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US criticized Pompeo for words about Patriot, "working with varying success"

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Striking oil and gas facilities in Saudi Arabia now leads to reputational consequences for the US weapons Air defense. So, the American authorities and representatives of the command, journalists, including Arab publications, are asking questions about why the super-expensive American air defense systems could not cope with either drones or missiles that attacked Saudi Aramco's facilities?


US criticized Pompeo for words about Patriot, "working with varying success"


On the eve of a similar question was asked and the head of the US State Department Mike Pompeo. According to Pompeo, Patriot air defense systems "work successfully, but not always."
US Secretary of State:

And magnificent complexes do not allow to shoot down all targets. Even Patriot can do this with varying degrees of success.

The US has already criticized the official’s statement, noting that such a response by Pompeo “inflicts a reputation blow that is even greater than after the“ silence ”of the air defense during a strike at a refinery in Saudi Arabia.”

In the meantime, US military experts suggest sorting out how the Saudi military exploits weapons received from the US. In particular, they recalled an episode when, during a missile attack from Yemen on Riyadh, one of the Patriot anti-aircraft missiles, describing a parabola, fell and exploded a hundred meters from the launch site. So far, the Saudi authorities have not provided data on the number of deaths and injuries from a failed launch, nor on the reasons for the failure when trying to intercept a Husite missile.

Earlier, “VO” published material that Riyadh turned to South Korea with a request to help modernize its air defense system. In the US media, such a request by the Saudis to the Koreans was very jealous, noting that "US specialists could help in modernizing."

As a result, it should be noted that an interesting situation is developing: in the United States, some experts are trying to say that the Saudi military is to blame for the unsatisfactory use of air defense systems, and in Riyadh they make it clear that American systems are far from reliable.
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  1. rocket757
    rocket757 19 September 2019 08: 13
    +4
    SAM Patriot "work successfully, but not always." US Secretary of State:

    Shoved not shoved! or failed?
    1. Orkraider
      Orkraider 19 September 2019 08: 30
      +11
      No, I could not shove it, it did not work out. laughing
      They forgot to tell him that there was not only one Patriot standing. The refinery was cross-closed.
      1. krot
        krot 19 September 2019 08: 35
        +31
        Where are the US patriots? What are the liberals silent? )) The weapons of the United States are the best))) Or the most beautiful, forgot)))
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 19 September 2019 08: 44
          +9
          As the pilot of minke whales claimed, at some exhibition in Arabia .... "Made in America means the best!"
          1. krot
            krot 19 September 2019 08: 46
            +9
            Quote: rocket757
            As the pilot of minke whales claimed, at some exhibition in Arabia .... "Made in America means the best!"

            Translate if- means the most expensive! Unreasonably with))
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 19 September 2019 09: 20
              +2
              Quote: krot
              Translate if- means the most expensive! Unreasonably with))

              Not justified, this is when no one buys ..... and here the main thing is how to sell \ palm off !!! Stripes have already brought the technique of this process to extreme. MalaSy!
              Hedgehogs will still whine (to themselves) and chew their cacti!
        2. Mestny
          Mestny 19 September 2019 08: 46
          +20
          US patriots in the USA themselves are not silent.
          This is silent by our patriotic (!) US patriots.
          1. krot
            krot 19 September 2019 08: 48
            +6
            This is silent by our patriotic (!) US patriots.

            So we are talking about them .. We have enough of them .. and even on the site!
          2. Nikolay73
            Nikolay73 19 September 2019 09: 07
            +4
            ... well, we need our quotation marks, and yes! :)
        3. HAM
          HAM 19 September 2019 09: 01
          +3
          Cleverlike a monkey: either smart or pretty ...
          Sits quietly so as not to get ...
      2. Sarmat Sanych
        Sarmat Sanych 19 September 2019 13: 13
        +2
        "This is some kind of shame ..." (c)laughing
      3. Guillon
        Guillon 19 September 2019 14: 21
        +2
        Well, here you are last Pompeo Day (s)! wassat
      4. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 19 September 2019 16: 51
        +1
        In the diagram, 3 Skyguard radars are visible. This is a Swiss radar. He can work with various small SAM (but not Patriot) and Oerlikon anti-aircraft guns. And on the diagram is one Patriot battery. In order for Patriot to shoot down drones, in Israel they added her software. Cruise missiles (low-flying) are also very difficult for her to shoot down.
        1. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 19 September 2019 22: 03
          +2
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Cruise missiles (low-flying) are also very difficult for her to shoot down.

