The network is discussing a photo of a fighter with an “upgrade” three-line in Syria

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Not so long ago, at Military Review, the use of a three-line model of the end of the year before last century with the integration of various technological accessories was discussed. It was about the optical sight, night vision system and all kinds of bars, including the Picatinny rail. At the same time, the experts emphasized that today it is more of a "toy" that the owners demonstrate in order to boast of their creative ideas.

The network is discussing a photo of a fighter with an “upgrade” three-line in Syria

Photo: https://t.me/lostarmour




However, practice shows that the famous and unfading Mosin rifle is used not only by those who lead their YouTube channels, where “incredible upgrades are shown weapons". Thus, a photograph is being discussed on the net, the author of which claims to have captured a MTR fighter in the Syrian Arab Republic.

In the photo you can see a three-line, complemented by an optical sight. At the same time, apparently, this is not a trophy at all, but its own military weapon.

If we talk about the operation of such weapons in Russia, then it is limited to the carbine variant. Moreover, they exploit a carbine - a derivative of the Mosin rifle - representatives of non-departmental structures of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. And, for example, in Ukraine at the custody of the Ministry of Defense today there are tens of thousands of three rulers. In Belarus, the "mosinka" was withdrawn from service only in the 2005 year.

In fact, it is difficult to say how much information about the fact that against the background a MTR serviceman is true. But the fact remains: the three-ruler, due to its lethal strength and unpretentiousness in use, continues to be in demand in various conflicts.
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  1. -15
    21 September 2019 09: 34
    We have already passed this. During the "second war in the Gulf," they showed my grandfather, who from the "wick" kara-multuk shot down the AN-64 "Apache".
    1. +4
      21 September 2019 09: 55
      Quote: Nycomed
      We have already passed this. During the "second war in the Gulf," they showed my grandfather, who from the "wick" kara-multuk shot down the AN-64 "Apache".

      Yes, yes, it’s been very PR and on TV as well, but it turned out that the Apache fell due to problems with the engine, and the grandfather spun propaganda. The farmer took to the field in the morning and found there a fallen helicopter and bodies.
      1. +18
        21 September 2019 10: 21
        Quote: Vol4ara
        but it turned out that Apache fell due to engine problems

        Exactly for sure. The remaining helicopters managed to reach their base. 31 helicopters were damaged, and each of them had at least six holes from the rifle and small-caliber zen. artillery.

        Quote: Vol4ara
        The farmer took to the field in the morning and found there a fallen helicopter and bodies.

        Strictly speaking, the "bodies" were captured by soldiers of the Medina division of the Iraqi Republican Guard.
        And the grandfather most likely honestly, like all the neighbors, fired at night on American helicopters. For for the downed one was supposed to reward.
        1. +2
          21 September 2019 14: 34
          I remembered A. Zagortseva "Russian trump cards. Special forces of the third world war." There, too, the Yakut with the three-line worked wonders. There is an audiobook on the Internet, I recommend it. feel
          1. +4
            22 September 2019 12: 28
            Quote: Mavrikiy
            I remembered A. Zagortseva "Russian trump cards. Special forces of the third world war." There, too, the Yakut with the three-line worked wonders. There is an audiobook on the Internet, I recommend it.

            And in our temporary department in 2000, a sniper used a three-line with conventional optics and miracles were not bookish. It is not a weapon that shoots, a man shoots, and as the Caucasian proverb says: "If the heart is made of iron, then a wooden dagger is good."
          2. +1
            22 September 2019 17: 49
            Quote: Mavrikiy
            There, too, they worked wonders with the three-ruler.

            Do not laugh! A good trilinear trunk has long shown itself. It's all about the cartridge! After all, everyone knows that weapons are created under the cartridge, but nothing else! This means that this cartridge has not yet worked out!
            1. +1
              22 September 2019 23: 33
              Quote: Tol100v
              It's all about the cartridge!

              Yes, this cartridge with a rim spoiled the roofs of more than one designer of automatic weapons, because they did not abandon it in time and did not switch to waferless.
              We begin to bend your fingers:
              1. Fedorov
              2. Simonov
              3. Tokarev
              4. Degtyarev
              5. Shpitalnaya with Komarnitsky (they had to come up with a crutch, which for some reason they like to pass off as dignity, with a drum for phasing the cartridge back to the edge - instead of direct feeding)
              6. Kalashnikov
              7. Garanin (this one made a straightforward design feat by inventing a tape for direct feeding of a cartridge with a rim).
      2. +27
        21 September 2019 11: 53
        Quote: Vol4ara
        It turned out that the Apache fell due to problems with the engine, and the grandfather drew propaganda.

