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And the judges - what?

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Deliberately replaced the word “justice” with “judicial system”. In recent years, more and more, many in the country have the impression that with justice ... we are not very “right”.




Although, as one of our cheers-patriotic readers said, “do not be a liberal, and the Russian Guard is not afraid of you.”

I doubt it. We will leave Rosguard alone, but for now. But let's talk about the courts.

Today, in Russia, another case, openly fabricated, is heard. For what purpose it is difficult to understand. But they already say that Pavel Ustinov is quite on the way to becoming the second Ivan Golunov.

Ustinov was convicted at 3,5 of the year for "attacking an employee of the Russian Guard." Despite the fact that there was a lot of evidence to the contrary, including the operational shooting of the Rosguard itself.

The judge simply ignored this evidence and refused to consider it. Ustinov received a sentence, respectively, the case received publicity thanks to the support of the acting guild and reached the Kremlin.

The Kremlin seemed to have watched the video, Peskov spoke at an official level, but did not say anything interesting. “The Kremlin cannot influence the court’s decision” and all that sort of thing.

Well, yes, of course, it is necessary to demonstrate what an impartial court we have ...

“It doesn’t matter at all whether they watched the video in the Kremlin or didn’t watch it, this is not a basis for legal actions. The only basis for legal action is an appeal, let's wait for it ”(Sands).

Tradition, of course, is fresh, but for some reason it is believed with great difficulty. And first of all, because, according to relevant sources, including human rights sources, today we do not pass acquittals.

Examples are thousands, if not tens of thousands.

Yes, someone almost immediately goes on parole, we will not point fingers at Vasiliev, Mamaev, Kokorin, or even some people don’t even get to court. "Some" are those who are "their own." Which is not abandoned today.

And there are those who sit down and sit in any situation, except one.

The organizer of the “Russian Spring” in Sevastopol, Gennady Basov, was sitting for not taking a bribe. He sat down by Dmitry Gorin, who we defended, and received the punishment of the wife of Novikov, who miraculously did not “kill” a police officer.

In general, recently, in the light of this strange “law” on the protection of employees of organs, a strange picture has been obtained. With the selection of personnel, we are simply in trouble. These are recruited according to the announcements of employees to the police and the Russian Guard, that they are simply beaten, humiliated and insulted.

What can I say if Novikova, who had a baby in her arms, was so stumbled by a police officer that he was forced to seek medical help? True, he did not succeed in clearly proving that he was beaten by Novikova, but the judge did not care, and the Novikovs received their terms.

And since they are not actors and not journalists, then, accordingly, no one went to the Kremlin with their problem.

And in the “era of mercy” of the Vainer brothers, Sharapov said that if the law is applied the way one wants, it is no longer a law, but a brush.

Considering how this “law” is being implemented today, how the police, Rosgvardiyskie and investigative officers hide their violations of the law, it turns out that here it is, a brush for the people.

Judge for yourself, here are the numbers and facts.



Taken here.

What are these numbers talking about? About much. Someone may say that the Russians massively went crazy and began to physically attack and verbally abuse the authorities. But it looks more like the judges just started “riveting” these articles at a Stakhanov pace.

And separately I ask you to pay attention to how many people were justified.

Acquittal. Sentences. No. I. Not. Will be.

From last year's data, this can be seen quite clearly.

I wonder how it will be in the future? It is clear that anonymous representatives in masks and helmets from Rosguard will still grab everyone in a row, regardless of whether a person came to an unregistered rally or just stood by the subway.

And the courts will instantly stamp sentences.

By the way, the fact that Ustinov just stood by the subway and waited for the convoy to pass through clearly follows from the video materials presented to the court. But the judge did not deign to get acquainted with them, and Ustinov received his sentence.

But there’s nothing, you know, to go out into the streets when the Russian Guard is willing to work.

In general, from the practice of recent years, it follows that if representatives of the Russian Guard have approached you, you need to quickly collapse into the mud, it is advisable to beat their shoes so that you have something to answer in court and wait for your sentence.

And the court will try to make the verdict as fair as possible.

But excuse me, even Secretary of the General Council of the United Russia party, vice speaker of the Federation Council Andrei Turchak, saw that Ustinov was "out of business"! And he publicly called the verdict unfair. According to Turchak, the video proves Ustinov's innocence. But according to the judge - no.

Or the secretary of the EP General Council has a conscience, but the judge is somewhat incomprehensible.

In general, Turchak’s words that “that the guy was just standing near the metro” are strong. And from such a high-ranking "United Russia" - and in general.

Turchak also noted that, despite the fact that an officer of the Russian National Guard stumbled and fell during the detention, the video records indicate that Ustinov “didn’t attack, push, even touch”.

And the court, our entire so fair Russian court, refused to consider the video with Ustinov’s detention, which shows how Ustinov is standing with the phone in his hands and headphones. A man at all could talk and not see that the Rosgvardi’s were rushing towards him.

As a result, they simply shot him down, but what about the fact that there was another unlucky little hand to his own hand, Ustinov, then what?

Naturally, colleagues in the shop went to the defense. Immediately, our main lawyer for the authorities, Mr. Solovyov, came out, with just remarkable support for the court’s decision, they say, one shouldn’t directly defend Ustinov so blindly. Then, however, Vladimir Rudolfovich turned on the rear speed, slightly changing his position.

However, we are again holding a resonant case, which is likely to be reviewed in favor of Ustinov. I sincerely hope so.

In general, to what extent is our court today professional, independent, non-corrupt and fair?

I am sure that every word can be safely quoted.

Our court is really independent. From nothing, and especially from the people. And the Russian court has long ceased to be popular, as it was during the USSR, and became state.

If we again turn to the numbers, today the court zealously defends the interests of the state. And citizens actually have no opportunity to prove their innocence.

But the drunk judge, who got behind the wheel and being "in the arc", has every right to bring down a citizen. And he will not be anything. He, the judge, is now beyond judgment. And even if it is under jurisdiction, then among colleagues. And as you know, a raven will not peck out a raven's eye.

About professionalism, too, legends can already be made up. The observed cases show that one can simply be touched by looking at how our judges stubbornly "do not see" violations by public servants.

Independence? Well yes.

The Russian state court today has become a kind of closed structure where people "from the outside" simply cannot get. But the children and relatives of those already serving there - easily. And everyone in sweat works for the good of the state. The results are in the table.

And what do we get?

It turns out that the Russian people are really driven into a dead end. And in this impasse, the choice, in fact, is not rich. Or you are heartfelt, praising everything that happens in the country (as a fair number of our readers do) and you like inflation, rising prices, unemployment, pension robberies (in the future, another cumulative experiment), corruption, theft and other pleasures of today ( you don’t have to speak, rather tacit approval), or you are not ours and welcome to the system where the Russian Guard, the police and the court will quickly teach you how to be happy with everything.

Here you have in fact another episode of modern repression, which simply received publicity. And how many such episodes in the field is hard to say. But you can get behind bars simply because the corresponding employees did not like you. And there’s no chance.

Here the word "repression" I used for a reason. Figures are a stubborn thing. They are planting.

Now one of the “same ones” will have prepared a phrase like “there is nothing to go to unauthorized rallies, and there will be no problems”.

Well yes, it really won't. But now, as practice has shown, you can not go to the rally, but get three and a half years.

Actually, everything that happened is the result of the clumsy work of law enforcement and the pro-state judiciary.

And the result is quite predictable: the society is annoyed by the next repressive episode, and even the representative (very influential) of the party in power disagrees with the court decision.

The completely unprofessionally working Rosguard and absolutely blind court are not the pillars of democracy that we should rely on if we are talking about the social society of a developed country.

This, excuse me, is more like the working attributes of the power of a police state. And nothing can be done about it, alas. We have what we have.
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  1. carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 20 September 2019 05: 17
    -67
    oh)))) yes cheat you say ... here is a disgrace ...
    1. WILL
      WILL 20 September 2019 05: 35
      +87
      Just numbers:
      the percentage of acquittals under Stalin - 13%
      currently 0,8%
      So, I don’t want anyone to fall under the press of Our judicial system, the matter has reached the court - there will be a verdict!
      The court was People’s! And now which one is unknown ...
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 20 September 2019 07: 32
        +38
        Quote: ANIMAL
        The court was People’s! And now which one is unknown ...

        Why it is not known, now the court is corporate-capitalist ..
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 20 September 2019 08: 13
          +59
          Policemen already fully justify their reputation from the time of the Great Patriotic War. You are not surprised at anything. Whether it is tossing up drugs, torturing people in cells ... or billions of rubles crammed into three-room apartments.

          Match them and the judge. "Golden" judge Khakhalev is worth something! But the judges do not "shine" like that - after all, they are intellectually and of higher rank. Nevertheless, the table given in the article suggests that the state has joined in the struggle with its citizens and began to punish dissent. What kind of justice is there!

          And what is a state without justice? A gang of robbers, and more. (Aurelius Augustine)
          1. Zliy_mod
            Zliy_mod 20 September 2019 09: 24
            +21
            With Yanyka, we had the same thing that you now have. And then the Maidan happened, I won’t argue who arranged it, rigged it and took advantage of the results, but then the people came out against the corrupt authorities en masse, it took a long time to accumulate, judges and prosecutors really felt like gods on earth.
            1. gurzuf
              gurzuf 20 September 2019 09: 58
              +3
              So that after the Maidan the corrupt power ended?
            2. Stoker of the stoker
              Stoker of the stoker 20 September 2019 13: 26
              +4
              Not funny. How many yanyk was there in power? And your maidan happened for another reason.
            3. NF68
              NF68 22 September 2019 15: 04
              +1
              Quote: Zliy_mod
              With Yanyka, we had the same thing that you now have. And then the Maidan happened, I won’t argue who arranged it, rigged it and took advantage of the results, but then the people came out against the corrupt authorities en masse, it took a long time to accumulate, judges and prosecutors really felt like gods on earth.


              Before Yanyk, none of this happened?
          2. Lexus
            Lexus 20 September 2019 09: 44
            0
            I am Galsan - and I am Galsan, I am a judge - and I am a judge

            Sorry, inspired hi
          3. Kronos
            Kronos 20 September 2019 11: 10
            +4
            Yeah, recently in Moscow 2 an ensign who became insolent with USB was shot when they tried to throw money to him, though only one died 2 can survive
          4. Greg Miller
            Greg Miller 20 September 2019 12: 02
            +28
            And the "golden judge", in addition to using the diploma bought in the underground passage, is also a citizen of Georgia ...
          5. snake
            snake 20 September 2019 12: 12
            +31
            Quote: Stas157
            Policemen already fully justify their reputation

            But what good is to expect from the structure, which immediately after the formation was ashamed of its own official name (Federal Service for Troops national guard Russian Federation) and took a pseudonym (Rosgvardia). I'm not talking about SOBR and Special Forces, which really are the Guard, but the "cosmonauts" are turning into natural dogs of the regime. True, they are among the "heroes" among other hipsters (although even here they manage to get "battle wounds"), but if one has to act against the Caucasians, then they become silk.
            1. evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
              evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru 22 September 2019 11: 05
              +7
              Punitive units have always been, are and will be. Look at the experience of the Second World War. How guerrillas and civilians to drive - so they ,, heroes ,, and how they met with the Red Army - in Vaterland for reformation. Ukrainian ,, Tornado ,, that was against the militia of New Russia? So - ,, popsicle on a stick ,,. But then make fun of the peaceful - just give. There ,, hair stand on end ,, that the villains did. They were judged, by the way, in Ukraine. Adequate people are missing everywhere. That would put the freaks in place. It’s a pity the CREATORS cleverly learned to use the formula, divide and conquer,
              1. snake
                snake 22 September 2019 12: 03
                +4
                Yes, it’s even worse. It seems not a war; like all their own; the riot police themselves seem to complain about non-payment of overtime and housing problems, but here you go - they stand behind the wall. And their work is hard - to beat the boys with ten of them. No wonder retired at 45. Deserved!
          6. SHURUM -BURUM
            SHURUM -BURUM 20 September 2019 12: 32
            0
            A photo is not inserted ((
          7. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 21 September 2019 08: 50
            -4
            and you specifically do not mind that the police in the prince of people-does not plant? or maybe you specifically condemned?
      2. Lexus
        Lexus 20 September 2019 09: 41
        -19
        It's simple - the judge must issue a JUDGMENT! The acquittal is the merit of the lawyer. This means that the case should have been initially "wrapped up" by the prosecution. Alas, these are the realities.
      3. tracer
        tracer 21 September 2019 04: 53
        -22
        "Kgovy Putinvseh" ... how did you get the offended .. Communists intertwined with Navalny and the camarilla in love ecstasy. Covering all this action with a scribe, that is, sable meat. At least minus the Protestants are crap. In any country in the world, a person who participates in an illegal action will receive a backbone. Don't you want to go .... little freedom? So the Rosguards will also be free to beat them with clubs.
        1. Petrograd
          Petrograd 21 September 2019 23: 22
          +9
          Quote: tracer
          "Kgovy Putinvseh" ... how did you get the offended .. Communists intertwined with Navalny and the camarilla in love ecstasy. Covering all this action with a scribe, that is, sable meat. At least minus the Protestants are crap. In any country in the world, a person who participates in an illegal action will receive a backbone. Don't you want to go .... little freedom? So the Rosguards will also be free to beat them with clubs.

          It was you who got sick, YOU are very happy about the cancellation of the pension, do you have a lot of health and life expectancy over 85? Wow, there are no hospitals, as the fabulous galley rower said, hold on, work and die. Blizzard-you-a misunderstanding creature, eating off popcorn watching "T-34" on palm oil, a Turkish tomato snack and forget-shot at close range and back. It's not enough for you to go out and eat and enjoy-SLAVE.
          1. tracer
            tracer 22 September 2019 04: 39
            -13
            AND YOU ARE NOT A SLAVE BUT JUST OAK. Because thoughts simply cannot appear in an empty hollow. Only protein protein with nuts. You, even by roughly naivety, do not understand how the economy works. For you, everything is just "Putin will leave and put things in order." Fuck you oak chubanos. Come friend to meetings and petings. They will be waiting for you with invigorating massagers.
          2. tracer
            tracer 22 September 2019 05: 40
            -12
            And what did you do for your country except that you wrote "NERAB" into the jar with analyzes? If you cheer up the hunt, let's go out to the mountain republics of the shaitans to catch people in the Donbass to protect them from Bandera. You will not go with the glass, you cowardly. Because there you are a non-worker in a zindan, or they will create something like that ... The essence of your non-slave, and people like you, urine under your pants from fear and dancing with antics in front of the Russian Guard on camera.

            .
            1. Petrograd
              Petrograd 22 September 2019 23: 49
              +4
              Quote: tracer
              And what did you do for your country except that you wrote "NERAB" into the jar with analyzes? If you cheer up the hunt, let's go out to the mountain republics of the shaitans to catch people in the Donbass to protect them from Bandera. You will not go with the glass, you cowardly. Because there you are a non-worker in a zindan, or they will create something like that ... The essence of your non-slave, and people like you, urine under your pants from fear and dancing with antics in front of the Russian Guard on camera.

              He played his own: - 99g. Yugoslavia, serving on the KChF as the Chief Ship Sergeant Major. Since 2004, I have been running my business, where representatives, as you said, of the mountain republics of shaitans, were beaten by bosko for assaults and threats (although "uryapatriots" like you stood on the sidelines and ran away, afraid for a co-religionist Orthodox and Russian, "mate" ). Don't be smart "patriot". I don't care about dill, in particular in the Donbass, they wanted freedom and independence, they got it, let them sip their own guano. In our city, they were given, as refugees, a dispensary, placed, we wore food for them, clothes, but alas, two days later, these "refugees" asked to bring them only new things with checks and give them only money for food - from which they ran away and what for?
              Regarding the Russian Guard and your insults, you believe it is purple in a speck, you can write from afar, whatever you want, you can even declare yourself the most super-shaman and put some damage on it, by x (mat). Only here is an example from my life, during "showdowns" and conflicts, the brave National Guardsmen, for some reason, do not touch "these Czechs", but Russian and liver and kidney, and the term, answer, how is it? Why did the robbers, armed, attacked my store, they stole, threatening with a weapon, they were free, they were simply released, the court ruled so (the amount of damage is more than 2000000 rubles, especially heavy)? Accordingly, the employee "accidentally took" (apparently the hand trembled from a conversation with him) a gold chain for himself, his wife and his "friend" and his brains are gorgeous, that evening all three with "happy" smiles posted these photos in contact, all three - intelligence or greyhound is off the charts, that's why the photo and promoted this case - bravo, isn't it a "blizzard", the National Guard? So, stop doing a tantrum, take care of your nerves, drink palm oil, eat sausages from cardboard and take care of your health, you have to live up to at least 65 in order to pass debts, loans, mortgages, and so on to your children.
              1. tracer
                tracer 23 September 2019 00: 36
                -3
                Honestly, I also have something to say and remember. Yes, and sometimes you can also clean the medal. The infection turns green .. However, I will not give up my position and views. And precisely because I know what it is to defend the homeland and what is at stake in this case, but most importantly "for what."
                1. Petrograd
                  Petrograd 23 September 2019 01: 28
                  0
                  Quote: tracer
                  Honestly, I also have something to say and remember. Yes, and sometimes you can also clean the medal. The infection turns green .. However, I will not give up my position and views. And precisely because I know what it is to defend the homeland and what is at stake in this case, but most importantly "for what."

                  I, too, will not give up my opinion, on that I will stand. And I’m taught to defend the Motherland, only my experience and knowledge, alas, do not need tolerance-mat, mat, mat. On this note, until good meetings.
                  1. tracer
                    tracer 23 September 2019 01: 33
                    -1
                    Same to you. Try not to offend people. Behind the names on the site are real people with real destinies.
      4. Rimlianin
        Rimlianin 22 September 2019 17: 38
        -1
        Issue the percentage of sentencing sentences of triples to the year so in the 37th. Indeed, the majority of illegally convicted persons are the work of these particular extrajudicial organs.
    2. Civil
      Civil 20 September 2019 07: 58
      +25
      The sunset of the state begins with a huge number of adopted laws that everyone must know, from a grandmother to a 12 year old child, from a disabled person to a pregnant woman. If you do not know, you will pay and suffer. This is the law of late feudalism.
      1. Greg Miller
        Greg Miller 20 September 2019 12: 06
        +36
        Quote: Civil
        The sunset of the state begins with a huge number of adopted laws that everyone must know, from a grandmother to a 12 year old child, from a disabled person to a pregnant woman. If you do not know, you will pay and suffer. This is the law of late feudalism.

