West Point military academies are going to reform according to the "Soviet version"

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The US military command decided to reform the activities of the military academy at West Point. This is the oldest military academy in the United States, in which training for the cadet lasts 4 years - to obtain a bachelor's degree and the rank of junior lieutenant (if by analogy with the rank system in the RF Armed Forces) and the duty to serve in the U.S. Army for 5 years.





At the same time, West Point is considered the most liberal academy of the US Armed Forces in the sense that its graduates can send out requests for service with the proposal of their candidacy to certain units and formations. From the proposed options and make the final choice.

Now this kind of liberalism at West Point, the command is about to cut back. In particular, it is said that they plan to provide the opportunity to independently propose candidates to particular units and formations only to those graduates who receive diplomas with high marks. So, it is planned to calculate the average score in order to determine whether the graduate can apply or not.

For everyone else (and such the vast majority) plan to use a distribution system.



The command explains this reform initiative by the fact that a kind of “vacuum” began to form in the US armed forces in separate units, with which young officers themselves do not want to associate their fate. These are the least prestigious units, which every year, as stated, are experiencing more and more staff shortages at various levels of service.

They plan to apply the new West Point graduate distribution method from 2020 of the year. It is noted that graduates, who will be distributed in the direction, "must be reconciled with the decision of the command." It is added that this will become an additional incentive to improve the quality of training by cadets.

Users in the States themselves called this idea of ​​command "the Soviet echo":
They are going to reform West Point according to the Soviet version of the distribution of military personnel. Hey, he is far from democratic principles!

Will it not work out like this: in order to withdraw the possibility of choice, they will begin to underestimate the results?
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  1. +41
    20 September 2019 08: 01
    Bah ... and we just have the exam as they have. And cormorant. Was the communists right again?
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        2. +1
          20 September 2019 14: 09
          Do not believe it, I sometimes write at the end of the comment that it was a joke.
      2. +14
        20 September 2019 08: 47
        And cormorant.
        Not cormorant, but aubergine. Because some fellow bachelors of knowledge like eggplant.
      3. +3
        20 September 2019 09: 10
        Quote: Pedrodepackes
        undergraduate, from the word bachelor is the carrier of the best education in the world

        I will irony, everything is OK. Well, I don’t accept scrapping the bachelor (for the army). I can’t imagine a bachelor as a platoon commander sitting in a trench with a machine gun, or a fighter pilot.
        1. +3
          20 September 2019 09: 16
          Quote: tihonmarine
          I can not imagine a bachelor as a platoon commander

          is it all about the name? A bachelor's degree is a scientific degree, nothing more. And in the ranks he will be a lieutenant, platoon commander. Zampolitans, with councils, wrote in the diploma "Teacher of History and Social Science", graduates of VOKU "Specialist in the operation of wheeled and tracked vehicles". No one was outraged that an officer was a teacher or a tractor driver.
          1. +13
            20 September 2019 11: 07
            Bachelor is a scientific degree, no more.
            A bachelor’s is a western option how to sell one higher education twice. To do this, it is necessary to divide one normal higher education (specialty in modern) into two: undergraduate (undergraduate education) and magistracy (completion of normal education). So that you can cut cabbage with students twice.
            I take it that way.
            1. +7
              20 September 2019 12: 25
              Quote: abrakadabre
              I take it that way.

              As it was before, he graduated from VVU or institute and received a normal higher education without any prefixes.
              1. +1
                20 September 2019 17: 01
                Quote: tihonmarine
                normal higher education education without any prefixes.

                Remember the path to "higher" - "secondary": "initial professional"; "secondary specialty"; "higher". Everything was clear and understandable, albeit "with prefixes" good
                Citizens of the USSR have the right to education. This right is ensured by free of charge all types of education, the implementation of universal compulsory secondary education of youth, the broad development of vocational, secondary specialized and higher education on the basis of the connection between education and life, with production: development of correspondence and evening education; the provision of state scholarships and benefits to pupils and students; free issuance of school books; the possibility of studying at school in their native language; creating conditions for self-education

                Constitution of the USSR (1977)
            2. -1
              20 September 2019 12: 39
              Quote: abrakadabre
              I take it that way.

              do not perceive correctly, after a bachelor's degree, as in the USSR after graduating from a university, you can go to work in your specialty, and a master's degree does not give anything for professional education, this is for scientific activity, in the USSR there was the same practice, post-graduate studies were called, only this was, as a rule, in another institution where the future adjunct studied. When in the history textbooks of the USSR about the same perception as yours was written about the tsarist officials, it was stigmatized with shame, "obstinacy and rejection of the new." laughing
              1. +2
                20 September 2019 12: 58
                Quote: Pedrodepackes
                When in the history textbooks of the USSR about the same perception as yours was written about the tsarist officials, it was stigmatized with shame, "obstinacy and rejection of the new."

