What is known about weapons for the Su-57

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Perspective aviation the front-line aviation complex includes not only the fifth-generation fighter Su-57. To solve combat missions, the aircraft will have to use various weapons of all main classes and types. The exact list of weapons for the new fighter remains unknown, but from time to time various messages appear on this subject.


Fighter Su-57. Photo KLA / uacrussia.ru




Big plans


A few months ago, a contract was signed for the serial production of Su-57 aircraft for the Russian aerospace forces. Around the same time appeared news on the production of aviation weapons for this technique. Some of the necessary work in this direction has already been completed, while others will be carried out in the near future.

In mid-June, Krasnaya Zvezda published important statements by the head of the Main Directorate of Arms of the Russian Army, Lieutenant General Anatoly Gulyaev. He said that for the Su-57 aircraft various ASPs will be acquired, including intended for use from internal cargo compartments. The volumes of purchases of such products correspond to the size of the order for fighter jets.

Already there are a number of contracts for the supply of part of the TSA for promising fighters. Other products will have to undergo state tests next year, after which they will also become the subject of a contract. Part of the ammunition stock from the PAK FA was tested not only at the landfills, but also during the Syrian operation.

Soon, General Director of the Tactical Missile Weapons Corporation Boris Obnosov confirmed that new contracts for the production of aircraft weapons specifically for the Su-57 would soon appear.


Super-long-range air-to-air missile KS-172. Wikimedia Commons Photos


Thus, by the time of the transfer of the first production Su-57 to the VKS, new means of destruction for such equipment will appear. However, the details of such deliveries remain unknown. The latest news, as before, did not feature specific indices, volumes of purchases and their cost. However, recent news allows us to roughly represent part of the TSA nomenclature for the latest fighters.

Airborne facilities


Su-57 has built-in weapons. In this capacity, the new 30-mm automatic gun 9A1-4071K is used - an upgraded version of the well-known and deserved GSh-30-1. The main tactical and technical characteristics of the gun during the modernization did not change. The gun uses tape power and shows the rate of fire in 1500 rds / min. With its help, you can attack ground and air targets.

In connection with the need to reduce radar visibility, the Su-57 received internal weapons bays. The main volumes for weapons located in the central and rear parts of the fuselage and covered with wings. According to various sources, in two compartments there is a place for suspension of 8 weapons. For the use of weapons, a short-term opening of the “bomb gate” is required, which does not significantly affect the visibility of the aircraft.

If necessary, TSA can be placed on an external sling. For this, removable holders are provided under the wing and fuselage. With their help, the total number of suspension points doubles.


Air-to-surface missile of the X-38M family. Photo Russianarms.ru


Compatible weapons


In the past, domestic media reported that within the framework of the PAK FA, 14 of new types of TSA of various types and for different purposes is being created. This number included short-to-long-range air-to-air missiles, as well as air-to-surface missiles and guided bombs. Some of these projects have already gained fame, while the status of others is not specified.

According to various sources, the bulk of the TSA will be transported in internal compartments. Perhaps some missiles, which are large in size, will have to be carried only on external sling.

Su-57 is considered as a multi-role fighter-bomber, which leads to the need to use a wide range of TSA. With the help of suspended weapons, the aircraft will be able to attack air targets in a wide range of ranges, as well as attack ground or surface objects.

Famous rockets


Apparently, the Su-57 will be able to use air-to-air guided missiles R-73, R-77 and R-37, already in service. A new 810 long-range missile is expected. For the first time, an ultra-long-range missile can enter the ammunition of a domestic fighter. The KS-172 product, capable of flying at 400 km, is still at the development stage.


X-35E anti-ship missile. Wikimedia Commons Photos


For the PAK FA and other aircraft, the X-38M air-to-surface missile family has been developed. The family is based on a common platform with a unified glider, propulsion system and controls. Four missiles of this line differ in homing heads and combat load. All GOS have inertial navigation, and semi-active laser, active radar, television or satellite systems are used for final guidance. A missile in the latest configuration (X-38MK) carries a cluster warhead, all the rest - high-explosive or penetrating.

The maximum range of X-38M missiles reaches 80 km. Trajectory speed - up to M = 2,2. Chance to hit the target is 0,8. All missiles have a length of 4,2 m and a starting weight of 520 kg. X-38M products will be able to use not only the Su-57, but also other modern aircraft and tactical aviation helicopters.

