Shoigu: Syrian operation allowed for weapons modernization

The use of Caliber cruise missiles against militants in Syria revealed their shortcomings and modernized. This was announced by Russian Minister of Defense Sergei Shoigu in an interview with the newspaper "Moscow's comsomolets".

According to the head of the military department, the Caliber cruise missiles were modernized following the results of their use in Syria, which significantly reduced the laying time of the flight mission. The order for the modernization of cruise missiles, Shoigu specified, was given by Russian President Vladimir Putin, who got acquainted with the results of their use on the positions of terrorists.

(...) earlier, for loading a flight mission into the Caliber cruise missile, it took so much time that the target could go. And today, the loading time of a flight mission to Caliber has decreased, I emphasize, a multiple

- the minister said, adding that the modernization work weapons are ongoing.

Also, according to the results of the operation in Syria, a decision was made and further modernization of weapons models near 300 was carried out. In addition, thanks to tests carried out in Syria, production was completely discontinued and twelve types of weapons that were previously considered promising were withdrawn from service. At the same time, Shoigu did not specify what kind of weapons in question.

As a result of the hostilities in Syria, of course, we conducted a large debriefing (...) about 300 types of weapons were modified taking into account the Syrian experience, and 12 samples that were considered promising, we simply removed from production and weapons

- he added.

Comments

[tlauicol]

have you got rid of robots? I wonder what kind of samples were rejected?

12 samples that were considered promising, we just removed from production and weapons

[Kontrik]

And not only the modernization of weapons ... Russia began to respect itself! That we can conduct our independent policy and defend the countries asking us about it .. I remember that the initial period of the operation collected everything they could in the Navy and stood literally in rows, in front of the US AUG armada .. Ready for anything! (there was an interview with the captain of the ship for a long time) "We were ready to die, but not to miss the NATO armada" And the order was to fight to the death ..
And they even tried to launch lionfish in Syria a couple, but they were shot down .. There everything was on the verge of the third world .. And the USA drifted ..

[Shurik70]

Why didn’t he say anything about anti-aircraft guns?
Israel together with ISIS actively tested them

Russian airfield Khmeimim in Syria, reflection of missile attack and drones.

Submitted by Echo of Petersburg Saturday, 14 September 2019

[JD1979]

The ground volcano-phalanx worked beautifully)))

[krot]

The ground volcano-phalanx worked beautifully

And I would add ... worked in a video game)))
People, you are blind, what is the graphics, and not the best?
Echo of Petersburg - fake guns!

[Shurik70]

Well yes. In reality, smoke does not dissipate so quickly
It is a pity that real frames do not show. It’s interesting

[Voyager]

The graphics in ArmA 3 are actually the best among all military simulators. But the people, of course, famously threw this video.

[Shurik70]

And where does it say that the movie is real?
If a picture is inserted, this is just a picture for the text.

[Voyager]

Yes, in the head of most who looked, and it says

[Catfish]

"It says in my head" - what? Or by whom? And how does it work?

[Catfish]

I was also surprised: at such a rate of continuous firing, the skiff will come very quickly to the barrels, this concerns the installation that fired "off-screen", besides, the ammunition consumption. It looks like you are right, colleague Pavel.

[ilya63]

Is this how they worked from the box?

[hydrox]

This is not from the ship, these are professional bots with Photoshop that can work - they give a beautiful picture! Check out how quickly the smoke trail from the supposedly shot down rocket disappears and how suddenly and smoothly this trail appears.

[Hog]

This is from Arma 3.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Is this how they worked from the box?

This is computer graphics.

[Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock]

Shurik70 (Alexander)
They did not teach you in childhood that lying is not good, but you need to answer for the words?
Especially for you: Shaigu S.K. : "In Syria, by the way, we are in constant contact not only with the US military, but also with the military of Turkey and Israel. And everything is fine-tuned here."
20.09.2019
https://www.mk.ru/politics/2019/09/22/sergey-shoygu-rasskazal-kak-spasali-rossiyskuyu-armiyu.html
So, Shurik ...

[AlexG83]

Quote: Shurik70

Why didn’t he say anything about anti-aircraft guns?
Israel together with ISIS actively tested them

Russian airfield Khmeimim in Syria, reflection of missile attack and drones.

Submitted by Echo of Petersburg Saturday, 14 September 2019

How long can this video from the computer game "Arma3" be posted by the shameful.

[210ox]

In my opinion, helicopter missiles are subject to serious revision.

[iConst]

Quote: 210ox

In my opinion, helicopter missiles are subject to serious revision.

Videoconferencing needs very much "fire-forget" - analogs of helfair. With the barmaley in the desert, it was possible to accompany a single target with moderate risk.

