Will a national idea save us?

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Passion on the national idea reached the heights of our analytics. Recently, Sergey Karaganov spoke on this topic: “Russia does not have a national goal, and countries that have lost their goal die, this is evidenced by story. This is a big weakness. ”





Sanction Status Quo


According to Karaganov, Russia until recently had a national goal: to regain the status of a great power, and in the 2016 year it reached it, having resisted politically and withstood the economic sanction pressure of the United States and the West after the Bandera coup in Kiev and Russia's response. Now, as it were, the sanction status quo has been established. But today "we are afraid to put forward ideas, the country's leadership does not want ideas ... we are at an impasse for two or three years." That is, today Russia has no goal, no ideas about this goal, no national idea.

Although you can recall the Tsarist Foreign Minister Alexander Gorchakov and repeat after him that "Russia is focusing." But even if she just lives, is that already dangerous? Why is it dangerous? History says that countries without a national goal perish ... I would like examples of such victims. There are probably countries that perished with national ideas, especially if they turned out to be wrong. However, in any case, the question of a national idea needs to be discussed, since it has already stood on the agenda.

История вопроса


The historically closest to us is the Western-born communist international idea, it was the official idea of ​​the USSR, and how did this happen? In 1917, this idea took over the broad masses, became a political force led by Lenin and the Bolshevik party, and conquered Russia during the revolution. Then there was everything: victories and defeats, socialist construction and political repressions, but this idea fulfilled our main mission: with it we defeated Nazi Nazism in 1945, created nuclear and space programs that still ensure Russia's sovereignty.

In 1991, the communist idea collapsed under its own burden, in our opinion, although its supporters have a different opinion on this issue. Here's how to evaluate this idea? She was not indisputable in the 1917 year, but she squeezed her worldview and crushed her bourgeois opponents, she turned out to be utopian, but solved the most difficult issues of protecting and surviving the country in the 20th century. Today it is important for us to keep in mind that the communist idea became national in the course of the acute political struggle in Russia and in the conditions of the global crisis - the First World War.

There were other national ideas in history, in particular, the nationalist right, the antagonists of the international left. The radical nationalist Hitler, together with his party, managed to democratically take power in Germany, in one of the most cultured and educated countries in Europe, and the Nazi ideology of racial and cultural superiority became the national idea of ​​Germany. Morality was officially declared a chimera, and the terror under the slogan "Germany Above All!" Became a daily occurrence. Only at the cost of tremendous efforts was it possible to create an anti-Hitler coalition and defeat this nationalist national idea. Note that the Nazi idea came to power in Germany also in a fierce political struggle, suppressing its leftist communist opponents.

Western countries today speak more about their national interests and certain “democratic values”, national slogan ideas are usually put forward in a journalistic, abstract sense in the form of adherence to “democratic values” of freedom, human rights, and the like, are, in fact, commonplace: “ we are for everything good and against everything bad. " The role of the national idea in the West is really fulfilled by the idea of ​​material well-being, “sausages of thirty varieties,” which is similar to the late Soviet idea of ​​“comprehensively improving the well-being of Soviet people.” In this sense, the philosopher and sociologist A. A. Zinoviev said that the West was offended by Russia for its “barbaric communism” and is building its right market “western communism”, but cannot call it by its real name.

The idea of ​​world domination


Finally, the idea of ​​world domination may be a national idea. We have long suspected and even sometimes say in the public field that the USA and the West have as their real goal the idea of ​​complete world domination, since leadership and dominance in the world no longer satisfy them. For Russia, China and the whole non-Western world, this will mean neocolonial submission, since the national egoistic interests of the United States and the West remain above all. Actually, this conflict is today the main global contradiction. The non-Western world, led by Russia and China, announces that it is fighting for a multipolar world, but in fact is struggling with the establishment of US world domination.

The recent discovery by American political scientist Allison Graham of allegedly global strategy, and since the time of the ancient Greek historian Thucydides, about hegemonic states and candidate states for hegemony, confirms the US strategy for establishing its full world hegemony. Since it theoretically justifies it, it puts forward the thesis of the inevitable “Thucydides trap”, leading to an allegedly armed random collision of the hegemon with the applicants, that is, it justifies the US war with any state.

From this US strategy, the national goal of Russia, and China, and other non-Western countries naturally follows: to resist the aggressive intentions of the hegemon and to build its multipolar world. In the 2016 year, Russia, according to Karaganov, returned to the category of great powers, ensuring its military and economic security, but they need to be constantly confirmed further. As for the construction of a multipolar world, the horse wasn’t lying around here either.

And about Russia


The above concerns more ideas of foreign policy, but what about the domestic? In this sense, the national idea, if possible, should have an important feature: to be universal, to capture all sectors of society from top to bottom, from state employees to elites, and what could be such an idea? Maybe space exploration, the creation of lunar stations, flight to Mars? In development of Tsiolkovsky’s idea of ​​moving people to other planets? Probably, this and similar technogenic ideas, striking in its scale, are today the lot of only enthusiasts. In this sense, we can agree with Karaganov:
“We froze, we don’t know where to move. There is a desire again to roll along the western civilization rails, but you need to go on your rails. "


In our opinion, we need ideas on how to all of us survive in an increasingly insane modern global world that is losing not only morality, but also gender! How in this world not to lag behind others and still remain a person, taking an example from Pushkin, about whom Gogol said that, like Pushkin, a Russian would appear, "maybe in two hundred years." This is necessary for everyone: state employees, officials, military and businessmen, it concerns everyone personally, because today everything is under the threat of turning into a faceless “it”.
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  1. +23
    21 September 2019 05: 48
    Sergey Karaganov: “Russia does not have a national goal, and countries that have lost their goal die, this is evidenced by history. This is a big weakness. ”
    and we have no nationalities on the passport, forgotten? we are all "expensive" ... so there is no idea ... or rather there is, but it is prohibited! Yes even shamans are not spared!
    1. +1
      21 September 2019 05: 57
      Heh. Dear, nation and nationality are completely different concepts. A nation is a concept, first of all, economic, as a people of one economic entity, and nationality is a gender, ethnic concept, but this does not prevent everyone from being a single nation in one state. Hence nationalism in one case and Nazism in another. That is, the difference in the superiority of nationality as a historical kind and nation as a union of different clans in one state. hi
      1. +26
        21 September 2019 06: 31
        «Russia has no national goal, and countries that have lost their target die, this is evidenced by history. This is a big weakness. ”

        The national goal (idea) of Russia does not coincide with the goals of the Russian government. A country whose titular nation is dying out has no future.
        Apparently the VVP team is satisfied with the US formation, that it "drives" all this statehood under a carbon copy.
        1. +30
          21 September 2019 06: 47
          To steal and steal from the country or to steal, lay down in the West and then leave, the idea given by the horseback.
          1. +16
            21 September 2019 07: 37
            Putin in 16 called patriotism national idea of ​​Russia.

            But it is not enough to proclaim the idea so that it conquers the mind and hearts of living people, becomes the meaning of the existence of a nation. The personification of this should be those people who make up our top. Are they patriots? No. Rather, they show everyone another example. This example is one - to row as much as possible for yourself. This is the real idea of ​​modern Russia, embodied in action. Therefore, they steal everywhere and at all levels. And this will not stop until such a tip rules us.
            1. +1
              21 September 2019 10: 26
              People are all different and everyone has different directions, such as lifestyle, work, dreams, etc.
              1. 0
                27 September 2019 15: 38
                Everyone has only one life!
            2. +9
              21 September 2019 11: 24
              Quote: Stas157
              Putin in 16 called patriotism the national idea of ​​Russia.

              Until the year 1953, there was state patriotism in the USSR, but now I don’t know.
              1. +11
                21 September 2019 11: 40
                Quote: tihonmarine
                Until 1953, in the USSR there was state patriotism

                even later. I, after the 17 Congress of the Komsomol, almost left BAM to build
                1. 0
                  21 September 2019 12: 14
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  even later. I, after the 17 Congress of the Komsomol, almost left the BAM system

                  Youth, you got excited.
              2. 0
                27 September 2019 15: 39
                Not patriotism, but a common bright future.
            3. +5
              21 September 2019 13: 13
              We cannot have any idea, either national or any other. Prohibited by constitution.
              1. +2
                6 October 2019 17: 55
                Or maybe Her time to fix it ?! hi
                The bearers of US democracy, they decide. feel
                Yes, and fix it, a trifle. One indigenous people, equal rights and their territory, where there are more (excluding guests, new .... from their national states). This project has long been discussed. recourse And how the incubator steel. wink Many states have this and it is democratic!
                Yes, and the right to get out and occupy government positions, only indigenous. And then the Indians look at Russia and cry: "Well, how are we, after Columbus!" crying
                And to work, guests if necessary (their absence) and in the absence of their unemployed (according to information up to 12 ml.).
                It’s even funny to read belay : "..."US President Donald Trump called on the countries of the world to abandon globalism during a speech at the UN General Assembly, Reuters reports September 24.
                “The free world must include national foundations. He should not try to erase or replace them, ”Trump said from the UN rostrum.
                Trump is confident that "the future does not belong to globalists, the future belongs to patriots, the future belongs to sovereign and independent nations."
                "Wise leaders always put the good of their people and their country first." belay ...... " Yeah! hi
                1. 0
                  7 October 2019 12: 26
                  Alas, to fix this is not a trifle. The first 64 articles are almost impossible to correct.
                  1. +1
                    8 October 2019 13: 45
                    Quote: Herman 4223
                    Alas, to fix this is not a trifle. The first 64 articles are almost impossible to correct.


