Defense Ministry changes draft rules

The Department of Defense has developed new rules for conscription. As Izvestia reports with reference to the military department, the absence of a registration stamp in the passport or residence not at the place of registration are no longer an obstacle to conscription.

The Ministry of Defense has developed new rules, according to which the military registration and enlistment offices will put on military records not only young people of military age registered at the place of residence, but also those actually living, i.e. without registration in a specific area, for which the military enlistment office is responsible. Thus, the military department plans, on the one hand, to cover up one of the main ways of evading military service, and on the other, to provide an opportunity to serve or enroll in a military university for those who cannot do this due to problems with registration.

As explained in the military department, at present, the personal military registration of citizens is kept "at their place of residence or place of stay (for a period of more than three months)", i.e. only registered citizens are registered. The new version of the provision is supplemented with the following wording: "including not confirmed by registration at the place of residence or place of stay." Military enlistment offices intend to collect information about young people who are not registered in a particular region through educational institutions and personnel departments of enterprises. Such conscripts will be registered "at the place indicated by citizens in the application as the place of their stay (study)."

Previously, a potential conscript had to go to the place of registration and from there go to the army. Not everyone did it. Now, even if the young man did not manage to register at the place of stay, he is still obliged to appear at the local military registration and enlistment office and report himself. He will be registered (...) everyone will have the opportunity to fulfill their duty - to pass military service or to exercise their right - to enter a military university

- Oleg Zherdev, founder of the Russian association of lawyers of law enforcement agencies "Gvardia", commented on the new rule.

The innovation is expected to come into effect at the end of this year.

Comments

[Blacksmith 55]

I believe that anyone who is capable of this due to health reasons should serve.

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Blacksmith 55

I believe that everyone should serve

This is understandable, but how are they going to implement this? -

not only young people of military age registered at the place of residence, but also actually living

, as the chairman of TSN MKD, I myself do not know who exactly lives in rented apartments and this is not my gap, but reality ... after all, they can say away for 3 days and so on

[Astra wild]

Tiksi, this is a gap in legislation. I came across the House Book of 1927 (!) And there it was rigidly spelled out about such "guests". On the one hand, such tight control seems excessive, but at the same time, there is something

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Astra wild

I came across the House Book of 1927 (!) And there it was rigidly spelled out about such "guests".

it used to be before .... now I cannot get into the apartment, even if there is a strait ... legally, I cannot, so there is chaos with meters and ONE ...

[Svarog]

With such a birth rate, there will be no one to serve in 10 years ... and given the economy, there is still no time ...

[Tarasve]

In fact, not much is wrong. You can not serve with a "condition", as well as if ANY criminal cases were initiated. For example, a kid climbed into someone else's garden for apples, the owner, inadequate, filed a statement about theft. Goodbye to the army!

[private person]

With such a birth rate, there will be no one to serve in 10 years ... and given the economy, there is still no time ...

Yeah, now they will make a 4-day working week so that people breed like rabbits. A joke, of course, but every joke has a hint.

[Svarog]

Quote: private person

Yeah, now they will make a 4-day working week so that people breed like rabbits. A joke, of course, but every joke has a hint.

Do you think that people do not have enough time to reproduce .. most often it happens outside of work

[Simargl]

Quote: private person

Yeah, now they will make a 4-day working week so that people breed like rabbits. A joke, of course, but every joke has a hint.

These guysы-оcrabs, as usual, heard the ringing, but did not understand what it was about!
A four-day trip is needed. However, by the four-day week we need opportunities for additional education, and an improvement in wages, and an improvement in productivity.

[private person]

I believe that anyone who is capable of this due to health reasons should serve.

I also think so, but how I do not explain to my son (he is 20) does not agree with me. You see, the guys who came recently say that there is nothing to do in the army. So they stir up different diagnoses with their mother (looking for diseases) until we reach a scandal.

[Grandfather]

The Department of Defense has developed new rules for conscription. As Izvestia reports with reference to the military department, the absence of a registration stamp in the passport or residence not at the place of registration are no longer an obstacle to conscription.

"chicken coop" principle? caught - trampled? leads to bad reflections, this is EnitEmotive ...

[ltc35]

Another option is when the pltential conscript moves from district to district. Register every time? And if all the military registration and enlistment offices at once start looking for a guy?

[Simargl]

Quote: ltc35

And if all the military registration and enlistment offices at once start looking for a guy?

And then serve for 8 years ...

[Grandfather]

Quote: private person

I believe that anyone who is capable of this due to health reasons should serve.

muzhYk, yes, no questions asked, who did not serve, he is a disabled person for life. (categories are different) but grab it anywhere? excuse me ... I'll be the first to the military commissar or whoever's in the face for my grandson. "Dodgers on the run" - grab .. and if before the appearance in the military registration and enlistment office - 1 hour and so? our "legislation" is so vague that there is not enough time allotted to understand it correctly. so I don't like it.

