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Mankurts and the victory over Hitler

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“Over the past five years, we have developed our own scenario, our ritual of celebrating Victory Day in World War II, close to the common European tradition. Unlike our neighbors, we do not suffer from color blindness and see the full color scheme of Her Majesty stories", - said Poroshenko.




Our "common" European happiness


Mr. Poroshenko (the outgoing president of Ukraine at that time) voiced quite interesting things (not invented by him) that it makes sense to discuss. In the end, no matter how we evaluate his personal and professional qualities, at that time he was primarily the president of Ukraine, that is, practically a professional politician (well, or should have been one) and his speech is an expression of a certain political position and a certain ideologies that exist regardless of Mr. Poroshenko himself.

And, as we all very well understand, this very policy and this same ideology are being developed far beyond the borders of Ukraine. So, regarding pan-European tradition. Everything turns out very funny here: the Third Reich was to some extent a kind of image, a "beta version" of the future European Union (this is with satellites and occupied territories). This, of course, if you carefully study history. Which is generally accessible and does not require special efforts for its comprehension.

Countries from Norway to Bulgaria and from Finland to Spain focused on Berlin and opposed the "Russian Bolsheviks." As it were, a united Europe already had a place to be, and this is not an empty phraseology at all. As is well known, Stalingrad alone cost Mr. Adolf Hitler much more than the capture of all of Europe. Europeans didn’t want to weapons in the hands of defending their freedom. They didn’t want at all.

And in general, even then (at the turn of the 30's and 40's), the unification of Europe (almost bloodless!) Took place. This is a kind of historical fact that few people like. Well, yes, different French and Serbian partisans tried to fight the Nazi hydra, but all this was not very convincing. The Reich could well have taken place (taking into account the rapid growth of the German army and industry), if not for the war with the USSR.

Yes, of course, even the Anglo-Saxons were actively fighting with Hitler (from a certain moment), as without them. That's just ... they could simply "not allow" to seize him Austria and Czechoslovakia, and indeed "give hands" even at the time of the occupation of the Rhine demilitarized zone. And all: there is no Third Reich. Recall: in the 30 years, the British Empire and the United States were great powers. USSR - it is not clear what. London and Washington had an order of magnitude more political and economic levers to influence the situation in Europe than Soviet Russia.

The USSR could make any (the most honest and courageous!) Statements; in Europe it was of little interest to anyone. For some reason, they sometimes try to transfer the political influence in Europe that the USSR received after the 1945 year to the 30 years, but, excuse me, this is simply absurd. In the 30 years of the USSR, the situation in Europe could have been very weakly affected. Unfortunately.

That is, if in the 30 years the USA, Britain and France (as winners in WWII) had a hell of a lot of opportunities to block and even destroy the Third Reich, then the USSR simply did not have such opportunities. Do not flatter yourself. Therefore, the “victory” of the USA and Britain over Hitler looks rather strange. Where have you been, gentlemen?

America is not Europe, which is logical. But the British consider themselves not quite “Europeans”. A classic of the genre, the famous headline of British newspapers: “Fog is over the British Channel, the continent is isolated” (for some reason, they quote “over the English Channel”, which is very strange). That is, for the British there is England, but there is a continent. And this is very clearly spelled out in British psychology. That is, Britain is Britain, Europe is Europe.

And so, the “pan-European tradition of celebrating Victory Day” sounds very strange. Almost all of continental Europe (the "fortress of Europe") fought "against Bolshevism and the Anglo-Saxon plutocracy." This is what I quote from German newspapers of that era. Well, it’s clear that both Russian Bolshevism and the English-speaking plutocracy were declared branches of the same “world Zionism”. Already interested? Of course, it is interesting, but we will not develop this burning topic here.

What is such a "pan-European Victory Day"? Who over whom? No, in the framework of propaganda, you can portray anything, but it will only work with "stubborn adherents." Any normal person will ask questions. Unpleasant questions.

The collapse of the USSR and the complete rewriting of history


But it turned out interesting after 1991: the unification of Europe began, and if at first France and Germany played the role of a kind of “duopoly”, then the French were clearly pushed into the background. Because - Germany, which unleashed two world wars, in which Adolf Hitler “steered the process”. Therefore, very many had to “urgently change shoes in the air” and invent something truly fantastic.

Mankurts and the victory over Hitler


By the way, a very characteristic example is how to make white from black and vice versa. After 1991, it was decided in Europe (and not only) that Russia is very bad, and Germany is good (albeit not like the United States). And the funniest and most interesting began. The rewriting of history began. I highly and highly recommend reading the Ukrainian and Belarusian press on this topic (it’s better to keep silent about the Polish and Baltic presses). On the topic of WWII and victory in it read.

You will be truly surprised. In the sense - the possibilities of propaganda. How to make a girl out of a boy, and meat out of fish ... And the political need because it arose. And people had to adapt the Victory Day to realities in which Russia is the enemy and Germany is the friend. And something simply indescribable began. Some initial facts are taken, such as: there was a big war (it really was!), The population of Belarus and Ukraine suffered (really so!), The good guys won ... but who the good guys is is a separate issue.

The Polish press often wrote that since the "troops" of England and the United States were not "nearby," the Soviets liberated the country. There you go. But Poland is understandable (although Stalin gave them one-third of the modern German territory). Much more surprise in Russia was caused by the hostile reaction of the Belarusian authorities to the St. George ribbon. That is, it was just in Russia that caused shock and misunderstanding. The reaction of the authorities of the Republic of Belarus to the "Immortal Regiment" caused even greater misunderstanding. Which went everywhere: from Britain to Australia. No special problems.

Although, as we all perfectly understand, both in Britain and in Australia there is quite a place to have both its own history and its own memory. From ours is completely excellent, if that. But both in the USA and in Mexico (!) These same regiments passed. No questions. But in Polesie, the fraternal Belarusians had questions. What you want is a rewriting of history. No, of course, in Kiev - there is a junta. But there seems to be no junta in Minsk, but the reaction to the Immortal Regiment and the St. George ribbon is much the same.

What the hell is incense, something like this can be described. And it’s “good” to be a Ukrainian politician - Russia is officially an “aggressor country” there. But Belarusian politicians have to portray some kind of “friendship”. And they have to literally jump out of their pants, explaining themselves on this issue. Why Belarus is all so “pro-Russian”, but a regiment and a ribbon are not needed there. Yes, because “a holy place never happens”, and just in today's Belarus, as in today's Ukraine, this very “holy place” is already densely occupied. Yes, exactly, it is densely occupied with “European values”. By the way, Belarusians are already beginning to slowly scare that Russia is not just an “aggressive empire”, but also the most “homophobic” country in Europe. Which, of course, does not match the mentality of tolerant European Belarusians. And yes, for youth this is an argument.