        1. According to the results of the Korean War, the Americans recognized the military losses of their aircraft there.
        2. At the same time, their own rescue service proudly reported on the number of rescued pilots.
        3. After dividing the second by the first, it turned out that, on average, they had 4 airplanes! (well, maybe my memory let me down a bit) local !!! laughing
        This is me about how Americans and Israelis recognize their losses.
    2. +11
      21 September 2019 10: 53
      Quote: Nycomed
      which from the "wick" car-multuk shot down the AN-64 "Apache".
      Reply

      Grandfather was with an ordinary Mauser.
      Quote: Vol4ara
      The farmer took to the field in the morning and found there a fallen helicopter and bodies.

      Nothing fell there and there weren’t any bodies; the helicopter landed and remained unharmed.

      1. +5
        21 September 2019 11: 16
        "And they didn't win, they lost, and not in the" sprint ", but in the" point "" ... Something like that ... recourse
    3. 0
      23 September 2019 09: 28
      Apache similar to the executioner
  2. +3
    21 September 2019 09: 34
    The rifle during the Boer War is quite capable of breaking through any APC ,,,
    1. +5
      21 September 2019 10: 08
      Mauser, sung by Bussenar? A lead bullet? Heh.
      1. +5
        21 September 2019 10: 48
        In Afghanistan, it was not Mauser, but the British model.
    2. +10
      21 September 2019 11: 10
      I have a comrade "Afghan", a helicopter on the Mi-24. Two terms, 84-86. To my question about the power of the "drill". He replied, what a "drill", a musket. Muzzle-loading. There is such a "shepherd boy" on the top, at the bottom there are rams, in his hands a staff also wrapped in rags. He doesn't even lift it to his shoulder. Big toe on the trigger (trigger))). Charges with anything, nuts, bolts, trimmings ... After a couple of cases, "a lone figure on a hill" was considered a priority target.
    3. mvg
      +2
      21 September 2019 11: 59
      You are more careful with Louis Boussenard and Captive Daredevil ..
      1. +4
        21 September 2019 12: 28
        Well, why be careful then. These are the writers of our childhood and youth. They, for sure, have not been anywhere in person, in those places that they described so surprisingly. Gustav Aimard, Mine Reed, Henry Ryder Haggard, Louis Boussinard, Jules Verne, Anatoly Rybakov, Rafaelo Sabbatini ... I still have these books on my bookshelf, 50s editions, erased, literally, to holes, therefore, that all my friends and classmates who could not "boast" of such a library read also. There was a time... winked
        1. mvg
          -1
          21 September 2019 12: 33
          Well, I mean that in the novel there was also a "Dutch woman" with a 6-sided barrel .. This is a "monster" wink If it has optics and IR, it’s just Godzila.
          PS: I don’t believe that, having the opportunity to use ORSIS, microwave or SVLK choose Mosin. Moreover, the last reincarnation of Mosin was in 1913, like.
          1. +1
            22 September 2019 09: 49
            can. Especially if we compare the prices of both the rifles themselves and the shots to them. Mosinka is a good rifle. better than she is only Lee Anfield, of those that I saw. but I saw ... I, too, when I chose a rifle, had to choose from three different ones: M1 Garant, M-1891 Carcano under 6,5 mm and FN Fal. I chose M1 and was not mistaken. she suited me more. although not without flaws, and serious ones. all three rifles ate different cartridges from 6,5 * 52 Manliher, 30-06 Springfield 7,62 * 63mm and 308 Vin 7,62 * 51mm. if there were still K-96 and Lee Anfield in our unit, then it would be easier to choose, and so I was tortured. in my situation, I needed a rifle with medium accuracy, but high rate of fire, so the choice fell on the M-1. and so of course Lee Anfield would choose 7.7 * 56mm (we have a rare cartridge here and expensive). otherwise, Lee Anfield is better. firstly it’s convenient to charge, the optics do not interfere with inserting a magazine like on the M-1. In addition, when operating the M-1, you can pinch your fingers with a shutter when inserting a magazine. if a shotgun is caught, the cartridge can be quickly removed from the bolt. Moreover, its magazine is adjacent to the bottom, the optics do not interfere with either removing the cartridge from the chamber or when replacing it. it is much lighter than M-1 and does not have a whim when operating automation. because the bolt .a Mosinka is a good rifle, there is a flaw, the same problem as the M-1, the clip is inserted from the top. or send it one at a time to the barrel as on TOZ-8. if the sniper has a second number. it’s even better when the second one charges, and you shoot, but the second number is not provided for the marskman. all by himself .. (therefore, a self-loading rifle is needed. it was a pity there was no SVD. Rather, they were kept in warehouses, with all the other weapons from the GDR. When the two Germans joined in 1989, they presented all Soviet weapons to the ground forces of Greece, including trucks Urals, BMP-1. Towed Zu-23, ATGM Fagot, riflemen AK and SKS, RPD and DShK, and even to a bunch of anything. But we were forbidden to mention AK or SVD, SKS ... they are in storage, in case war with Turkey.
            1. +1
              22 September 2019 12: 21
              Lee Enfield, the best of all, in my opinion, a store rifle.
              1. 0
                22 September 2019 13: 20
                Here is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55J3aVjw0sc
                it is said that vintoki have the worst accuracy in comparison with Mosinka and Mauser. But the author notes that the rifle is elegant. Personally, I would prefer a hefty and reliable one.
                And where do you get this opinion - is it available, shot?
                1. +1
                  22 September 2019 13: 27
                  A detachable magazine for 10 rounds, a high reload speed, high rate of fire. Yes, and sniper options were long used up to 60 years. And in India they still use it, in the police
            2. KLV
              0
              22 September 2019 17: 31
              It would be quite readable to break the text into paragraphs, and start each sentence with a capital letter, but it’s as if you are wading through thorns. About what was "written on the phone", please do not mention. Respect for other readers - either there or not at all.
              1. -1
                22 September 2019 23: 37
                minus from me .. explain why I won’t understand ... I’ll say for myself I read calmly without straining without wading through the thorns ...
        2. 0
          22 September 2019 08: 13
          Quote: Nycomed
          Well, why be careful. These are the writers of our childhood and youth. They, for sure, were never in person, in those places that were so amazingly described.