          Perhaps you should regret the heart. crying
        2. bk316
          bk316 20 September 2019 15: 56
          0
          In order for Patriot to shoot down drones, in Israel they added her software.

          Damn both in the patriot and in the penguin .... Do you file everything amerkoe with a file? I don’t understand Jews are hardworking people and they can write programs and what should the Arabs do? wassat
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 20 September 2019 16: 03
            0
            Patriot shoots down high-flying aircraft well.
            He intercepts ballistic targets, but often does not have time to destroy
            fragmentation explosion of their warhead. Damaged BR enclosures
            (where the fuel has long burned out) fly by inertia further,
            falling close to targets. This happened in Saudi Arabia.
            And to fight drones, Patriot needs to add software and reconfigure the radar.
    2. WILL
      WILL 19 September 2019 08: 33
      +6
      Well now, this Secretary of State Pompeo is lobbyists from the military industrial complex of Matrasia, they will cause such problems in his Pompeo! laughing fellow feel to think what to say! yes
      1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
        SERGEY SERGEEVICS 19 September 2019 08: 57
        +2
        Quote: ANIMAL
        Well now, this Secretary of State Pompeo is lobbyists from the military industrial complex of Matrasia, they will cause such problems in his Pompeo! laughing fellow feel to think what to say! yes
        If the Democrats intercede, then it will also be a hero, they now, every second says it, Doni's evil and nothing, everything is normal.
        1. WILL
          WILL 19 September 2019 09: 02
          +2
          Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
          Quote: ANIMAL
          Well now, this Secretary of State Pompeo is lobbyists from the military industrial complex of Matrasia, they will cause such problems in his Pompeo! laughing fellow feel to think what to say! yes
          If the Democrats intercede, then it will also be a hero, they now, every second says it, Doni's evil and nothing, everything is normal.

          Are you so naive ??? belay Can you imagine the budget of the Mattress-Military-Industrial Complex? For them, that Democrats, that Republicans - dust on boots! This is just the military-industrial complex - and elects the Presidents! yes
          1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
            SERGEY SERGEEVICS 19 September 2019 09: 09
            -1
            Are you so naive ???

            The point here is not naivety, but the facts that they have.
            Can you imagine the budget of the Mattress-Military-Industrial Complex? For them, that Democrats, that Republicans - dust on boots!
            And what of it? If they have so built power in the country.
            This is just the military-industrial complex - and elects the Presidents! yes
            They chose him, they do him dirty tricks, like this one.
            1. Sky strike fighter
              Sky strike fighter 19 September 2019 12: 27
              -2
              After yesterday's telephone conversation between Putin and the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia, the Saudi F-15s hit Iranian militias in Abu Kemal and did not meet air defense resistance. Did Iran decide to move it from sin out of sin?
              A massive missile strike was fired on the Syrian city of Abu Kemal. According to Independent Arabia, Saudi Arabian air force fighters took part in the airstrike, and the bombing itself was a response to an alleged Iranian attack against the Saudi Aramco refineries.

              http://in24.org/world/37306
    3. Glory1974
      Glory1974 19 September 2019 08: 47
      +18
      SAM Patriot "work successfully, but not always." US Secretary of State:

      If no one attacks, then it works great. But if attacked, then no. lol
      1. Evdokim
        Evdokim 19 September 2019 09: 35
        +1
        Quote: glory1974
        If no one attacks, then it works great. But if attacked, then no.

