In the United States assembled the first stage of the launch vehicle for flights to the moon

In the United States, the assembly of the first stage of a superheavy launch vehicle designed to launch in the 2024 year to the moon of the Orion manned spacecraft was completed. It is reported by the American Space Agency (NASA).

According to the report, NASA engineers completed the assembly and connection of all five sections of the first stage of the superheavy SLS launcher. The latest at the NASA assembly plant in New Orleans, the engine section was connected to the 65 meter first stage. The next step is the installation of four RS-25 engines, it will take about two months.

NASA reached its first historic milestone by completing the assembly of the first stage of the SLS, which is the most powerful rocket in the world. Now, to complete the final assembly of the stage, NASA will install four RS-25 engines on it and will conduct the final integrated test of avionics and power plant. This is an exciting time when we first complete the creation of the first stage, which will make it possible to send the mission of "Artemis" to the moon

said Julie Bassler, SLS stage assembly manager.

The final readiness of the first stage is expected in December this year, after which the stage of its testing will begin, which will take several months.

SLS (Space Launch System) is an American superheavy launch vehicle developed by NASA to launch manned missions to the moon and Mars. In the basic version, it will be able to launch 95 tons of cargo into orbit, and in the future it is planned to increase its carrying capacity to 130 tons.

Comments

[Nycomed]

Are they preparing a "fake" flight again?

[ASG7]

No, not "fake", the old one was removed from the shuttle, washed, painted.

[Civil]

Quote: Nycomed

Are they preparing a "fake" flight again?

Of course, America doesn’t exist at all, it's reptilians with Nubiro from the State Department broadcast on TV.

Rogozin also promised a flight to the moon. How to finish the trampoline.

[Mestny]

Oh, the first one went.
Do you have something there - a special jumper soldered on the theme of space?

[Vladimir16]

Quote: Mestny

Do you have something there - a special jumper soldered on the theme of space?

There, besides the jumper of this very one, there is nothing more.

[AVA77]

They don’t have a jumper, they have a jumper.

[Lipchanin]

Another question interests me, on which engines will fly?

[FenH]

Quote: Lipchanin

Another question interests me, on which engines will fly?

The article says:
NASA will install four RS-25 engines on it

[Lipchanin]

Quote: FenH

NASA will install four RS-25 engines on it

Yes, they recently wrote that they are not ready yet

[FenH]

Quote: Lipchanin

RS-25 engine

http://sinp.msu.ru/ru/post/20932
It seems they are already testing

[Lipchanin]

Quote: FenH

It seems they are already testing

Yes, and you do not know who to believe, some write one thing, the other another.
We will see. But I don’t believe that they are doing so well there

[FenH]

Quote: Lipchanin

Quote: FenH

It seems they are already testing

Yes, and you do not know who to believe, some write one thing, the other another.
We will see. But I don’t believe that they are doing so well there

Upgrade old engines, all new, well-forgotten old

[Lipchanin]

Quote: FenH

Upgrade old engines, all new, well-forgotten old

Then why didn’t they do it before, but bought from us?

[FenH]

Quote: Lipchanin

Quote: FenH

Upgrade old engines, all new, well-forgotten old

Then why didn’t they do it before, but bought from us?

They were installed on shuttles (3 pieces), kerosene is seen to be cheaper than hydrogen, so they flew on our

[Lipchanin]

Well, not to the same extent. The engine is not a cheap thing

[FenH]

Quote: Lipchanin

Well, not to the same extent. The engine is not a cheap thing

their engines are more expensive

[Lipchanin]

Quote: FenH

their road engines

Yes, let them do what they want. They know better beyond the puddle

[Blackmokona]

therefore

NPO Energomash sold Russian rocket engines RD-180 to the US for half the cost of their production, Sergei Ryabukhin, an auditor of the RF Accounts Chamber (JV), told reporters that the JV had come to this conclusion after checking the activities of the research and production association.

Read more at RBC:
https://www.rbc.ru/society/11/05/2011/5703e7389a79473c0df1de2e

[FenH]

Quote: BlackMokona

JSC NPO Energomash sold Russian RD-180 rocket engines to the USA for half the cost of their production

Your news is 10 years old, and given
NPO Energomash named after academician Glushko began working with Pratt & Whitney since October 1992 year when the "Joint Marketing and Technology Licensing Agreement" was signed with United Technologies Corporation and Pratt & Whitney.
no wonder

[Blackmokona]

Well, in the 90 years they signed a fun contract and still enjoy themselves at the expense of the budget of the Russian Federation

[FenH]

Quote: BlackMokona

Well, in the 90 years they signed a fun contract and still enjoy themselves at the expense of the budget of the Russian Federation

It’s more correct to say that they are not used, but used. Look at the dollar 10 years ago and now. The price of the engines did not fall

[Blackmokona]

Oh, this ruble exchange rate, all the same all the metals, energy and so on are at world prices. Only labor resources can be saved this way, but now they’re no longer hungry 90, so it’s absolutely impossible not to pay salaries

[FenH]

Quote: BlackMokona

Oh, this ruble exchange rate, all the same all the metals, energy and so on are at world prices. Only labor resources can be saved this way, but now they’re no longer hungry 90, so it’s absolutely impossible not to pay salaries

Dissemble
https://ria.ru/20161014/1479209230.html
According to the latest news, otherwise yours have become dusty for 10 years

[Blackmokona]

Well, considering what kind of "effective" managers and patient workers we have. Maybe you don't have to pay

[FenH]

Quote: BlackMokona

Well, considering what kind of "effective" managers and patient workers we have. Maybe you don't have to pay

https://ria.ru/20161014/1479209230.html
Do not dissemble, leave your old news to historians

[Blackmokona]

Net profit CAN make up, or maybe not make up. Understand the trick of your news? Or maybe a loss. Immediately not in fact

[Letun]

Quote: BlackMokona

Well, considering what kind of "effective" managers and patient workers we have. Maybe you don't have to pay

Have you ever talked to a worker who, he thinks, has been paid less than necessary? Although you can see right away, did not communicate

[maden.usmanow]

What to do?
Yeltsin did not care about space.
And how do engineers live?

