The last 20 years have been wasted for the Russian economy - expert opinion

In the next program of the series “There is no money, but you hold on” on the DayTV channel, the host and his guest, international business consultant Yevgeny Gilbo, will discuss the problem of why there is still no money in the country and how to make sure that most Russians have money -so there.

Speaking about elite performance criteria, on which the future of Russia depends, Gilbo suggests expanding the list of criteria to include, in addition to development, efficiency and social justice, such concepts as development sustainability and competitiveness. It is the competitiveness of the nation, according to the economist, that is the most important function of the ruling elite.

If we evaluate the current situation in our country from these positions, the picture is rather sad. Eugene Gilbo is convinced that Russia is late with certain steps that are necessary for adaptation in the modern world. In a number of positions, Russia is very far behind the West, and now it pays for it. The last twenty years have been wasted economically for our country, and during this time the world has fundamentally changed. This is the opinion expressed by the expert.

How to adapt Russia to new conditions? Why is the anachronism of the economic and social system the most important problem in our country, and how to solve it? Who will rule the world?

Comments

[kostik1301]

"Gang of patriots" is approaching its long-awaited end of the reign ............ with the conclusion of the last 20 years is complete stagnation!

[Grandfather]

Quote: kostik1301

"Gang of patriots" is approaching its long-awaited end of the reign ............ with the conclusion of the last 20 years is complete stagnation!

I move away from the screen ... now saliva will spray from the "patriots" ...

[Mestny]

The patriots have already moved away.
While all the prowlers are freaking out here.

[zed042]

applause.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

I move away from the screen ... now saliva will spray from the "patriots" ...

And here I’m looking, "smart guys" are just fooling around on the resource, they are the first to insert their haughty comments.

Only the insane knowing what Russia had come to in the late 90s (default, war in the Caucasus, collapse of the country, public debt of 145% of GDP, disruption in all sectors of the economy) and the current state will speak of stagnation.

Russia is developing, becoming stronger day by day from all spheres!

Well, for the gifted, I’ll say that $ 20 per barrel in the 90s is not much less than $ 60 today in goods and services. Who wants to check - increases $ 20 by %% inflation in the United States over the past 25 years.

[Foul skeptic]

Well, for the gifted, I’ll say that $ 20 per barrel in the 90s is not much less than $ 60 today in goods and services. Who wants to check - increases $ 20 by %% inflation in the United States over the past 25 years.

And why did you say that? What is the conclusion from this?
If with comparable oil revenues 25 years ago and now, then it was worse, but now it’s better, and everything depends on the difference in administration, then this is a comparison between warm and soft.
1) The difference is absolute, but not relative:
before the 90s it was better, in the 90s it was worse. It was better in the 2000s, worse in the 2010s. Therefore, subjectively, we saw development after the 90s until the 2010s, but not after the 2010s. After all, one must compare not with the worst possible, but with the best possible. Despite the politicization in the USSR of everything related to the Russian Empire, the statisticians took the favorable year 1913 as a starting point, although they could have taken 1902 or 1917 for more "rosy" results.
2) 25 years ago a barrel averaged $ 15,8. Adjusted for inflation in 2019, that's 27,9 current dollars. The difference of more than 100% is still not "not much less". Moreover, if we count in goods - here, in addition to inflation, the demand / supply ratio plays a role. Now they buy much more oil from us than then, because more of it is needed. Therefore, there is also more money from her. And by spending them, we are acquiring more than we acquired 25 years ago for a comparable amount, taking into account inflation - the growth in the world prices for hydrocarbons is outstripping the growth in prices for industrial products. Nissan maxima 25 years ago started from 24 (in current prices it is 490 dollars), now the maxima starts from 43 dollars). 000 years ago, the country had to sell 33 barrels to buy a car, and now only 000. And so it goes.

[Beringovsky]

it is necessary to add costs to this, for objectivity. Rather take away. If you take away (in comparable prices) the costs of extraction, storage and transportation, grr, etc. from $ 28 and from $ 65, the difference will look even more impressive.

[bionik]

In 2007, for example, I received 30 thousand rubles, (I live in Yekaterinburg), now I receive 000 in the same way, only in 2019 the dollar exchange rate was 2007 rubles. Now 25 rubles. for one bucks ... Feel the difference...)))

[Lexus]

The difference is that the prices are really FREE. And the people "responsible" for them - from, in fact, responsibility. As, however, and from conscience.

[winnie]

Everyone sees only what he wants. And the infrastructure is developing, housing is being built, agriculture is being developed, factories are being built, aviation began to revive again from 0, the defense industry is working decently, although it was already possible to put an end to it at zero. Much is being done for the future, and all-crouching people sit exactly on a soft spot and cry and whine, think that this will help the economy and life.

[Chit]

There is no need to trump default and collapse, not only Russia went through this. All countries of the former union painfully survived the collapse and destruction of the union cooperation. But all countries somehow survived and continue to live. At the very least.
But the Russian has the right to ask: why does he live approximately at the level of the peoples of other CIS countries, which do not have a tenth of the Russian natural wealth and minerals?
Why, comparing the standard of living with the standard of living of the representative of the UAE, Norway or Saudi Arabia, does he feel deprived?

[Boris55]

Quote: kostik1301

The last 20 years is a complete stagnation!

And the nineties, when the foundation of the current economic policy was laid, where did they do it?
About stagnation. If even at Putin's speech in Munich (2007) all the world media wrote that the mouse was roaring, today the entire "progressive" public recognizes that without Russia it is impossible to solve a single issue.

Quote: Dead Day

I move away from the screen ... now saliva will spray from the "patriots" ...

"With what hi, with such an answer."

[Evdokim]

Quote: Boris55

And the nineties, when the foundation of the current economic policy was laid, where did they do it?

For me, the gypsy at the bazaar or train station is a bigger economist than these Ekanamists with all sorts of diplomas a la accountant. (Economics is not a science, but fortune-telling on coffee grounds.) And I have something to compare with. Moscow wasn’t built right away, it’s necessary to work, and not to chew snot, for the 20 years that Putin has been stealing change. So that the next pack of lopsided liberduns will gather, and will conduct a session of uchotherapy, the target audience.


PS And no one wondered: Why did Moses lead the Jews in the desert for 40 years? Although the distance on the map is almost none. Question by the way in the subject.

[Beringovsky]

And Putin is also Moses ?!
Although, why not?
"Russian President Vladimir Putin, speaking on Tuesday at the congress of the world Israeli foundation" Keren Hayesod ", called the Russians and the Israelis single family with a common history. "Citizens of Russia and Israel are linked by family, kinship, friendship. This is a real network, common family."

[Evdokim]

Quote: Beringovsky

And Putin is also Moses ?!
Although, why not?

Made laugh !!! GDP Biblical Hero.
Moses led the people in the wilderness so that two generations of Jews would grow without slavery. We are just comparing everything with the USSR, but times are different, Capitalism came.

[Ptolemy Lag]

Moses led Jews through the desert for 40 years so that the latter would die, who remembered that in Egypt it was far from so bad ...

[Evdokim]

Quote: Ptolemy Lag

Moses led Jews through the desert for 40 years so that the latter would die, who remembered that in Egypt it was far from so bad ...

Original ..... You want to say they are waiting for those who remember the USSR to die.

[Varyag71]

Are you talking about Moscow about the increase in the number of oligarchs? Here, of course, I will not argue. The changes are gigantic.

[Evdokim]

Quote: Varyag71

Are you talking about Moscow about the increase in the number of oligarchs?

Thank Boris Yeltsin for this.

[U-58]

What Boris is the king? !!!!
How many dollar billiards a year is added?
And not in Moscow, but in quite a remote place?
Where is the EBN?
According to the oligarchs, the plan is overfulfilled ..

[Vadim237]

And what about these billionaires - you and me do not interfere with their lives, and for some they give work everything else is stupidly envy and nothing more.

[New Year day]

Quote: Evdokim

Thank Boris Yeltsin for this.

Just like in Ukraine, the "poperedniki" are to blame for everything

[Varyag71]

Sounds funny. And who promoted Putin? It was under Pu that the quantity has grown and is growing. Especially their income increased after 2014, when ordinary people are declining. And who is building the Yeltsin Centers and with whom is this happening?

[AU Ivanov.]

Do you naively think that Vova was promoted by Borya? I am afraid that Borya made an offer that he could not refuse. We have not decided to voluntarily leave such posts: either by urgent request, or on a gun carriage.

[Varyag71]

Yes, it’s clear that behind the warrior, that certain people and clans are behind the bore.

[AU Ivanov.]

By itself. There was a quiet and modest coup d'état, without special effects, fortunately, as in Independence.

[Beringovsky]

AU Ivanov.
There was a quiet and modest coup d'etat, without special effects

Do not fantasize, there was no coup d'etat. EBN, when he recanted on New Year's day, barely turned his tongue, he looked like a zombie. That's what the people came to. What a coup, he was glad to leave.
But Vova was pulled long before that. They even let the prime minister work to look at his suitability.
So if there was anything, it was a quiet transfer of power to the "heir".
For this, Yeltsin is also building Vova centers. Everyone understands this.
And here you are trying to cast a shadow on the fence ... a coup ...