                It is always necessary to accept the clever, and it is the clever, but "not the fear of floundering" when the liberals shouted with one voice "Education in the USSR is the lowest in the" whole world "and it went off" we will destroy the whole world to the core, and then "we will take the most" progressive world "American or the most “civilized European.” But in reality it turned out that both China and India galloped over us like a driven mare.
                1. -1
                  20 September 2019 13: 01
                  Quote: tihonmarine
                  But in reality it turned out that both China and India jumped us like a driven mare.

                  in what
                  Quote: tihonmarine
                  When the liberals shouted with one voice, "Education in the USSR is the lowest in" the whole world "and went off," the whole world will be destroyed to the ground, and then "

                  which liberals? What is their last name? And then what has changed in education? The fact is that my daughters studied during the period from the late 90s to the mid-2000s, I did not notice any fundamental changes.
                  1. +3
                    20 September 2019 13: 31
                    Quote: Pedrodepackes
                    And then what has changed in education?

                    First, about China and India, look at the ratings of world institutions, everything is visible there. The second quality of education, I studied in the middle of the 60x and at the Higher School of Higher Education and Higher Education LIVT and KTI (Kaliningrad), my middle son studied at Len Polytech at the beginning of the 90x and the youngest son studies at the same KTI as I do. The program and the training itself now leaves much to be desired (Of course, I think that at MIPT and Bauman it will be better.) And about liberals, there will not be enough comment, but you see them every day on TV at a talk show, especially HSE representatives.
                    1. 0
                      20 September 2019 13: 53
                      Quote: tihonmarine
                      First, about China and India, look at the ratings of world institutions, everything is visible there.

                      it’s interesting, at first you scold our modern education because of the introduction of undergraduate and graduate programs, but you yourself suggest looking at the high rating of Indians and Chinese who study and receive education on this system. So we need to determine what we need, rating or old education.
                    2. 0
                      20 September 2019 19: 03
                      Quote: tihonmarine
                      Of course, I think at MIPT and Bauman it will be better.

                      In "Baumanka" they still use textbooks of the 60-70-80s - I saw them myself.
                      Quote: user
                      The last issue of the specialty, it is also an analogue of the Soviet engineer, was a set of 2010

                      "Baumank" still recruits and graduates "specialists" with a training period of 5 and 5,5 years. But mostly bachelors with masters graduate.
                  2. +1
                    20 September 2019 13: 34
                    I didn’t notice any fundamental changes.


                    The last issue of the specialty, which is also an analogue of the Soviet engineer, was a set of 2010 (Correspondence form, full-time form was completed earlier).
              2. +1
                20 September 2019 13: 30
                you take it wrong, after bachelor's degree, as in the USSR, after graduating from a university you can go to work in your specialty, and master's degree for professional education does not work, this is for scientific work


                Interestingly, then a technical school with a college, I’m not asking about a technical school.

                By the way, please decipher what is a classic undergraduate and academic undergraduate.
                By the way, 2 in many technical schools and colleges have achieved the right to issue bachelors.

                Well, somewhere our education looks like this, I even find it difficult to say in which of the above options it is higher.
                1. 0
                  20 September 2019 19: 44
                  Quote: user
                  Interestingly, then a technical school with a college, I’m not asking about a technical school.

                  Well, as the Ministry of Education decides, maybe a "craft" ie. technical school will start graduating bachelors.
                2. 0
                  21 September 2019 18: 03
                  Academic and Applied Baccalaureate.
            3. +1
              20 September 2019 18: 23
              Quote: abrakadabre
              Bachelor is a scientific degree, no more.
              A bachelor’s is a western option how to sell one higher education twice. To do this, it is necessary to divide one normal higher education (specialty in modern) into two: undergraduate (undergraduate education) and magistracy (completion of normal education). So that you can cut cabbage with students twice.
              I take it that way.

              And so it is!
        2. +2
          20 September 2019 10: 29
          But what about the Honored Test Pilot of the USSR M.L. Gallay? Concurrently: Doctor of Technical Sciences, Professor, Academician of the Academy of Transport of the Russian Federation? This is not like a "bachelor", it will be more abrupt than a "master". hi
          1. +4
            20 September 2019 12: 32
            Quote: Nycomed
            But what about the Honored Test Pilot of the USSR M.L. Gallai?

            So he received a normal complete excellent education, graduated from the Leningrad Polytechnic Institute (1937)
            1. +1
              20 September 2019 12: 45
              Quote: tihonmarine
              Leningrad Polytechnic Institute

              By the way, he studied at the Leningrad Institute of Civil Air Fleet Engineers, which was normal for that time. But then, even in the USSR, without adjuncture, nowhere.
              1. +2
                20 September 2019 13: 09
                Quote: Pedrodepackes
                But then, even in the USSR, without adjuncture, nowhere.

                Well, why, if someone connected life with the service, then the academy for the combat arms, then the Academy of the General Staff. And if in science, then postgraduate studies. As they say, "God is God, but Caesar is Caesar's."
                1. 0
                  20 September 2019 13: 13
                  Quote: tihonmarine
                  And if in science, then adjunct.

                  so I'm talking about science and say
        3. +3
          20 September 2019 12: 25
          Quote: tihonmarine
          I will irony, everything is OK. Well, I don’t accept scrapping the bachelor (for the army). I can’t imagine a bachelor as a platoon commander sitting in a trench with a machine gun, or a fighter pilot.