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

Quote: smith 55

I believe that anyone who is capable of this due to health reasons should serve.

So everyone now began to serve, for this they even introduced a new law, according to which those citizens who were written off due to minor changes in health can now, of their own free will, if they agree, can go to serve in the army.

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: Blacksmith 55

who for health reasons is capable of it

judging by the reports of medical commissions, there are fewer and fewer of them, unfortunately

[Civil]

Quote: smith 55

I believe that anyone who is capable of this due to health reasons should serve.

Only contractors and volunteers. The first for money, the second for the idea and benefits in obtaining higher education. And it is unprofitable to drive the youngsters to do household work, there are already not enough work units in the economy.
Well, do not get away from the refusal of the draft, in any way, due to the lack of youth, the draft hurts the economy.
The rate is only on automated systems in our case, when there is no one to call in particular.

[Svarog]

Quote: Blacksmith 55

I believe that anyone who is capable of this due to health reasons should serve.

And I believe that in a state that has thrown off all or almost all of its social obligations, service should be completely contractual ..

[Cyrus]

What obligations has the government thrown off, tell me?

[Herman Krimmel]

The first thing that comes to mind is education and medicine. They have been shareware for a long time. Yes, and the sacramental "your parents did not ask you to give birth." In addition, since we are talking about young people, there is neither normal preparation for military service within the framework of the school (CWP are taught by aunts in life-saving lessons), nor distribution after receiving education. War veterans, even if they are paid the combat and other payments due to them, are left to their own devices - and they sometimes need psychological and / or medical assistance. And with regard to conscription - in the end, this is a year in life that has been torn out, if they do not leave for an extra urgent one. And yes, I believe that the army should be conscripted, but in that society and in the economy that is now - the army turns into a duty, and not a sacred duty to the Motherland.
And there is no need to introduce any special changes - conscription from the age of 20 (so that you can choose a specialty or work) and post-service payments equivalent to the average salary for a year in the region / country or from salary to conscription (it will allow you to calmly find yourself in life). I bet that with this approach there will be more queues at the military registration and enlistment offices than at the mausoleum.

[Cyrus]

That is, in the place where you live there is no free hospital and school, and the maternity hospitals are all private and commercial? Write pliz their prices and names if it’s not difficult, well, if you don’t lie of course.
Regarding the draft from the age of 20, etc. I agree completely.

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

This is a more correct approach to business, there will be less and less bureaucracy and red tape, especially to those people who are from the village or district.

[edeligor]

I bring to your attention - in every district and every village there is a military commissariat for which these territorial formations are assigned. This change concerns big cities, where citizens were leaving "without being removed from the military register" without due social responsibility.

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

I bring to your attention that now not in all villages and districts, there is this institution, but only in large districts where this district or village is assigned and people, constantly, had to not understand how to get there. You have not encountered this and do not know what it is.

[edeligor]

How can I ... 15 years is not enough, probably Well, if you call GOMA GSH, it was their optimization that led to such a result.

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

How can I ... 15 years is not enough, probably

Where do you go and why do you need this your own business and it doesn’t concern me personally, but I say the facts that exist and answer those that come from you.

Well, if you call GOMA GSH, it was their optimization that led to such a result.

Many called while the results were zero .

[edeligor]

Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS

Many called until the results were zero.

And then the commission came and a new optimization began. And you, Sergei, do not understand the facts correctly and are very quick to draw conclusions. We argued a bit about this already, don't start again. Your "comments" (in this area) only make you smile. No offense.

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

And then the commission came and a new optimization began.

Where did they go, specifically.

We argued a bit about this already, don't start again.

Where and when.

Your "comments" (in this area) only make you smile. No offense.

Yes, here, you do not even cause laughter, but a laugh when you write such that in every village there is a commissariat. The fact of the matter is that you are arguing without even knowing the true deeds.

No offense.

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

Quote: edeligor

I bring to your attention - in every district and every village there is a military commissariat for which these territorial formations are assigned. This change concerns big cities, where citizens were leaving "without being removed from the military register" without due social responsibility.

Igorushka, I can tell you a little secret that you go to my profile, but most likely you do the same to others and put a Minus under each comment, you cannot solve the problem with this, you only confirm your weakness by this.

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

there is a military commissariat in every district and every village.

http://rusdni.ru/obschestvo/bezrabotica/chto-budet-s-otdelami-voennyx-komissariatov-v-2016-godu-planiruyutsya-li-sokrashheniya.html
https://seliane.ru/stati/obo-vsem/voenkomat-zakryt-vse-ushli-v-nikuda.html
Well, where they are, in every village there is a military commissariat. They were closed a long time ago, and that's how things really stand.