[AU Ivanov.]

When was it in Russia that power was ceded voluntarily? Remember? They asked Borya from the chair in exchange for
Family Immunity. After that they cleared Yeltsin’s associates.

[Beringovsky]

When was it in Russia that power was ceded voluntarily? Remember?

And when did our ruler drank to such a state? Remember?

After that they cleared Yeltsin’s associates.

And they replaced them with their own - Medvedev, Rotenberg and so on. And what's the point?

[Squelcher]

Do not throw beads; flies only see one thing. There is constructive criticism, and there is only nagging from what everyone should.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

I agree, Putin did just the impossible, saved Russia and made it many times stronger, and the people are richer.

In the 90s they did not know what to feed the children, but now they whine that ham and mold cheese are not allowed into Russia.

[Vadim237]

In the 90s there was a terrible picture in everything - the poor were at every turn and it immediately caught my eye.

[Gardamir]

factor of

One of the main achievements was teaching people to speak Newspeak. What kind of "enemies" are they? Right "several times".

[Svarog]

The last twenty years have been wasted economically for our country, and during this time the world has fundamentally changed. This is the opinion expressed by the expert.

"Stability" is our everything! The degradation of everything and everything on the face, lost as much as 20 years and this with unprecedented oil prices .. as soon as prices went down, all the "achievements" immediately became obvious to the common man.

[New Year day]

Quote: Svarog

"Stability" is our everything!

[AU Ivanov.]

This means that overhead revenues from the sale of hydrocarbons were directed to the budget. Prior to this, the price of oil did not matter - almost nothing was dripping from its sale to the budget.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

This means that overhead revenues from the sale of hydrocarbons were directed to the budget. Prior to this, the price of oil did not matter - almost nothing was dripping from its sale to the budget.

No, this means that the budget now goes $ 40 per barrel, and all that’s on top is in reserve, and this is correct, since the resources belong not only to the current generation, but something must be left to the next ones.

All who yell that reserves need to be consumed work in the West. Since the waste of reserves in the end simply leads to the purchase of imports and money from the reserves of Russia will flow to companies and economies of the West.

And with the current system, there is money in the budget and the budget is growing from year to year and there are reserves and our products are competitive in our market.

In order to live richer, it is not necessary to devour reserves, but to work better, to make quality products !!!

You often don’t look at Russian goods without annoyance and tears, but those who produce them want to live like in Europe.

[Foul skeptic]

And our products are competitive in our market.

You can’t look at Russian goods often without annoyance and tears.

In an attempt to pull an owl on a globe, you contradict yourself.

[Vadim237]

"Often you won't look at Russian goods without annoyance and tears" - For example?

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

The degradation of everything and everything on the face, lost as much as 20 years, and this at unprecedented oil prices ..

More specifically, in what area do we have degradation in Russia?

Well, I’ll tell you a secret, the great "smart economist", that the US also has inflation and that $ 20 per barrel in the 90s is no less than the current 60. Multiply $ 20 by inflation in 25 years in the US.

It was only in the 90s that we sold resources, we lived hungry and still had to remain, but now the country has huge reserves and the lowest public debt among the countries of the world.

And this is the merit of Putin, like peace in the Caucasus and the preservation of the country from collapse and the development of all sectors of the economy.

[LON]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

the great "smart economist"

Great "smart economist". Open your eyes and you will understand why in the 90s we lived in hunger.

[Vadim237]

But not in the structure of Russia's GDP - and there, oil and gas occupies 19%.

[LON]

And what has the GDP. No need to jump to another topic. I am discussing your statement that “in the 90s we sold resources, we lived in hunger,” although the share of these resources in the budget was only 6%, in contrast to today's 43,2%. I don’t understand what is the merit of today's government.

[sunzhenets]

Quote: Svarog

"Stability" is our everything! The degradation of everything and everything on the face, lost as much as 20 years and this with unprecedented oil prices .. as soon as prices went down, all the "achievements" immediately became obvious to the common man.

Just the word "stability" is written with the letters "F", "O", "P", "A"

[Victor Orthodox]

Stagnation is not stagnation, but GDP is growing. New plants are being built. Wells are being drilled. What else is needed then. Slowly developing, yes. Need to refresh the government, stayed up.

[ultra]

Quote: kostik1301

A gang of patriots "

So we have a "gang of liberals" in their place. Do you think it will get better? I strongly doubt that.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

These are not liberals, these are pseudo-liberals, but in fact traitors, they want to return Russia to the chaos of the 90s in order to hand it off with giblets to those who are now feeding all these skins from abroad.

That Nemtsov, that Navalny that the rest do not work anywhere, do not conduct business, but they provide their families and lovers with everything from expensive housing to studying abroad and do not deny themselves anything.

[LON]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

That Nemtsov, that Navalny that the rest do not work anywhere, do not conduct business, but they provide their families and lovers with everything from expensive housing to studying abroad and do not deny themselves anything.

Change the training manual. Zaportortiroval already. Refresh your brain. Why did the dead be counted among the living?

[Ros 56]

Apart from the fact that everyone in the world cannot live a day, so as not to mention Russia, some with respect and some with hatred and fear. And so everything is fine marquise.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

"Gang of patriots" is approaching its long-awaited end of the reign ............ with the conclusion of the last 20 years is complete stagnation!

That is, in your opinion, Russia has not changed for 20 ?!

Do you yourself live in Russia or exactly 20 years ago you went blind?

[iConst]

There are certainly changes.

By the way, I invite everyone to take a closer look at the photo: The keyword "financial".
The financiers (collective Soros) have long ceased to be an investment institution "according to Marx." And since our financial system is a branch of the Fed, what else can they say? Of course everything is bad! It is necessary to "surrender" to their gentle hands and everything will be fine at once. :)

[Boris55]

With our wealth and then there is no money? Maybe someone does not have enough brains, how to dispose of 20% of the world's natural reserves of the Earth?

[vadson]

someone does not and someone is full, but that would be with him. in the regions there is no decent salary which you can live on and not survive.

[Vadim237]

This is to ask private entrepreneurs questions about salaries - 75% of the total population of Russia works for them.

[vadson]

namesake, in our state offices the salary is 80% of the salary is calculated from the minimum wage - from 12 thousand. with premiums if 15 already runs something.

[Vadim237]

I don’t know how it is in your offices, I give out 140000 CNCs to my operators.

[Beringovsky]

Maybe someone does not have enough brains, how to dispose of 20% of the world's natural reserves of the Earth?

They lack conscience and not brains.
Rather, it just does not exist.

[ultra]

Quote: Beringovsky

They lack conscience and not brains.
Rather, it just does not exist.

Under capitalism, conscience and power are incompatible. And this is not only with us.

[iConst]

Quote: Beringovsky

Rather, it just does not exist.

Yes, there is no such criterion in the WASP paradigm. Our nouveau riche in the 90s was taught this pattern - tear your teeth as you can and where you can. What result is still to be expected?

[Uncle lee]

I’ve sounded a thousand times, I repeat ...

[Svarog]

Quote: Uncle Lee

I’ve sounded a thousand times, I repeat ...

I would add, conscience is not enough .. although it is probably naive, as it sounds in our time, conscience ..

[Uncle lee]

Quote: Svarog

naive, as it sounds in our time, conscience ..

[Vadim237]

We have the means - we have few markets for the products of mechanical engineering of instrument making and other things, and therefore the country with 110 trillion GDP has only 8 trillion from the sale of mechanical engineering.

[Foul skeptic]

And what does the domestic market do not suit you? We purchase engineering products for 6,6 trillion abroad, which means there is a demand for these 6,6 trillion - cover it with domestic products. And about the sale of mechanical engineering for 8 trillion - this figure can only be misleading. In reality, products are produced at a lower cost, just each resale counts. Analyze the main performance indicators of organizations by type of activity from Rosstat collections. For example, it turns out that the average price of a TV turns out to be 200 thousand rubles Although, in fact, the average price of a TV is 24 thousand rubles (sales statistics from MVideo in 2019). So it turns out that the remaining 176 thousand rubles arise from the resale of this TV. That melts 8 trillion to 2-3 trillion offhand. That is, only at the expense of the domestic market can we increase the production of engineering products by 100-200%.

[Vadim237]

I wrote to you about mechanical engineering, but not about consumer goods televisions and other rubbish. Unfortunately, past our Wishlist in the domestic and foreign market is the priority of the buyer - what he wants, then he will buy.

[Foul skeptic]

I wrote to you about mechanical engineering, but not about consumer goods televisions and other rubbish.

You wrote about $ 8 trillion, which means you also wrote about "consumer TVs", because their production is included in this $ 8 trillion. (actually 7,05 in 2018) - see "Russia in Figures 2018" from Rosstat. I could give an example and not with TVs, they are just visual due to a separate column in statistics.

Unfortunately, past our Wishlist in the domestic and foreign market is the priority of the buyer - what he wants, then he will buy.