        More reliable fly swatter. wassat
  2. Strashila
    Strashila 19 September 2019 08: 13
    +9
    What can I say, bullshit, but this is American bullshit for a lot of money. Since Saddam, nothing has changed.
  3. Nycomed
    Nycomed 19 September 2019 08: 14
    +6
    Yes, the Americans "got into a puddle". On the other hand, we all know perfectly well which of the Arabs are "specialists" in the field of air defense systems operation.
    1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
      SERGEY SERGEEVICS 19 September 2019 08: 50
      +5
      Quote: Nycomed
      Yes, the Americans "got into a puddle". On the other hand, we all know perfectly well which of the Arabs are "specialists" in the field of air defense systems operation.

      we all know perfectly
      What do we know? They, too, without any preparation, will not be allowed to this weapon. We have over there, conscripts, for six months, they have mastered them well, and they have operators in general.
      1. Nycomed
        Nycomed 19 September 2019 09: 07
        +2
        While our specialists were engaged in air defense in Egypt in the early 70s and in Syria in the early 80s, the Israeli Air Force and the American Navy suffered losses, sometimes quite significant. And after the "trained Arabs" were "seated" in our complexes, everything went to pieces. At the sound of an approaching plane, everything was thrown into the bushes or behind the dune, well, or "to drink tea".
        1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
          SERGEY SERGEEVICS 19 September 2019 09: 13
          +1
          Quote: Nycomed
          While our specialists were engaged in air defense in Egypt in the early 70s and in Syria in the early 80s, the Israeli Air Force and the American Navy suffered losses, sometimes quite significant. And after the "trained Arabs" were "seated" in our complexes, everything went to pieces. At the sound of an approaching plane, everything was thrown into the bushes or behind the dune, well, or "to drink tea".

          We have now, it seems, already 21 centuries, and not 70-80 years. And the technology of these systems, completely different, as it was then.
          1. Nycomed
            Nycomed 19 September 2019 09: 32
            +2
            At the 21st. century the Syrians came out of the "shell" "to drink tea", and then suddenly - BAM! And that's it, there is no "shell" ...
            1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
              SERGEY SERGEEVICS 19 September 2019 09: 37
              0
              Quote: Nycomed
              At the 21st. century the Syrians came out of the "shell" "to drink tea", and then suddenly - BAM! And that's it, there is no "shell" ...

              Did someone teach them this? or they were trained in this, in our military schools, then of course not, in the field they showed how to manage everything.
              1. Nycomed
                Nycomed 19 September 2019 09: 52
                0
                "Did someone teach them this?"
                What? "Drink some tea"? They have it with Mother's milk. lol
                1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
                  SERGEY SERGEEVICS 19 September 2019 10: 01
                  -1
                  Quote: Nycomed
                  "Did someone teach them this?"
                  What? "Drink some tea"? They have it with Mother's milk. lol

                  What

                  To what it is about.
                  This is with their mother’s milk.

                  And you, too, have distinguished yourself in this respect. They do not use bold type, but for this they came up with quotes.
  4. Well done
    Well done 19 September 2019 08: 17
    0
    The prince had to show the work of the Tula "Shell". Here are the beauty!
    1. igorbrsv
      igorbrsv 19 September 2019 08: 29
      0
      This is ammunition consumption wassat . It looks like a beam. Most important goals are hit
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      2. krot
        krot 19 September 2019 08: 37
        +12
        The prince had to show the work of the Tula "Shell". Here are the beauty!