          Come on, everyone has their own jokes.
          For example, Americans also do not understand how, after graduating from a military school, it is possible to obtain a secondary military and higher civic education?

          West Point is preparing a "blank", not a specialist. Specialists from the "blank" are trained by the appropriate training centers.
          But the "blank" is pretty good.

          Therefore, this is the elite. And in terms of selection, it’s difficult for an ordinary person to get there, there is a system of recommendations. And some state governor or senator will not give it to everyone
          And in terms of preparation, all the same, they are great at developing the brains of their graduates. Do not forget to give normal physical training.
          As a result, most army officers did NOT finish West Point. Most army generals finished it.

          You can argue a lot about how best, but the fact becomes a fact. There is a huge difference between the American and Soviet systems. And after the forced distribution of graduates it will not become smaller.
          1. +2
            20 September 2019 18: 38
            Quote: Spade
            Quote: tihonmarine
            I will irony, everything is OK. Well, I don’t accept scrapping the bachelor (for the army). I can’t imagine a bachelor as a platoon commander sitting in a trench with a machine gun, or a fighter pilot.

            Come on, everyone has their own jokes.
            For example, Americans also do not understand how, after graduating from a military school, it is possible to obtain a secondary military and higher civic education?

            West Point is preparing a "blank", not a specialist. Specialists from the "blank" are trained by the appropriate training centers.
            But the "blank" is pretty good.

            Therefore, this is the elite. And in terms of selection, it’s difficult for an ordinary person to get there, there is a system of recommendations. And some state governor or senator will not give it to everyone
            And in terms of preparation, all the same, they are great at developing the brains of their graduates. Do not forget to give normal physical training.
            As a result, most army officers did NOT finish West Point. Most army generals finished it.

            You can argue a lot about how best, but the fact becomes a fact. There is a huge difference between the American and Soviet systems. And after the forced distribution of graduates it will not become smaller.

            After 4 years, to release, in fact, a platoon lock - that's cool! laughing I talked with their officers, there’s nothing to praise them, to say the least. And their general once said that our military education is redundant, the officer does not need so much knowledge, sage, damn it. As for the physio at West Point, then remember the requirements of any of our schools for graduation - so many first grades, so many second grades, etc. We had a normal physo.
    2. -17
      20 September 2019 08: 05
      "Was the communists right again?"
      The Communists have always been right! Especially: Pol Pot. am
      1. +12
        20 September 2019 08: 15
        Quote: Nycomed
        "Was the communists right again?"
        The Communists have always been right! Especially: Pol Pot. am

        And here Pol Pot, the Khmer Rouge is an extremely nationalist Maostan movement, spun off from the Communist Party, with a complete denial of scientific progress.
        1. -9
          20 September 2019 08: 17
          I say: true communists!
        2. -1
          20 September 2019 08: 32
          Quote: Civil
          Khmer Rouge is an extremely nationalist Maostan movement, spun off from the Communist Party

          the most interesting thing is that Mao considered himself 100% communist, the heir to Marx and Stalin
          Quote: Civil
          with complete denial of scientific progress

          and there was someone to take an example from, the Chinese "cultural revolution" with its red guards (may the moderator forgive me). Communists, in a word.
          1. +9
            20 September 2019 09: 24
            Quote: Pedrodepackes
            Communists, in a word.

            The Communists, too, were different and will be. There were Mensheviks, Bolsheviks, Trotskyists, Maoists and Juche. We had the idea of ​​Marxism-Leninism, and this is the surest idea that revisionists like Khrushchev have perverted, which you later knew.
            1. -6
              20 September 2019 09: 35
              Quote: tihonmarine
              We had the idea of ​​Marxism-Leninism, and this is the surest idea,

              who determined it, just wondering?
              Quote: tihonmarine
              The communists were also different .... Maoists
              by the way, the Maoists just represented the ideas of Marx-Lenin-Stalin, and the nickname "Maoists" was given to them
              Quote: tihonmarine
              revisionists like Khrushchev
              and their followers supported. So they are wrong communists?
              1. 0
                20 September 2019 12: 15
                Quote: Pedrodepackes
                and their followers supported. So they are wrong communists?

                I agree with this. After all, we who studied at the SSR taught "History of the CPSU" and "scientific communism" are compulsory programs in the universities of the USSR and we can think about something.
            2. -11
              20 September 2019 10: 40
              Of course we know! The old man Krupsky-Armand is still more alive than all the living, snoring quietly in a cozy bedroom in the very center of Moscow. And, which is typical, for utility services does not pay and no one is going to evict him for multibillion-dollar debts to the Zhilkomhoz (in contrast to the people "happy" by him)!
              1. +3
                20 September 2019 14: 41
                And, which is typical, for utility services does not pay and no one is going to evict him for multibillion-dollar debts to the Zhilkomhoz (in contrast to the people "happy" by him)!