          No, about Haggard. You are in vain:
          https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Хаггард,_Генри_Райдер#Южная_Африка

          Yes, and Vern traveled a lot. True, mainly in the Old World and in the United States a couple of times. And Boussenard visited French Guiana.
    4. +5
      21 September 2019 14: 13
      Thanks, laughed.
      Grandfather really has a rarity in his hands - the SMLE Lee-Enfield model of 1916. Cartridge .303 British (7.7x57R). Where he got such ammunition. I probably twisted it myself.
      1. mvg
        +4
        21 September 2019 18: 54
        Youth, what to take from them? Only URA SAM ...
  3. +15
    21 September 2019 09: 36
    What is the difference which rifle, the main thing is that the arrow suits.
    1. +3
      21 September 2019 10: 08
      Quote: Pivot
      What is the difference which rifle, the main thing is that the arrow suits.

      I love KO-44, but the Mauser 98k is also beautiful.
      1. +4
        21 September 2019 10: 23
        So Otozh, if a fighter with an old rifle performs the task, then what difference does it make in what year.
        1. +5
          21 September 2019 10: 49
          if a fighter with an old rifle is completing a mission


          Do not make me laugh. This fighter just poses with a trophy, if it really is a "fighter". The East is full of these trophies. And not from a good life - just no one will give anything else. There, and a kerosene lamp is a value in the family. Therefore, a person keeps it as a necessary thing in the household. I had a chance to hold in my hands both carbines of 1911 and English rifles of the 39th, and cartridges of the same years. Here are the cartridges, already rubbish.
          1. +1
            22 September 2019 22: 12
            This fighter is just posing with a trophy.

            Apparently it is.
            In appearance, the usual three-ruler in the sniper version. And the optics of PU or PB ...
            Some kind of "upgrade" is not even close. It's good that the author of the article put the word "upgrade" in quotes
            1. +1
              23 September 2019 10: 42
              In appearance, the usual three-ruler in the sniper version

              Such rarities lay in every room of the module. They’ll bring it for the sake of interest, but you won’t bring it to the Union through customs. So this motley stuff accumulated. Here is the English of the 39th year. Interestingly, the powder in the cartridge is not grains, but straws
              1. +1
                23 September 2019 11: 36
                Such rarities lay in every room of the module.

                Somewhere I even envy the good ..... Rather, it’s not so ... (there is no envy) - I would be glad at one time to encounter such a variety. But how it happened so happened.
                About gunpowder: how long is the straw? Millimeter? More? Or straight straw long?
                1. +1
                  23 September 2019 11: 54
                  About gunpowder: how long is the straw? Millimeter? More? Or straight straw long?