                    Cancel everything to hell, as written by the CIA
                    1. 0
                      8 October 2019 15: 06
                      USAID, if more precisely, but adopted by popular vote, how to reverse the decision of the people? A referendum is needed.
            4. 0
              22 September 2019 13: 21
              Quote: Stas157
              But it is not enough to proclaim the idea so that it conquers the mind and hearts of living people, becomes the meaning of the existence of a nation.

              But maybe you need to weave the idea into the natural needs of man?
              Even in Russia more than a hundred years ago they expressed: “By virtue of its unconditional significance, a person represents that last moral foundation, which first of all should be protected in every generation and in every era as a source and goal of progress, as an image and a way to realize an absolute ideal. It should never be seen as a means to social harmony; on the contrary, this harmony itself is only one of the means for fulfilling the tasks of the individual and can be accepted and approved only to the extent that it contributes to this goal. ”
            5. 0
              23 September 2019 11: 26
              If an idea is winning people's minds, then it is definitely not a national one!
              The idea must live in the minds of people.
              It makes no sense to make unrealistic fantasies an idea.
              The national idea should be a goal realized in 10 ÷ 15 years, and maybe for a shorter period.
              I would suggest, as an idea, let's say a social state, where education, medicine are free, where people have equal rights and opportunities ....
            6. +2
              24 September 2019 16: 26
              Quote: Stas157
              And this will not stop until such a tip rules us.

              this is because you have Putin. whether it’s in the Ukraine! A quarter of a century "peremog", starting with the founding father!
          2. 0
            22 September 2019 12: 59
            Quote: Pessimist22
            To steal and steal from the country or to steal, lay down in the West and then leave, the idea given by the horseback.

            good right thought, but it must be continued. After all, the idea appeared not from scratch, for it there are prerequisites. The easiest way to say is that unworthy people are pushed into the elite, but this is not serious. This means to declare that conditions have been created in society for the nomination of people of this kind. So they have the features that most fully meet the criteria presented by society.
      2. +3
        21 September 2019 08: 29
        and nationality is a gender, ethnic,


        Well, you turned down dear, or I do not understand well the word "gender" in Russian. Gender, se x is a gender designation in English. Everywhere the masculine gender was designated as "se x" (male, female), and now it is more politically correct to designate sex or its variants (Darwin chuckles) as gender. What connection between gender and nationality I do not understand ... laughing
        1. -1
          21 September 2019 11: 28
          Quote: Keyser Soze
          and now it’s more politically correct to designate gender or its varieties (Darwin laughs) as gender. What is the connection between gender and nationality, I do not understand.

          Yes ! a mine cannot be comprehended, said the ancient Ukr looking at the shovel.
      3. 0
        21 September 2019 11: 22
        Quote: siberalt
        Hence nationalism in one case and Nazism in another.

        National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus), better known as Nazism, is the official political ideology in Nazi Germany, which is a form of fascism with elements of racism and anti-Semitism. At the beginning of the 21 century, Nazis gained (second wind) spread in other countries, the idea of ​​Nazism was reanimated, summed up in the framework of modernity, but it is still alive. Nationalism, on the other hand, is more an idea of ​​a mono nation, that is, the superiority of an indigenous nation over others, it also now has a great upsurge in countries of limitrophes and small countries.
    2. +21
      21 September 2019 08: 07
      According to Karaganov, Russia until recently had a national goal: to regain the status of a great power, and in the 2016 year it achieved it, having stood politically and withstood the economic sanction pressure of the USA and the West

      According to Karaganov, Afghanistan is also a great power, Afghanistan did not win .. he resisted, under the pressure of various great countries, the DPRK, Cuba, Venezuela - they all withstood or are under sanction pressure, but they cannot be called great powers .. like modern Russia .
      But in essence, I agree, we need an idea, but we don’t need to invent it, we need to return to the ideas of socialism and everyone will be happy.
      In corporate-oligarchic-capitalist Russia, no idea will take root .. except for the one professed by current officials, judges and effective managers ...
      1. +18
        21 September 2019 08: 44
        The capitalist-oligarch-corporations have the idea of ​​their own enrichment for life in the West. They try to hide it and hide behind conversations about the national idea. For ordinary people who live off wage labor ------- only a socialist idea can be a national idea. They can’t be connected, no matter what the terms are. These are opposites.
        Quote: Svarog
        According to Karaganov, Russia until recently had a national goal: to regain the status of a great power, and in the 2016 year it achieved it, having stood politically and withstood the economic sanction pressure of the USA and the West
        ........But in essence, I agree, we need an idea, but we don’t need to invent it, we need to return to the ideas of socialism and everyone will be happy.
        In corporate-oligarchic-capitalist Russia, no idea will take root .. ...
        1. xax
          +4
          22 September 2019 02: 50
          Quote: Reptiloid
          For ordinary people who live off wage labor ------- only a socialist idea can be a national idea.

          This is not a national idea of ​​"ordinary people", but an international one.
          Will you argue?
      2. 0
        21 September 2019 08: 52
        Quote: Svarog
        Afghanistan didn’t win .. he resisted, under pressure from various great countries, the DPRK, Cuba, Venezuela - they all withstood or are still under sanction pressure, but they cannot be called great powers

        All these countries have resisted thanks to the help of other countries, either the USA, or Russia, or China.
        Quote: Svarog
        but you don’t need to invent it, you need to return to the ideas of socialism and everyone will have happiness

        Until the next adjustment. Chinese scenario at best
      3. +5
        21 September 2019 09: 10
        Quote: Svarog
        In corporate-oligarchic-capitalist Russia, no idea will take root ..

        In Russia, there are already ideas that do not fit into a normal head. "The Doctrine of Energy Security of the Russian Federation of May 13, 2019 sees challenges and threats to energy security in the replacement of petroleum products with other types of energy resources, the development of energy conservation and energy efficiency." https://www.garant.ru/products/ipo/prime/doc/72140884/ Any good idea, leaning against such an idea of ​​our authorities, will simply die on the vine.
        1. -6
          21 September 2019 10: 30
          And what's so, solar and wind power plants have been diligently being built with us over the past 6 years.
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        2. 0
          21 September 2019 22: 36
          And let them develop - they won’t be able to refuse from oil and gas, since there is a lot of this fuel and they don’t have equivalent fuel.
          1. +1
            22 September 2019 00: 24
            "Despite the fact that in the next 10-15 years the hydrocarbon character of the world energy will remain, and the world's reserves will last for tens of more, and in the case of coal, for hundreds of years, the era of hydrocarbons, especially oil, is coming to an end. Two global trends - decarbonization and energy efficiency gains are gaining momentum everywhere. " https://energy.s-kon.ru/dekarbonizatsiya-i-povyshenie-energoeffektivnosti-nabirayut-oboroty/ "The new long-term strategy of the European Commission states that reducing dependence on fossil fuels - mainly oil and gas - will save € 2 -3 trillion from 2031-2050 through reduced imports ".https: //aftershock.news/? Q = node / 706973 & full
            1. 0
              22 September 2019 17: 44
              You have probably forgotten that oil is used to make fuel: oil, rubber, plastics, composite materials with the widest range of applications, in all areas - so the era of oil does not end, it will continue for a very long time, it will be constantly mined and explored.
              1. 0
                22 September 2019 19: 58
                Plastic already has problems. "The European Parliament in the first reading approved a directive to completely ban 10 types of single-use plastics, including bags, plates, spoons, forks, knives, straws, fishing tackle and coffee stirrers." In Europe alone, the volume of these products is $ 1 trillion. https://habr.com/ru/company/pochtoy/blog/427817/ "At the end of January 2019, an extremely important event took place in Europe - manufacturers were strictly prohibited from using microplastics. Now small particles of polymers, which are part of many materials, from fabrics to chewing gum are outlawed. But experts have established that the most affected by this ban ... companies producing cosmetics. It is the manufacturers of beauty products that will have to invest the most in the search for a biologically safe alternative to microplastics. https: // news .rambler.ru / other / 42414317 /? utm_content = rnews & utm_medium = read_more & utm_source = copylink
      4. +4
        21 September 2019 16: 45
        Quote: Svarog
        Afghanistan didn’t win .. he resisted, under pressure from various great countries, the DPRK, Cuba, Venezuela - they all withstood or are still under sanction pressure

        as the invaders see poppy fields, so their roof goes ... not until "victories" becomes ...
      5. xax
        +2
        22 September 2019 02: 50
        Quote: Svarog
        will return to the ideas of socialism

        Internationalism also return?
    3. +4
      21 September 2019 08: 20
      and we do not have nationalities on the passport, forgot?


      Boh, you are mine and all the saints - and yet we do not have such. Now I read your post, went and looked at my Bulgarian ID card (there are no passports for ten years) and was numb - but there is no nationality there .....
      1. +3
        21 September 2019 16: 46
        Quote: Keyser Soze
        and we do not have nationalities on the passport, forgot?


        Boh, you are mine and all the saints - and yet we do not have such. Now I read your post, went and looked at my Bulgarian ID card (there are no passports for ten years) and was numb - but there is no nationality there .....

        about Bulgaria, just keep quiet.
      2. xax
        +2
        22 September 2019 02: 52
        You have no conscience there in Bulgaria
    4. +9
      21 September 2019 08: 30
      What is the national idea. If they are trying to replace "Russian" (82% of the population of the Russian Federation) with "Russian" ???
      National idea should be !! ::::::
      -one for everyone
      -uniting the peoples of Russia. regardless of origin. nationality. faith and the class (!) position and ideology of the state and its individual groups
      - indicating that guiding star where Russia seeks ..
      -the basis of their requests of society at this stage of its development. and not be imposed from above ..
    5. +17
      21 September 2019 09: 02
      The government has no national idea; please do not confuse them with the Russian population.
      1. +6
        21 September 2019 09: 54
        Quote: Thrifty
        The government has no national idea; please do not confuse them with the Russian population.

        hi To paraphrase more precisely, the state of the Russian Federation in the person of its powerful representatives does not have a national idea, and not in a country called Russia and its people.
        1. +7
          21 September 2019 17: 18
          Quote: DEPHIHTO
          Quote: Thrifty
          The government has no national idea; please do not confuse them with the Russian population.

          hi To paraphrase more precisely, the state of the Russian Federation in the person of its powerful representatives does not have a national idea, and not in a country called Russia and its people.