[Nycomed]

Everything is correct, otherwise the "bums" feel at ease. And the fact that you are a "homeless person" does not mean at all that the debt to the Motherland should not be repaid!

[Grandfather]

Quote: Nycomed

Everything is correct, otherwise the "bums" feel at ease. And the fact that you are a "homeless person" does not mean at all that the debt to the Motherland should not be repaid!

Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS

This is a more correct approach to business, there will be less and less bureaucracy and red tape, especially to those people who are from the village or district.

do not get excited, there are always "pitfalls", you rush to conclusions, like the young "Opera".

[georggy]

You forgot to mention the glorious Gypsies. do not work anywhere, but there is nothing to say about military service

[Nycomed]

Yes, create "Gypsy troops" and we will defeat everyone! All NATO will get hooked on "drugs"!

[edeligor]

It is high time! A couple more correct changes to the law "On conscription and military service" and order in this area will be restored.

[vvvjak]

Quote: edeligor

It is high time! A couple more correct changes to the law "On conscription and military service" and order in this area will be restored.

Only on the way of RB it is better not to go.

[edeligor]

Daddy has done something new?

[vvvjak]

Quote: edeligor

Daddy has done something new?

Well, of course. From 10.08.2019, new draft rules came into effect.

[Maxwrx]

The army must be voluntary! People should want to serve there, not from under the stick. Low morale and in case of a situation everyone will run to give up. And also the initiative. These are all factors for winning a battle. Only if for the rear, but sorting is needed. On the front line, volunteers, in the rear - whoever was called up.

[Avis-bis]

Quote: MaxWRX

The army must be voluntary! People should want to serve there, not from under the stick.

In Austria it is obligatory, in Switzerland it is obligatory.
There is a huge distance between "under the stick" and "obligation". It is a pity that you are not able to see it.

[Maxwrx]

The question is not like the others, the question is how more effective. Is it a volunteer army better, or do you refute that?

[Avis-bis]

[quote = MaxWRX] The question is not like the others [/ quote]
We do not live in a vacuum. it is necessary to take into account the world experience, and in which case we should interact with them (in one sense or another).
[quote] the question is how is it more efficient. Better is a volunteer army
Not better. Because all concepts have their pros and cons. But other things being equal, I believe that the draft is more correct.

[Maxwrx]

World experience comes to the conclusion that everyone is abandoning the conscript army. It is a fact!
What are the undeniable advantages of a conscript army besides the fact that it is cheap and a lot?

[PSih2097]

Quote: MaxWRX

What are the undeniable advantages of a conscript army besides the fact that it is cheap and a lot?

some no, but a mob. reserve...

[Maxwrx]

How effective will this mob reserve be? Now technology has gone far ahead of World War II, it is impossible to train in a year. We now have an army of 2 thousand, a mob reserve of 900 thousand per year x 350 years = 20 million people, well, subtract the sick, etc. = 7 million. Who should we fight with in order to need an army of 4 million? We will never be attacked en masse as long as we have nuclear weapons. And what benefits can these 5 thousand conscripts bring to the economy, which contains the army? And how many destinies have been broken, how many have failed to learn due to stupidity?

[Avis-bis]

Quote: MaxWRX

do not teach in a year

Don't judge by yourself, okay? During Vietnam, the Americans trained UH-1 helicopter pilots from scratch in a year, so it is very possible to train a modern infantryman in a year. As well as a mechanic drive with a gunner.

[Maxwrx]

Well, you served 10 years ago, how long it takes to retrain, at least six months. Accelerated courses for 3 months. Now wars have not been fought for years, a global war, even without nuclear weapons, will be fleeting, so there will be no time to learn. All those who served me spoke a little for a year.

[Avis-bis]

Quote: MaxWRX

Now no wars have been fought for years

Afghan, Syria, Iraq and Israel with the rest of their neighbors are now very much surprised.

If this year you kick the bald in the barracks, take them out to exercises and shooting ranges every half a year, then five years will not be enough.
An Austrian friend of mine told me (he served in the late 1980s and early 90s) that there was no time to sneeze in a year of service in ordinary border troops: training in city models and on the ground, shooting - from a pistol to a light machine gun every week or two, exits in real patrol and checkpoints. He says that he took a lot from the army, taught him a lot.
And for the Swiss, regular fees are generally measured in weeks. The army is recognized as one of the most efficient in the West. Europe.

[edeligor]

Quote: private person

I believe that anyone who is capable of this due to health reasons should serve.

I also think so, but how I do not explain to my son (he is 20) does not agree with me. You see, the guys who came recently say that there is nothing to do in the army. So they stir up different diagnoses with their mother (looking for diseases) until we reach a scandal.