The Americans supported the Russian space industry in the 90s.

[sabakina]

Sergei I wonder if they will fly immediately in 2024 or after two unsuccessful launches, as last time?

[Lipchanin]

Vyacheslav
Yes, the demon knows them. I'm already confused in their statements ...

[Blackmokona]

The first launch of Saturn-5 was successful and the second partially successful (the ship returned successfully). Thus, no problems were expected.

[snake]

Quote: Lipchanin

But I don’t believe that they are doing so well there

Everything is bad there with them.

[slipped]

Quote: serpent

Everything is bad there with them.

"NASA's acting assistant administrator for manned programs, Kenneth Bowersox, questioned the feasibility of plans for the landing of American astronauts on the moon in 2024. According to The Washington Post, a spokesman for the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) made a statement on Wednesday at a hearing in one of the subcommittees of the Committee on Science, Space and Technology of the US House of Representatives. "

https://tass.ru/kosmos/6901990

[snake]

Kenneth Bowersox doubts the date of the landing, but not the possibility of making it. In about a year, the first stage of the moon landing program should start. Wait and see.

[slipped]

Quote: serpent

Wait and see.

Another flag poke. Money down the drain.

[snake]

Quote: slipped

Another flag poke. Money down the drain.

Well, of course. Better stupidly to pull apart in pockets, as in Roscosmos, right?

[freejack]

Money to the wind

Well yes. Let them burn their loot. Space needs lots of dough. let everyone go there. And ours will pay a couple more billion. $ To bring our liberoids there with a one-way ticket!

[Vadim237]

They are ready and for a long time

[Errr]

Quote: Lipchanin

Quote: FenH

NASA will install four RS-25 engines on it

Yes, they recently wrote that they are not ready yet

Everything new on SLS is old well forgotten. There were three RS-25s on each Space Shuttle orbital rocket plane, and the solid-fuel boosters of the new American super-heavy rocket were creatively redesigned, with a very increased thrust (2 x 1631,5 tf versus 2 x 1300 tf) boosters of the same Shuttle ... True, the RS-25 of the cruise ship operated on monomethylhydrazine-amyl fuel steam, while at the SLS they will be hydrogen-oxygen.

[Blackmokona]

RS and the shuttle were hydrogen

[Errr]

Great fun.))) The monomethylhydrazine-amyl fuel pair was used on the Shuttles in the OMS orbital maneuvering system, and not in the RS-25.

[Do not care]

Quote: Lipchanin

Quote: FenH

NASA will install four RS-25 engines on it

Yes, they recently wrote that they are not ready yet

These engines have been ready for 40 years. The shuttle flew on them.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Lipchanin

Another question interests me, on which engines will fly?

Yes, even on ours, if only all these "Yankes-Democrats" fled to the moon. The earth will be cleaner. I'm ready to invest.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Piramidon

"Democrats" faded to the moon.

And faster

[GibSoN]

Yes, even on ours, if only all these "Yankes-Democrats" fled to the moon. The earth will be cleaner. I'm ready to invest. laughing

Do you live in the USA? Does ZP Trump pay you? Although .. apparently ZP you are completely different people pay.

[Piramidon]

Quote: GibSoN

Do you live in the USA? Does ZP Trump pay you? Although .. apparently ZP you are completely different people pay.

Young man, what are you doing here? Have a snack before commenting. I’m not paid a salary, but a pension from the Moscow Region, but I live in the glorious city of Vologda.

[RUSS]

Quote: Nycomed

Are they preparing a "fake" flight again?

Everyone, absolutely all the experts in the world know and will prove to you that the Americans were on the moon, including in the Russian Federal Space Agency.

[Nycomed]

What do you think of the opinion of the most "progressive part of humanity"? She, well, this, the most "progressive part of" you "at once" will prove that the Americans WERE NOT on the Moon! And they will give undeniable arguments from the "works" of the stockbroker Marx, Old Krupsky-Armand, "father" and "best friend" of everything that could be "father" and "best friend". What are your arguments? That's right: THERE ARE NO! And it can't be, a priori! And all the "experts of the world" ... with their proofs can go through the forest ... Let, for a start, read "A short course in the history of the CPSU (b)", then, at least, the conversation can start ...

[snake]

Quote: Nycomed

Are they preparing a "fake" flight again?

You can't forbid to "rot" beautifully.
FEDOR, wake up - the Yankees are getting impudent!

[Mik1701]

"Trampoline" or Breakthrough? Or a breakthrough ,, trampoline ,,?

[Mestny]

The gap.
It is known that the oppositionErov and fighters with the regime.
Beware.

[Nycomed]

And why, already in the trampoline "hole"? I didn't know anything ...

[Vadim237]

The rupture of our trampoline is for sure - since ours will fly no earlier than the year 2035, Rogozin promises in the 28th - but we know Roscosmos - a six-year shift in terms of a minimum. And by this time the whole leadership will change and Rogozin will retire as well will forget everything that he promised and said.