Give loans for the purchase своих goods (which is repeatedly resorted to in the world), but the store is full of money. Let them be useful. The "stupid" USSR, by the way, also did this, securing a sales market for itself, only the narrow-minded think that money was distributed to the same Africa "for thanks" - look at the geography and composition of exports in any reference book of foreign trade of the USSR.

[Vadim237]

The "stupid" USSR, by the way, also did this, providing itself with a sales market, only the narrow-minded think that money was distributed to the same Africa "for thanks." Because of this, it went bankrupt in the 80s. and later collapsed - leaving debtors to Russia with 147 billion dollars, which they did not bury and did not even intend to give.

[Foul skeptic]

Because of this, he went bankrupt in the 80s. and subsequently fell apart

The USSR did not provide its debt obligations to creditors in the 80s? What nonsense. I think you wanted to say about the budget deficit. So his reason is not lending to other countries to buy their goods. This time. And he eliminated easily without even cutting budget expenditures on social programs and the military-industrial complex - by administration. These are two. And just because of the administration, the Union fell apart. And in order to ensure a surplus, it was enough to do 2 things: cancel the anti-alcohol company in 1985 (its introduction can still be justifiably justified by social reasons) and not allow enterprises, starting from 1986-87, to retain profit and conduct free foreign economic activity (and this is a direct unforgivable sabotage). All. The budget deficit began in 1985 - 13,9 billion rubles. Lack of money only from the consequences of the anti-alcohol company in 1985 - 60 billion rubles. These two measures would leave the USSR public debt at 5% of GNP, as was the case in 1984. From this do not fall apart.

leaving debtors, Russia with 147 billion dollars, which they didn’t panic and did not even intend to give

They told you this about not planned? It’s convenient to decide for others, because history has no subjunctive mood. Not the USSR in 1997 joined the Paris Club and, subject to its charter, attributed debts.

[Vadim237]

Russia owed it to the Paris Club - funds borrowed from it in the 90s - The planned economy in the form that it was in the USSR brought little money, even 89 trillion rubles in GDP for 2,9 years, and only 54 billion dollars in export - 60 billion rubles from anti-alcohol company for the year - judging by these figures in the USSR, every inhabitant was a 80% alcoholic, you didn’t mess up anything - the Soviet economic crisis began earlier - in the early 70s when oil prices began to fall, since in the 200s the USSR completely got on a gas needle in mind that she would It was one of the few export goods that brought in the currency for which the USSR bought grain and foreign equipment and materials, prices fell by two for oil and hello - they wanted to replace oil with goods - but there were none, and those that were each year came from 500 thousand to XNUMX thousand complaints, then the leadership fixed a dilemma - either to raise prices or to reduce costs for the whole management did not agree with the other - then Gorbachev ran for foreign loans, but even they could not save the USSR from bankruptcy.

[Foul skeptic]

Russia owed to the Paris Club - funds borrowed from him in the 90s

Russia did not owe anything to the Paris Club, it owed to the members of this club, and it was just to take advantage of membership for debt restructuring, and it was decided to enter there. Forgetting that responsibilities also appear with rights. In general, we were either divorced, or ourselves — we lost much more from the entry than if we had not entered.

The planned economy in the form that it was in the USSR brought little money, even 89 trillion rubles of GDP for 2,9 years, and only 54 billion dollars of export

Again, for some reason you are comparing GDP and exports. I will show why it is not correct to do this. Moreover, the figures given are not clear to me - in the USSR they did not use the GDP indicator (they used GNP and GP) and exports were shown in rubles, not dollars. But I'm ready to operate with your data. Let's compare. Again, I use the official "Russia in Figures 2018" - GDP of 92037 billion rubles with exports of 357,8 billion dollars in 2017. Let's take a look at the ratio of these indicators? For 1989 - 54/2900 = 0,018, for 2017 - 357,8 / 92037 = 0,004. Then it turns out, quoting you, that the non-planned economy of 2017 brings Russia even less money than the planned one in 1989? You see, it is necessary to compare all the same comparable things, to which GDP and exports do not apply.

60 billion rubles from an anti-alcohol company per year - judging by these figures in the USSR, every resident was a XNUMX% alcoholic, you didn’t mess up anything

No, I haven’t messed up. For some reason, everyone thinks that the loss from an anti-alcohol company is just how much alcohol in the shops was undersold. The national economy is primarily industrial ties and chains. Where do you get the loss from having to use expensive alcohol from food raw materials where cheap technical alcohol is used? And when the volume of food production was reduced, it turned out that agriculture began to suffer losses, as it lost its free feeding for cattle in the form of burdha. And manufacturers of container glass, forgot about their losses, are the lines underloaded? And at the glass factory, the bottle glass, now not needed in such an amount, cannot be converted into a window with your fingers, you need to spend money on processing and removing iron from the glass so that it becomes window. And the fact that, together with wine grapes, 25% of the tablespoon went under the knife is a loss or not? And the fact that all the enterprises of the chain were secured to the balance of social facilities for which it is necessary to allocate funds, regardless of whether your production is loaded or idle without making a profit? The same goes for the salaries of workers. And there are dozens of such relationships. And if you look one-sidedly, then yes, the loss of the retail chain in the sale of alcohol products is 22,2 billion. The remaining almost 40 are such distortions in the production chains.

The USSR completely sat on a gas igloo in view of the fact that it was one of the few export goods that brought the currency, for which the USSR bought grain and foreign equipment and materials, prices fell by two for oil and hello

Import exceeded exports only in 1989, until this year we had enough currency from exports to purchase the necessary goods. And why did this happen I wrote

allowed enterprises, starting from 1986-87, to retain profit and conduct free foreign economic activity

And the USSR did not depend on oil exports as it is fashionable to argue now. The share in the budget revenues in 1985 was 7%, in 1988 it was 4,5%. In 2013, this figure was 47%, in 2016 - 36%. With external debt before the crisis, in the first case, three times (roughly) less than export earnings, and with external debt before the crisis in the second case, 1,5 times larger than export earnings. The Middle East, Central America and North Africa after 1986, with a budget from 75 (Saudi Arabia) to 99% (Nigeria), the fins were not glued, but the USSR was glued. I believe it was. Yes, and about the grain is already sore. Again a simple comparison:
USSR 1988 - 211,4 million tons (gross harvest) - 1,775 million tons (export) per 286,7 million people = 730 kg of grain per person
Russia 2017 - 135,4 million tons (gross) - 33,026 million tons (export) per 146,9 million people =
697 kg of grain per person
The fact that the USSR imported 30,385 million tons was not from hunger, but now we are not starving, having at our disposal less grain per capita. Banal food security, the norm of which is 1 ton per person of grain per year. Plus, the needs of animal husbandry, which can be offset by the transition from cattle to poultry, which Russia did.

[LON]

Quote: Vadim237

we have few markets for the products of mechanical engineering of instrument making and other things

Therefore, it is not enough that you do not make competitive products. “Now high-tech exports from Russia amount to approximately $ 6 billion 600 million. This is half the amount of high-tech exports from Poland or India or Hungary. This is about 4 times less than the Philippines, 9 times less than Malaysia. " https://news.rambler.ru/other/39949047/?utm_content=rnews&utm_medium=read_more&utm_source=copylink

[ism_ek]

Quote: Boris55

With our wealth and then there is no money?

In the 90s they plundered the country. All wealth is now private. It is not easy to collect everything back, to make private traders pay taxes in conditions when all power is saturated with corruption. And there are results. Tax collection is growing. If in the 90s crooks stole "oil companies" from the state, now an apartment is in Moscow. And this is bad, but the scale of theft has changed. The difference between rich and poor has decreased significantly.

[ism_ek]

not to mention the notorious Zakharchenko, confiscating property worth billions of rubles

When Putin came to power, it was impossible to simply take and stop withdrawing money abroad. Everyone in the ruling elite was doing this, and as the saying goes, if you can’t stop the process, head it. This was entrusted to such figures as Zakharchenko, Frolov, Chekalin, etc. They did their job, and now they are being cleaned ..
And from your link you can clearly see that the share of super-rich in the Russian Federation over the past ten years has been steadily declining. And it is clear that she did not grow up to heaven under Putin.

[AnderS]

And it is clear that she did not grow up to heaven under Putin.

Seriously? Not under Putin? And with whom? The peak falls on 2005-2008 ... Putin has been in power for the past 20 years ...
And here is a link to Forbes data https://yakapitalist.ru/finansy/v-rossii-dollarovykh-milliarderov/

Is it steadily declining? The graph shows a decrease only as a result of the 2008 crisis and the sanctions imposed in 2014. After 2008 and 2014, growth resumed when all this gang more or less adapted to the new conditions of the game

[Foul skeptic]

The funniest thing in this picture is where they got the numbers from 1920-1990)))

[Vadim237]

Say thank you to the Soviet government for which in the 70s it jumped to oil - but for everything else it essentially scored in the late 80s, the money ran out and fell apart, and even if by some miracle the USSR hadn’t broken up in the 90s, fate was waiting for it - what Russia had in the 90s, one at a time and at the present time, the USSR would become a fully market economy with all the consequences.

[Foul skeptic]

Soviet authorities say thanks for this

And why say that? And then some kind of understatement

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Maybe someone does not have enough brains, how to dispose of 20% of the world's natural reserves of the Earth?