                  Yellowish, similar to - you need to pull out the rubber bands from the usual elastic from the pants lol , eg. In a word, a bundle of straw in a sleeve. The length of the sleeve to the bullet. We disassembled this - you put the cartridge into the hole in the bed frame by a bullet, gently rock and turn. The dulce is expanded and the bullet can be pulled out easily. Do not tell children !!! And do not disassemble it yourself - the old bullets were with a soft shell and sometimes crumpled very easily, (which, figs, it can be explosive). In general, not a fan of this.
                  1. +1
                    23 September 2019 16: 44
                    Thanks for the info :)
                    1. +1
                      23 September 2019 20: 09
                      hi It's my pleasure. He himself "recalled" about the past.
    2. 0
      21 September 2019 11: 55
      Quote: Pivot
      What is the difference which rifle, the main thing is that the arrow suits.

      Not so much an arrow as a "customer" arrow!
      1. 0
        21 September 2019 19: 00
        Everything will suit the client ...
  4. +6
    21 September 2019 09: 38
    But the fact remains: the three-ruler, due to its lethal strength and unpretentiousness in use, continues to be in demand in various conflicts.
    Made forever!
    1. +8
      21 September 2019 10: 12
      Quote: aszzz888
      Made for ever

      A masterpiece, we still have a "Mosinka" produced in 1898 at our house, it is heavy for hunting (faceted barrel) and long, but in working order, just a rarity of the 19th century.
    2. +4
      21 September 2019 10: 15
      Moreover, they exploit a carbine - a derivative of the Mosin rifle - representatives of non-departmental structures of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

      Antiresno? Ento, what kind of representatives of the extra-departmental structures of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia? laughing
      Eh "spetsialists" !!!
      In service with the staff units of the Russian Guard of Russia and the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia are several types of sniper weapons created on the basis of the famous Mosinki! Moreover, in all cases, the barrel and the bed with the butt change, so that all rifle variants (infantry, dragoons, Cossacks and carbines) are upgraded!
      Regards, Kote !!!
      1. +1
        21 September 2019 10: 49
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        Antiresno? Ento, what kind of representatives of the extra-departmental structures of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia?

        I don’t know how it is now, but before the "fly swatter" were called. Blue uniform, buttonholes, as in the Army before 1943 (before the introduction of shoulder straps)
  5. +9
    21 September 2019 09: 38
    Well, an optical sight is not a godsend what an outlandish upgrade. You won’t surprise anyone from pre-war times. I expected more: some kind of laser designator, grenade launcher, tactical flashlight, etc. .. And this is a standard sniper of the Second World War. sad
    1. +3
      21 September 2019 09: 54
      Quote: Sergey Mikhailovich Karasev
      I expected more: some kind of laser designator, grenade launcher, tactical flashlight, etc.

      Yeah .. right ... why should the sniper disguise? I got up to its full height and watered ..
      1. +3
        21 September 2019 09: 56
        There is no hint in the title of the article that the fighter is a sniper.
        1. +5
          21 September 2019 09: 58
          Quote: Sergey Mikhailovich Karasev
          There is no hint in the title of the article that the fighter is a sniper.

          It’s not difficult to guess where a weapon of this kind is used .., certainly not at the attack
          1. +3
            21 September 2019 10: 32
            Quote: dvina71
            It’s not difficult to guess where a weapon of this kind is used .., certainly not at the attack

            In general, as far as I have heard, the commander of the 24th separate mine once introduced this type of weapon to the "alphas". division. Who are "tulips". A fan of weapons. But I’m never a sniper by job.
            They shot at someone there, Alfovians from their cool foreign women, a colonel-artilleryman from a mosquito with an old optical sight. I don’t know who won, but the specialists respected the rifle.
            And yes, there was no sense in disguising itself there.
    2. +5
      21 September 2019 10: 01
      It is used as a sniper weapon and not an assault weapon, what kind of grenade launcher and flashlight?
      1. +1
        21 September 2019 15: 15
        Well, about the grenade launcher and the flashlight, I was just joking.
    3. +4
      21 September 2019 11: 16
      Quote: Sergey Mikhailovich Karasev
      Well, an optical sight is not a godsend what an outlandish upgrade.
      I will say more - it cut
      In the photo you can see a three-line, complemented by an optical sight.
      The author is not aware that sniper mosquitoes were mass-produced. Standard rifles with high accuracy were selected, an optical sight and a shutter with an elongated curved handle were installed.
    4. +2
      22 September 2019 04: 51
      I will reveal a terrible secret to you about the laser target designator. Only Щщщщщ. It is invisible by day from the word at all ... and it is dark at night and where it is also invisible to point it ... and in the fog it is clearly visible where the ray comes from. You are just watching cartoons and advertising pictures from games.
  6. 0
    21 September 2019 09: 40
    Bullet fool, bayonet well done))))
    1. +2
      21 September 2019 19: 22
      Somehow you are intolerant in your statements in relation to this ... pool.
      And if she sues you? She’s so ... a bullet.
      Now we need to say a woman with alternative thinking. lol
      1. 0
        22 September 2019 11: 20
        On this site, any statement is fraught with consequences, be careful)))
  7. +6
    21 September 2019 09: 42
    Great weapon.