[Mountain shooter]

Serious business is combat use. No polygons and tests can replace it! Shoigu is just a "honey", well, a man in his OWN PLACE! Set a task - it performs flawlessly!

[iConst]

Ancient wisdom - for one broken ...

[axiles100682]

When a person is happy for the economy entrusted to him, he is rooting for his homeland; he will always be in his place. Not a place colors a person, but a person a place.

[Sibiriya]

For clarity, Shoigu spoke about the results of the first really sudden test of combat readiness, when tens of thousands of people from different regions were raised and transferred to other ranges over long distances using standard equipment rather than training equipment.

"None of them - I emphasize again, not a single (unit) - fulfilled the standards for" satisfactory "," - said the head of the military department.

“We are not trying to compete with them on all fronts. If you put the US military budget on the shelves, understanding will come to you: they have huge expenses for various bases scattered all over the world, ”he said in an interview with MK.

According to Shoigu, the whole USA has about 170 of such bases in the world.

“US costs alone for the same operation in Afghanistan are almost equal to our annual defense budget,” the minister said.

Caliber cruise missiles were modernized after their use in Syria, which reduced the loading time of the flight mission. This was announced by the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Sergey Shoigu in an interview with MK.

“The loading time of the flight mission into the Caliber has decreased, I emphasize, several times,” he stated.

In general, it is better to watch the whole interview.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Siberia

In general, it’s better to watch the whole interview

I looked just ... I told everything well ... We got out from the bottom!

[knn54]

Impressive considering the "testing" of more than 600 weapons.

[Nycomed]

Right in everything!

[Fedor Sokolov]

"An army that does not fight is decaying." (Otto von Bismarck).

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

Quote: Fedor Sokolov

"An army that does not fight is decaying." (Otto von Bismarck).

So it is, only to our army, it has nothing to do.

[Tusv]

Quote: Fedor Sokolov

An army that does not fight decays

Damn, but the men did not know. S-400 will never enter the battle. Did Hitler attack us, knowing the TTX T-34, definitely knew about the KV-2. Secrecy her mother

[Bshkaus]

The operation in Syria allowed for the modernization of weapons

Who would doubt that?
The Kharkov diesel locomotive plant also produced 4 steam locomotives per day and 22 tanks of by-products (from pre-war reports on industrial growth).
Naturally, in any war organized by a great military power (and the Russian Federation and the USA are still great powers, if only on the grounds that they can destroy the whole world in a matter of hours), one of the secondary tasks is to test new types of weapons and get combat experience with a probable (real) adversary, and not against those against whom the databases are formally conducted. moreover, it is desirable that the experience with a true adversary be mediated, so that nothing happens.

[Ross xnumx]

Also, based on the results of the operation in Syria, a decision was made and further modernization was carried out around 300 weapons, and 12 weapons, which were considered promising, were withdrawn from service and their production ceased. At the same time, Shoigu did not specify what kind of weapons in question.

Excellent data. As many as 300 samples were upgraded. It would be interesting to know, although they are mostly known. But these 12 samples, which (who? Why? When?) Were considered promising, received funds for development and production I would very much like to see. And then, somehow it turns out ugly - we do not know the names of the heroes, or the names of "enemies of the people" ...
I would like to think that these 300 modernization models do not include any bending of the machine gun barrel or a new bullet for 7, 62 mm rounds .. We have enough of these "cast bullets" to the grave ...

[Vita vko]

Quote: ROSS 42

somehow it turns out ugly - we don't know the names of the heroes or the names of the "enemies of the people."

"The science of winning" still remains a science, and in it "a negative result is also a result." In this case, the ability to admit mistakes is much more beneficial than simple and proven solutions, because it allows you to transfer the development of technology to a qualitatively new level.

[axiles100682]

The one who does nothing is not mistaken. Even if these samples were the top branch of development, they nevertheless gave considerable experience for future inventions. Although other designers would not waste their time knowing that this is a dead end, a considerable contribution.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: axiles100682

The one who does nothing is not mistaken.

It's great that you know these common truths. You can't just be put in a "topic". Can you explain the name of those who do-do, and in the end result they receive only experience - the son of difficult mistakes?

[Voyager]

By your logic, the Buran program was also a mistake. It’s immediately obvious that you’ve never been involved in development. Experience is one of the most valuable that a person has.

[axiles100682]

I can call it. These are called homosapiens-reasonable people.

[Rostislav]

Yes, there was a proving ground called Vietnam, now Syria.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Rostislav

Yes, there was a proving ground called Vietnam, now Syria.