[NF68]

Albeit slowly, but the Americans are moving towards the intended goal.

[Mestny]

So everything is so - slowly, but moving forward. And ours too.

[Vladimir16]

Where are they going?
How many years fly on Russian rockets?
If ours could not fly and used other people's ships as much as the stink would be here.
But no. Everything is bad with us, and the Americans are advancing.
They are advancing through the forest and admirers move there too.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: NF68

Albeit slowly, but the Americans are moving towards the intended goal.

Just wanted to understand where they divided Saturn 5? They already had an extra-heavy rocket, back in the late 60s. And it was created in 5 years, in my opinion. And practically without tests she threw several missions to the moon. It is in the museum. Why make a new one?

[sabakina]

The tests were. Unsuccessful. How were they not afraid to fly after them?

[Edik]

Quote: sabakina

The tests were. Unsuccessful. How were they not afraid to fly after them?

It’s clear how they were afraid that we would get ahead of them. Satellite, man ...

[Simargl]

Quote: sabakina

The tests were. Unsuccessful. How were they not afraid to fly after them?

Who is not successful?
Unlike H-1, they conducted a full test cycle, which means they tested both the complete modules and individually, unlike H-1.

[voyaka uh]

"And with practically no trials, I threw several missions to the moon." ////
----
There was a full test cycle. And "jumps". And access to Earth's orbit.
Only after that did lunar orbit launches begin.
There were 2 rockets left in museums. Do not take them out of there?

[Roman070280]

At the end of the 60s, we also had dofig ... as in the late 80s ..
We get energy from the museum with Buran ..))

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Roman070280

At the end of the 60s, we also had dofig ... as in the late 80s ..
We get energy from the museum with Buran ..))

But they did not have Gorbachev. With Yeltsin.

[bk316]

But they did not have Gorbachev. With Yeltsin.

For now there is a trump
so .... in the fall consider

[Do not care]

Trump is still normal. But Bush cost America $ 7 trillion and Obama $ 5T

[GibSoN]

But they did not have Gorbachev. With Yeltsin.

Yah?! Learn the history of Detroit, for example .. Generally study the history .. How to ... lure people in the Russian Federation just did the same in the USA. Only we had a smaller scale. Or do you really believe that only in Russia under Gorbachev-Yeltsin was everything sad? In those dashing 90s, most of the World, had many problems.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: GibSoN

Yah?! Learn the history of Detroit, for example .. Generally study the history .. How to ... lure people in the Russian Federation just did the same in the USA. Only we had a smaller scale. Or do you really believe that only in Russia under Gorbachev-Yeltsin was everything sad? In those dashing 90s, most of the World, had many problems.

What do I need their problems? Before my very eyes the industry of the great POWER was crumbling! And then the POWER itself! After all, they remained on the edge of the abyss ... But they lost a huge part of their space potential (among many others). US lost California and Texas?
Florida and Louisiana split off? The Great Plains Indians have begun the war of independence? But something similar happened in the USSR.

[Blackmokona]

Because the new is better and cheaper. Here we have Energy flew, but no new superheavy is being developed.

[slipped]

Quote: BlackMokona

Because the new is better and cheaper. Here we have Energy flew, but no new superheavy is being developed.

Using the reserve for the "Energia" launch vehicle.

[Blackmokona]

Well, so do SLS using the Shuttle backlog. Shuttle Boosters plus Shuttle LRE

[slipped]

Quote: BlackMokona

Well, so do SLS using the Shuttle backlog. Shuttle Boosters plus Shuttle LRE

Let them do it, what are we against?

[Vadim237]

It gathers dust in the museum along with the rest of the equipment - the only thing left is the layout of Orion from Apollo 11.

[Honest Citizen]

said Julie Bassler, SLS stage assembly manager.

Well, since the "assembly manager" said, then the "manager" for contacts with Darth Vader, the "manager" for the Moon and a few more "managers" will fly.
The flight will be illuminated by "managers" for lighting the flight to the Moon, and they will be met on the Moon by "managers" for meetings and reasonable contacts ...

[Butterfly Killer]

The American system loses to our "Angara" in terms of carrying capacity, and in terms of money it will be much more expensive. Again, on time - we already have a whole spaceport for super-heavy rockets ready, and the Americans have to do everything from scratch. And if something else does not work out with them, then in general trouble.

[Mestny]

This is all true.
But rage about the Internet will be about Rogozin and trampolines. And our domestic skakuasy.

[Butterfly Killer]

They will stop raving when our people fly to the moon, as they plan in RosKosmos. Not long to wait, almost everything is ready.

[Yura]

Quote: Butterfly Killer

They will stop raving when our people fly to the moon, as they plan in RosKosmos. Not long to wait, almost everything is ready.

They won’t stop, they will say that the spacecraft flew to the Moon in the wrong direction and they began to push everyone especially Putin from the bottom, because the device had slipped away from the pension reform, as a result of which it turned to the wrong side, as a result of which the astronauts did not have to go into outer space on the other side, from where they needed it, and therefore they had to take samples of the lunar soil, wave their hands with all their might, fly to Venus, ricochet on it to Mars, from it again ricochet to the Moon, after which they hit the Earth’s satellite a pillar of dust was lifted, which the astronauts, using a butterfly net, caught in their pockets and brought home. After that, they’ll calculate how much these manipulations cost, they will say that the Americans would do better because they would collect samples during all ricochets about all the planets.

[Vadim237]

And to be honest - ours isn’t ready for a flight to the moon at all - there is no rocket, there is no ship, there are no orbital engines, there is no descent module.