          I will object! that is, an objection! that is ... the "powerful" have ideas! here is the proof:
          In one of the kindergartens of the Komi Republic, the grand opening of new windows and balcony doors took place!
          In honor of the installation of six new windows and twelve balcony doors, red ribbons were cut in a festive atmosphere. The opening ceremony was attended by local officials, kindergarten management and representatives of the parent committee.
          Given the features of using windows and doors, they can be solemnly opened many times a day
          ishsho: In Novokuznetsk it is so boring that they solemnly celebrate the installation of a garbage can
          ishsho: Mirny settlement, Tver Region, on the Village Day, an object was opened under the Local Initiatives Support Program (PPMI).
          22 container platforms are installed that meet all modern requirements.
          As part of a program to support local initiatives in the village of Goritsy, Kimrsky District, a site for the collection of municipal solid waste was equipped.
          The other day, under the windows of an old house in a green meadow, a small patch of land was poured with concrete and surrounded on three sides with a fence made of corrugated board. In the near future, the heroes of the occasion - containers, will take their honorable places.

          news from a prosperous power
          I still haven't posted it from the site "made by us" ...
          1. 0
            21 September 2019 18: 07
            This is not news - but everyday squabbles and graters.
          2. +3
            21 September 2019 18: 28
            laughing The national idea of ​​a dumpster? Very short-term, if you look at the neighbors who shoved officials into containers .. winked
        2. +4
          21 September 2019 20: 09
          Exactly. In EBN times, the idea of ​​SEARCH was also fashionable. And under the guise of seizing public property, killing, “dear Russians,” in the Caucasus, sending authorities over the hill, Slavic girls to the panel ... Those are SEARCHERS! Everything has long been known about the Russian Idea. This is for eternal ,, threesomes ,, life ,, full of discoveries ,,. ,, Moscow - Third Rome ,, What is not clear to anyone? This task is not set by people. And not to people (and especially not to bad people and not villains) to discuss or cancel it. The task is carried out, not discussed, deliberately delaying the execution. If Moscow does not meet its mission, it will be as it has already been more than once. The next tamerlan, Napoleon and Hitler will spoil the triplets ,, holiday of life ,,
          1. -2
            21 September 2019 22: 41
            Moscow just meets its purpose - at the moment, together with the region, it is an economic donor for the regions, since it has 30 trillion GDP every year - you think that people come here from all over Russia and the world.
            1. +2
              23 September 2019 11: 30
              Well, of course, a donor, I collected everything from all over the country ...
              It's ridiculously simple.
  2. +23
    21 September 2019 06: 04
    . In 1991 year the communist idea collapsed under its own weight

    Not the idea collapsed, but its carriers. Everything is in order with ideas. Take it if you want and use it.
    Communist China, next to each year, is increasingly turning into an economic and military giant.
    . she was utopian
    Socialism was also once a utopia. However, the USSR denied this by its existence.
    1. -21
      21 September 2019 06: 51
      Do not tell me where on the map of the USSR is located?
      1. +23
        21 September 2019 06: 57
        Quote: Pessimist22
        Do not tell me where on the map of the USSR is located?

        If the USSR is not on the map now, then do you consider its existence utopian, like our whole history, the achievements associated with this period?

        We had a glorious period of life under socialism. Russia in its entire history has never risen so high. I hope this experience will be repeated.
        1. +13
          21 September 2019 07: 07
          Our bourgeois authorities use our history and the achievements of socialism to enrich ourselves, we can only remember and be proud of what our fathers and mothers created and profiled.
          1. +19
            21 September 2019 07: 14
            The main achievement of socialism is that it has shown that this is possible. Now we are down a notch in our development. But this does not mean at all that we cannot repeat this experience again. It will be easier already, because this experience has already been.
            1. +9
              21 September 2019 07: 34
              How can power and assets without blood be taken from the capitalists?
              1. +12
                21 September 2019 07: 50
                Quote: Pessimist22
                How can power and assets without blood be taken from the capitalists?

                In the Donbass was a sad experience. All people's commanders, whom Donbass followed, were first removed, and then cleaned up. They called it anarchy and freemen. They had only one trouble - they wanted to nationalize all property, to make it public. Did not work out.
                1. 0
                  21 September 2019 07: 59
                  Thank you for the information about the Donbass, but even without you I know perfectly well what happened there, you didn’t give an answer to my question, say that we can repeat socialism, and how do not say, according to the old scheme, to take and divide?
                  1. +3
                    21 September 2019 08: 18
                    Quote: Pessimist22
                    you didn’t give an answer to my question, say that we can repeat socialism, and how do not say

                    The transition from one formation to another is already a historical process that can be observed as it was. From feudalism to capitalism passed both by revolution and by evolution. The transition to socialism is probably also possible in two ways. The exact recipe for how it will be, no one will give you in advance.
                    Quote: Pessimist22
                    according to the old scheme, subtract and divide?

                    Are you more comfortable when 1% of drones owns 75% of national wealth?
                  2. -3
                    21 September 2019 10: 16
                    Quote: Pessimist22
                    repeat socialism, but how do not say, according to the old scheme, to take away and divide?

                    Sociopaths in Russia are the main threat to our existence. There is a problem - it will be solved. How? There is nothing to invent, options to choose from: parasites are either expelled or crushed (the death option for the body does not count). The only question is to find out whether the body needs treatment? This is not a problem of one person, but of the people, collectively and will be solved.
                    Technically, blood and destruction are not acceptable. If the current situation is formalized by laws, it means that we are diversifying it with laws. And do not even immediately nationalize everything. But it is imperative that the laws unfold the flows of resources for the recovery of both the individual and the collective organism. New environmental legislation with the task of bloodlessly restoring the organic nature of society and environmental health (by taxing the entropy discharge into the population and nature, gradually regain the attitude to the decile coefficient in 3-6, revision of the mechanisms and results of the economic activity of the liberal period with lustration on primary capital). To link anti-dissimilation legislation with this in time - the restoration of healthy membranes with the outside world, which does not allow the washing out of VEI (recall the experience of the economist Bernatsky a hundred years ago). Of course, everything is for his army. The need for a mobilization regime is looming. The problem with those who had time to taste and be satisfied with Western values ​​(freedom from social obligations). The choice seems to be simple - either sink further, or swim up.
                    What is needed is not a national idea, but the creation of a new national image, a way of relationships with others - competitive! This is teamwork and creativity, it’s stupid to hope for individuals, for the president, for “genius”.
                  3. +2
                    21 September 2019 21: 46
                    There was such a period in the history of Russia ... He was called the “triumphal procession of Soviet power”. From the fall of 1917 to the spring of 1918. They themselves gave everything not blather. ,, Cat feels, whose meat is eaten ,,. The world big bourgeoisie was frightened (a part of which is ordinary nonhumans ,,) and unleashed the Civil War in Russia, setting the Czechoslovakians literally like dogs. Promising them ,, golden mountains ,,. Most Russian officers supported their people. Having forgiven the flash of accumulated hatred of a century and a half to the "upper classes". Associated with their unwillingness to conscientiously work for the good of the Fatherland (since the second half of the 16th century). Metropolitan Fedchenkov once clearly said: “Yes, I served on the side of the whites, but the truth was on the side of the reds ,, (not verbatim). ,, Trotskyists ,, and their ,, pranks ,,? So ,, scum ,, ... The soul of even a bad man knows where the truth is. Therefore, even now, the clever fools who seized the national property, the capital is trying to keep over the hill. Slightly ,, fried smell, all will give up a penny. Just to keep your skin
                  4. 0
                    23 September 2019 11: 34
                    And what do you dislike about this workflow? To take away what belonged to everyone and became the property of the elect is fair and absolutely normal. And if they do not want to do it voluntarily, then whose fault is it?
              2. -3
                21 September 2019 10: 46
                How it is possible to take power and assets from the capitalists - On what basis there are a lot of guys in all areas of production - what you offer is a raider seizure after such an enterprise goes bankrupt and disappears because the new managers who arrived did not know how to conduct business, they simply bankrupted and dumped them.
                1. +4
                  21 September 2019 15: 32
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  How it is possible to take power and assets from the capitalists - On what basis are there many guys in all areas of production - what you offer is a raider seizure