Agree, if the “cynical Bandera” looks strange, generally celebrating something there on May 8-9 (in the sense of someone defeating someone), then the “main and last ally” looks just wild, long and confused explaining why Belarus needs / does not need a “ribbon and regiment”. Take this event in Belarus with the massive use of this symbol, in Russia it would simply not be noticed. This is normal and natural. The trouble is that for Belarusians, a common understanding with the Russians of the Great Patriotic War with Russians is already not ok and not naturally.

Hitler's Euroschengen


The trouble is that in that very war, such "Schengen" countries as Germany and Italy, Croatia and Hungary, Finland and Romania, Spain and Bulgaria, fought against Soviet Russia in a single formation. If we take volunteers who "fought against Bolshevism", then the whole of the European Union is there, something like that. And somehow the story variant becomes very convenient when Stalin is just as “guilty” of the Second World War as Hitler, and indeed he almost started this very war himself.

But the Germans are generally good and democratic, and if it weren’t for Hitler ... But the allies did a “shortcut” to Hitler, and in general everything became good in Europe. But not in Russia. You see, whether we like it or not, but in the core of modern Russia there are not oligarchs, Putin, oil or Shoigu, Buddhism or Orthodoxy, Yandex services or Turkish “visa-free”. There is just 9 May.

Many do not like it. Because 9 of May is precisely that “basic element” on the basis of which the rest of the psychology and ideology of society is built. Victory in that war is just the “reference meter” from the “Chamber of Weights and Measures” and a zero reference point. In principle, even in Russia there were already scandals around the "victory" and "we can repeat it." That is, this very ideology and psychology of “winners in the Second World War” is not a trifle and not “on the side of the bow,” as some people think for some reason.

Because it is impossible (absolutely impossible!) To combine the psychology of winners and the logic of European integration into a single whole. This is incompatible by definition, that’s why Yeltsin didn’t particularly celebrate the 50 anniversary of the Victory (somehow without pathos), that’s why around this very historical date (75 years are coming soon! Three quarters of a century! It's like in the 1886-m stormy and with scandal discuss the Patriotic War of the 12 year ...) such passions boil.

After the Ukrainian "Maidan" (suddenly) the Victory and the St. George ribbon turned into some living symbols of modern Russia ("thanks" to the Neo-Bandera people). In the same way, Europe (the very Europe that followed Hitler east) unequivocally supported the junta and imposed sanctions against Russia. That is, "a choice has been made." All the talk that someone is dissatisfied with something there is a classic talk in favor of the poor. The “victorious Europeans” did not see any crime in the revival of Nazi ideology. Which, by and large, is not at all surprising given their history.

From their point of view, “the victory over Hitler Germany was ultimately won by democratic Germany”, and Russia was on the side of the heat, and even occupied Eastern Europe for half a century, at least “for the money” today is so “profitable”. And as for the Nazis in the Baltic states and Ukraine, so they (to paraphrase Goering’s phrase) “decide for themselves who the Nazi is and who is not the Nazi.”

Fault Line


That is, for example, Russia, of course, can fully return to the Council of Europe, but there will be little sense from this. We have too different understandings of WWII events in Europe. Well, and, as we know, in many European countries (along with Nazi), Soviet symbols are also prohibited. That is, people are smoothly led to the conclusion that these were “two totalitarian systems”. What kind of “interaction and mutual understanding” can be talked about here, it is very difficult to understand. If for us Stalin and the Banner of Victory are central political symbols, and for them it is “something criminal” (like the modern Russian “regime”), then talking about “mutual understanding” is quite difficult. We cannot have “two separate ideologies” - one “for ourselves”, the other “for export”, this does not happen, at least in Russia.



What “they” would like is just perfectly visible in the Baltic countries, Poland, Belarus and Ukraine (I think these countries can be put on a par). That is, a complete and dramatic rewriting of history, a full turn on 180 degrees in ideology and, as a result, some kind of action like: “Belarus remembers”. Remember, sorry that? Bonaparte, who taught the Poles to win? In Ukraine, Mr. Poroshenko congratulated the UPA veterans (banned in the Russian Federation) and the Red Army with one phrase. Also quite European. In Poland (where the Germans quite committed genocide during the occupation), they demolish the monuments to Soviet soldiers-liberators.

This is something similar our European friends would like to see in Russia. That, as it were, and not for Nazism, no ... in no way what you! Although the Nazis are marching to themselves in Estonia or Latvia ... But in general, there seems to be a victory (pan-European!) And “memory” (what, excuse me?) And “undisguised pain”, and “the first hour of the world”, and blah blah -bla ... Once again: it’s very interesting to look at what is happening in Minsk and Kiev (how history is rewritten there and how they “successfully connected” the Great Patriotic War, NATO and European values), and look at certain conflicts that have arisen in today's Russia around well-known media personalities and their categorical rejection of “victory”.

The fact is that (in different proportions, of course) and in Ukraine, Belarus, and even in Russia a generation of “mankurts” with a completely “refreshed” consciousness has grown up, ready to respond positively to the flag as rainbow and negatively - for the flag is red. And yes, the only working version of "European integration" today lies precisely through complete and unconditional "mankurtization". This price will have to be paid to all those who desire European values. There is no other way. Latynina will not let you lie.

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  1. Thrifty
    Thrifty 24 September 2019 05: 23
    +1
    So the choice was made by Europe a long time ago from the moment they realized that Russia is not Europe, it is stronger than Europe, primarily spiritually. Therefore, in the ranks of the Mongol Tatars there were also European mercenaries, therefore the Livonian Order equipped the army defeated on Lake Peipsi. We, Russia, are enemies for Europe always, and forever.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 24 September 2019 06: 10
      +25
      It’s strange to hear the pan-European traditions of celebrating the Victory .... Yes, you pan-European laid down under Hitler .. And our Victory Day is a day of shame and defeat for you. We beat you Germans and Czechs, French, Poles and Spaniards ... Not to mention about all Italians and Hungarians ... We defeated all of Europe in that war .. What are you celebrating? What victory is this for you?
      1. Sergey1987
        Sergey1987 24 September 2019 10: 46
        -10
        Quote: 210ox
        And our Victory Day is a day of shame and defeat for you. We beat you Germans and Czechs, French, Poles and Spaniards

        I completely agree with you, only the Czechs on the side of Hitler did not fight.
        1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
          Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 24 September 2019 12: 29
          +9
          Alas, a colleague, the Czechs fought.
          1. Sergey1987
            Sergey1987 24 September 2019 14: 25
            -1
            Quote: Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
            Alas, a colleague, the Czechs fought.