[slipped]

Quote: Vadim237

And to be honest - ours isn’t ready for a flight to the moon at all - there is no rocket, there is no ship, there are no orbital engines, there is no descent module.

And to be even more honest, the first stage of the rocket has already begun to be made, orbital engines have been flying on Soyuz MS for a long time, and VA throw tests are already in the next year.

[Vadim237]

Started to do it - consider it not to be.

[slipped]

Quote: Vadim237

Started to do it - consider it not to be.

Well then, according to your own patterns and SLS, no. Since it has not yet been done.

[Vadim237]

They are already finishing it.

[slipped]

Quote: Vadim237

They are already finishing it.

it doesn’t matter, since February we have already tested engines in stages.

[Nuclear_winter]

And where is this "Angara" then?

[slipped]

Quote: Nuclear_winter

And where is this "Angara" then?

In a month they will be delivered to the cosmodrome.

[Freemason Mason]

Quote: Butterfly Killer

The American system loses to our "Angara" in terms of carrying capacity, and in terms of money it will be much more expensive. Again, on time - we already have a whole spaceport for super-heavy rockets ready, and the Americans have to do everything from scratch. And if something else does not work out with them, then in general trouble.

I just want to ask - what planet are you from? Reading your comment I want to smash the phone against the wall. Angara is a modern analogue of Proton, with the same carrying capacity, equal to ~ 25 tons. The Americans have had such a rocket for a long time, the Falcon 9 is called, maybe you've heard? SLS, on the other hand, is a super-heavy rocket, with a payload capacity of 95 tons even at the initial stage. Therefore, it is more expensive. And they will finish building it, despite the cries of the adherents of the sect "the Americans were not on the moon." Against this background, I would like to know how the work on our Yenisei is progressing, otherwise nothing is heard about it, only regular promises from Rogozin are heard ... Speaking of the presence of a launch pad for SLS - the Americans have it, that the very one from which Saturn was launched 5. So return to earth, sir, and do not write game)

[Zeev Zeev]

So I was always interested, why do not the lunar ships assemble in orbit, do they make for them a special, and very complex and, accordingly, expensive rocket? Well, in 1968, docking with automation was new, computers were weak, and communications worked every other time. But now is the problem with casting parts with commercial missiles and docking them there?

[FenH]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

So I was always interested, why do not the lunar ships assemble in orbit, do they make for them a special, and very complex and, accordingly, expensive rocket? Well, in 1968, docking with automation was new, computers were weak, and communications worked every other time. But now is the problem with casting parts with commercial missiles and docking them there?

Too many personnel are involved in the assembly, you won’t throw everyone into space, the ISS is not rubber, but the idea is interesting

[purple]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

So I was always interested, why do not the lunar ships assemble in orbit, do they make for them a special, and very complex and, accordingly, expensive rocket? Well, in 1968, docking with automation was new, computers were weak, and communications worked every other time. But now is the problem with casting parts with commercial missiles and docking them there?

There is no sense, the Moon is near, it’s enough to launch a ship from Earth. But the ship to Mars, yes, I think they will collect in orbit

[totoro21]

Its pros, its cons. Yes, the rocket must be sawed very strong. But then everything starts in one go.
To assemble something in orbit, you have to equip something with docking nodes that add dead weight to the entire structure. Plus engines for maneuvering in orbit, fuel for their operation. Further, in order to fire something sane to the Moon, you need to bring at least 100 tons to LEO, and better more. If we consider the launch of the same mass by Proton rockets, then this is 4-5 launches at least. It will not be possible to carry them out in a "salvo" (it is necessary to build 4-5 launch sites), which means that the entire structure must exist for some time in orbit while the launch of new carriers is going on. This imposes more stringent requirements on resource, reliability and power supply and the like. If something goes wrong with the next launch, then there is a risk of losing everything.
That is, winning in the fact that it is not necessary to build a superheavy rocket, we lose in everything else. Again, with the help of a rocket, it is possible in the future to launch some kind of single-load, for example, to build the same ISS from larger blocks.

[voyaka uh]

Such a project has appeared.
To collect the 2nd and 3rd steps in orbit.
And parts and materials (for 3-D printers) to deliver there weak
1 steps.
But there is no such orbital station yet.

[slipped]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

So I was always interested, why do not the lunar ships assemble in orbit, do they make for them a special, and very complex and, accordingly, expensive rocket? Well, in 1968, docking with automation was new, computers were weak, and communications worked every other time. But now is the problem with casting parts with commercial missiles and docking them there?

Without well-developed assembly architecture in orbit, it’s cheaper in the end. Single start.

[evgen1221]

Well, it seems that this time it really will land in real life and not in the pavilion.

[purple]

Quote: evgen1221

Well, it seems that this time it really will land in real life and not in the pavilion.

I think the Chinese are faster

[evgen1221]

Yes, in general, do not care who, even the islanders of ivory, this time it will really be the first trace of a person on another planet.

[Vadim237]

This will be the second track - and the same ones.

[evgen1221]

Well, there, with the first track, is a little unclear))), counting automatic stations, the rest of the lunar program of the states of the 60s is slightly controversial.

[Greyhound famously]

And what cosmodrome / launch pad are they going to launch a rocket? Is this infrastructure already in place or is it being built? Tell me who is in the know. After all, to create the necessary launch complex for a super-heavy missile is that task and not for one year of work. But I heard about it somehow it was not.

[Blackmokona]

The launch complex has long been made

[Greyhound famously]

The launch complex has long been made

in which year, at which spaceport?