Between them was still Afghanistan

[Kenxnumx]

Chechnya forgotten

[Piramidon]

Quote: Ken71

Chechnya forgotten

One can object to Chechnya. All the same, there Soviet weapons were used against the same Soviet ones. And this can be worked out at an ordinary landfill. There, in the process, not so much the weapons themselves were updated as the tactics of their use. And in Afghanistan, the partners threw in their designs, the same "stingers", thanks to which our MANPADS were improved.

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

Shoigu: Operation in Syria allowed for weapons modernization

And not only the modernization of weapons but also new rules and warfare.

[thinker]

Thanks for the link to the full interview (apparently the criticism is valid). I read with great interest

[_Ugene_]

it turns out that the Americans do not crawl out of military conflicts for nothing, it’s very useful for testing weapons in real conditions, we should adopt this practice

[The Sparkle]

They participate, but to no purpose - they just cut money well for advertising weapons instead of upgrading them. For example, I’ll give them Patriots who missed the shelling of Saudi Arabia from Yemen. And this is not the first time.)))

[SovietUnit]

Of course, the operation in Syria showed a lot.
- Mi 28 which turned out to be shit, which wasn’t news for normal military experts.
- "Kuznetsov" is no longer even a geopolitical tool, military capabilities are not even worth talking about.
- A catastrophe in the training of pilots of carrier-based aviation.
- The T 90 turns out not to collapse, but a fully operational tank that had to be massively purchased yesterday, and not to carry out the shameful modernization of the T 72B3, and not to drive a super tank with buthoria instead of a tower at the parade, controlled by a joystick from the console.
- We need modern attack aircraft (cheap workhorses) that will replace the Su 24.
- When sending bombers or attack aircraft, they must be covered with at least 1 fighter
- "Shell" is an excellent complex, and very relevant in modern warfare with the participation of drones (Hello Saudis!)!
- We have a lot of soldiers with "eggs" who have made a result on the land of Syria, but they are not considered soldiers, but they are formalized through an illegal mercenary organization and buried as shameful mercenaries not involved in the success of our state.
I really hope that at last our common sense and logic will be taken up above the feeling and desire for constant enrichment.

[hydrox]

Quote: SovietUnit

I really hope that at last our common sense and logic will be taken up above the feeling and desire for constant enrichment.

Nothing good will happen in Russia as long as power is ruled for enrichment in the presence of a people who sniff a small fraction of socialism ...

[Ryaruav]

it's all very good, but I would like losses as little as possible

[Kenxnumx]

That is, now our army is completely ready for war with the enemy, who does not have aviation, air defense, modern heavy weapons, normal missiles, and is armed mainly with small arms and outdated anti-tank missiles. And with whom so powerful are we still preparing to fight?

[Town Hall]

According to Shoigu, the conflict in Syria showed that about 300 weapons were partially inappropriate.

[axiles100682]

And these partially unsuitable 300 samples returned to Assad most of the country. Having fallen amer for the Euphrates.

[Moskovit]

People like you are always needed, seriously. There should always be whiners who cool too optimistic.
Forget that the militants had armored vehicles, barrels and rocket artillery. For some reason, the Americans in the fight against the Taliban, which does not even have a hint of air defense, used the F-35. Here are the fools. Continue to sketch))
But seriously, weapons for a large-scale war are being tested at Center 2019.

[Kenxnumx]

Ancient armored vehicles, no less ancient artillery. What did they find out. That the nurses should be removed and thrown away, or that the barn with donkeys takes caliber well from across the sea. Or that the Su-25 should not enter the air defense zone from the word at all. And it somehow never occurred to you before? Just now, plus all these modernizations, probably useful in the context of the war with the gangs, billions of dollars have come to Syria's infrastructure, supplying it with weapons and ammunition, and political and other protection. And yes, we have a large gold reserves - the hands are itchy to spend on something global. The only plus from all this is the conclusion of Kuzi for repair

[hydrox]

You should not present a propaganda version of Israel’s point of view on this forum, although Russians also need to know the real point of view of this country on Arab events.

[Kenxnumx]

You should not give unqualified advice that you have not been asked for. But out of respect for the polite presentation, I will answer you. The point of view of Israel is set forth in the fighting below. It lies in the fact that for Israel we first helped to defeat ISIS, and secondly, provided them with unique intelligence on the characteristics of our air defense and electronic warfare systems, which will allow us to modernize the means of attack and suppression of Israel and allied countries, including NATO, as efficiently as possible. Therefore, Israel has received exceptional benefits for its defense from our presence in Syria. And for Russia, I see solid cons. Starting from huge economic and material losses, and ending with reputational losses. Even the possible benefits of modernization do not cover these losses. And since we fought the army wretched from a technical point of view, these modernizations will not improve our position in the confrontation with the USA

[hydrox]

Well, something you completely lowered Russia: a) at the same time, your F-35s never fired against our air defense systems; b) in the Kuneitra region on the Israeli side, they organized a hospital for ISIS; c) in Aleppo, Israel kept its instructors on a par with Canadians and Australians. And although we fought with ISIS, all of our weapons tested on the Syrian front were sharpened for a war with the United States - whoever this fact would not warrant - and we achieved some success on this front by creating models, weapons that the United States would not have 5-7 years old.
And do you consider this Russia's reputational loss?