                Those who "made them happy" in the 90s had a purely formal relationship to the communists ... Even less in common, these "happy-goers" had with Lenin and his deeds ...
                You still call Hitler a socialist ...
                1. -7
                  20 September 2019 14: 54
                  Hitler is a national socialist.
                  Krupsky-Armand - Erkapebist.
          2. -1
            20 September 2019 10: 34
            Fell in love with the hunweibin
            And hung a portrait.
            In the morning I got up and looked:
            Bean is hanging. But the hun - no!
        3. -3
          20 September 2019 12: 13
          "Khmer Rouge is an extremely nationalist Maostan movement,"
          It's good that it's not "Masonic"! lol
      2. +5
        20 September 2019 08: 17
        Ieng Sari yet.
        In the old days, the media often mentioned them in a bunch.
        Who is this, I found out just now, after many decades.
      3. +10
        20 September 2019 09: 31
        Quote: Nycomed
        Especially: Pol Pot.


        For information, Pol Pot was overthrown by the Communists (although Vietnam). But how outraged by this,
        all western democracies.
        so that
        Quote: Nycomed
        the communists were right
    3. +6
      20 September 2019 08: 47
      Quote: Civil
      Was the communists right again?

      Without a doubt. Especially in pre-Khrushchev time, he graduated from college and received a military specialty and the rank of "lieutenant" without the prefixes "technician lieutenant" or "engineer lieutenant".
      1. 0
        20 September 2019 22: 47
        What about a medical lieutenant?
        1. 0
          21 September 2019 10: 32
          Quote: VeteranVSSSR
          What about a medical lieutenant?

          And he had the prefix "technician" or "engineer". The prefix was even before the Second World War, the "technician intendant" and there was something in the builders, BUT not in the combat troops and the navy. In the navy, we had an interesting rank or position "pyrotechnician" and there was such a maybe Ivanov or Petrov - Senior pyrotechnic technician, junior lieutenant technician, everyone was talking about it, but jokes about him are probably still circulating ...
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      1. 0
        20 September 2019 09: 22
        Quote: lexus
        in fact, they will quietly "take off their hat" to the Soviet education system.

        and where in the article is it about changing the education system at West Point? Here, rather, the system of distribution of graduates, which, in fact, is not the know-how of the Soviet higher educational institutions, was distributed among the graduates of cadet schools under the priest’s tsar, depending on their academic performance. I don’t know how it is abroad, but most likely there too.
        1. +1
          20 September 2019 12: 13
          Quote: Pedrodepackes
          and where in the article is it about changing the education system at West Point?

          This is indignant Americans say so.
          But by and large there is a huge difference between the American system and the Soviet / Russian.

          "West Point is not trained as a tanker or an artilleryman. It trains an officer. And they begin to train as a tankman or an artilleryman only after graduation.

          By and large, everything is exactly the opposite. We started to make this a training system similar to the American one since the late USSR.
          1. -1
            20 September 2019 12: 33
            Quote: Spade
            This is indignant Americans say so.

            I did not find one in the article
            1. +1
              20 September 2019 15: 56
              Quote: Pedrodepackes
              I did not find one in the article


              1. 0
                20 September 2019 18: 46
                according to the Soviet version of the distribution of military personnel
                Firstly, this is the opinion of the commenter, and secondly, where is the education system? I see only about distribution. Or are you talking about understating results
                1. 0
                  20 September 2019 18: 49
                  Quote: Pedrodepackes
                  and secondly, where is it about the education system?

                  Exactly. What am I talking about?

                  The military education systems of the USSR / Russia and the USA are different in principle. And if anyone took steps in favor of similarity, then this is us. It was with us, even under the USSR, that they decided to raise the level of general erudition and education
    5. +2
      20 September 2019 09: 26
      Quote: Civil
      Was the communists right again?
      the communists were forever left.
    6. +3
      20 September 2019 10: 12
      Quote: Civil
      Was the communists right again?

      The idealist communists wanted to build a just society. Therefore, they needed educated citizens, and the education system was built on the best examples. And capital needs a slave (consumer).
      1. -10
        20 September 2019 10: 44
        Pol Pot was a real communist idealist and wanted to build a "just" society in the same way. That's just, for some reason, on the contrary, he fought with education. And he did it great! fellow
        1. +4
          20 September 2019 11: 10
          Quote: Nycomed
          Pol Pot was a true communist idealist

          Pol-Pot was a typical cannibal dictator. He is to the Communists the same side as I to the Bolshoi ballet. wassat
          1. -7
            20 September 2019 11: 32
            And everything is right about ballet too! Paul Sweat and ballet did not favor, almost as much as education. bully
    7. 0
      20 September 2019 19: 25
      oh were right!
  2. -8
    20 September 2019 08: 02
    The howl will rise, of course! angry
    1. -2
      20 September 2019 08: 08
      Quote: Nycomed
      The howl will rise, of course!