Or maybe you will try? You have a lot of brains as I look.

Take the farm for rent or forest - get rich.

The language to grind all the experts, who would only have worked differently and provided you.

[Svarog]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Or maybe you will try? You have a lot of brains as I look.

You should check your head.

For you this is apparently difficult, I will help.

About the same way, our government is talking with the people. Everyone knows best, they know how .. But in fact, a complete zero .. multiplied by zero. And the result of their activities is appropriate. There is no need to protect them, if they really were in their places, there would not be so many questions for them .. And if in a style like you harnessing power, then this is unlikely to add understanding.

[AU Ivanov.]

Yes you! They need everything on a silver platter. Yes, so that Uncle wiped a good ass.

[Beringovsky]

Yeah, that’s the State Duma’s deputies, together with the government, are extracting money for the country through excessive labor from galleys. Yes. And then they give out blood earned to the people.
So considers AS Ivanov.
Pysy. When it is necessary to strip with taxes and requisitions, our government is right there. And with a saucer and with a border and with a baton

[AU Ivanov.]

Tear off taxes! And do they all pay? 50-60 percent of the strength. Therefore, they will rip off - there are too many fans to avoid payment, is not it? Business hides profits, self-employed hides profits. Therefore, we go to the oil and gas - they are taxed, duties and excise taxes on the most I do not want. Will we be surprised by the rise in gas prices?
PySy: I, as IPeshnik, am not taxed at all, I pay a quite sane amount.

[Gardamir]

lovers of tax evasion

You contradict yourself at every step. Either he raised the country, just a genius of the economy, then he cannot collect taxes. Try not to pay for the apartment for six months, immediately turn off the light and water. You will be left without tyrnet and toilet. And then taxes do not know how to collect.

[AU Ivanov.]

Too soft, with such a toothless tax law. And, apparently, the achievements of the economy, he managed with so many defaulters, it’s good to manage the country. And, I ask you, do not confuse tax deductions and utility bills. You won’t be able to pay for a communal apartment, just like flying in an airplane without a ticket. But not paying taxes is easy.

[Gardamir]

[quoteMyagkovat] [/ quote] Well, yes "please treat with understanding."

And, I ask you, do not confuse tax deductions and utility bills.

No difference, you need to ask not only from citizens. but also from friends. Moreover, he canceled 13% of entrepreneurs, as soon as he became president.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

With our wealth and then there is no money? Maybe someone does not have enough brains, how to dispose of 20% of the world's natural reserves of the Earth?

You do not consider our wealth in the land, but those that you have mined and sold, and then divide by the number of Russian citizens.

For you this is apparently difficult, I will help.

Russia's export of oil and gas is 40% of our export in dollars by about 200 billion a year in revenue.

Now divide 200 billion by 146 million people living in Russia = 1370 dollars per year per Russian resident !!!

In a month it is 120 dollars of REVENUE, but not net profit.

Subtract the costs of mining and transportation and what remains?

50 dollars per nose, per month !!!

Well, can Russia live only with this money?

No!!! Need to work.

To live in Germany and the USA, you need to work like that, make the same machines, electronics, sew the same high-quality clothes and make the same quality all the rest of the products, and this does not depend on the authorities, but on the people who produce all this.

[Beringovsky]

What nonsense ...
Well then, explain why, after the price of oil and the ruble, it sank twice against the dollar? If so everything is benevolent and the income from it is insignificant? Can you? I think no.
And yes, how much blood is there in the body? Five liters? What do you think, if you lose 20%, what kind of liter is there, what will happen to the person? Will he be able to run, jump or lay down?
This liter is the value of oil and gas for today's Russian economy.
There will be oil at $ 20 tomorrow and we will again be in the 90s, if not worse.

it just does not depend on the authorities, but on the people who produce all this

It depends on the power. From laws, financial and tax policies, etc.
In order to produce something, you need cheap loans and loans, possibly tax benefits, up to release for a while.
We need a system of vocational education and reorientation, retraining, if necessary. Government efforts are needed in key areas - or are you offering me a chip factory to build for $ 15 billion?
Or can I build a machine tool plant?
Do not fool the primitive, we are not in kindergarten.
And those who have money for this - our oligarchs - have long been in the business, sucking out loot from the bowels and they don’t need anything else. They ... for everything, even the flood after them.

[Vadim237]

"There will be oil tomorrow at $ 20 and we will be back in the 90s, if not worse." Don't worry, we won't find ourselves - the country has gold and foreign exchange reserves of 520 billion and a national welfare fund under 10 trillion rubles - in the 90s almost nothing worked: the nuclear industry almost died, there was essentially no agriculture, the entire military-industrial complex was completely bankrupt, the chemical and metallurgical industries were on its last legs, civil shipbuilding was a corpse, and much in the same spirit - now all this is living a vibrant life, produces, builds and earns money, and not small ones.

[Beringovsky]

Do not worry, we will not find ourselves - the country has gold and foreign exchange reserves of 520 billion and a national welfare fund under 10 trillion rubles

So what?!....
In the summer of 2014, gold and foreign exchange reserves were also about 500 billion. And how did this help prevent the collapse of the ruble by half, following the fall in oil prices?
Could you tell?
And we can print at least 100 trillion rubles in the NWF, but what's the point.

[Vadim237]

We had expenses - no one was going to refuse them, and they lowered the ruble to compensate for losses from falling oil prices, and even in the process, they made our goods abroad cheaper, which means they are competitive in the price segment and we have imported goods dear, import substitution has run down - so they did it right that the ruble collapsed.

[rocket757]

Speaking of elite performance criteria on which the future of Russia depends,

maybe it’s too late to talk about these ...

[novel66]

necessary! ! Victor It is high time!!!

[rocket757]

Well, it’s not in vain that the "gold guard" was raised like that .... it’s bzh-w-f not casual!

[Van 16]

Well, not completely wasted, of course, but it’s for sure that this time could and should have been used with much greater efficiency.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Well, not completely wasted, of course, but it’s for sure that this time could and should have been used with much greater efficiency.

For example?

[Van 16]

For example, create 25 million high-tech jobs, as promised.

[Vsevolod Sidorov]

So right in 1999, with a wage of $ 70, stagnation began? In my opinion, it began in 2004, when instead of depreciating the ruble from 30 to 33, it was raised to 28.

[Beringovsky]

So right in 1999, with a wage of $ 70, stagnation began? In my opinion, it began in 2004, when instead of depreciating the ruble from 30 to 33, it was raised to 28

In something you are right. I will say more, since 2006 in the country, including and in the regions there was a real boom in construction. If it continued at such a pace for 10-12 years, Russia would now look cooler than Germany.
Only now this boom has covered itself, you know what.
And on the other hand, all this time, hidden degradation and the collapse of the remnants of industry and science continued.
To get a lot of dough from the sale of oil and gas and eat them, this is not development.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Do not smack nonsense !!!

In construction, not a boom began, but the construction itself began in the mid-2000s, almost nothing was built in the 90s and the beginning of the 2000s.

They began to give a mortgage - that is, demand jumped and prices at times.

And now they are building even more.

To live in Germany, you need to work in Germany, there alone Volkswagen makes 10 million cars a year !!! And they build houses there much better and more accurately, with all the infrastructure, and we have developers whoops, park wherever you want, the school kindergarten as you want, in new buildings, tile from the floor flies off a year later, mounting foam sticks out, roofs flow.

[Vadim237]

Now 82 million square meters of housing are being built in Russia annually.

[igorbrsv]

. The past 20 years have been wasted for the Russian economy - expert opinion

Not like the previous ten
Those were the most "productive" ones. Not true for everyone

[edeligor]

in our country is an anachronism of the economic and social system

And now, attention, the question is - which states and with what system did the LEVER on their own? The answer on the surface is the USSR in the 30s and 50s of the XNUMXth century. No matter how much the "new historians" would criticize and spit on those times. One can cite the "eastern tigers" as an example, but where would they be without the withdrawal of the US industry ...
The path of our ruling elite at present - with pension reform, pushing 4 days at an hourly rate, the tax press on the poorest - the path to a forceful change of elites.

[AU Ivanov.]

And now the question is: at what cost and at whose expense did this industrial breakthrough take place in the 30s and 50s?

[edeligor]

Question to question, in Hebrew. And what about Russia and the former USSR during the transition to dermocracy lost and is losing less ?! Or did you live at 30 and 50? The fact that you are now being pushed into your heads about those years is not at all a fact.

[AU Ivanov.]

I didn’t live in these years, my relatives lived. Communal apartments, barracks. Money for which you can’t buy anything. Lack of elementary for sale.

[edeligor]

And mine too, imagine. And they said that such friendship, mutual assistance and unity for the good of their country have never been!

[AU Ivanov.]

And what's so good about that? General poverty, unity on an empty stomach.

[Igoresha]

Hedgehog it is clear that the Americans of the USSR "pumped" in the 30s. in the 50s - at the expense of the industrial base supplied by lend-lease and exported from Germany.
Of course, then there was political will, but to the current ruling class in the Russian Federation, to a light bulb on industry, here’s a pipe and a forest to cut it, yes, it can

[edeligor]

Quote: Igoresha

the Americans of the USSR "pumped" in the 30s. in the 50s

Please explain.

