kudrin makes an air flight, he thinks that the picture behind the porthole is a design decision!

[Non liberoid Russian]

will not come out, a tomato in the face immediately catches the rotten or worse

[Kontrik]

Quote: Destiny

Here I agree, do not want to feed your army, you will feed someone else's ..

Shoigu had just such a hint .. And Kudrin, who was still a "underground worker", realized that as long as the Russian Army is strong, it cannot be destroyed .. Putin, with a hint, put him at the head of the Accounts Chamber .. So count, analyze it ..
But in general, everything is fine, as Kudrin understood to see!

Remember the end of the 80s? The collapse of the USSR began precisely with the humiliation of the Army, they were afraid to walk in the uniforms of Moscow in uniform, they could even kill .. And the soldiers, were begging from hunger and hopelessness .. (at the missile points, they were also starving, I remember the officers asking for help with food)
Kudrin correctly figured out how to ruin Russia ..

[hydrox]

Everything is clear here: Kudrin has a liberal mentality, and his concepts are categorically against the order that the army, the police, with unlimited monetary arbitrariness and lawlessness in the economy, precisely with lawlessness reigning in society.

[novel66]

stop braining your brains !!!

[hydrox]

I’m not curly, your Kudrin is curling!

[novel66]

my call was addressed directly to him !!

[hydrox]

In the coffin, he saw our calls: That's interesting - will he be scared or ignore the trunk?

[Rzzz]

Quote: hydrox

Will he be scared or ignore the trunk?

The FSO and the guardsmen of the marshal duelist will not let the FSO close to him with a barrel.

[hydrox]

Quote: rzzz

and the guardsmen of the marshal duelist.

"And the first marshal will lead us into battle!"
This will lead ...

[Kontrik]

Quote: hydrox

Kudrin has a liberal mentality, and his concepts are categorically against the order that of the army, that of the policeman, with unlimited monetary arbitrariness and lawlessness in the economy, precisely with the lawlessness reigning in society.

That's even how .. So in power he did not find any violations? Only in financing the Russian Army and Navy? Interesting hehe
Tipo wants to be reduced (the oligarchy is not enough)))))
Ah yes Putin, that’s the whole essence of crap, crap, etc.
Let it work, maybe something else will be revealed (Jewish money, etc. for the collapse of Russia?)))

[Rzzz]

Quote: Kontrik

Oh yes Putin

And you did not try to think that Putin has nothing to do with it. I mean, not at all, this character has no power at all. He is a hired showman, a little taller than a nightingale-kissel, all he needs to do is make smart statements on cameras and give hands to his colleagues from other countries.
What worries me most in this situation is the fact that I don’t understand who gives commands to him, who actually rules our country. But the fact that people like Chubais and Kudrin (and even Dimon iPhoneovich) in this hierarchy are clearly higher than the one we consider to be the guarantor - this is very likely.

[hydrox]

The listed ones, after all, they are public - not necessarily higher, they may be equal, but the real "managers" remain, as expected, on the sidelines and in the shade.

[Vadim T.]

Kontrik, you said it right. Unfortunately, this Kudrin allows himself a lot of things, because he enjoys the unlimited trust of the guarantor. It would be better if he dealt with the drain of capital and tax evasion by the oligarchs, even if it would be of some use. So no - they are his own, you can’t touch them. But the army and state employees such as him would be optimized to the bitter end. He does not need an army, science, education, medicine - all this and his homeland in addition to the curls there, beyond the hill.

[Non liberoid Russian]

the leak is to the central bank, and taxes are to the tax, Kudrin is now watching the development of state funds

[hydrox]

That's right, and Kudrin can say that the cut is in full swing and all the funds are used by the participants of the cut and are transferred to offshore accounts regularly, B / Britain has no complaints, the Finest registry of Russian enemies keeps without errors and exceptions.
He promises that he will freeze accounts and download funds according to notifications of a known standard, that, as before, extraditions of criminals to Russia will not be made.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Kontrik

..And Kudrin, he is still a "underground worker"

He is not an underground. Here he sits openly and honors the HMS:

[Kontrik]

Quote: ROSS 42

Quote: Kontrik

..And Kudrin, he is still a "underground worker"

He is not an underground. Here he sits openly and honors the HMS:

Great photo all three trophy about the collapse of Russia !!!!!
But they didn’t succeed and the people curse them ..
PS / "Machine of the Jews" So it was and then the Makar threw everyone, including Russia .. (curly devil) And we believed him ..
And he spat in our souls ..

[Dikson]

Great photo And the American ambassador? And all such characters ...

[ROSS_51]

in uniform they were afraid to walk the streets of Moscow, they could even kill .. And the soldiers, begged for hunger and hopelessness ..

Do not carry nonsense? In uniform, they could kill somewhere in Kirovobad, and in Moscow soldiers and officers walked calmly, no one was afraid of anything. And what kind of soldiers did you ask for alms? Where did you get such "historians" from?

Himself served an emergency in the late 80s. They fed, as if for slaughter .. oops .. pun intended.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Destiny

you don’t want to feed your army, you will feed someone else’s ..

Moreover, much better than he would feed his own.

[Trotil42]

For comments on budget cuts ....need to plant... this year almost the same amount of money was sent for bank reorganization (Binbank. Opening ... etc). More were removed from the country .. The losses on RUSNANO .. ROSKOSMOS (East) are huge ... Alas, this our financial unit ..

[hydrox]

Yeah, now tell HOW do you put him if he is a representative of the authorities who want to destroy both the army and the military-industrial complex?

[Trotil42]

There would be a desire ... remember Ulyukaev .. just a desire is not visible .. but there is support .. even I do not give a damn about the people .. pension reform is a memory .. because in reality it does not balance the pension budget ...

[hydrox]

And what about Ulyukaev?
Ulyukaev is a search for a form of controlling the liberd, a trial ball, but it has shown that this method does not work, and the rams are very active, therefore the method was pushed aside, it seems that for a while, however, we still have to clean the Liberian stables, or we’ll and liberde is a holiday.
A pension reform will not be forgiven for ANYONE from the managerial elite, especially since the power rating continues to fall uncontrollably and even discussion of the length of the working week cannot overshadow the pension reform.

[Trotil42]

The darkest has repeatedly declared his liberdism .... he had a lot of time to strangle the liberd ... it seems he couldn’t strangle himself ... too bogged down .. he won’t manage ..