        For the collapse of the state quite a bit is enough - you just need to punish the innocent and not punish the guilty ...
      2. New Year day
        New Year day 20 September 2019 20: 43
        +22
        Quote: Civil
        The sunset of the state begins ...

        from the moment when jokes about the first person appear, when the state system causes hatred / irritation, when a person cannot receive medical care, and a child has a free education. Then a person asks himself the question, "why do I need such a state"

        Unfortunately, power is following this path.
      3. your1970
        your1970 21 September 2019 19: 47
        -5
        Quote: Civil
        The sunset of the state begins with a huge number of adopted laws that everyone must know, from a grandmother to a 12 year old child, from a disabled person to a pregnant woman. If you do not know, you will pay and suffer. This is the law of late feudalism.

        How many there Soviet Medvedev repeals laws? Remind please!!!!!
        1900 (!!!!!!!!) pages of titles only .....
        Also, late feudalism was ????
    3. qQQQ
      qQQQ 20 September 2019 09: 00
      -23
      I’m not justifying the current judicial system in any way, but in fairness, I would like to see a video of this episode.
      1. Vol4ara
        Vol4ara 20 September 2019 09: 21
        +22
        Quote: qqqq
        I’m not justifying the current judicial system in any way, but in fairness, I would like to see a video of this episode.

        Google YouTube
        1. qQQQ
          qQQQ 20 September 2019 10: 36
          -17
          Quote: Vol4ara
          Google YouTube

          I saw a video of the detention, but did not find why. Here he is all such "pink and fluffy" and is moving towards him purposefully riot police, can eat for what? As far as I know, when the demonstrations are dispersed, the instigators and instigators are identified and the police are purposefully working on them. Once again, I would like a video of what Ustinov is doing.
          1. Vol4ara
            Vol4ara 20 September 2019 11: 38
            +8
            Quote: qqqq
            Quote: Vol4ara
            Google YouTube

            I saw a video of the detention, but did not find why. Here he is all such "pink and fluffy" and is moving towards him purposefully riot police, can eat for what? As far as I know, when the demonstrations are dispersed, the instigators and instigators are identified and the police are purposefully working on them. Once again, I would like a video of what Ustinov is doing.

            So it seems like nothing, therefore, such a resonance. Yes, even if something violated, they planted it under another article
            1. qQQQ
              qQQQ 20 September 2019 14: 49
              -8
              Quote: Vol4ara
              planted then on another article

              I didn’t specifically look, but they seemed to put me in prison for using violence against police officers, this just proves that there is something else that the fighters with the regime are very diligently circumventing, and for some reason the authorities do not put it in the public domain.
              1. Vol4ara
                Vol4ara 20 September 2019 15: 14
                +11
                Quote: qqqq
                Quote: Vol4ara
                planted then on another article

                I didn’t specifically look, but they seemed to put me in prison for using violence against police officers, this just proves that there is something else that the fighters with the regime are very diligently circumventing, and for some reason the authorities do not put it in the public domain.

                And, well, as in the case of Golunov, they put me in a pre-trial detention center, but why didn’t we take the rinse off the drug, didn’t take it, it’s also not clear for what reason, there wasn’t any reason , just for some reason, its authorities did not disclose. And then it turned out that the cops simply decided to close the objectionable journalist, but they did it very rudely, but of course it was these cops who were to blame, and not in any way a system that condones this
                1. AU Ivanov.
                  AU Ivanov. 20 September 2019 16: 03
                  -13
                  Are you sure that Golum wanted to close the cops? And not those comrades whom he may have been blackmailing (I won’t write anything about you for a modest fee), which is not so rare in a journalistic environment. What is the profit of cops in particular and the authorities in general? There is a lot of stink, but no use.
                  1. Vol4ara
                    Vol4ara 20 September 2019 16: 08
                    +15
                    Quote: AU Ivanov.
                    Are you sure that Golum wanted to close the cops? And not those comrades whom he may have been blackmailing (I won’t write anything about you for a modest fee), which is not so rare in a journalistic environment. What is the profit of cops in particular and the authorities in general? There is a lot of stink, but no use.

                    And what difference does it make if cops are ready to close anyone for a modest denyuzhka, is this a sign of healthy power?
                    1. AU Ivanov.
                      AU Ivanov. 20 September 2019 16: 14
                      -17
                      And what should the cops do, which, even on someone’s tip, have found drugs for the client for 20 years of strict labor? Kiss his ass because he is a liberal journalist? The most interesting thing is that in this whole story liberden remained the winner. So who, after all, was the beneficiary? Power? This hype was less beneficial to them all.
                      1. Vol4ara
                        Vol4ara 20 September 2019 16: 18
                        +19
                        Quote: AU Ivanov.
                        And what should the cops do, which, even on someone’s tip, have found drugs for the client for 20 years of strict labor? Kiss his ass because he is a liberal journalist? The most interesting thing is that in this whole story liberden remained the winner. So who, after all, was the beneficiary? Power? This hype was less beneficial to them all.

                        So they didn’t find it), and they themselves fell under the press for this when the uproar rose in the media. Another thing is that if the journalists didn’t make such a fuss, instead of some Golunov Vaska from Volgda, he would be guaranteed to sit for all 20 years of strict labor. Sale of security officers on the face, policemen is
                      2. karabass
                        karabass 20 September 2019 18: 35
                        +1
                        So after all, it seems to him the same ones that you defend and planted, or do you think that is correct?
                  2. karabass
                    karabass 20 September 2019 18: 26
                    -9
                    What's the difference! An honest man has nothing to fear, and thieves can share, not hard-earned tea earned
                  3. New Year day
                    New Year day 20 September 2019 20: 49
                    +3
                    Quote: AS Ivanov.
                    What is the profit of cops from this

                    Golunov's information about corruption in the Moscow FSB. Cops - performers
                    Quote: AS Ivanov.
                    ... and the authorities in general?

                    Power is hemorrhoids. Renome suffered hard
                    1. AU Ivanov.
                      AU Ivanov. 20 September 2019 21: 17
                      -3
                      FSBshniki something entrusted to the cops? This is unscientific fiction. But for the office itself is too rude work. I’ll quickly believe that they did the same to him. Just in time for SPIEF. The liberoids do not disdain to substitute their children under the OMON doubles. And here such a hype can be inflated. And inflated.
                      1. New Year day
                        New Year day 20 September 2019 21: 29
                        +7
                        Quote: AS Ivanov.
                        FSBshniki something entrusted to the cops? This is unscientific fiction.

                        Yes, not fiction!
                        Major Medov Andrei Puchkov, head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Moscow CJSC of Moscow, and Major General Yuri Devyatkin, head of the Drug Enforcement Administration of the Main Directorate of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Moscow, were dismissed. Medium general has been fired.
                        And all in the case of Golunov. Matches?
                      2. Vol4ara
                        Vol4ara 20 September 2019 21: 35
                        +8
                        Quote: AU Ivanov.
                        FSBshniki something entrusted to the cops? This is unscientific fiction. But for the office itself is too rude work. I’ll quickly believe that they did the same to him. Just in time for SPIEF. The liberoids do not disdain to substitute their children under the OMON doubles. And here such a hype can be inflated. And inflated.

                        So rude how to store billions at home in packages of five?
                        The authorities themselves have written to you about the result of the investigation, but at least a piss in your eyes "they threw it themselves for the hype." You did not leave the hohlyatsky slogans about the shelling of the DPR on your territory, change the flag and here it is a ready maydaun
                  4. Revival
                    Revival 22 September 2019 21: 17
                    -1
                    So the police didn't take him?
                    Did not know.
                    I thought law enforcement officers did everything there, and judging by your question in the commentary, there are some unknown identifiers.
                    Wow ...
                2. qQQQ
                  qQQQ 23 September 2019 09: 15
                  +2
                  Quote: Vol4ara
                  but of course only these cops are to blame, and not in any case not a system that condones this

                  Yes, we can present a lot of things to our authorities and argue about the abomination that will not even happen in all areas. For me the question is different, that not seeing the evidence of the prosecution, everyone considered Ustinov to be injured without fault. With this approach, any criminal, if detained by force, may demand release.
              2. Petrograd
                Petrograd 21 September 2019 23: 41
                +3
                Quote: qqqq
                Quote: Vol4ara
                planted then on another article

                I didn’t specifically look, but they seemed to put me in prison for using violence against police officers, this just proves that there is something else that the fighters with the regime are very diligently circumventing, and for some reason the authorities do not put it in the public domain.

                Look, it's very cool to see the "punishers" who, according to the announcement, got a job in the Russian Guard. It's so good to beat your fellow citizens, to be stupid and executive. 451 degrees Fahrenheit, under the chevron of the flag-sew on the symbol of the salamander-shit forever (galley worker and almighty penniless)
                1. qQQQ
                  qQQQ 23 September 2019 09: 22
                  +2
                  Quote: Petrograd
                  It's so good to beat your fellow citizens

                  And you see how especially dangerous criminals are detained, that's where their fellow citizens are beaten (just in case, this is sarcasm). Now it will fly that any liberal is just a darling, and by definition he cannot violate the Law.
                  1. Petrograd
                    Petrograd 23 September 2019 23: 11
                    0
                    Quote: qqqq
                    And you see how especially dangerous criminals are detained, that's where their fellow citizens are beaten (just in case, this is sarcasm). Now it will fly that any liberal is just a darling, and by definition he cannot violate the Law.

                    Like all normal citizens, at the request of the "employees" I will present the documents and fulfill the requirements, only to break something for what? The brave national guardsmen are running, they drop the guy, while one of them stumbles and falls, and begins to break, believe me, painful techniques are painful, the person will begin to swear and, this is how our body is arranged, to resist pain, which is now regarded as resistance during detention. After all, the essence of this episode is that the court was not able to clearly and clearly indicate the reason for the detention, only "slapped" was given a term for resistance and other nonsense.
                    About how they detain especially dangerous criminals, that's where their fellow citizens are beaten (just in case, this is sarcasm)here, you’re 100% right, I’ll tell you a terrible thing - if it’s a shabby ... (I hope you understand what I mean), I’ll only be glad that they will shoot him when trying to escape or for some other reason .
                    1. qQQQ
                      qQQQ 24 September 2019 17: 05
                      0
                      Now, you yourself also recognize the police’s right to use violence, I’ll emphasize once again that if Ustinov was tried for using violence in an episode that was laid out, it’s not right, but what if there was an episode of violence against a police officer who only saw court? The thing, for my part, is that you can’t hang labels when seeing and hearing only one side. Yes, the authorities here are scary to say, but this does not give an occasion, if a crime has been committed, to justify everyone only on this basis.
                      1. Petrograd
                        Petrograd 24 September 2019 17: 51
                        0
                        Once again I’ll ask you to answer the question raised at the court, the reason for the detention and the use of force to him? Watch the video carefully. I would like to initially find out why they attacked him. Read the gist of the comments carefully.
                        Quote: qqqq
                        but what if there was an episode of violence against a police officer who was seen only by a court?
                        Well, let the facts provide, what's the problem? And if not? In the trial, there must be facts, but not if and if so?

                        Quote: qqqq
                        Yes, the power in our country is scary to say, but this does not give an occasion, if a crime has been committed, to justify everyone only on this basis.

                        Once again I ask you, the reason that prompted the brave National Guard to break it? Initially, what happened?
                      2. qQQQ
                        qQQQ 25 September 2019 09: 18
                        0
                        Quote: Petrograd
                        Once again I ask you, the reason that prompted the brave National Guard to break it? Initially, what happened?

                        I myself want to find out, this question is referred to the detention video, but no one saw what happened before. This is what I write about, maybe it was for what, and blaming the police, only on the fact of the use of force, is not very correct, you need to figure it out. The question was precisely that the OMON was accused only on the basis of the fact of the military actions, but I wrote that it may well be that they had such a right and wanted to know if there was another video.
          2. snake
            snake 20 September 2019 12: 40
            +23
            Quote: qqqq
            I saw a detention video, but did not find for what.

            Quote: qqqq
            OMON purposefully moves towards him, can eat for what?

            A special police force moving towards you is a strong proof of your guilt.
            Do you happen to work in court? And then, apparently there are guided by the same logic ...
            1. qQQQ
              qQQQ 20 September 2019 14: 45
              -7
              Quote: serpent
              A special police force moving towards you is a strong proof of your guilt.
              Do you happen to work in court? And then, apparently there are guided by the same logic ...

              Once again, I did not see for what reason he was detained and, apparently, you too, personally, this does not allow me to claim his innocence. It's like with a quote taken out of context. You saw one side, and immediately stood up for its support, I affirm that I would like to see the other, and until this bright moment, nothing can be said about his guilt or innocence. And yes, I do not work in any state. the structure and type of my activity is very far from law enforcement, judicial and other similar structures.
              1. Revival
                Revival 22 September 2019 21: 20
                -3
                So just no one saw, and therefore the judge should legally consider that this is not. Because no means no evidence. This is an axiom in court.
                1. qQQQ
                  qQQQ 23 September 2019 09: 05
                  +2
                  Quote: Revival
                  So just no one saw, and therefore the judge should legally consider that this is not. Because no means no evidence. This is an axiom in court.

                  Have you seen the evidence presented in court? Me not. And following your logic, any detention, even of especially dangerous criminals, is a crime of the police, because as a rule, their detention does not take place at the time the crimes were committed.
                  1. Revival
                    Revival 23 September 2019 13: 33
                    -2
                    Only it is not necessary to see, but it is necessary to reflect in the sentence, but not there.
                    This, by the way, is also mandatory with an indication of the case sheet in parentheses.
            2. New Year day
              New Year day 20 September 2019 20: 52
              +11
              Quote: serpent
              A special police force moving towards you is a strong proof of your guilt.

              as my late father-in-law, a pilot who fought in the North, said: I see a policeman, I’m moving to the other side of the street.
              In today's life: you see a policeman, leave the street, you can shoot
              1. snake
                snake 20 September 2019 22: 17
                +2
                Quote: Silvestr
                I see a policeman, I’m moving to the other side of the street.

              2. Edmond dantes
                Edmond dantes 21 September 2019 10: 15
                -2
                You are not confused with America?
          3. Keyser soze
            Keyser soze 20 September 2019 15: 49
            +28
            I saw a video of the detention, but did not find for what.


            "Today I walked past the officers of the Russian Guard and breathed defiantly. Two caught a cold and one received tremendous mental suffering." (FB)
            1. Tibidokh
              Tibidokh 20 September 2019 17: 23
              +11
              Quote: Keyser Soze
              walked past Rosguard employees and breathed defiantly

              Moreover, he did not obey the lawful demands of employees to stop "breathing" ... angry
          4. Needle
            Needle 20 September 2019 20: 59
            +9
            Have you seen a video where a cyclist rides past the National Guard? He was beaten so that the people groaned around.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1N4BkwTU_G4
            1. Fan-fan
              Fan-fan 20 September 2019 21: 37
              +5
              I watched the video, was horrified. My conclusion is this: this power is not popular, but purely anti-popular.
              1. Severok
                Severok 21 September 2019 21: 10
                +2
                I watched the video, was horrified. My conclusion is this: this power is not popular, but purely anti-popular.

                Did you just notice that? But the collapse of industry, the lack of work in production, the destruction of ship repair and heavy industry enterprises, the destruction of light industry, the destruction of forests, sown areas, villages, villages, they haven’t told you so far! ??
    4. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 20 September 2019 09: 19
      +21
      Quote: carstorm 11
      oh)))) yes cheat you say ... here is a disgrace ...

      Judging by the assessment of your comment, you are a disgrace :)
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 20 September 2019 21: 09
        -3
        Quote: Vol4ara
        Judging by the rating of your comment

        Well, can you judge by the local likes - They are worthless that you as a teenager.
    5. Vend
      Vend 20 September 2019 10: 31
      -36
      Answer me gentlemen liberals. When a man came to protest and they don’t interfere with this, he throws himself at a Rosguard employee who does not touch him, knowing that he is breaking the law. That this person is inadequate, what prevents him from rushing at any passerby? A person goes to an unauthorized rally, knowing that he is breaking the law, is this person inadequate, what prevents him from breaking the law in any other field? And one more fact, all attacks on employees of the Russian Guard were filmed from all sides, which clearly shows that this was a planned action i.e. provocation paid or by intent.
      And for these people do you arrange a bacchanal? Are these your heroes?
      And yet, among the ideological idiots, provocateurs, personally interested, paid, party-goers at such meetings there are special services officers who collect evidence of criminal acts. So the charges have evidence.
      1. Souchastnik
        Souchastnik 20 September 2019 11: 10
        +18
        If dozens of cameras filmed the unprofessionalism of the Russian Guard and everyone knows that it is paid, this does not make the Rosguards better. Do not succumb to provocations and act within the framework of the law and do not relieve a spit with a shot. Well, if there is evidence, then they must be presented. And then there will be no questions.
        1. Edik
          Edik 20 September 2019 11: 27
          -10
          Quote: Souchastnik
          If dozens of cameras filmed the unprofessionalism of the Russian Guard

          Judging by the video, several dozen cameras captured how the fighters of the Rosguard deliberately went to the detention (apparently from the tip) of this man, who, as they say:
          Began to instinctively resist
          All this looks like a carefully planned action that several dozens of cameras knew about! Why did he start buzzing because he wasn’t guilty of anything? Apparently he needed problems.
          1. Sul Carnine
            Sul Carnine 20 September 2019 16: 00
            +5
            Ustinov himself recently served in the ranks of the Russian Guard. At least that's what the network says. Therefore, he should have an idea of ​​how to behave with a focused approach of his former colleagues.
            The approach of the Russian Guard was actually focused, judging by the video. The people around are darkness, but they have chosen it. Why? And why immediately four? I do not believe in coincidences.
            1. Edik
              Edik 20 September 2019 16: 07
              -2
              Quote: Suhl-Carnine
              Ustinov himself recently served in the ranks of the Russian Guard. At least that's what the network says.