                  Do not confuse the sour with the mild - the nationalization of the entrained bowels and stolen from the people (state) in the 90 enterprises is not a raider seizure, because it will serve the whole country and not one or a bunch of bourgeois egoists. If you have just such an enterprise, then you have something to worry about. If not, then relax. And yes, it will be difficult to do without blood, the only question is its volume. Several years ago, Prokhorov, a bourgeois, had already threatened live, saying that the whole country would wash itself with blood when reviewing the results of privatization; negative
                  1. -6
                    21 September 2019 18: 56
                    What kind of subsoil, what are you going to nationalize there - 300 billion rubles left by Rosneft and 500 billion rubles from Gazprom, this money is needed for the development of oil and gas production companies and other related things - or decided to take all the shares from all shareholders - people paid money for them. "They say the whole country will be washed in blood when revising the results of privatization" - You have already thought of it yourself - And in general, where did you get that someone owes you from the state - you expect that you will get some freebies from this nationalization - I hasten to break you off with this money, and there, from all our mining companies - it will be possible to scrape together just 1,5 trillion rubles, you will not see a penny.
                2. 0
                  23 September 2019 11: 38
                  That's why you need to act not clumsily, but wisely. It will not be difficult to write a technology for transferring to state ownership. It will take more time, but there will be no catastrophic losses.
              3. +6
                21 September 2019 16: 41
                None. Only by force. Good - no one will give back the loot. It is obvious. Further conclusions are obvious.
                1. +4
                  21 September 2019 16: 50
                  Quote: paul3390
                  None. Only by force. Good - no one will give back the loot. It is obvious. Further conclusions are obvious.
                  Duck never gave ...
                2. -7
                  21 September 2019 18: 58
                  Forced - you prove from the beginning that it really is looted.
                  1. +3
                    23 September 2019 11: 41
                    What is there to prove? All large chunks of the economy, mainly natural resources and processing, were privatized as a result of the Chubais scam.
          2. +16
            21 September 2019 07: 36
            our fathers and mothers profiled.
            Well, I profiled. And that the current government is based on lies. then they lied at the end of 80x, they lied 90е and they are lying now. At least we can compare. and do not give in to lies.
          3. -7
            21 September 2019 18: 41
            "The achievements of socialism, are used by the current bourgeois" - And what? The auto industry is mainly of foreign brands localized in Russia, the situation is similar - no one has been producing Soviet machines for a long time, however, like the entire product line in all areas: electronics, computers, tools, new equipment, civil aviation, mainly Boeings and Airbuses, but also our SuperJet 100 the same takes place in the amount of 189 pieces, wagons, diesel locomotives and electric locomotives are renewed every year, oil production equipment ceased to be produced in the 90s, they bought foreign ones and only recently began to make their fluids drilling rigs, cranes and other components, as well as technique. The USSR did not become 30 years ago, since then everything has changed, new materials, CAD systems, equipment and technologies have appeared - I have left from the achievements of socialism: the restored grandfather Volga GAZ 21, literature, a service, four cameras, a few watches, two rifles, one of them, the rifled one 35 years old, nothing else, from the processing tool one P18 cutter made in Czechoslovakia can be placed under glass, like all of the above - otherwise everything is foreign and Russian-made and built.
            1. -4
              21 September 2019 22: 45
              The bonds of socialism have long been destroyed, and little is left of them - the eternal does not exist. Is it possible that only one DPRK is holding on - but most likely it will not be long, with what is going on there, is left.
              1. 0
                28 September 2019 00: 53
                Quote: Vadim237
                The bonds of socialism have long been destroyed and little is left of them.

                That's just you effective managers just hear something about communism and socialism, immediately a hysterical screech from you such that it lays ears.
            2. 0
              23 September 2019 11: 49
              The current technological lag is not a reason to tear your hair out and scream everything is gone. Yes, the incompetent economic policy of the current government is obvious. This government does not have creative power and they are trying to pull it everywhere and little by little. Then they wonder why it doesn’t grow on our soil ... Well, the guys have no heads.
              Old bonds are destroyed, but new ones, taking into account errors, can be built and there is nothing impossible in this. Life is so arranged.
            3. 0
              28 September 2019 00: 51
              Quote: Vadim237
              And what?

              Engineering schools, basic and applied science, nuclear energy and much more. And what did you create a miserable epigone?
              1. 0
                8 October 2019 13: 52
                Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                Quote: Vadim237
                And what?

                Engineering schools, basic and applied science, nuclear energy and much more. And what did you create a miserable epigone?



                and he builds his personal happiness on the stolen
        2. +5
          21 September 2019 07: 44
          [/ quote] [quote = Stas157] We had a glorious period of life under socialism. Russia in its entire history has never risen so high. I hope this experience will be repeated.

          I really hope that this will not be an experience.
      2. +12
        21 September 2019 11: 42
        Quote: Pessimist22
        Do not tell me where on the map of the USSR is located?

        he is not on the map, but the USSR is alive until the last person who remembers him. Then, already this big country will become a fairy tale.
    2. +12
      21 September 2019 07: 33
      Take and use.
      I agree with this, but the fact that China Communist strongly doubt it. But in order for this idea to take effect, you need to start small, comply with 7 article of the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
      1. -5
        21 September 2019 08: 47
        Quote: Gardamir
        7 article of the Constitution of the Russian Federation.

        What is wrong with her? laughing

        "The Constitution of the Russian Federation. Article 7.
        1. The Russian Federation is a social state whose policy is aimed at creating conditions that ensure decent life and free human development.
        2. The Russian Federation protects the work and health of people, establishes a guaranteed minimum wage, provides state support for family, motherhood, fatherhood and childhood, disabled people and the elderly, develops a system of social services, establishes state pensions, benefits and other guarantees of social protection. .. "


        I do not understand the term, what is worthy life. Is it possible to consider the life of a happy homeless person worthy or the life of an unhappy Sobchak - not worthy?
        And the rest is more or less normal.
        1. +10
          21 September 2019 11: 45
          Quote: Boris55
          The Russian Federation protects labor and human health,

          and there are not enough doctors, primary care is not available, which even the GDP said, "this is a disaster." So how does the government protect health?
          Quote: Boris55
          The Russian Federation is a social state whose policy is aimed at creating conditions ensuring a decent life

          judging by the pensions and salaries of most of the country. The Russian Federation creates conditions for a decent life for the Rotenbergs, the Sechins, law enforcement officers and no more
      2. 0
        21 September 2019 10: 48
        In China, only the Communist Party - the whole market economy.
    3. -9
      21 September 2019 10: 38
      "Socialism was once a utopia too. However, the USSR refuted this by its existence." He refuted so well that from the beginning of the 80s it became bankrupt, and at the end it finally went bankrupt and collapsed, rather showed that socialism and a planned economy are two components in a mixture that are degrading.
      1. +8
        21 September 2019 13: 36
        Betrayal of the party elite, that's what the USSR ruined. Other reasons are the consequences of betrayal. https://youtu.be/D3RH8bJuHkg
        1. -7
          21 September 2019 13: 47
          Where did the USSR get the money from? The maximum export was 150 billion dollars, with more than 3 trillion rubles of GDP, in 1989 with GDP 2,9 trillion rubles, all 54 billion dollars were exported. In the 1970 year, oil accounted for 15% of all exports in 1987- 46%.
          1. +9
            21 September 2019 13: 57
            The USSR did not print money on the basis of the dollar mass as it is now and therefore did not depend on exports. The USSR lived off the domestic market.
            1. -5
              21 September 2019 19: 30
              Only for some reason in the 80s it stopped working - "It did not depend on exports. The USSR lived off the domestic market." Well, yes - with what money he bought foreign equipment, not with money from oil supplies for export and when purchasing grain he paid in gold, starting in 1953, when the treasury had 2500 tons in 1991, 290 tons remained - and there was also an unequal barter and a half peace we give them construction of socialism technology weapons food means they give us fruit loyalty and other low-value products - and I don’t need to rub shit about "self-sufficiency" in the country, the constant shortage of everything: meat, wheat, cars, fabric, materials, tools, even fasteners When who then he has a large amount of money with him trying to produce something, sell and still support others, having from what he does the minimum - then this kavot, they begin to run out of money to support everyone and this someone eventually becomes bankrupt - This is what happened with He tried to keep everyone in the USSR at the same time: friendly regimes, his numerous enterprises - some of which worked only at a disadvantage, a huge military-industrial complex, so he is overstrained - the money ran out stupid and its collapse began even before the arrival of Gorbachev in the early 80s, interethnic clashes and skirmishes had already begun both in the Baltic States and in the Caucasus - Gorbachev was simply a catalyst for these events.
              1. +4
                21 September 2019 21: 25
                I’ll even tell you more in 1985 gold, there were also 2500 tons, the USSR 14% of world GDP. I produced the main types of goods and equipment myself. Of course, something was bought abroad, and yes for the currency. But this was not the basis of the Soviet economy. Watch less on TV.
                1. -2
                  21 September 2019 23: 07
                  They bought everything abroad - from consumer goods to machinery, equipment and food, the same. “I’ll tell you even more in 1985 there was also 2500 tons of gold” - And I’ll give you a real documented figure - 790 tons, the maximum that was there in 1985. I described to you what happened to the USSR - measure the truth, but the fact that it had a GDP of 14% of the world, so the USSR included 15 countries - it is not necessary to release unnecessary trash to anyone at the expense of a big mind, the idea was that "No it is important what to release - the main thing to release "on this the same great pierce. A real example of the fact that some of the enterprises were deliberately unprofitable is their disappearance during the 90s and early 2000s, if they had really demanded and competitive products, they would have survived and still work - Russia has many such enterprises. AvtoVAZ as an example of unprofitable production, in order to make it profitable, it was necessary to shovel the entire plant and invest tens of billions of rubles, as well as attract foreigners - everything turned out, he began to make a profit and no longer produce buckets with bolts.
                  1. +1
                    21 September 2019 23: 47
                    We bought what was considered necessary. But it was not due to export that the Soviet economy was formed. The effectiveness of a planned economy is another matter. Somewhere there are pluses, there are problems associated with it. I am not a supporter of the official at the enterprise, because, he is not personally interested in its effectiveness, the official has a plan and he persecutes him.
                    1. -1
                      22 September 2019 17: 48
                      "But the Soviet economy was not formed at the expense of exports." This was the stalemate mistake of the USSR, it actually did not earn anything.
                  2. 0
                    28 September 2019 00: 59
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    A real example of the fact that some enterprises were obviously unprofitable is their disappearance during the 90s and early 2000s if they had really demanded and competitive products, they would survive and work until now - there are many such enterprises in Russia.