In May of this year, it became known about the development of a new anti-ship missile for the Su-57. Her appearance and characteristics are unknown. It was reported only that a new ARGSN was being developed for it. Probably, the fighter will be able to use older anti-ship missiles, such as the X-35U.

At the level of the most general ideas, in the recent past, the possibility of equipping the Su-57 with a promising hypersonic missile system was mentioned. However, such a project belongs to the distant future, and its real prospects will remain unclear for a long time.

Promising bombs


In the arsenals of the Russian Aerospace Forces there are unguided and adjustable bombs of a large number of types and different calibers. Obviously, the Su-57 multipurpose fighter will be able to carry and use at least a part of these products. However, so far officially in the context of the PAK FA program, only one specific example of bomb weapons has been mentioned.


KAB-250 bomb for placement in Su-57 cargo bays. Photo Arms-expo.ru


In May, the GNPP Region (part of KTRV) announced that the KAB-57 guided bomb will replenish the nomenclature of Su-250 TSA. Such a product has already passed all the necessary tests and is preparing for mass production. KAB-250 for Su-57 differs from other bombs in an elongated shape and meets the limitations of the internal cargo compartment of the aircraft. The product has a length of 3,2 m, weighs 250 kg and carries 127 kg of explosive. The bomb is equipped with inertial and satellite navigation systems and a thermal seeker.

Airplane and weapons


Flight tests of Su-57 fighters continued from 2010. Over the past time, photo and video materials have been repeatedly published, but missile launches or bomb drop have not yet been demonstrated. Moreover, the bulk of information about weapons is still unknown, and the available data is fragmentary.

In the past, the media mentioned plans to create 14 samples of new ASPs specifically for the PAK FA program. How much of these plans have been completed is unknown. It is also unclear how the army’s plans could change over the years. It cannot be ruled out that the planned nomenclature of Su-57 weapons has changed in the direction of reduction or increase.

However, the observance of the necessary secrecy and lack of information in the public domain does not interfere with the continuation of work. In recent months, several contracts for the supply of new weapons have appeared, and soon serial production will go to the VKS. After this, we can expect the emergence of new open information of great interest.
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  1. -9
    20 September 2019 18: 18
    So far, nothing fundamentally new, alas, has been shown. And, as for the "breakthrough" line of bombs, it seems that they were cut out with a jigsaw, the performance characteristics are NOT remarkable at all.
    1. -1
      20 September 2019 18: 25
      and you don’t need to know the performance characteristics of the su-57 ... you know less you sleep better
      1. -5
        20 September 2019 18: 30
        Potential buyers will also be "lack of analogs" on their fingers to prove and "feed breakfast"?
        1. -3
          20 September 2019 19: 59
          who should be dedicated
          1. +1
            21 September 2019 05: 39
            The main thing is to sanctify. Then the GOS is not needed at all)
            1. -3
              21 September 2019 07: 05
              Sanctify your brains, comments will be smarter
              1. 0
                21 September 2019 07: 34
                A prominent intellectual said)
                1. +5
                  21 September 2019 19: 13
                  A prominent intellectual said)

                  I told you for a week, in detail, even with formulas, about stealth, combat mechanics, etc., but as you were an apologist for the religious belief "su57 is not stealth, American planes will shoot him down 100 km, and he will not even see", and as such remained.
                  1. 0
                    21 September 2019 21: 06
                    I s'ironized over modern Russian practice to consecrate everything and everyone. What does our argument about airplanes have to do with it?
                    Do not exaggerate: I never said that the 57th was not stealth. He said that he was more likely to be less than the f-22 / 35th (judging by the design features and manufacturers' data). And even in such situations, it has serious advantages in stealth over the Su-35 (its detection range is 1,77 times less).
                    And by the way, it is necessary to compare its characteristics and the possibilities of confrontation, including with the Chinese J-20/31.
                    P.S. Where did you give the formulas? And what about the ones I brought?
                    1. +3
                      21 September 2019 21: 57
                      He said that he was more likely to be less than the f-22 / 35th (judging by the design features and manufacturers' data)

                      To which I answered 10 times that independent conclusions on the degree of absorption, dispersion and reflection of a wave on the elements of an airplane are stupidity and nonsense. I wrote that a real map of reflections from different angles is obtained only on bench tests.
                      And even more so, no manufacturers will give accurate data, because the real radio portrait of the aircraft is a mystery behind 7 seals. Otherwise, why would fives with lenses fly?
                      P.S. Where did you give the formulas? And what about the ones I brought?