[depressant]

Kontrik, you're right! We will not let destroy our Army!
Look what kind of a lip was rolled out on the army budget. And the fact that Chubais profiled 18 billion on tablets and silicon panels is kind of normal. And it turns out that it’s normal that annually $ 75 billion disappears somewhere under secret budget items - that’s also normal. And the budget surplus with the aggregate of unused funds by entrepreneurs in the amount of 28 trillion rubles is also normal, but it needs to be taken away from the army. A mediocre accountant wants to leave us defenseless. Will not work! Stop cutting the military budget. On the contrary, in the changing international situation (missile treaty), it must be drastically increased.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Trotil42

For statements about budget cuts .... planting is necessary ...

And what should be done with those who spend money allocated to eliminate the effects of flooding at banquets?
You know, this phrase: "A raven will not peck out a crow's eyes," already sounds like an axiom, like a provision of the law on combating corruption.

[Trotil42]

The decision is actually simple ... deduct from the salary ... audit .. But this will not ...

[hydrox]

Do you offer the culprits to take one eye out?
The decision is bold, I would join, but for starters, maybe it makes sense to chop off the finger (starting from the left hand, then the left foot, and then take off your head if it doesn’t reach ...?

[NEXUS]

Quote: Destiny

Here I agree, do not want to feed your army, you will feed someone else's ..

In the thought, agents of influence were everywhere in parliament and Kudrin is one of them. The Western way of life, values, the pursuit of dollars and the desire to pump all the oil to the drop in order to lead the planet to destruction.
The question is, does the Kremlin tolerate these agents of influence in power? Surely here some citizens will say that Putin is also the same ... but from the zero, we were not taken away to the principalities, we do not plow on the plantations of the western masters and from heaven to ours bombs do not pour in their heads.
During the unipolar world, at least one state, at least one people became happier, more successful, richer?

[venik]

Quote: Destiny

Here I agree, do not want to feed your army, you will feed someone else's ..

Well, or an "army" of all kinds of "curls" ..... These are the ones that SHOULD be REDUCED !!!! Until "0" !!!

[Fotoceva62]

So Kudrin does not want to feed someone else's army. These gentlemen have their own army not in Russia. So, do not be surprised ...

[smart ass]

Shoigu for president!

[Nikolay Fedorov]

Quote: Destiny

Here I agree, do not want to feed your army, you will feed someone else's ..

So this is Kudrin’s dream.

[Nadrub]

Kudrin? So he did everything to ruin the economy. Remember his words?
Aviation industry? She is not needed! There is a Boeing! Airbus! Buy from them.
He is the primary pest!

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Truth

Kudrin? So he did everything to ruin the economy ... He is a primary pest!

Well, then what is he still doing at his post?
After all, if the stars are lit, does anyone need this?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Vasyan1971

Well, then what is he still doing at his post?

Counts money. What did you think?

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Counts money. What did you think?

Question for the sake of cheap trolling?
Sorry, there’s no time for idle chatter at this time.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Vasyan1971

Question for the sake of cheap trolling?

No, nothing to do. Forgot who persuaded Kudrin to return? Valuable shot, no words, only matyugans.

[Nadrub]

It's just that he is from the iPhone clan, like Serdyukov And so on, here they shove these bugs into warm crevices and do not fire them. That same case .. when they don’t leave their own :)

[Vadim237]

"Well, what then is he still doing in his post?" Kudrin currently holds the post of head of the Accounts Chamber - at least he knows how to count well, since he is one of the few in the government in his place - with the necessary education.

[Nikalab]

Aviation industry? She is not needed! There is a Boeing! Airbus! Buy from them.

Can I refer to what he said? And then I did not find.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Truth

Kudrin? So he did everything to ruin the economy. Remember his words?
Aviation industry? She is not needed! There is a Boeing! Airbus! Buy from them.
He is the primary pest!

But the fabulous one does not think so. Here are two stories (just don’t say that they are taken out of context:

And the second one from 3:50

In the light of the above, can you tell me where the legs of the primary pest that walks with friends of the MOST come from?

[hydrox]

He is not a pest, he is simply an enemy of Russia.

[Vadim237]

"So he did everything to destroy the economy" - Don't bother to list what he did to destroy the economy - when he was the Minister of Economy and Finance of the Russian Federation.

[Mountain shooter]

Kudrin, Kudrin ... Budget with surplus, is it all the same? Gold reserves soon reached pre-crisis value (more than 530 mln. And a decent part - in gold) - again a little? Army expenditures must be reduced, followed by the military-industrial complex, which is just undergoing modernization. The chain will stretch to metallurgists, electronics engineers, further defense KB ... How would we repeat the past?

[iConst]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Kudrin, Kudrin ...

Yes, he understands everything. Ask yourself honestly - do you believe that people like him are even a little patriots?
This is the same Brzezin "elite". Fifth column.

[Kenxnumx]

Sense from this budget. The issue is not in surplus but in development. Gold reserves - this is either gold, deposited in custody or the currency in other people's banks. And GDP growth is provided mainly by resource prices.

[sabakina]

As they say (if they do not lie), our gold reserves have already blocked our public debt.

[hydrox]

This is not a repetition :: liberals see that their leadership of the country has already been allocated a very small time interval - so they are trying to reach out to everything that has not been plundered, not finished ...
It is no coincidence that there is talk about who it would be to put on the post of prime minister: Shoigu or Chemezov?

[toha124]

It is no accident that Yevkurov was returned from the republic. Moreover, an additional position was introduced for him. Perhaps they are preparing him for the minister.

[hydrox]

There is nothing to be done: Putin has no bench at all (this is not surprising, he spins exclusively in a liberal environment!), But this circumstance does not allow (and will not allow anyone!) To reform the economy :: either it will fall apart, or position will save the coup.

[Van 16]

Hmm .. and from Shoigu it is a much better economist than from Kudrin.

[Sarduor]

Perhaps he will make a much better president ....

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Sarduor

Perhaps he will make a much better president ....

A much better president will come from someone who does not lay eyes on "boobed women", and recruits people to the team based on the experience of real work and business, and not on the size of the wallet and children's habits.
As the ancients said:
"Socrates is a friend, but the closest friend is truth."
So far, our government resembles the Krylov quartet ...

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

Quote: Van 16

Hmm .. and from Shoigu it is a much better economist than from Kudrin.

The huge experience that he has is enough to fully analyze the economy and draw the right conclusions.

[Vasyan1971]

Russian economists need to think not about big expenses, but about small incomes and how to make them big.

Golden words!

