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Friendship with India. Geography and Technology

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Chose India


The topic of Russian-Indian cooperation somehow shamefully and rapidly disappeared from news tapes after the Eastern Economic Forum, without receiving proper analysis. Well, unless, of course, you do not consider the traditional "hurray, hurray, we won" as such an analysis without specifying how, where and who. What is in reality? And in it it is seen that, having moved between the West, China and a number of regional powers, the Kremlin has chosen India.




We must say right away that with certain reservations, this direction can only be welcomed. No kidding. India has long been no longer a country of slums, but quite a rising economic and geopolitical giant. If neighboring China has already rested on its ceiling for a number of indicators, then the Indian potential has only just begun to be realized. This is a fact that cannot be denied.

However, a number of questions remain. And they do not even concern Indian interests - they are just understandable: the supply of Russian raw materials and the sale of finished products. It's about what the leadership of the Russian Federation wants.

But questions remain


For example, it is known that the leaders of the two countries announced a new shipping route Vladivostok - Chennai. The good news in any case, however, is completely incomprehensible. For example, how it will be coordinated with another, even larger-scale project. Specifically, the North-South transport corridor.

Recall that this project provided for the continuous flow of goods from the European part of Russia and Europe itself through the Caucasus, the Caspian and Central Asia to Iran, and later by sea - to Indian Mumbai. The idea is not illusory - a number of initiatives are already being implemented under it, which were important in themselves. For example, a bypass highway around Volgograd, which was conceived for several decades, but only began to be built now.

Therefore, it is interesting to know whether the North-South project actually began to curtail in favor of a purely sea route from Vladivostok to Chennai? It is known that land lines are inferior in profitability to waterways. That is why, in particular, China carries coal for its coastal provinces already from distant Australia, and not from its own continental basins. It is possible, however, that it is planned to launch both transport projects in parallel, but there is no definite answer from officials yet.

And if the waters of the Caspian basin Russia, alone or together with Iran, is still able to control, then the southern waters right up to Mumbai are not. Obviously, in any threatened period in international relations, such a configuration will become an indestructible source of problems, unless the Indians take over the security of the Arabian Sea.

Otherwise, you will either have to agree with Pakistan on a land route or look for other non-standard solutions, which certainly will not happen under the current leadership of Russia.

Russia needs technology


And, most importantly, why all this effort? No, the desire to sell non-renewable resources to India, from oil and diamonds to timber, is understandable. Why are we worse than Africa, after all?

But if we cast aside the evil irony, it is obvious that modern Russia needs technology. A lot in all areas. And not technological consumer goods, but something extremely breakthrough.

But is there something similar with India? Yes. There is. And a lot. In various areas, New Delhi has promising developments, if not at the forefront of progress, then very close to it. But ... The technology of tomorrow is not customary to share. At all. Exceptions to the general rule are extremely rare. For example, knowledge of this level is acquired by winning a war from a defeated enemy or by concluding a close alliance. And not just cramped, but cramped. Or the country does not have money to develop its own idea and you have to bow to strangers.



One way or another, whether India is ready to share technologies of this level is still a big question. Most probably not. Instead, we are ready to offer only finished products and technologies, albeit still modern, but rapidly becoming obsolete.

Patents and Sanctions


Even assuming that our partners agree to transfer something from a breakthrough, another question arises. The fact is that India may not own patents for all the elements of the chain, and some of them belong to the United States and European Union states. And then what? Right, sanctions. Which immediately cuts the whole initiative in the bud, no matter how wonderful it is painted.

That's all, after that it makes no sense to discuss the other “if”, which, by the way, also abound. For example, possible participation in Pakistan’s North-South corridor project. Or about whether the industry of the Russian Federation will be able to master and perceive Indian technologies in general, if it is possible to agree on their transfer. And if so, for how long - in the modern world, technology, as you know, is perishable goods.

Apparently, this is why there is no fanfare about the next "breakthrough" in the East. And there is no quality analytics. There is nothing to analyze but the next armory contracts that by themselves have not made the weather for a long time.
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  1. Nitarius
    Nitarius 20 September 2019 05: 12
    +3
    probably lagged behind life .. at one time they bought an Indian thermal shock camera ... the technology of the last century also endured the brain! therefore, I doubt that the Indians have something! maybe I'm wrong .. but I don’t see yet!
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 20 September 2019 07: 28
      +8
      but I don’t see yet!