    In certain conditions, SVD is more effective, although the cartridge is the same.

    Here the question is more likely saved, years do not spare even metal
    1. +1
      21 September 2019 10: 05
      Quote: COLONELTANK
      Here the question is more likely saved, years do not spare even metal

      If stored in a barn or caches, then yes, but if everything is in order on the carpet above the bunk, shoot for health.
      1. mvg
        +3
        21 September 2019 12: 06
        and if on the carpet over the bunk

        Do you have "rejuvenating apples" growing there? Metal fatigue occurs not only under the action of cyclic loads, but also simply over time. 100+ years is a lot.
        1. 0
          22 September 2019 08: 21
          Quote: mvg
          and if on the carpet over the bunk

          Do you have "rejuvenating apples" growing there? Metal fatigue occurs not only under the action of cyclic loads, but also simply over time. 100+ years is a lot.

          Anything but metal fatigue. "Fatigue" is precisely from cyclical:
          Fatigue of Metals - the progressive destruction of metals subjected to cyclically repeated exposure to loads.
    2. +4
      21 September 2019 19: 31
      In warehouses there are still completely zero. From the factory to the warehouse.
      In the early 2000s. At VOHR 5 from a warehouse, several boxes of long Mosinoks were seized. We decided that VOKhRu and Naganov enough.
      "Imperial Tula Arms Factory" 1891. Everything was original there. Including boxes. And everything was not worn out. They were taken out of their packaging 1 time in 1908, when the sights were changed.
  8. +2
    21 September 2019 09: 44
    VM MP-UOS is a Ukrainian version of the Mosinka modernization. In 2018, this sniper rifle was included in the list of weapons offered for export by the state-owned company Spetstechnoexport as VM2GS.
  9. KCA
    +6
    21 September 2019 09: 50
    If the weapon is made with high quality, it doesn’t matter what year it is, hunting rifles, for example, 1900 years and older, are very much appreciated, for example, Singer or Sauer, well this is simple, but there are also piece rifles
    1. -1
      21 September 2019 10: 10
      Of course there are Holland & Holland and James Perde, for example. But they stand ... crying
      1. KCA
        +1
        21 September 2019 10: 43
        "Cards, money, two barrels", we remember and love, Singer and Sauer father's were estimated somewhere from 300 to 500 thousand for the trunks, of course, no one began to sell, the brother issued for himself, and he also has trunks, from uncles remained, I don't remember the manufacturer, they were estimated at 1,5 million rubles, right away, on the fly, but he will not sell them either
    2. 0
      21 September 2019 11: 07
      Maybe not Singer but Zimson?
    3. +3
      21 September 2019 11: 22
      My grandfather had a 20-gauge Sauer. He did not say anything bad about this weapon, but he did not extol it either. The gun is like a gun. No worse and no better than ours. True, the engraving was very good. beautiful!
  10. +5
    21 September 2019 09: 56
    If we talk about the operation of such weapons in Russia, then it is limited to the carbine variant. And they exploit a carbine - a derivative of the Mosin rifle
    For hunting, I still prefer the KO-44 carbine, I don’t have a heart for the remakes, I don’t feel them, but KO took it in bunches and pressed his cheek, "my dear"!
  11. +13
    21 September 2019 09: 57
    Great rifle. Apparently, I got caught with a good MOA, and took root. Sniper self-loading-rate is not needed. Give him accuracy. laughing
    1. 0
      22 September 2019 04: 56
      Why is this frightened? Have you ever read "the actions of a sniper as part of a unit? The tasks of a sniper are different and the weapon should be different and the training is different and the experience is different, and even more so the density of sniper fire is different
      1. 0
        22 September 2019 08: 09
        Quote: tracer
        Why is this frightened? Have you ever read "the actions of a sniper as part of a unit? The tasks of a sniper are different and the weapon should be different and the training is different and the experience is different, and even more so the density of sniper fire is different