      The command explains this reform initiative by the fact that a kind of “vacuum” began to form in the US armed forces in separate units, with which young officers themselves do not want to associate their fate. These are the least prestigious units, which every year, as stated, are experiencing more and more staff shortages at various levels of service.
      I wonder if they have prestigious support or combat parts?
      1. +6
        20 September 2019 08: 18
        I suspect the location.
        Few people in the deserts or similarly serve ...
        1. -4
          20 September 2019 08: 51
          Financially should be interested. I don't know how they got there in the Armed Forces, but in the 90s I had a chance to work with the Halliburton company. And they had an interesting pay system. And this office works all over the world from the Arctic, to, practically, the Antarctic. So, US citizens who work there receive more remuneration if they work in those countries that are determined by their Department of State as undesirable for US citizens to stay there. And the citizens of the Russian Federation "Halliburton" paid extra when they worked at BV. So it turned out that Americans, Canadians, Dutch tried to get to Siberia, and ours tried to get a job assignment to Egypt or, we think, to the Saud. There was such a "parsley".
          1. +1
            20 September 2019 08: 54
            all the same, there are better places to serve, worse. it’s not so easy to count money
  3. +2
    20 September 2019 08: 06
    Democracy, democracy ... There is nobody to serve in Iraq! laughing
    1. 0
      20 September 2019 08: 52
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Democracy, democracy ... There is nobody to serve in Iraq!

      Well, the officers are not offended in their salaries, and why should he sit in the desert under bullets and sleep in a bulletproof vest and without a family, if you can serve in Florida, and in other civilian places, not a very big win for "coffins".
      1. -3
        20 September 2019 08: 58
        "serve in florida"
        In Florida.
        1. 0
          20 September 2019 09: 01
          Quote: Nycomed
          In Florida.

          It will work out already on "mov". I do not want.
          1. -4
            20 September 2019 09: 11
            It turns out "according to normal", it is: "according to the correct". Sorry. hi
            1. +4
              20 September 2019 09: 28
              Quote: Nycomed
              it is: "on the right".

              Yes, it's hard to say how to
              The state of Florida is located on the peninsula of the same name between the Gulf of Mexico in the west and the Atlantic Ocean in the east, from the south it is washed by the Strait of Florida.
              We say on Kamchatka on Sakhalin, meaning an island, a peninsula. But Florida is also a state, then "in". So it turns out so and so right. hi
              1. -1
                20 September 2019 10: 50
                right, right In Florida and In Florida.
                In Russian with the full official names of the administrative-territorial units (state, republic, state, district, etc.), only the pretext B.
                That is right on the island of Jamaica, but the embassy in Jamaica, as in the state.
                http://www.rejamaica.ru/#3

                hi
                1. -1
                  20 September 2019 12: 49
                  English is spoken in Florida. It will be like this: in the Florida. Literally: "in Florida". But certainly not "ON".
                  1. +1
                    20 September 2019 20: 24
                    English to Russian is not a decree smile
                    https://www.google.com/amp/s/nv.ua/amp/obyavleno-chrezvychaynoe-polozhenie-lyudi-zapasayutsya-edoy-na-floridu-nadvigaetsya-moshchnyy-uragan-dorian-50040146.html
                    1. -1
                      20 September 2019 20: 57
                      Certainly not a decree! Who would argue! But, get ready to live then: in Siberia, in the Urals, in Kursk, in St. Petersburg. in Sakhalin, Vladivostok. Continue? And so, "not a decree", of course!
                      1. +1
                        20 September 2019 21: 04
                        Why did it happen?
                        With geographical names in the Russian language, the preposition B or NA can be used, according to the rule, as it happened in the language.
                        In many cases, NA is used with territories that have clear boundaries, for example, an island or a peninsula, but this is not the rule — maybe in Crimea, or maybe in Taimyr.
                        In your case, Vladivostok and St. Petersburg are the names of administrative-territorial units, with them there is only an excuse B, as I wrote above, this rule is without exception.
                      2. 0
                        20 September 2019 21: 15
                        In the Russian language there is such a thing as polysemous words and homonyms.
                        In this case, the spelling is determined by the meaning of the word in context.
                        That is, if you mean the island, then in Jamaica, and if the state with the same name, then in Jamaica.
                        In Florida, the situation is similar.
                  2. 0
                    21 September 2019 08: 30
                    Quote: Nycomed
                    In Florida, they speak English.

                    Well, we are, thank God not in America))) and we speak Russian.
                    Quote: Avior
                    English to Russian is not a decree

                  3. 0
                    21 September 2019 10: 39
                    Quote: Nycomed

                    In Florida, they speak English. It will be like this: in the Florida.

                    It is in English that both "on" and "in" can be done this way, but it is possible that way, but as correctly noted, "English" is not a decree for the Russian. Learn the Great Mighty Russian Language to your friends!
              2. +1
                20 September 2019 22: 50
                I'm already on Masha, oh, sorry in Masha ....
        2. +3
          20 September 2019 11: 12
          "serve in florida"
          In Florida.
          Then in Florida
      2. 0
        20 September 2019 09: 11
        if you can serve in Florida, and in other civilian places,
        They still have mandatory rotation. In some civilians it’s not possible to serve,
        I do not know if the information is correct, but upon receipt of the future type of service troops they still do not know.
  4. +2
    20 September 2019 08: 08
    And in the photo ml. lieutenant? He will not live to see the starle - he will crack at the seams. laughing
    1. +2
      20 September 2019 08: 37
      Quote: Welldone
      And in the photo ml. lieutenant?

