Attack on the oil fields of Saudi Arabia. How and why overslept a blow

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Why overslept a blow


On counter shock Saudi air defense has once again shown that it is flesh from the flesh of the Saudi armed forces and is not suitable for anything other than parades. According to the Kyrgyz Republic and the UAVL, there was not only no opposition - they were not even detected. Despite the fact that the Saudis have a lot of radar coverage of the air situation on duty and combat modes, and these are quite decent stations, such as the American stationary AN / FPS-117 and their transportable version AN / TPS-77. The KSA Air Force also has AWACS type E-3 "Sentry" aircraft with the number of 5 units and 2 light Swedish aircraft. But, obviously, these machines do not conduct regular patrols, although with such a fleet, keeping the 1 car in the south around the clock around the clock, controlling the approaches to Yemen, and one in the north is quite real. In a warring country - even necessary.


An approximate layout of the means of covering the Abkake object




And near Abkeyk is the city of Dhahran, and there is one of the largest air bases of the KSA Air Force, where 5 fighter squadrons are based at once - but not a single plane took off from there. And if cruise missiles and Drones visited there too - everything could be sad. True, in this case, the Saudis would, as usual, hide the losses, which is difficult to do in the case of the refinery. Not a single missile took off, although Abkaik himself is covered by two firing sections of the Patriot PAC-2 / 3 air defense system, and in the version of the strike echelon route promoted by the Americans, he would have passed through other areas of the Patriots and other air defense systems. It is possible that the Patriot section was the only one - on satellite images, shortly before the impact, one of the positions was empty. However, the "toothlessness" of the "Patriots" in the war with the Houthis manifested itself very clearly, although to a large extent the fault of the unfortunate Saudi anti-aircraft gunners in their cockpits. By the way, recently one of the Western lovers of "Google intelligence" on Google Earth did a little research and found out that over the years of the war in Yemen, the number of deployed positions of the firing sections of the Patriot air defense system in the KSA (formally there are 17 such sections, that is, firing batteries) has decreased almost 1,5 times - either they went out of order for various natural reasons, or they suffered from raids by the Houthi BR and UBPLA, reports of successful attacks of which directly on the Patriots have been received more than once.

Abkeyka’s Objective Air Defense also did nothing. It consisted of a Shahin-2 short-range self-propelled air defense battery - it is a well-known and already very outdated (and not previously considered a masterpiece) Krotal air defense system made in France, but not on a wheelbase, but on tracked BTR M113 chassis and modernized in 1993 and early 2000's. Its target detection range is up to 20 km, the range of destruction is up to 11,8 km with a ceiling of 3 km, the minimum interception height is 50 m (which is very weak, but would be enough for Iranian missiles and devices). It is not known whether the crews carried combat duty at the complex at all and whether they found targets. But they would have plenty of time to fire at low-speed UAVs in case of detection (even taking into account the fact that small targets are detected at a much shorter distance). However, it is possible that the Shahins do not see such goals - there is no information about the EPR of these devices, nor about the minimum resolving power of the air defense radar.

Attack on the oil fields of Saudi Arabia. How and why overslept a blow

Self-propelled air defense system "Shahin-2" (the number "2" in the name appeared after the modernization of the air defense system in 1993)


In addition, the object was covered by 3-4 batteries of non-self-propelled anti-aircraft 35-mm Skygard-35 installations. The positions southeast and southwest of the object were empty, the remaining batteries, consisting of a pair of paired 35-mm guns under radar control, were deployed. It seems that in the video with the burning facilities of the refinery, shooting was heard as if from a light rifle weapons, and from anti-aircraft guns, but most likely it was the usual shooting for the Arab "Gulf warriors" in the air after a fight and for any reason. It is not known whether the anti-aircraft artillery operation was before the hits and in general - whether they were on duty and their radars and night electronic-optical aiming devices were turned on. But if the entire air defense system of the country (by the Saudis, by the way, the air defense is a separate type of aircraft, as in the USSR and the Russian Federation before 1998, but, as we see, this does not make sense), then there was an alarm signal no one, however, does not remove the blame from the staff.


35-mm paired "Skygard-35" GDF-007 memory in position


Who is to blame and to whom to chop the head


They say that the Saudi command has already found the “switchman” and arrested the officer in charge of Abkeik’s air defense, and he faces an extremely “democratic” execution - public cutting off of his head. Well, not the next prince, the commander of the air defense system, really cut his head!

Of course, the fault of the Saudi mountain warrior is undeniable. Despite the fact that air defense is considered to be an "elite", second only to the Air Force (where almost only princes are in flight) and the national guard (where there are only fellow countrymen of the royal clan), there, like the whole Saudi army, this "valuable" principle is professed services, such as: "at the will of Allah - let him fight for us and protect us." But there are much more unpleasant things for Americans. Once again, the low combat value of the American Patriot and radar systems was demonstrated, and the Americans scantily admit this fact and try to justify themselves, which was not the case before. But the fact that the very organization of air defense, the deployment of funds, the tactics of air defense of the Americans is "lame" - the Americans are not going to recognize. But a considerable part of the Hussites' success in delivering strikes (not only these strikes, but also the previous ones) is ensured by this. Domestic air defense specialists knew this for a very long time, and even the conduct of joint Russian-American computer missile defense exercises at the beginning of the 2000's did not "cure" the Americans from this "disease", although they learned something.