            At first I hear about it, although I read a lot about the Second World War, maybe I already forgot. The Czech armed forces fought or did they serve in the ranks of the Wehrmacht?
            1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
              Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 24 September 2019 14: 48
              +4
              Of course, in the Wehrmacht! And quite a bit in the British army. A little more in the Red Army. But with the Wehrmacht, everything is not comparable - there is an order of magnitude more.
              1. vladimirZ
                vladimirZ 24 September 2019 18: 19
                +8
                Much more surprise in Russia was caused by the hostile reaction of the Belarusian authorities to the St. George ribbon. That is, it was just in Russia that caused shock and misunderstanding. - from article

                Why misunderstanding? It's very simple - "St. George's Ribbon", with all due respect to it, has nothing to do with the Great Patriotic War of the Soviet people with fascist Europe, led by Nazi Germany.
                And yet, in Russia, too, they are redoing the history of that war, contrary to objectivity and common sense. Examples? Yes, any number.
                Cover with shields and rags. Mausoleum of V.I. Lenin at the foot of which the victorious warriors threw fascist banners and past which passed the historical parades of the 1941 and 1945 years.
                The historical military Red Banners were replaced with colorful royal ones, as well as the military decorations of that Great War with current crosses.
                They deleted the Supreme Commander-in-Chief I.V. Stalin, replacing him with "Victory Marshal" Zhukov.
                Not a word is now mentioned, at any level, the organizational role of the Communist Party of the CPSU (b), the Communists at the front and in the rear.
                The stronghold of Stalingrad disappeared from the map of the country, about which the Nazis broke their teeth and from which the war began to reverse.
                Now there is no heroic Leningrad 900 days who fought in the environment and survived despite hunger and cold.
                There is also no country for which the state, for which and in the name of which the Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Kazakhs and other people of our once Great Power fought together, as there is no way, the Great Power.
                Etc.
                And in general, we no longer have a great idea, a goal uniting the people for the same, if necessary, feat. Well, not for yachts and palaces of Abramovich and Deripasok, but to give life and shed blood.
                1. Tochilka
                  Tochilka 24 September 2019 19: 35
                  +7
                  add a little. in Evening Moscow there was an article about the Kremlin regiment. In the opinion of the jerk-author - "the soldiers of the regiment burned captured German banners in Red Square." This is our education ...
        2. BAI
          BAI 26 September 2019 20: 10
          +6
          70 000 Czechs were in Soviet captivity. They walked in the USSR in German uniforms and with weapons, and they were tied for no reason.
        3. 1536
          1536 27 September 2019 14: 00
          +1
          "Sergey1987 (Sergey) 24 September 2019 10:46
          I completely agree with you, only the Czechs did not fight on Hitler's side. "


          Well, yes, they nervously smoked on the sidelines ...
          Czechoslovakia was destroyed as a state in 1938-1938 as a result of the signing by Britain and France of an agreement with Nazi Germany ("Munich Agreement") on the division of Europe, no doubt. But the industry of the Czech Republic and Slovakia worked 100 percent to provide the Wehrmacht with everything necessary until 1945. If this is not a "war" on the side of the Reich Chancellor (1933-1945) of Germany - III Reich, then what do you think, dear?
          1. Sergey1987
            Sergey1987 28 September 2019 12: 31
            0
            Quote: 1536
            Czechoslovakia was destroyed as a state in 1938-1938 as a result of the signing by Britain and France of an agreement with Nazi Germany ("Munich Agreement") on the division of Europe, no doubt. But the industry of the Czech Republic and Slovakia worked 100 percent to provide the Wehrmacht with everything necessary until 1945. If this is not a "war" on the side of the Reich Chancellor (1933-1945) of Germany - III Reich, then what do you think, dear?

            All this is known, but I meant specifically people. Industry is one thing, but people are still different. As far as I know, the Slovaks served in the Wehrmacht, but the miners fought for the Czechs for the Germans.
            Government troops - the so-called - 12 battalions of 4 companies. 8000 people. In May 1944, 5000 were transferred to Northern Italy to fight the partisans. Of these, 10 was killed, 15 wounded, 800 ran to the partisans.
            Gendarmerie - 17.000 people.
            In June 1941, Emil Hacha, president of the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia, proposed the formation of the Czech Volunteer Legion. Apparently, out of old habit, they decided to rob the Transsib. The Germans refused. then several hundred Czechs from the Nazi organization "Vlaika" voluntarily left to serve in the Wehrmacht.
            It is also known that about 30.000 Czech teenagers served as assistants to the Luftwaffe - exact data are unknown.
            Volunteer company of St. Wenceslas - 100 people. The fate of the company is unknown.
            Also, up to 900 volunteers fought in the SS "Luttsov" volunteer cavalry division.
            An unknown number of Czech volunteers served in the SS Brixen police regiment.
            1. Reserve buildbat
              Reserve buildbat 28 September 2019 13: 41
              +2
              It’s not thick))) And in the USSR 69 997 Czechs and Slovaks were taken prisoner ... Apparently, the peasant escaped to record in prisoners of war. For the sake of lace panties laughing
              1. Sergey1987
                Sergey1987 28 September 2019 15: 03
                -3
                Quote: Stroibat stock
                It’s not thick))) And in the USSR 69 997 Czechs and Slovaks were taken prisoner ... Apparently, the peasant escaped to record in prisoners of war. For the sake of lace panties

                How many of 69997 were Czechs?
                1. Reserve buildbat
                  Reserve buildbat 28 September 2019 15: 48
                  +1
                  And no one suffered from moronism, did not share. Czechs and Slovaks. Such was the country - Czechoslovakia. And there was also the country of Yugoslavia. Then no one was engaged in "tolerance" (read - idiocy). People were considered people, and not a "resource", "electorate" and other feces
                  1. Sergey1987
                    Sergey1987 3 October 2019 13: 03
                    0
                    Quote: Stroibat stock
                    But nobody suffered from moronism, did not share. Czechs and Slovaks.