[Kenxnumx]

The particulars and accusations against Israel listed by you are not interesting in the global understanding of the war, and you have repeatedly explained about this hospital. And I remember under Allepo bombed the positions of the SSA, which were then attacked and taken by ISIS - that is, in fact, the VKS helped ISIS in the battle, although by accident. Reputational losses relate to participation in chemical weapons scandals in which we were guilty for the world community in defending the Assad regime during the civil war that it almost lost (against its opposition, which, by the way, also fought with ISIS). That is, we became a party to a foreign civil war and helped defeat one of the parties, which significantly worsened our image. Perhaps you and I don’t care, but Russia’s policy and future agreements aren’t. The conditions of the war in Syria differ little from the polygon, with the exception of small details. The US Army is primarily a high-tech and remote army. Who is better machine is not very important. It reminds me of the war with Finland, where Western experts concluded that the Red Army is weak

[hydrox]

Friendly fire is not a rare accident and the guilty party is always there, but not always it comes out.
Chemical weapons are a long-term provocation of "White Helmets" and now they have no effect on our reputation, especially in connection with the fresh facts about Khan Sheikhun.
The war is not civil, but inspired by the United States, paid for and armed with it, and our help is official and registered at the UN, so this is not a minus, but a plus in our favor.
And the "high technology" of the American army was expressed primarily in the bombing of civilian objects and awesome pissing from meetings with our aviation - it's even funny to write about this.
Like that ...

[Kenxnumx]

Your problem is that you not only read Soviet newspapers in the mornings, but also watch news and talk shows in the evenings. What you wrote is an official point of view, I can also quote it to you. The problem is that in the world with which we need to negotiate (because it will be unprofitable to fight), the point of view on the processes does not quite coincide with yours. Of course, we defeated everyone, and this is without a doubt, and the enemies are right away from the appearance of our mighty squadrons and squadrons, but it is possible (just think about it) that this is not entirely true.

[MMX]

Quote: Ken71

Reputation losses .... that pretty much worsened our image. Perhaps you and I don’t care, but Russia’s policy and future agreements aren’t.

I will not even argue with the "conclusions" about the reasons for the "reputation losses", but the role of these very "reputation losses" is greatly exaggerated by you. To put it mildly...

[Kenxnumx]

Israel has repeatedly claimed the F-35 flights / Perhaps our air defense missed them without detecting.

[hydrox]

This is just that rare case when I do not believe Israel even once.

[Kenxnumx]

This is just the case when this is your problem. Of course, if you are not a serious expert in this field

[axiles100682]

Is this yours? Israeli or Russian? Would you have decided on your homeland already.

[Kenxnumx]

When I need your opinion on what I should do, I will contact you.

[axiles100682]

Well, while we are on opposite sides of the barricades. Cooperation with Israel in the military-flight sphere is impossible, for one simple reason, Israel is an ally of the United States, and the United States and, in general, with the Anglo-Saxon world, the Russian Federation, the USSR, and the Republic of Ingushetia have long-standing conflicts of interest that are practically insoluble

[Kenxnumx]

That's the way I thought. And why not make Israel our ally. Here the USA will break the pattern :)

[axiles100682]

The preconditions were for the formation of Israel and not bad, if I’m not mistaken, the USA was against the formation of a Jewish state. But now Israel is very tightly tied to the USA in the USA, there is a very large Jewish lobby in the government. In Israel there are many Jews from the former union, but many of them are in glad to Russia.

[Kenxnumx]

The United States was not opposed, but for a long time could not decide for whom they were. There were prerequisites and Israel was a socialist state, but the USSR seemed to be putting too much pressure, and the Jews did not get out of slavery for that. It is if simple. And now Israel is surprisingly !!!! treats us well. Like the citizens. I didn’t see anyone there treating me badly, even from local ones, even from our former ones. And by the way, normalization bridges with the West and the USA can be built just through Israel.

[axiles100682]

Well, personally, I don’t think at all that the West and the USA are too necessary for Russia. The sales markets there have long been divided, in all directions they need nothing from us apart from raw materials. Yes, and our consumer goods are a sin to concede to them. Therefore as for me, the markets of developing countries are much more important to us. Yes, and I think we will somehow agree with Europe ourselves, and the United States is useless to negotiate at all, star before lawlessness. This state is not negotiable

[Kenxnumx]

Not markets, but technologies and patents and scientific communities, where they sometimes stopped letting us in. In addition to resources, we have nothing to offer to the markets.