        These are other snipers. And they should have different weapons. In the slang of striped ears, these are "mark-masters" - well-aimed arrows in units, attacking in chains, etc.
        1. 0
          22 September 2019 12: 27
          That's when you will serve in the striped army and then you will be at least a "Mark Master" at least twice a Marksman. And in the Russian army it is a sniper.
  12. +1
    21 September 2019 09: 59
    Who would argue! The weapon is truly legendary! Same as Mauser and Lee Enfield. This is for centuries!
  13. +1
    21 September 2019 09: 59
    A good trophy was taken away, apparently
  14. +3
    21 September 2019 10: 57
    And what’s wrong with that, a rifle is a rifle, the barmalei are still running around with Lee-Enfield.
    Small arms are a pretty conservative thing))
  15. +2
    21 September 2019 11: 12
    It seems that bolt-action rifles, due to their simplicity, reliability and power, will be used all over the world for a very long time. Indeed, as it was written here, "Mosinka", Mauser 98 and Lee-Enfield No. 4 are for centuries.
  16. +4
    21 September 2019 11: 13
    Hah, you’re talking about a mosquito. Yes, in the warehouses of PPSh still in oil were German pulimets from the Second World War. Everything is stored carefully and is waiting in the wings.
    1. 0
      22 September 2019 12: 39
      Quote: Sarduor
      Yes, in the warehouses of PPSh still in oil were German pulimets from the Second World War. Everything is stored carefully and is waiting in the wings.

      That's right, as a confirmation: https://riafan.ru/1144864 read, interesting.
    2. -2
      22 September 2019 12: 41
      To be honest, in urban combat it is not yet known who is better than Kalash or "Dad". However, it is known ... "dad" rules.
  17. +3
    21 September 2019 11: 20
    No wonder good weapons live long.
  18. +1
    21 September 2019 11: 45
    The network is discussing a photo of a fighter with an “upgrade” three-line in Syria

    For that region, the most suitable option, a three-ruler, is much higher and more effective to use than many other modern rifles, its value is the fact that when dirt or sand gets in, it continues to work, and the firing range is much higher than that of others and in those sandy conditions, an indispensable instance.
  19. +1
    21 September 2019 12: 10
    If the barrel is not "shot" then the optimal bolt is up to 600 meters. If the cartridge is special, then up to 1000 is possible, but it depends on experience. More precisely SVD.
    1. -1
      22 September 2019 04: 57
      I would say a lot more but not at all.
      1. 0
        22 September 2019 10: 30
        Strange affirmation. Can you explain?
        1. 0
          22 September 2019 12: 38
          Accuracy depends on the shooter, and accuracy depends on the rifle in this particular case. And of course for many it is "strange".
          1. 0
            22 September 2019 12: 42
            And how did you determine from the photo how accurately the shooter can shoot?
  20. +11
    21 September 2019 12: 19
    Comparison of Mosin rifle, AK-47 and M-16

    M16 - More difficult to manufacture than some aircraft.
    AK-47 - Used by countries that do not have money for airplanes.
    Mosin Rifle - Aircraft were shot down from it.

    M16 - The grenade launcher is heavy, but can put a grenade in the window for 200 meters.
    AK-47 - If anything, the grenade from the grenade launcher can be thrown into the window with your hand.
    Mosin Rifle - Which Grenade? Hit through the wall, the cartridge pierces almost a meter of brick.

    M16 - Makes a small hole, neatly in accordance with the Geneva Convention.
    AK-47 - Makes a big hole, sometimes tears off limbs, does not comply with the Geneva Convention.
    Mosin Rifle - One of the reasons for the creation of the Geneva Convention.