                    But the drain of markets, including their own, the destruction of the country with the loss of a bunch of consumers and other destruction of technological chains, it certainly has nothing to do with it?
          2. +5
            21 September 2019 16: 51
            Quote: Vadim237
            Where did the USSR get the money from -

            illiterate trolling ... fool
            1. -1
              21 September 2019 19: 33
              It was a question.
      2. +1
        23 September 2019 11: 52
        You can see, the designer has never worked, and accordingly it is difficult for you to understand the process of becoming a product.
        The USSR proved the possibility of its existence, and if you finish some things, you get an excellent system.
  3. +11
    21 September 2019 06: 09
    Mind does not understand Russia,
    No yardstick to measure:
    She has a special feature -
    You can only believe in Russia.
    FI Tyutchev

    Russia is the only country in which there is a certain substance called the "intelligentsia", which is tormented by two eternal questions: "who is to blame" and "what to do." At the same time, this "intelligentsia" itself does not know how to do anything and does not want to, and is looking for the guilty everywhere except itself.
    1. 0
      21 September 2019 06: 19
      The Russian intelligentsia is not a substance, but a way of thinking of the most educated and advanced part of the people. And this is a unique phenomenon of our culture. But after the October Revolution, this concept was also given utilitarian significance. What is not good.
      1. +5
        21 September 2019 06: 43
        The Russian intelligentsia is not a substance, but a way of thinking of the most educated and advanced part of the people

        Have you ever heard a "French, German or even Ethiopian" intellectual? Intellectual (philosopher, engineer, writer, etc.) - yes.
    2. +4
      21 September 2019 06: 24
      Quote: Amateur
      Mind does not understand Russia,
      No yardstick to measure:
      She has a special feature -
      You can only believe in Russia.
      FI Tyutchev

      Russia is the only country in which there is a certain substance called "intelligentsia".

      Why then did you bring Tyutchev’s poems, he is also an intellectual. Alas, unfortunately now in Russia there is no such concept and, accordingly, that layer of society. Perhaps that is why in Russia there is a crisis of national ideas.
      1. -1
        21 September 2019 06: 27
        Tyutchev is not an intellectual, but a poet. An intellectual is bulk, Ksyusha Sobchak, any sable and others like them. "At the same time, this" intelligentsia "itself does not know how to do anything and does not want to, and is looking for the guilty everywhere, except for itself."
        1. +12
          21 September 2019 06: 39
          Quote: Amateur
          Tyutchev is not an intellectual, but a poet. An intellectual is a bulk, Ksenia Sobchak, any sable and others like them.

          The intelligentsia is the concept of the 19 century. The Russian intelligentsia included decent, highly educated people with a developed intellect, high internal culture. Sobchak and Navalny are certainly not intellectuals.
          1. -1
            21 September 2019 06: 47
            The intelligentsia is the concept of the 19 century. The Russian intelligentsia included decent, highly educated people with a developed intellect, high internal culture.

            And Herzen?
            If anyone remembers, in the first half of the nineteenth century the Decembrists woke Herzen. As soon as his eyes widened, the awakened rushed to the West for money. Having found the required, and in very considerable quantities, he finally calmed down, settled in Nice, and took up what he was actually paid for, that is, he began to pour mud on his former homeland. (From Ineta)
          2. +1
            21 September 2019 07: 50
            Quote: Stas157
            The Russian intelligentsia included decent, highly educated people with a developed intellect, high internal culture.

            One could give an analysis of the modern phenomenon, which is becoming increasingly pathological in nature. This is Russophobia of some Russian people ... Previously, they told us, and they really believed that in Russia they hate lawlessness, lack of freedom of the press, etc. etc., what exactly is the indisputable presence of all this in it that they like Europe ... And now what do we see? As Russia, seeking more freedom, asserts itself more and more, the dislike of these gentlemen only intensifies. They never hated previous institutions so much as they hate modern trends in social thought in Russia. As for Europe, as we see, no violations in the field of justice, morality, and even civilization have in the least reduced their disposition towards it ... In a word, in the phenomenon I am talking about, there can be no question of principles as such only instincts ...
            (Tyutchev)
        2. +4
          21 September 2019 07: 12
          You have listed the "cream of society" for "hamsters". Shameless curses, is it the intelligentsia now?
        3. +10
          21 September 2019 07: 41
          An intellectual is
          doctors and teachers. And Ksyusha and Lyuba is a bohemian, which the current government has elevated to the level of rich merchants.
          1. -1
            21 September 2019 09: 29
            Doctors and teachers are intellectuals. An intellectual is an abusive word.
            They asked Lev Gumilyov: do you attribute yourself to the intelligentsia? Gumilev took off in his chair and shouted: God forbid, your mother. I am not an intellectual, I have a profession
        4. +6
          21 September 2019 08: 12
          Quote: Amateur
          An intellectual is a bulk, Ksenia Sobchak, any sable and others like them.

          Well, you have found whom to attribute to the intelligentsia ...
    3. +2
      21 September 2019 07: 56
      Quote: Amateur
      Russia is the only country in which there is a certain substance called "intelligentsia"

      From a letter from Lenin to A. M. Gorky, sent on September 15 of 1919 to Petrograd:
      The intellectual forces of the workers and peasants are growing and gaining strength in the struggle to overthrow the bourgeoisie and its accomplices, intellectuals, and lackeys of capital, who consider themselves to be the brains of the nation. In fact, it is not the brain, but g ...
      1. 0
        21 September 2019 08: 04
        Bravo!
        Those who studied in the Soviet school know these words from the class 5-6.
        In a word, read the classics ...
  4. +4
    21 September 2019 06: 27
    An idea is just one of the tools of government. If you put it at the forefront, sooner or later it will turn into a dogma and begin to not correspond to the realities of life.
    1. +4
      21 September 2019 06: 38
      Do not confuse government with government. To control the state, it is not an idea that is needed, but a coercion of the people through violence to fulfill the tasks of the ruling class for the sake of enriching it by appropriating the labor of workers. The people need the idea so that the ruling class does not repair chaos for it, but as an enlightenment in the future and faith that children will not die in poverty.
      1. -3
        21 September 2019 06: 40
        Quote: siberalt
        For government, you need not an idea, but coercion of the people through violence

        Any state is an instrument of coercion, otherwise it simply is not necessary
        Quote: siberalt
        to fulfill the tasks of the ruling class for the sake of enriching it

        The ruling class - in the sense of the Communist Party.
  5. +9
    21 September 2019 06: 58
    In fact - there is an idea, to grab money as much as possible, as quickly as possible, as easily as possible. And everything will be fine with you. Examples of Serdyukov and others call for precisely this. But learn from examples.
    1. +5
      21 September 2019 16: 56
      Quote: Van 16
      In fact - there is an idea, to grab money as much as possible, as quickly as possible, as easily as possible. And everything will be fine with you. Examples of Serdyukov and others call for precisely this. But learn from examples.

      Kremlin head Vladimir Putin says Russia cannot have any other unifying idea than patriotism
      “This is a national idea. We have no and cannot have any other unifying idea except patriotism,” he said during a meeting with entrepreneurs.

      According to the Russian president, if all Russians are patriots, then comfort and prosperity await them.

      "Because if this is the case, every citizen will live better. And there will be more prosperity, and it will be more comfortable, etc. This is the national idea," Putin assured, noting that this idea is not ideologized, not related to work party or some kind of social structure.
      chota ryu ... laughing https://nv.ua/world/countries/putin-rasskazal-kakova-natsionalnaja-ideja-rossii-95141.html
  6. +2
    21 September 2019 07: 09
    The national idea is a guiding star.
    The national idea is binding braces.
    The national idea is a thread from the past to the present, and the future.
    Neither intellectuals nor intellectuals can be carriers of a national idea.
    White - black, right - left, day - night - this is an intellectual.
    Good - bad, good - evil, necessary - not necessary - this is an intellectual.
    Thus, there is a constant uncompromising, and useless struggle that does not benefit the people.

    From the great and the complex, to the simple and affordable.
    The national idea determines the overall strategy and ways to achieve it.
    Not the fact that the goal is achieved in the life of one generation. But this is not required.
    The idea is to capture the masses and not cause rejection.
    The idea must resonate in every soul.