[MMX]

Quote: Ken71

Not markets, but technologies and patents and scientific communities, where they sometimes stopped letting us in. In addition to resources, we have nothing to offer to the markets.

What technologies and patents?

P.S. In the 90s, as I understand it, Russia simply bathed in Western patents and technologies

[MMX]

Quote: Ken71

That's the way I thought. And why not make Israel our ally. Here the USA will break the pattern :)

I am afraid that from the "torn US template" Israel itself will cease to exist.

[axiles100682]

Well, the question was rhetorical. I did not wait for an answer and I do not wait. For myself, at least decide where your homeland is. At one continuous moment, you will have to make this choice all the same.

[axiles100682]

Well, first of all, Syria is not so far from us to assume that the affairs of Syria do not concern us, especially since we have the Syrian treaties really since the days of the USSR. The USA somehow does not soar considering the entire globe as a zone of its interests. I would I agreed with you about Maduro and about Assad if everyone else were neutral about these countries and they decided between themselves who should rule in their country. Or do you want to tell me that overthrowing Assad, the United States brought peace and prosperity to Syria? Nenad of fairy tales. Each pursues its own goals. And Russia in Syria also does not philanthropist philanthropist, but unlike them, at least we do this while observing at least some international truth .

[Kenxnumx]

It sometimes seems to me that the USA deliberately makes fun of unprofitable projects. All our actions over the past 7 years abroad have led to severe losses - in all of us we confront the United States and in all this confrontation the United States costs almost nothing. Just think it over. Ukraine, Syria, Venezuela. Reagan at one time said that he would equip the USSR to death (perhaps the wording of a few friends, but the meaning is). And now it’s not biased - it is not what the United States does. And we are doing this instead of developing our country. As a result, Turkey, China, the Baltic states and many others overtook us during this time in terms of living standards per capita. We did not just catch the bait - we swallowed it in such a way that we could not spit it out. I personally do not care about Assad. And Maduro and I do not care whether they will have Guaido or anyone else, the main thing is that they confirm and repay the debts (by the way, this does not shine Maduro - the situation continues to worsen). In short, I hope you understand me

[axiles100682]

And what’s our way out? To become a US satellite? Can you tell me a bedtime story about universal democracy, just a peppy market, fair competition and the supremacy of international law? Not all of this ended with the advent of a unipolar world. And now we have to go under the States and dance to their tune, or try to change this world order. Personally, I am for the second. And let me have to sacrifice something for this

[Kenxnumx]

The argument with you is dear to me :) but the truth is more important. There are more than two colors in the world and the concept of satellite is a little stretched. Suppose whether the satellite is Switzerland, Germany. Probably not. The USA is the most powerful country in the world so that we don’t think to ourselves there. Yes, we have as many warheads, but everything else is less. And warheads are a bad argument - you don’t want to sit in a bomb shelter and bury your relatives, even if some John does the same in the ruins of Washington. In economics and geopolitics, we are not opposed to them; they have already inflicted enormous damage on our own without suffering any losses. We have a huge country and a sea of ​​unfinished business. It may be better to take care of your home, not to go anywhere and strengthen your army, such as Switzerland. And to be friends with everyone with whom it is beneficial - that is, with normal countries without civil wars and economic problems. Let those who are not lazy deal with the USA. And the United States, no matter how big - fall apart - will not be enough for everyone, they are already starting to fall apart, and the economy is not iron.

[axiles100682]

Everyone needs to be engaged in equally. The domestic policy now directly depends on the foreign one and vice versa. You can’t consider one separately from the other. The concept of a normal country is also quite vague. For me, let’s say Iran is a mole, a normal country, at least more democratic than the monarchies of the bay . I think the Russian Federation would only be for cooperation with Germany, Iran, and not at all, without getting into their domestic affairs, but don’t you see what they’re missing? They overthrow the governments, put their puppets, crush sanctions like us for those who want Work with us. Threats, blackmail, coups have become the norm of competition.
PS Germany and Switzerland are still not so independent. There are plenty of examples of countries acting to their detriment but in the interests of the United States in recent years. And yet, didn’t you think that it was the opposition of Russia that contributed to the beginning of the spread of the US economy? independent politics of the same Germany, Turkey and others?

[Kenxnumx]

You understood that independence is a loose concept. Now we have become independent of the latest achievements of scientific and technological progress, and we do not have ours. And you know, it’s amusing to watch as in a tri-price, through the fifth hands without normal service there is a purchase in the USA and Canada. That is, we are dependent on them. Even the supremely independent DPRK is dependent on food and smuggling of various utilities. And the US satellites also send them perfectly acting in their own interests, which we do but with sanctions and wild confrontation.