    M16 - Weapons of defense.
    AK-47 - Weapons of attack.
    Mosin Rifle - Weapon of Victory !!!
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    2. +3
      21 September 2019 16: 01
      An old button accordion, but it’s still nice to read, would have spat, but for some reason I’m not allowed hi
      1. 0
        22 September 2019 18: 09
        update your PC software.
    3. 0
      22 September 2019 13: 41
      Firstly, the AK-47 is only in the fantasies of the Americans.
      Secondly, for some reason, her bullet makes such dire consequences. With the AK-74 did not accidentally beguiled?
      And finally, the Mosin rifle has nothing to do with the Geneva Convention. Change the bayonet to a normal one or remove it completely and no problems. What does the rifle have to do with it?
  21. +2
    21 September 2019 13: 11
    older models cannot withstand the long-term use of modern ammunition. I will not argue about the mosquito, but one P38 and Luger "killed" in this way. Three years went to the shooting range, everything seemed to be shot well, but then the shutter destruction went ....
    Years take their toll
    1. +3
      21 September 2019 16: 03
      In warehouses, you can still find samples of even pre-war production in oil.
      1. 0
        22 September 2019 11: 42
        Sure? laughing But the hunters say - there are practically no decent copies left. In order to empty the warehouses during the time of Serdyukov, all the old stuff was destroyed, about a lemon trunks per year only in the Vyatka Polyana.
        1. +1
          22 September 2019 12: 12
          They say in Moscow hens are milked laughing No matter how zealous the traitors at the top try to destroy what remains of the EMPIRE, our natural gouging, indifference and love for the MOTHERLAND, all the same, as long as MORE can resist this. So something else remains. Where exactly is left, I won’t tell you, or maybe you are also one of those same ones who are at the top.
          1. 0
            23 September 2019 09: 41
            A long time ago I switched exclusively to imported weapons, due to the negative experience of owning and using domestic weapons. wink
            So do not be afraid, these ancient karamultuki (like modern domestic curved crafts) are all yours. fellow
            1. 0
              23 September 2019 12: 18
              To be completely honest, I don’t care at all how you shoot there
    2. 0
      22 September 2019 18: 50
      Quote: Mark
      older models cannot withstand the long-term use of modern ammunition. I will not argue about the mosquito, but one P38 and Luger "killed" in this way. Three years went to the shooting range, everything seemed to be shot well, but then the shutter destruction went ....
      Years take their toll

      It was not years that took its toll, but the higher energy of modern gunpowders. In the same way, K96 is killed by modern cartridges 7,62x25.
  22. 0
    21 September 2019 13: 29
    The sight is PU, and the paddle itself looks like a trophy confiscated from the barmaley .. not the kind of war now to use a propeller with such a long magazine loading and even without a bayonet it is very poorly balanced. Years of training or a clear need to use a "mosinka" are needed ..
  23. 0
    21 September 2019 13: 30
    This is a photograph of a soldier Vasily Tyorkin: "A three-line rifle on a canvas belt ...". "Who shot, where did he go?"
  24. +2
    21 September 2019 14: 05
    At the same time, apparently, this is not a trophy at all, but its own military weapon.