              A very muddy story must be said! There are opinions that he distinguished himself there, and then stamped around as if nothing had happened. In such cases I think, and who benefits from it?
          2. Revival
            Revival 22 September 2019 21: 23
            -2
            Well, where is at least one proof other than your "(apparently on a tip)" !?
        2. Vend
          Vend 20 September 2019 11: 33
          -13
          Quote: Souchastnik
          If dozens of cameras filmed the unprofessionalism of the Russian Guard and everyone knows that it is paid, this does not make the Rosguards better. Do not succumb to provocations and act within the framework of the law and do not relieve a spit with a shot. Well, if there is evidence, then they must be presented. And then there will be no questions.

          Rossguard recently organized, learn.
          1. creak
            creak 20 September 2019 14: 24
            +11
            Quote: Wend
            Quote: Souchastnik
            If dozens of cameras filmed the unprofessionalism of the Russian Guard and everyone knows that it is paid, this does not make the Rosguards better. Do not succumb to provocations and act within the framework of the law and do not relieve a spit with a shot. Well, if there is evidence, then they must be presented. And then there will be no questions.

            Rossguard recently organized, learn.

            Recently?? Yes, these are the same explosives only with other chevrons.
            And now they, like small children, are still just learning well.
            Not funny..
            1. Vend
              Vend 20 September 2019 14: 28
              -10
              Quote: ranger
              Quote: Wend
              Quote: Souchastnik
              If dozens of cameras filmed the unprofessionalism of the Russian Guard and everyone knows that it is paid, this does not make the Rosguards better. Do not succumb to provocations and act within the framework of the law and do not relieve a spit with a shot. Well, if there is evidence, then they must be presented. And then there will be no questions.

              Rossguard recently organized, learn.

              Recently?? Yes, these are the same explosives only with other chevrons.
              And now they, like small children, are still just learning well.
              Not funny..

              This is a new structure, if it were the internal troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, it would be the same as on Bolotnaya or Tverskaya.
          2. balunn
            balunn 23 September 2019 10: 57
            -2
            The main goal of creating the Rosguard is precisely the fight against rallies.
        3. Vol4ara
          Vol4ara 20 September 2019 11: 51
          +20
          Quote: Souchastnik
          If dozens of cameras filmed the unprofessionalism of the Russian Guard and everyone knows that it is paid, this does not make the Rosguards better. Do not succumb to provocations and act within the framework of the law and do not relieve a spit with a shot. Well, if there is evidence, then they must be presented. And then there will be no questions.

          During the Second World War, partisans violated the law by operating in the occupied territories. I have the impression that we are also occupied now, and if so, then soon the price of the law will be equal to spitting in the toilet
      2. Vol4ara
        Vol4ara 20 September 2019 11: 42
        +12
        Quote: Wend
        Answer me gentlemen liberals. When a man came to protest and they don’t interfere with this, he throws himself at a Rosguard employee who does not touch him, knowing that he is breaking the law. That this person is inadequate, what prevents him from rushing at any passerby? A person goes to an unauthorized rally, knowing that he is breaking the law, is this person inadequate, what prevents him from breaking the law in any other field? And one more fact, all attacks on employees of the Russian Guard were filmed from all sides, which clearly shows that this was a planned action i.e. provocation paid or by intent.
        And for these people do you arrange a bacchanal? Are these your heroes?
        And yet, among the ideological idiots, provocateurs, personally interested, paid, party-goers at such meetings there are special services officers who collect evidence of criminal acts. So the charges have evidence.

        For these corrupt laws, by which they fenced off from the people, with whom they cover their robbery, sooner or later they will be lifted up to the jubilation of the crowd. These are not laws, but de mo
        1. Vend
          Vend 20 September 2019 12: 26
          -8
          Quote: Vol4ara
          Quote: Wend
          Answer me gentlemen liberals. When a man came to protest and they don’t interfere with this, he throws himself at a Rosguard employee who does not touch him, knowing that he is breaking the law. That this person is inadequate, what prevents him from rushing at any passerby? A person goes to an unauthorized rally, knowing that he is breaking the law, is this person inadequate, what prevents him from breaking the law in any other field? And one more fact, all attacks on employees of the Russian Guard were filmed from all sides, which clearly shows that this was a planned action i.e. provocation paid or by intent.
          And for these people do you arrange a bacchanal? Are these your heroes?
          And yet, among the ideological idiots, provocateurs, personally interested, paid, party-goers at such meetings there are special services officers who collect evidence of criminal acts. So the charges have evidence.

          For these corrupt laws, by which they fenced off from the people, with whom they cover their robbery, sooner or later they will be lifted up to the jubilation of the crowd. These are not laws, but de mo

          I remember you and people like you in the 90's already arranged a bacchanal. What specific laws do not suit you? And why are you not happy with the laws?
          1. DEDPIHTO
            DEDPIHTO 20 September 2019 12: 46
            +16
            Before the law, everyone should be equal, without exception, such as deputy, judicial and other immunity. Since the head of state !!!! Then absolutely ALL will execute the law! There should be no laws dividing people into special (privileged) and ordinary. Everything else is from the evil one.
            1. Vend
              Vend 20 September 2019 13: 12
              -13
              Quote: DEPHIHTO
              Before the law, everyone should be equal, without exception, such as deputy, judicial and other immunity. Since the head of state !!!! Then absolutely ALL will execute the law! There should be no laws dividing people into special (privileged) and ordinary. Everything else is from the evil one.

              When was this? And in what country of the world is this?
              1. DEDPIHTO
                DEDPIHTO 20 September 2019 13: 45
                +6
                Quote: Wend
                Quote: DEPHIHTO
                Before the law, everyone should be equal, without exception, such as deputy, judicial and other immunity. Since the head of state !!!! Then absolutely ALL will execute the law! There should be no laws dividing people into special (privileged) and ordinary. Everything else is from the evil one.

                When was this? And in what country of the world is this?

                Well, yes, local pro-government liberals always look first at the coveted West-ah, nowhere is this like that, which means that we cannot have one. Yes, there is no such thing and it cannot be with the existing cap. system, but no one can prove that this cannot be the case with us, though not under your beloved power ... Once upon a time, monarchism was also considered eternal .. wink
                1. Vend
                  Vend 20 September 2019 14: 21
                  -7
                  Quote: DEPHIHTO
                  Quote: Wend
                  Quote: DEPHIHTO
                  Before the law, everyone should be equal, without exception, such as deputy, judicial and other immunity. Since the head of state !!!! Then absolutely ALL will execute the law! There should be no laws dividing people into special (privileged) and ordinary. Everything else is from the evil one.

                  When was this? And in what country of the world is this?

                  Well, yes, local pro-government liberals always look first at the coveted West-ah, nowhere is this like that, which means that we cannot have one. Yes, there is no such thing and it cannot be with the existing cap. system, but no one can prove that this cannot be the case with us, though not under your beloved power ... Once upon a time, monarchism was also considered eternal .. wink

                  All this is nonsense, but you did not answer the question, when did it happen so that everyone was equal before the law ??
                  1. New Year day
                    New Year day 20 September 2019 21: 38
                    +7
                    Quote: Wend
                    when was it that everyone was equal before the law ??

                    Polish Minister of Transport and Water Management Slavomir Novak resigned in November 2013 after reporters spotted an undeclared Ulysse Nardin watch (Switzerland) for several thousand dollars.
                    In June 2015, after a “cassette scandal”, a Polish official, speaker of the Sejm Radoslav Sikorski resigned, and ministers of sports, treasury, and health, many others lost their posts. The basis was the published recordings of their conversations in which they used obscene language and discussed solutions to private and lobbying issues.
                    German Defense Minister Karl-Theodor Guttenberg resigned after plagiarism was discovered in his dissertation.
                    In Sweden, Aida Hadzhialich, Minister of Secondary Education and Vocational Training, resigned, violating traffic rules
                    1. Vend
                      Vend 23 September 2019 10: 53
                      0
                      Quote: Silvestr
                      Quote: Wend
                      when was it that everyone was equal before the law ??

                      Polish Minister of Transport and Water Management Slavomir Novak resigned in November 2013 after reporters spotted an undeclared Ulysse Nardin watch (Switzerland) for several thousand dollars.
                      In June 2015, after a “cassette scandal”, a Polish official, speaker of the Sejm Radoslav Sikorski resigned, and ministers of sports, treasury, and health, many others lost their posts. The basis was the published recordings of their conversations in which they used obscene language and discussed solutions to private and lobbying issues.
                      German Defense Minister Karl-Theodor Guttenberg resigned after plagiarism was discovered in his dissertation.
                      In Sweden, Aida Hadzhialich, Minister of Secondary Education and Vocational Training, resigned, violating traffic rules

                      So what? And how much continues to work, breaking laws, for one hundred who have gone quietly living laughing laughing
                      On March 28, in the press service of the head of the region, the governor signed a letter of resignation of the Minister of Road Construction and Transport Alexei Gushchin,
                      The governor's residence noted that the official submitted applications of his own free will. The main reason for the resignation of Alexei Gushchin is called numerous complaints about the quality, as well as the maintenance and reconstruction of regional roads. This is reported by Rambler.
                      1. Revival
                        Revival 23 September 2019 13: 41
                        -1
                        Well, continue to give examples from Russian reality, like Sylvester’s, for hours, for violation of traffic rules and so on.
                        What are you feeling a bit confused about?
                        And probably nothing to say ...
                  2. Fan-fan
                    Fan-fan 20 September 2019 21: 43
                    +2
                    It may not have been, but this does not mean that one does not have to strive for this and fight for it. You do not want to fight for it, then move on and do not bother us.
                    1. Vend
                      Vend 23 September 2019 10: 56
                      +1
                      Quote: Fan-Fan
                      It may not have been, but this does not mean that one does not have to strive for this and fight for it. You do not want to fight for it, then move on and do not bother us.

                      The revolution is made naive, and the scoundrels use its fruits. If it were possible, then believe me, it would have already been implemented in some country.
          2. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 20 September 2019 19: 38
            +2
            Quote: Wend
            I remember you and people like you in the 90's already arranged a bacchanal

            Or maybe they like you arranged a bacchanal? They made it so that the law, like a drawbar, where it turned, turned out that way.
            1. Vend
              Vend 23 September 2019 10: 57
              +1
              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              Quote: Wend
              I remember you and people like you in the 90's already arranged a bacchanal

              Or maybe they like you arranged a bacchanal? They made it so that the law, like a drawbar, where it turned, turned out that way.

              Yes, you would really like that, but alas, this does not apply to people like me.
      3. snake
        snake 20 September 2019 13: 10
        +16
        Quote: Wend
        A person goes to an unauthorized rally, knowing that he is breaking the law,


        Quote: Wend
        And one more fact, all the attacks on the employees of the Russian Guard were filmed from all sides, which clearly shows that this was a planned action

        Yes, it does not show anything. Now everyone has a smartphone with a camera, and when it comes to the police, everyone has already learned how to shoot it right away, because then, in court, you won’t prove that they planted something there.
        Quote: Wend
        Are these your heroes?

        No, damn it, here they are "our heroes":
        1. Vend
          Vend 20 September 2019 13: 14
          -9
          Quote: serpent
          Quote: Wend
          A person goes to an unauthorized rally, knowing that he is breaking the law,


          Quote: Wend
          And one more fact, all the attacks on the employees of the Russian Guard were filmed from all sides, which clearly shows that this was a planned action

          Yes, it does not show anything. Now everyone has a smartphone with a camera, and when it comes to the police, everyone has already learned how to shoot it right away, because then, in court, you won’t prove that they planted something there.
          Quote: Wend
          Are these your heroes?

          No, damn it, here they are "our heroes":

          And what specifically got you?
          1. TokarevT
            TokarevT 20 September 2019 14: 54
            +10
            The fact that they are still alive with their broods.
          2. snake
            snake 20 September 2019 22: 22
            +3
            Quote: Wend
            And what specifically got you?

            If you lived in Russia, you probably would not have asked such questions. It’s easier to say - than they didn’t get it.
      4. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 20 September 2019 16: 05
        -17
        This is called provocation. They hide behind children, are trying in every possible way to force the siloviki to solve the issue by force.
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        2. brat07
          brat07 21 September 2019 06: 26
          -1
          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          This is called provocation. They hide behind children, are trying in every possible way to force the siloviki to solve the issue by force.

          And here is the provocation:
    6. vik669
      vik669 20 September 2019 13: 39
      +9
      Yes, the whole Rosguard caught Paul, who Ustinov was waiting for, and he was waiting by the subway, well, finally he was caught, and it turned out here you didn’t find artists and holy fools here to offend!
    7. Vend
      Vend 20 September 2019 14: 25
      -19
      The answer to all lovers of unauthorized rallies, I do not think that the mind will increase, but maybe at least someone will think about it.
      1. TokarevT
        TokarevT 20 September 2019 15: 15
        +12
        Well, what are you! How can Sun Tzu be quoted here. All the advisers are entirely with the prince, the princely officials are sleek (at Russian expense they can afford to keep healthy lifestyles); the necessary "warriors" well-fed and dressed (of which only the estates of golden and garbage birds are worth). So we have not the same prince that Sun Tzu succeeds in, but more of a veiled Gauleiter. But that one has his advisers in order, and the officials are well-groomed, and the soldiers are well-fed, and the priests of different denominations are in business, otherwise how can slaves and colonists be kept in check. And since this is not OUR prince, then .......... in short, as in relation to an invader, usurper, slave owner, etc.
        1. Vend
          Vend 20 September 2019 15: 35
          -9
          Quote: TokarevT
          Well, what are you! How can Sun Tzu be quoted here. All the advisers are entirely with the prince, the princely officials are sleek (at Russian expense they can afford to keep healthy lifestyles); the necessary "warriors" well-fed and dressed (of which only the estates of golden and garbage birds are worth). So we have not the same prince that Sun Tzu succeeds in, but more of a veiled Gauleiter. But that one has his advisers in order, and the officials are well-groomed, and the soldiers are well-fed, and the priests of different denominations are in business, otherwise how can slaves and colonists be kept in check. And since this is not OUR prince, then .......... in short, as in relation to an invader, usurper, slave owner, etc.

          Very easy. Because this scheme still works and not only in Russia. You, lovers of unauthorized rallies and provocations are vivid confirmation of this.
          1. TokarevT
            TokarevT 20 September 2019 17: 18
            -3
            We are lovers of the blood of our enemies and our people.
            1. Vend
              Vend 20 September 2019 17: 35
              -7
              Quote: TokarevT
              We are lovers of the blood of our enemies and our people.

              And, since you are an emissary of the United States, then it’s clear why you want to bleed the Russian people and ruin Russia. There is nothing you will not be amiable. laughing
              1. TokarevT
                TokarevT 20 September 2019 18: 31
                0
                Unfortunately, with the current Gauleiter, they are doing very well, and your careless dying laugh is another proof of this.
                1. Vend
                  Vend 23 September 2019 13: 17
                  0
                  Quote: TokarevT
                  Unfortunately, with the current Gauleiter, they are doing very well, and your careless dying laugh is another proof of this.

                  I do not have a careless laugh, but a real look. However, this does not suit people like you. You can continue to make excuses further.
          2. balunn
            balunn 23 September 2019 11: 07
            0
            Citizens of the Russian Federation have the right to assemble peacefully, without weapons, to hold meetings, rallies and demonstrations, marches and pickets.
            Do you know where this is from?
            1. Vend
              Vend 23 September 2019 13: 18
              -1
              Quote: balunn
              Citizens of the Russian Federation have the right to assemble peacefully, without weapons, to hold meetings, rallies and demonstrations, marches and pickets.
              Do you know where this is from?

              That's just the point that is peaceful. Nobody disperses a peaceful and authorized rally. But those who violate the law on rallies get what they deserve.
              1. Revival
                Revival 23 September 2019 13: 58
                0
                You apparently didn’t know, but earlier the law was consistent with the constitution. As it provided for a notification procedure for the rally.
                And in 2004 the constitution was ignored, and a permitting procedure was introduced, which contradicts "have the right", so the right still needs to be allowed.
                Therefore, a reference to the law is not correct, since it has long been contrary to the constitution.
                Good thing, if you have to get permission from me to criticize (a rally) for something. But I won’t give it to you and that’s all and I will say that criticism is illegal and I will invite a crowd of friends with beats to beat you! The normal logic of the law?
                1. Vend
                  Vend 23 September 2019 15: 53
                  -2
                  Quote: Revival
                  You apparently didn’t know, but earlier the law was consistent with the constitution. As it provided for a notification procedure for the rally.
                  And in 2004 the constitution was ignored, and a permitting procedure was introduced, which contradicts "have the right", so the right still needs to be allowed.
                  Therefore, a reference to the law is not correct, since it has long been contrary to the constitution.
                  Good thing, if you have to get permission from me to criticize (a rally) for something. But I won’t give it to you and that’s all and I will say that criticism is illegal and I will invite a crowd of friends with beats to beat you! The normal logic of the law?

                  No need to exaggerate.
                  1. Revival
                    Revival 23 September 2019 20: 34
                    0
                    All clear. You have a lot of arguments .. but you don’t show them)
                    1. Cat man null
                      Cat man null 23 September 2019 20: 50
                      -2
                      Quote: Revival
                      but you don’t show them

                      * show. Show - this is when "show me please".

                      In general, reading you, one gets the impression that you have been offended a lot and varied in life.
                      1. Revival
                        Revival 23 September 2019 21: 59
                        0
                        Oh I have not heard you for a long time ..
                        But, I see everything in your old way, that is not a comment, then a ringing emptiness on the topic of the question and just an abstract blah blah blah
                      2. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 23 September 2019 22: 10
                        +1
                        Quote: Revival
                        I see everything as you have

                        Yes, and you have no changes ... projects on a cosmic scale and space ... well, you probably understood:

                        Quote: Revival
                        ... the president can get rid of both the Duma and the government with a very simple multi-port ...

                        You, my friend, can also get rid of, for example, the right or left hand, and at any time. But for some reason, you prefer not to.

                        The President is a state man, and the fact that he has the intelligence not to arrange out of the blue, for example, a government crisis, is a plus for him, not a minus.

                        When you realize this, come in and talk.