Is such a threat dangerous for Russia


For some reason, after this blow various sofa clicks also intensified, telling that "such a blow can be inflicted on the oil industry of any state, even Russia." Some even agreed to such drones before the "Kremlin" attacks. Firstly, Russia does not have such a concentration of the oil industry, nor does it have such giant refineries that process 70% of exports and the infrastructure itself is much more distributed and ramified. Secondly, most of our oil industry is located in areas where the non-nuclear Tomahawks (there are no others) will not reach the sea. Not to mention the UAV. Thirdly, if someone thinks that the main areas of production and processing, where they really, and not in someone’s dreams, can be under attack, are not covered by air defense systems, then he is most often mistaken. Not to mention electronic warfare. In addition, the plans provide for the deployment of various jamming and camouflage means in the area of ​​critical industrial facilities, in case of military danger. By themselves, devices of this size and range are quite large and do not represent any difficulty for our air defense systems.

But there’s no need to talk about attacks on the bodies of higher state and military administration - you should not experiment with drones at a number of especially important objects at your own peril and risk. And where it is, nevertheless, perhaps, the situation can instantly change to the opposite, in case of danger. The FSO takes this danger very seriously.

Well and most importantly, such a serious blow to the Russian oil fields can cause a massive crushing response, even a nuclear one. Separate terrorist groups can’t do this, and suicides among states that are really capable of attempting such an attack are not observed. Which, of course, does not say that the danger, say, of UAVs is ignored by us: in recent years, dozens of systems and means for combating drones, based on various principles, have been created, tested, and are accepted for service. And they are actively used in real hostilities, in particular in Syria. The entire “success” of the tactics of using such devices against Russia can be traced in the almost fruitless attacks against Khmeimim and Tartus and a number of other bases of the RF Armed Forces in the SAR. Although for small groups, the danger of such devices is obvious until they have protective equipment. And the danger of terrorist attacks using small drones against civilians in peacetime, of course, is.

Why try to prove Iran’s direct guilt?


It is completely incomprehensible why the Americans are trying to prove that the strike was delivered directly by the Iranians. Are the United States ready to say “A” and say “B,” that is, to act? Unlikely. The Americans already realized that there would be no easy walk with Iran, which both Russian technologies in the field of air defense and electronic warfare gained and purchased, and Chinese. And what kind of walks can be in conflict with the 90 millionth not poorest country with a powerful army and serious missile potential? Various attacks of the Kyrgyz Republic can be delivered - but there will be little sense, and retaliatory strikes can be extremely unpleasant. Iranians will have enough forces and means and the Strait of Hormuz to close tightly with mines, anti-ship missiles, and arrange hunting for enemy ships with their underwater fleet, and missiles to wipe the same Saudis from the face of the Earth, for example. And the missiles of the Iranians are now quite accurate.

Judging by the rhetoric of the United States, declaring vaguely about "readiness to act," and then dissuading them with phrases about "cyber attacks in response," they do not want to act. Perhaps only locally and simultaneously, and so as not to cause Tehran’s harsh reaction. But most likely, we will talk about the next unilateral sanctions, to which Iran is already accustomed.

A much more interesting option for the Americans is when the Saudis themselves will act, possibly with the Allies, and the Americans will "help with intelligence." But this option does not bode well for uncles in clothes made of white fabric. Judging by the fighting efficiency of the armies of the oil monarchies shown in Yemen, the Iranians, for all their shortcomings, will tear them to shreds. Yes and answer options with strokes aviation the targets in Iran can be very expensive for the Saudis, both in the form of aircraft losses, and from retaliatory missile strikes. What can Iran, he has already demonstrated. If it was just a blow from the Iranian "proxy warriors", then what will happen from Iran itself? Are the Saudis ready for such an exacerbation? It’s unlikely without the USA. But soon everything will show.

To sell or not to sell - that is the question


Everyone, obviously, saw our President smiling, saying that we were ready to sell to Saudi Arabia everything necessary to protect against such attacks, and he said this, referring to Iran and Turkey, which, they say, "bought what you need, "in the presence of the leaders of these countries. And they saw their smiles in response. Question: Is it possible for the Saudis to sell all this, is debatable. On the one hand, the danger that export funds specially adapted for KSA will fall into US hands is exaggerated. Export systems are exported, and there are a number of activities stipulated by the contract to protect against such scenarios. So there is almost nothing to fear.

There is another thing to be feared - there are such “good” warriors from the Saudis that even if they sell C-400, Armor-S, radar, electronic warfare equipment and train them in the right tactics, they can still remain at the same level of efficiency without getting close even, say, to the level of personnel of the Syrian air defense systems (according to the opinions of our experts, it’s already quite decent). And spoil the reputation of our systems instead of American ones. On the other hand, sell anything to the Saudis, there will be little sense - this is obvious to experts around the world. At least the war with the Hussites showed what the KSA army actually was. And you can earn considerable money. So the Russian leadership should think hard whether we need it or you won’t earn all the money. And is it worth it to link such a sale to the cessation of aggression in Yemen, say? Moreover, we have enough experience of successful mediation in negotiations - we can help with this.