    The idea should be perceived at the level of "vision, breathing, heartbeat."
    Then everyone will remember about her.
    Otherwise, vegetation and death.
    Or just death.
  7. +2
    21 September 2019 07: 21
    These "Karaganovs" are lying about the absence of national ideology in Russia. But why are they lying? To begin with, let's figure out what a nation and national ideology are and what their goal is. The concept of a nation is fundamentally associated not with ethnoculture, but primarily with the state, as a social institution for managing the population within the designated boundaries. In Russia, the majority of the population mistakenly understands nation и nationality has different understandings. A nation is identification with the state of Russia (that's why we hear from the "top" - dear Russians), and nationality, derived from the word "nation", is defined as the identification of individuals with a certain ethnocultural group (for example - Russians, Uzbeks, Armenians, Chuvash etc.). Moreover, many ethnic groups do not belong to the indigenous peoples of Russia. Such a "confusion" in the minds of the population of the former USSR occurred due to the fact that we forgot that the USSR was created as an association of "ethnocultural independent states" - united, led and directed by a single political organization - the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. But the USSR collapsed due to the collapse of the CPSU, which "cemented" the union of ethnocultural states. Thus, speaking about the national idea, ethnic groups and the state should not be confused. A NATION IS FIRST OF THE ENTIRE STATE, RESPECTLY AND THE NATIONAL IDEA (OR THE GOAL OF DEVELOPMENT) IS THE IDEA OF THE RULING POLITICAL ELITE AT THE MOMENT !!!! That is why these "Karaganovs" are lying. The national idea (like the idea of ​​the ruling elite) has always existed. The Yeltsin period of Russia is a national idea - building a "consumer society in the world market system" on the ideology of American globalism. But the "beautiful wrapper" of American globalism actually turned out to be a cover for the neo-colonial policy of the United States. And not everyone "bought" to participate in the American adventure called GLOBALISM. And the Islamic nations have started a war against this globalism based on the ideology of radical Islam. The global crisis of American globalism has led to a clash of states (hot or cold wars, which are increasing every day). Russia gets the full from these clashes: on the part of the globalists - sanctions, on the part of the Islamists - terrorism. It is clear that the Russian political elite cannot take one side or the other. And then the idea of ​​a "multipolar world" was revived. So there is a national idea in Russia - this is the creation from the STATE of Russia of one of the several POLES OF WORLD INFLUENCE. But apart from the ruling elite in Russia, there is also a population that must somehow exist. But how - our Russian government does not know - does not know how to unite the nation of Russians. Those. all these "Karaganovs" speaking about the national idea have introduced the idea of ​​uniting the crowd under the loud name of the nation! Yes, the party has been created for this - United Russia! The only trouble is that there is a party, but there is no understanding for the sake of why all citizens of the Russian state should unite.
    1. +4
      21 September 2019 08: 15
      Well said. The inscription on the coat of arms of the Republic of Crimea: "Prosperity in unity". Possible slogan of the Russian Federation on the world stage in the future. In Ukraine, state construction is hypertrophied oligarchic capitalism, and in the Russian Federation it is oligarchic capitalism, tied with an iron hoop from the former KGB officers in power.
      The national idea of ​​the Russian Federation is the goal of a group of Russian people for the next 100-200 years. The ruling elite will transfer power to their children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren. The oligarchs want their descendants to sit endlessly on the neck of the people of the Russian Federation and draw resources endlessly. The people want confidence in the future, justice, decent pensions, salaries, low interest rates on mortgages to make life was better than in neighboring countries. Just like in the fable about the swan, cancer and pike. In the Soviet Union, under socialism, the government relied on a social-labor collective penetrated by reinforcement, like concrete, by trade union, party and Komsomol organizations. Now the Russians are atomized and scattered. Migrant workers deprive them of the meaning of life-work.
    2. +1
      21 September 2019 08: 49
      National idea and ideology of the state?
      1.Ideology is a system of views and ideas that recognize and evaluate people's attitudes to reality and to each other, social problems and conflicts, and also contain goals (programs) of social activities aimed at consolidating or changing (developing) these public relations . In a class society, ideology is always of a class nature, reflecting the position of a given class, its interests. ”” (Big Soviet Encyclopedia)
      2. .. "" ideology exists not only among the proletariat in the form of socialism. The antagonist class also has one. Its name is liberalism. "(I. V. Stalin" Anarchism or Socialism? ")
      3. The Constitution of the Russian Federation contains rights that prove the official consolidation of bourgeois ideology in the form of liberalism. :
      - Part 1 of the 8 article guarantees the free movement of goods, services and financial resources, support for competition and freedom of economic activity. This corresponds to the category of "economic freedom of the individual."
      -Part 2 of the 8 article establishes protection for the main pillar of the ruling class of capitalists - private property.
      - the right to freely use their abilities and property for entrepreneurial and other economic activities not prohibited by law (Part 1, Art. 34),
      ...........

      https://politsturm.com/est-li-u-rf-ideologiya/
      1. +1
        21 September 2019 09: 26
        For To be or not to be Well, what is your dear copiers from encyclopedias and the Constitution about? I can accumulate a bunch of these for you and foul with these copiers what the article was written for. Your point of view behind these "excerpts" from someone else's text is not visible !!! Or is the main thing for you "indicated in the subject"?
        1. +2
          21 September 2019 09: 47
          I. Dear, I understand perfectly!
          Consider the topic from all sides and from all points of view, find the truth. If it is. As I understand it, there is the purpose of discussion on the forum. And here a rich heritage of classics. As I think. doesn’t hurt ... Especially with the variety of confusion. what is on the forums ...
          The question of ideology is the main question of the state ...
          The state always has an ideology.
          And the ideology of the ruling power (the top of the .class - as you can’t name it) ..
          Currently, the ruling party of the Russian Federation is United Russia. The ideology of this party (I wrote earlier) is conservative liberalism ..

          The variety of ideologies enshrined in the Constitution of the Russian Federation
          (Article 13
          1. The Russian Federation recognizes ideological diversity.
          2. No ideology can be established as state or mandatory) --- there is nothing more than a mask of the ideology of the ruling party at this stage ...
          1. +1
            21 September 2019 10: 15
            Thanks! Now what you wanted to tell me is clear! And that we must remember the classics, I agree with you as you, I hope, I am a supporter of the fact that you do not need to invent everything "from scratch", but to develop what is, depending on the realities of today. And to start any discussion, define the concepts, otherwise people often "discuss to the point of insults," although if you look at their positions are identical. It's just that the manner of conducting a conversation on the Internet is now in vogue - this is an exchange of emoticons))) maybe Americans brought up on comics, it suits, but we are not Americans)))
            1. 0
              21 September 2019 10: 23
              I agree with you
              And I wrote a "theory" under your good text after seeing the phrase "NATIONAL IDEOLOGY". But. this is another and very interesting topic ..
  8. +1
    21 September 2019 07: 23
    Well, "Our goals are clear. The tasks are determined. For work, comrades." And in fact, "Berries, flowers. In my garden." We want to do the best, keeping the negative.
  9. +9
    21 September 2019 07: 25
    Karaganov is an anti-adviser so no one is for me. Talking and thinking about Russia can only be for whom my homeland is from edge to edge. both geographically and historical United Country.
  10. +12
    21 September 2019 07: 25
    A distinctive feature of Russian civilization is a heightened sense of justice. That is why the "red project" won in due time, in which the idea of ​​equality of people was laid. Now this idea is as relevant again as never before. It's another matter that we are not allowed to unite around it. The political field has been cleaned up, and parties that declare equality and social justice have completely discredited themselves. Actually, like all current political parties. Therefore, without a complete reboot of the political system and the emergence of real popular leaders (and not clowns like Navalny and Misha2%), there will be no real revival of the country. But this opportunity will appear not earlier than in a few years.
    1. 0
      21 September 2019 07: 51
      Vadim, and you can give a definition of the concept of Russian civilization, only yourself without "sending to Google for explanations." And what is "equality of people" in your understanding? Equality of opportunities is one thing, equality, as a general leveling, is another.
      1. +7
        21 September 2019 09: 25
        Vitaly, my opinion is very subjective, but if you insist ... I believe that belonging to any civilization is determined not by nationality, but by whether a person accepts the spiritual values ​​of this civilization. or rejects. If he accepts truly, without falsehood, then he is his own. Regarding belonging to the Russian civilization - it is better than Nicholas I said about this, it is difficult to say:

        "Emperor Nicholas I once at a court ball asked the Marquis Astolphe de Custine, who was fleeing the French revolution in Russia:
        “Marquis, do you think there are many Russians in this room?”
        “All but me and foreign ambassadors, Your Majesty!”
        -You're wrong. This one of mine is a Pole, a German. There are two generals - they are Georgians. This courtier is a Tatar, here is a Finn, and there is a baptized Jew.
        “Then where are the Russians?” Asked Custine.
        "But all together they are Russians."
        Link: https://alik-shade.livejournal.com/867432.html

        And the equality of people in my understanding is not so much the equality of opportunities (they cannot be equal initially), but the equality of rights and starting conditions. For example, the right to receive a quality education - regardless of place of residence, the right to decent social support of the state for students and the elderly (so that students can live on a scholarship and study well, and not be registered at a university, making money for living and studying; to people who gave their work and better years to the state had a decent old age; so that any person, regardless of income level, had access to quality medicine; so that all honestly working people could get access to oynoe reward for their labor, etc.) I hope I have answered your questions, and you get the approximate course of my thoughts.
        Regards, Vadim.
        1. +1
          21 September 2019 09: 38
          Vadim, thank you for answering quite fully - I agree with you 100% and I am like-minded in this approach. It's just that your first comment is a set of slogans, but the second is a specific position. So drop the slogan))), write your personal "position" .... and the frenzied empty-breeds on earnings from the couch troops and without us are enough for VO))). Thanks again for the answer.
          1. +1
            21 September 2019 09: 41
            Thank you for the advice, Vitaly. I will consider for the future. Best regards, Vadim.
        2. +1
          21 September 2019 18: 19
          The sovereign could afford such verbal pampering, for the basis were Great Russian provinces.
          Eliminating from the discussion of the concept of ethnic Russian is always a provocation, usually emanating from Ashkenazi.
      2. +1
        21 September 2019 22: 15
        Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
        Vadim, and you can give a definition of the concept of Russian civilization, only yourself without "sending to Google for explanations." And what is "equality of people" in your understanding?