                        Quote: Revival
                        ringing voids

                        And in what ear does it ring? wink laughing
                    2. Vend
                      Vend 24 September 2019 11: 33
                      +1
                      Quote: Revival
                      All clear. You have a lot of arguments .. but you don’t show them)

                      I showed enough, you did not see, but I will show you how to change life in our country for the better ..
                      We needed a transition between the LCD and the old city, that's what we achieved last year
                      https://vk.com/video-46768207_456244774
                      But what we have achieved this year
                      https://vk.com/zelenyealleividnoe?z=video-79847275_456239320%2F2447347b49469530c0%2Fpl_wall_-79847275
                      Now we have achieved that the speed bumps are removed, because of which the traffic jam on the outskirts of the city
                      https://vk.com/videos-46768207?z=video-46768207_456245333%2Fclub46768207%2Fpl_-46768207_-2
                      This is the result of the work of only residents of one LCD Green Alleys.
                      And no one staged unauthorized rallies and riots in the streets, because we need a result, not a dumb buzz that suits you. For the result, you need to work systematically and be able to interact with the authorities, which you can’t judge by.)
      2. karabass
        karabass 20 September 2019 18: 32
        +2
        HOW correctly you said! (more precisely, Sun Tzu) I’ll add from myself that the close princes pay small salaries to people, and none of the citizens will fight for it, they will immediately surrender
        1. Vend
          Vend 23 September 2019 13: 21
          -1
          Quote: karabass
          HOW correctly you said! (more precisely, Sun Tzu) I’ll add from myself that the close princes pay small salaries to people, and none of the citizens will fight for it, they will immediately surrender

          You poorly know Russian people; they will go to fight not for the government, but for their country. Which, however, has already happened more than once. But traitors and collaborators in large numbers have always existed.
          1. karabass
            karabass 23 September 2019 20: 03
            +1
            Yes, I’m not for Russia - I wrote. If the war is tomorrow. Then, as they said in the Great Patriotic War, the Communists are ahead, and now there will be — oligarchs and deputies ahead! Well, and behind them we are as one person
            1. Vend
              Vend 24 September 2019 11: 11
              -1
              Quote: karabass
              Yes, I’m not for Russia - I wrote. If the war is tomorrow. Then, as they said in the Great Patriotic War, the Communists are ahead, and now there will be — oligarchs and deputies ahead! Well, and behind them we are as one person

              The army will go forward, and behind it those who value Russia, and not Western cookies.
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      4. snake
        snake 20 September 2019 22: 26
        +5
        Quote: Wend
        The answer to all lovers of unauthorized rallies, I do not think that the mind will increase, but maybe at least someone will think about it.

        Anecdote: At a meeting in the Pentagon, to the question: "How can we destroy Russia?", The answer won: "Gentlemen - do not interfere with Putin!"
        1. Vend
          Vend 23 September 2019 13: 24
          0
          Quote: serpent
          Quote: Wend
          The answer to all lovers of unauthorized rallies, I do not think that the mind will increase, but maybe at least someone will think about it.

          Anecdote: At a meeting in the Pentagon, to the question: "How can we destroy Russia?", The answer won: "Gentlemen - do not interfere with Putin!"

          So do not interfere with what you climb. We’ll build the country that we need, and you can go there where you like it. Already Soviet times have passed, no one is holding. That's just you and people like you nowhere outside of Russia are needed.
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 23 September 2019 13: 28
            +1
            Quote: Wend
            But you and people like you are not needed anywhere outside of Russia ...

            ... as in Russia itself, however. IMHO.
          2. snake
            snake 23 September 2019 22: 24
            0
            Quote: Wend
            Build the country we need

            To you, who is this? So far, the country is being built as it should for Putin and his friends. Are you one of the?
            Quote: Wend
            That's just you and people like you nowhere outside of Russia are needed

            Of course. I do not have accounts in foreign banks; I do not have foreign villas and yachts; my children do not live in Europe. Like the power that you defend. All that I have is everything in Russia.
            1. Vend
              Vend 24 September 2019 11: 36
              -1
              Quote: serpent
              Quote: Wend
              Build the country we need

              To you, who is this? So far, the country is being built as it should for Putin and his friends. Are you one of the?
              Quote: Wend
              That's just you and people like you nowhere outside of Russia are needed

              Of course. I do not have accounts in foreign banks; I do not have foreign villas and yachts; my children do not live in Europe. Like the power that you defend. All that I have is everything in Russia.

              I also do not have accounts in a foreign bank, if you need an account then work, earn, seek, no one bothers. And I want my three children to live in a normal stable country and not go through the situation like in 90's.
              1. snake
                snake 24 September 2019 22: 47
                -3
                Quote: Wend
                And I want my three children to live in a normal stable country and not go through the situation like in 90's.

                Want is not harmful. But you are confusing stability and stagnation. Pension robbery, tax hikes, "optimization" of medicine and education - are these signs of stability in your opinion?
                And how does extinction fit into your stability?
                In 2019, the number of Russians will decrease more than the Rosstat pessimistic scenario implied

                https://iz.ru/920880/anna-ivushkina/poluchili-ubyl-chinovniki-ukhudshili-demograficheskii-prognoz
                1. Vend
                  Vend 25 September 2019 10: 10
                  +1
                  Quote: serpent
                  Quote: Wend
                  And I want my three children to live in a normal stable country and not go through the situation like in 90's.

                  Want is not harmful. But you are confusing stability and stagnation. Pension robbery, tax hikes, "optimization" of medicine and education - are these signs of stability in your opinion?
                  And how does extinction fit into your stability?
                  In 2019, the number of Russians will decrease more than the Rosstat pessimistic scenario implied

                  https://iz.ru/920880/anna-ivushkina/poluchili-ubyl-chinovniki-ukhudshili-demograficheskii-prognoz

                  I am not confused amiable. And you read less forecasts. And adopt the western way of life less, then it will be better with the birth rate. I here yesterday arranged a younger one in a kindergarten, and so the head of D \ C told me that large families are no longer as quoted as they once were, because every second family has many children. And these are three or more children. So you are divorced from life, read articles paid by the West less.
                  1. snake
                    snake 25 September 2019 22: 53
                    -2
                    Quote: Wend
                    The head of D \ C told me that large families are not as quoted as they were once, because every second family is large. And these are three or more children. So that you are divorced from life

                    Not as much as you:
                    The level of large families varies from 53,4% in the Republic of Ingushetia to 1% in the city of St. Petersburg. Moreover, only in 4 constituent entities of the Russian Federation, including Ingushetia, the share of large families exceeds 10% of the total number of households: the Chechen Republic - 40,5%, the Republic of Dagestan - 24,8%, the Republic of Tuva - 17,1%. In seven regions of the Federation, the level of large families ranges from 8,9% to 5,2%: in Karachay-Cherkessia - 8,9%, Sakha-Yakutia - 8,6%, North Ossetia-Alania - 8,5%, Kalmykia - 7,4%, Altai - 6,8% and Buryatia - 5,4 %, in the Chita region - 5,2%. In ten regions, the proportion of large households ranges from 4,5% to 3,1%, in 15 regions - from 3% to 2%, in other regions of the Russian Federation it is 1-2%

                    So, if you are not from Ingushetia, then do not tell me fairy tales about large families.
                    And about pensions and tax increases you did not answer me. How do they fit with your vaunted stability?
                    1. Vend
                      Vend 26 September 2019 09: 48
                      0
                      Quote: serpent
                      Quote: Wend
                      The head of D \ C told me that large families are not as quoted as they were once, because every second family is large. And these are three or more children. So that you are divorced from life

                      Not as much as you:
                      The level of large families varies from 53,4% in the Republic of Ingushetia to 1% in the city of St. Petersburg. Moreover, only in 4 constituent entities of the Russian Federation, including Ingushetia, the share of large families exceeds 10% of the total number of households: the Chechen Republic - 40,5%, the Republic of Dagestan - 24,8%, the Republic of Tuva - 17,1%. In seven regions of the Federation, the level of large families ranges from 8,9% to 5,2%: in Karachay-Cherkessia - 8,9%, Sakha-Yakutia - 8,6%, North Ossetia-Alania - 8,5%, Kalmykia - 7,4%, Altai - 6,8% and Buryatia - 5,4 %, in the Chita region - 5,2%. In ten regions, the proportion of large households ranges from 4,5% to 3,1%, in 15 regions - from 3% to 2%, in other regions of the Russian Federation it is 1-2%

                      So, if you are not from Ingushetia, then do not tell me fairy tales about large families.
                      And about pensions and tax increases you did not answer me. How do they fit with your vaunted stability?

                      Imagine I am Russian, and fairy tales are your hobby, as well as bucks, riots, unauthorized rallies and other crap. In my years, already in fairy tales, it’s already not solid to believe in fairy tales and carry on bad propaganda. laughing
                      1. snake
                        snake 26 September 2019 14: 39
                        -2
                        Quote: Wend
                        Imagine I'm Russian

                        Congratulations. But how does this relate to the topic of our discussion? I didn’t ask your nationality, but simply assumed that if, in your opinion, “every second family has many children,” then, given the statistics on the regions of the Russian Federation, this is true only if you live in Ingushetia. And if you do not live in Ingushetia, then your words about the number of large families are incorrect information.
                        To the question: "What kind of stability is this with the pension reform and the increase in taxes" - again there is no answer, no greetings. Instead, they hung (completely unsubstantiated) all the dogs on me: rallies, buchi, etc.
                        Will you talk on the topic or hang labels and yell about "liberals"?
                      2. Vend
                        Vend 26 September 2019 15: 03
                        0
                        Quote: serpent
                        Quote: Wend
                        Imagine I'm Russian

                        Congratulations. But how does this relate to the topic of our discussion? I didn’t ask your nationality, but simply assumed that if, in your opinion, “every second family has many children,” then, given the statistics on the regions of the Russian Federation, this is true only if you live in Ingushetia. And if you do not live in Ingushetia, then your words about the number of large families are incorrect information.
                        To the question: "What kind of stability is this with the pension reform and the increase in taxes" - again there is no answer, no greetings. Instead, they hung (completely unsubstantiated) all the dogs on me: rallies, buchi, etc.
                        Will you talk on the topic or hang labels and yell about "liberals"?

                        I see you already forget what you wrote yourself laughing laughing laughing Pensions are paid stably, without delay, and if you have incentives, such as in the USSR you issued letters, then you can reduce housing and communal services payments by 50%. And what does not suit you in raising taxes? In the bill, for example, it is proposed to establish a reduced personal income tax rate of 5% for citizens with incomes less than 100 thousand rubles per year.
                        Those who earn from 100 thousand to 3 million rubles a year will pay tax at the rate of 13%.
                        If an employee receives from 3 to 10 million per year, the rate will be 18%. And for those who earn more than 10 million rubles. - 25%.
                      3. snake
                        snake 26 September 2019 22: 36
                        -2
                        Quote: Wend
                        I see you already forget what you wrote yourself

                        I look - you distort the topic of discussion. Pension reform (increasing the retirement age) and increasing VAT from 18 to 20 percent - how do they fit into your so-called stability? And what about large families? Not so many of them, right? In addition to Chechnya and Ingushetia.
                      4. Vend
                        Vend 27 September 2019 13: 14
                        0
                        Quote: serpent
                        Quote: Wend
                        I see you already forget what you wrote yourself

                        I look - you distort the topic of discussion. Pension reform (increasing the retirement age) and increasing VAT from 18 to 20 percent - how do they fit into your so-called stability? And what about large families? Not so many of them, right? In addition to Chechnya and Ingushetia.

                        And how does raising the retirement age violate stability? You read the laws, not provocative calculations. For your information, I am one of those who, after the promulgation of raising the retirement age, raised a wave in the network that it is difficult for people of retirement age to get a job and stay on it. As a result, they received a revision of the law and a five-year term untouchable for dismissal. It would be better, of course, not 5, but 10 years, but this is another side. Although honestly, I do not understand the economic benefits of raising the retirement age. Here it is not necessary to touch a large family laughing I have three children and many things are true, verified by personal experience. hi
                      5. snake
                        snake 27 September 2019 16: 10
                        -2
                        Quote: Wend
                        And how does raising the retirement age violate stability?

                        What is this, a joke? Or do you need to explain the meaning of the word "stability"? One of the synonyms is consistency. And if, relatively speaking, yesterday the retirement age was 60, and today it is 65, then how can this be called stability?
                        Quote: Wend
                        much is true, verified by personal experience

                        I don’t know that there a lot of things turned out to be true, but we’ve already clarified your one statement about the number of large families. And it turned out - everything is not quite the way you painted here.
                      6. Vend
                        Vend 27 September 2019 16: 48
                        0
                        Quote: serpent
                        Quote: Wend
                        And how does raising the retirement age violate stability?

                        What is this, a joke? Or do you need to explain the meaning of the word "stability"? One of the synonyms is consistency. And if, relatively speaking, yesterday the retirement age was 60, and today it is 65, then how can this be called stability?
                        Quote: Wend
                        much is true, verified by personal experience

                        I don’t know that there a lot of things turned out to be true, but we’ve already clarified your one statement about the number of large families. And it turned out - everything is not quite the way you painted here.

                        You live in some kind of parallel world laughing laughing talk about what you don’t understand, laughing laughing judge situations you don't live in laughing laughing laughing a mile away you can see that you have a shortage of life experience laughing laughing
                      7. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 27 September 2019 16: 54
                        -4
                        Quote: Wend
                        a mile away you can see that you have a shortage of life experience

                        Well, here ... they offended the snake, practically crying
                      8. Vend
                        Vend 27 September 2019 17: 03
                        0
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        Quote: Wend
                        a mile away you can see that you have a shortage of life experience

                        Well, here ... they offended the snake, practically crying

                        laughing laughing
                      9. snake
                        snake 28 September 2019 11: 04
                        -1
                        You wrote to me - half of the families (most likely in Russia, because you are Russian and do not live in Ingushetia) are large. I have denied your claim. I asked: how stability is combined with change (and for the worse)? - I did not get a clear answer.
                        Only again some groundless judgments - "you know nothing and do not understand." Well, life experience is your thing. All your life, apparently, judge people. It is possible that on its own. Eat your "stability", do not crap.
                      10. Vend
                        Vend 30 September 2019 10: 39
                        -1
                        Quote: serpent
                        You wrote to me - half of the families (most likely in Russia, because you are Russian and do not live in Ingushetia) are large. I have denied your claim. I asked: how stability is combined with change (and for the worse)? - I did not get a clear answer.
                        Only again some groundless judgments - "you know nothing and do not understand." Well, life experience is your thing. All your life, apparently, judge people. It is possible that on its own. Eat your "stability", do not crap.

                        laughing laughing Well, I said, you have a shortage of life experience laughing laughing
                      11. snake
                        snake 1 October 2019 22: 23
                        -3
                        Yeah ... The main thing is to insert more emoticons and unfoundedly accuse the opponent of something. Well, what about the surplus of life experience (regarding evasion from questions) that you paraffin about large families and do not specifically answer the question about your understanding of stability?
                      12. Vend
                        Vend 2 October 2019 10: 01
                        +1
                        Quote: serpent
                        Yeah ... The main thing is to insert more emoticons and unfoundedly accuse the opponent of something. Well, what about the surplus of life experience (regarding evasion from questions) that you paraffin about large families and do not specifically answer the question about your understanding of stability?

                        My dear, however, you have been thinking about the answer for a long time. laughing laughing unfounded to accuse you of something, this is somehow not solid for me. I talked with you for a long time until I became confident in my conclusions. You don’t even understand the difference between stagnation and stability. And here it’s not in my understanding, but in reality. Here you are in flight. Awareness of reality is not your thing.laughing You can fantasize about my experience as much as you like, you cannot belittle it. Well, paraffin it you, and regularly. The fact that you are a passenger traveling from the Rozhdenie station to the Death station, watching life from the window of the carriage and not going further than the station to the bus stop and creating a judgment about the world on the Internet is understandable. You do not have enough life experience, so do not pretend to be a guru, you will not look stupid.
                      13. snake
                        snake 2 October 2019 11: 24
                        -2
                        So many words. How little - to the point. As for "I thought about the answer for a long time" - firstly: I do not sit day and night on the VO like some, and secondly: the whole day has passed. You answered me the penultimate time for two days. Well, I no longer expect adequacy from you. Say - I am on the Internet, and you are in reality? Like my statistical calculations - nothing, and you, therefore, all large families in Russia know personally? I may be watching life from the window of the car, but you are from the bathyscaphe with battened down windows and Putin in the next seat, lulling you with fairy tales about "stability".
                      14. Vend
                        Vend 2 October 2019 11: 49
                        -1
                        I answered you, your problem is that you do not perceive the answers. You have no idea what stability is, and adequacy, too, so do not use these terms. As rabid followers of Western emissaries are clustered on the network, so large families communicate via the Internet. Do you know a lot we can learn from each other and share important and necessary information. You are not the only one using network resources. You can continue to make excuses.
                      15. snake
                        snake 2 October 2019 22: 30
                        -2
                        By the way, if for you the numbers given by me are "higher mathematics", then here is a more digestible version for you. So to say, easier.

                        And you need to make excuses for "every second family has many children."
                      16. Vend
                        Vend 3 October 2019 10: 42
                        0
                        And you are funny laughing They took the first picture from the Internet and already imagine yourself a guru laughing You probably don’t know how statistics are generated. Have fun at your leisure.
                      17. snake
                        snake 3 October 2019 22: 32
                        -1
                        State report on the situation of children and families with children in the Russian Federation for 2016.
                        According to the information of executive authorities of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation, as of January 1, 2017, 1 large families live in the Russian Federation, in which 566 children are brought up.