[axiles100682]

Well, not everything is so gloomy in the vicinity. Technologies can be copied, stolen, stolen to argue the process of their technical progress, and need accelerates actions. We did not introduce these sanctions, it is not for us to begin the process of rapprochement.

[Kenxnumx]

TECHNOLOGIES cannot be stolen. It is also impossible to speed up the process. Of course, we compensate for something at the expense of the Asians, but we have actually been cut off from modern science. And for sanctions - well, so far it’s not so scary, but the backlog is growing. And you have to do something with this and this something is not called import substitution.

[axiles100682]

Come on, the Soviet Union also developed its technologies in isolation and succeeded in many ways. And Russia has minds, capabilities, and resources.

[Kenxnumx]

In the USSR, many laboratories were engaged in the fact that stolen microcircuits were removed in layers, and then they were crookedly reproduced. Soviet VLSIs are the largest in the world. Maybe they heard. The USSR was very far behind in electronics, but there were scientists, and now everything is much worse. Now people graduating from Baumanka and the Moscow Institute of Physics and Technology are planning to work for 30 thousand crowds to the west. Or you did not know about it. And then there are sanctions and a ban on technology.

[axiles100682]

Like me, what is it? Frankly speaking hypocrisy that he is a hypocrite?

[Voyager]

Konstantin, here you are scolding the Russian Armed Forces for the experience of conducting military operations against "weak" and with outdated equipment. Are there other examples in the new story? When, say, the Americans fought against their peers with modern weapons?

[Kenxnumx]

For example, the United States fought with the Iraqi army, which, although inferior to the United States in most respects, was nonetheless regular and was among the ten strongest in the world. And the Americans have pumped the concepts of modern distance war well. But I'm not talking about that. The second question is what to fight for. If for influence, markets, benefits for your country, then this option is valid. But what effect did the benefits and markets have gained in Syria. Base? Not even funny. Cracked like Amts in Afghanistan. After a couple of years of counter-guerrilla operations, having spent billions on Syria’s infrastructure (71 VKS strikes), we don’t know how to get out of there. And please do not remember the Qatari gas pipeline - this is a fake.

[Voyager]

Nevertheless, the motives for your claims are not clear to me. Spent a lot of money, yes, but then:
- We checked our army in action, at least in such conditions. Even such an experience is incomparably better than its complete absence.
- We tested in practice most of the available weapons of equipment and weapons.
“They saved the country and people from total annihilation and did not allow an increase in the influence of the West in the region.” An ally in practice is so-so, but again, this is better than nothing.
- They showed the whole world that we can in geopolitics. All this is recognized and reckoned with.
And even without gas pipelines, is it a fake?

[Kenxnumx]

In short. They saved the regime that their own people drove into a corner - the SSA is mostly deserters from the SAA, and the Sunni majority of Syria got the rule of the Alavite elite. They destroyed a large part of the country together with the local ones (71 thousand BSHU). They showed to the whole world that cooperation with terrorists and ayatols is not disgusting to us, although in our country Muslims are Sunnis. We checked the weapons, yes, but not much better than at the training ground. Your right to believe that it was worth it.

[Kenxnumx]

But the biggest thank you to the Israeli Air Force, which on concrete examples showed how our air defense of the near zone is opened. This lesson may come in handy.

[hydrox]

Correctly noted: this is a lesson for us, and we will certainly put it on the tablets, as if written in blood.

[poquello]

Quote: Ken71

But the biggest thank you to the Israeli Air Force, which on concrete examples showed how our air defense of the near zone is opened. This lesson may come in handy.

in how, but in more detail? and then I saw the holey air defense of the Saudis, I saw the holey iron dome, but I did not notice the opening of the air defense of Khmeinim

[Kenxnumx]

And the opening of the Syrian air defense, built, equipped and trained by us, including quite modern systems.

[poquello]

Quote: Ken71

And the opening of the Syrian air defense, built, equipped and trained by us, including quite modern systems.

Quote: Ken71

showed how to open is our Defense

[Kenxnumx]

Syrian air defense is ours. Well, maybe a light version. The same modern shells. And other beeches with cubes and other geometry, which, time after time, cannot cover the defended objects.