And as for me, it should be like that in Israel - everything is like that.

[codetalker]

They would have blocked the main channel of evasion, fake diseases. When I was finishing the institute, it turned out that I was the only healthy man on the course ...

[Flatter]

There was a time in the USSR when people who had no criminal record were taken into the army. So the army was different.

[Nycomed]

They took to the construction battalion for a sweet soul!

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

Quote: Nycomed

They took to the construction battalion for a sweet soul!

Yes, I confirm, it was like that, they took them there, for a sweet soul.

[edeligor]

Even as they took, the teams were 130-150 people! True, these "radishes" managed to ride a taxi after home on leave.

[PSih2097]

Quote: edeligor

True, these "radishes" managed to ride a taxi after home on leave.

and during the service "earn" on, if not a car, then on a motorcycle for sure ...

[Nestorych]

It is necessary to simplify the call in general, so that after the 18th birthday, the conscript was obliged (!) To come to the military commissariat within three months. He didn’t show up, it means that he was a deviator, all public services are automatically blocked, except for the issuance of an internal identity document, medical insurance by compulsory medical insurance, an increased income tax is introduced, the right to be elected, to be elected is lost. work in government agencies. If you have not served until 28 years old, you must pay for all free education incl. school. They will come running ...

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

It is necessary to simplify the draft in general, so that after the completion of the 18th birthday, the conscript should be obliged (!) Within three months to appear at the military registration and enlistment office himself.

This is, first of all, the direct responsibility and work of the commissariat, for this it was created.

[edeligor]

Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS

direct responsibility and work of the commissariat

Stop talking nonsense here! What YOU call your immediate duty is one of the functions of the military commissariat and not the most important one!

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

Quote: edeligor

Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS

direct responsibility and work of the commissariat

Stop talking nonsense here! What YOU call your immediate duty is one of the functions of the military commissariat and not the most important one!

Where is the specifics? but for now only one blah, blah from you

What YOU call your direct responsibility is one of the functions of the military commissariat

I wrote about this, you make me feel and write in my own words.

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

Stop talking nonsense here!

You already demonstrated this when you wrote this.

there is a military commissariat in every district and every village.

Refuting references to this, I have already given you that in the villages and districts in many there are no military commissariats. Here is a link from the area where it was closed https://seliane.ru/stati/obo-vsem/voenkomat-zakryt-vse-ushli-v-nikuda.html
and this is confirmation of all this
http://rusdni.ru/obschestvo/bezrabotica/chto-budet-s-otdelami-voennyx-komissariatov-v-2016-godu-planiruyutsya-li-sokrashheniya.html

[armata_armata]

He didn’t show up, it means that he was an evader, all public services are automatically blocked, except for the issuance of an internal identity document, medicine under compulsory medical insurance

All this is great as long as one of the dodgers does not get into an accident, does not sleep with a stroke or so on. For after he dies (without compulsory medical insurance, we do not provide help) it will be very fun ...

They will come running ...

Here they themselves will rather emigrate from the country by the age of 17 ...

[Kronos]

First, you need to cut off the oxygen to corrupt police officers, judges and officials and only then spoil the lives of others

[Hog]

If he has not served until the age of 28, he is obliged to pay for all free education, incl. school.

And after that, you can not pay taxes either. not at all.

[Astra wild]

And if it touches your son or grandson, what do you say then?

[for]

Quote: Nycomed

Everything is correct, otherwise the "bums" feel at ease. And the fact that you are a "bum" does not mean at all that the debt to the Motherland does not need to be paid

Can start with the sons of the inhabitants of heaven,

[Nycomed]

They must first be lured out of "Foggy Albion" here. But as? They even intend to come here for the funeral.

[gabonskijfront]

Handsome men, this one who bowed his head over the paper looks like me, wants to my mother, in the guise of biblical sadness and doom without the slightest chance, like the Jews in Egyptian captivity.

[armata_armata]

the absence of a registration stamp in the passport or residence not at the place of registration are no longer an obstacle to conscription.

All this is of course good, but how will the military enlistment office look for a conscript if it does not know the address of his residence?

[Hog]

We are told that there are fewer and fewer deviators, but when you look at this law, completely opposite conclusions suggest themselves.

[bogart047]

all that was left was not to let the degenerates into this army, so that normal people would not run away from it like the plague

[antiaircrafter]

Mobresurs LDNR decided to use.
Passports were issued, but no registration.

[Petr7]

Quote: armata_armata

All this is of course good, but how will the military enlistment office look for a conscript if it does not know the address of his residence?

but in no way, if a person CAM has not registered, he will simply be declared an evader and put on the wanted list, and if they find him where, then immediately a prison