[Reserve buildbat]

Kudrin is not a bad economist, but a good enemy. However, our entire "economic bloc of the government" is in dire need of a business trip to Novaya Zemlya for 25 years. Let them build an "economically efficient society" there. Under the supervision of the escorts.

[Dangerous]

Well, who will send them there? Really the one who set ??

[hydrox]

So the whole problem lies in the fact that it is necessary to shuffle this deck in terms of time and in zones, but there is absolutely no one to do this dirty business!

[Dangerous]

and who should you think? Our main? So he put them all 20 years ago, and still shuffles the same ones from place to place

[hydrox]

Of course not!
He is one of those who himself weaved liberal networks that still filter ALL that is living, which can modernize our economy - I understand that the head of the department should a politician, but there are questions in which he must either petrify himself or have a team that can decompose the entire Russian economy, and then from all this create a powerful working organism that works for the glory of Russia and the people.

[meandr51]

It does not interfere.

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

We have a very large country and the funds that go directly to the Army are not that big and they can even be said to be small.

[Dmitry Potapov]

And for me it is necessary to invest even more in the army, and even less in foreign assets, I do not like Kudrin, despite the fact that he has serious graters with DAM of which I do not like even more.

[hydrox]

Are you sure that these are real graters, and not the struggle of the Nanai boys?
Or even simpler: the two beta males did not share the banquet table ...?

[Dmitry Potapov]

Of course they slurp from one plate and the goal is the same, to fill their accounts, people, ordinary people to the lantern, but I like their squabbles among themselves, because. in a fit of bickering, they reveal each other's essence.

[hydrox]

But what essence, besides liberal, can have a professor's mother's son, who has never worked anywhere in his life?
Kudrin, even from a ministerial one, knows the art of intrigue and can, where is his hip and where is his shoulder - and what can his sissy counterpose to him?

[Ryaruav]

we will not finance the military-industrial complex, we will lose the last qualified personnel and industry with science in general

[The Sparkle]

Kudrin to call and send to the garrison in the taiga wilderness. There, warn him that supplies and food will be reduced for him in order to optimize the costs of the army and thereby save the budget. And he will immediately change his mind about "a lot".)))

[HAM]

Until such as Kudrin, Chubais, Medvedev with "portfolios" will not be of any use to their time in the 90s, well, they will not calm down ... liberals, mlyn.

[Kenxnumx]

So Shoigu did not serve. Trend however

[dauria]

So Shoigu did not serve.

But, but, don't scratch the polish. So much has been thrown into PR. He is not even appointed Minister of Health or Education, so as not to "drop" him.

[Sneaky Urus]

I agree. Kudrin is an unwise person.

[for]

Quote: Destiny

Here I agree, do not want to feed your army, you will feed someone else's ..

Is all the food going for the good of the army?

[Tests]

Or maybe there simply aren’t smart economists, marketers or financiers in power? All smart ones seem to be removed from power. And those in power, it seems, just pretend that they work and row everything for themselves. Example, yes, please. In each subject of the Russian Federation sits the Chief Federal Inspector for ... the region (territory, republic) of the apparatus of the plenipotentiary of the President of the Russian Federation in .... the federal district. It seems that he must, along with the prosecutor's office, monitor how the laws of the Russian Federation and the decrees of the President of the Russian Federation are implemented. According to the May Decree of the President back in 2012, the teacher should receive an average salary for the subject. In the Arkhangelsk region, says Rosstat, the average salary is 47 rubles today. So, the teacher for the rate - 000 hours a week, should receive at least 18 rubles. And my wife is 47 hours a week, with the 000st category (there are teachers without a category.), With the experience of more than 24 years (Ay, young teachers, where are you?), In Severodvinsk (In the Arkhangelsk region the same northern percent and coefficient only in the Mezensky, Pinezhsky and Leshukonsky districts and on Novaya Zemlya, yesterday it was snowing the first) it receives 1 30 rubles on hand. So can the prosecutor’s office or the office of the plenipotentiary of the President of the Russian Federation in the Northwestern Federal District multiply by 24? There is not much sense from them ...

[Kenxnumx]

And what is the headmaster’s salary?

[Vadim237]

"By a presidential decree back in 2012, the teacher should receive the average salary in the region." "Should receive" - ​​appeal for the future, including economic, implies growth - but alas, there was none, since 2014 there has been a steep stagnation - and only recently began to leave it.

[Kenxnumx]

Kudrin’s concern is to think about expenses and to see who assumes inappropriate expenses where. And judging by the comments - he copes with this.
And judging by income, taxes, pensions and other things also have a place to work. So that was what the barmaley to drive

[Alexzn]

Kudrin is a brilliant economist. True, he is a techie from the economy, a person who knows how to behave within the framework of the existing model, he does not create the model itself. He has been working in a bid for a long time with Putin, who creates the model. But Putin is a worthless economist, even worse than Medvedev.
In a nutshell ...

[pepel]

Finally, the liberals in the government received WB for their inactivity. Shoigu YOUNG !!!! And then they’re used to doing nothing, but at night, meat is torn from borsch.

[for]

Quote: Van 16

Hmm .. but from Shoigu it’s a much better economist than from Kudrin

As soon as 120 of thousands of metering devices were installed, housing and communal services expenses fell significantly. Why not a single clever economist, marketer or financier has told us this before: there are no metering devices in the army. The army, which means the state, was simply "ripped off like sticky" due to this

Women adjutants are more economical than men, making skirts cheaper than trousers.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Russian economists need to think not about big expenses, but about small incomes and how to make them big

Go crazy :))) Finally, Kudrin was called the key mistake of his economic policy :))))
By the way, Kudrin is not an economist. His approach is to come up with the correct distribution of available incomes, without thinking about how to increase these incomes, this is a purely accounting approach, but I know many accountants who were able to go beyond its framework. Kudrin could not.

[Town Hall]

Shoigu's answer is pure demagogy. Syllogisms and substitution of theses

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Town Hall

The answer of Shoigu is pure demagogy.

The answer is essentially absolutely correct and fair.

[Town Hall]

A strong business manager Shoigu, who needs economists to find out that installing meters helps reduce housing costs, is naturally far from understanding the simple truth that 10 tractors built instead of 1 tank will work and generate income. In contrast to a tank that will not bring any income , but only require further maintenance costs.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Town Hall

A strong business executive Shoigu, who needs economists to find out that installing meters helps reduce housing costs

No, not necessarily. He ordered to do this himself in 2014, before that the army had no counters. And no one suggested, yes. So the rebuke of Shoigu is quite as intended.