        This video is computer graphics! What kind of children are on the site?)) What shell is there? Ha Ha Ha))
        1. Well done
          Well done 19 September 2019 08: 40
          +1
          The main thing is for the prince to believe.
          1. igorbrsv
            igorbrsv 19 September 2019 09: 06
            +2
            And what. I have believed. And the prince will ride wassat
            1. bondrostov
              bondrostov 19 September 2019 09: 35
              +1
              And if you ever have really achieved such a rate of fire ?! wassat
        2. loki565
          loki565 19 September 2019 09: 04
          +1
          not just from the game, but from the ARMA3 game.))) specially blurred the picture, video for the game below)))
    2. Hog
      Hog 19 September 2019 08: 31
      +2
      How is the advertising of the ground-based ZAK "Phalanx" here?
      1. loki565
        loki565 19 September 2019 08: 57
        0
        This is from the game ARMA3)))
    3. demo
      demo 19 September 2019 08: 34
      -1
      If you don’t mean how such rays are created, then a very nice picture.
      Sunrise, a quiet morning, and the guys have fun in the backlight!
      Lepote!
    4. Nycomed
      Nycomed 19 September 2019 08: 37
      -6
      And "work" on the Syrian "shell", when the Arabs went out to "drink tea".
      1. igorbrsv
        igorbrsv 19 September 2019 09: 41
        +1
        Well come out and come out. We are not composing odes about Russian weapons.
        Here is one of the videos. The video itself on the drum. Read reviews
        https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DSt1lbeBkTkc&ved=2ahUKEwjn-cnnotzkAhVlwMQBHZM8Cw8QwqsBMAN6BAgFEA4&usg=AOvVaw0bjg1Wf1JLKQLWxEOQBPht&cshid=1568875111217
    5. edeligor
      edeligor 19 September 2019 08: 38
      0
      It is very pleasant, of course, that this is attributed to the "Shell" .., but even on the video the work of the 6-barrel is audible. This, at least, is not him.
    6. Orkraider
      Orkraider 19 September 2019 08: 53
      +1
      And what does the “Shell” have to do with it?
      The white dome does not remind you of anything? Enemy lol
      1. loki565
        loki565 19 September 2019 09: 00
        0
        This is from the game ARMA 3. Video below)))
    7. loki565
      loki565 19 September 2019 08: 54
      +6
      Ha ha ha funny fake, and the picture was specially blotted out ???))) This is a vidos from Arm 3, it shoots not from the shell, but the phalanx and not at drones, but at cruise missiles, by the way the author of the clip is Japanese)))
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    8. Graz
      Graz 19 September 2019 08: 59
      +2
      it’s written under the original video that this is the American phalanx from the ArmA 3 video game however request
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMUv2BF5hUo
    9. Monar
      Monar 19 September 2019 09: 20
      +1
      What is the amount of ammunition? But the end justifies the means. )
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    11. tetragram
      tetragram 19 September 2019 09: 39
      +2
      This is not a shell.
    12. Reserve buildbat
      Reserve buildbat 19 September 2019 10: 07
      +1
      Different trunks are working, some kind of "volcano falanx" is rolling in front ... Where is "Pantsir"?
    13. Ramzaj99
      Ramzaj99 19 September 2019 12: 39
      +1
      Quote: Welldone
      The prince had to show the work of the Tula "Shell". Here are the beauty!

      The shell doesn’t shoot like that, it's a fake. More like a minigun .......
    14. Roman070280
      Roman070280 19 September 2019 14: 05
      0
      CIWS Phalanx cruise missile BGM-109 Tomahawk

      Original:

    15. Guillon
      Guillon 19 September 2019 14: 28
      0
      E-mayo, 50 thousand ammunition shot! belay But not in vain !!! fellow yes good soldier
  5. KCA
    KCA 19 September 2019 08: 19
    +4
    They turned to South Korea with a request to help in modernization, is it not South Korea, which in Russia ordered the development of an air defense system?
    1. vadson
      vadson 19 September 2019 08: 28
      +4
      Well, it’s not comme il faut to order them from us, mattresses on eggs have come and they don’t leave
    2. bk316
      bk316 20 September 2019 16: 01
      0
      Isn’t it South Korea, which in Russia ordered the development of an air defense system?