[poquello]

Quote: Ken71

Syrian air defense is ours. Well, maybe a light version. The same modern shells. And other beeches with cubes and other geometry, which, time after time, cannot cover the defended objects.

here it is not necessary to drive! Jews stole before one shell was destroyed, the amount of modern weapons does not allow to close the sky, especially when the distance is limited by borders, and the rest is from 200 and other junk throughout the country

[Kenxnumx]

I saw a photo of two worn shells. There were no Jews nearby

[poquello]

Quote: Ken71

I saw a photo of two worn shells. There were no Jews nearby

I don’t know two, maybe I missed the second one, but I don’t have to look at the photo, but what it was worth destroying it

[Kenxnumx]

You see how you do not follow the topic - and there is the same argue, be rude

[axiles100682]

Ours but not yours. You did not supply your iron dome of Syria

[Kenxnumx]

No dome will save Syria. Enough story with our plane, which they shot down, violating all possible instructions. I’m sorry, I understand this, and the corresponding docks on the C200, to my surprise, were on the network to somehow refresh the information.

[axiles100682]

Well, it won’t save Syria, it’s a little late for you. I’m tired of talking about two or three years ago, then I might have doubted a little more. But now it’s clear that the fate of Libya does not wait for Syria. Although this tramp has been there for a long time, the restoration of the country has already begun and will go parallel to its final liberation and American firms do not shine from the word at all.

[Kenxnumx]

71 thousand BShU. Oh, how long to recover, and how much can be left on contracts. Feeder. Although I did not mean this, but the personnel and the effectiveness of their air defense.

[axiles100682]

Well, not without this, but the state will also profit. Efficiency is a liquid business, and under the Russian strict guidance of air defense it will be at the level of

[Kenxnumx]

They will not have air defense. Because they are dumb. Without quotes. They have been taught for decades - all to no avail. Even the site has one of the teachers - terribly disappointed.

[axiles100682]

Well, about the Arab Armed Forces, I am also not a high opinion of any country. But as you can see, under the strict guidance of the Russians and the Persians, they are capable of something.

[Kenxnumx]

No matter what. I would say that their opponents are capable if they were not trampled. Arabs are not able to fight in the regular army at the level of Europeans, Americans or Israelis.

[aszzz888]

As a result of the hostilities in Syria, of course, we conducted a large debriefing (...) about 300 types of weapons were modified taking into account the Syrian experience, and 12 samples that were considered promising, we simply removed from production and weapons

A modern approach to big business.

[Pavel57]

Army reform not tested in battles can give unpredictable results.

[Vladimir61]

The main result, we have restored the Army and our influence on world processes! And for this, I must say thank you not only to Putin and Shoigu, but also to the servicemen, gunsmiths, all the working people of Russia! For the second time we "cut a window" into the world space, where they really, really did not want to see us.

[voyaka uh]

Everyone benefits!
The Israeli army also pretty much updated its arsenal of weapons and reconnaissance equipment following contact with new Russian weapons delivered to Syria. I had to work precisely in the conditions of counteraction against electronic warfare and dense air defense. This is interesting and gave a start to new developments.

[Kenxnumx]

Write to Shoigu thanks. This will be level 80 trolling.

[voyaka uh]

The Russian army helped defeat ISIS. The rest is secondary.

[Kenxnumx]

Undoubtedly, but it would be better if Russia did not fit into the intra-Syrian disassembly in no way connected with ISIS

[axiles100682]

And without them, no way. Any dictator in the BV is all better than anarchy. An idiotic idea to impose shit democracy in a primitive communal system. Each people themselves must go their own development path independently and completely, and they must choose the regime of government that suits them.

[Kenxnumx]

Do you personally feel touched by BV? It may bother. You know, there are a lot of hot spots in Africa, and in South America it’s restless.

[axiles100682]

I don’t touch anything that does not interfere with the development of Russia. I’m better aware that after all the Arab springs they were established by the Americans, Russian firms were simply squeezed out of these countries and replaced with American and. This was the case in Egypt under the Muslim brothers, this was the case in Algeria. Nobody succeeded with Libya. Iraq after Saddam made a sharp turn from the United States to the United States. It all hits Russian firms, according to the fullness of the Russian budget. And how can it you do not concern?

[Kenxnumx]

Do you have a stake in Russian firms? And if I tell you that this is never true. That in Iraq, the United States remained with a nose, but ours rose. Learn a little about the topic. Without war, much more can be achieved. And do not restore the destroyed

[axiles100682]

Yes, I don’t take care of myself, and I have never been an envious person. We got up but only after I started wetting ISIS in Syria. It’s just because the United States listed itself. Moreover, in Egypt they regained their positions with the advent of Assi. I don’t know much about Algeria but in the military-technical sphere, it seems, contacts are being restored. And this is all a consequence, a consequence of our operation in Syria.

[Kenxnumx]

I will express seditious thought. Our losses in Syria are not covered by our advertising and potential profits. An even more seditious thought - to work out our VKS it would be more useful to fly together with the USA from their bases. They foolishly offered. The problem in Syria is that we are stuck with the restoration of Syria, and overhaul. There are hundreds of billions of damage and not a penny of money from Assad

[axiles100682]

Well, here you are, you’ll see how they say. I personally think that Syria will fight off our surplus, both material and image. And flying in a place with the Americans? Russia is too big to be someone's junior partner. Yes, and as I have said more than once, the views on our countries are so different that it is simply impossible. This conflict of interest has been going on for several centuries and no end is expected

[Kenxnumx]

Russia is a junior partner of China.

[Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock]

The operation of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in Syria. From the point of view of military, scientific, technical and combat training, military operations of such a scale are invaluable experience in testing material assets and training personnel.
Many postulates are being revised. that in peacetime they turn a blind eye or simply do not see, are forced to make other decisions in a combat situation.
It often turns out that weak opponents are not so weak, and opponents strong are not so strong. The experience of other countries participating in the conflict is being studied.
The theory is tested by practice.
10 samples of Russian weapons did not pass the test by Syria (2016)
"According to a person close to the Ministry of Defense, among the above 10 samples that misfired are air-launched cruise missiles, communications and electronic intelligence."
https://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/articles/2016/12/23/670902-obraztsov-vooruzhenii-proverku

[Voyager]

Really X-101?

[Lexus]

The more numbers - the more "solid" the performance.

[Ros 56]

This has long been known, an example of this is the development of tank building in the USSR. Compare pre-war samples and tanks of 45 years. Yes, and I-16 aircraft at the beginning of the war and La-7, 9,11 and Yak-9U and Yak-3 by the end of the war. Day and night. Any practical application of technology, especially in conditions of survival, leads to its improvement. Law of life.

[Undecim]

According to the head of the military department, the Caliber cruise missiles were modernized following the results of their use in Syria, which significantly reduced the laying time of the flight mission. The order for the modernization of cruise missiles, Shoigu specified, was given by Russian President Vladimir Putin, who got acquainted with the results of their use on the positions of terrorists.
Wow, none of the developers and the military knew that the time to book a flight mission should be reduced to a minimum. And He got acquainted with the results and saw !!! And then he instructed! I immediately remember the "genius scientist" and "the best friend of Soviet athletes."

[Cat man null]

Quote: Undecim

Wow, none of the developers and the military knew that the bookmarking time of the flight mission should be reduced to a minimum

I suspect that it was the military who prepared the report on the results of the use of the Kyrgyz Republic, which lay on Putin's table.

Quote: Undecim

And He got acquainted with the results and saw !!! And then he instructed!

I got acquainted with the report and gave instructions ... and what confuses you, ahem?

Quote: Undecim

I immediately remember the "genius scientist" and "the best friend of Soviet athletes"

Eco has covered you ... cope, it’s worthless to a true intellectual to troll so clumsy

[Old26]

Quote: ROSS 42

I would like to think that these 300 models of modernization do not include any bending of the machine gun barrel or a new bullet under the 7, 62 mm cartridge ..

It is possible that some new cartridges could be included in the list of these three hundred

Quote: ROSS 42

But these 12 samples, which (who? Why? When?) Were considered promising, received funds for development and production I would very much like to see. And then, somehow it turns out ugly - we do not know the names of the heroes, or the names of "enemies of the people" ...

And is this search even necessary for heroes, even for "enemies of the people." It may very well be the same person. And what was previously considered promising but as a result of running-in in an armed conflict has ceased to be so - it is a completely normal situation. On paper and in exercises, everything can be fine, and after running in by force, this or that system can go into the category of unpromising

Quote: ROSS 42

Quote: axiles100682

The one who does nothing is not mistaken.

It's great that you know these common truths. You can't just be put in a "topic". Can you explain the name of those who do-do, and in the end result they receive only experience - the son of difficult mistakes?

In fact, they are called by different names: designers, developers of military equipment, but not "enemies of the people."
We had such a complex "Krechet". Everyone thought that this masterpiece would be unattainable for an adversary for many decades. However, as a result, it turned out that even one of the nuclear warheads in an explosion cannot hit the target because the accuracy as a result turned out to be below the plinth. And what, "enemies of the people"? No, it's just that science hadn't grown to such positioning accuracy.

Quote: Flame

They participate, but to no purpose - they just cut money well for advertising weapons instead of upgrading them. For example, I’ll give them Patriots who missed the shelling of Saudi Arabia from Yemen. And this is not the first time.)))

Did you know that since 2015, Yemenis have fired 16 times with Saudi Arabia with ballistic missiles. And only 8 of them reached the goal?
An example of the latest shelling is not correct at all, because we do not know either the flight parameters, the place from where the launches were made, or how these cruise missiles and drones bypassed the air defense zones.

[Catfish]

Shoigu: Syrian operation allowed for weapons modernization

Otherwise, what was the point of climbing there at all?

[Lapunevsky]

And that's right!