But will the Saudis themselves buy our systems? Talk about this has been going on for a long time. Something about Tanks, then about the OTRK "Iskander-E", then about the air defense system. Demonstrations, demonstrations, presentations, preliminary negotiations - and again everything calms down. Obviously, the United States has enough influence on the ruling circles of the KSA to force it to buy its own, and at exorbitant prices each time. And there is no reason to think that it will be different this time either.
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  1. +3
    22 September 2019 06: 43
    I think our president is purely for a reproach towards "Patriont" and advertising С300-400, well, ... supposedly suggested.
    And further.
    Here, too, there is an advertisement for a Makita screwdriver, etc. Yesterday I received a manual screwdriver instead of a screwdriver with 2 batteries. I gave 4375 rubles for a screwdriver !!! And 2 batteries are left and right hand? The parcel seemed suspicious, the postman held it easily, but rattled on the phone and did not hear me when I asked to hand it over to me to check its (parcel's) weight, paid for it, and then ... We are getting old, bred, damn it. Don't get caught, friends !!!!
    1. +9
      22 September 2019 08: 14
      Quote: sagitch
      I paid for it, but already ... We’re getting old, got a damn.

      It remains only to sympathize. Very sorry.
    2. +1
      22 September 2019 08: 28
      He himself almost bought a watch on local advertising, it’s good that he showed his daughter and his son-in-law they explained everything on their fingers to me. hi
      1. +6
        22 September 2019 08: 50
        Big boys already, and all believe in fairy tales .... fellow
        1. +20
          22 September 2019 09: 06
          Yes, we have almost the whole country believes in fairy tales. And the biggest storytellers are sitting on the TV.
          1. +8
            22 September 2019 10: 14
            Professor Preobrazhensky very rightly remarked:

            "And - God save you - do not read Soviet newspapers before dinner." To this, Dr. Bormental replied that there were no others besides them. To which the professor objected to him: “Do not read any. You know, I made 30 observations in my clinic. And what do you think? Patients who do not read newspapers feel great. Those whom I specially forced to read "Truth" - lost weight. [...] Not only that. Decreased knee-jerk reflexes, poor appetite, depressed mood. ”

            It remains to add that watching modern television shows adversely affects a person.
    3. 0
      22 September 2019 12: 58
      I have in stock Shurik Makita 10.8 in 2 batteries, a case, a set of 40 Makitovsky bits 5799 pcs
      1. 0
        22 September 2019 13: 03
        Quote: Clever man
        I have a shurik makita in the stock ...

        Are you selling?
        1. 0
          22 September 2019 13: 08
          We can say so) I manage the assortment in the network of construction stores, the direction of the tool.
    4. 0
      22 September 2019 19: 45
      If the store in the aggregators is like a Yandex market, or an express, you can file a complaint. There sanctions are severe for such hucksters, money will be returned.
    5. 0
      22 September 2019 20: 30
      As soon as the phrase - sale (-50%) follows, you can safely consider - kidalovo.
      I understand when one person sells one screwdriver at a price two times lower.
      Well, the poor fellow needs a drink. Or "taken away" somewhere.
      But when the advertisement!
      So not one?
      That's all.
      You can finish without starting.
      Dont be upset.
      And on the old women there is a breakthrough.
      Lost here.
      And somewhere you will find.
      1. +1
        22 September 2019 20: 44
        Quote: demo
        As soon as the phrase - sale (-50%) follows, we can safely assume - kidalovo

        Absolutely not necessary. On shoes-clothes - he repeatedly used it, did not find any kidalov.

        Quote: demo
        You can finish without starting

        Finish laughing
        1. -1
          22 September 2019 20: 46
          Finished ........... good
          1. 0
            22 September 2019 21: 02
            Quote: demo
            Finished

            No offense, okay?

            My current office (sportswear and equipment) periodically arranges such sales - the season is ending, it is necessary to empty the warehouse for nova. For me, as a programmer, providing, among other things, the work of online stores, this is a lot of hemorrhoids - the number of orders is increasing ... yes, just dramatically. And what worked like a clock in normal mode sometimes starts to crumble ...

            But there is no kidalov there, everything is honest request
            1. +7
              22 September 2019 21: 11
              Today, yesterday, the day before yesterday, I deliberately watched how deception is going on in Magnit stores.
              Price tag - 10 (20, 35, 50)% of the product.
              Shelf life is normal.
              I get it.
              I look at the check.
              Specially remembered 4-5 positions.
              The check costs a price twice as high.
              I ask a question.
              Confusion. Director's call.
              Diligent study of the check.
              And a refund.
              SYSTEM has developed!
              And do not dig.
              The computer is to blame!
              In stores Magnet-Cosmetics sale.
              SMS are flying.
              Went to buy shaving foam.
              It turned out the discount price is the same as the price in the company store.
              Where is the discount?
              The saleswoman is responsible.
              Three days ago they raised by 70, and today they threw off by 50.
              Famously?
              Despite the apparent benefits, I can not convince myself to buy a "pig in a poke".
              I want to see, watch a thing.
              And maybe I will refuse the purchase if something does not like it.
              And then she came. And then send back, wait for the money.
              And shipping is not free.
              Something like that.
              Good night and a successful working week.
              1. +1
                22 September 2019 21: 15
                About Magnet and other Attacks - I agree, I saw it myself repeatedly.

                Quote: demo
                Three days ago they raised it on 70, and today they threw it on 50

                Woodpeckers ... they are trying to weld a penny on pennies ...

                Quote: demo
                can't convince myself to buy a pig in a poke. I want to see, watch a thing.

                And absolutely right.