[Blackmokona]

Kennedy Space Center, LC-39B platform in summer 2012

[Greyhound famously]

BlackMokona, thanks, I was even able to find a video of testing security systems from last year, so really, you are right - the launch complex is ready.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNkmwrTjKuo

[voyaka uh]

There are superheavy platforms at the Florida Cosmodrome.
Both NASA, Boeing Lockheed, and Space-X. Space-X two of its superheavy
run from there.

[Greyhound famously]

There are superheavy platforms at the Florida Cosmodrome.

Launch complexes are built for a specific type of launch vehicle. So that somewhere, someone, once in the USA, launched some kind of superheavy does not mean anything for the SLS project, at least in terms of the availability of a launch complex.

[Blackmokona]

They can be upgraded.
You can also lay versatility, for example, Falcon-9 and Falcon-Heavy fly with one launcher

[Greyhound famously]

BlackMokona, it’s clear. We have the same parsley - several of the same type (for example, Soyuz-2 of the light and middle class) from one starting table and the Hangar there. But man united several types of rocket carriers at once - it is clear that it is far from the topic.

[Vadim237]

They will launch from the modernized launcher for the Ares 1 rocket and build a second site

[Errr]

Quote: Grizzled Dashing

And what cosmodrome / launch pad are they going to launch a rocket?

Venue LC-39B Kennedy Space Center.

[Blacksmith 55]

I suppose that now a discussion will begin again about whether they were already there, that is, on the moon.
I want to tell a story about which few people know. She is known in the leading circles of America, but they don’t talk about, it’s understandable why. Also in Poland and Germany they know about this story.
So the year is 1969. An unknown grandfather lived in Poland at that time, and everyone called him Opa Popolski. (Oops in German grandfather). Let us and we will call him that.
So, having heard that the Americans were going to the moon, he quickly bungled himself a "pepelats", and, as an experiment, sent his cat and mouse into orbit. When they returned safely, our grandpa himself got into his aircraft and after 3 weeks of flight the prize ...., sorry, landed on our satellite.
After wandering on the moon and finding nothing remarkable, our grandfather noted this event, and "made his feet" to his native Poland.
Half an hour later, the Americans landed on the moon.
And now, dear readers of VO, imagine, Neil Armstrong, taking the first step on the surface of the moon, pronounces his famous phrase.
- A small step for me ......, well, you know her perfectly well, what to repeat.
However, taking the second step, he notices on the surface an empty bottle of vodka, a button accordion and a plate with half-eaten pickles.
And here Armstrong pressed to his chest, I apologize, to the spacesuit, an empty bubble, utters his second famous phrase, and we all know it too.
-Houston, we have a problem.
What the Americans did with the things of our Opah remains unknown. Can store them now at the most secret object.
Or maybe they left there, and the cucumbers are waiting for the next visitors.
I hope everyone who does not believe that the Americans were there, I now convinced that they were mistaken, in any case those who have at least a little sense of humor.
And who still does not believe, ask Google the phrase: Opa Popolski auf dem Mond. There is video, enjoy watching.
Regards, Blacksmith.

[Shahno]

I understand that it's a shame. It happens. They were on the moon. And we were, as debris.

[bk316]

And we were, as debris

You? As debris? This is about what ....

[Blacksmith 55]

Yes, with VO humor it’s bad, even very bad.

[Vladimir61]

I would like to gloat, but in reality, our first heavy projects "Yenisei", configurations I-55 and II-88 tons, are planned only for 2028-2029, as well as the "Don" planned on their basis (125-130 tons), and configuration III-155 tons, by 2035!
The launch complex for them, too, is planned to be completed by 2027. But we have already become convinced that today, not the Soviet planned economy, and there are a number of significant reasons for this. Therefore, let's hope that by that time all "children's" and "adult" sores, both in Roscosmos and in the country as a whole, will be cured. Hope dies last!

[totoro21]

It turns out that "the most powerful rocket in the world" will yield to Saturn-5 even in the future?

[Blackmokona]

The most powerful rocket in the world will be BFR, not SLS. And that power has more than Saturn 5

[maden.usmanow]

And why fall into gigantism?

Now composites, materials are much lighter than in the 60s.
No point beating Saturn 5, no

[Errr]

Quote: totoro21

It turns out that "the most powerful rocket in the world" will yield to Saturn-5 even in the future?

Stage "0" SLS (two solid fuel boosters) is weaker than the first stage "Saturn-5" by almost 7%, but, nevertheless, ... we are waiting for the first flight of "Orion" to our only natural satellite.)

[Blackmokona]

It's no secret, google Delta-4 and Falcon-9. They did not lose a second the opportunity to display the entire range of payloads on their engines

[Vadim237]

And they have been able to do it for a long time. Starting from the 50s.

[maden.usmanow]

It’s a pity that the Americans fly, as in 69. Just like that.

They force the trump because of Trump, but initially they also wanted to create an orbital station on the moon.

[Vadim237]

With the help of this rocket, a lunar orbital station will be created.

[Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich]

The question is: why can't we use the Soviet Energia rocket for a flight to the Moon? she has, as Wikipedia points out, a payload of up to 100 tons ... is that not enough?

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Quote: Sergey Olegovich Abrosimov

The question is: why can't we use the Soviet Energia rocket for a flight to the Moon? she has, as Wikipedia points out, a payload of up to 100 tons ... is that not enough?

Because there is no such "Soviet rocket" Energia "for a long time. Physically.

[Errr]

Quote: Sergey Olegovich Abrosimov

The question is: why can't we use the Soviet Energia rocket for a flight to the Moon? she has, as Wikipedia points out, a payload of up to 100 tons ... is that not enough?