[Igoresha]

built factories, every one of them large. Without the USA, cranes in the 41st.

[edeligor]

Quote: Igoresha

Without the USA, cranes in the 41st.

Sorry, but your knowledge of history is, to say the least, depressing. Google when the land lease began and what percentage of assistance was and how much the USSR paid for it.

Quote: Igoresha

built factories, every single one large

??? if before the war, then Germany invested more in the USSR than the states. So that.

[Igoresha]

??? if before the war, then Germany invested more in the USSR than the states

this cannot be. Germany did not build industrial giants, they are so small things.
Stalingrad tractor - writes Wikipedia "Sthe plant, armed in the USA, was dismantled, transported to the USSR and assembled under supervision in 6 months ... " not

And it was impossible to do without these percentages of land-lease, steam locomotives were built piece by piece in 41-45 in the USSR, the rest brought + 20 thousand machines + sowing seeds ...... the more you read about land-lease, the more you are convinced that it was impossible to do.

[edeligor]

Everything is very controversial, it’s difficult to find ends, it’s secret ... Lend Lease ... it's just wonderful, no doubt helped. It's a shame that it was not right away, they were waiting ... deliveries began from November 41, and the project itself was originally for the UK. American stew and cars are great, but for some reason no one remembers how this equipment was handed over after the war and how much gold was pumped to the USA. And about not to do ... it would be difficult, I agree.

[Vadim237]

By the way, the USSR in the 45 after the war ended, exported 69000 tons of industrial equipment from Germany.

[Vadim237]

Everyone does not like the facts - but it was in fact.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Vadim237

By the way, the USSR in the 45 after the war ended, exported 69000 tons of industrial equipment from Germany.

The war with Germany destroyed much more industrial equipment than the USSR exported. I’m not writing about how many residential buildings they destroyed. In fact, the war threw the USSR back for at least a decade.

[Vadim237]

The USA helped with industrial equipment, especially with oil production.

[Mordvin 3]

You originally wrote for Germany. And what about the USA? For free, they did not help us, the USSR paid. In 90, I don’t remember which university, from the states, returned the copper bells that the USSR sold to them at the price of scrap metal.

[Vadim237]

And for Germany the same thing - but everything that was supplied by the USA allowed the USSR to save well on R&D and time for the production of its own equipment.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Vadim237

allowed the USSR to save well on R&D and time for the production of its own equipment.

And they made good money on it. I don’t know if the USSR gave the equipment back, but as for technology, there are whole deposits in the oceans.

To the right of the wheel is a gear, judging by the size, just from the equipment, it seems. There are no gears of this size in the car.

[Vadim237]

This is an hour not sunken transport with goods along the Lend Lease.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Vadim237

This is an hour not sunken transport with goods along the Lend Lease.

Land Liz - rental. All surviving equipment after the war was supposed to be given back. The Americans installed the press right in the ports, flattened the equipment, and then they just drowned it all. The ships were shot. Ours knew about this, so we did our best to bring Studebakers and Harley to the list of combat losses. Bastards. Not for myself, not for people.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Hedgehog it is clear that the Americans of the USSR "pumped" in the 30s. in the 50s - at the expense of the industrial base supplied by lend-lease and exported from Germany.

You should check your head.

Since the formation of the USSR, the United States, like the rest of the West, has exerted all kinds of pressure on the USSR, blocked our trade and did not want to develop it. They wanted to arrange a new Foreign intervention for us and tear us to shreds, as it almost happened in the 20s, Arkhangelsk under the British, Ukraine and Crimea under the Germans, the Far East under the USA and Japan.

The USSR paid for its factories in the 30s with grain, timber, gold and money, and this is how they industrialized, no one helped them.

Lend-lease is a minuscule and this is a military supply, also Britain received 3 times more goods for Lend-Lease for $ 30 billion !!! Well, where is their battle for Moscow, for Stalingrad, Kursk? Where are their major battles that influenced the war against fascism?

And now Russia is creating everything from cars to nuclear-powered icebreakers and aircraft. So at least to say that in Russia only the pipe interests everyone is simply silly.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: AU Ivanov.

I didn’t live in these years, my relatives lived. Communal apartments, barracks ....... about.

In the 30s, communal rooms and barracks for workers were a progress compared to a shift bed before the revolution. The development of industry required new residents in the cities. You don’t know about industry, what is it for? Already at 30, construction began on both residential buildings and hostels for visitors, as well as industrial and commercial ones.
What about the 50s? After the Second World War there was a restoration of the destroyed.

[Greenwood]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

I didn’t live in these years, my relatives lived. Communal apartments, barracks. Money for which you can’t buy anything. Lack of elementary for sale.

But my relatives warmly recall those times. The war, of course, had a great effect on life, but on the whole, they lived modestly, but in unison, and did not starve. In rural areas and small towns, everyone had their own households, so there were heaps of natural products. The streets were much safer. The people led a more active lifestyle. Communal apartments and barracks were a temporary phenomenon, mass housing construction programs were launched with all amenities.
And yes, in Europe at that time they didn’t eat at all either, in the States there was the Great Depression, and Asia worked for a glass of rice and a glass of water in the literal sense. Times were different, as were opportunities. Against the background of the rest of the world, the Stalinist USSR was by no means miserable.

[AU Ivanov.]

My relatives also remember with warmth. Because they were young then. I, too, about youth with warmth. About youth, but not about lifestyle.

[AU Ivanov.]

Don't you know the concept of "changing a coat"? And "to make a suit"? Not to buy - but to celebrate, it was an event. Not because of a good life, they altered and turned clothes inside out. Until now, the older generation keeps deposits of unnecessary things - these are echoes of the time when things were not bought, but mined. Caviar with smoked sausage, by the way, was bitten then and was not sold everywhere in the country.

[Foul skeptic]

It would be wonderful for a person if such an attitude to things was now.

[Gardamir]

elementary.

And now what is present

[AU Ivanov.]

Then such technologies did not exist. And all over the world. There were no GMOs or E-supplements. Therefore, the whole globe, including the USSR, ate a natural product. And, unexpectedly, there were no harmful emissions from cellular base stations.

[Beringovsky]

at whose expense did this industrial breakthrough take place in the 30s and 50s?

What a stupid question ?!
It was necessary not to build Magnitogorsk and Dneproges, not to open Universities and schools, not to train millions of workers, technicians and engineers? It was necessary to leave them in the village with a horse and a plow, if only they would be picked there ...
Or ask the bourgeoisie for some money? Yeah, so they would give ...

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: Beringovsky

It was necessary not to build Magnitogorsk and Dneproges

But why? It is necessary. Only, I just think that before that there was no need to make a coup, as a result of which a civil war began, which, then, turned into ruin, "thanks to the" mediocre government of the "cooks" And all this threw Russia back 30 years ago. Of course, then all this had to be built and overtaken, sacrificing people's lives and health.

[nov_tech.vrn]

The coup d'etat was staged not by cooks, but by such educated gentlemen as Milyukov and Co., the liberals came to power, then they let it all out and blabbed out, and the Bolsheviks simply took the fallen power, because they were the only organized force, but the "cooks" are in power, this is such a propaganda trick, at first, the communists used it, giving it a positive meaning, now you, giving it a negative one. Yes, and the civil war was not started by the Bolsheviks, there is no need to distort the facts, this issue has been raised more than once, including in the VO,

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: nov_tech.vrn

the Bolsheviks simply took the fallen power

Leave these cliches, the government did not fall anywhere, the Bolsheviks took it with weapons in their hands from the legitimately elected authorities, because they realized that they would not see the majority in the Duma.

Quote: nov_tech.vrn

And the Bolsheviks did not start a civil war.

certainly not them, it began as a response to the seizure of power by the Bolsheviks.

[Gardamir]

she was taken with a weapon in her hands from a legally elected government,

In power now those who were taken with weapons in their hands from the legally elected Supreme Council.

[AU Ivanov.]

The authorities now have the same commies as before. This is the trouble of our country.

[Gardamir]

the same commies

[nov_tech.vrn]

Pedro, now you finally admitted that the Bolsheviks did not start a civil war, that progress is already.

[Beringovsky]

I think that before that there was no need to make a coup, as a result of which a civil war began, which, then, turned into ruin, "thanks to" the mediocre government of the "cooks"

But did you have to leave the Tsar-Ampirator and the whole system, thanks to which Russia was backward? And dream how this system will remake itself Yes?
"Cooks", as you call them, opened schools, colleges, universities and various research institutes in droves. "Cooks" well understood how to pull the country out of backwardness, in contrast to. Education, science, culture + discipline, this is a recipe known to cooks, but unknown to the great and not so princes.

And all this threw Russia back 30 years ago.

What 30, why fantasize.
The Tsar was going to send Gagarin into space in 1931? !!
Well, write then 300 years, why regret their adversaries

[AU Ivanov.]