                It’s easier for me - I work in Moscow. And the maximum that I lose is payment for courier delivery (it happened a couple of times - well, they don’t fit slippers on your foot, even kill yourself).

                And so - looked, put on, approached - took. And no problem.
    6. 0
      23 September 2019 00: 54
      They also heated me, they sent me not what I ordered. While sworn to make new orders.

      I wonder if we will supply the armor if there is a request?
      1. +1
        23 September 2019 10: 17
        Your question sounds very interesting in the context of previous posts. laughing
    7. +1
      23 September 2019 12: 36
      And sometimes I specially order from a breeder. Well, for the sake of fun, even if they spend some money on delivery. laughing
    8. 0
      24 September 2019 21: 52
      You need to buy in a normal store, there at least outwardly you can see what you are buying, though this does not always guarantee a trick. Product death designers know their stuff. So I bought a Dexp coffee grinder that looks solid, looks like a big bullet, and its power button stopped responding after 4 months, it doesn’t turn on. Dismantled, the contact device turned out to be just a toy. What to do look for a long and hard warranty workshop or throw it away and buy a new one. I threw out the contact device of the wiring, I sang it, it all became not so convenient, every time I need to keep it from the outlet, but now there’s nothing more to break. This is in Russian, spitting on amenities would only work!
  2. +8
    22 September 2019 08: 27
    It wasn't about the "car."
    Was it just "0" sitting in the cockpit?
    A true story from the 70s: in Odessa OVU, a teacher inadvertently compared an electric circuit to a pipe. And the cadets (in my opinion from Algeria), instead of clicking the toggle switch, pressed the wire with all their might ...
    1. +4
      22 September 2019 10: 22
      I will answer this way .. We also overslept the shelling of Khmeinim .. The first shelling. Then they made conclusions. Let's see what conclusions the Saudis will make.
      1. +1
        22 September 2019 12: 59
        What kind of shelling did they sleep there? Mortar "point-blank"?
      2. 0
        23 September 2019 12: 38
        Well, for the sake of justice there was a mortar attack and then a puncture of the Syrians who were responsible for the external perimeter of protection.
  3. +4
    22 September 2019 08: 51
    If you sell air defense weapons to the Saudis, then some kind of close defensive line in automatic mode in order to exclude the human factor (they put it on the position, plugged in the power supply, pressed the button to start the automatic guarding and "forgot" to check and prevent). Neighboring, so that civil aircraft do not interfere with flying, otherwise there will always be the "smartest" who decides to check "how does it work?" lol
  4. +5
    22 September 2019 08: 53
    It also seemed strange to me not only that the air defense system could not bring down the drones, but that it seems that it didn’t even try. To remedy the situation, the Saudis need to hire the entire personnel of the air defense calculations and the crew of the AWACS from the same retired US military.
    1. +1
      22 September 2019 10: 44
      I thought the same about it. For them, this is the best solution to the problem, or indeed American complexes are not suitable for solving such problems. Not so long ago, the same Jews tried to shoot down a unmanned aerial vehicle that had flown in from Syria with Patriot missiles. The missiles missed their target. But at least they found it.
      1. +1
        23 September 2019 15: 20
        Xs, according to the characteristics of the Patriot, it’s quite normal for itself, at the department of tactics of the Air Force they modeled the breakthrough of their air defense system, not everything was rosy, I note this was back in the USSR Air Force. So here either calculations of the down, or it was necessary for the attack to succeed (IMHO). This blow is just a tactic, but what is the strategic idea? Well, Amers need war, again, the price of oil will skyrocket, again we are in the Caucasus inconvenience, again, a slowdown in economic growth in Europe and China ... Something like this, but it is again IMHO.
        1. 0
          24 September 2019 16: 41
          Thus, it often happens that the advertised products do not meet the declared characteristics. We ourselves are faced with this in our daily life. Alas and ah. As for the Patriot, according to the experts, this complex was originally sharpened to combat ballistic missiles and maneuvering targets at high altitudes and ranges. With low-altitude targets, he clearly has problems. As our military and developers boast, the S-300 and other similar systems are capable of shooting down any flying objects at almost any height. On the other hand, such waste of firing expensive missiles at small targets is not justified from an economic point of view. For this, we have a short-range air defense system that can receive preliminary information from long-range complexes. I don’t know about your version of the strategic plan. They say different things. But even if this is so, then in any case, the Americans have badly substituted the reputation of their air defense complexes.
    2. +1
      18 October 2019 00: 57
      Will retired US military go to Saudi service? And how will they serve? There are few countries in the world that are so opposed in ideology and way of life as the United States and the KSA ... I won’t be surprised that the American military is carefully sabotaging already and during the entire Yemeni mess, and how they can suppress the Wahhabi Saudis. And there is a reason for that, given that over the years it has become clearer and clearer that civil servants of the kingdom and part of the Saudi elite participated in the preparation of the September 11 attacks ...
      1. 0
        18 October 2019 12: 17
        I believe that they will be despite all these differences. Only the price will be appropriate. Well, here either pay or burn. And of course not in the form of rank-and-file or officers of the armed forces of Saudi Arabia. And in the form of PMCs or the company of the airspace safety operator. Living in separate towns with a guarded facility not in particular contact with the local population and working on a rotational basis.
        1. 0
          22 October 2019 23: 48
          There were similar ideas in the past: like in the passenger airline "Saudi Arabian Airlines" it was a rule not to hire non-Muslims. And they were trolled in the 70s: how do you find Muslim pilots on jet Boeings? They found it very simply: a salary of 1 million dollars a year and there were Americans willing to be circumcised ... True or not, I don’t know, but such a bike went.
          Here the point is different - even a separate town and the rotational method does not help to isolate and protect the mercenaries from the surrounding madhouse. There is an abstract example shown in a feature film - there is such a film "The Kingdom" (2007) https://www.kinopoisk.ru/film/87753/ I recommend watching it - if only because of an interesting idea about the act in a closed town for Americans (by the way, a terrible idea - just a hint to terrorists). This film: Maximum Acceptable Saudi Criticism from Hollywood. I have a DVD disc with this film, there are pieces cut from the main version, where the main characters from the FBI directly say: "If we go to the State Department with this idea / compromising material on the Saudi princes, then the CIA will dig us right here for this .. . "
  5. +4
    22 September 2019 09: 12
    Simply, the technique is in the hands of the "savage" ... It looks like military equipment for the Saudis, some kind of accessory ...
    1. +3
      22 September 2019 09: 16
      parusnik (Alexey Bogomazov) Today, 09: 12 NEW
      0
      Simply, the technique is in the hands of the "savage" ...It looks like military equipment for the Sauds, some kind of accessory...