    Why not? Reliable rifle. And if the barrel is also replaced by a modern, high-precision, made of good weapon steel, then this rifle will not yield to Western models. The only minus is the location of the reload handle, which can not be fixed in any way.
    PS. I shot from Mosi with a good, for her, native barrel - the calibrator showed 7,64-7,65. The normal accuracy of 500 meters (for me), and the owner and 700 perfectly shot.
  25. 0
    21 September 2019 14: 06
    Mosinka will steer for a long time. Take the OTs-48K rifle. As it was done from the warehouses, they took Mosin rifles, removed the butt. The OC-48K sniper rifle uses a barrel, a receiver with a bolt and a magazine from a rifle arr. 1891/30, installed in a new wooden box in a bullpup layout.
  26. +3
    21 September 2019 14: 44
    Oh, to create a modern replacement for her - just as accurate, reliable, simple and cheap.
    1. +3
      21 September 2019 15: 57
      I think this is from the realm of fiction, accurate, reliable, simple and, most importantly, CHEAPEST weapons, hopelessly outdated in our time. It does not meet modern challenges and tasks. Here is some terribly expensive shit, the very thing that is now needed. bully
  27. +3
    21 September 2019 14: 55
    And why did someone suddenly decide that in the photo there is a "Three-line" with an upgrade? Where is the "upgrade"? Just a normal "standard" sniper rifle. The rifle itself is good enough, but in the hands of a professional it is a painful weapon. And in spetsnaz, each soldier chooses a barrel according to his "taste". Just something I can't believe that the photo was taken in Syria.
    1. +5
      21 September 2019 20: 23
      It's true. About 10 years ago, at our nuclear power plant, exercises were held to increase vigilance
      e with the participation of guest performers from Moscow. I don’t know what kind of guys (and probably no one knows them apart from them and the authorities), but the guys are really cool.
      In short, the Security Service and the security were announced that a group of terrorists (saboteurs, bandits should underline) would try to seize the station. In short, they put everything on ears and rumored to have allowed the fire to be destroyed.
      Did not help. In 20 minutes they "captured" the remote control. Nobody knows how they went.
      Then there was a mass of all kinds of events, with window dressing, with shooting from an armored personnel carrier, with jumps and tweaks.
      Now I come to the point. One of the armored personnel carriers got jammed with a machine gun. They started fixing it in the police yard, that is, in fact, in our yard. "Big Brothers" from Moscow in civilian clothes, but with trunks on their belts decided to help them. And my youngest and I were just walking. He was 6 years old then.
      We approached the armored personnel carriers themselves. And the kinder suddenly speaks. "Look at Uncle TT" Uncle was already wedged like that machine gun .. The daddy's bag doesn't reach his waist, but a connoisseur. The second has a PM, but a holster like a RAM from an NGO of special materials in a clip, but "mirrored", under the left hand. I ask. Left-handed or do you train specifically for the left? Then they all began to look at us strangely. This one answers Specially. And under the right what? Beretta 92. Kinder. And I also have one! He has a real airsoft Beretta. (by the way, she is still alive, the simplest version, without batteries). And they bought it because all sorts of ball arrows break at times, and it's cheaper to buy a normal one time than buying a new Chinese one every week.
      In general, the tin turned out. Then they explained that the child has his favorite picture books about weapons, and we live in this house. And at first the men were really shocked. They could not figure out the situation.
      1. +1
        21 September 2019 21: 03
        Good story smile You can be proud of a guy. I also taught my trunks to my trunks from childhood, now he is teaching me. hi
  28. +4
    21 September 2019 15: 49
    Yes, it’s a normal story, it happened in both Afghanistan and Taj, by the way, if you put your hands straight from a mosquito you can completely make a modern device with a console sign on the trunk, just a little more work out the bed. Well, now all of these bourgeois manlicheurs and domestic Orsises are certainly not bad, but here's the cost, and given the multiplicity of the compensation for a damaged or missing ... trunk, few of the companies want to hang such a mat. And the bosses give out cartridges for these barrels, as he tears them from the heart, you won’t especially train and fight. And so, it’s quite a normal sniper with a penny cost and a bunch of rounds. There is really another option for altering the SVD from self-loading to an ordinary store, but if the authorities find out, they can also bring it under the article. And nobody needs this. So a mosquito with small finishing touches such as a tactical silencer is still currently steering itself.
  29. +2
    21 September 2019 17: 57
    I know for sure that in both Chechen companies both sides used the three-line. Chechens praised her. Many civilian fighters purchased three under license. I see no problems in its use. Although it seemed to me not comfortable. But used to AK. IMHO
  30. +2
    21 September 2019 18: 15
    I look spoiled you there, the mosquito is already old! On bezryby and karamultuk will go like MG 42 !. The rifle gives rise to power! The mosquitoes have already given birth .. To us and toz 8 as Mauser 98K. Everything is relative. A man with a gun is already a quantity, but everywhere has its own characteristics. I envy the Yankees, they still have easier things with this business, and the constitution allows it. Attitude to weapons is a marker of power, and the development of self-awareness of the people.
    1. +1
      22 September 2019 12: 17
      EXACTLY, neither add nor decrease drinks
  31. +2
    21 September 2019 18: 45
    If you look at the competition of snipers, it often flashes, then together with modern samples. The machine is reliable, and for every instrument, as elsewhere, you need a head and properly sharpened hands!
    1. 0
      22 September 2019 05: 03
      Competitions of fans can and somehow look, sniper competitions you will not see due to the specifics of special services. And special services know what to use when and where. And that’s hardly Mosin’s rifle. I assure you.
  32. 0
    22 September 2019 05: 06
    In the photo, a regular Mosin sniper rifle. What kind of picatini is this standard PU on Kochetov's brackets.
  33. 0
    22 September 2019 18: 22
    And yet the great man and inventor Mosin. And not expensive, but serious. She has been working for more than a hundred years. "If only people would work like this" dream of a liberalof. hi
  34. 0
    23 September 2019 01: 13
    I have been watching this American vet for a long time about his reviews on weapons. An amateur without optics puts from a three-ruler into a target from 150 meters. Plus she shoots NATO .308. Praises the rifle. It’s worth a penny, it shoots for sure.
  35. 0
    23 September 2019 01: 30
    On the fish and cancer. Weapons capable of hitting the sight but you can always use ammunition and people able to wield it. The main detail of any weapon is the head of its owner, as Dzyuba said, the hero of the movie "Two Comrades Served"
  36. 0
    23 September 2019 11: 06
    In fact, it is difficult to say how much information about the fact that against the background a MTR soldier is true.))) The Internet is in your hands.