      this business is nothing personal - everyone will get enough
  6. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 19 September 2019 08: 25
    +4
    Great advertisement! Keep it up! You are selling a lot of weapons good
    1. cniza
      cniza 19 September 2019 08: 57
      +2
      Unfortunately, they know how to "convince" their customers, however, this is becoming more and more difficult. yes
  7. Prisoner
    Prisoner 19 September 2019 08: 39
    +2
    SAM Patriot "work successfully, but not always" (c) In general, how lucky. The truth is very lucky. laughing
  8. evgen1221
    evgen1221 19 September 2019 08: 42
    +6
    I don’t know whether or not they noticed, but when the news concerns America’s Obosrams, all-Westerners and lovers of the West simply remain silent and ignore, like in our country they are promoting their swamp in the forefront. Maybe we’ll adopt the same tactics, it’s our best, and if something happens, don’t tear your hair and vests but will dry off with two sentences-1. Our best. 2. It happens.
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    1. Graz
      Graz 19 September 2019 09: 00
      +3
      well, the s-300 hasn’t shot at anyone yet, this time, the Syrians are less able to fight these two things, but the Yemenites carry the Saudi’s nose
      1. pru-pavel
        pru-pavel 19 September 2019 09: 07
        -4
        Patriot may also not have shot this time. We do not know this.
        1. pv1005
          pv1005 19 September 2019 10: 11
          +3
          Quote: pru-pavel
          Patriot may also not have shot this time. We do not know this.

          And the truth is why shoot it itself resolves no matter how. The purpose of the air defense system is not for the same. True?
          1. pru-pavel
            pru-pavel 19 September 2019 10: 13
            -3
            Well, the same thing can be said about Syria
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  10. midshipman
    midshipman 19 September 2019 08: 54
    +6
    This has not yet been used by terrorists in the swarm attack tactics. A patriot in his performance characteristics cannot be effective in such situations.
  11. cniza
    cniza 19 September 2019 08: 55
    +4
    “And the magnificent complexes do not allow to shoot down all targets. Even Patriot can do this with varying degrees of success.


    This is called - they sat in a puddle to the fullest, they didn’t pass the practice test ...
  12. bober1982
    bober1982 19 September 2019 09: 04
    +3
    The attacked refinery was surrounded by a dense ring of British and American bases, and missed the blow of semi-artisanal drones.
    It turns out that either the American air defense system is a bluff, or they deliberately missed a blow to the Saudis.
    1. bk316
      bk316 20 September 2019 16: 04
      0
      It turns out that either the American air defense system is a bluff, or knowingly missed a beat by the saudis.

      what are you doing uncomfortable conclusions belay
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 20 September 2019 16: 41
        0
        Oil jumped in price, pressure intensified on Iran, a good reason to start a big war against them.
  13. Konstantin Shevchenko
    Konstantin Shevchenko 19 September 2019 09: 06
    +3
    This is not a bad Patriot air defense system, but they forgot to turn off "friend or foe" laughing
  14. Lesorub
    Lesorub 19 September 2019 09: 11
    +6
    And magnificent complexes do not allow to shoot down all targets. Even Patriot can do this with varying degrees of success.

    Mike Pompeo - Respect - excellent anti-advertising Patriot, from the head of the State Department))
  15. Karaul14
    Karaul14 19 September 2019 09: 14
    -8
    It would be something to compare! Patriots have already participated in hostilities and there is already statistics on what percentage of targets they shot down and what percentage they missed. There are no statistics on the S-300 and S-400, there were 2 cases when they could show themselves - this is when they ironed Shayrat with Tomahawks, and then again something in Syria, but apparently they stood there for beauty and could not bring down the "usual subsonic tomahawks ".
    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 19 September 2019 09: 58
      +8
      It would be something to compare! Patriots have already participated in the hostilities and there are already statistics on what percentage of goals they shot down and which missed.

      Find yesterday’s press conference on the Saudi Minister of Defense, who said that out of 25 cruise missiles and drones, only 3 didn’t reach the targets. Of 25, only 3, that is, 12% didn’t fly, but 88% flew. statistics.
      There are no statistics on the S-300 and S-400, there were 2 cases when they could show themselves - this is when Shayrat was ironed with Tomahawks, and then again something in Syria, but they apparently stood there for beauty and could not bring down the "usual subsonic tomahawks ".