Quote: Town Hall

far from understanding the simple truth that 10 tractors built instead of an 1 tank will work and generate revenue

Simple truths, alas, are rarely true. 10 tractors built at the expense of the budget will not necessarily bring income, but in the maintenance they may turn out to be more expensive than the tank. But your proposal to the government to engage in agriculture shows well how far you are from understanding the functions of the country's leadership.

[Town Hall]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

. But your proposal to the government to do agriculture

You and Shoigu are colleagues in demagogy)

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Town Hall

You and Shoigu are colleagues in demagogy)

You are absolutely right, but only exactly the opposite. I wrote that Kudrin never understood that the government should actively engage in increasing the budget revenues through the development of the country's economy. For some reason, you hit into demagoguery, which has nothing to do with my remark.

[Town Hall]

In general, my remark is quite simple to understand. Expenditures on tanks reduce the revenue side of the budget. A ruble invested in a tractor brings income. A ruble invested in a tank reduces income

[hydrox]

Are you confusing anything?
Shoigu receives planes and tanks and his care, so that their number matches the tasks of the Russian defense, and you impose tractors on him, with which it is not known what the Defense Ministry will do.

[Kenxnumx]

Shoigu has such an order-bearing general in Accountants that where there Kudrin

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Town Hall

Response

Answer, answer ... I’m looking, before I’ve finished my eyes, I’ve worked out a watch on a watch ...

[vanavatny]

from the defense budget you can pinch off only on a rope with soap kudrin and other accountants-parasites on the body of the country

[aszzz888]

statements Kudrin

liberal laying ... just looking at his face makes you sick ...

[faterdom]

Quote: Ken71

Kudrin’s concern is to think about expenses and to see who assumes inappropriate expenses where. And judging by the comments - he copes with this.

Why not cope? After all, he himself for more than ten years set up skis on public money in a void veiled by verbiage. And so she knows what and how.
Only now they, with their like-minded friends Gref and Siluanov, somehow "accidentally" simultaneously attack the Ministry of Defense, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Russian Guard, sometimes the FSB (but here with caution), constantly advocating the need to cut them, cut costs on them, from the good , of course, motives - then we will heal.
In fact, this is a template used by the Americans in the late 80s, who does not remember ... "The army eats everything up", "Due to gigantic defense costs, we have no sausage, jeans and chewing gum, but now there is no soap , washing powders and sugar! "," The Ministry of Internal Affairs and the KGB are the watchdogs of the regime, they can do nothing but flatten the honest dissidents Novpodvorskaya and Sakharov! "
And now the cIA curators demand the same template from their pushers to advance again.
I didn’t believe them even in the 80s, but now everyone here doesn’t believe them. The only questionable is the Guarantor: does he believe? I don't think so. Then why do these people allow themselves such, and at the same time occupy such positions? Make them "free independent experts" to begin with. Independent of budget money to begin with.
And then for some reason we pay for these "experts" out of our own pockets, and very well.

[Coloneltank]

Tiles and borders in Moscow are not laid in three layers, but at least in two, I think in a couple of years a modern aircraft carrier would save money.

And if the cost of elite lip slap and cheese at $ 500 per kg is reduced, then there are also a dozen strategic bombers.

[mavrus]

Quote: Destiny

Here I agree, do not want to feed your army, you will feed someone else's ..

Everything is clear about the army. And if you don't want to feed your oligarchs? It is unlikely that you will feed strangers ... And feed your deputies (all levels)? And the bureaucrats? But they (oligarchs, deputies, bureaucrats ...) "eat up" much more than the army. Well, Kudrin and his curators, for some reason, don't care.

[cniza]

“As soon as 120 thousand metering devices were installed, the cost of housing and communal services dropped significantly. Why not a single smart economist, market leader or financier told us this before: there are no metering devices in the army. The army, which means the state, was simply "ripped off"

And still to ask where these extra utility bills were spent and are being spent.

[da Vinci]

"expenses on housing and communal services fell at times" Because ZhKG broke off to issue astronomical bills for kilotons of consumed water and gigawatts of energy.

[Vadim237]

And now the total debt for housing and communal services in Russia, according to the most conservative estimates, is more than 1,7 trillion rubles, and the depreciation of funds: water supply systems, electricity networks, sewer systems, treatment facilities, boiler houses and everything else more than 50%, and in some cities up to 80% and Trillions of rubles are needed to replace all this.

[The Siberian barber]

"Mister stash" did not specify where he would like to send the released funds))
Although, the answer is obvious, in a little capsule))
In general, it's funny: the economist was awarded the title "best" for storing money ...)))

[midshipman]

You can’t be offended by the small expenses for our Army. It would be better if Kudrin took up the assessment of the export of our capital by some individuals abroad. I will give examples: in the 80s, our state aviation had 4 times more aviation than at present; the number of airfields decreased by 4 times (in the Murmansk region there were 38 airfields, at present there are only 2), etc.

[Karaul14]

When problems start in the economy, the clash of clans for the budget escalates, and this is actually happening now, and under what slogans and quotes of works this action takes place, this is the third.

[depressant]

Absolutely true!
Do you remember how the president praised Kudrin for making a stash, and she supposedly helped us get through the 2008 crisis? How much fanfare there was about Kudrin! And then it turned out that it was "easy" not because the stash, but because the industry had already died before the crisis, and in 2008 there was almost nothing to go bankrupt - the stash was stolen from development.
It turns out that we are not developing, and thank God, it is easier to go through crises.

[Livonetc]

A system of checks and balances should work in everything.
The competitiveness of state institutions really works for success.
Each in its place and does its own thing.

[Vkd dvk]

But when, will these accountants be replaced by ECONOMISTS? Tired of idiots.

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: Livonetc

A system of checks and balances should work in everything.
The competitiveness of state institutions really works for success.
Each in its place and does its own thing.

Oluh King of Heaven. To oppose equality is to stand in the clinch and fall. Without a development strategy, which we have not been able to accept in checks and balances for 25 years .... During this time, they have not done anything significant, how to expand Moscow to 25 million devourers of the Russian budget. Make Moscow the center of contention and collapse of the country. Violation of the Constitutional norms in everything. Defenders of Moscow. Non-Moscow residents do not have anything that their fellow Muscovites have. Shame. Moscow additives were earned by Siberian oil workers, Kuzbass miners, and metallurgists of the Urals.

[Professor]

Russian economists need to think not about big expenses, but about small incomes and how to make them big. With these words, Defense Minister Shoigu commented on the statement of the head of the Accounts Chamber, Alexei Kudrin, about the alleged "too large military budget of Russia."