      Since 2014, Western sanctions have not allowed Russia to import military electronics from countries such as the United States.
      China, India and others ...
      Because of this, over the past three years, Russia began to purchase aerospace and aviation products in friendly countries, including China and India. The level of electronic technology in the Russian aviation industry is also not flattering. For example, the Su-35 fighter uses 3000 of various types of microcircuits, and many of them are of foreign origin.
      For example, our Su-30СМ fighter is equipped with the French navigation system Thales Pingxian and Sigma. The most amazing thing is that the Su-30СМ fighter uses a fire control system developed by India. In 2014, the Russian Irkut Corporation purchased 34 computers from Hindustan Airlines for the H011M Irbis radar control system, and then ordered even more 100 units.
      Thus, one of the most powerful aviation powers in the world buys high-performance computers in a backward country that is not able to produce its own aircraft.

      I haven’t quoted everything yet, there is about Glonass, individual parts, which are also purchased abroad.
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 20 September 2019 08: 38
        0
        What a nonsense. If their electronics are on our aircraft, then they are interested in buying our aircraft. Joint affairs bring together. And if the quality of their electronics suits the military, then maybe not everything is so bad. And if China, in the distant future, can become a foe to us, then India does not seem so.
        And squealing "your own", well, do it, who does not? Financing, as long as it is possible in Indian, because in the summer. Although it is insulting, everything was and were ahead of the rest of the planet, but the revolution, 90s, Urya-urya ...
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 22 September 2019 08: 46
          0
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          If their electronics are on our aircraft, then they are interested in buying our aircraft.
          Their electronics are on airplanes because we just bought it from a private Indian company. All. We bought - they sold. This has nothing to do with the plans of the Indian military for the purchase of aircraft in Russia.
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          Joint affairs bring together.
          Americans buy from us engines for space rockets and titanium for planes. Are we really close to this?
      2. Lexus
        Lexus 20 September 2019 10: 18
        +4
        Nevertheless, we saw Taiwanese flash drives in the "black box" of the Su-24. And GLONASS, in the course of the near future "everything" - there is nothing to replace the "sanctioning" with, the number of ready-made spare devices is already "in the flow" ...
      3. cormorant
        cormorant 20 September 2019 11: 38
        0
        I haven’t quoted everything yet, there is about Glonass, individual parts, which are also purchased abroad.
        Even mattresses buy Chinese chips and Israeli weapons. This does not mean they are behind them in technology.
      4. evgen1221
        evgen1221 20 September 2019 19: 25
        +3
        Reading the first 2 paragraphs slightly in a step, the sanctions do not allow you to buy technology of the military industrial complex from China and India, and therefore the Russian Federation buys them from friendly China and India, is that how ????
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 20 September 2019 19: 58
          +1
          What is it like
          Inaccurately copied. After the United States a space. China, India and others ... this is the headline for the next. In the copy, as you correctly noticed, everything looks in one line.
    2. Civil
      Civil 20 September 2019 07: 29
      +12
      Why look for someone to lie under? Now under China, then under India, then friend Rajap. Maybe it's time to do something ourselves.
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood 22 September 2019 08: 47
        +2
        Quote: Civil
        Maybe it's time to do something ourselves.
        And what, so could chtoli? belay
      2. bayard
        bayard 22 September 2019 22: 42
        0
        Quote: Civil
        Why look for someone to lie under?

        What stupid thing?
        Russia?
        To lie
        Yes, and look for someone?
        The author heaped up problems without any analysis of mutual trade and mutual programs. In India, Russia is building ATOMIC EL. STATIONS! A lot and expensive. Rosneft in India has its own refineries (the largest in the country) and several thousand gas stations. India collects military aircraft from our car kits, and is also very interested in our MiG-35s, and they like them. Supply of S-400. They want to collect IL-114 and light helicopters. These are all high-tech projects.
        About the North-South overpass ... yes, indeed, it has been silent about him lately. And this is not surprising - it became very turbulent around Iran, and after all, it is a key transit country in this project. Sanctions against Iran do not allow him to fully carry out his part of the work. And the threat of war in the region is not the best incentive for such work.
        And here is the latest news - about the provision of Iran from China 400 billion dollars. ... instead of China's priority rights to economic activity ... how will China react to the North-South project? After all, this is competition for his "silk roads" ...
        But energy projects involving India are a counterweight to China’s participation in similar ones. And new markets for these resources.