                      I cited the data. Just copy the EPR part.
                      Because it is possible to choose such a channel width and such a Brewster angle (70 g) that even for axial directions it is possible to reduce the EPR by an order of magnitude. For example, if a coating with a dielectric and magnetic permeabilities of έ≈14, μ = 1,7-ί1,6 is applied with a layer of thickness d = 0.65 mm, then at a wavelength of λ = 3 cm, its equivalent impedance will weakly depend on the angle of incidence of the plane wave. In human terms, it means that RPP material will absorb and dissipate energy with the same efficiency as it does when a wave with large angles of incidence is reflected in Sobr. OT. And it will give the same wave attenuation effect even without radar blockers

                      My thought, which is clearly spelled out in the last sentence, probably has not reached you. Or do you need to decrypt it in more detail?
                      1. 0
                        22 September 2019 06: 35
                        About the last sentence, using your words: did you conduct bench tests showing that the S-image. and CR reduce EPR to the same level? Yes, there is an effect in both cases, but it can be 5-10-100 times, which is very noticeable.
                        Manufacturers do not give a radio portrait, only the total value of the minimum ESR in sq. M is called.
                        The impression is that a certain “magical” effect is exerted on you by the fact that “is made with us”. And prejudices lead to errors.
                      2. +2
                        22 September 2019 15: 39
                        and you did bench tests showing that S-image. and CR reduce EPR to the same level?

                        Try to read what I’m writing all the same. Otherwise, your questions look inappropriate and incomprehensible. And I don’t have a desire to repeat the same thing 10 times.
                        The impression is that a certain “magical” effect is exerted on you by the fact that “is made with us”. And prejudices lead to errors.

                        You even draw the stupidest conclusions from my writing. I do not mindlessly defend "our". I'm trying to debunk the goofy advertising templates used by those who don't believe in "our" work. And I try to do it reasonably, and not unfounded as my interlocutors.
                      3. 0
                        22 September 2019 15: 46
                        "Believe" in the supernatural, magic, elves. The technique can be compared according to available information. Believers often want to call information about the technology of the other side advertising and deceitful. Unlike the most honest domestic manufacturers.
                      4. +2
                        22 September 2019 16: 01
                        "Believe" in the supernatural, magic, elves. The technique can be compared according to available information. Believers often want to call information about the technology of the other side advertising and deceitful.

                        You very correctly described in one sentence the essence of your comments over the past 10 days. You don’t have any data, but there are only extracts from advertising booklets generously flavored with your own and other people's speculations. But you manage not only to flaunt them, but also to blame the opponent, who opposes the reasoned position. I already told you that a conversation with you resembles a conversation with a religious fanatic who proves to me that the Earth is flat and rests on three pillars and as evidence of a reference to the Bible.
                      5. 0
                        22 September 2019 17: 53
                        “I'm trying to debunk the stupid advertising templates used by those who don't believe in" our "work."
                        Aren't these your words about faith?
                      6. 0
                        22 September 2019 18: 02
                        I say that there is known data on the aircraft mentioned, they are only from Russian and American “advertising brochures”. The level of trust to which is the same. (No double standards).
                        And on the basis of them, discussions are taking place here. Based on them, all my comments are on the subject of significant differences in the advertising booklets of the EPR indicators (just don’t say that our moneyless ones do not try to embellish the performance characteristics). I compared the designs with the position of "stealth ideology", how much ours and their planes are closer to it.
                      7. 0
                        23 September 2019 11: 47
                        And based on them, there are discussions