                    They just need to be separated. Slovaks fought much more on the side of Germany than the Czechs.
                    Quote: Stroibat stock
                    And there was also the country of Yugoslavia. Then no one was engaged in "tolerance"

                    What is tolerance here?
                    Quote: Stroibat stock
                    People were considered people, and not a "resource", "electorate" and other feces

                    I will surprise you, but not for the first thousand years people have thought and still consider it a resource.
      2. Greg Miller
        Greg Miller 24 September 2019 12: 34
        0
        Quote: 210ox
        Once again: it is very curious to look at what is happening in Minsk and Kiev (how history is rewritten there and how the Great Patriotic War was “successfully connected” there

        Dmitry welcome! hi That's why they do not celebrate May 9, but September 1 - the day the war began ...
        1. VeteranVSSSR
          VeteranVSSSR 24 September 2019 21: 46
          -2
          So how do we celebrate 1 September in Minsk?
    2. Basil50
      Basil50 24 September 2019 07: 07
      +1
      lean
      You missed the main ally of all attacks on the RUSSIA-RUSSIAN EMPIRE-SOVIET UNION-RUSSIA, this is the Christian church in all its manifestations. And it began with the Byzantine Empire where Christianity was born as the religion of the state, from Catholic and Orthodox Greek Catholic to all kinds of Mormon Baptists there.
      Today's RePaTse merged in the ecstasy of love and brotherhood with the very foreign Greek Catholic Orthodox who honestly and wholeheartedly served the Nazis.
      It is very unfortunate that in RUSSIA, however, as in the rest of the world, there are no works on the real history of Christianity. The fact that we are being brought in about religion is more than a fantastic fantasy.
      But there are those who find God in these writings, sincerely not noticing any outright lies or fraud.
      .................................. .................................. .................................. .................................. ....................
      1. Sergey1987
        Sergey1987 24 September 2019 10: 48
        +3
        Quote: Vasily50
        Today's RePaTse merged in the ecstasy of love and brotherhood with that same foreign Greek Catholic

        With Greek Catholic? Why do you think so? You are confused with the Catholic.
    3. Civil
      Civil 24 September 2019 07: 42
      0
      Again, the politicians took the 75 war of summer ago from the closet, leave the ancestors alone, do not disturb their victory with their sweaty paws, there are facts on 24.09.2019:
      1. Hitler did not assemble the Wehrmacht near the borders of the USSR.
      2. Ukraine, Belarus, the Baltic states are not part of the USSR.
      3. There is no USSR, no communists in power.
      4. There is no Hitler in Europe, no Nazis in power. There is no fascist power in Italy.
      5. There is no UK as an empire.
      6. There is no ideological front, capitalists are in power everywhere.

      And all attempts to pull the owl "now Hitler will attack" are already ridiculous and disgusting.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 24 September 2019 08: 05
        +9
        Vadim, to whom did you write this? About the Wehrmacht, Hitler and the USSR? The generation of the Unified State Examination is sure of that .. True, I instilled other values ​​into my children.
      2. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth 24 September 2019 08: 34
        +12
        I am not a politician. And my 90-year-old mother goes to the Infinite Regiment, each time a dilemma, whom to take with her, four dead, three disabled ....
        Facts on 24.09.2019.
        1. NATO at the borders of Russia;
        2. Ukraine, Belarus, the Baltic states. The general story has not gone anywhere. Relatives of many, too;
        3. No USSR. Great loss for the peoples of Russia;
        4. Obviously not. But who brought the Nazis to power in Ukraine? There is no analogy with Munich?
        5. There is a USA;
        6. "For money, he will sell his mother."
        1. Civil
          Civil 24 September 2019 12: 16
          -6
          The immortal regiment began as a non-political rally. I don’t know now, then portraits in the garbage are especially outraged.
          1. NATO at the borders of Russia;

          So what? Nuclear weapons will prevent any 22 of June.
          2. Ukraine, Belarus, the Baltic states. The general story has not gone anywhere. Relatives of many, too;

          Ukraine and the Baltic states can only be returned by aggression against them, at the moment.
          3. No USSR. Great loss for the peoples of Russia;

          Ready to start an offensive war to collect territories?
          4. Obviously not. But who brought the Nazis to power in Ukraine? There is no analogy with Munich?

          And what was the international conference where Yanukovych / Poroshenko came and gave him the Sudeten region (Kuban, Vitebsk) for reconciliation, and he occupied the rest of the Czech Republic with Slovakia (Belarus, the Caucasus)? Or are you alluding to Russia?
          5. There is a USA;

          Did the Americans build concentration camps and execute prisoners of war Soviet soldiers, Jews, gypsies, communists?

          It may cost a little bit to return to reality, in 2019 year.
          1. Was mammoth
            Was mammoth 24 September 2019 19: 39
            -1
            Quote: Civil
            The immortal regiment began as a non-political action ....

            Any socially significant event will be used by politicians. This must be understood. And, the Immortal Regiment is an Event and does not lose its significance from Wishlist. It is trying to use our power, Memory, as a national idea, independent and independent, from pulling apart the common Victory of the Soviet people in the Natsugles to denying it. By the way, ours are also not far behind, I heard that Russian troops took Berlin in 1945. Significant attitude to St. George or the Guards tape.
            Nuclear weapons, of course, are the trump card, but they are not the only condition for independence, they did not help preserve the Soviet Union. But, there was no Soviet atomic bomb yet, but there was already a plan "Dropshot". In 1946.
            Quote: Civil
            Ready to start an offensive war to collect territories?

            "You can't be lovely." Whoever ripens will come himself.
            And, here, why the Nazis came to power in Ukraine, this question can be addressed to our government.
            Quote: Civil
            Did the Americans build concentration camps and execute prisoners of war Soviet soldiers, Jews, gypsies, communists?

            No, they are honest and noble. Well, at least take a look at today's news.
            Quote: Civil
            It may cost a little bit to return to reality, in 2019 year.

            Come back.
      3. Greg Miller
        Greg Miller 24 September 2019 12: 42
        +2
        Quote: Civil
        Again, the politicians took the 75 war of summer ago from the closet, leave the ancestors alone, do not disturb their victory with their sweaty paws, there are facts on 24.09.2019:
        1. Hitler did not assemble the Wehrmacht near the borders of the USSR.
        2. Ukraine, Belarus, the Baltic states are not part of the USSR.
        3. There is no USSR, no communists in power.
        4. There is no Hitler in Europe, no Nazis in power. There is no fascist power in Italy.
        5. There is no UK as an empire.
        6. There is no ideological front, capitalists are in power everywhere.