        can I try to answer for Vadim? - Until now, all over the world, Russian means Communist. What is a communist? based on declarative documents such as the Code of the builder of communism, this is something like the builder of the kingdom of God only on earth. Where everyone has the right to love, where everyone knows that they love and appreciate him. Maybe equality is not material? but just knowing that you will never be abandoned? In ancient Rome, the rank of citizen gave the Romans the right to equip an army for them in the event of an accident in a foreign land. For the right to be called a citizen of Rome, people went to death. Goebbels propaganda drove into the minds of the Germans the idea that it does not matter who you are, a simple soldier or a marshal, a working or nursing mother, we are all Germans and should do our job well.
        A distinctive feature of the Russian mentality is that Russians, before all other European nations, began to live according to Russian Truth. There was such a document in my authorship by Yaroslav the Wise. Where social distinctions and material prosperity were erased, in addition, the Russians almost always lived as a community in one form or another. Cumming on collective farms. Therefore, at a deep level of consciousness, Russians will always be for social justice and mutual assistance.
        1. 0
          22 September 2019 06: 47
          Unfortunately, Russian Truth is not Russian. Since the first time it introduced usury, which was not peculiar to the Russians (Art. 49) and slavery - a form of slavery (Art. 52).
          1. 0
            22 September 2019 20: 05
            Unfortunately, law is the will of the ruling class elevated to law. The Russians themselves sold themselves to slaves. Due to lack of housing for example. Or when famously. this is when a person has no means to pay tribute and he sold himself to a extortioner. Times have always been difficult. Only in those days the internecine strife was wild. And Russian Russians were beaten, and sold into slavery .... Therefore, they lived in communities. which is easier
    2. +2
      21 September 2019 07: 54
      so for sure, the national idea lies on the surface - take it and use it. And that is social justice. The only worthy goal for Russia. And experience, quite positive, is. Moreover, now we are not wasting our money on weapons and upkeep of other countries, as before. Russia is one of the few countries that can afford developed socialism. And parties and leaders are also available.
  11. +7
    21 September 2019 07: 41
    This is what the idea should be, to unite those who have accounts and real estate abroad and those who have nothing of the kind
    1. +1
      21 September 2019 08: 29
      Yes, such a simple idea is imperial, no one will be happy with any more.
      The development of their country, albeit due to the robbery of other countries and the proportional division of the honestly looted.
    2. +3
      21 September 2019 09: 01
      Quote: parusnik
      This is what the idea should be, to unite those who have accounts and real estate abroad and those who have nothing of the kind

      Good morning, Alex laughing Moreover, we can say that those who do not have accounts abroad ---- are all credited so that the average loan debt for each 100000rub, and this year there were calculations and a message that the total debt of the population reached a maximum for all previous years. Messages on the purchase of products on credit there.
      As if capitalists might want to rally
  12. 0
    21 September 2019 07: 53
    The need to move towards a civil society based on a legal basis
    1. -1
      21 September 2019 21: 53
      on a legal basis, we have now come to the conclusion that the right of private ownership of national property is higher than the right of the child to a good free education, or the right of the patient to decent help. And here is the picture, although I am not a supporter of churchness, but the point is:
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  14. +5
    21 September 2019 08: 31
    What other idea? Eat, drink, have fun, because you will die tomorrow! (C) laughing
  15. 0
    21 September 2019 08: 36
    Thank you for the article.
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  17. 0
    21 September 2019 09: 18
    If someone has no ideas in connection with age or the lost profit from the constant dragging abroad for the state account, this does not mean that people in Russia live without ideas. It is not necessary to speak with your own yardstick about everyone, let alone the country. This was already the case in the late 1980s. Then they believed these "foremen of perestroika" and followed them. And plunged into, with their own hands destroyed their own state. You can't repeat past mistakes. A single country, a single economic space, which must be protected and protected from these "ideological", both domestic and foreign - this is the idea.
  18. +8
    21 September 2019 09: 21
    How no idea? She is, they just don’t talk about her. And the idea is very simple: earn dough and get out of this state.
  19. +4
    21 September 2019 09: 29
    Social being determines social consciousness. And the economic model is primarily responsible for this. If according to this model a person is a wolf enrichment at all costs, it is surprising that there is no unity of the people, there is no partnership and fraternity, and they will not be so under this system, they are rudiments. And if people are working on a common cause and everyone knows that he is working for the good of his comrade, and he unites yours. If a person knows that the fruits of his labor do not go into the pocket of the oligarch, but go to create public goods for everyone, including for him and his children, he will consider such a state to be fair.
  20. -1
    21 September 2019 10: 32
    The national idea should be formulated so as to clearly characterize the aspirations of our country. The goal to which we are going and the principles to which we follow. As an example, I will give ours: Moscow the third Rome. And Roman: The gods judged us to rule the nations.
    1. 0
      21 September 2019 21: 46
      actually the goal of ideology is to combine palaces with squares
      1. 0
        21 September 2019 22: 03
        The examples I have cited perfectly correspond to this.
        1. 0
          21 September 2019 22: 24
          Quote: Servisinzhener
          The examples I have cited perfectly correspond to this.

          they do not correspond to Russian imperial traditions: for example, when the Russian Empire conquered territories, the son of a local khan received a seat at the court, military education, Aborigines - citizenship and the right to submit a petition to the Tsar, and the Russians never destroyed the population. And yet, the Romans used the rule: divide and conquer, the Russians conquered defending themselves.
  21. +2
    21 September 2019 11: 03
    It would be necessary to divide the concept of great Russia, which includes only the territory, and its economic condition, which is at the level of developing African countries. A national idea will appear when the authorities understand that the geography of Russia obliges it to be Great, otherwise it will spread to nationalities.
  22. +8
    21 September 2019 11: 39
    In our opinion, we need ideas on how to all of us survive in an increasingly insane modern global world ...

    simpler: how to survive in our country with a crazy liberal government.
    1. -6
      21 September 2019 19: 40
      If you want to live well, go into business, it will be hard from the beginning, but you can do it.
      1. -1
        21 September 2019 23: 33
        Quote: Vadim237
        If you want to live well, go into business, it will be hard from the beginning, but you can do it.

        It is not necessary that development be on such a plan. For many (in small business), at first it’s just hard, and then it’s completely impossible. hi
        1. -1
          22 September 2019 17: 50
          “For many (in small business), at first it’s just hard, and then it’s completely overwhelming. Those who really want to do it will definitely not work out with a pessimistic attitude.
    2. +2
      21 September 2019 21: 43
      Quote: Silvestr
      simpler: how to survive in our country with a crazy liberal government.

      Yes, you can survive while you are young and healthy. The question is where is the prospect?
      1. 0
        21 September 2019 23: 11
        In the future, you yourself go out - the main thing is to do what you love.
  23. -3
    21 September 2019 12: 19
    The above concerns more ideas of foreign policy, but what about the domestic? In this sense, the national idea, if possible, should have an important attribute: to be universal, to capture all sectors of society from top to bottom, from state employees to elites

    Let's look at the problem deeper.
    In the West, the main ideology is God's chosen people, and the rest just try to intercept the crumbs from the master’s table .....
    And if we want to survive, then we need to oppose an ideology that is not inferior in depth to the God's chosen people, otherwise we will lose.
    1. 0
      21 September 2019 21: 42
      Quote: lucul
      And if we want to survive, then we need to oppose an ideology that is not inferior in depth to the God's chosen people, otherwise we will lose.

      The depth of ideology is strongly supported by its legal significance. laughing and firing squad.
      Why does not the ideology of Patriotism take root? Yes, because the game of Patriotism should end with the introduction of a patriotic tax on foreign cars and ostracism lovers of Turkey. Therefore, this Idea was not developed.
      But the fear of death is also an ideology. Ideology for those who have nowhere to run away from their native Siberia, Primorye .... Only the Leader is needed who will voice the unifying principle (Idea) and the people will go
  24. +3
    21 September 2019 13: 07
    "The search for a national idea" - verbiage, demagoguery, "shadow on the fence", designed to destroy the socialist, social achievements of communist ideology in the conditions of bourgeois, imperialist Russia.
    The "elections" are over. "Pension reform", now its second stage, throwing in about a four-day working week while abolishing an eight-hour working day opens the way for greater exploitation .... For those who disagree, there are guardsmen and judges.
    PS "... a communist international idea of ​​western origin, it was the official idea of ​​the USSR ...".
    The Chinese fell for "Western values" and turned from a colonial country into a world power. wink
    I will not say anything about the achievements of the USSR. Not all "scoops" are still dead.
  25. +2
    21 September 2019 13: 11
    The ideology in our country is prohibited by constitution. Therefore, we cannot have any idea, and therefore development goals, because an idea forms a goal. There is no dialogue, no goal to be achieved. We need an ideology if we want to survive.
    1. +1
      21 September 2019 21: 33
      Quote: Herman 4223
      The ideology in our country is prohibited by constitution.

      But what about religious ideology? however, it does not give a purpose.
      1. 0
        21 September 2019 23: 05
        Any ideology is prohibited. Any ideology sets goals. In accordance with the idea, the country's development goals will be formed.
        1. -1
          21 September 2019 23: 16
          Quote: Herman 4223
          Any ideology is prohibited.

          That is, do you think that there is no ruling class in the Russian Federation? Then prove this position. My thesis is this: if there is a ruling class, then there is a party that develops an ideology - the vanguard of the ruling class. Reference: classes are large groups of people that differ in their relation to the means of production, share and method of obtaining their share of national income. Those. some get their ability to work at the lowest market price, while others get everything else.
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  26. 0
    21 September 2019 13: 15
    Quote: "In our opinion, we need ideas on how we all survive in an increasingly insane modern global world ..." End of quote.
    To evaluate Karaganov, you need to understand what has been said, i.e. to grow. In general, it is far from useful for everyone to listen to speeches by experts at the level of Karaganov or, for example, Kurginyan. After all, there are other talk shows. On them, coffees offer alternative solutions to our common problems.
    To summarize: Karaganov and Kurginyan are not talking about sausage, but about the goal. To formulate the goal of a large system is not for you to "eat lobio", it is the task of experts of the highest intellectual level. Why do such experts talk about the need to formulate a goal? Because in cybernetics (the science of general principles of management) the principle is known: "No goal - no system."
    About the concept "expert". You can't buy an expert title. This is a specialist (often unique) with special knowledge and experience in a certain field of activity, on the basis of which he gives a motivated conclusion on a particular problem. The expert should listen and try to implement the recommendations as much as possible. The quality of system management depends on this. If the system has no goal, then the EA is useless. Within the framework of such a system, any discussion of any problem turns into prostitution in essence and bazaar in form. This is what we have seen over the years.
    A system without a goal cannot survive. She is doomed.
  27. +1
    21 September 2019 14: 35
    My suggestion. Make a national idea a lack of a national idea. And stop suffering crap. wink The entire existence of states is the protection of their civilization, its zone of influence, ensuring its growth and dominance over other civilizations. No idea is needed for this. Beat the enemies, think about the benefits for your country and vigilantly look around so that the enemies do not sneak up or sneak up on someone tasty. Observe any animal flock or primitive tribe - they do the same thing, but do not bother with any ideology. This is the concentrated essence of any state. request
  28. +4
    21 September 2019 14: 48
    The majority of Russian citizens already have a national idea - to survive in spite of the "top".
  29. 0
    21 September 2019 15: 07
    For a national idea to take over society, it is necessary both a change of generations and a change in the behavior of the "elites", as long as the generations that have survived the collapse of the USSR and the 90s live, they will not believe in any idea, they have too often deceived, and the government does not at all contribute or an idea.
  30. +3
    21 September 2019 16: 42
    Quote: Pessimist22
    Do not tell me where on the map of the USSR is located?