      They would have a saber, but in a circle to dance! wink
      1. +3
        22 September 2019 09: 49
        Feudal army with modern weapons ...
        1. +1
          22 September 2019 10: 55
          In 2013, he was surprised to learn that the Saudis, although since the end of the 60s of the last century have been bathed in money, they opened their own university only in 2010. Before that, they hired all the specialists.
          1. +1
            22 September 2019 11: 05
            Quote: Aviator_
            but they opened their university only in 2010.

            I guess oil production? laughing
            1. +1
              22 September 2019 14: 06
              In theory, the university should have everything from economics to astronomy. In 2015, they were going to hold a conference on fluid and gas flow control (FLUCOM). Maybe they did.
            2. 0
              23 September 2019 09: 42
              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              Quote: Aviator_
              but they opened their university only in 2010.

              I guess oil production? laughing

              For the extraction of money. What else can the Saudis teach?
          2. +1
            22 September 2019 13: 00
            Do you know a lot of developed Islamic states?
          3. +1
            22 September 2019 14: 52
            Quote: Aviator_
            In 2013, he was surprised to learn that the Saudis, although since the end of the 60s of the last century have been bathed in money, they opened their own university only in 2010. Before that, they hired all the specialists.

            King Saud University - is a state university in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. It was founded on November 6, 1957 by King Saud ibn Abdulaziz as the second university in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia after Umm al-Qur University in Mecca
            .
            1. 0
              22 September 2019 16: 40
              I don’t know what they have been teaching at King Saud University since the 1957 of the year, probably exclusively Islamic theology, only at the FLUCOM 2013 conference in Nara (Japan), where I participated, it was announced that the next conference in 2015 would be in the recently opened University of the Saudis.
              1. +2
                22 September 2019 19: 42
                Quote: Aviator_
                Do not know

                That's it .. you don’t know

                Faculties
                Faculty of Engineering
                College of Business Administration
                College of Architecture and Urban Planning
                College of Food and Agricultural Sciences
                College of Computer and Information Sciences
                College of Pharmacy
                College of Nursing
                Faculty of Dentistry
                Faculty of Arts
                Faculty of Education
                Faculty of Tourism and Antiquities
                College of Languages ​​and Translations
                Institute of Arabic Linguistics
                Faculty of Law and Political Science
                Ayr - Riyadh Community College
                College of Humanities

                Quote: Aviator_
                that the next conference in 2015 will be at the recently opened Saudi university.

                And you made a thoughtful conclusion that this is the FIRST open university at the Saudis.
                1. +1
                  22 September 2019 20: 46
                  It is a first useful university. In the field of technical sciences (as well as physical and mathematical ones), the successes of graduates of the 1957 University of the year are unknown to anyone. I just quoted a delegate from Saudi Arabia, who in the 2013 year told everyone that suddenly a university had recently started working for them. I believe that he did not mean this humanitarian crap, which has been working there since 1957 of the year. By the way, for more than 20 years the Turks have had an aviation institute, I talked to graduates - very competent guys.
          4. +2
            23 September 2019 01: 53
            It seems that specifically to the Saudis, the Koran forbids reading anything else except the Koran.
    2. 0
      25 September 2019 05: 32
      Got it! The Americans threw them away! "Patriot" without batteries, with manual guidance, etc., like a manual screwdriver instead of an e-shurik.
  6. +3
    22 September 2019 09: 28
    It makes sense to the Saudis to buy the most tested air defense in the world from such shelling of this type. And most importantly, in addition to this, hire the Jews themselves as personnel for these complexes smile
    And the fact that the head is chopped off is the case when there is a reason.
    it would also be necessary for that "pryntsy" who was responsible for the air defense, especially since they have a dime a dozen of these prynts.
    1. 0
      23 September 2019 02: 36
      Quote: Avior
      It makes sense to the Saudis to buy the most tested air defense in the world from such shelling of this type. And most importantly, in addition to this, hire the Jews themselves as personnel for these complexes smile
      And the fact that the head is chopped off is the case when there is a reason.
      it would also be necessary for that "pryntsy" who was responsible for the air defense, especially since they have a dime a dozen of these prynts.