                        Discussions take place only with mother analysts who skip school. Your level is visible. It’s shitty that the stupidity of this does not reach you.
                      8. 0
                        23 September 2019 18: 56
                        On the basis of what school knowledge are you ready to discuss these planes? Does anyone here have classified data on radio portraits? Next to which the discussion of official indicators look "childish"?
                      9. +1
                        24 September 2019 07: 04
                        I am ready to discuss on the basis of any. It's not even a matter of discussion. And the fact is that most of such "experts" manage to draw conclusions: this one is good, and this one is bad. And once they believe in their position, they do not change it, so that it does not happen.
                        Look, here is a list of patterns actively circulated by apologists for "su57 is not stealth":
                        1. Direct, not Sobr. OT
                        2. There is no tanning lamp. Russia does not know how to do
                        3. Russia does not know how to do RPP
                        4. Motors not shielded
                        5. EPR Su57 above EPR F35
                        6. He will be seen for 200km and beaten for 100, but he will not even see.
                        7. LPI will detect and bring down the Su57 for 100km.
                        This list has been voiced repeatedly to me over the past couple of years. And never argued.
                        In fact, in your comments, most of the misconceptions from this list have been voiced.
                      10. 0
                        24 September 2019 08: 35
                        How can one argue the EPR f-35 and Su-57? The data declared by the manufacturer differ? - Yes? Is there any laboratory research data? - No.
                        The stated EPR indicators are better by an order of magnitude for the F-35, and another order of magnitude is better for the F-22.
                        There are known characteristics of AN / APG-77 (81), as well as our Irbis / Squirrel.
                        “A radar station with a phased antenna array“ N035 Irbis ”has been installed, which has a target detection range with an RCS of 0.01 m² up to 100 km; EPR 0.1 m² up to 160 km; EPR 1 m² up to 270 km; EPR 3 m² up to 400 km. L-band antenna system, which has a target detection range with RCS of 0.01 m² up to 130 km "
                        And comparing these performance characteristics from open sources, you can approximately correlate them.
                      11. 0
                        24 September 2019 11: 35
                        How can one argue the EPR f-35 and Su-57? The data declared by the manufacturer differ? - Yes? Is there any laboratory research data? - No.

                        In principle, smart people stop there.
                        And comparing these performance characteristics from open sources, you can approximately correlate them.

                        Yes, for God's sake, compare. I explained the level and objectivity of this lesson to you. You know, I have seen more than a dozen semi-natural simulations of WB with various aircraft, single and group, from different angles and distance, in jamming conditions and without, with different weapons. There calculation schemes - cascade formulas for several pages in small print. But even there probabilities are given. And for you, "experts", everything is simple: shoot - kill. Amen. negative
        2. +3
          21 September 2019 19: 22
          Potential buyers will also be "lack of analogs" on their fingers to prove and "feed breakfast"?

          In Sukhoi’s office they are only thinking about how to satisfy barbarously the curiosity of some sofa analysts with a type of you like you))
    2. +1
      21 September 2019 12: 50
      I dare to correct you. Almost everything that is shown is just new. And it will be such for a long time, it's just that you are already used to hearing about these products.

      And about TTX, what do you want to see remarkable? Horseradish with her with the KS-172, she most likely will not be on the Su-57 because of the size. But the modification of the RVV-BD R-37M is being prepared for placement in the internal compartments of the Su-57. The range will be at least 300 km. These are unique properties, actually.
  2. 0
    20 September 2019 18: 56
    Quote: lexus
    Potential buyers will also be "lack of analogs" on their fingers to prove and "feed breakfast"?

    For "potential" customers, "potential" weapons. Why am I remembering about "potency"?
    1. +3
      20 September 2019 20: 11
      ehh, I hope the fighter's weapons are in reality "potential" and not "impotent"
  3. +2
    20 September 2019 20: 11
    Su-57 can use "rectangular" Kh-59MK2, and from the inner compartment.
    1. +1
      20 September 2019 21: 56
      Quote: bars1
      Su-57 can use "rectangular" Kh-59MK2, and from the inner compartment.

      Actually, apart from the square "Gadfly" Kh-59MK2, nothing about the Su-57's internal weapons was seen in the press. Everything else mentioned seems to be only usable with external suspensions.

      In general, they confused everyone with the degree of readiness of the Su-57. Now we offer our "partners" in passing, then suddenly it is not clear with what engine, radar and weapon.
      1. 0
        21 September 2019 03: 54
        Quote: Saxahorse
        Actually, apart from the square "Gadfly" Kh-59MK2, nothing about the Su-57's internal weapons was seen in the press

        The name "Gadfly" has another ("older") modification of the Kh-59 ...
      2. 0
        21 September 2019 05: 43
        I recall the participation of the MiG-35 in a tender for India. A radar with AFAR was declared, but it turned out, "it will be ready soon."
        1. +1
          21 September 2019 13: 49
          MiG has a different radar AFAR Beetle. He is at the prototype stage.
          The Su-57 - AFAR Squirrel. He's on the last three flying prototypes for sure.
          And three more "maybe". And he went into series.
          1. 0
            21 September 2019 13: 52
            So, the aircraft will be produced, and the radar - "later" ...
            About the MiG-35, I mean that we like to say that everything is ready, and then it turns out that "almost" (that is, 1-10 years).
      3. 0
        21 September 2019 12: 53
        Almost all 14 types of weapons being developed for the Su-57, calculated internal compartments of the fighter. And what is incomprehensible with the engine and radar? The first is being tested, the second went into a series.
        1. +1
          21 September 2019 17: 48
          Quote: Voyager
          Almost all 14 types of weapons being developed for the Su-57, calculated internal compartments of the fighter.