      This is a cadet, a second lieutenant (in the US Armed Forces there is no such title "junior lieutenant") stands nearby, on the shoulder straps of a golden tie.
      1. +1
        20 September 2019 08: 43
        The author seems to have reformed the military ranks according to the "Soviet version". laughing
      2. +1
        20 September 2019 09: 51
        I remember the comedy "Police Academy", it looks like they recruit cadets at the West Point according to the same principle.
      3. 0
        20 September 2019 13: 05
        “I beg your pardon, but the insignia of Westpoint cadets are different from those of the army ... One tie on their shoulder straps denotes the rank of" corporal. " The cadet's false shoulder straps most likely bear the emblem of the educational institution ...
    2. +1
      20 September 2019 08: 54
      Quote: Welldone
      He will not live to see the starle - he will crack at the seams.

      Well, this is the cost of "healthy eating" imposed all over the world.
      1. -3
        20 September 2019 14: 52
        Yes, you throw these tales. The average American eats tasty and high quality. Fast food is rare and mostly young and poor.
        1. +1
          20 September 2019 16: 23
          Quote: ROSS_51
          Yes, you throw these tales. The average American eats tasty and high quality.

          Well, who would argue, such a belly does not appear with hunger. (see photo)
    3. +1
      20 September 2019 11: 28
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  5. 0
    20 September 2019 08: 14
    "These are the least prestigious units, which every year, as stated, are experiencing more and more staff shortages at various levels of service."
    And what are these parts? I would like specifics. feel
  6. +3
    20 September 2019 08: 16
    the distribution system in the USSR (and even now) breaks down in connections and blat ... it’s great to ruin the meaning of education in the absence of social elevators, the system stops developing ... marshals of the Stalin era ... whatever the biography ... it's a large family from the outback and stuff like that ... promoting personal qualities ...
    perhaps it’s not ideal BUT it would be entirely working for them to distribute (without the right to replace the year by three) they build a course according to the rating of training ... there is a complete list of distribution (full and open) ... and forward ... everyone has a choice ... only the first ones from the whole list ... and the triplets from the rest ...
    1. -4
      20 September 2019 08: 23
      Gorgeous exit! That is, "good" units will be completed by "good" graduates, and "not very good" graduates will go somewhere to Anadyr. There, let them be promoted "for personal qualities."
      1. +3
        20 September 2019 08: 25
        Quote: Nycomed
        Gorgeous exit! That is, "good" units will be completed by "good" graduates, and "not very good" graduates will go somewhere to Anadyr.

        As if before that in the same USA it was different ...
        1. +3
          20 September 2019 11: 50
          Quote: Volodin
          As if before that in the same USA it was different ...

          Everything is somewhat different there, and there are subtleties about which little is known. For example, American officers even considered service in Western Europe less prestigious than in the United States and agreed to go there only for career purposes, in order to advance later. Moreover, they did not like life in European military camps, as well as the lack of entertainment and other amenities that they were used to in the USA. Well and often the impossibility of working as a wife, who in the United States could have had a very decent job, and which had to be abandoned. Our service abroad was the dream of many military men - this is a fact.
          A little-known fact, but almost 50% of American officers did not serve up to 15 years of service and quit voluntarily, which created a huge turnover in the staff. Our situation was completely different - quitting was a problem for any officer in Soviet times.
          And another little-known figure, but almost 40% of the generals in the US Army were West Point graduates - here you have the blat in the American manner. And to enter there without the signed recommendation of the congressman or the local governor was impossible - this greatly influenced the selection, and was a camouflaged form of protectionism.
          There are still many differences in how our and American graduates were trained, but objectively speaking, West Point graduates were "raw" officers, compared to our graduates, and this was recognized by the Americans themselves, analyzing the combat training and ability to be a commander of graduates of our military schools.
      2. 0
        20 September 2019 11: 56
        Duc and we have the same. Sensible and thieves go to prestigious parts, all the rest - to Transbaikalia, etc.
        1. +1
          20 September 2019 22: 54
          There are three holes in the Union -..., ... and Mary !!!!
          1. 0
            21 September 2019 08: 38
            ... Termez, Kushka and Mary ...
      3. 0
        20 September 2019 20: 26
        you read it ... but apparently didn’t understand (I don’t know what relation they had in the sun) ...
        1. If released, it means that it corresponds to the level of training ... may hold an officer position in any unit (but if the troechnik then choose from the remnants)
        2. You are apparently poorly versed in motivation ... in my time, excellent students went to Vorkuta ... to Novaya Zemlya and Kamchatka ... immediately a captain's position ... length of service for 2/3 and a mandatory replacement for 5 years (or Academy ... who is how motivated)
        3. It's not about good and bad at all ... the question is that if plowing and talent ... then you have a choice and an opportunity at the start due to your efforts ...
    2. +1
      20 September 2019 08: 38
      the distribution system in the USSR (and even now) breaks down in ties and blat

      Not everything is so simple. When a new unit commander arrives, he pulls his friends with whom he can work, gathers his team, and not to say that this is bad for the cause. It is much worse when the commander begins to "butt" with his deputies, then the case definitely suffers.
      in the absence of social elevators, the system stops developing