                        (https://www.garant.ru/products/ipo/prime/doc/71725510/)
                        At the beginning of 2017, the number of large families in Russia amounted to 1 million 566 thousand,

                        (https: //xn-----elcokda0crlaf4k.xn--p1ai/chislo-mnogodetnyih-semey-v-rossii-za-shest-let-vyiroslo-na-25-protsentov/)

                        And I do not imagine myself a guru, do not invent.
                      18. Vend
                        Vend 4 October 2019 09: 52
                        0
                        Explore what statistics are
                      19. snake
                        snake 4 October 2019 12: 01
                        -2
                        And this is not statistics. This is specific data. Behind them are living people. Your family as well. The state does not support any conventional "interest" with benefits, but real people. So everything is counted "over the heads".
                        The Ministry of Finance was instructed to determine the procedure for financing. Indeed, for each region, “having many children” looks different: in one autonomous region, a family with three children is the norm, and in the other, it is rare.
                      20. Vend
                        Vend 7 October 2019 10: 11
                        0
                        Well, finally, I had to wait a long time) And now answer the simple question, why do not you believe the state in other matters? Or is it selective in you, when I need it, I believe, and when the benefit is on the other hand, then the state is bad? laughing This is what I was talking about, you have a problem with life experience. You have now demonstrated very well that you are easy to manipulate. I left you a trap in it with your head. So, the representatives of the liberals put the same trap for you and you go there with your head. And if you like it when you are used in all the cracks and manipulated like a puppet, then this is your choice.
                      21. snake
                        snake 7 October 2019 22: 54
                        0
                        Quote: Wend
                        Now answer the simple question, why do not you believe the state in other matters?

                        First, you answer a more complicated question: in which question do you think (and this is only your way - I didn’t write this myself) do I believe in the state? Do you like to attribute to the opponent that which was not ...
                        Well, you just surpassed yourself! They thought up for me that I believe in the state in some matter and off and on: manipulations, traps, puppets, the notorious life experience and cracks (your rich life experience apparently affects).
                        In three days one could compose something smarter. And it’s better to moderate your stubbornness, wind up on the information that I provided, and become closer to reality.
                      22. Vend
                        Vend 8 October 2019 09: 57
                        0
                        You have indicated the data published by the civil service. It’s your skate to write, it’s somehow not solid for me laughing Moreover, you are so self-confident and stubborn that you could not even think that an adult who is already under fifty, is familiar with statistics. Yes, you still can’t believe it laughing Well, at least they lifted my mood in the morning, laughed laughing
                      23. snake
                        snake 8 October 2019 15: 34
                        -1
                        Yeah ... Judging by the number of emoticons, you are still far from fifty dollars ... If what you write is true, but not an attempt to make a good face in a bad game, and in all these comments you wasted your time and my time, turning on the fool , the question (rhetorical) arises: what will people like you give your children in terms of development, and are all large families equally useful for our country?
                      24. Vend
                        Vend 9 October 2019 10: 27
                        0
                        Quote: serpent
                        Yeah ... Judging by the number of emoticons, you are still far from fifty dollars ... If what you write is true, but not an attempt to make a good face in a bad game, and in all these comments you wasted your time and my time, turning on the fool , then the question arises (rhetorical): what will people like you give your children in terms of development,

                        Something new in analytics, determining age by emoticons. I don’t need to include a fool, for one simple reason, I am an adult and it is easy for me to stop talking. I do not suffer from the syndrome of the last word. Yes, I give more to my children than you can imagine.
                        Quote: serpent
                        and are all large families equally useful for our country?
                        But this is serious, puts everything in its place and shows who you really are. And what are you worth? I got all the answers to my questions about you.
                      25. snake
                        snake 10 October 2019 09: 52
                        -1
                        Quote: Wend
                        Something new in analytics, determining age by emoticons.

                        Well, why would an adult, "almost fifty years old" man, have such an abundance of laughing faces in the text? I have another option: perhaps you do not have sufficient command of the Russian language and writing to express your thoughts and emotions. So you are forced to resort to auxiliary pictographic icons.
                        Quote: Wend
                        I am an adult and it is easy for me to stop talking.

                        Again you are talking about your "venerable" age ... Usually people start to shake the number of years lived in the absence of arguments in the dispute. But as you know (did you know?): Wisdom doesn't always come with age. Sometimes the age comes alone ... So you don't need to write to me every comment, what kind of "adult" you are. And if you could end the discussion, why didn't you? For this so-called "trap" of yours? And this, in your opinion, is the act of a mature person? I doubt it ... Kindergarten, and nothing more.
                        Quote: Wend
                        who you really are. And what are you worth? I got all the answers to my questions about you.

                        Oh, you love to make assessments and speculative judgments ... And I was also "caught" in excessive arrogance. And what is wrong with my definition? Take, for example, one large family - in which the children are well fed, shod, dressed, well-mannered and not deprived of parental attention. And take another - where the parents have forgotten for education and other needs, and the children are left to themselves. (https://newsomsk.ru/news/93947-v_omskoy_oblasti_gospitalizirovan_7_letniy_malchik/). Or a third large family, where children are just a source to cut some money (coveted for mat. Capital). Or the fourth - where having many children is the result of drunken flights. Or the fifth - a family of visitors who can hardly speak Russian and adhere to peculiar traditions. Are all these families equally useful to our country? Liberals are likely to say: Yes. But you seem to be not a liberal?

                        The mind is frivolous and stubborn,
                        In judgments, speed is too courageous.
                        No, man is not so white
                        Yes, and again not so black. (C)
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    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 20 September 2019 05: 30
      +23
      Deliberately replaced the word “justice” with “judicial system”. In recent years, more and more, many in the country have the impression that with justice ... we are not very “right”
      ... what are you, Roman! we have "norms" with this ... here in Ukraine, yes! but we don't want "like in Ukraine"? wassat
    2. Pessimist22
      Pessimist22 20 September 2019 05: 30
      +15
      Kokorin and Mamaev, innocently convicted, victims of justice and released on parole, for exemplary behavior, where they will work now, they do not take the convicted from us.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 20 September 2019 05: 44
        +19
        Kokorin and Mamaev, innocently convicted


        Yes, yes ... angels .... the main thing is not to let them into chairs anymore ... they really like to break them on people's heads.
        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather 20 September 2019 05: 53
          +14
          Quote: The same Lech
          Kokorin and Mamaev, innocently convicted


          Yes, yes ... angels .... the main thing is not to let them into chairs anymore ... they really like to break them on people's heads.

          and without them, BYAD !!!
          Russian clubs started unsuccessfully in the Europa League.
          In the 1st round of the group stage of the Europa League, CSKA lost to the Bulgarian Ludogorets 1: 5, and Krasnodar lost to Basel (Switzerland) - 0: 5 on the road.
          not enough couple of millionaires! laughing
          1. Same lech
            Same lech 20 September 2019 05: 54
            +10
            They did not live up to expectations ... but they will receive a salary.
            1. depressant
              depressant 20 September 2019 08: 21
              +26
              You do not understand the difference. Kokorin and Mamaev didn’t encroach on state power with the blow of a chair on the bureaucratic head, but defended their right to be drunk, funny boors. Regardless of whose head hits the blow - an official or an ordinary citizen. The official understood and forgave this, and the court was forced to condemn the cheating fellows because of a loud resonance.
              But if you happen to be a gawker on the sidewalk, past which a "walking meeting" is marching, and a National Guard unit is nearby, I do not envy you. After assessing the situation, dive into the nearest store and leave through the back door with vegetable gardens. Because your performance "Well, I have nothing to do with it!" it may seem to the national guardsmen as impudent sympathy for the "truants", while you yourself are an easy target for a blow with a truncheon, arrest and judicial investigation with political overtones.
              Or, so that the blow with a truncheon is not in vain, it is better to be in a column of like-minded people. But this is unlikely. Tens of millions of really offended people are still suffering. However, the authorities should know - not because they are conscious. And I should know something else - the limit of patience, upon reaching which the "terpily" line up in columns, is already close. And those columns will be more than the units of the National Guard.
              1. AK1972
                AK1972 20 September 2019 10: 18
                +20
                Regardless of whose head hits the blow - an official or an ordinary citizen.

                Here you are wrong, Lyudmila Yakovlevna. There is a dependence, and it is linear. If the chair sank on my head and I sued, they would put me in prison. Dozens of witnesses would appear, who would swear under oath that I was the first to mortally insult these football players and inflicted three blows on everyone, the court would refuse to consider recordings from cameras. And all because Kokorin and Mamaev have a lot of money, and my wealth compared to them is infinitely small.
      2. sunzhenets
        sunzhenets 20 September 2019 10: 23
        -6
        Quote: Pessimist22
        Kokorin and Mamaev, innocently convicted, victims of justice and released on parole, for exemplary behavior, where they will now work

        Kokorin and Mamaev are a good example.
        They committed the crime unconditionally. Causing minor harm to health using weapons or objects used as weapons, Art. 115 h. 2 of the Criminal Code. And part 2 of article 213 (hooliganism committed by a group of persons by prior conspiracy) there under the baaa alsh question. Because:
        1) The fight in the cafe began with the fact that the victims made a remark in an insulting way (i.e., they committed an administrative offense under Article 5.61 of the Code of Administrative Offenses).
        "If the instigator of the quarrel or fight was the victim, as well as in the case when his unlawful behavior was the cause of the conflict, the person is not subject to responsibility for committing a crime against such a victim out of hooligan motives," - Resolution of the Plenum of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation of November 15, 2007 . N 45 "On judicial practice in criminal cases of hooliganism and other crimes committed from hooligan motives"
        2) About the preliminary conspiracy is even more interesting and incomprehensible. How it is proved is not clear from the media.
        They had to be punished, of course. But the punishment must be consistent with the crime. Preventive measure arrest in such a case? 19 investigators and arrest extended to 6 months?
    3. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 20 September 2019 09: 22
      +19
      Quote: carstorm 11
      you have completely penetrated the bottom ... Kokorin Mamaev, what side is there? I won’t stand next to you ... and I swear by God all whom I know too ... I did not expect a more vile libel ...

      Good comment, do not forget to pick up your 30 rubles
    4. Lexus
      Lexus 20 September 2019 09: 52
      +16
      "Broken bottom" - this is when 4 years in prison for 5 visits to an unauthorized meeting.
  3. iury.vorgul
    iury.vorgul 20 September 2019 05: 24
    +40
    U-U-U !!! An inexhaustible theme. I have worked in the law enforcement system for 25 years, of which the last 14 have been an investigator. In 2 cities (where I live and where I work), I personally know 8 federal judges, as former colleagues, plus 2 judges of the regional court - my former head of the investigation and his deputy. All are smart and professionally competent specialists. So I can't say that judges know the laws poorly. And then my wife and I receive a verdict from their court, in which a blue-eyed judge decides that we are obliged to pay the "national estate" for gas, even if we do not have a stove, since "we can use the stoves of our neighbors." And the question arises - does she not know the laws or does she use an old proverb as the main argument in a legal dispute between a citizen and a state corporation?
    1. Pessimist22
      Pessimist22 20 September 2019 05: 51
      +38
      “When robbery becomes the lifestyle of a group of people living together in society, over time they create a legal system that legalizes it and glorifies its moral code.”

      Frederic Bastia (1801–1850), French liberal economist. "Economic sophisms."
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 20 September 2019 07: 49
        +5
        Frederick Bastia
        Frederick did not read this, but a little more than 20 years ago he thought the same way. For example, thieves in law, criminals will come to power in any country. The fact is that at first they will be forced to adjust. under the population. Then, of course, they will begin to tell that the constitution is not the same and to drag their thieves' concepts.
      2. evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
        evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru 22 September 2019 12: 02
        -1
        Everything is much worse. The topic is delicate ... It's all about percentages. Either the state works for people, or for nonhumans and their active and passive assistants - bad people (as this definition was understood, for example, in the XlX century). ,, Ordinary humans, is such a kind of homo sapiens. Outwardly, they look like people. Internally-completely different. They invented and organized two world wars, the Cold War, the war on terrorism ... the B-52s, targeted, bombed Vietnam and the European country of Serbia ... We love Good, they worship Evil, we love our families, they they love homosexuals and fornication, we love our children, they instill a war of generations, we love Order, they instill a concentration camp (now this is an ELECTRONIC concentration camp) ... We are completely different with them, we will never hug them, brotherly ,, . The modern state in Russia predominantly serves people. This is the problem
    2. Harry.km
      Harry.km 20 September 2019 11: 23
      +3
      Quote: iury.vorgul
      And then my wife and I get their court verdict

      "THEIR court" seems to me not a typo this ...
  4. Same lech
    Same lech 20 September 2019 05: 27
    +39
    The novel described only the tip of the iceberg ...
    you look at how judges sentenced killers of ordinary citizens ... two corpses for ten years.
    He killed a pregnant woman with particular cruelty 12 years, etc. etc.
    Try to fight back the bandit with the harm to him ... they will not put the bandit up and the one who defended himself ... this is really normal.
    The state has assumed the exclusive right to violence and uses it abominably.
    The judicial system of Russia suffers from distortions in terms of justice.
    You can steal billions of rubles and get a dozen years for it ... served and live a billionaire ... cool.
    You can steal a loaf of bread and sit down for three years ... even cooler. what
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 20 September 2019 06: 19
      +25
      Or you are heartbreaking, praising everything that happens in the country (as a fair amount of our readers do)
      This is what I liked the most! hi
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    3. Stas157
      Stas157 20 September 2019 08: 48
      +18
      Quote: The same Lech

      You can steal billions of rubles and get a dozen years for this ... served and live a billionaire ...:

      I won’t be surprised if the colonel-billionaires, Zakharchenko and Cherkalin, leave earlier. And at the same time they are unlikely to live in poverty on a beggarly pension, as the ordinary people in the masses do.
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 20 September 2019 09: 56
        +22
        They do not "rock the galley". So, they allowed themselves a little too much when carving up the loot.
      2. New Year day
        New Year day 20 September 2019 21: 43
        +3
        Quote: Stas157
        Zakharchenko and Cherkalin, will be released earlier.

        Zakharchenko returned 9 billion. will unfasten and be released with money
    4. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 20 September 2019 09: 33
      +8
      Quote: The same Lech
      The novel described only the tip of the iceberg ...
      you look at how judges sentenced killers of ordinary citizens ... two corpses for ten years.
      He killed a pregnant woman with particular cruelty 12 years, etc. etc.
      Try to fight back the bandit with the harm to him ... they will not put the bandit up and the one who defended himself ... this is really normal.
      The state has assumed the exclusive right to violence and uses it abominably.
      The judicial system of Russia suffers from distortions in terms of justice.
      You can steal billions of rubles and get a dozen years for it ... served and live a billionaire ... cool.
      You can steal a loaf of bread and sit down for three years ... even cooler. what

      There is such, from recent news - in a fight for a parking space, one killed the other, received 3,5 years. For self-defense give more
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 20 September 2019 21: 58
        +5
        For self-defense give more

        And so that we do not decide to protect ourselves and our family, that we are submissive sheep, so that we can safely tear three skins from us.
        1. your1970
          your1970 21 September 2019 20: 15
          +2
          Quote: Fan-Fan
          And so that we do not decide to defend ourselves and our family, so that we are submissive sheep,

          This one is also visible for family fought?
          Quote: Vol4ara
          in a fight for parking place (!!!!!!!!!)one killed the other, got 3,5 years
  5. Far B
    Far B 20 September 2019 05: 28
    +32
    Actually, nothing surprising. For a long time now, none of the branches of government is under the control of the people. Trial is no exception.
    I once recalled the 93rd year when the chairman of the Constitutional Court Zorkin tried to show the independence of our judicial system and declared Yeltsin’s decree on the dissolution of the Supreme Council illegal. EBN assigned its presidential bolt to the court’s opinion and bent its line Since then, nothing has changed: the executive branch de facto dominates the judicial branch.
    1. Hypatius
      Hypatius 20 September 2019 17: 59
      0
      ... EBN laid his presidential bolt on the opinion of the court and bent its line
      Yeah, he also took the title of Guarantor (draft) of the Constitution from Zorkin. So that everyone understands the "independence" of the judiciary. Although, having not received the approval of the people as a source of power through elections, all the same, the courts were illegitimate.
  6. Dart2027
    Dart2027 20 September 2019 05: 47
    -19
    Looked at who this Ustinov is.
    Actor https://www.kino-teatr.ru/kino/acter/m/ros/512328/works/
    I immediately remembered the "public indignation" when the director Sentsov was arrested for terrorism.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 20 September 2019 05: 51
      +15
      Looked at who this Ustinov is.

      These are all the inhabitants of the country of Glamuria ... hehe heh live in their world and they don’t give a damn about ordinary citizens ... you read the criminal summary on the periphery ... there are such cases that you can write the Era of Mercy Vaynerov again.
    2. Far B
      Far B 20 September 2019 05: 56
      +22
      No difference
      who is this Ustinov
      If he just got under the hand, being out of business - this perfectly characterizes the legal system, and the characterization of a certain actor Ustinov is completely unimportant here.
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 20 September 2019 19: 10
        -6
        Quote: Dalny V
        If he just fell under the hand, being out of business

        It is "if". It’s hard to believe in accidental presence at a rally, a normal person in such a situation will simply try to leave ..
        1. Revival
          Revival 21 September 2019 18: 42
          0
          Why should a normal person not committing anything, try to hide from sin further on at the sight of the police, the National Guard?
          That is, if I got out of the subway and stand waiting for a person (the work of the metro station is not stopped, the movement of people, too), then I can be missed at will?
          Serf I chtoli so that in medieval Europe, the lord can kill out of desire just like that?
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 21 September 2019 20: 04
            +1
            Quote: Revival
            Why should a normal person not committing anything, try to hide from sin further on at the sight of the police, the National Guard?

            Not at the sight of the police / Rosgvardi, but in the middle of street riots, and this can not be noticed.
    3. Stas157
      Stas157 20 September 2019 09: 09
      +16
      This is just a resonance in Moscow. But in the periphery, for sharp language and criticism of the authorities, they easily easily quietly throw them in jail. Bloggers are being planted. Among the most famous are Alexander Ustinov (Yekaterinburg), Alexey Kungurov (Tyumen).
  7. nikvic46
    nikvic46 20 September 2019 05: 49
    +17
    I was confused by the speed of the court. Usually the processes drag out for a long time. The court should not only punish, but also protect any citizen. But if the whole case consisted of legal costs. They open the case of a corrupt official and see that he took away a lot of social objects. And he used this property long years. And they ask the question, why no one saw it. And now there are answers about the incredible closeness of this person. That is, we are all in sight, but here is a directly enclosed object.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 20 September 2019 21: 46
      +1
      Quote: nikvic46
      I was confused by the speed of the court.