I have not met a single economist who would complain that the cost of the army is too small, however, as not a single general approving the money allocates too much to the army.

[Town Hall]

Between too high spending on the army and lost revenue, the connection is direct and linear. 60.000 corroded Soviet tanks are a good example of this

[misanthrope_2]

Kudrin would send all these denyushki to the states and would laugh further on the people.

[georggy]

Indeed, and what is the need for Kudrin and his department: only muddy the water and no more.

[depressant]

There is a need for the Accounts Chamber, for Kudrin, who heads it, no. In domestic politics, therefore, in foreign. Especially when it comes to the army.

[Lexus]

“Lovely scolding - only amuse”

A non-binding game to the public.

[ZVS]

Kudrin is partly right, he sees that the Defense Ministry spends a lot of money on activities and projects that are not inherent in the army. It finances some frankly failed projects that in a combat situation will not be needed at all, like Chechen buggies. And there are many similar "projects" to withdraw money from the Ministry of Defense.
I recall projects under the Ministry of Emergency Situations when Shoigu was the minister there, a huge amount of those financed equipment are gathering dust in warehouses. And forests, both burned and burn. And firefighters extinguish the woods with hand sprinklers (it’s good that they don’t douche). And cities, both drowned and drowned. Money was mastered immeasurably, and it is not capable of coping with natural disasters of the Ministry of Emergencies without an army, as in the past.

[Nikalab]

Not only this. Russia spends 3.9% of GDP on the army, the United States 3.2%, China 1.9%, so his words make sense.

[Ros 56]

To consider it would be necessary to learn, dear comrade. When comparing something, one must take the same values ​​as the base. And your alignment only indicates the weakness of our economy compared to America.

[Nikalab]

When comparing something, one must take the same values ​​as the base

No, you are wrong, this article examines the burden on the economy. If a large share of the budget is spent on security forces, then such an army begins to destroy the country itself. Kudrin correctly noted that we spend more on security forces than our economy can afford.

[ZVS]

So I learned to count, and you apparently heard a lot of television blah blah?
Why weekly air shows across the country for Air Force aerobatic teams paid by the Department of Defense? Why buggies in the army, if the country has a forest landscape? Why do we support Israeli UAV manufacturers instead of giving this money to our designers? Why buy weapons abroad when we ourselves can produce better and cheaper? Why was it necessary to change the uniform in the army every five years? For hell in the RF Armed Forces own film studio? Are they few throughout the country? Why do we need our own TV channel in the Armed Forces, if they show not American life and films about the army, but American militants ?.
Continue?
Then read this catch-up before justifying all these financial uglinesses of the Moscow Region. You should not use friendship with Putin to let our taxes go to waste. https://mywebs.su/blog/army/16848/

[Cat man null]

Quote: SU

Why weekly air shows across the country of the Air Force aerobatic teams ...

Cheers up ... or rather - weekly? And exactly - exactly the Moscow Region pays for them?

Quote: SU

Why buggies in the army, if it has a forest landscape?

The forest landscape "has" ... not everywhere. Where "does not have" - ​​buggy can come in handy too.

Shiroka-a-a-aaaa my country is native-aaaa ... remember, remember

Quote: SU

Why do we support Israeli UAV manufacturers instead of giving this money to our designers?

Apparently, because UAVs are needed now, but their own have not yet ripened ...

Designers, by the way, don't seem to be sitting without money, no?

Continue?

[Ros 56]

To school, to school, to study military affairs in this way. This is not me, this is V.I. Lenin said.
You learned to tweet, but not to think.

[depressant]

Yes, no matter how much we spend on the army ...
In 2018, Russia in terms of spending dropped from fifth place to SIXTH, losing fifth to France. Compare the area of ​​France and the length of its borders with similar Russian indicators. Objectively, we should spend the most on the army in the world. I do not call for this, but ignore the peculiarities of our territory, greedy, envious, partly hostile neighbors, the disinterested USA and cunning China somehow fail.

[Nikalab]

In 2018, Russia in terms of spending dropped from fifth to SIXTH

You do not take into account the depreciation of the ruble against the dollar, you need to look at just a fraction of the GDP, this is a more objective indicator of the burden on the economy, this article is about this

[ZVS]

Justifying the squandering of taxes collected from the people by the area of ​​the country is a sign that you have no idea at all how money is spent in the RF Armed Forces. There is an easy way to find out the objective truth, it's just to talk to the military. Not with soldiers, but with officers. Here they will tell you about the "square of the country", and about the quality of the apartments under construction for them, and about how, in preparation for the tank biathlon, a large number of tanks are annually rendered unusable, which are then repaired at enterprises.

[ZVS]

But I’m not talking about the amount of money allocated for defense, but about what this money is spent on. Here, read, this is just one example, but there are many. https://mywebs.su/blog/army/16848/

[Romanenko]

Tolley is the matter of our officials, just a penny goes to them.
But it’s interesting, did anyone consider how many military budgets the Russian army of officials steals and eats?

[AU Ivanov.]

The bulk of officials, that is, civil servants, get a penny. And dignitaries can be counted on the fingers.

[Ru_Na]

Kudrin, instead of putting money into a small pill, it would be better to think how to use it in the real economy!

[ZVS]

Kudrin goes about his business; he watches how the ministries spend money. And he does the thing, frankly, well. He was the first to openly talk about the inefficient spending of part of the money in the Ministry of Defense.

[Ros 56]

It is very difficult to disagree with Shoigu, and the Kudrin Economic Guard has long gone into the trash of history. Although they are not the guard at all, they are, from the economy.

[depressant]

Yes, it's hard to disagree. Just recently at the HE there was a discussion on the problems of training young pilots. Excluding the rest, we see that the fleet of training aircraft is clearly insufficient in number. At the same time, L-39 are junk, they are constantly breaking down, factories do not have time to repair them, and some of the planes are simply decommissioned due to unsuitability for repair. Write-offs go on. Yak-130 aircraft are too complicated for training, and they are also not enough. They did the development of a new aircraft, prepared documents, but while bureaucrats like Kudrin were approving them, the aircraft is outdated morally, does not correspond to the realities of the time. So R&D is needed again ... And so on everywhere. How to cut funding? Maybe cut some of the officials?