The continuation of "Energia" was supposed to be "Vulcan" ("Hercules") with a carrying capacity for LEO from 175 to 200 tons. In the end, everything rests against denazhki.)))

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Quote: Herrr

Continuation of "Energy" was supposed to be "Volcano" ("Hercules")

Must have been in the USSR. But such a country has long been gone.

[Vadim237]

Because one launch of such a rocket will cost 60 billion rubles.

[Maxwrx]

I will write the facts about SLS:
1) sls is almost ready, next year launch with the lunar ship Orion (he was already flying) on ​​an unmanned moon
2) the launch is estimated at 0,5-1 billion (depending on version) + huge infrastructure costs. for comparison, Saturn 5 at today's prices, the launch was estimated at 1,3 billion + infrastructure. obtained for the US space program - this is a good price per kg of cargo
3) sls a large vacuum cleaner for the development of which, according to various estimates, they spent from $ 14 to $ 35 billion, while they were based on the old developments of the same space shuttle, in general, we saw loot.
4) in addition to sls, spafex bfr is developed and tested with our own money with a load capacity of 150 tons in a reusable version and an even larger one in a one-time use. The launch price will be much lower than SLS, orbital flights are planned to begin this year, in 3 years they will actually finish their rocket
Bottom line: there are opportunities, political intrigues hinder

Russian plans:
1) ideally, they’ll finish before the start of 30 g of similar capacity in a one-time version, but most likely everyone will move
2) the development cost is estimated at 1-1,7 trillion r or $ 15-26 billion, and most likely there will be more, where they get so much money from is not clear at all, because and now much cheaper programs are slowed down
3) the cost of launching our rocket will be approximately the same as $ 0,5-1 billion /
4) and we are developing a bunch of everything, the impression is that even more than nasa, only then everything is shifted by 15 years, or the program is closed. the money is cut.
Bottom line: there is still technology, there is no money, we won’t fly anywhere without it. 30 years behind the Americans in almost all areas (except engines and space station support systems) in astronautics, the gap is only widening

plans of China:
1) a long-term orbital station is being built next year
2) launches to the moon, Mars
3) by 28 g they plan to finish their super-weight by 140 t
4) in the early 30s moon landing
Bottom line: they act systematically, and if the deadlines move, then not for long. I am not surprised that if Trump does not win, then the Chinese will be faster than the Americans on the moon

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Quote: MaxWRX

Russian plans:
1) ideally, they’ll finish before the start of 30 g of similar capacity in a one-time version, but most likely everyone will move

SLS is also disposable. Infrastructure on the moon will unfold earlier.

Quote: MaxWRX

2) the development cost is estimated at 1-1,7 trillion r or $ 15-26 billion, and most likely there will be more, where they get so much money from is not clear at all, because and now much cheaper programs are slowed down

As they slow down and accelerate when necessary. The development cost includes the development of other media. Now the trend is a pragmatic approach.

Quote: MaxWRX

3) the cost of launching our rocket will be approximately the same as $ 0,5-1 billion /

No.

Quote: MaxWRX

4) and we are developing a bunch of everything, the impression is that even more than nasa, only then everything is shifted by 15 years, or the program is closed. the money is cut.

Well, what programs were closed in the current ten-year PCF? But none. Everything is at work.

[Maxwrx]

1) Of course, one-time, but they already have it, and reusable or even more load-lifting in a one-time version are being developed
2) No, it’s not included, it has been written about this many times, budgets will be allocated to other families. The engine based on rd-171 (with a 20% increase in operating time), which has been produced already since 1976, will fly on engines 50 years old in a new version.
3) The cost of rd-171mb 1,2bn, on the Yenisei 1 stage 6 engines = 7,2 billion, 2 stage rd-180 (base rd171) could not find the price, I also think about 1,2 billion, 3 stage RD-0146 600 million. In total, only 9 billion r. = $ 150 million. Now for comparison, take the space-based engine. Their Merlin 1D engine costs $ 1 million, on a falcon 9 of them 9 pcs = 9 million, they start it for 60+ million and above. Those. the difference from the cost of the engine and the final product is 6 times. In the same way, you can go to other Amer manufacturers who buy our RD and make an extra charge at least 3 times. So, in all cases, the price will be at least $ 450 million, and most likely due to the small series.
4) Close AMS Phobos, Clipper, AMS Venus. The moon series, the spectrum series, the science module were supposed to be launched back in 2007, the federation should have been launched in 2015, now they are planning at 23 (then they will shift it further) and so on in any direction, transfers for 10 years or more from the planned date.

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Quote: MaxWRX

1) Of course, one-time, but they already have it, and reusable or even more load-lifting in a one-time version are being developed

We are also developing. Just for the first step have already taken. In the senior carrier STK-2, the carrying capacity is planned at 140 tons at the DOE.

Quote: MaxWRX

2) No, it’s not included, it has been written about this many times, budgets will be allocated to other families.

I'm talking about continuity. The first stage of the STK Yenisei consists of 6 first stages of the Irtysh LV, the second stage is the first stage of the Amur LV, the third stage is the KVSTK from the Angara-5V LV and the Persei RB - further development of the RB DM-03. As a result, the development of STK becomes cheaper.

Quote: MaxWRX

The engine based on rd-171 (with a 20% increase in operating time), which has been produced already since 1976, will fly on engines 50 years old in a new version.

We will, since the RD-171MV is much cheaper than the RS-25. And the RD-180 will cost ~ 400 million rubles.