      Than? There is an order, the judge was in a hurry and tried very hard. He does not need proof of innocence. If there was a man, there would be an article
  8. samarin1969
    samarin1969 20 September 2019 05: 54
    +23
    A very high-quality article on a difficult topic, Roman! Examples are also correct: from Moscow to the very ... And local examples, everyone knows in their own regions.
    And about the "brush" very accurately.
    1. DEDPIHTO
      DEDPIHTO 20 September 2019 07: 09
      +12
      hi I support, dear Roman, as always accurate. There’s nothing to add, though ... The worse the situation, the better, the denouement is closer. Apparently no other has been given.
      - Slowly but steadily, through a bloody struggle -
      - Through prisons and torture, through rebellion and rebellion -
      - They walked to the city of the Sun! - (c) Campanella.
      1. your1970
        your1970 21 September 2019 20: 19
        0
        Quote: DEPHIHTO
        hi I support, dear Roman, as always accurate. There’s nothing to add, though ... The worse the situation, the better, the denouement is closer. Apparently no other has been given.
        - Slowly but steadily, through a bloody struggle -
        - Through prisons and torture, through rebellion and rebellion -
        - They walked to the city of the Sun! - (c) Campanella.

        Ukraine also goes to socialism, right? Do they know about this?
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  11. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 20 September 2019 06: 19
    +17
    This, excuse me, is more like the working attributes of the power of a police state. And nothing can be done about it, alas. We have what we have.

    Novel! Thanks for the current topic. After all the manipulations with the constitution, I don’t want to look at such trifles as ordinary judicial practice.
    You have touched upon the well-known case of the Ministry of Defense Service, but believe me, there are plenty of cases when ex-officials convicted of corruption cases, who stole millions, are released on parole in a couple of years. And in Russia, not a single law enforcement officer will propose not to release officials convicted of corruption on parole ...
    She is such a Russian Themis: blind, deaf, crooked-handed, lame and with a pimple conscience ...

    But!!! It is such wretchedness that is needed so that parts of individual individuals can violate the rule of law in individual situations ...
    1. depressant
      depressant 20 September 2019 08: 32
      +20
      And what do you want? Khoroshavin is already being released! Horoshavina! And I won’t be surprised if any state corporation invites him to the board of directors, and then he emerges as a leader in some important state structure, and they will explain to us popularly that the country can’t do without Khoroshavin’s talents, how can it do without Serdyukov’s talents .
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 20 September 2019 09: 31
        +8
        Quote: depressant
        and they will explain to us popularly that the country cannot do without Khoroshavin’s talents

        good That's it!
        And there would be no examples in life, but when a once green tomato hidden there is taken out of a felt boot and presented to the public for the public to see a vegetable ripe in the garden ... And they will also provide it with a label or price tag "1st grade" (in our case, a medal or an order will be hung on the chest) ... When I see the faces (if not to say more rudely) that appeared in circulation in the last century, such as: Serdyukov, Shokhin, Miller, Kirienko, Matvienko, etc. "a species of perennial herbaceous plants of the genus (Armoracia) of the Cabbage family" in the language sounds like the most harmless epithet ...
  12. parusnik
    parusnik 20 September 2019 06: 34
    +21
    What state, such a court, it’s also a type of people .... I know, a judge, from the world it’s true, but everything is simple, my husband bought a place ... Nothing, it works ... As she said, she’s tired of sitting at home with her husband They decided to get into court ... True, quite a while ago, about 10 years ago, then we were just beginning to fight corruption, not like now ... smile
    1. depressant
      depressant 20 September 2019 09: 04
      +12
      Yes, we do not have a national state!
      We have capitalism, which relies on spinning in order to survive.
      Here are the results of the "torsion".

      14, Putin:
      "Fighting poverty is the main task in the social sphere."

      15, Putin:
      "Getting out of poverty is the main task of the new term."

      Instead of creating conditions in which the people could "spin", freeing themselves from poverty, and now from poverty, huge money goes into projects that, before reaching the people, settle in bureaucratic pockets, including - judges. In gratitude for this, the judges will always bend the line that is beneficial to the ruling "elite".
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 20 September 2019 09: 44
      +11
      Quote: parusnik
      . I know, judge, from the world it’s true, but everything is simple, my husband bought a place ... Nothing, it works ...

      I hope you still remember Judge Khakhaleva? The same one that has a daughter’s wedding for two million dollars, a fake law degree, tricks with thieves in law, a Georgian passport and ...
      I have always been interested in the educational system called the Higher School of Economics. Every "top official" passes it, and the Russian economy rests on Miller and Sechin ... belay
      As for the diplomas and degrees at the local organized crime group, I immediately recall:
  13. Yuri Guliy
    Yuri Guliy 20 September 2019 06: 49
    +29
    Judging by the comments (and not only in the Military Review), a stable negative attitude (up to disgust) has formed towards the majority of the "bodies" of the current government. Who would have suggested to the authorities that they should change a lot in their essence, otherwise all of us will very bad
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 20 September 2019 07: 22
      +9
      Who would tell the authorities that it should change a lot in its essence, otherwise we will all be very bad
      ... Who's going to pick it up? ".... Ivan Fyodorovich Kruzenshtern, a man and a ship ..."?smile
    2. DEDPIHTO
      DEDPIHTO 20 September 2019 07: 26
      +17
      negative attitude (up to disgust)
      The stage of disgust has already passed; now the next one is hatred. And they don’t need clues, even at distant approaches they cut off dissenters ... ,, elections, I mean.
      1. freejack
        freejack 20 September 2019 08: 37
        -10
        even at distant approaches dissidents are cut off

        If we talk about "dissenting" liberoids, then they are doing the right thing - they must be cut off in their glamorous dens! Otherwise, a rollback to the system of the 90s is inevitable ... and the Hodorenko will definitely have repression. He has someone to take revenge on ...
        There are unfair landings - and this is not good! ((... And the 90s will return - the shooting will begin (and the journalists too) - this is good ??? ..... hi
        1. DEDPIHTO
          DEDPIHTO 20 September 2019 08: 49
          +10
          Quote: freejack
          even at distant approaches dissidents are cut off

          If we talk about "dissenting" liberoids, then they are doing the right thing - they must be cut off in their glamorous dens!
          I agree, but those “dissenters” are ultraliberoids and they would sit quietly like mice under a broom, if not for ruling central liberalism. The difference between them is simple - some countries are slowly trading in retail countries, while other hasty people want to quickly push the country in bulk. There is a common thing, both of them GLOBALISTS = COSMOPOLITES and their foundation is LIBERALISM .. hi
          1. freejack
            freejack 20 September 2019 09: 06
            +2
            There is a common - and those and other GLOBALISTS

            Of course I have. And in the immediate circle of the president. And in all branches of government. Therefore, the country has such a "vegetable garden" ... There is no dispute. (Just an article a little about something else ... hi
            1. DEDPIHTO
              DEDPIHTO 20 September 2019 09: 11
              +6
              Well, as for another article, everything here is interconnected. The judicial system is flesh from the flesh ,, garden ,,, not from Mars, but it flew. Therefore, a rhetorical question always arises - who are the judges?
      2. New Year day
        New Year day 20 September 2019 21: 48
        +1
        Quote: DEPHIHTO
        And they don’t need clues, even at distant approaches they cut off dissenters ...

        the worse for them. How much rope does not curl ...
    3. bober1982
      bober1982 20 September 2019 08: 00
      -17
      Quote: Yuri Guliy
      Judging by the comments (and not only on the Military Review), a stable negative attitude (up to and including disgust) towards the majority of the "bodies" of the current government has been formed.

      You are very mistaken, passions boil in a small liberal swamp, well, on some marginal sites and blogs.
      The vast majority of people do not know anything, neither about this actor, nor about any protests, no one needs him - absolutely, no one is interested in this. Storm in a glass.
    4. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 20 September 2019 09: 39
      +10
      Quote: Yuri Guliy
      Judging by the comments (and not only in the Military Review), a stable negative attitude (up to disgust) has formed towards the majority of the "bodies" of the current government. Who would have suggested to the authorities that they should change a lot in their essence, otherwise all of us will very bad

      They are building 5th generation aircraft and Poseidon, trying to protect themselves from the hungry arms of the West, but will tear their own people apart, as has been many times in history
    5. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 20 September 2019 09: 48
      +5
      Quote: Yuri Guliy
      Who would tell the authorities that it should change a lot in its essence, otherwise we will all be very bad

      Whoever prompted the authorities, then it would be fraught to scoff at the rule of law, constitutional order, citizens' right and the economy ... There is historical experience ... Even candidates for the post of leader appear ...
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 20 September 2019 10: 03
        -9
        Quote: ROSS 42
        .Even candidates for the post of leader appear ...

        One candidate is resting in California, the other candidate is resting in Cyprus, and the stupid Pavlik is on well-deserved bunks.
    6. Nestorych
      Nestorych 20 September 2019 10: 04
      +6
      The system is no longer able to change, at first it will be very bad, and then how it goes.))
    7. balunn
      balunn 20 September 2019 10: 35
      0
      So there are people who are happy with everything. Judging by our honest and democratic elections, such a majority. It is on this contingent that power is based
    8. bober1982
      bober1982 20 September 2019 11: 18
      -7
      Quote: Yuri Guliy
      Who would tell the authorities that it should change a lot in its essence

      And if someone is found to offer the example of Chinese comrades who have experience working with protesters thirty years ago, it’s very effective.
      1. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth 20 September 2019 17: 21
        +2
        Quote: bober1982
        And if someone is found to offer the example of Chinese comrades who have experience working with protesters thirty years ago, it’s very effective.

        Take domestic experience. January 9, 1905.
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 20 September 2019 19: 11
          -3
          Quote: There was a mammoth
          Take domestic experience. January 9, 1905.

          Or, Novocherkassk events. June 2, 1962.
          1. Was mammoth
            Was mammoth 21 September 2019 11: 05
            -1
            Quote: bober1982
            Or, Novocherkassk events. June 2, 1962.

            Khrushchev’s voluntarism cost the country, people, army and navy dearly.
            Alma-Ata, Baku, Tbilisi, Vilnius ....
            An article about modern guards and judges. "Does the end justify the means?", "Hand washes your hand?"
    9. Souchastnik
      Souchastnik 20 September 2019 11: 27
      +7
      Try an alcoholic to say that he is an alcoholic and needs to be treated. What will happen?
    10. TokarevT
      TokarevT 20 September 2019 18: 59
      0
      Death will tell.
  14. Reklastik
    Reklastik 20 September 2019 07: 05
    +6
    And it’s hard not to agree with the author this time ....
  15. rocket757
    rocket757 20 September 2019 07: 22
    +14
    Do not believe all sorts of different bodies of power, the power itself accustoms us ....
    They, the upper, separated from us, the people, for a long time and finally ....
    There is nothing further to discuss .... however, we ourselves have created / chosen it, just the majority decided that its negative will not affect. TOUCH! once, again, many more, many times.
  16. Uncle AU
    Uncle AU 20 September 2019 07: 31
    -15
    During riots, particularly active participants are tracked who commit any actions that fall under administrative or criminal penalties. If there is an opportunity to delay immediately, no delay then. Ustinov most likely was taken into account during his active participation in an unauthorized rally, that is, he participated in mass riots. It was not possible to pull out the evil eye during his active participation in the unrest because it was delayed after graduation. That's how law enforcement around the world works.
    Therefore, it is not necessary about the white and fluffy actor standing with the phone who just decided to run away from law enforcement officers, displaying active disobedience.
    1. garrett
      garrett 20 September 2019 09: 14
      +17
      And here are the work methods of law enforcement ??? you read the verdict ??? he was convicted of using violence dangerous to the life or health of a government official. and this is insanity, this is discussed in the article.
      1. depressant
        depressant 20 September 2019 09: 42
        +19
        On this occasion, people have already given birth to a joke.
        Judge:
        - I give the floor to the employee of the Russian Guard. Tell me, what are you accusing the defendant of?
        - Mr. judge! This girl shot me a heavy look and I fell!
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 20 September 2019 12: 02
          +3
          Quote: depressant
          Mr. judge! This girl shot me a heavy look and I fell!

          Good thing not the ballot box. And then for a long ride. Even if thrown by!
    2. vic02
      vic02 20 September 2019 09: 40
      -9
      The article just talks about the inadmissibility of what you are promoting here. If you are guided by your proposal, then the judicial system is simply not needed; at the same time, significant money can be saved.
  17. HaByxoDaBHocep
    HaByxoDaBHocep 20 September 2019 07: 33
    -12
    You look at the detention video from a different angle, it’s on YouTube, it is clearly visible that Ustinov is resisting during the detention, I’m also sure that he was chosen for some reason in the crowd of passers-by, although they could have given the condition that it wasn’t
    1. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 20 September 2019 09: 45
      +12
      Quote: HaByxoDaBHocep
      You look at the detention video from a different angle, it’s on YouTube, it is clearly visible that Ustinov is resisting during the detention, I’m also sure that he was chosen for some reason in the crowd of passers-by, although they could have given the condition that it wasn’t

      Of course, it’s not just that everyone who shouts more actively than others about lawlessness and theft should be beaten and imprisoned. Grudinin, too, is not just raiding, as presidents you see, he decided to bring justice, completely fucked up. Grudinin was lucky that his name was heard, would have been lying in a ravine for a long time otherwise
    2. vic02
      vic02 20 September 2019 09: 46
      -3
      What is on the video does not negate the fact that the court ignored the evidence.
    3. depressant
      depressant 20 September 2019 10: 02
      +11
      Do not you think that many people can react to such actions by law enforcement officers with pure resistance INSTINCTIVELY?
      Just grab me by mistake one of the law enforcement officers, so I will start to resist, and even in words, without thinking at that moment that they can subsequently attribute political overtones to those words.
    4. balunn
      balunn 20 September 2019 10: 52
      +13
      "The court has no reason not to trust the employees during the execution" (c) This phrase alone shows how independent the court is.
  18. bober1982
    bober1982 20 September 2019 07: 36
    -23
    And the Russian court has long ceased to be popular, as it was during the USSR, and became state., end of author’s quote.
    And, the mood immediately rose from such a statement, Detochkin immediately remembered.
    As soon as someone, from among liberal comrades, is called to account for their illegal actions, then so does universal liberal talk.
    1. Dangerous
      Dangerous 20 September 2019 15: 00
      +9
      so right! He is against the existing ugliness in the country, which means a liberal, and that means in all severity! Another thing is the patriots on yachts - they can’t be, everything is overwhelming!
  19. Gardamir
    Gardamir 20 September 2019 07: 40
    +19
    There are no acquittals, but there is Vasilyeva, who is not clear whether she reached the zone. Football players who sat a bit to show that the court in Russia is impartial.
    And let me remind you, gentlemen, "illiberals", they love to remember how they planted a spikelet. Now they are imprisoned for SMS, for a smiley, for a repost.
    And if someone is a big fan of Nikita Sergeyevich, then he can continue to buzz about Stalin's repressions. Although repression is punitive measures used by government bodies to protect and preserve the existing system. And the current repression will be remembered for a long time.
  20. bober1982
    bober1982 20 September 2019 07: 49
    -24
    Even the photo is attached to the article with Rain, and do not hesitate, I mean on such a patriotic site as VO
    The Holy Fathers did not speak in vain about wolves in sheep's clothing .......who has ears to hear, let him hear!
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 20 September 2019 09: 16
      +14
      Quote: bober1982
      Even the photo attached to the article from Rain, and do not be shy

      Why are you reading Rain and don't be shy announce it?
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 20 September 2019 09: 21
        -5
        You are surprised, you must carefully read the articles, because to the photo the author’s link from Rain is indicated.
        1. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 20 September 2019 22: 15
          -1
          What's the difference with rain, wind or snow? The main thing is the original photo or photo montage? What is clinging to the rain?
    2. Lannan Shi
      Lannan Shi 20 September 2019 10: 06
      +8
      Quote: bober1982
      and do not be shy, I mean on such a patriotic site as VO

      Patriotism and loyal approval of any abomination, the main thing that it was from the authorities, is not the same thing. Moreover. They are not compatible.
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 20 September 2019 10: 09
        -8
        Phrases - just like "chop", they look like chants (not in the eyebrow, but in the eye) It will do for rallies.
        1. Lannan Shi
          Lannan Shi 20 September 2019 11: 42
          +12
          Quote: bober1982
          For rallies come down.

          Okay. Let's analyze in a little more detail, and not in chopped phrases. The investigation is often mistaken, he is bribed, etc. Axiom. Otherwise, justice would have worked according to the scheme - investigation, prison. Well, or not a prison. And lawyers and other prosecutors were absent as a phenomenon. Statistics of articles 317-319, for the first half of 2015. Absurd. 7398 convicted, 3 acquitted. That is, by default, just by virtue of the very statistics, thousands of people are sentenced every year. Hundreds sit down. Never. Just because the left heel of some policeman so desired. You approve of the situation. For "pictures from the wrong site." Hundreds of your fellow countrymen are sitting, just like that, do you approve of this, and after that you are a patriot? Ugums. You are much closer to articles about betrayal than to a medal for patriotism.
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 20 September 2019 11: 51
            -7
            Quote: Lannan Shi
            You approve of the situation

            Look, what a picture it turns out.
            Mr. Pavlensky begins to play tricks in his homeland, if I don’t know, then I will remind you - arson, nailing eggs to paving stones, etc., escapes with light administrative punishment, becomes a favorite of the progressive part of the population - a fighter with a bloody redhead. Further, France, too, began to play tricks - the result, as it should be, the long term of imprisonment, begins to whine. But they forgot about the pet, it became not interesting, where is it now? It is necessary to arrange rallies in his defense, why not?
            1. Edik
              Edik 20 September 2019 12: 05
              -4
              Quote: bober1982
              It is necessary to arrange rallies in his defense, why not?

              Do not pay for it?
            2. Stas157
              Stas157 20 September 2019 12: 23
              +7
              Example about
              Quote: bober1982
              nailing eggs to paving stones
              I consider it unsuccessful. Why extrapolate him to 7 thousand convicts under articles 318 and 319? They did not do this.
              1. Edik
                Edik 20 September 2019 12: 34
                -4
                Quote: Stas157
                I consider it unsuccessful. Why extrapolate him to 7 thousand convicts under articles 318 and 319? They did not do this.