[Ros 56]

From 2020 it will be so, enough parasites to produce and spend money on them. So many bureaucratic squiggles invented hair stand on end, from the elementary recording of a child to a section or circle, to the requirements of the year the machine was made for SUT.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

As soon as 120 thousand metering devices were installed, housing and communal services expenses fell significantly. Why no smart economist, marketer or financier prompted us

Because economists and financiers like Kudrin and Gref are traitors, their goal is to make Russia weaker and not stronger in every way.

[ppgt90]

Kudrin has already managed the finances in the country. There was no sense as it was, and no, for which he was removed from office. Shoigu absolutely correctly remarked that one should think about increasing revenues, rather than cutting costs, especially for the army. It is high time that all this pro-Yeltsin camarilla be dispersed.

[seacap]

Our economic blog, which has long been not ours, thanks to a criminal and treacherous position, who betrayed and drunken his homeland of one "prominent figure" with his gang led by a redhead, who still successfully "eats" as if not into himself, he serves and defends the interests of a hostile overseas power, controlling the plunder of the country. A diligent Yale school graduate with her hubby, heading one of the local branches of the overseas structure of the Federal Reserve System, and the second of the HSE's “blue brothel”, heading and managing the country's economic bloc, are essentially a colonial administration. Appropriate policies are being carried out to destroy the economy, education and science, and most importantly, to destroy even the potential for revival or strengthening, destroying society, replacing historical moral and cultural values, growing several generations of "advanced" users without conscience and honor, without a homeland and creativity, through the laws and conditions of existence, destroying the remnants of Soviet society and veterans, rewriting and distorting history, cleaning up the territory and already finally solving the "Slavic question". What is most offensive, all this is done as the late Pole said, with the hands of the corrupt and degraded (no, of course) the so-called. elite and at our own expense. Something tells me, judging by the complete inaction and the absence of the slightest opposition to this on the part of the guarantor and specialists, looking at all this nepotism, cronyism and corruption, which destroyed more than one state, and most importantly, the complete impunity and irresponsibility of bureaucrats for their crimes and the results of the ones they accept decisions that this will not end with kindness and kindness, we will not get off with 3 tanks and 1 parliament. Only the absence of a sane leader or some motivated united party saves from a cataclysm, and our bureaucrats are stupid (which I doubt, they don’t keep fools there), but rather because of cynical self-confidence the people have already “prepared”, created all the conditions, there is little left to do, I really would not want to, the result is too unpredictable, and most importantly, not very optimistic.

[O. Bender]

Quote: pru-pavel

“The economy should be economical” (the full text was: “The economy should be economical - this is the requirement of the times”) - the thesis (which later became a political slogan), voiced at the XXVI Congress of the CPSU in a report by Leonid Brezhnev.
And for some reason, Brezhnev was not answered

To begin with, the economy should be, and then its aspects.

[earthling]

Kudrin worries about the United States, there is his homeland.

[karabass]

Yes, he speaks correctly! NATO countries have expenditures of less than 2%, and we have more than 7. Yes, and our generals are not all right with their heads! 3 years ago I flew to IL 76 from Tver: 2 crews, commanders - one has the surname Knyazev and the other - Sbrodov, as in a joke, but this is not the point. Some of them told me (I don’t remember who already) that the last flight was in Kyrgyzstan. They brought 15 tons of potatoes for our troops. We flew, unloaded, went for a walk, in the bazaar potatoes with our money: 1 ruble 45 kopecks per kilo. They have on the invoice - 19 rubles per kilo, and even transported by plane from Chkalovsk. So Kudrin is telling the truth

[Vadim237]

Actually 3%. Where did you get 8 trillion rubles a year is unclear.

[Dzafdet]

Kudrin is a CIA agent. He must be arrested and imprisoned. Together with Chubais, Koch, Gref ....

[earthling]

Fedorov, Pyakin and some others argue that the entire credit and financial system of Russia belongs to the United States. $ 200 billion is annually withdrawn from Russia to plug a hole in the Fed.

[Sergei 777]

Army spending can be increased. In any case, the salaries of contract workers need to be raised. But I would cut back the costs of ROSGUVARDIA.

[Dzafdet]

Quote: karabass

Yes, he speaks correctly! NATO countries have expenditures of less than 2%, and we have more than 7. Yes, and our generals are not all right with their heads! 3 years ago I flew to IL 76 from Tver: 2 crews, commanders - one has the surname Knyazev and the other - Sbrodov, as in a joke, but this is not the point. Some of them told me (I don’t remember who already) that the last flight was in Kyrgyzstan. They brought 15 tons of potatoes for our troops. We flew, unloaded, went for a walk, in the bazaar potatoes with our money: 1 ruble 45 kopecks per kilo. They have on the invoice - 19 rubles per kilo, and even transported by plane from Chkalovsk. So Kudrin is telling the truth

NATO countries do not have an army. They are protected by the United States. Budget remind?

[Tests]

Ken71 (Konstantin (Russia, St. Petersburg)), dear, just looked at the income statement for 2018 on the website of the Administration of Severodvinsk: 1 127 644, 28 rubles. is the salary of the director of the school where my wife works. On average per month it turns out: 93 970,36 rubles.

[martin-159]

Here you have the average earnings.

[AU Ivanov.]

For the director, this is not much.

[Horon]

So, in order to calculate expenses, you only need a calculator, but to raise real incomes you need a brain, but economists, as well as their conscience, are very bad with this!

[Sasha ___]

Some people invest in medicine, some in education, and Russia in the army. The US spends 6% of GDP on education. Let Shoigu tell you where to find 3% of GDP for education, since such a great economist

[Vadim237]

Now we look at the budget expenses for 2018 and find the expenses "

National Defense"

[depressant]

I studied the diagram carefully. Questions have arisen.
What is “social policy”, on which 4 trillion 402 billion rubles are spent?
What does “national economy” mean, requiring investments from the budget of 2 trillion 213 billion rubles? Enterprises under construction? And where are they? It would be nice to see a list.
What are “national issues” worth 1 trillion 236 billion rubles?
Servicing the national debt... 824 billion. Do we have a national debt?
Where did we get the budget surplus for 2018?

[bar]

Let the effective Kudrin and Oreshkin answer these questions, and not turn the arrows from a sore head to a healthy one

[Vadim237]

Social policy - construction of hospitals, kindergartens, schools, purchase of equipment for them, benefits, payments, housing construction, everything else in the same spirit. National economy - state subsidies for regional development, infrastructure construction, including enterprises, mechanical engineering, agriculture, chemical industry, development of banking, trade, etc. Enterprises under construction? And where are they? - Look on the Internet. Servicing the national debt... 824 billion. Do we have a national debt? - There are 54 billion dollars - one of the lowest in the world. “Where did we get the budget surplus for 2018?” - How come the price set for oil was 40 dollars - but in fact the cost of oil in 2018 reached 84 dollars - for every dollar above the declared cost in the budget - the country received 117 billion rubles per year, and the industry added from 4 to 6% per year.