      S-300 and S-400 during the attacks listed by you were in service with only the Russian Federation, not Syria. It was not the Russian bases in Syria that attacked, but the bases of the Syrian armed forces, and the Syrian air defense was armed with a whole zoo of air defense systems of different systems that differ in the years of release, that is, the Syrians fought back with what they had (Buki, Armor, S-125, S-200 and this is not a complete list.). We did not officially participate in repulsing American attacks and were outsiders of the observer officially. Therefore, we did not use the S-300, S-400, which were in service with the Russian group in Syria to protect it (base in Syria) .On the armaments of Saudi Arabia, it is the Patriot air defense system that the Arabs tried to fight back from the strike, but could not.
  16. Angrybeard
    Angrybeard 19 September 2019 09: 29
    0
    It is believed that some hawks have recently been clearly hinted by the Persians a couple of times that their plans for a small victorious war with Iran may bring some surprises.
  17. nobody111body
    nobody111body 19 September 2019 09: 58
    +1
    and where the prince keeps all his loot, so the Jews force him to keep these billions in his American banks, they are holding them from them both for the patriot and for the rest of the rubbish that the Jews sell to the Saudis
  18. Fantazer911
    Fantazer911 19 September 2019 10: 02
    +2
    As a result, it should be noted that an interesting situation is developing: in the United States, some experts are trying to say that the Saudi military is to blame for the unsatisfactory use of air defense systems, and in Riyadh they make it clear that American systems are far from reliable.

    These last phrase says it all and you can safely put an end to the defense industry of America, especially in the field of technology, missile defense, and even more so in the interception of targets.

    "American complexes are far from being reliable"
    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 19 September 2019 10: 11
      +1
      Absolutely.
      The Saudi Ministry of Defense revealed the wreckage of drones that were used to attack oil fields. The broadcast was led by Al Arabiya.

      According to the representative of the defense department of Turki al-Maliki, the attack did not come from Yemen, "despite Iran’s efforts to make it look like this."
      According to him, cruise missiles were also used during the attack, a total of 25 drones and missiles were used. However, three of them did not hit the target. Drones were different from those used by the Hussites, al-Maliki added. According to him, the Iranian Delta Wing UAV drones were used for the attack.

      Read more at RBC:
      https://www.rbc.ru/politics/18/09/2019/5d8245f69a7947d7752ea278
  19. 3vs
    3vs 19 September 2019 10: 40
    +1
    Here, our military staff would have to podsuyutsya with shells and tori!
  20. Ros 56
    Ros 56 19 September 2019 10: 56
    0
    So Pompeo turns out to be an electrician for alternating current, there too, then ...., then not ....
  21. Forest
    Forest 19 September 2019 11: 03
    +2
    But how they advertise and how they worship worshipers)
  22. tth
    tth 19 September 2019 11: 55
    0
    recalled an episode when, during a missile attack from Yemen on Riyadh, one of the Patriot anti-aircraft missiles, describing a parabola, fell and exploded a hundred meters from the launch site

    You don’t understand anything, Patriot is the most advanced air defense system, it’s simply included in the MLRS mode according to the results of a friend or foe response)
  23. Rwmos
    Rwmos 19 September 2019 12: 25
    +2
    A little pregnant. Intercepted, but not always ... Given. that with a massive attack by Syria with Axes - Axes also hit the target ... But not always - about one out of a hundred tomahawks - intercepts fit into the statistical error. The record was during the first Iraqi - according to one of the Scuds (ancient) - they were released by 28 Patriots, which is the funniest thing - they didn’t bring down
  24. Borsht
    Borsht 19 September 2019 13: 51
    +1
    "The Last Day of Pompeo"
  25. Shahno
    Shahno 20 September 2019 16: 00
    -2
    Quote: bk316
    In order for Patriot to shoot down drones, in Israel they added her software.

    Damn both in the patriot and in the penguin .... Do you file everything amerkoe with a file? I don’t understand Jews are hardworking people and they can write programs and what should the Arabs do? wassat

    Thinking sometimes who they contacted ..