        So everything is going fine.
        But adjusted for changes in the current moment.
        Having good trade and partnerships with countries such as China, India, Iran, Turkey, Pakistan ... it is worth a lot.
  2. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 20 September 2019 05: 53
    +2
    Even assuming that our partners agree to transfer something from a breakthrough, another question arises. The fact is that India may not own patents for all the elements of the chain, and some of them belong to the United States and European Union states. And then what? Right, sanctions.
    Everywhere you go, sanctions are everywhere.
  3. parusnik
    parusnik 20 September 2019 07: 00
    +10
    it is obvious that modern Russia needs technology. A lot in all areas. And not technological consumer goods, but something extremely breakthrough. But is India similar? Yes. There is. And a lot.
    ... Nnda ... probably so, for Russian technologies in various fields, there’s a queue, something isn’t building up ... You read the regional news, one or another production was launched here or there, using someone else’s foreign technology .. to read that they started production using exclusive Russian technology ... In principle, with our modern education, starting from school, we are doomed to buy technology in India ... And we started with coffee, tea, textiles, rice ... contraceptives ...
    1. Jager
      Jager 24 September 2019 19: 39
      0
      Indian tea is quite imagined, rice is also quite good.
      But as for contraceptives ... once bought Indian. Not cheap. In 5 minutes, everyone broke. The evening was spoiled, but now it’s clear why the Indians are under a billion))
  4. bandabas
    bandabas 20 September 2019 07: 08
    +1
    And there are also exercises where India and Pakistan are present. Insanity grows stronger. Volka ibn Alyosha must remain in the past.
  5. Thrifty
    Thrifty 20 September 2019 07: 14
    +10
    And we have that the brains atrophied, without the ideas of others, nothing gets into your head? It’s necessary, and for a long time, it’s just necessary to give money, and Russia will be able to receive the conditions for its specialists and technological breakthrough without foreign technologies.
    1. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 20 September 2019 12: 12
      +1
      A breakthrough alone will not work out, as we lost a lot of time and frankly lagged behind, unfortunately.
    2. Greenwood
      Greenwood 22 September 2019 08: 50
      +2
      Quote: Thrifty
      for a long time you just need to give money
      We usually only take money in the form of taxes.
      Quote: Thrifty
      create conditions for their specialists
      lol lol lol
      Quote: Thrifty
      technological breakthrough without foreign technology Russia itself will be able to get

      This topic does not concern domestic politics, so I will not write here why there will be no breakthroughs in the current situation in Russia.
  6. Alex66
    Alex66 20 September 2019 08: 34
    +6
    What is there in reality? And it appears in her that, having been tagged between the West, China and a number of regional powers, the Kremlin opted for India.
    As always, until the roasted rooster the elite of ours bites its face to its people. And the concept of building communes .., capitalism in a single country with a human face does not fit.
  7. Glory1974
    Glory1974 20 September 2019 08: 58
    +2
    flown between the West, China and a number of regional powers, the Kremlin opted for India.

    The Kremlin has been cooperating with India since Soviet times, and nothing has changed since then. The level of cooperation has been constant for many years.
    unless the Indians take over the security of the Arabian Sea.

    And why are we selling them ships, are we letting us use nuclear submarines?
    In various areas, New Delhi has promising developments, if not at the forefront of progress, then very close to it.

    Was recently at an Indian exhibition, saw many Indian quality goods. Fabrics, spices, furniture, carpets. Everything is in the national style, unusual. The palmist especially struck me. No jokes! Just took my palm and talked about my whole past life. After I began to believe him, I spoke about the future. This is really art and science, we are far from that.
    In industrial technologies, except for computer and software, the Indians have nothing to which we were not aware.
    it is interesting to know whether the North-South project actually began to curtail in favor of a purely sea route from Vladivostok to Chennai?

    This statement is generally amusing. Author did you look at the map? Where is the transport corridor to Europe and where is Vladivostok located?
    Apparently, that's why fanfare is not heard about the next "breakthrough" in the East. And there is no quality analytics.