[depressant]

$40 is the cut-off price. All “extra” goes to the National Welfare Fund and to replenish gold and foreign exchange reserves, and not as a budget surplus. So that there is no inflation. On the recommendation of the IMF.
And the surplus is formed from the fact that the funds that go to the regions under other budget items are often not utilized by incompetent regional leaders and at the end of the year are returned to the budget as dead money, which creates a surplus. In other words, local authorities are not developing the country, and those who are using funds often do it through their own pockets, that is, they steal.

[Vadim237]

Most of the locals are lazy - that’s why they don’t do anything, and they always blame the center for everything.

[Victor Orthodox]

I'll add. Moreover, the Central Bank, which is supposed to maintain the ruble exchange rate, does this on the advice of the IMF, which recommends lowering the exchange rate. After the fall in oil prices, only in Russia the ruble exchange rate collapsed so much; in no other country, not even in African countries, did this happen. The Russian government, by law, has no influence on the Central Bank. The Central Bank is an independent structure. Here you can see the elements of external control.

[Vadim237]

The exchange rate was reduced due to the fact that oil prices fell sharply and the entire economy sank by 11%. According to the budget, there is a plan and it must be fulfilled in any case - and this fall of the ruble played into the hands of our domestic producers and made life more difficult for imported goods in the domestic market - and end this nonsense “IMF, Fed asked, said, indicated and others” - the Central Bank lives on its own.

[bar]

Russian economists need to think not about big expenses, but about small incomes and how to make them big

Gold words. Our “economists” come from the word “economy”, and not at all from the word “economy”. And for some reason some clowns are in charge of our economy and development.

[bar]

Quote: Sasha ___

Let Shoigu tell you where to find 3% of GDP for education, since such a great economist

Everyone in their place should mind their own business. Oreshkin should deal with economics and development, and Shoigu does what he is entrusted with. And he does it well, others would do the same.

[Sasha ___]

Yes, that's all true. Shoigu spends the money earned by the country and when they tell him that there is not enough to eat, he says earn more. I remember the LADIES already advised me to go into business for money, but no one liked it. The army, in principle, is an organization for the disposal of people's money. Indeed, it’s not Shoigu’s business to earn money and deal with the economy. His job is to formulate goals and spend effectively, but he needs to take into account the country’s capabilities and respect the opportunities that are provided to him. I have never seen anyone in my life who would benefit from advice - if you don’t have enough money, earn more.

[bar]

Shoigu is a machine for converting people's money into rusty metal and stewed meat

Once again, Shoigu does what he is entrusted with and does it well. And it's not just about efficiently transferring money into rusty metal. In the meantime, it increases the export potential of our military-industrial complex. Let me remind you, without defending our oil and gas industry, military-industrial complex products are one of our main exports. If our thrifty economists had summed up the balance of Shoigu’s expenses and income, it is not known which would have outweighed. I'm not even talking about the political component, thanks to which our “partners” in the international arena finally stopped wiping their feet about us. So the effective Mr. Kudrin should sit quietly and not talk.

[Victor Orthodox]

Sasha, believe me, even if the army is removed altogether, the money saved will not reach you, in any case, under any government. But the war can easily come and you will be fighting with a rifle for three against tanks and planes. If you don’t have enough money, you should not wait for favors from gentlemen and earn it yourself. Capitalism is at hand, if people can be paid little, they will pay little, no matter how much money there is.

[Tavrik]

Yes, they are all “birds of a feather”. Liberal Democratic. Shoigu’s answer should be interpreted as follows: “This is my cow and I milk it!”

[fif21]

The story of one issue in 1999. Chief and foreman. Boss! Let's install a heat meter - we paid 60 thousand rubles a month, we'll get 30 (the boss mentally calculated the bonus for himself for saving money) Let's install it! Boss! Let’s install an autonomous gas boiler house (there is water, there is electricity, there is gas) and we will pay 6 thousand rubles a month for heat. The boss thought for a long time, and then said -
And who will feed Teploenergo!? This is how we live in cities and towns, surrounded by kilometers of rusty pipes. How about drilling a water well for a house, installing a gas water heating boiler, or solar panels? No! Scary! For so many people, the feeder will disappear or shrink, and someone will have to answer.

[Archon]

In addition to real economic and political decisions, it would not hurt to have a population of at least 300 million people, and not as it is now.

[Vadim237]

And so that 100 million of them would live in poverty.

[tolmachiev51]

-Why didn’t any smart economist, market specialist or financier tell us this earlier: there are no accounting devices in the army. The army, and therefore the state, was simply “ripped off like a stick” due to this - because behind this was a gang of thieves, the Chubais and the Kudrins. Nemtsovs, etc.

[Vdi73]

Give Kudrin free rein and he will disarm the army.

[Victor Orthodox]

The bad thing is that Kudrin yapped and yapped, and then bang and half the army was cut. Isn't he himself an enemy of the people?
He should be thoroughly vetted to work for foreign countries. I am 150% sure that when checking, a lot of interesting things will turn out. No Stalin.

[Diviz]

Kudrin reached into his pocket and realized that the army had more money. Envious curly.

[boriz]

The country spends too much not on the army, but on officials.

[Vadim237]

Well, after 2021 they will begin to be massively reduced by 15-20%.

[ZVS]

Quote: Cat Man Null

Cheers up ... or rather - weekly? And exactly - exactly the Moscow Region pays for them?

Just yesterday the last performance of “Swifts” took place at Krasnodar City Day. You can see the schedule of performances on the pages of the Moscow Aerobatic Teams. And do not forget that payment for performances is made to the flight personnel by the Ministry of Defense. And depreciation costs for equipment fall on the shoulders of the army.

Quote: Cat Man Null

The forest landscape "has" ... not everywhere. Where "does not have" - ​​buggy can come in handy too.

Go on the Internet and find out what a sixth-grader already knows at school, that the area of ​​forests in Russia makes up half of its territory, and where there are no forests, there are tundras, i.e. Arctic zone. But in the open Arctic zone, especially in winter, you can’t travel.

Quote: Cat Man Null

Apparently, because UAVs are needed now, but their own have not yet ripened ...

Designers, by the way, don't seem to be sitting without money, no?