Maybe you shouldn't attribute the achievements of technical progress to the "cooks"?
"Outside the window, the blizzard has subsided, two rooks have arrived
This is the personal merit of Leonid Ilyich. "

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: Beringovsky

The Tsar was going to send Gagarin into space in 1931? !!

Gagarin flew in 1931 ???? oh you, but people don’t know Still believe that the 61st

[Beringovsky]

this is according to your calculation method

Pedrodepackes
there was no need to make a coup ...
it threw Russia back 30 years ago

1961 - 30 = 1931 math, have you heard?
but in general, I suggested that you write "dropped by 300 years", so much worse

[Foul skeptic]

Or ask the bourgeoisie for some money? Yeah, so they would give ...

They asked and took money from the bourgeoisie, and there should be nothing shameful in this. The USSR was always a good payer and other countries gave money on credit without fear.

[Vadim237]

Due to what - probably due to the abolition of the NEP, dispossession, the use of labor of prisoners, most of the bread and other agricultural crops were sold abroad, they received convertible currency and bought foreign equipment with this money and hired foreign specialists, and they spent five years on industrialization.

[Vadim237]

Look how no one taught history here either.

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: edeligor

One can also cite the "eastern tigers" as an example, but where would they be without the withdrawal of the US industry ...

and in the 50s we would have been where, when this breakthrough was carried out at the expense of technologies and machines obtained under Lend-Lease and exported from the territory of defeated Germany, as soon as all this was worn out and outdated, so stagnation began. And in the 30s, the breakthrough was all based on the sale of the state's gold reserves and siphoned off from the people with the help of the Torgsin network and the purchase of technologies (often outdated) with this money, equipment and specialists and advisers from the USA and Germany.

[AU Ivanov.]

Plus compulsory loans from the population. Plus the robbery of landowners. Plus scanty financing of the social sphere.

[Gardamir]

A plus . A plus . A plus

How clever you are, but what about the present. minus retirement age, minus one working day per week ...

[AU Ivanov.]

Suppose, in those years, the collective farmers did not have a pension from the word "in general." And the working week, like the working day, was not limited. And payment in kind for workdays, and often with chopsticks.

[Gardamir]

Put

I agree, let him lie down, saying that there were no pensions, you forget that current pensions are a heavy legacy of a totalitarian past. But in the bright democratic future there will be no pensions again.
What about workdays? not the fact that workdays are worse than a salary of rubles.

[Beringovsky]

Let us assume that under the Tsar the emirator pension for peasants did not exist either. Serfdom existed with Saltychikha.
And whipping with hard labor for those who disagree.

[nov_tech.vrn]

Yes Pedro your economic information is limitless, repatriation was not covered, and 10% of the economic damage from destruction as a result of aggression of carriers of European values, moreover, Romania, Hungary Italy and Finland were exempted from indemnities.

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: nov_tech.vrn

repatriation

well, I see you are also a huge specialist in international relations what does the return of citizens to their homeland? And if you mean reparations, then having received the technologies and means of production of the USSR from reparations and achieved such high rates of economic recovery, do not forget about the supply of technologies and means of production from the Allies.

[nov_tech.vrn]

Yes, you need to be more careful when entering from the keyboard, I accept

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: nov_tech.vrn

Yes, you need to be more careful when entering from the keyboard

Uh-huh, especially when you enter punctuation marks in sentences, otherwise "you can't be pardoned" it turns out keyboard, she is such a keyboard

[nov_tech.vrn]

Technologies and machine tools were acquired in Germany before the war, in the 30s in the USA, when the USSR took advantage of the global economic crisis and was able to overcome the economic blockade then, by the way, not only industrial giants, such as the Staligrad Tractor and Gorky Automobile Plants, but also say industrial lines were acquired for the production of sausages.
By the way, for that matter, let’s take a look at how Japanese industry was born. Well, and in terms of total volume exported from Germany only partially compensated for the destruction in the USSR

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: nov_tech.vrn

Well, in terms of total volume exported from Germany only partially compensated for the destruction in the USSR

nevertheless, the breakthroughs of the USSR in industrial development, as rightly pointed out edeligor were committed in the 30s and 50s and I already wrote you why.

Quote: nov_tech.vrn

By the way, for that matter, let's take a look at how Japanese industry was born.

but there is nothing wrong with that, the question is, how did it develop further and why did the USSR not experience such a "miracle"?

[nov_tech.vrn]

The USSR’s jerks in industrial development occurred because all existing human, financial and industrial resources were mobilized. There was a term ahead of the development of the means of production. By the way, further in the USSR, very high rates of development were maintained, even the so-called crisis of the early 80s, nothing more than an imbalance in the clumsy mechanism of the State Planning Commission and the growth of the purchasing power of the population.

[pofigist_26_eng]

Looked at this "creation", where the "expert" does not understand the basics, turned it off. But seriously, in the current climatic conditions of the planet, we will always lag behind "progressive" humanity in most industries, because we need to spend more resources to maintain just life than in the "West". Let's not forget the length of our country, which forces us to build very long transport routes than in any other country in the world. Add to this the need to have a very large army for the banal "territory control", it also needs to be constantly updated and maintained, which imposes certain restrictions on the development of other industries. This also includes an overly inflated administrative, legislative and judicial apparatus that eats up an already meager budget. I’m already silent about corruption and budget “drank”, coupled with the reluctance of the overwhelming majority of our fellow citizens to “work for the country” and change something.

[New Year day]

Quote: pofigist_26_rus

in the current climatic conditions of the planet, we will always lag

Like Swedes and Norwegians, or Finns?

[pofigist_26_eng]

compare http://svspb.net/sverige/klimat.php, do not forget to add the population, size of the territory, size of land borders, accessibility of transport routes here

[iConst]

Quote: Silvestr

Like Swedes and Norwegians, or Finns?

Their average temperature in winter is quite comfortable due to the Gulf Stream. In Murmansk, where it "ends", for a second, the non-freezing water area of ​​the port.
But for most of Russia, stable -40 in winter is the norm.

[New Year day]

Quote: iConst

But for most of Russia, stable -40 in winter is the norm.

persuaded! Take Canada for comparison

[iConst]

Quote: Silvestr

Take Canada for comparison

AND? See Canada population density. Most of the population% lives below the 50th parallel. 70 percent on a small piece in the southeast of the country. Close to the US border. Above the 50th Canada EMPTY!

And with us the 50th is exactly along the southern borders - Kazakhstan, Mongolia. Only one appendix below the 50th - there in the Krasnodar Territory.

[Svarog]

Quote: pofigist_26_rus

but in the current climatic conditions of the planet, we will always lag behind the "progressive" humanity in most industries, because we need to spend more resources to maintain just life than in the "West".

We lag behind progressive humanity, not because of the climatic, but because of the lack of leadership, sloppiness, irresponsibility, nepotism, and corruption.

[AU Ivanov.]

That is, due to the communist heritage. And the same mentality.

[Beringovsky]

You, at a pioneer meeting, were taught to steal, right?
A heavy legacy, you say?
That is, in the current capitalist paradise there is no passage from the police, chop, guards, etc.
Yes, in the USSR there was no such thousandth of corruption as there is now. Now they manage to steal on every piece of asphalt, on every tile and head of cabbage. Yes, so brazenly that he just takes the hell.

[rocket757]

Quote: pofigist_26_rus

because we need to spend more resources to maintain just life than in the "West".

Yes, yes, in the Scandinavian countries everywhere it is .... like in California, perhaps? Of course, they have a "warm current" at their side, but not so that it warms everyone very much.
We have a lot of extreme sports, the country is big, everything is different, but this is not a 100% justification for why we have so much ... where it’s not effective enough, they even steal without measure!
Elite comprador! for the most part !!! and try to refute it now, when most know how much they have dragged over the hill and are not going to stop.

[iConst]

Quote: rocket757

They certainly have a "warm current" at their side, but not so that it warms everyone very much.

Why in quotes? The Gulf Stream is the main "forge" of a mild climate in Northern and Central Europe and in the Scandinavian software. Turn it off - the British Isles and the listed regions will be worse than Siberia. Will freeze like cockroaches.

[rocket757]

Quote: iConst

The Gulf Stream is the main "forge" of mild climate in Northern and Central Europe and at the Scandinavian software

This is true, the sea does not freeze there, although the latitudes are closer to the Arctic than in our half of the territory ... all the same, the cold weather invades Scandinavia and they are used to it.
By the way, if something serious happens to the Gulf Stream, it will be a catastrophe on a scale of almost universal scale!

[iConst]

Quote: rocket757

if something serious happens to the Gulf Stream, it will be a catastrophe on the scale of an almost universal scale!

You are absolutely right!
Now scientists are closely watching El Nino. The Gulf Stream is from there.

[Keyser soze]

then in the current climatic conditions of the planet we will always lag behind the "progressive" humanity in most industries,

By the way, precisely in Scandinavia, socialism managed to win.

[rocket757]

Quote: Keyser Soze

then in the current climatic conditions of the planet we will always lag behind the "progressive" humanity in most industries,

By the way, precisely in Scandinavia, socialism managed to win.