        And all attempts to pull the owl "now Hitler will attack" are already ridiculous and disgusting.

        I do not agree with you and that is why. Victory in the Great Patriotic War is that serge on which the statehood of Russia itself and its unifying role among the countries of the former USSR rest. If Capitalism succeeds in destroying this core, then there will be no stone unturned from the entire post-Soviet space, including Russia itself. We 75 years can no longer forgive this Victory! In World War I, by the way, exclusively capitalist countries fought ...
    4. Kronos
      Kronos 24 September 2019 11: 34
      +2
      This is what nonsense mixed spirituality, the Mongols and mercenaries.
    5. iouris
      iouris 24 September 2019 12: 37
      -2
      Quote: Thrifty
      she is stronger than europe in the first place spiritually

      How is this expressed? Russia is a national idea that has not been realized (or has not yet been realized). "We" are for "them" the space into which "they" expand. "Spiritually" they have long penetrated "us" and are already digesting. A complete generational change will take place soon.
  2. samarin1969
    samarin1969 24 September 2019 05: 37
    +16
    The author is trying to draw a watershed with Europe on the perception of the Victory. In the souls of the descendants of 27 million he is. But in the policy of the Russian leadership, only officialdom remained. A tolerant attitude towards murders in Ukraine is quite a "Munich-38" from the Russian Federation. There, even before Donbass, they were killed in broad daylight for possible sympathy for Russia (the destruction of the office of the Party of Regions, anti-Maidan buses, ...).

    ps Do not equal Serbs and French. Tito really pulled over the Wehrmacht divisions. It was the only warring ally in Europe.
    1. polar fox
      polar fox 24 September 2019 06: 01
      +7
      Quote: samarin1969
      Tito really pulled over the Wehrmacht divisions. It was the only warring ally in Europe.

      The Albanians weren’t sour, so they put a light on for the Germans ... and the rest, yes, all “Frenchmen”.
      1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
        Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 24 September 2019 12: 35
        +3
        Balkan partisans (Yugoslavia, Greece, Bulgaria), regardless of our orientation or pro-London, pulled back the forces of the Germans. It is a fact. Real fact. That is why, even during the war years, London and I began to "fight" for Tito, but they pulled him over to their side in the end. I didn’t understand before, but thanks to this site I now understand what, how and why.
  3. Gardamir
    Gardamir 24 September 2019 07: 04
    +18
    Let's go in order. The swastika is an ancient symbol, but is forbidden after the use by the Nazis. Bloody Nicholas made the tricolor state flag. But after the Russland division marched under the tricolor, why is it not forbidden for some reason? Moreover, under the tricolor take Parades. A symbol of Victory Mausoleum is hidden. How is that? The Stalingrad Tractor was successfully destroyed by no means Hitler. Hitler dreamed of destroying schools and setting up churches, his plan being fulfilled. The country is intensively growing kolizurengoy.
    So who forgot?
    1. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 24 September 2019 07: 47
      +5
      Quote: Gardamir
      A symbol of Victory Mausoleum is hidden.

      you forgot the generalissimo Stalin I.V.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 24 September 2019 07: 57
        +13
        Generalissimo Stalin I.V.
        At the current Kremlin at the mention of his name, there is more tantrum than modern Germans.
    2. Avior
      Avior 24 September 2019 08: 42
      +13
      Of course, the author has a lot of pathos, but didn’t he try to look around?
      Is this the exact country for which our grandfathers fought?
      It would be nice if our grandfathers put a flag against the wall without talking, not the Vlasov people came up with it.
      But all the rest, they fought for it? For removing from the Constitution that the country's wealth belongs to the people?
      For billionaires from oil and gas?
      That the country was ruled by the owners of factories, newspapers, ships?
      Why the author, along with exposing Europe of reluctance to fight, did not ask a simple question, is it the state in Russia now that they were dying for at the front?
      They certainly didn’t fight for the Vlasov Prague manifesto, embodied in reality.
      .... Liquidation of collective farms, free transfer of land to the private property of peasants. Freedom of forms of labor land use. Free use of the products of their own labor, the abolition of forced deliveries and the destruction of debt obligations to the Soviet government.
      Establishment of inviolable private labor property. Restoring trade, crafts, handicrafts and providing private initiative with the right and opportunity to participate in the economic life of the country. ...

      Provided ....
      But the fact that the author of Poroshenko and Bandera remembered in detail, and war veterans from Ukraine, only in passing, is not very good with respect to veterans.
      hi
    3. Sergey1987
      Sergey1987 24 September 2019 11: 00
      -6
      Quote: Gardamir
      A symbol of Victory Mausoleum is hidden.

      This is when the mausoleum became a symbol of victory?
      Quote: Gardamir
      The Stalingrad Tractor was successfully destroyed by no means Hitler.

      Just destroyed by it. Now what is it destroyed?
      1. VeteranVSSSR
        VeteranVSSSR 24 September 2019 22: 16
        0
        Something tells me something from November 7 to 1941 ...
        1. Sergey1987
          Sergey1987 25 September 2019 13: 27
          -1
          Quote: VeteranVSSSR
          Something tells me something from November 7 to 1941 ...

          And for what interesting reason? Because Stalin gave a speech during the parade? With this situation, the Kremlin is a symbol of victory.
          1. VeteranVSSSR
            VeteranVSSSR 25 September 2019 21: 07
            +1
            You are young and apparently stupid. Moscow is the capital of my country, and the Kremlin and the mausoleum are symbols.
            And if you, to this day, have poached these symbols (space, art, literature, sports, etc., etc.), then God will judge you.
            This is what I mean, and my friend, in my army youth, a photo against the backdrop of the military Banner of the unit meant a lot ....
            Although a little bit of material, red .... and FSE.
            1. Sergey1987
              Sergey1987 27 September 2019 10: 00
              0
              Quote: VeteranVSSSR
              You are young and apparently stupid. Moscow is the capital of my country, and the Kremlin and the mausoleum are symbols.

              And you probably don’t understand the old one. These are symbols of Moscow and Russia, not victory. Symbols of victory - this is a red banner for example.
              Quote: VeteranVSSSR
              And if you, to this day, have poached these symbols (space, art, literature, sports, etc., etc.), then God will judge you.