Continue?

That’s why they didn’t keep up because they were reluctant to give money to their developers.
Continue?

[Cat man null]

Quote: SU

You can see the schedule of performances...

Don't want. You said weekly, please take the trouble to confirm.

Quote: SU

depreciation expenses

Mdja ...

Quote: SU

The forest area of ​​Russia makes up half of its territory, and where there is no forest, there is tundra, i.e. arctic zone

Oh how... that is - Russia consists of taiga and tundra
А tundra is an arctic zone
To advise

So, have you decided to fight bears in the taiga? Or in the tundra with deer? What I mean is that it usually turned out completely differently

Quote: SU

Continue?

Not worth it. I'm not interested in idle chatter

[ZVS]

Quote: Cat Man Null

Don't want. You said weekly, please take the trouble to confirm.
:

"Russian Knights" arrived in Sochi to perform at the Russian Grand Prix "Formula 1""
28 сентября. https://www.aex.ru/news/2019/9/25/202563/
I hope now you will agree that you are an irresponsible talker?

[Cat man null]

So. Let me remind you - we started with this:

Quote: SU

Why weekly air shows across the country by Air Force aerobatic teams paid for by the Department of Defense?

"Weekly" is what you want to prove.

Quote: SU

"Russian Knights" arrived in Sochi to perform at the Russian Grand Prix "Formula 1"

Amazing. And what? "Weekly" means 52 times a year. You wrote about one, where are the others? Oh yes -

Quote: SU

Just yesterday the last performance of “Swifts” took place at Krasnodar City Day

Another. Where are the other fifty?

Quote: SU

I hope now you will agree that you are an irresponsible talker?

I don't see the logic. I didn't claim anything, I asked -

Quote: Cat Man Null

But exactly - weekly?

You haven't confirmed this yet. Failure

[ZVS]

Why are you spinning around like you’re in a frying pan?))))
Read my previous posts and you won't look stupid.

[Cat man null]

Quote: SU

Why are you spinning around like you’re in a frying pan?

Keep spinning for now.

Quote: SU

Read my previous messages

Already. Where are the promised “weekly aerobatic team performances”? I don’t see it point blank

Quote: SU

and you won't look stupid

Well, everyone sees differently

[Sergej1972]

More precisely, forests make up approximately 40% of the territory of the Russian Federation. This number also includes the very sparse forests of the swampy part of Western Siberia and the forest-tundra.

[Sergej1972]

You read some of the comments and are amazed. How old are the commentators and what is their level of education? Some people propose to disperse the Duma and the Federation Council. But in both Soviet and Russian schools and universities, they were probably explained why there is a legislative, representative branch of government. Just because someone is not satisfied with the activities of the current chambers of the Federal Assembly, it does not at all follow that they should be abolished. And who will control the executive branch, the President (he is outside the branches of government, but stands above them)? Who will adopt the budget? Bloggers? Or should we hold referendums on every issue? People do not understand that the implementation of such proposals will lead to complete lack of control of the executive and even the judicial authorities. This is a direct path to open dictatorship or to the policy of Bonapartism. And only a not very smart person can believe in the possibility and ability of the entire population to directly control the executive power through referendums or online polls. Who will control the conduct of referendums? The same executive power.
And in terms of the size of the parliament. A grossly bloated parliament is unworkable. But too few deputies usually lead to even greater dependence on the executive branch. We need some kind of golden mean. I think that for a country of 146 million people, the figures of 450 deputies of the State Duma and 170 members of the Federation Council (the President can appoint several more senators, but he has never used this right) are quite optimal. The only thing was that it was possible to reduce the number of State Duma deputies to, say, 400 and elect all of them using a proportional system, and a significant, and maybe most of them, using an open list system. And the number of the Federation Council will be increased to 250 people and at least half of the senators will be elected by the population in one or two mandate districts according to the majority system of an absolute majority. And let some of the senators still be delegated by the legislative and executive powers of the regions, and a small number could still be sent by the State Duma and the President.

[Vadim237]

The counter-proposal to reduce the State Duma by 50% and dissolve the Federation Council altogether - there is no sense in them, they just incubate and warm up all sorts of Aroshuks in nests.

[ZVS]

First of all, you, a great expert on the legislative branch, should have known that the legislative branch does not represent the interests of the people of Russia. Both chambers, created according to party lists, represent only the interests of Russia's financial clans. Neither the State Duma nor the Federation Council has a single deputy from a working class background or a rural resident. And therefore we have uncontrolled executive power from the president to the last minister, we have anti-people legislative acts. So Medvedev, having promoted himself on TV, abolished all legislative acts of the Soviet period, and with them the professional holidays of tens of millions of people. It would be better if they canceled the Russian flag day, because... in our country there were many different flags that reflected one period or another. The Airborne Forces holiday remained, but the Russian Air Force holiday, which united the elite of the Armed Forces and all the country's aviators, was removed. And so wherever you spit, everywhere...oops, thoughtless. Forests are burning, and statesmen assure the people that this is normal, this is a natural phenomenon. The country is losing not only millions of hectares of ancient forest, but also the lungs of Russia. But since 10, both the president and the prime minister don’t care about this. And for their inaction in this matter, they are now going to oblige the population to pay in the form of environmental taxes. Neither in the USSR, nor now in Belarus have forests ever burned and are not burning as much as in Russia.
The country is being robbed, exporting everything that can be taken abroad, from finance to hydrocarbons. The country is burned every year. And we all listen to Solovyov and Kiselev about how bad it is in Ukraine and what fools Americans are. .

[Nikolay Fedorov]

Quote: from article

Commenting on Kudrin’s constant statements about too much spending on the Russian army, which, according to him, are unaffordable for Russia...

Drive Kudrin out of office, and there will be no need to be distracted by “Kudrin’s constant statements.”

[EDWARD]

“Russian economists need to think not about big expenses, but about small incomes and how to make them big.”
- how wonderfully he put Kudrin under siege!

[ASASHOKA]

Kudrin cannot raise his “plinth” rating in any way.
Apparently he is thinking of promoting him through his actions via Twitter. Acting Trump...

[Anatoly Lukyanov]

Kudrin, a pro-American, effective top manager, has been working for many years to restrain the development of Russia. In this light, the President’s attitude towards him is unclear.

[alex-sherbakov48]

And the liberals, which includes Alexei Kudrin, only dream of decapitating our army, taking all its money and then falling under the Americans. It was not possible in the “dashing 90s”, so they hope to do it now or someday.