Capitalism with a human face or Scandinavian socialism?!?! They have an interesting society, but a peculiar one. It is unlikely that there is such a "polar fairy tale", however, live.

[Keyser soze]

Capitalism with a human face or Scandinavian socialism?!?!

Very close to socialism. Well, very straightforward - protecting workers at the highest level. As in Greece and France, by the way. Medicine is accessible to everyone, education is the best in the world, state control in important areas (selling oil, alcohol), high salaries - why not socialism?

[rocket757]

Against the background of others, they look not bad, but as always there is a BUT! Nobody "chewed" them from all sides, however, they did not climb anywhere too .... this is a plus! BUT, nothing can last forever. Resources are "eaten up", and the vital activity of any state, society must be replenished with something.
As always, the only true criterion is time.
We wish them good luck, and then we'll see.

[Vadim237]

Russia does not need to be compared with Scandinavia - the mentality is completely different.

[Nikolaevich I]

The last 20 years have been wasted for the Russian economy - expert opinion It's hard to disagree with this! And it would be even worse if not for the notorious "sanctions"! Back in the late 90s, not indifferent experts "raised a wave" about Russia's rapid loss of economic self-sufficiency and sovereignty ... But the ruling liberal regime "did not react"! In general, experts have already promised all the problems that exist nowadays ... The situation in Russia somehow began to change according to the principle: "until a roasted rooster in # oopy bites ..." So he "bites"! Even the transformations in the armed forces began "thanks to the" roasted rooster "... (for example, 08.08.08)! The current political and economic formation existing in the country can be characterized by the already known" term "... STANDBY! While maintaining the existing formation in the country, even if a certain positive is "observed", it will only be sluggish! I think that "evolution" will not save us ... "revolutionary" transformations are already ripe! Namely, "revolutionary" changes in the formation can save Russia ...

[Victor Orthodox]

So it is so, only all revolutions, without exception, ended in a loss of the welfare of ordinary citizens.
You did not think that beyond the hill only they are waiting for this revolution and unrest. While they will share power, they will launch the process of destruction, launching a war from Ukraine, the Baltic states, and ISIS from Afghanistan.
China is not just building a defense line on the border with Afghanistan.

[New Year day]

Quote: Victor Orthodox

only all revolutions, without exception, ended in the loss of well-being of ordinary citizens

want to say that GDP is revolutionizing?

[amax]

Don't confuse a mild decline in wealth and a collapse. To exaggerate - the situation "today I will eat one less sandwich" or the situation "where to get at least some food at all, and even so that other starving people would not take what they found." Not a single revolution in history has improved the well-being of the bulk of the population (we do not take the leaders of the revolution - they always ascended to Olympus, radically improving their access to power and resources), at best in a generation or two. And even after five generations, if the revolution followed a false leader or was generally unsuccessful.

[Victor Orthodox]

GDP in the course is generally small, which decides.
I recently studied the functions of the president, duties. In general, the President in Russia has little power, his functions are advisory, he cannot even cancel the laws that the Duma adopts, he can send it for revision and that’s all. He can write messages, determine the direction of development, remove some officials. All. You can put on all his messages and there will be nothing for it. Presidential functions to conduct foreign policy and command the army.

[Nikolaevich I]

Yes, revolution is a "double-edged" thing! "Revolution" do-walk on the edge of a knife! But what remains if the ruling regime is in no hurry to "evolve"? You will argue that changes in the "political and economic formation" are not needed? I believe that they are essential! The authorities had time to carry out this in an "evolutionary" way, but they did not use this opportunity! Is the revolution dangerous for Russia? May be ! But revolutions often do not occur at the will of "sensible" forces! Revolutions can occur spontaneously, but there are always forces that are trying to lead the revolution ... and "some" succeeds ... This is what the consequences of the revolution depend on! "The people make the revolution, but its fruits are often used by villains and swindlers ..."! It is highly undesirable if Sharashka Navalny, Sobol, Sobchak and their "supporters" take advantage of the "fruits"! Revolutions are made, as a rule, "from the bottom" ... but, sometimes, it happens that "from the top." The regime still has a chance out of a "thousand" to make a "revolution" from the top!

[amax]

And why is this revolution of yours needed at all? Perhaps I’ll say a blasphemous thing now, especially in view of the presence here of the habitat of radical communists and liberals just as radical, up to bruising, for the most part, everything suits me in the country. I don’t travel to Mercia and I don’t fly to the Maldives every month, but my income and its predictability are completely fine with me. The state does not creep into me, I do not creep into the state - we both go about our own business, I hope for the good of each other. The cries of the communists “Down with the oligarchs, they are stealing (let our leaders to power, they know how)” absolutely do not touch me. Instead of screaming, it would be better to do some sort of business. You look and would have built something to be proud of, and not just nostalgic for its former greatness. The cries of the liberals “Down with power, they are strangling FREEDOM (sic!), They are preventing us from selling and reselling (let our leaders to power, they know how)” they also do not touch me. The current rights and freedoms are more than enough for a hassle-free life and the extra rights of traders will in no way improve the situation, because the merchant is not equal to the builder. Thus, the recipe is the same as for the Communists - go better to build something, do creative work. It’s time to renew the White Sea Canal. So yes, the current swamp with systematic attempts to bring this swamp to a luxury class completely suits me. Moreover, in the event of a revolution, no matter what political flank it comes from, I will also go out to the square, but do not hold a rally and “take a train station, post office and telegraph”, but ask the army for weapons in order to shoot the troublemakers who threaten my way of life .

[Saul_Rhen]

A plus. Ready to subscribe to every word.

[Vadim237]

"The last 20 years have been wasted for the Russian economy - an expert's opinion It is difficult to disagree with this!" - That's for sure - it's hard to agree with the guys from another dimension who still live in 1999.

[Alex alex]

Where does the money come from, if Sechin has 4 lama a day to pay.

[Vadim237]

And you probably envy - that you do not get paid so much.

[Sayan]

Yes, of course, we lagged behind all progressive mankind - we don’t slaughter our asses, we don’t spend gay, we don’t want to eat humanity and the worst thing is that we wash every toilet behind us, unlike the forward-looking British, who don’t wash everything in the morning) ))) We are stagnant, savages-s)))

[Geo]

And the decade preceding these 20 years has passed for the economy, how?

[archiroll]

20 years have not been wasted. Accustomed to capitalism. A business has formed. Stability was needed. But now we need to move on.

[exo]

Given even the lag of the USSR, from the West, in many areas, the lag of today by 20 years sounds overly optimistic. If someone was lucky to visit Japan, he will understand: they are already in another century, they live.

[Svarog]

Quote: exo

If someone was lucky to visit Japan, he will understand: they are already in another century, they live.

What is there in Japan .. in China they live in another century ..

[nov_tech.vrn]

Before that, for 10 years, thanks to the efforts of such experts, industrial production in Russia fell by 15% per year, but second-hand rags and Bush's legs went in an endless stream in one direction across the border, and machines and equipment were cut into scrap metal in the other ...

[Stalnov I.P.]

The domestic policy of the country, in particular the economy, personnel, ideology, has completely failed. The role of personality in history, until no one has canceled, could the GDP create a socially just state, MTF, even had to do, did not. To solve these problems, you need an analytical mind, political will, strategic thinking and planning, non-standard solutions, iron discipline in the first place for civil servants from the very top, the slogan should be ALL FOR THE PEOPLE, and not for a handful of people close to the body with low social responsibility. If these problems are not resolved as soon as possible, there will be no jerks, there will be no happy future and all the blame lies on the shoulders of the first person of the state. You already up there thrashed so many stupid, mediocre reforms that the question arises: PEOPLE TIRED TO WAIT and how the sailor Zheleznyak can ask you for a way out.

[AICEMAN1988]

Quotation: I.P.

The domestic policy of the country, in particular the economy, personnel, ideology, has completely failed. The role of personality in history, until no one has canceled, could the GDP create a socially just state, MTF, even had to do, did not. To solve these problems, you need an analytical mind, political will, strategic thinking and planning, non-standard solutions, iron discipline in the first place for civil servants from the very top, the slogan should be ALL FOR THE PEOPLE, and not for a handful of people close to the body with low social responsibility. If these problems are not resolved as soon as possible, there will be no jerks, there will be no happy future and all the blame lies on the shoulders of the first person of the state. You already up there thrashed so many stupid, mediocre reforms that the question arises: PEOPLE TIRED TO WAIT and how the sailor Zheleznyak can ask you for a way out.

And why did you decide that someone needs some jerks there ??? ENRICHMENT - that's what ALL is subject to !!! The people in this country have only the right to die, preferably quietly and until they retire to the applause of our chosen ones.

[Saul_Rhen]

Social justice and other slogans are good, but what the hell is ideology for?

[Corn]

Not a site, but a bunch of Ukrainian Russophobes.
You see, they don’t like the 20 years of the reign of Vladimir Vladimirovich, the Busoters have already gone crazy.

[Vadim237]

These guys were probably 90s great - the lads brought the lads. And in the 80s, manna from heaven was like that - at the tops of the CPSU they were rubbing and holding leading positions in enterprises and other structures - and here they became poor pensioners, without doom and without outside respect.