      It seems to me that this will not come to this. lol
  7. 0
    22 September 2019 09: 35
    I can’t give evidence, but God sees it without a striped hand.
    1. LON
      +1
      22 September 2019 11: 32
      And how do you like this version. Before the Saudi strike, a major Russian player bought up multibillion-dollar oil futures. At the time of the price rise, on September 11, the number of futures contracts sold in Moscow soared by 174%. Probably these were the geniuses of Russian trading associated with the development community.
      1. 0
        22 September 2019 14: 00
        Quote: LON
        And how do you like this version. Before the Saudi strike, a major Russian player bought up multibillion-dollar oil futures. At the time of the price rise, on September 11, the number of futures contracts sold in Moscow soared by 174%. Probably these were the geniuses of Russian trading associated with the development community.

        And in Khabarovsk a few days ago, gas prices rose. smile
        "Geniuses", swing them into a swing.
        1. 0
          23 September 2019 09: 46
          Quote: arlekin
          And in Khabarovsk a few days ago, gas prices rose. smile
          "Geniuses", swing them into the swing

          And then you do not have to be a genius. Everyone knows that with the global increase in oil prices, the price of gasoline in Russia rises.
          By the way, when falling, it also rises ...
          1. -1
            23 September 2019 21: 38
            Quote: Gritsa
            And then you do not have to be a genius. Everyone knows that with the global increase in oil prices, the price of gasoline in Russia rises.
            By the way, when falling, it also rises ...

            And even when the price of oil does not move, gasoline rises in the Russian Federation ... because inflation)))
            1. 0
              24 September 2019 12: 22
              Quote: Harry.km
              And even when the price of oil does not move, gasoline rises in Russia ... because inflation

              Because Russia.
              1. -2
                24 September 2019 12: 37
                Quote: Gritsa
                Because Russia.

                Everyone knows why and who is to blame, but what to do?)))
  8. 0
    22 September 2019 11: 38
    Well, I don’t know about the Saudis .. But this blow is a subtle hint to Israel for their arrogance and confidence in impunity .. Previously, rockets were shot down and boasted that they were under an "iron dome"?
    If you continue to behave this way brazenly and cruelly in your constant bombing of the Middle East .. I’m not sure that someone will save you and warn you .. Russia is tired of holding back the Arab countries .. Calm down your "historical ambition" otherwise again, by the deserts will have to run .. hi
    P / S We will not accept you back .. wink Even in the Jewish joint-stock company with three Jews .. wassat
  9. +2
    22 September 2019 11: 40
    Yes, to put it mildly, it was not the Saudis who screwed up, but the stake on the highly praised "to the level of God" mattress technology! That is why they are getting out, now the representatives of the United States in the media, with their own conclusions drawn from the finger. A complete bummer and military experts from many countries, they perfectly understand this, but they are "modest" in front of the orchestra.
    1. 0
      23 September 2019 09: 52
      Quote: Vladimir61
      Yes, to put it mildly, it was not the Saudis who screwed up, but the stake on the highly praised "to the level of God" mattress technology!

      Against this background, it remains for us to overwhelm the Jewish "Letak" with the S-300 system. Desirable - F-35. Then our systems will already be "at the level of God"
  10. +6
    22 September 2019 12: 33
    Everything is clear with them. If only princes are at the helm. And behind the consoles - the brother-in-law and brother-in-law of the prince, you won’t get much of such an army.
    And the sheikh has a lot of money. And he wants protection (yes it can’t).
    And why do not private companies provide such services? The idea is certainly controversial. But why not? If you want protection from UAVs, please, PMCs with S-400, Ptsniry and TORami will arrive to you and with all that there still is necessary and you will be happy. Just pay.
    If you want a democratic aircraft carrier to not moor under the windows of the Presidential Palace - please - Ball, Bastion at your service.
    I'm afraid the "partners" will be categorically against such an alignment.
  11. 0
    22 September 2019 12: 35
    Quote: parusnik
    Simply, the technique is in the hands of the "savage" ... It looks like military equipment for the Saudis, some kind of accessory ...

    not an accessory but a fetish wassat
  12. Quote: sagitch
    I think our president is purely for a reproach towards "Patriont" and advertising С300-400, well, ... supposedly suggested.
    And further.
    Here, too, there is an advertisement for a Makita screwdriver, etc. Yesterday I received a manual screwdriver instead of a screwdriver with 2 batteries. I gave 4375 rubles for a screwdriver !!! And 2 batteries are left and right hand? The parcel seemed suspicious, the postman held it easily, but rattled on the phone and did not hear me when I asked to hand it over to me to check its (parcel's) weight, paid for it, and then ... We are getting old, bred, damn it. Don't get caught, friends !!!!