              Grandfather may not need you to sit on the sites and talk to people, otherwise write nonsense. Is your cosmos a symbol of Russia? Are you out of your mind? And who is his pooh ...? Did he disappear? About your nonsense about art, literature and sports, there’s nothing to answer. Everything is bad with you. Sonsa is not as bright as during the Soviet Union, the sky is not so blue, the wind is not blowing.
              Quote: VeteranVSSSR
              This is what I mean, and my friend, in my army youth, a photo against the backdrop of the military Banner of the unit meant a lot ....
              Although a little bit of material, red .... and FSE.

              Yes, you are just great. People like you handsome love ostentatious things. Take a picture by the flag, kiss it, and now proudly remember this and nostalgic about the USSR. Only just like you and ruined this great country, and now you are whining everything is wrong for you all wrong. So God will judge you. I'm certainly not to blame for this.
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    4. Constructor68
      Constructor68 24 September 2019 19: 16
      -2
      Gardamir
      Today, 07: 04
      Let's go in order. But after the Russland division marched under the tricolor, why isn’t it forbidden for some reason?

      Before waking people awake from the fence, it would be better to monitor the topic. Many parts of the Waffen-SS performed with national flags. And everywhere, national symbols have been preserved. The Russian collaborators and the awards were in the form of the cross of St. George - also offer to reject?
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 24 September 2019 19: 43
        -2
        also offer to reject?
        That is, to prohibit the Nazi swastika? A Nazi George Crosses allow?
        1. Constructor68
          Constructor68 24 September 2019 19: 58
          -2
          That is, to prohibit the Nazi swastika?

          Well, if it is so dear to your heart, then contact the Hague with a request to allow this attribute and thereby destroy the last prohibition of bloody Bolshevism
          And then you see, the tricolor to him because of Rusland became shameful, and the swastika - well, because it is only a symbol of the cycle, it's okay
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 24 September 2019 20: 09
            -1
            well if
            Do not twist. The swastika is forbidden, so be it. It is necessary to ban the Nazi Georgians, as well as the flag of the Russland division ..
            1. Constructor68
              Constructor68 24 September 2019 20: 22
              -1
              It is necessary to ban the Nazi Georgians, as well as the flag of the Russland division ..

              Many of my colleagues who fought under these flags in Chechnya and received orders of courage in the form of the St George Cross would fill your face for these words.
              1. Gardamir
                Gardamir 24 September 2019 20: 28
                +1
                would you fill your face
                That’s the civil war. Of course ours with the Red Stars are less. And age is already somehow ...
                1. Constructor68
                  Constructor68 24 September 2019 20: 30
                  -3
                  That’s the civil war. Of course ours with the Red Stars are less. And age is already somehow ...

                  Sorry, but your horse is in a ravine .... Don’t stick to red stars, a swastika fan.
                  1. Gardamir
                    Gardamir 24 September 2019 20: 31
                    +1
                    lover of swastikas.
                    Clearly, you are one of those who see, only what he wants. go zigzag further.
                    1. Constructor68
                      Constructor68 24 September 2019 20: 49
                      0
                      Mdaaa, the man writing:
                      Swastika ancient symbol

                      That is, to prohibit the Nazi swastika?

                      Stalingrad Tractor was successfully destroyed by no means Hitler

                      offers me also zigovat .... sorry, but I did not join your ranks and not going to join
                  2. VeteranVSSSR
                    VeteranVSSSR 24 September 2019 21: 59
                    +1
                    Well, Constructor, you're wrong. Oh, how wrong.
                    1. Constructor68
                      Constructor68 24 September 2019 22: 04
                      -1
                      What is wrong? That I respect the flag of my country and its awards for military services? And I would have to sing with this marginal Kumbai?
  4. parusnik
    parusnik 24 September 2019 07: 07
    +3
    And somehow the story variant becomes very convenient when Stalin is just as “guilty” of the Second World War as Hitler, and indeed he almost started this very war himself.
    ..... A very convenient option, for the integration of modern Europe and Russia, such as a compromise, only the people have not finally matured for this ... But they are slowly preparing ... for how many years Lenin’s mausoleum has been draped at the 9 of May, as if to him the banners and standards of the defeated Nazi divisions flew, it all starts with little things ...
    1. ak747
      ak747 24 September 2019 07: 41
      +11
      Not so simple. After “repent”, “pay” will surely follow. Modern Germans pay compensation to modern Jews - although neither the Jews who were in Auschwitz nor the Germans who kept them there are dead.
      So it is not just that they want to designate Russia guilty - but in order to hang the "victims of the Stalinist occupation" - Poles, Balts, Ukrainians and other Eastern European riffraff on our necks. In addition to "repenting", it will be necessary to pay, and how to pay - Europe has long been known: there is Gazprom, Rosneft, etc. Does the Russian leadership need it, give its money?
  5. Avior
    Avior 24 September 2019 07: 56
    +12
    the headline of British newspapers: “Fog is over the British Channel, the continent is isolated” (for some reason, they quote “over the English Channel”, which is very strange).

    What is strange is what the author wrote.
    In Russian, the name came from French, so the English Channel.

    In English, it is also called the English Channel.

    And the British Channel, for information to the author, is a strait in the northeast of the Barents Sea in the Franz Josef Land archipelago, Arkhangelsk Region, Russia
    hi
  6. Vitaly Tsymbal
    Vitaly Tsymbal 24 September 2019 08: 06
    +11
    Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I, and this is my personal opinion, do not agree with the author's understanding of the reasons for the attitude to the Victory in the Second World War. The trouble with this attitude is in ourselves. We in Russia celebrate the Victory in the GREAT PATRIOTIC WAR, and the world has a historical date for the end of the Second World War. This is our personal holiday, a holiday with tears in our eyes. For the Germans, this is Hitler's curse, for the French, Belgians, and Dutchmen it is a shame of betrayal, for the Norwegians it is an example of weakness, for the Bulgarians, as always, a little embarrassing, for the Hungarians and Romanians a mistake in choosing an ally, the Finns are an unsuccessful attempt to return territories, for the Poles oppressed Greater Poland greatness, for the Great Britons - a confirmation of the former greatness, for the Americans - a successful business project ... you can write the same about other countries. Only for us - the countries of the former USSR (without the Balts, Western Ukrainians, without the departed peoples) - this is VICTORY !!! But our main mistake is that our government could not find another national idea for "rallying the masses", except for the creation of an "ideological brand - Victory in the Great Patriotic War" which, for some reason, began to try to "spread" to Europe, which does not even have anything World War is different from the Patriotic War. And with the "St. George ribbon" - it is also not clear why one of the symbols of the Great Patriotic War was precisely the "St. George ribbon" and not the "Ribbon of the Soviet Guard" - it was this ribbon that marked the highest military valor during the Second World War, and not St. George's. And now many of those who in the post-war period served in the guards units are proud that they are SOVIET GUARDS and wear the Soviet guards badge on holidays. We must finally understand that VICTORY DAY is our internal public holiday - a holiday with tears in our eyes. And not to impose our Victory in the Patriotic War on those who fought with us ... And the USSR had allies only in the world war, and not in the PATRIOTIC,
    1. Victorio
      Victorio 24 September 2019 09: 24
      +1
      Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal

      And do not impose our Victory in World War II to those who fought with us ...
      And the USSR’s allies were only in the World War, and not in the DOMESTIC,

      ===
      it’s probably not worth it to impose, but what then should be done against the background of a massive and systematic distortion and suppression by the West of the history of events of that period? and for Yugoslavia, was this war China not domestic !?
      1. Vitaly Tsymbal
        Vitaly Tsymbal 24 September 2019 09: 52
        +4
        For Victorio (Victor) 1. What to do about rewriting history? Each country and each ruling regime rewrites history for itself, and nothing can be done about it. I am one of the founders of the "Immortal Regiment", and so, when representatives from all over Russia gathered in Vyazma, the majority of those who accepted in the discussion said that the "Immortal Regiment" should first of all have a FAMILY (FAMILY) MEMORY PRESERVATION AT THE FAMILIES, and not be a "brand of state ideology". Family history can be forgotten, but rewriting, as politicians do, is not possible.
        2. For Yugoslavia, the war was not Patriotic, because there whole ethnic groups in those who go to the Kingdom of Yugoslavia supported Nazism (Croats). You can not consider the Patriotic War and the war in China - there was at the same time a national liberation and civil one, and China, as well as a single state, did not exist as it was now in those years.
        You should pay attention to the fact that the concept of Fatherland is understood as a war to protect the territory in which your ancestors lived - the territory or land of the fathers. It is PROTECT, not liberation ...
        1. Victorio
          Victorio 24 September 2019 10: 43
          +1
          Vitaly Tsymbal.
          You should pay attention to the fact that the concept of Fatherland is understood as a war to protect the territory in which your ancestors lived - the territory or land of the fathers. It is PROTECT, not liberation.

          ===
          I do not agree with you, in this case, the domestic one ended before 45, before crossing the state border.

          For Yugoslavia, the war was not Patriotic, because there whole ethnic groups in those who go to the Kingdom of Yugoslavia supported Nazism (Croats). You can not consider the Patriotic War and the war in China - there was at the same time a national liberation and civil one, and China, as well as a single state, did not exist as it was now in those years.
          ===
          signs / concept of domestic there and there, some features and differences you indicated. and Koreans also call the last war domestic, but from the Vietnamese I also heard this
        2. iouris
          iouris 24 September 2019 12: 47
          +4
          Did I understand you correctly that at the moment of crossing the state border, the USSR stopped waging the Patriotic War and took part in the World War? Do you think that it was possible to "defend the territory" without reaching the Elbe, but "to defend the territory" is necessary in order to subsequently divide it between "ours" and sell it to anyone else?
          But my grandfathers, who died in that war, did not have "their own land" and I do not. By the way, one of the grandfathers died in the Sumy region on the territory of Ukraine. So he already died in the world war? Judge.
          1. Vitaly Tsymbal
            Vitaly Tsymbal 24 September 2019 14: 32
            0
            For iouris (iouris) You misunderstood me a little, although it can be considered that the Patriotic War ends from the moment of crossing the border - and the last part of the territory of the SOVIET UNION within the borders on June 22 of 1941 of the year was officially freed from the Nazis in the 1944 year, although fighting with the remains of the Nazis (this not only Germans, but also Bandera, and forest brothers, etc.) continued after May 9 1945. Today, history books do not say what they wrote in Soviet times, but wrote: after the liberation of the Soviet territories occupied by the fascists, the USSR army began a campaign to liberate the peoples of Europe and Asia (the world war ended in the defeat of Japan in September 1945). In the 2 World War, we began to take part not in June 1941, but in the first days of September 1939, when Hitler attacked Poland, and the USSR introduced (not to be confused with the word attacked) its troops in the western territories of Ukraine and Belarus. During World War II, our troops were not only in the territory of the USSR, but also in Iran, Mongolia, and China. Therefore, it is not necessary to combine the Patriotic War with the liberation campaign in the 2th MV. And at the expense of the grandfathers did not have their own land - do not confuse their own land, and the right to own land ownership !!!!
            My grandfather Tsymbal Pavel Timofeevich, called up from the Novosibirsk region, also died (officially disappeared) while freeing Ukraine. By the way, my grandfather recorded why he was a native of the Chernigov province, although we know for sure that he was born in Siberia, because my ancestors (not registered Cossacks) moved to Siberia from the Chernihiv province of the Russian Empire at the end of the 19 century.
            1. Moore
              Moore 25 September 2019 07: 07
              +1
              Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
              In the 2 World War we began to take part not in June 1941, but in the first days of September 1939,

              Do not tell me whether it is possible to take part in a war without declaring war on anyone?
              1. Vitaly Tsymbal
                Vitaly Tsymbal 25 September 2019 07: 37
                0
                For Moore (Andrey) Can. Now the term suitable for such a situation has appeared - HYBRID WAR. In addition, the concept of world war includes not only the conduct of hostilities, but also intelligence war, economic war, ideological war, etc. Remember another participant of the 2-th MV - Japan. Remember the confrontation between the USSR and Japan (this is also participation in the world war).
                1. Moore
                  Moore 25 September 2019 11: 34
                  +1
                  Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
                  Can.