    Here I agree. We have been cooperating for many years, what fanfaps can there be? I have never seen any quality analytics. I take this opportunity to send greetings to Indian friends who studied in Tashkent as doctors in the late 80's.
  8. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 20 September 2019 09: 47
    +4
    Something The author has rolled his lips about the Indian "breakthrough" technologies so that at the time a special seamer must be ordered ... what is available will not work! And what about the Indians? To recall the "adage": "If I knew the buy-in, I would live in Sochi"! If the Indians had "to the fig" of breakthrough technologies, would they bow to the developed countries, to Russia? No. Many of the technologies that they are really developing are the development of "licensed" technologies or the Indians "directly" use the "licensed"! This means that if the "damned West" wants to sharply outrage the "generous" Indians, then it will have "rights and opportunities" for this ... (Let, for example, the Indians create "their own" miracle medicine ... but the ingredients for it will have to be cleaned on American centrifuges ... and. if the staff members get bogged down on the "Indians", then they will be left first without spare parts, and then without centrifuges ...) And "escho" ... why is the belief that without "foreign" -and neither there, nor syudy !? Why are the mantras so tenacious in our country: "abroad, everything is better ...", "abroad will help us ...", "well, this is Siemens!" ? Why were India and China able to develop technologies, while Russia was not? After all, Russia had the same time, and "personnel", and a production base, and a more or less qualified "labor force", and, at the very least, but still access to technologies ... I have made its technological base, and now - "Padaaite, who can INTO!"
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 22 September 2019 08: 53
      +3
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      Russia had the same time, and "personnel", and a production base, and a more or less qualified "labor force", and, at the very least, but still access to technology
      All this remained in the past, in Soviet times.
    2. Jager
      Jager 24 September 2019 19: 42
      0
      In pharmacies, a sea of ​​drugs of Indian origin.
  9. Den717
    Den717 20 September 2019 09: 50
    0
    One way or another, whether India is ready to share technologies of this level is still a big question. Most probably not. Instead, we are ready to offer only finished products and technologies, albeit still modern, but rapidly becoming obsolete.

    Another burst of "everything is gone"! Any cooperation between states, especially those with such a long past, is a two-way road. The author focused his article on the topic of our needs for Indian technology, as if this is the meaning of cooperation, as if we ourselves are so technologically backward that even India has an undeniable advantage here. In fact, the fact is only that Hindus are people with their own culture of communication, including business, which is difficult for us to understand and take into account. India is not to a lesser extent, but most likely to a greater extent, is interested in obtaining our technologies in various directions, and therefore they try to condition all purchases of an industrial product on the transfer of technologies and competencies. And here it is important to consider one more point. India, as it was a backward economy, has remained the same to this day. But given the size of the country and the population, the state has the ability, even in these conditions, to concentrate large resources in concentrated areas. Therefore, poor India can afford projects that rich Denmark, for example, does not even try to think about. Size does matter. This is more to the topic of the fallacy of the runaway of the countries of the founders of the USSR in national apartments. The combined economic, and ideally also the socio-political, space of Russia, Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan in total would give a cumulative effect of development and sovereignty, incomparable with that of each individual state today. In this case, the political elites have clearly worked and are working today against the interests of the peoples of our countries. This is how I see a lesson from India and China.
  10. cormorant
    cormorant 20 September 2019 11: 33
    +2
    India is no longer a country of slums
    Author, I advise you to visit India. Pictures from the Internet do not reflect all that wonderful smell and unsanitary conditions. No need to go to the hinterland, just turn off the main street of the capital.
    But is there something similar with India? Yes. There is. And a lot. In various areas, New Delhi has promising developments, if not at the forefront of progress, then very close to it.
    And you can a little specifics. What they have, what we don’t have. You can long list in what India is behind us. But in what breakthrough technologies they surpass us, I can’t even call them right away. Nothing comes to mind. Maybe only IT and robotics, but even in this we at least do not lag behind.
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 22 September 2019 08: 59
      +1
      Quote: cormorant
      Pictures from the Internet do not reflect all that wonderful smell and unsanitary conditions.
      Yes, the photo in the article is not India at all. It’s like Shanghai, in the distance the Shanghai TV tower is visible, you can’t confuse it with anything.
      The same Mumbai is kilometers of slums.
  11. Butterfly Killer
    Butterfly Killer 20 September 2019 15: 48
    0
    I’ve read several articles on the subject of some kind of corridors, tunnels, paths, channels and other nonsense. Why is Russia considered as a transit station for everyone else? Only suitable for the transport of goods due to geo-location and as a raw material base, so what? What a role, not really, to be honest. Which one will plan the transportation of goods in potentially dangerous places? Which Iran? Which is Pakistan? You would have written about the corridor through Afghanistan or Somalia! And about the sanctions - everything is true, it will only get worse, which means that they will not work with us because of the toxicity of the relationship.
  12. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 21 September 2019 14: 56
    +2
    For 10 years now, Indians from time to time have been probing the soil in our office for the delivery of highly sophisticated equipment to them. And every time everything breaks down after a year. Now all communication with them causes me a persistent disgust. Gypsies in the bazaar, one word.
  13. Basarev
    Basarev 22 September 2019 20: 45
    0
    To what have survived. We are already heading for technology to India. We are too proud to negotiate with the West, China has refused ... Only the country of caste system and culture of rape remains.
  14. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 26 September 2019 07: 56
    0
    And here is a photo of Shanghai? Or write one, and two in the mind?