[TochkaY]

Who is richer - the USSR or Russia? Here is the answer to the pseudo-economists.
And also the question, what can be labor productivity without production? Yes, and competition too? And the rest of the material wealth for crying consumers?
That is why factories and factories, farms and agricultural holdings are now being built in emergency mode.
If you look at the ZAPEV. and Amer. from the point of view of industrial., it turns out that there is a bear breeder in each. Normal for our economists.?
Now there is such an industrialization, which was neither under Stalin, nor under Brezhnev, nor under Peter 1, and even the tenth there.
Evaluate when you take a mortgage and live at 40 in your apartment. Evaluate when you take the car not as your parents by appointment but in line. By the way, I took the battery by appointment. And he soldered the banks. (Who is in the know). Say you're starving to death? Well, if only with an iPhone in hand.
And so, we are all citizens of one country. And don’t fuck us.

[Vadim237]

The USSR consisted of 15 countries - it is better to compare Russia with the RSFSR.

[Gardamir]

with an iPhone in his hand.

Well, glory to those ... They rewrote a training manual, otherwise they got cars in the yards, now they will feed them with iPhones.
Moreover, under John Vasilievich, all of Russia went with iPhones 25mi. Say nonsense wrote? And you do not write nonsense, comparing the past century with the present

[AU Ivanov.]

That's right, in the last century they choked on the lines for sausage, now for iPhones. Cars? In the last century, they were a means of transportation. In most countries, in the USSR - inaccessible luxury.

[Gardamir]

[quote] [in the USSR - an inaccessible luxury. / quote] Better study the history of your native country. By the way, iPhones are not made in Russia, and cars are not just our "screwdrivers".

[AU Ivanov.]

I saw her with my own eyes, this story. Broken "Moskvich" for happiness. And yes, screwdrivers, and if not for Renault-Nissan, they would have produced buckets of bolts.

[Gardamir]

so would produce buckets with bolts

Faithful path, gentlemen!
Glory to Gorbachev, who turned the country from a totalitarian path!
Glory to Yeltsin, who led us on the path of democracy and prosperity!
Long live Putin loyal follower.

We achieved what we wanted. Sausage. iPhones, cars in the yards. Here it is the joy of consumption. But what about Conscience Justice Perfection Reason?

Here are the heroes of this time

[Vadim237]

The problems of the USSR were the planned economy - implying the support of numerous unprofitable industries afloat, the jump at the beginning of the 70s to the oil and gas needle as it gave currency, the constant support of half of the world for a great life and thank you, defense spending, which absorbed most of the engineers of materials and capacities, and also 20 or more percent of GDP - the leadership and generals thought about the experience of the Great Patriotic War - the more weapons the better, real exports amounted to $ 150 billion at the rate of $ 1 to 60 kopecks, in the 80s, exports generally fell to 54 billion, and this with the USSR GDP of about 3 trillion rubles, a third of the gold reserve was spent on the purchase of 9,5 million tons of grain in 1963. and at the same time, having several tens of millions of cows, meat was in short supply, and they began to chemize sausage from the 68th year. - most of the meat was exported, like everything else for picking out in front of foreigners, this is how good it is to live in the Socialist camp - everything is there, but the thunder struck later when in the 80s oil prices went down sharply, in the 79th the war in Afghanistan began, then it was added to it the disaster in Chernobyl and in the 85th every third loaf was made of foreign wheat, the country was getting less money and expenses for everything began to cut sometimes by shooting themselves in the foot "Anti-alcohol law" but this all could not fix the situation Gorbachev, together with the elite parties, ran to ask for loans from Western banks, and when they stopped giving money, they began to beg from the governments, and they in turn began to put forward political demands to the USSR for this business - in the end the country went bankrupt and the first signs of its collapse appeared in the mid-80s in skirmishes both in the Baltic States and and in the Caucasus. Yes, yes, if the USSR had not disintegrated, it would have completely repeated the path of today's Russia - it would have moved into a market economy.

[Vadim237]

The facts hurt your eyes - and the truth is damn unpleasant.

[lifelong couch potato]

The first and main problem: to cut the Gordian knot, when the robbery of the people and all natural resources continues cynically. The tsar on a 20-year-old throne will not give offense to all his pack of officials, oligarchs, military and all kinds of special services working for them. You can simply make all these parasites give to the treasury 60-70% of the stolen from the people. Education is falling deliberately at all levels, problems in social programs, medicine, etc. Russians are dying out - worse than cockroaches. The number of officials should be reduced at least 10 times - the effect will be positive. There are still pest traitors at all levels. And the people are silent and chewing snot: it’s calmer.

[TochkaY]

It feels like dill has nothing to do, how to get into our business (or is it bulkers, Judas bought?) Dill looks like a parody from the time of the formation of Soviet power.
Like it.

[Victor Orthodox]

Quote: TochkaY

It feels like dill has nothing to do, how to get into our business (or is it bulkers, Judas bought?) Dill looks like a parody from the time of the formation of Soviet power.
Like it.

Not one I noticed how liberal with dill intensified on all Russian sites.
Any information, commentary on Russian patriotism, love for the motherland, any positive information is immediately minuscified and ridiculed from all sides. All this may not have caused much suspicion if it had not been for the sites where you can check where the commentators write, the vast majority are from Ukraine. Judging by the number of comments and the time of publication, the same people spend all day, every day, on Russian sites.

[Saul_Rhen]

Feel free to add to the indicated categories and jumping communists. Which began to mass crap on Russia about 3 years ago.

[Berg berg]

Liberast again raises a butch, thinks that people will follow this corrupt pro-Western rot! Do not wait, well cry again - everything is lost, everything is lost! ))) Do not see you the red army!)))

[Disorder]

But 10 years preceding them - what were fruitful .......

[Oleg1]

I’ll go online, we have horror, horror, I’ll go out into the courtyard, everyone has a car, they go for a drive around Turkey and I immediately think, who is lying?
And a few numbers:
2000 GDP of PPP of Russia - ▲ 1635,3 billion dollars, GDP per capita (PPP) - ▲ 11 170 (in US dollars), unemployment-10,6%, Government debt (as a percentage of GDP) ▼ 55,7 XNUMX%
2019 - GDP according to PPP of Russia - ▲ $ 4357,7 billion, GDP per capita (PPP) - ▲ 30 (in US dollars), unemployment-284%%, Government debt (as a percentage of GDP ) ▼ 5,5%
IMHO an article through and through lying, ashamed of VO publishing similar!

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Oleg1

I’ll go out into the courtyard, everyone has a car, ride around Turkey for a vacation, and I immediately think who is lying?

You probably. 15 years without holidays I’ve been interrupted, and neither the car, nor the rest in Turkey.

[Vadim237]

Well this is your problem - sorry.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Vadim237

Well this is your problem

And not only mine. Unemployment breeds crime. How are the classics? Crime is a normal human reaction to abnormal living conditions.

[Oleg1]

Quote: Saul_Rhen

Feel free to add to the indicated categories and jumping communists. Which began to mass crap on Russia about 3 years ago.

It’s not communists, it’s together-minded, it’s the same liberalism, but painted differently ...

[iouris]

Well, looking for someone ...

[Thomas the Unbelieving]

Russia is trying to "catch up" with capitalism, which in the first world war rushes to destruction. What is the dispute? There are more or less objective indicators: for example, the average annual GDP growth (in% within the boundaries of 2000 until 2014, after - to the present) The period before the First World War (1900-1913) +3.54 NEP period (1922-1929) +10. Pre-war industrialization and collectivization (1929-1940) +17,55 The inglorious Khrushchev decade (1953-1964) +10.35 Gerontocracy (1964-1985) +5.47 "Perestroika" (1985-1991) +5,14 Nineties (1991-2000) - 5,18
Putin and Co (2000-2018) +1.4 (2014-2018) + 0.28%
About who and why ruined the experiment to create the first humanistic situation, see my articles on the website of Publicist.ru. And that each of 10 inhabitants of the USSR was killed in the Patriotic War - these were repressions

[Vadim237]

From 2000 to 2019, Russia's GDP grew, taking into account all inflation crises and the collapse of the ruble exchange rate at least 6 times from 7 trillion to 110 trillion - and this is clearly not due to oil and gas., Since it occupies only 19% in the GDP structure - Shah and checkmate author.

[Ragoz]

Gilbo is simple about the demagogue and the talker

[Vadim237]

He is not a demagogue - he is a tree.

[tank64rus]

But for the economy of China and the United States were very profitable, guess at whose expense the banquet was.

[lifelong couch potato]

The first and main problem: to cut the Gordian knot, when the robbery of the people and all natural resources continues cynically. The tsar on a 20-year-old throne will not give offense to all his pack of officials, oligarchs, military and all kinds of special services working for them. You can simply make all these parasites give to the treasury 60-70% of the stolen from the people. Education is falling deliberately at all levels, problems in social programs, medicine, etc. Russians are dying out - worse than cockroaches. The number of officials should be reduced at least 10 times - the effect will be positive. There are still pest traitors at all levels. And the people are silent and chewing snot: it’s calmer.