Quote: MaxWRX

3) The cost of rd-171mb 1,2bn, on the Yenisei 1 stage 6 engines = 7,2 billion, 2 stage rd-180 (base rd171) could not find the price, I also think about 1,2 billion, 3 stage RD-0146 600 million. In total, only 9 billion r. = $ 150 million

Engine prices are wrong. Calculations too.

Quote: MaxWRX

Now for comparison, take spaceics, their Merlin 1D engine costs $ 1 million, on a falcon 9 there are 9 of them = 9 million, they start it for 60+ million and more. Those. the difference from the cost of the engine and the final product is 6 times. In the same way, you can go to other Amer manufacturers who buy our RD and make an extra charge at least 3 times. So, in all cases, the price will be at least $ 450 million, and most likely due to the small series.

Trying to compare the cost of super-heavy and heavy missiles.

Quote: MaxWRX

4) Close AMS Phobos, Clipper, AMS Venus.

Do you know such names as "Boomerang", "Venera-D" and PTK NP?

Quote: MaxWRX

Strongly suffered the moon series,

Three stations of the "Luna" series are present in the current FKP. The launch of the first, Luna 25, in 2021. The postponement for two years is associated with the alteration of the BKU and the opening of a new astronomical window.

Quote: MaxWRX

series spectrum,

First Spectrum - Radioastron has already successfully flown off. The second Spectrum - Roentgen-Gamma is now one and a half million km away, has begun scientific work and is entering a parking halo orbit near the L2 point, the third Spectrum - the Ultraviolet World Observatory is 70% ready and will be launched closer to 2025. The work on "Spectrum-M" - "Millimetron" also continues, recently one of its carbon-fiber segments of the main mirror was placed in a thermal pressure chamber to check its geometric stability - it passed successfully.

Quote: MaxWRX

the science module should have been launched back in 2007,

Launch of MLM-U "Science" on November 6, 2020. The issue on his tanks has been resolved.

Quote: MaxWRX

the federation should have been launched in 2015,

The creation of the PTK NP began in 2016. The first two ships are already going. Launch of the first prototype in 2023.

Everything you have listed starts up or gets ready for launches. Do you engage in disinformation or is it from ignorance?

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: sabakina

Sergei I wonder if they will fly immediately in 2024 or after two unsuccessful launches, as last time?

They need to hurry. If, suddenly, the Indians or Chinese get ahead, and find that there are no signs on the moon of the Americans being there, the scandal will be global and forever. You need to quickly arrange the iron there and trample more.

[Blackmokona]

Hindus have already found traces. Therefore everything is ok

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Quote: BlackMokona

Hindus have already found traces. Therefore everything is ok

This is when, how and who visited there? In telescopes you never know what you can see. On Mars, there, human skulls are piled up in heaps. Wasn't their Indra split at the moon landing?

[Blackmokona]

So the Hindus have a satellite in the orbit of the moon

[Simargl]

Quote: Vkd dvk

Wasn't their Indra split at the moon landing?

Before spanking nonsense, ask about the composition of the mission. The Hindus themselves said about the death of Indrokhod: "Well, fig with him - not a big loss, 95% of the mission is working."

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In the meantime, RD-171MV engines are being assembled for testing as part of a stage.

Stages with the same engines will be used in the Yenisei super-heavy carrier.

[Old26]

Quote: Lipchanin

Another question interests me, on which engines will fly?

Two sidewalls - solid propellant booster from the "shuttle". Only the Shuttle had four sections, and these have five sections. In the first stage there are 4 RS-25D or RS-25E engines instead of 3 engines on the Shuttle

Quote: Lipchanin

Then why didn’t they do it before, but bought from us?

These are oxygen-hydrogen engines. Our RD-180 - oxygen-kerosene
And they didn’t buy because it was easier to do with us than to localize production at home

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Just wanted to understand where they divided Saturn 5? They already had an extra-heavy rocket, back in the late 60s. And it was created in 5 years, in my opinion. And practically without tests she threw several missions to the moon. It is in the museum. Why make a new one?

And where in our car industry did we sell Emki, GAZ-AA and so on ??? The rockets were created, they flew their own in the 60s - 70s. New times have come, new technologies have appeared. The old ones went into oblivion. Why ask the question - where did you go? At the Saturn-5 Museum. In the museum. TMA will take a place (if it has not already taken) a shuttle. Everything flows, everything changes and no one will look back at old technologies. Now it will be more expensive to recreate old technologies than to use new ones ...

Quote: Butterfly Slayer

The American system loses to our "Angara" in terms of carrying capacity, and in terms of money it will be much more expensive. Again, on time - we already have a whole spaceport for super-heavy rockets ready, and the Americans have to do everything from scratch. And if something else does not work out with them, then in general trouble.

Wow. And nothing that "Angara" has been creating for 20 years. How much money did you spend during this time? In terms of carrying capacity, the SLS certainly loses to the "Angara". The hangara lifts as much as 24,5 tons into low orbit, and some kind of SLS there is only 70 tons in the Block 1 version and 130 tons in the Block 2 version.
Our spaceport is ready. From it already in three years 5 "unions" were launched. And the table for the "Angara" has not yet been made (I don't even know if they started doing it). And the Americans have their own spaceport. And their launch scheme is different from ours. So I think they have a table ...

Quote: Butterfly Slayer

They will stop raving when our people fly to the moon, as they plan in RosKosmos. Not long to wait, almost everything is ready.

Not for long. Years 10. There is no ship yet (they even flew in test, unmanned mode, but flew. There are no rockets. There is no desk. And almost everything is ready ...