    Do not believe: many lie. Do not buy anything that you yourself cannot check in advance and thoroughly.
    "The people are scum, the climate is disgusting, there is no money .... and drafts ... damn drafts."
  13. Quote: Kontrik
    Well, I don’t know about the Saudis .. But this blow is a subtle hint to Israel for their arrogance and confidence in impunity .. Previously, rockets were shot down and boasted that they were under an "iron dome"?
    If you continue to behave this way brazenly and cruelly in your constant bombing of the Middle East .. I’m not sure that someone will save you and warn you .. Russia is tired of holding back the Arab countries .. Calm down your "historical ambition" otherwise again, by the deserts will have to run .. hi
    P / S We will not accept you back .. wink Even in the Jewish joint-stock company with three Jews .. wassat

    ------------------------------------------
    It seems that you do not think otherwise than hatred. What do you remember about the Jews for no reason?
    Your thinking is based only on hatred of the Jews. You (Jews) see Jews so much that you will not turn to a psychologist?
    You have megalomania. Do you broadcast on behalf of Russia?
    What Arab countries does Russia hold if its influence extends only to Syria?
    This is a hint to Kontrik about his painful perception of the world.
    1. 0
      23 September 2019 07: 40
      And you are a doctor to diagnose and prescribe treatment methods?
  14. Quote: mordvin xnumx
    Quote: Aviator_
    but they opened their university only in 2010.

    I guess oil production? laughing

    90 +% percent of education is theological. "But the farther south, the worse the matter. Take, for example, the same Saudi Arabia. The level of education is low, exact sciences are taught at a primitive level (only in the 11th grade a student hears for the first time about the simplest trigonometric functions), the history course covers only the history of Islamic countries and conquests, and English at the level of the alphabet begins to be studied only from the 6th grade. Religious disciplines, Arabic language and literature are in the lead (there is no foreign literature course). There is the same motto in universities and schools: to educate a Muslim first of all .. . sciences are most strongly developed in Islamic countries: theological-theological, philological and general-humanitarian: history, sociology, pedagogy and some others "https://ycnokoutellb.livejournal.com/468831.html
    1. +2
      22 September 2019 14: 15
      UNIVERSITIES IN SAUDI ARABIA
      2018 University Web Ranking


      1 King Saud University
      Riyadh
      2 King Abdulaziz University
      Jeddah ...
      3 Umm Al-Koura University
      Mcca
      4 King Fahd University of Oil and Minerals
      Dhahran
      5 King Faisal University
      Al Hasa
      6 King Abdullah University of Science and Technology
      Thuwal
      7 Imams of Muhammad Ibn Saud Islamic University
      Riyadh ...
      8 institutions of public administration
      Riyadh ...
      9 King Khalid University
      Abha ...
      10 Taibah University
      Al-Medina Al-Munovarrah
      11 Islamic Universities of Medina
      Medinah
      12 Taif University
      Taif
      13 University of Kassim
      Kassim ...
      14 Jazan University
      Jazan
      15 Majmaah University
      Al Madjma'a ...
      16 University of Tabuk
      Tabuk ...
      17 Alfaisal University
      Riyadh
      18 Prince Sultan University
      Riyadh
      19 King Saud Bin Abdulaziz University for Medical Sciences
      Riyadh ...
      20 Fahad Ben Sultan University
      Tabuk
      21 Al Jouf University
      Al jeff
      22 Princess Norah University Girls Abdulrahman
      Riyadh ...
      23 Ha'il University
      Ha'il
      24 University of Nairan
      Nairan
      25 Prince Mohammad Bin Fahd University
      khobar
      26 Al Baha University
      Al Baha ...
      27 Salman bin Abdulaziz University
      Al harj
      28 Northern University Borders
      Arar ...
      29 Dammam University
      Dammam ...
      30 University of Effat
      Jeddah
      31 Shaqra University
      Shaqra
      32 Dera Al Ulum University
      Riyadh
      33 University of Al Yamamaha
      Riyadh
      34 Dar Al-Hekma College
      Jeddah
      35 Riyadh College of Dentistry and Pharmacy
      Riyadh
      36 University of Business and Technology
      Jeddah
      37 Ibn Sin National College of Medical Research
      Jedd
      1. -1
        22 September 2019 14: 26
        And as they have with international recognition. With ratings in general?
        How long will it be recognized internally by a provincial college as a university.
        1. +1
          22 September 2019 14: 28
          Probably no better and no worse than the rest of the countries of the 3rd world.
          Normal training programs and faculties:

          Taif University is a higher education institution located in the city of at-Taif, Saudi Arabia, a few tens of kilometers from Mecca.

          The university was opened in 2004 to meet the educational needs of residents of the historic province of Hijaz. He is one of the youngest in the kingdom. But now more than 40 students are studying in it and the university is actively recruiting foreign applicants.

          The university has the following faculties and colleges:

          - Medicine (includes departments of pediatrics, narcology, internal medicine, pathology, anatomy, surgery, forensic medical examination, urology, pediatric ophthalmology, medical biology)

          - Applied medical sciences (includes departments of microbiology, biotechnology, veterinary medicine, medical documentation)

          - Administrative and financial disciplines (includes departments of business management, marketing, accounting, information management systems, investment and finance, economics and project management)

          - Computing and information systems (includes departments of computer science, information systems, computer engineering)

          - Engineering (includes departments of road construction, electrical engineering, mechanical engineering)

          - Pharmacology

          - Natural sciences

          - Pedagogics (includes departments of special and correctional pedagogy, kindergarten education, economics, educational technologies)

          - Philology (includes departments of Arabic and English philology)

          - Sharia and Islamic studies (includes the branches of Islamic law, the science of reading the Qur'an, Islamic culture)

          - Design and households (includes departments of clothing and textiles, art history, housing and family construction, cooking).
        2. +1
          22 September 2019 14: 55
          Quote: Shahno
          as they have with international recognition. With ratings in general?
          How long does it take to recognize a state-owned college internally by a university