                Do you think that it is better to let a bullet be, as in the best democratic countries?
  21. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 20 September 2019 07: 51
    +8
    "There is no issue from Don!"
    Ustinov’s acquittal should automatically be followed by a case against the guards and a review of the ethics of finding a judge in office. Will the government accept this? I doubt it.
    Quote: iury.vorgul
    UUUU !!!

    You are "waste material" and they are "in the cage".
    Quote: Dart2027
    Looked at who this Ustinov is.

    I don't know who Ustinov is, but the purposefulness of the detention is obvious on the video. Was there an order? Or was the "plan" carried out? Both are criminal?
  22. Uncle AU
    Uncle AU 20 September 2019 07: 53
    -6
    During riots, active participants in administrative or criminal offenses are tracked. Delayed immediately or later. Ustinov was detained after graduation. At the same time, he tried to escape, had an active disobedience. They detained him not for standing on the sidewalk with a telephone, but for actions committed by him while participating in an unauthorized rally.
    1. Revival
      Revival 21 September 2019 18: 57
      0
      Do you have evidence of Ustinov’s illegal actions, or guesses and secret information from the CCC at Psaki?
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    1. bober1982
      bober1982 20 September 2019 08: 14
      -1
      Quote: Galleon
      Although I try not to stand at the subway and not to ride in it at all, but if they rake me or my wife like this -

      And here, I was somehow raked at the entrance of the metro station. How everything turned out, I tell.
      I stood and smoked, a law enforcement officer approached me and offered to go to the office building in the metro itself. I was blamed for smoking in a public place, I was sad because I had already been charged with an act of detention for that. In the office room me struck on the basese (as they say in the series), I listened to an approximately 7-8 minute lecture on the dangers of smoking in public places, and they released me without drawing up an act of detention (as I had before)
      After that, I became very careful.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 20 September 2019 08: 32
        +4
        Quote: bober1982
        After that, I became very careful.

        Have you ever tried to quit smoking? laughing
        For 20 years I transferred money to smoke, and when it came to two packs a day, I threw it. The first week from the overabundance of oxygen went around as soldered. Six months I woke up from what I had a dream about how I was dragging on ... A year later it was released - beauty, and my head stopped hurting, and I had nowhere to go (I threw the same drink). good
        1. Glory1974
          Glory1974 20 September 2019 09: 19
          +13
          and nowhere to put money (threw the same drink).

          It remains only to quit eating women and a rich life will begin laughing
          Have a nice day! drinks
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 20 September 2019 09: 36
            +1
            Quote: glory1974
            It remains only to quit eating women and a rich life will begin

            Just do not equate drugs (tobacco, alcohol) with vital needs. laughing
        2. Sul Carnine
          Sul Carnine 20 September 2019 16: 32
          +1
          sent in a personal card number
      2. AK1972
        AK1972 20 September 2019 09: 34
        +10
        Quote: bober1982
        I stood and smoked, a law enforcement officer approached me and offered to go to the office building in the metro itself.

        I also stood and smoked near the bus station. I was also taken to the office, where they immediately drew up a protocol for 500 rubles, after which the law enforcement officers and I smoked for three and they, as if apologizing, said: "Sorry, bro, we do not have enough protocols, but I really want to finish working until retirement." I paid the fine right away, and a year later they summoned me to the bailiffs for an unpaid fine. Thank God I kept the receipt.
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 20 September 2019 09: 46
          -7
          Quote: AK1972
          I also stood and smoked near the bus station

          My first "walk" was just connected with the bus station (Zhigulevsk, Samara region), stood, smoked - suddenly a police car drove up, counted 11 meters from the station building, with 15 meters set, sluggishly argued with them and then the design papers, right by the car and then in the car itself.
          I drank a cup of shame to the end - curious female faces that stuck around all the windows, onlookers and so on.
      3. Revival
        Revival 21 September 2019 18: 59
        -2
        Cautious, quiet and agree with everything apparently
  24. Boris55
    Boris55 20 September 2019 08: 06
    -11
    Quote: R. Skomorokhov
    Peskov spoke out at the official level, but did not say anything interesting. “The Kremlin cannot influence the court’s decision” and all that sort of thing.

    Roman, do you dream that we would revive the "vertebral" right? This is when decisions are made not by law, but by a call from above (from the Kremlin). Would it really suit you better?

    We want the judges to make other decisions? So for this, the Duma elected by us must adopt appropriate amendments to the law and you will be happy.
    1. Avior
      Avior 20 September 2019 08: 37
      -1
      "By law" the sign that Roman gave in the article is simply impossible.
      But it is there. So no need to o "legally"
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 20 September 2019 08: 53
        -9
        Quote: Avior
        So no need to o "legally"

        Do you advocate for vertebral right? belay
        1. Avior
          Avior 20 September 2019 09: 02
          +4
          I am in favor of the law.
          And this plate is enough to order an investigation and remove the judges for this time and conduct a review of cases.
          If everything is according to the law, of course.
          2. The judge, in the exercise of his powers, as well as in extra-judicial relationships, must avoid everything that could belittle the authority of the judiciary, the dignity of a judge or raise doubts about his objectivity, fairness and impartiality.

          Not by phone law
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 20 September 2019 09: 29
            -6
            Quote: Avior
            I am in favor of the law.

            I am the same for the law. It may be bad, but it is better than lawlessness.

            Roman, however, accuses the Kremlin that he cannot influence the decisions of the judge and that he is not alone in this matter. Periodically, liberals push Putin to this, saying that you should build a house, call and ... we will come together to the swamp ...

            The judiciary is the latest in the hierarchy of power. Above it, there is legislative power, which determines the boundaries of the judicial authority. Above is ideological power, which forms the perception of the life of the legislative power, on the basis of which the legislative power adopts certain laws, beyond which the judicial power does not go beyond. Ideological power promotes the idea of ​​a dominant concept in the organization of life, which is offered to its people in a conveniently used form, degenerated in a variety of parties that do not go beyond the framework of the dominant concept.

            In general, in order to change the judicial power, it is necessary to change the conceptual power, to which no liberal agrees, their capitalism is quite satisfied, Putin is not happy with them.
            1. Avior
              Avior 20 September 2019 10: 38
              +8
              don't la la ...
              The novel directly writes about the judicial punitive system ...
              so what with the article of law that I quoted?
              why is the judicial system not enforced? Liberals interfere?
            2. protoss
              protoss 20 September 2019 11: 16
              +2
              where did you find capitalism? the country consists entirely of state employees, all large and medium-sized businesses are stupidly sitting on budget contracts and subsidies. Well, he sells a number of small ips and llcs underpants, but he paints his nails, because the state can’t deal with these little things. it is just a new form of state economy.
            3. Hypatius
              Hypatius 20 September 2019 19: 48
              0
              In general, in order to change the judicial power, it is necessary to change the conceptual power,
              Concepts about three independent branches of government, 100 years in the afternoon. About her, go, even in schools they lie. We have 1 single source of power (and this is not Putin !!!) that delegates this power (for example, through paper elections, as in the century before last), to these branches within their competencies. To the legislative branch through elected deputies; to the executive through mayors, governors and sheriffs; to the judiciary through elected judges and prosecutors (they were still called by public prosecutors). Cho still invent, then! fool
            4. New Year day
              New Year day 20 September 2019 22: 08
              +1
              Quote: Boris55
              I am the same for the law. It may be bad, but it is better than lawlessness.

              Boris, it is these laws that give rise to lawlessness. So how good is this law?
              Quote: Boris55
              ... liberals are pushing Putin ...

              Why put it up! he does everything and covers them. And if it covers, it means the same suit
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 20 September 2019 20: 17
      0
      Quote: Boris55
      This is when decisions are made not by law, but by a call from above (from the Kremlin).

      And if you recall how they planted Hodor? Such a sharp GDP was sitting, and the notebook flipped so sharply. Apparently, on each page for one phrase it was written there. To top it off, he said that no one would have indicated what to do (if my memory doesn’t junk).
    3. New Year day
      New Year day 20 September 2019 22: 14
      +1
      Quote: Boris55
      This is when decisions are made not by law, but by a call from above (from the Kremlin).

      but isn't it right now?
      "On August 15, Philippe Delpalle, a French businessman, partner of the Baring Vostok Foundation, was released from prison and placed under house arrest," Ushakov said. He recalled that the French president had repeatedly talked about this with the Russian president. "Just before the visit, such a court decision [was adopted]", - said the aide to the President of the Russian Federation.
      The last example is the transfer to Ukraine of arrested Ukrainian sailors.
      He decided to transfer them to the GDP, and despite the illegality of this, he transferred it. Do not tell me, will these sailors go to Moscow for interrogation and trial? And will the trial take place?
    4. Revival
      Revival 21 September 2019 19: 00
      -3
      Chosen by us? You do not stop bitterly joking from year to year?
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 21 September 2019 19: 36
        0
        Quote: Revival
        Chosen by us?

        If you don’t go to the polls, it doesn’t mean that the others don’t go either. laughing
  25. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 20 September 2019 08: 08
    +1
    Roman, nevertheless, I wouldn’t have made all the judges, about all the Rosgvardeytsy and the police ... under one comb it’s somehow not so good ... but we always had such a judicial system ... God forbid in the 90s exculpatory .. then it was easier to return for further investigation and you can continue to deal with the case or conditionally .. but not justify it, it was then and now, well, the qualifications of the judiciary, this is a problem and its solution is not simple
  26. mark2
    mark2 20 September 2019 08: 08
    -14
    How interesting.
    An article about how to live badly under the yoke of power in a country in which it is bad to live. What does it have to do with a site that has all the rights and permissions, like electronic media in this terrible country.
    From which the conclusion suggests itself: or everything is not as the author says, and this is a provocation.
    Now follow the link "here" in the article. Don't you think that these numbers are reliable. They say the judicial system of such a terrible country gives out statistics about who it mercilessly condemned?
    About the numbers of convicts under articles 318 and 319.
    The article mentions only a few people who are apparently very significant to the author, and 17000 people were convicted. Are they all oppositionists? The drunk who hit the cop in his physiognomy in a drunken state is the same freedom fighter?
    A month ago, there were battles on the topic of Navalny. So what?
    Navalny did not achieve what he wanted, and even fled abroad with the money he "saved" on the fight against corruption. Moreover, they criticize the government for not being ours, but at the same time, Navalny's children are the same,
    It turns out that they are not studying in Russia.
    And after the elections, silence.
    The fight of a corrupt official with corruption is strong!
    And for those who are pathologically unhappy.
    Over the past 100 years, you have had 4 chances to fix everything. You (dissatisfied) all profiled. February 1917, you did not know what to do next. And then it was really bad; after 1945, when it was supposedly bad the army did not rebel against Stalin, even in thoughts it was not; 1991 and 1993 are generally parties. Gentlemen, you are worthless.
    Having looked at all this, the progamists in the Government, having removed the infantile mass of the entire population from making decisions, establish their own rules. And they are not the worst. It could be worse.
    If someone is not happy, then I already wrote about worthlessness.
    1. Avior
      Avior 20 September 2019 08: 42
      +14
      About the numbers of convicts under articles 318 and 319.
      The article mentions only a few people who are apparently very significant to the author, and 17000 people were convicted. Are they all oppositionists? The drunk who hit the cop in his physiognomy in a drunken state is the same freedom fighter?

      there are only three excuses for 17000 cases.
      Which is unrealistic in principle. Though the drunks are there, though not the drunks
      With this supposedly error-free operation of law enforcement, the courts simply need to be canceled - since law enforcement officers are never mistaken, decent money can be saved.
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 21 September 2019 03: 21
        +2
        Quote: Avior
        there are only three excuses for 17000 cases.
        What is unrealistic in principle

        I ask a question like BS: How many cases didn’t reach the court? For the case to go to court, we need evidence base And the investigation doesn’t have rams and their own ass is dear to them as a memory They can fight like they did on the first wedding night They can justify no one for what?
        1. Avior
          Avior 21 September 2019 05: 59
          -1
          Regardless, such a percentage is unrealistic.
          And the details of the cases, at least in the article, indicate that they do not really worry when they direct the case.
          Threat and for cases closed without reason, they do not tear, in your expression?
          1. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 21 September 2019 15: 22
            +2
            Quote: Avior
            for cases closed without reason, they don’t tear them,

            They take it but where is the evidence that there is no reason? Lack of evidence, lack of evidence, lack of corpus delicti, reconciliation of the parties, retraining from a criminal article to an administrative article Here is an incomplete list of why the case may not reach the court And they don’t get into statistics
            1. Avior
              Avior 21 September 2019 16: 37
              -2
              That is, they tear that for the improper transfer of the case to court, that for closing the case without reason.
              Thus, it is not possible to justify a small number of acquittals with your arguments.
              Which was understandable initially.
              1. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 21 September 2019 16: 45
                +2
                Minus not mine recourse
                Quote: Avior
                you cannot justify a small number of acquittals with your arguments.

                Again yes Maybe the fact is that cases with a dock base are now reaching the court? And you can ask the statistics how many cases are terminated in court without an acquittal?
                By the way, the most excuses were in the 90s when murderers of ransomware rapists were released from the courtroom to the applause of the brother Forgot already?
                1. Avior
                  Avior 21 September 2019 22: 12
                  -2
                  That is, you do not have any reasonable explanation for the abnormal absence of acquittals.
                  It’s impossible to seriously guess that the organs are not mistaken, to read it with an explanation.
                  Even when they were not officially mistaken, there were more acquittals .....
                  1. Ruslan67
                    Ruslan67 21 September 2019 22: 29
                    +2
                    Quote: Avior
                    the abnormal lack of acquittals you also do not.

                    Your dad Studeb ... acquittal? Termination of the case well does not roll? Release in the courtroom due to lack of staff is about anything? Or are you dragging on the word sentence? Bullied already! am
                    1. Avior
                      Avior 21 September 2019 22: 49
                      -2
                      Judging by your irritation, the absurdity of your explanations to 3 cases of acquittal of the defendants for 17000 convicts is already clear to you.

                      Release in the courtroom due to lack of staff is about anything?

                      This is just what. All three cases.
                      But you are convinced that these are simply organs that are not mistaken.
                      1. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 21 September 2019 22: 58
                        +2
                        Quote: Avior
                        3 cases of acquittal of the defendants for 17000 convicted persons are already clear to you.

                        Yes what Then at least scrap in the ass shove, this posture can not be fixed request I told him about the variety of forms of acquittal in court and during pre-trial actions, and he’s all about 3 cases. This is either intentional manipulation or a clinic
                      2. Avior
                        Avior 21 September 2019 23: 16
                        -1
                        You, follow the words if you are applying for civilized communication.
                        I didn’t touch you at all, it was you who got in to comment on me, and if you’ve already taken it, keep yourself in control or take a walk in the forest.
                        There is a fact of 3 acquittals (that is, termination of the case in court for lack of corpus delicti) for 17000 convictions. You wrote a lot of things, starting with your frankly far-fetched idea that this is explained by the fact that the officers of the bodies so carefully prepare the cases in court, but they did not bother with confirmation, everything remained at the level of Vesnushkin’s fantasies.

                        And now they have slipped into a tone that excludes communication with you.
                        I do not think that I am interested in communication in this style.
                        hi
                      3. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 21 September 2019 23: 33
                        +2
                        Quote: Avior
                        starting with your frankly far-fetched idea that de this is explained by the fact that employees of the authorities prepare things so carefully

                        They cook them through the ass is a fact and a lot of things are sent for further investigation. Perhaps we get a misunderstanding in fact 17000 are cases brought not only to the court but also to the verdict. And here I am ready to believe that they were just prepared
                        Quote: Avior
                        now they have slipped into a tone that excludes communication with you.

                        There are sharp as diarrhea request Alas...
                      4. Avior
                        Avior 22 September 2019 00: 36
                        0
                        Look, the article actually considers only cases that have reached the stage of a sentence — that is, either a sentence or an acquittal — that is, termination of a case due to lack of corpus delicti.
                        And the resulting ratio of numbers is absurd even for this category of cases - 17000 by three.
                        We are not talking about absolute numbers, but about proportion.
                        And simple human errors, in principle, do not give such an awkward proportion, even if intent or unprofessionalism are excluded.
                        As for the closure of cases, for example, on reconciliation of the parties, these articles do not allow this.

                        Not to mention the fact that you didn’t give any figures, and they have nothing to do with this issue, namely the assessment of the judicial system.
                        I see no reason to argue anymore - everyone has the right to their opinion ...

                        hi
                      5. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 22 September 2019 01: 05
                        0
                        Quote: Avior
                        everyone has the right to their opinion ...

                        Agree request
                        Quote: Avior
                        And the resulting ratio of numbers is absurd even for this category of cases - 17000 by three.