    In the hearts and memory of the people. And - in his hopes and aspirations.
  31. +1
    21 September 2019 17: 29
    Monarchisms, Capitalisms, Socialisms have systemic unsolvable shortcomings that ultimately lead to a crisis, somewhere these crises were experienced due to internal resources, somewhere due to external resources, and somewhere the whole system died. Therefore, personally, I consider the data "-isms" unsuitable for discussion since everything again comes down to holivar
  32. +2
    21 September 2019 17: 31
    The author summarizes the dead end idea of ​​survival. This is not an end in itself for our (conditionally, Russian) civilization, because defense does not lead to victory. Sit in the swamp along the nostrils and are afraid of any wave-doom yourself to slow or fast death. Depending on the size of the wave.
  33. 0
    21 September 2019 18: 19
    "We go to the right, into the sun, along the rows of corn"
  34. +2
    21 September 2019 21: 10
    Quote: Pessimist22
    How can power and assets without blood be taken from the capitalists?

    No .... sad
  35. -1
    21 September 2019 21: 20
    The author writes:
    The radical nationalist Hitler, together with his party, managed to democratically take power in Germany, in one of the most cultured and educated countries in Europe

    a big lie starts with a little juggling of facts ... smile What is Germany in 1932? a country paying reparations without sovereignty, with collapsed industry and periodic social explosions, with ministers who changed 2 once a year .... The only kind of culture is the national traditions of the Germans - the ability to work for results.
    In a hungry country, Hitler dressed up 5000 militants in brown shirts and new boots just made an impression like Alibaba from an American cartoon. This begs the question: where did he get the money? In short, Hitler came to power in a non-democratic way, they brought him .. They gave him the Idea ... the very idea of ​​equality, only for the elite, only for the Germans, thereby laying the foundation for future wars, since people were divided into Germans and others .
    The USSR also had the idea of ​​equality, only for everyone .... And it gave this equality to everyone, even those who have not grown up to it ... and now someone has free rights as little as the old woman’s trough laughing
    The idea must be moving. It should unite people, give an incentive and hope for happiness! For example, the Idea: nationalize the bowels! pay each resident of the country money to the account? not to the budget! into the account, because everyone knows where to spend money! Down with the thieves!
    What can come of this? - Yes, even more money will flee abroad !!!
    1. 0
      21 September 2019 22: 56
      Poroshenko and Zelensky are also "democratic" and with a Nazi idea.
    2. 0
      21 September 2019 23: 21
      "The USSR also had the idea of ​​equality, only for everyone ...." Especially the party elite there was so equal with the people - that any passer-by from the street could join its ranks. In the end, the country went bankrupt and fled - everyone wanted the chewing gum of freedom sausage and jeans - they turned out to be stronger than sociiology and the building of communism - mantras about which most of the population were tired of.
  36. -1
    22 September 2019 11: 35
    Our nation-forming nation (despite all efforts and persecution) is exclusively Russian. The only thing that prevents the destruction of this country is the pitiful remnants of the "Russian spirit" with which the state, which has settled in this country, fiercely, with all its might, is fighting. And wins! Than in every possible way brings the collapse of the country closer, which will lead to the collapse of the same state and the physical destruction of its executors, that is, all officials, from the largest to the smallest. Their hopes that property abroad, children and grandchildren "rooted" there, and finally fiery cooperation with the intelligence services of the country's enemies, will guarantee them the survival and prosperity of the state they betray abroad, are simply ridiculous. Although they show very clearly that for all the outrageous meanness and cunning, our authorities are amazingly stupid ...
    The Russian people, who are tirelessly crushed by those who seem to be obliged to protect and guide them, are changing more and more. It is already very difficult to imagine that in the event of a general military threat, the people will unite with the authorities. This will almost certainly not happen. Of course, in response, the authorities will begin mass executions, since most of its members are firmly convinced that "Stalin won thanks to the Gulag and the detachments." The shootings will lead to the complete collapse of the country ...
    In a peaceful life, the Russian people cannot "sell" a bed and a trough, even if the bed is round from the Penthouse and the trough is silver. A mountain of food is not something that will ignite the Russian heart, as Khrushchev's followers were very clearly convinced, when already under Brezhnev the country fell asleep and then rotted away. Yes, a tree-stick, a collapse without a national idea! Realized, look! Moreover, it is NATIONAL! What, were you chickened out? Are you afraid that the RUSSIAN people will not forgive you meanness and robbery? Well, the Russians at least know how to FORGIVE. In the West, you, thieves and traitors, what awaits? There you are so lacking - thieves and traitors, and also poisoned by theft and betrayal of your children and grandchildren. That's how it is, yeah ...
  37. Quote: Dead Day
    Sergey Karaganov: “Russia does not have a national goal, and countries that have lost their goal die, this is evidenced by history. This is a big weakness. ”
    and we have no nationalities on the passport, forgotten? we are all "expensive" ... so there is no idea ... or rather there is, but it is prohibited! Yes even shamans are not spared!

    -------------------------
    Well, write in your passport Grandfather.
    Your life will change for the better right away!
  38. Directly awesome complex question of formulating the term National Idea in Russia*:
    1. To be a STATE equal among strong countries in political, economic, military, scientific, industrial, educational, humanitarian, cultural, etc. relationship.
    2. Make the people of the COUNTRY smart, rich, healthy, happy.
    And not invent 350 laws for the 6 months of the State Duma’s work in the 2019 year!

    * By the way, the term National Idea in Ukraine marked as NI in the form of a WOLF HOOK on Azov's chevron
  39. 0
    22 September 2019 15: 25
    In Russia there is a national idea - to tear aside more money from its own people.
  40. Quote: Amateur
    Mind does not understand Russia,
    No yardstick to measure:
    She has a special feature -
    You can only believe in Russia.
    FI Tyutchev

    Russia is the only country in which there is a certain substance called the "intelligentsia", which is tormented by two eternal questions: "who is to blame" and "what to do." At the same time, this "intelligentsia" itself does not know how to do anything and does not want to, and is looking for the guilty everywhere except itself.


    Mr. Amateur!
    Only an uneducated person can run around with this idea, justifying his lack of intelligence.
    The enemies of Russia (in all its names, the Russian Empire, the Soviet Union, the Russian Federation) are fools, scum, thieves, lazy people and drunkards, and not the intelligentsia as a layer.
    At the same time, fools, scum, thieves, idlers and drunks do not belong to any social class, but are distributed fairly evenly across each of them.
    If you have such a dislike for the intelligentsia, then you, as a consistent person, need to give up all the benefits of civilization, its achievements, go into the woods, so as not to use the fruits of civilization made and introduced not only by the labor of workers and peasants, but also by knowledge, skills and labor intelligentsia.

    "It's time already, vigorous mother,
    Intellect to understand Russia.
    And the lesson "only to believe"
    For a long time already should be lost. "
    "All the controversy flared up again
    And flow again, boiling in vain:
    "The mind cannot understand Russia",
    And how to understand - again it is not clear "
    I. Huberman.
  41. 0
    23 September 2019 08: 05
    In my opinion, with such an economy and its personalities promoting what can be any ambition? What may be a national idea I do not understand. What resources to rely on, let these Karaganov’s heads explain light, but in fact ordinary post-bellies.
  42. 0
    23 September 2019 21: 11
    Ideology should be the result of the ENVIRONMENT. Values ​​may include:
    love (Christianity), justice (Islam), etc. All these are vague concepts that do not have a quantitative measure.
    LABOR (remuneration for labor) is the only thing that can be represented by a figure, and on this basis to prove the existence of a maximum rate of development
    of society.
    JUST EVERYTHING THAT PROMOTES THE DEVELOPMENT OF SOCIETY AS A WHOLE.
    Only then will the need for ideology arise - a way to achieve this goal. And if on the contrary, we get what we have - thousands of doctoral dissertations,
    leading to an unknown where, and, above all, because neither
    DEMOCRATIC nor COMMUNIST ideology do not have
    GOALS.
    No goal - No SCIENCE (one of the main requirements of SCIENCE is the availability of
    GOALS).
    No SCIENCE - NO KNOWLEDGE (you can remember a lot, but as they say in
    Odessa: "these are two big differences: remember and know." Huge on the internet
    memory of democracy and communism, but their purpose is nowhere to be found).
    NO KNOWLEDGE - THERE IS demagogy and profanation, a bazaar, a booth, verbiage +
    55 volumes of PSS V.I. Lenin - endless philosophical verbal
    balancing act - that's why political scientists intentionally or involuntarily hang spaghetti on our ears.
  43. -1
    27 September 2019 11: 16
    Quote: Vadim237
    People are all different and everyone has different directions, such as lifestyle, work, dreams, etc.

    One of the many areas where Russia is ahead of other countries:
    "Is Russia Ready for the Digital Revolution?"
    look with 19:37

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