Quote: Zeev Zeev

So I was always interested, why do not the lunar ships assemble in orbit, do they make for them a special, and very complex and, accordingly, expensive rocket? Well, in 1968, docking with automation was new, computers were weak, and communications worked every other time. But now is the problem with casting parts with commercial missiles and docking them there?

And now, not every docking is perfect. Remember the recent docking of Soyuz with FEDR
In addition, a flight to the moon requires certain fuel costs, which means that such a missile cannot be made small-sized. Launch sections into orbit with smaller rockets but with a large number or one but large - which is cheaper?
Over time, of course, orbital shipyards may appear, but I'm afraid not soon

Quote: totoro21

It turns out that "the most powerful rocket in the world" will yield to Saturn-5 even in the future?

Why? Saturn-5 has a lifting capacity of 118 tons. "Don" - 125-130, SLS up to 130, BFR from 150 to 250 tons

[Vadim237]

Saturn had a maximum of 140 tons.

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Quote: Old26

And they didn’t buy because it was easier to do with us than to localize production at home

Not easier, but simply failed. Moreover, the price for them, for the engine, has already doubled.

Quote: Old26

Wow. And nothing that Angara has been creating for 20 years. How much money did you spend during this time?

This is a myth, why repeat it? There is a specific development time and it is less. The rocket is done, now there is a development of serial production and testing.

Quote: Old26

In terms of carrying capacity, the SLS certainly loses to the "Angara". The hangara lifts as much as 24,5 tons into low orbit, and some SLS there is only 70 tons in the Block 1 version and 130 tons in the Block 2 version.

A man made a mistake, it happens. A5V will raise 38 tons to DOE. But still, this media is in a different weight category.

Quote: Old26

Our spaceport is ready. From it already in three years 5 "unions" were launched.

Ready launch complex 1C. How many payloads were made to launch from this table, so many were launched. Next year will be the same. A spaceport continues to be built.

Quote: Old26

And the table for the "Angara" has not yet been made (I don't even know if they started doing it).

There is a table for the Angara spacecraft at the Plesetsk cosmodrome. At the Vostochny cosmodrome, construction of the Amur spacecraft is underway.

Quote: Old26

There is no ship yet (they even flew in test, unmanned mode, but

I flew an empty layout for working out the technical specifications. We have such flies in the year 2023. When start 1A will be ready.

[APASUS]

Has Hollywood received an order to shoot a new series about Americans on the moon? The scale is astounding, but I believe that this time there will be no mistakes and Bruce Willis will be able to fill the face with aliens

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: BlackMokona

So the Hindus have a satellite in the orbit of the moon

Don’t, Emelya, not your week.

Indian "Chandrayan-2" failed when landing on ...
And "Chandrayan-1" has an amateur camera that does not see objects for less than a kilometer.

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Quote: wkd dvk

Quote: BlackMokona

So the Hindus have a satellite in the orbit of the moon

Don’t, Emelya, not your week.

Indian "Chandrayan-2" failed when landing on ...
And "Chandrayan-1" has an amateur camera that does not see objects for less than a kilometer.

Vikram failed to land. Landing gear with a small moon rover. Chandrayan-2 remained in orbit and has an excellent OHRC camera on it.

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: Sergey Olegovich Abrosimov

The question is: why can't we use the Soviet Energia rocket for a flight to the Moon? she has, as Wikipedia points out, a payload of up to 100 tons ... is that not enough?

For the simple reason that technology, equipment, test benches, equipment, materials and specialists have been lost. To resume production of at least the same building, not restoration work is needed, but a new design. Testing and more .... The question is, and on fig, to restore the production of old material, when today there is a new, much better one. What are the costs of recovery? And in the end, worthless, in our time, quality. This applies to EVERYTHING. From transistors in electronics, to plastics, rubber, metal, and everything else.
If, indeed, spend money, then on the iron of modern quality.
In the same way, the Americans lost the opportunity to make Saturn 5. For the same reasons.

Finally, for reference to the curious, the mass of the Su-27 is approximately 16 kg. Exactly the same weight is all the design and technological documentation for it in one copy.

[gafarovsafar]

after five years, everyone will forget what was said five years ago, even if they remember they would say it, I didn’t say so I don’t answer. The main thing is to rattle loudly so that everyone would be surprised at the information war in full swing

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: Simargl

Quote: Vkd dvk

Wasn't their Indra split at the moon landing?

Before spanking nonsense, ask about the composition of the mission. The Hindus themselves said about the death of Indrokhod: "Well, fig with him - not a big loss, 95% of the mission is working."

Naturally, any fox will declare in this case that the grape is green.

[Vkd dvk]

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Quote: wkd dvk

Quote: BlackMokona

So the Hindus have a satellite in the orbit of the moon

Don’t, Emelya, not your week.

Indian "Chandrayan-2" failed when landing on ...
And "Chandrayan-1" has an amateur camera that does not see objects for less than a kilometer.

Vikram failed to land. Landing gear with a small moon rover. Chandrayan-2 remained in orbit and has an excellent OHRC camera on it.

So pictures in the studio. Figs, trump that is not in the hand:

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Quote: wkd dvk

So pictures in the studio. Figs, trump that is not in the hand:

Only cats are fast ... In the news of the 19th day, ISRO notifies that it has only successfully completed the initial tests of the payload of the device.

[Foxmara]

since 2016 already flies. When will the train be able to? The shuttle engines were altered, but the power later, then ... It's understandable, it's not on the TV to show how the doll rolls on the rover, you have to work here. And there is only one genius in the United States and for some unknown reason he is not allowed to fly to the moon.