                        If you take the administrator in particular traffic violations, the result will be even more impressive yes
                        We argued about two! figures that do not essentially reflect anything The overall picture is not clear to both So drinks
                      6. Avior
                        Avior 22 September 2019 01: 17
                        0
                        As for the SDA, this is the same system, only the rates for the accused are lower and therefore there is less reason to defend their case.
                        In these articles, the motivation to uphold the cause is much stronger and the stakes are higher.
                        IMHO, even if problems are solved in mathematics, with clear, unambiguous rules for solving, all the same, there will not be only 17000 erroneous decisions for 3 correct solutions, even call the professors of mathematics.
                        But consideration of a case in a court is mathematics with unambiguous formalized decisions, there are a lot of interpretations, and if the parties reach the time of the verdict, there can be no such unambiguous distribution of cases.
                        But, everyone has their own opinion.
                        hi
        2. Revival
          Revival 21 September 2019 19: 04
          -3
          It is precisely that the evidence base is not needed, but only "the employee said so" and "there is no reason not to trust."
  27. Million
    Million 20 September 2019 08: 31
    +11
    The state is completely rotten
  28. bubalik
    bubalik 20 September 2019 08: 52
    +14
    ,,, every day I am more and more convinced that the "fairy tale" "Dunno on the Moon" is becoming a reality.
  29. Whowhy
    Whowhy 20 September 2019 08: 57
    -11
    I understand that the authorities in Russia have recently lost the confidence of citizens, but you can, after all, consider the case from a judge. It can be assumed that the judge deliberately went for a harsh sentence (and, by the way, acted strictly in accordance with the law), precisely because he understood that this case would receive a strong public response. But he did this not at all because he defended the security officials, frightened by the "administrative resource", but in order to draw attention to the laws concerning the use of audio-video materials as evidence in criminal proceedings. And these laws were passed, at one time, clearly to protect high-ranking criminals.
    1. protoss
      protoss 20 September 2019 11: 06
      +4
      It can be assumed ..
      but it can be assumed that the same judge is hiding under the nickname whowhy, and is trying to somehow ridiculously make excuses.
  30. sergo1914
    sergo1914 20 September 2019 08: 59
    +19
    Everything is invented before us

    1. Avior
      Avior 20 September 2019 09: 10
      +24
      Yes, it is surprising that Dunno on the Moon has not yet been banned as extremist literature.
      Very literally, Nosov described everything 40 years before the events smile
      1. bubalik
        bubalik 20 September 2019 10: 16
        +10
        Avior (Sergey) Today, 10: 10

        ,,, as well as "The Adventures of Cipollino" winked

        - forced change of the constitutional system;
        - the incitement of social discord;
        - obstruction of the legitimate activities of state bodies (in the form of tax evasion and opposition to renovation);
        - disobedience to law enforcement officers;
        - Description of the extremist as a good hero;

        "The prisons are built for those who steal and kill, but Prince Lemon has the opposite: thieves and murderers are in his palace, and honest citizens are in prison."(C)
        1. Avior
          Avior 20 September 2019 10: 29
          +6
          In Cipollino, the grotesque, and even plants, not people, after all, but in Dunno, just sketches from nature
          but Cipollino is also a candidate for the list.
  31. AleBors
    AleBors 20 September 2019 09: 09
    +8
    There’s nothing to add. The authorities fenced off from us specifically. Alas, it won’t get any better ...
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  33. HaByxoDaBHocep
    HaByxoDaBHocep 20 September 2019 09: 16
    +4

    Here is a video from a different angle
    1. protoss
      protoss 20 September 2019 11: 02
      +9
      everything is perfectly visible. people, just instinctively tried to run away. the clumsy guardsman himself fell. it’s a pity that these clowns did not trample each other to death, it would be a number.
    2. srelock
      srelock 20 September 2019 11: 57
      -8
      There is clear resistance to detention. The court will sort it out.
  34. Sergey Valentinov
    Sergey Valentinov 20 September 2019 09: 31
    +7
    Citizens! Be careful when you are detained! Take the position that is most convenient for detention, which excludes the possibility of injury by a police officer, all responsibility lies entirely with you! Take care of you! Actor Pavel Ushakov did not comply with these simple recommendations and received 3,5 years in prison, since a policeman dislocated his shoulder during his detention ...
  35. Glory1974
    Glory1974 20 September 2019 09: 32
    +14
    He faced the judicial system when, together with his comrades, he tried to sue the "military" money from the state.
    That's when I accidentally got into the hands of a review of court decisions for the reporting period by the authorship of one of the senior officials.
    This review examined the court verdicts on the affairs of law enforcement officers to the state.
    The text is something like this:
    In the regions (there was a list), the courts act correctly, they refuse the plaintiffs. In the regions (there was a list), the courts take the side of the plaintiffs. At the end of the summary: "I demand (the judges) increase, increase, etc. in order to make correct decisions, to defend the state's side. Therefore, expect from the court that he suddenly will begin to defend the rights of an ordinary person is ridiculous, especially in such cases.
    In addition, the judges gather at the annual collegiums, where they discuss how to judge certain cases, and give guidelines on what the verdict should be.
    In general, in such circumstances, talking about an independent judiciary is ridiculous. It is independent only of the law, a bribe-taker judge cannot even be developed in an operational way, cannot be removed, etc.
  36. gurzuf
    gurzuf 20 September 2019 10: 00
    +2
    Quote: Dead Day
    Russian clubs started unsuccessfully in the Europa League.
    In the 1st round of the group stage of the Europa League, CSKA lost to the Bulgarian Ludogorets 1: 5, and Krasnodar lost to Basel (Switzerland) - 0: 5 on the road.

    Not Spartak is the only strong RPL! negative
  37. Dmitry Prokhorov
    Dmitry Prokhorov 20 September 2019 10: 07
    +11
    And that this is the valiant special forces of the Russian Guard, he did not disperse the fight in the Apraksin court, in St. Petersburg. There the Uzbeks agreed with the Dagis. Did you flash? Well, yes, there were some with knives and injuries. Or do they pay them?
    1. TokarevT
      TokarevT 20 September 2019 19: 26
      -5
      Let everyone die.
      It was necessary to give a couple more hundreds on each side and cheer to the last individual so that.
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 20 September 2019 22: 02
      0
      Quote: Dmitriy Prokhorov
      special forces of the Russian guard, did not disperse the fight in the apraksin yard in St. Petersburg. There the Uzbeks agreed with the Dagis.

      maybe because the Uzbeks with the Dagis would unite and pile on them?
  38. GRIGORIY76
    GRIGORIY76 20 September 2019 10: 33
    +7
    The mafia will hold on to power to the end by any means, because the profit is very high. Smart people have known and talked about this for a long time, the sane understand now, loyalist everyday life will only understand when they start watching "Swan Lake" on TV again.
    Thanks for the article Roman.
    I advise all readers to read the comments on this news in contact.
  39. bober1982
    bober1982 20 September 2019 10: 42
    -9
    All these discussions about the people's court, of course, are not serious; the theater may be popular (can we not sway our William at Shakespeare)
  40. g_ae
    g_ae 20 September 2019 10: 47
    +8
    Someone would explain how for all the time of getting up from his knees, the revival of braces, the Russian spring, the movement from victory to victory, grandiose successes, patriotic courage and just a triumph of will, the result was such a "fabulous" country. Here, just the fairy tales are all ugly for selection. "Knowledge on the Moon", "Cipollino", "Jelsomino in the Land of Liars". Did the Americans also try? And the shaman is also an agent of the State Department? This makes no sense. Straight heavy hangover of some kind.
    1. TokarevT
      TokarevT 20 September 2019 19: 28
      0
      These are terrible tales for us, but for them it’s just a fairy-tale country.
      1. g_ae
        g_ae 20 September 2019 20: 24
        0
        Oh, by the way. Somehow, "Animal Farm" did not bother to read. And now you don't need to read. Please, a reality show.
        1. g_ae
          g_ae 20 September 2019 21: 12
          -1
          And here is the interesting thing. After Bolotnaya in 2011 and the white belt movement, the answer was Poklonnaya Gora, People’s Front, Kurginyan, Starikov, all things. And today, the Moscow authorities, in contrast to the protests, could not give birth to anything smarter than batons and a barbecue festival. How is that?
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        2. bober1982
          bober1982 20 September 2019 21: 18
          -1
          Quote: g_ae
          Oh, by the way. Somehow, "Animal Farm" did not bother to read. And now you don't need to read. Please, a reality show.

          Still, it’s better to re-read in Barnyard ridiculed the USSR, with its most humane and popular (pig, according to Orwell) court. I recommend that you re-read.
          1. g_ae
            g_ae 20 September 2019 21: 49
            -2
            Well, the Russian Federation is the heir to the USSR. So everything is correct, no contradiction. Bad inheritance. That is, the Russian Federation managed not only to inherit the shortcomings of the USSR, but also to take all the worst from capitalism.
          2. TokarevT
            TokarevT 21 September 2019 08: 41
            0
            Oruel was deeply not up to the USSR. In his works, he focused on the situation in England and, in the dystopian genre, tried to predict its future in the event that such orders not only persist, but also develop in accordance with their potential. But, starting from the mid-80s, the stormy judaicus activity in our country began to smoothly put Orwell's works on the USSR, clearly in accordance with the instructions of Sun Tzu within the framework of the "Art of War".
            1. g_ae
              g_ae 21 September 2019 09: 31
              -1
              I know. He was not in the USSR, it seems. And he wrote as from nature. Where does such knowledge of the subject come from? Yes, he lived in this barnyard.
              1. TokarevT
                TokarevT 21 September 2019 09: 50
                0
                This was my comment on the words bober1982, on the subject of ridicule by Orwell of orders in the USSR. With you, we did not enter into any conflict.
            2. bober1982
              bober1982 21 September 2019 12: 46
              0
              I agree with you, I was wrong.
              Quote: TokarevT
              But, starting in the mid-80s, violent judaicus activity in our country began to smoothly put on Oruel’s works to stare at the USSR,

              Now they are trying to force Orwell’s works on the current government.
              1. TokarevT
                TokarevT 22 September 2019 10: 15
                0
                Those who are trying to do this, the current authorities are actively feeding and encouraging, pretending to try to fight them. Against this background, don't you think that they are just doing one thing together according to the "evil investigator" - "good investigator" scheme? Both are from the same deck, no?
  41. Nikolay73
    Nikolay73 20 September 2019 10: 48
    -6
    You know, I’ll tell you this, I’m walking with my wife and child and law enforcement officers don’t "accept" us - probably because I do not live in Russia? Where then? If I went out to provoke and hide behind a baby, then I, who should not only be publicly condemned, but also punished in accordance with the current legislation and should not be justified by freedom, equality, fraternity and other humanitarian values ​​... or our humanism is not to throw an urn into the National Guard? Go through the forest with such "humanism" of a "human rights activist". To everyone who is for liberal values ​​- go to France and defend with local vests, grab from the local police and then evaluate our kindergarten when you leave. Adieu.
    1. Souchastnik
      Souchastnik 20 September 2019 12: 53
      +13
      But do we all who have any claim to power or are dissatisfied with something in favor of liberal values? Who is against raising the retirement age, against corruption, lawlessness of officials - all liberals? WHO IS NOT WITH US THAT AGAINST US.
      1. Nikolay73
        Nikolay73 20 September 2019 13: 02
        -5
        There is no need to attribute to me what I did not write. We all have some claims to the authorities, but the manner in which they are expressed is different. Moreover, claims and "work" are not the same thing. There are elections - no matter how they are defamed, there are public organizations, there are parties ... I call for a constructive dialogue and civilized methods of clarifying relations, are you against?
        1. TokarevT
          TokarevT 20 September 2019 19: 55
          -1
          Can you imagine a constructive dialogue regarding the division of power and money between "men" and "authorities"? If so, and I suppose it is, then what are you talking about?
          1. Nikolay73
            Nikolay73 30 September 2019 12: 36
            0
            No, I'm not in the subject.
      2. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 20 September 2019 15: 16
        -6
        Unfortunately, all of these protest actions are immediately followed by liberal ones, or even try to lead them. There is no third force: either communists or liberals.
  42. Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 20 September 2019 10: 52
    +8
    And what about Krasnodar car dealerships - and in response to silence, like ostriches hid their heads - EVERYTHING starts from the Kremlin. You come to the conclusion more and more, they tell tales, run around with a four-day working week, as with old cowards, they are preparing another pension reform , all other reforms of the PEOPLE have not yet been brought to the point. The author of the article is right, the one who sits in a high chair or has a lot of green pieces of paper that will seal any eyes, is right for any court. It’s a shame and disgust to look at all this. SHOWER.
  43. iouris
    iouris 20 September 2019 10: 59
    +6
    In our history (the history of Russia), the same processes took place until 1917. And the judges, what? Everyone is confused.
  44. Engineer
    Engineer 20 September 2019 11: 28
    +5
    Gentlemen, citizens, compatriots (underline as necessary)
    I want to ask, aren’t law enforcement officers obliged to first suggest that I go to the appropriate inquiry body or to the investigator in verbal form, and only then screw? Or is it already canceled?
    1. Souchastnik
      Souchastnik 20 September 2019 12: 56
      +1
      According to the law, the Rosgvardeytsy have the right not to introduce themselves or to show documents with a baton or to drive into the snout.
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 20 September 2019 14: 06
        +7
        Quote: Souchastnik
        According to the law, the Rosgvardeytsy have the right not to introduce themselves or to show documents with a baton or to drive into the snout.

        I've already heard this "guards dream"! But I also read one "uncle" from the "top" ... (or the State Duma, or the "Senate", or "government ministry" ...), who said that the leadership of the Rosgvardia "obsolete" ... wrote "intradepartmental" document and issues it as a federal law! That is, by declaring that "the Russian Guards have the right not to introduce themselves and not to show their documents," the "high ranks" of the Russian Guard are committing lawlessness! The situation is aggravated by the fact that neither the government nor the president declared "loudly" about the illegality of this "right"!
        1. Souchastnik
          Souchastnik 20 September 2019 14: 59
          +2
          Until the guardsmen spotted some high-ranking official (like Kokorin and Mamaev) or a person from creative circles that would cause serious hype, no one would put them in their place. Ordinary citizens will have to wait until the truth is clarified.
  45. bober1982
    bober1982 20 September 2019 12: 30
    +3
    That’s what is most surprising in comrades like this Pavel Ustinov and similar creative personalities is the hatred of the current government, that power that enriched them, made them rich (and corrupted them)
    Mr. M. Efremov, a well-known opposition actor, at a performance in Samara, performs drunk, swears from the stage. His performance fee is in the millions.
    Mr. variety performer, on Kuibyshev Square in Samara, acts either drunk or under narcotic influence.
    Samara suckers are bred.
    As soon as he leaves for another world ............the era of cinema, the last great artist, the greedy division of some billions and mansions of the departed begins legends.
    1. Anchonsha
      Anchonsha 20 September 2019 12: 59
      +4
      True, the score is -5. ordinary people are not visible to be protected, but as an artist, it is immediately illegal.
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  47. Vol4ara
    Vol4ara 20 September 2019 13: 06
    +10
    Quote: Wend
    Quote: Vol4ara
    Quote: Wend
    Answer me gentlemen liberals. When a man came to protest and they don’t interfere with this, he throws himself at a Rosguard employee who does not touch him, knowing that he is breaking the law. That this person is inadequate, what prevents him from rushing at any passerby? A person goes to an unauthorized rally, knowing that he is breaking the law, is this person inadequate, what prevents him from breaking the law in any other field? And one more fact, all attacks on employees of the Russian Guard were filmed from all sides, which clearly shows that this was a planned action i.e. provocation paid or by intent.
    And for these people do you arrange a bacchanal? Are these your heroes?
    And yet, among the ideological idiots, provocateurs, personally interested, paid, party-goers at such meetings there are special services officers who collect evidence of criminal acts. So the charges have evidence.

    For these corrupt laws, by which they fenced off from the people, with whom they cover their robbery, sooner or later they will be lifted up to the jubilation of the crowd. These are not laws, but de mo

    I remember you and people like you in the 90's already arranged a bacchanal. What specific laws do not suit you? And why are you not happy with the laws?

    I don’t like the law on rallies, people should have the right to freely convey their position to the authorities, and to convey it not from the alley at the last metro station in the industrial zone, but in the square in front of the administration (you can quote this and write ololo Ukraine !! hand of the west! !! Maydaunas !!!, no rallies, otherwise it will be like in Ukraine). I don’t like the law on raising the VAT tax, on raising the retirement age, the law on creating a separate resort base for judges, the law on allowing registration of migrants in non-residential premises, the law on conservation zones, which prohibits putting the car closer than 200m from the water edge, which you have to be a moron to think about it, I don’t like the law on garbage reform - the idea may not be bad, but the implementation is through F, why my parents who live in the woods sort the garbage, hand over metal and plastic, and the rest in a compost pit have never seen a garbage truck, due to the lack of garbage bins per se, they have to pay for nothing, as they always rowed everyone under one comb. And judging is generally a separate song, murder for a parking space https://lenta.ru/news/2016/02/29/parking/ - 3,5 years. The employee who fell and sprained his hand and sued you - 3,5 years. If you are an official or colonel and stole 15 billion (the main thing is from the people, not from the bank, although if you are a colonel of the FSB then you can also from the bank), then you will certainly be imprisoned, you can fly in for 10 years, only after 5 you will leave for udo, and there is no confiscation, denyuzhki here they are and you are clean before the law, go to Europe and spend peacefully, and it is absolutely impossible to introduce a law on confiscation, it’s like so that the authorities introduced the law against itself, the bees do not fight against honey
  48. turbris
    turbris 20 September 2019 13: 10
    +6
    Of course, a judge must not be appointed, but chosen, at least on a district scale. I must personally know the judge of my area, in which cottage he lives, in what car he and his family ride in order to trust him. There cannot be a judge under the age of 45, because life and professional experience are necessary. The judge should be independent, but at the same time, should be responsible as everyone for the misconduct committed by him personally, the work of the judge should be under public control and, if there are obvious inadequate sentences, residents should be able to re-elect such a judge.
    1. nikon7717
      nikon7717 21 September 2019 14: 43
      0
      Elections. Only elections, like any chapter, for a certain period. Moreover, it is desirable from time to time with changes, be sure to invite new ones from other regions. Previously, in ancient Russia, a judge at the veche was chosen, or the prince performed his functions.
  49. Obliterator
    Obliterator 20 September 2019 13: 11
    +4
    An acquittal is a major flight of investigators and prosecutors, for which they will have to bear disciplinary responsibility. Thus, those criminal cases that have a real prospect of acquittal, simply will not be sent to court. I’m not saying that there is no adhesion between the security forces, supervisory authorities and the court, but in general the philosophy is approximately the same - working on statistics and indicators, where justification is considered a shameful failure.
    1. nikon7717
      nikon7717 21 September 2019 14: 39
      0
      But really, do they work? I understand that a lot of things are simply put on the table, dragged on. But if an excuse, is this really their point, minus the statistics?
      1. Obliterator
        Obliterator 21 September 2019 23: 53
        +1
        Everything is simple and logical. An acquittal means that a person is found not guilty of a crime. Once an innocent person was brought before the court, it means that the investigator conducted the investigation only with poor quality, and the prosecutor overlooked it. And if this same person managed to sit in a pre-trial detention center, then he will still be able to sue the Ministry of Internal Affairs for a round sum of money. Plus a blow to your reputation. So if you have nothing to prove the guilt of a person, then it is better not to send him to court at all, but to leave him as a "grouse". In the Western legal system, as far as I know, there is no institution of preliminary investigation. There, the police collect the initial material and immediately drive it to court, where the real proceedings are being conducted.
  50. Sether
    Sether 20 September 2019 14: 03
    +2
    The judge is first and foremost a person, and if so, he can either make a mistake or deliberately condemn or justify and for this reason there is no jury in the whole world for twelve people who make the decision. The question is why do not we have this? why does all this not work for us?