          The word "practically" just confirms that the situation is incomprehensible. What exactly of these 14 can already be really used and what in the distant future "maybe" will be done ..?
  4. +1
    20 September 2019 23: 55
    KS-172 was planned for another 1.44.
  5. +2
    21 September 2019 10: 58
    Actually, it’s time to already show the launch of the rocket from the internal compartment.
    1. +4
      21 September 2019 11: 29
      Why do you need it? You are fans of the "penguin" that flies "slightly".
      1. +3
        21 September 2019 11: 45
        I am also a fan of the Su-57. drinks
        An ardent fan of this project.
        Because if Russia does not deploy its mass production,
        then in battles with the Chinese aircraft of the 5th generation there will be "tsushima". sad
        For this reason, I write all the time that the Su-57 must be continuously improved
        stealth and put it on stream.
        And one more reason: without the Su-57 project, Russia will lag behind even more in electronics.
        It has a lot of new technologies together.
        ----
        As for the F-35, I have already "cooled down" - the project was completely successful, Israel received
        a modern "workhorse" at full strength.
        1. -2
          21 September 2019 13: 54
          What do you say such sedition? Friendship with China is forever, and the United States and the West "sharpen knives" and want to capture the Russian Federation with the help of hundreds of F-35s))
        2. +3
          21 September 2019 14: 53
          Pony or donkey? <(')
        3. +2
          21 September 2019 17: 14
          Su-57 must be continuously improved
          stealth

          Oh, these mantras around "stealth" laughing
          1. -1
            21 September 2019 17: 52
            Quote: Designer 68
            Oh, these mantras around "stealth"

            Yes! Yes! Yes! And we must ban camouflage infantry! We must go heroically into battle! So that everyone can see from afar! laughing
            1. +2
              21 September 2019 22: 34
              What does the infantry have to do with it? The fact is that everyone begins to discuss EPR and at the same time still manages to "by eye" determine the values ​​- more, less, from 0,1 to 0,00 ..... 01. I have already asked this question and I will repeat once again: why do fives fly with lenses, if every "expert" on the airplane can determine the radio portrait of an airplane without getting up from the couch?
              1. +1
                22 September 2019 19: 24
                Quote: Designer 68
                The fact is that everyone begins to discuss EPR and at the same time still manages to "by eye" determine the values

                Well, it’s you who rush at us with general statements, then suddenly you demand some kind of numbers accurate to thousandths laughing

                No need to fool people's heads. Any "stealth" is better than none at all. For aviation today, this is exactly the same as camouflage for infantry. Yes, you can give a damn and dress up like parrots. But then do not be offended by the monstrous losses out of the blue.
                1. +1
                  23 September 2019 11: 40
                  Do not be nonsense, an adherent of the theory "Su57 is not stealth, but a penguin epr 0,00001". You are like cockroaches at a careless hostess, and all such experts, which is already surprising - everyone yells that we have problems with designers and engineers, and here every sofa maker is almost an academician.
    2. +2
      21 September 2019 12: 54
      So they showed, Alex smile
      1. 0
        21 September 2019 13: 02
        And, thanks, I didn’t. good
        1. +2
          21 September 2019 13: 10
          By the way, this is the launch of the tactical Kh-59MK2 "Gadfly" in Syria in combat conditions. But of course I would like to have more and better quality personnel.
  6. 0
    21 September 2019 21: 20
    Getting ready. That is the problem. And what is there at the moment?
    Such an article met: https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/outgunned-by-pakistan-f-16s-iaf-plans-to-re-arm-its-sukhois-with-israeli-missiles-2044172. In short: "the declared R-77 missile launch range was not confirmed, and they could not be used against targets at a distance of more than 80 km, while Pakistanis attacked Indian aircraft with AIM-120 missiles at a distance of about 100 km." A sad pattern is traced, exaggerated characteristics.
  7. -1
    21 September 2019 21: 36
    A real-life and standardly equipped medium / long-range missile is just the R-77 (RVV-AE). And besides her, the old R-27s are still in operation.

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