      I think the elevators still remained in the army. Blat, of course, also exists, where without him. But in the army, anyone can make a career, moving forward due to personal qualities, especially during the period of hostilities.
      Distribution from military schools is carried out including by rating, excellent students are given the right to choose a place of service.
    3. -2
      20 September 2019 09: 34
      For silberwolf88 (SS) In the USSR, "the best of the best", and as "the most prepared", and as "the most loyal to the ideals of the party and the people" after school were sent to TurkVO and further to Afghanistan, to the front line, "the worst and less prepared" to Moscow (to continue to teach in academies, then what they did not learn in school) and in the GDR, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary - to scare "wild, uneducated bears in uniform" peace-loving Europe))))
      1. 0
        20 September 2019 20: 34
        strange comments ... I generally graduated in terry Soviet ... thieves went wherever they want ... excellent students here in different ways)) ... some were distributed in the research institute ... someone went to SAVO after a career ... TurkVO and BEFORE ...
        The best or worst is not about grades ... you can be an excellent student but you don’t understand how to work with a platoon or company ... and be a threesome ... but if you said it quietly ... KNIFE ... the soldiers went into the mud without hesitation ... there are other criteria ... so knees past ... just into the milk
        1. 0
          20 September 2019 21: 34
          For silberwolf88 (SS) Sorry, I didn't write that this is a joke, which is probably understandable only to those who served in TurkVO and in Afghanistan, especially for the first time. But what would someone go to SAVO, ZABVO, and even more so to TURKVO for a career - I don't know, I have never met. For orders or to become a hero - I saw, though some of this category "quickly" finished their heroic campaign, there were cases when subordinates died because of the "heroism" of the chiefs ...
  7. +4
    20 September 2019 08: 27
    the Communists have always been and will be right, the main thing is to crush this pro-Jewish democracy in time with tanks, as in the Tiananmen Square then the economy can be boosted without oil and gas and even more so with natural resources; as well as Bironovism of the 21st century, the dominance of foreigners, will not give us anything
    1. -7
      20 September 2019 08: 31
      The Communist Pol Pot tried the same thing: without oil and gas. It turned out, however, a little bit wrong. request
    2. -5
      20 September 2019 08: 33
      "as well as Bironovism of the 21st century, the dominance of foreigners, will not give us anything"
      Do you mean migrant workers from the CSTO? what
  8. +4
    20 September 2019 08: 42
    It is noted that graduates, who will be distributed in the direction, "must be reconciled with the decision of the command."


    A masterpiece, re-read for a long time ... they don’t have the concept of an order?
  9. +4
    20 September 2019 09: 18
    1. In Soviet military schools, graduates were always asked where they would like to serve, though apart from Western countries and Moscow. Notice the COUNTRIES, not specific parts. The right to choose was enjoyed only by the "red graduates". I've asked to go to the Turkestan district - and there I got to start an officer's service. True, when I was asked why in TurkVO - the answer from me (a southerner), after 4 Siberian winters, was unambiguous - it's warm there, there are apples)))
    2. The next step in the reform of West Point will be the replacement in American diplomas of the "bachelor" entry for the Soviet one - an engineer for the operation of wheeled and tracked vehicles (civilian higher education) - a commander of a combined arms profile (secondary military education) ... And of course compulsory wearing Soviet-style boots and footcloths)))
    1. -2
      20 September 2019 09: 29
      Everything is right! I’m like a native of Alma-Ata, if I graduated from VU, I would have done exactly the same: I would have asked for my homeland. And to me that Moscow together with the GSVG! good
  10. +3
    20 September 2019 09: 26
    Well, that's it, kids, over time you will also learn what potatoes are to peel until the morning for the whole school and how to hand over the guards to the senior courses ..)) At the VOKU now the diploma "bachelor in management" .. ugh ..
  11. +4
    20 September 2019 09: 48
    In England, elite education is being transferred to the Soviet system (message January 2019), the military man is now getting close to the basics of success and courage, having half-f *** ed his ranks. And how many “God's chosen” and “exceptional” militant cynics had been adopted from the Union and introduced into the benefits and development of the pro-fascist state even before that - you cannot count. A lot of techniques and methods of calculation were copied from one planned management of the economy. In the truth "what we have we do not keep." I understand with horror what heights we would have reached at this moment (with other techies, with other managers, with another 30-year-old generation) not allowing at least one of this - an imposed, injected, oligophrenic education rejected by the civilized world. And they would be proud of it, and would share it, and not with annoyance and pretentious prudence watched as in all_different_ cancer_and_how_different_dance_and_how_different_and_docs_and_how_different_and_docs_and_how_different_and_docs_and_how_different_and_different_and_how_different_and_different_and_different_and_how_different_and_different_and_how_different_and_different_and_how_different_and_different_and_different_and_how_different_and_different_and_how_different_and_different_and_how_different_and_how_different_and_how_different_and_how_different_and_how_different_and_differently, twirl the intellectual legacy of the great dead country.
  12. +1
    20 September 2019 09: 58
    Let the Americans come to our military schools to study .. We will quickly teach them to love their homeland! hi The personnel policy during the USSR was perfect and the selection was tough, all steps went from and to .. The same Stalin (son of a shoemaker) Zhukov was also a furrier .. But the world was turned upside down and the country was made a Great World Power, which has gone down in history for centuries !
    As it was said in one well-known Soviet film "To become the wife of a general, you need to go to the deaf garrisons of the whole vast country with a lieutenant and live in barracks feeding mosquitoes and other delights of army life ... And then ... hi
    1. -5
      20 September 2019 10: 49
      ""To become a general’s wife, you need to ride with the lieutenant in the deaf garrisons of the whole huge country and live in the barracks feeding mosquitoes and other charms of army life .. And then .. "
      Start "living" with the whole barracks! Pyotr Todorovsky, X / F "Anchor, still anchor". A front-line soldier, by the way.
      1. +3
        20 September 2019 11: 11
        Quote: Nycomed
        ""To become a general’s wife, you need to ride with the lieutenant in the deaf garrisons of the whole huge country and live in the barracks feeding mosquitoes and other charms of army life .. And then .. "
        Start "living" with the whole barracks! Pyotr Todorovsky, X / F "Anchor, still anchor". A front-line soldier, by the way.