                  Do not confuse the concept of "war" with "armed conflict" and other uses of armed forces and formations.
                  Distinctive features of these concepts are clearly spelled out - in decent states in the same military doctrines. Hybrid, cold, intelligence war - this is for fiction and politicians.
                  1. Vitaly Tsymbal
                    Vitaly Tsymbal 25 September 2019 17: 40
                    0
                    For Moore (Andrey). As far as I know (of those military doctrines that are available to the "people"), in none of them have I met the word war. There are the terms political and military, and the word war is a generalized concept of historians who understand by this a prolonged military clash or confrontation between the warring parties. We are now discussing a historical topic, not a military-political one. I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I'm just expressing my understanding the author’s assessment of the significance for the world of victory in war, which we, in Russia, celebrate on May 9 as a Victory in the Great Patriotic War. And I draw your attention to the fact that modern journalists confuse the concept of the 2nd MV and WWII. You can accept my understanding or not accept - my opinion is unlikely to change as a result of communication in this format. By the way, the concept of "hybrid" has already been reflected in the military doctrines of some countries, although maybe these countries are not part of the club of decent states)))
                    1. Moore
                      Moore 25 September 2019 18: 44
                      0
                      Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
                      As far as I know (of those military doctrines that are available to the "people"), in none of them have I come across the word war.

                      https://base.garant.ru/70830556/
                      Military doctrine of the Russian Federation (approved by the President of the Russian Federation on December 25, 2014, N Pr-2976)
                      n.8.
        3. Was mammoth
          Was mammoth 24 September 2019 20: 44
          +1
          Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
          I am one of the founders of the "Immortal Regiment" ....

          They did a good and significant work. I once wrote about the first Immortal regiment that this is perhaps more important than a military parade. Thank you for it.
          Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
          We must finally understand that VICTORY DAY is our internal state holiday - a holiday with tears in our eyes. And do not impose our Victory in World War II to those who fought with us ... And the USSR had allies only in World War II., and not in the DOMESTIC,

          Well said, but not entirely true. In Israel, Victory Day is now also official. As in Russia, Kazakhstan, Belarus ... .And, in general, this is a "holiday with tears in the eyes" in the heart.
          Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
          And with the "St. George ribbon" - it is also not clear why one of the symbols of the Great Patriotic War was precisely the "St. George ribbon" and not the "Ribbon of the Soviet Guard" - it was this ribbon that marked the highest military valor during the Second World War, and not St. George's.

          This is the continuity of St. George's crosses and orders of Glory. The authors of the order did their best!
  7. Evil echo
    Evil echo 24 September 2019 09: 02
    +2
    Forging axes over the hill
    Wild heads slice
    But the aliens chain mail rings
    Russian speech.
    And from the copulation to the stars
    The White Army rises.
    Here on the home side
    We die.

    Attacks on the Russian language are also everywhere observed.
  8. Victorio
    Victorio 24 September 2019 09: 11
    0
    thanks, good stuff.
  9. faterdom
    faterdom 24 September 2019 09: 19
    +4
    different French and Serbian partisans tried to fight the hydra of Nazism

    "French partisans" - almost without exception former Soviet and very few British prisoners of war, as well as some Jews, who had no choice at all. And the "clean" Frenchmen received on the Borodino field, this time also fatal for those who left for "Dang nach Osten".
    Here are Italian, those are another matter - for example, Fedor Poletaev laughing . They still hanged their Ducha with Pettachi long before the end of the war, and did not vehemently condemn the collaborators when it became safe and fashionable.
    1. Moore
      Moore 25 September 2019 07: 00
      0
      Quote: faterdom
      They still, long before the end of the war, hanged their Ducha with the Pettachi,

      Do you think that April 28 1945 is long before the end of the war? They shot, by the way, then hanged, mocking.
  10. faterdom
    faterdom 24 September 2019 09: 25
    +2
    As for the Belarusians (and other current allies): we would have caused them a strong desire to join us when we spent money not on them, but on ourselves. Well, the mentality is arranged, at least for a person, at least for a people. We respect a lot, even if we don’t like a smart, strong and wealthy neighbor. And not the one who drags everything from home, even if this dragged away gives us. We can’t count this clever in any way, and to join this one - sorry!
  11. rocket757
    rocket757 24 September 2019 09: 28
    +2
    What is such a "pan-European Victory Day"? Who over whom?

    LOSERS jumpers! they believe that they have something to be proud of ???
    Deb - Belismism of the highest standard!
    And we have something to be proud of! We will walk firmly with our heads held high, praise and remember our ANCESTORS !!! Glory! Glory! Glory!
    1. iouris
      iouris 24 September 2019 12: 49
      +3
      The USSR did not conduct World War II with Germany, but with the EU.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 24 September 2019 12: 59
        +1
        Quote: iouris
        The USSR did not conduct World War II with Germany, but with the EU.

        In fact, YES, it was called differently, that’s the whole difference.
        1. iouris
          iouris 26 September 2019 12: 42
          +1
          Do you want "checkers" or "go"? The war is on. But "Russia did not come to the war."
  12. kiril1246
    kiril1246 24 September 2019 14: 47
    0
    All the same, the topic of world Zionism is poorly disclosed. And like 150000 Zionists fighting in the ranks of the Wehrmacht.
  13. 1536
    1536 24 September 2019 16: 27
    +1
    This is how neo-Nazism turned into ordinary fascism. The adoption of a resolution of the European Parliament in the fall of 2019 can be considered the starting point of a new attack on Russia in the 21st century. And most importantly, all the same twelve languages ​​that attacked us as part of Napoleon’s army in the 1812, and in the 1941 as part of the Wehrmacht III of the Reich, led by paranoid thirsts for unlimited power, they now want revenge. Napoleon today reclines in a tomb in the center of Paris. And the Germans will bury Hitler with honors, because it is not by chance that there is talk that it was not at all that he was destroyed in the 1945 year in his den in Berlin. Here the monuments to Soviet soldiers will be removed, and will take care of their former Fuhrer. And the goals of these peoples are the same - the destruction of the state, the transformation of our people into wordless slaves. It remains only to find a new Napolon-Hitler and start.
    Such is the price of the withdrawal of our troops at the beginning of the 1990's. as a result of criminal decisions by the top of the CPSU.
  14. Valery Mironov
    Valery Mironov 24 September 2019 22: 18
    +1
    My grandfather had 7 children, 2 died, 5 survived, everyone graduated.
  15. Old warrior
    Old warrior 25 September 2019 11: 09
    +1
    Who should they be afraid of? There is no Soviet Union. To ask, in full, there is no one.
  16. Eug
    Eug 26 September 2019 08: 00
    0
    What's surprising? The Germans completely fell under the Anglo-Saxons, part of Russia is trying to resist the Anglo-Saxons ... In the context of history, the end of the 1st World War and the Genoa Conference gave rise to so many contradictions in Europe that they can be called the "Anglo-Saxon Dream" ..
  17. ZAV69
    ZAV69 26 September 2019 09: 17
    +2
    Quote: Sergey1987
    I completely agree with you, only the Czechs on the side of Hitler did not fight.

    That's just the Czech defense industry worked like a clock for Hitler. And if you look, then there is a waffen ss Czech.