        You spit shit with this comment om all the soul of the Soviet officers .. With your Todorovsky and others .. Who ruined the Army in the 90's with such droplets of poison and now continue your snake business negative
        Quote: Nycomed
        Front-line worker, by the way.

        And I often read such a statement by the front-line comfrey (of whom very few survived at that time ")
        Here is this .. "After the front in the trenches I became an anti-Semite .."
        This is the real utterance in the terrible memoirs of that time, the Todorkovskys and others, keep quiet about it .. soldier Tashkent, that's where the "cadres" later rushed to Moscow, with their scribbles and whining ..
        1. -3
          20 September 2019 11: 37
          Ek pushed you, yes you, my friend, to the doctor, preferably a Jew! Yes
        2. -3
          20 September 2019 11: 43
          "." After the front, I became an anti-Semite in the trenches ..""
          And what about it: after the front and in the trenches? In "civilian life" dug out of habit? Learn to place punctuation marks correctly, as is customary in the Russian language, and not in the one that you, Dear, taught. You, for a second, are on the Russian-language site. Check out its rules. negative
          1. +3
            20 September 2019 21: 01
            Quote: Nycomed
            And what about it: after the front and in the trenches? In "civilian life" dug out of habit? Learn punctuation marks

            And I didn’t specifically put punctuation marks ... heh heh
            If the protest is Jewish, then the signs will pay attention, and not the essence of the comment !!! negative
            Come on here at the front end, don’t go bastard .. With yamolt komenty?
            1. -3
              20 September 2019 21: 52
              Yes, you are also a banal boor, besides. And you have no "essence", except in pants, from senile prostatitis. Take care of yourself, Dear! Warm pants are a must. Summer is over. It's time to warm up. Yes
  13. 0
    20 September 2019 11: 12
    The topic has not been disclosed. Changing the principle of distributing graduates to military units is not a reform of the military academy, let alone a "Soviet version." Undergraduate and graduate programs are just the principles of state certification of graduates, they are not related to the content of the training course. The problems of education are not in the form, but precisely in the content, in isolation from the tasks of the state, state structure, region, and a specific business entity. Roughly speaking, the student receives and the graduate has the wrong direction, the wrong level of knowledge and skills that is required. And the education system is not capable of giving what is required. As a result, it is not staff training that takes place, but "certification". That's all.
  14. +3
    20 September 2019 12: 12
    The American military education system is fundamentally different from the Soviet and current Russian. Each has its own pros and cons. The Americans are preparing a "general second lieutenant" in their three academies. They have a very serious fundamental background - mathematics, physics, foreign languages, "computer science", history. Many items to choose from. During the training, the cadet determines what is more interesting for him - for someone to tinker with machines, someone with computers. And someone "dumb and brave" (no offense) wants to be the commander of an infantry platoon. In the fourth year, subjects are already chosen that are useful for the kind of service. After graduation, they go to complete their studies according to the profile for the corresponding courses. Roughly speaking: those who studied radio electronics in depth go to the "communications courses" and study there Harris and the organization of communications, those who study strength of materials and theormech go to the Abrams study courses.
    With us, if you entered because of your youth, stupidity, for example, in Kazan - that's all, after realizing in a year or two that this "not yours" will not jump anywhere. But our cadet, from the first year, is imbued with the traditions of those troops in which he entered the Higher Educational Institution.
    I think, from the point of view of personnel officers, the American system is more flexible, because it’s easier for the personnel officers to make a prediction of how many lieutenants in which troops will be needed for two or three years, than for five years, like ours.
    Who cares - on the Internet there are sites of American academies with structure, disciplines, curricula.
  15. +1
    20 September 2019 13: 57
    Quote: Spade
    And in terms of preparation, all the same, they are great at developing the brains of their graduates. Do not forget to give normal physical training.

    Recently I met with such a lieutenant colonel both preparation, and pumped up, as well as excellent knowledge of the Russian language.
  16. 0
    20 September 2019 23: 53
    The photo is not a cadet, but just a fireman in full dress, what does the photo have to do with the text?

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