          Hofstra University USA
          401-450 Illinois Institute of Technology USA
          401-450 Jagiellonian University in Krakow Poland
          401-450 King Saud University Saudi Arabia
          401-450 Loyola University Chicago USA
          401-450 Moscow State Institute of International Relations Russia
          401-450 Nankai University China
          401-450 New Mexico State University USA
          401-450 Okayama University Japan
      2. Still, read the opinion of ARAB on ARAB education. https://ycnokoutellb.livejournal.com/468831.html
        1. +1
          23 September 2019 14: 06
          Interviewed by an employee of the Orthodox Missionary Apologetic Center "Stavros" Pitanov V.Yu.
          I would hesitate to recommend this "interview" to serious people. A mile away from him carries fake, order and outright lies
  15. +3
    22 September 2019 13: 33
    "... in the entire Saudi army, such a" valuable "principle of service is professed, such as:" Allah will do everything - so let him fight for us and protect us "
    This principle is professed to a greater or lesser extent by all the armies of the Arab countries of the Middle East, respectively, and their armed forces look the most formidable just at the parades. With regard to real military operations, the proud descendants of Umar ibn al-Khattab, even equipped with the most modern weapons, invariably find themselves beaten "in heaven, on land and at sea." People are fighting.
    1. 0
      22 September 2019 13: 41
      Not to say that the proud Persians are radically different in this sense. In the Iran-Iraqi, they didn’t really shine
      1. +3
        22 September 2019 13: 56
        It depends on how to assess the degree of "gloss". For eight years, Iran, practically in international isolation, fought against Iraq, which was strongly supported by the United States, Great Britain, the USSR, France and most Arab countries. Iran was interrupted by purchases from China and the DPRK, Syrian and Libyan "Scuds" and smuggling from the United States ("Irangate"). The war ended in a draw. I see no particular reason to reproach the Persians.
        1. +1
          22 September 2019 14: 01
          And Iraq lost two coalition wars from the most developed world states. Well, and Israel, which is at least three of the most combat-ready armies. I also see no special reason to blame. Such opponents are not the only Arabs to lose miserably
          1. +2
            22 September 2019 14: 14
            Sorry, but to some extent I find it difficult to understand the essence of your objections. You want to say that the example of Iraq in the war with coalitions somehow refutes my comment about the armies of the Arab countries, of which there are more than two dozen?
            1. 0
              22 September 2019 14: 20
              I just listed the wars in which the Arab armies (individually, Iraq) or in the coalition were defeated. And I do not think that losing to opponents of this level — Israel, the USA + NATO — speaks of any inability of the Arabs to fight a priori.
              1. +2
                22 September 2019 14: 37
                The Iraqi army is rather a kind of exception that proves the rule. They were "lucky" to fight the "big uncles". You are trying to match Iraq's defeat to serious adversaries with evidence of Iraq's ability to fight. This is pure sophistry, a substitution of concepts. Give a better example of the victories of the Arab armies over any enemy.
                1. 0
                  22 September 2019 14: 44
                  I’m trying to understand the motives for reckoning Arabs as incapable of fighting. Your question about Arabs’ victories can be redirected to 90% of the world’s armies. What are the victories of the armies of China, India, Brazil, Argentina and so on and so on over the past 40/50 years?
                  The failure of the Arabs to fight is the result of the Arab / Israeli wars and Soviet propaganda, which explained the sad results of their advisers there.
                  1. +3
                    22 September 2019 15: 03
                    The failure of the Arabs to fight is the result of the Arab / Israeli wars and Soviet propaganda, which explained the sad results of their advisers there.
                    Sorry, but you are losing your reputation by using information that you clearly have a distant idea of ​​as arguments. I am telling you this as a person not only personally acquainted with the "Soviet advisers", but also personally familiar with the "Arab soldiers" in their "habitat" and who had the opportunity to have a hand in their training.
                    1. 0
                      22 September 2019 15: 08
                      You have a reputation for operating facts and arguments. In this case, you are not operating with them, but with personal impressions) hi
                      1. +2
                        22 September 2019 15: 33
                        By the way, the minus is not mine.
                        Actually, I operate with facts. Including personally received. Or do you reject such a method of obtaining facts?
                        In recent history, none of the 23's in the Arab world has shown the ability to independently resolve the arisen confrontation in its favor. If you have other information, I will be pleased to read it.
                      2. +1
                        22 September 2019 20: 06
                        Quote: Undecim
                        minus is not mine

                        I didn’t think yours. (Aquila non captat muscas)
                        Quote: Undecim
                        Or do you reject such a method of obtaining facts?

                        I do not refute. But not for such global conclusions.
                        Quote: Undecim
                        In recent history, not one of the 23 states of the Arab world has shown the ability to independently resolve the arisen confrontation in their favor

                        In the modern history of such states all over the world, who managed to independently resolve armed confrontation in their favor, not even on all the fingers of one hand can be counted. Arabs are not particularly different in this from the overwhelming majority of countries in the world. Do not zvbyvaet that the Arab countries were "born" all in the 50/60 years in territories where for centuries there was no state and army. Military traditions there simply have nowhere to come from.
                      3. +3
                        22 September 2019 20: 46
                        Do not forget that the Arab countries were all "born" in the 50/60s in territories where for centuries there was no state and army. Military traditions there simply have nowhere to come from.
                        I would not say that. Morocco's statehood was practically uninterrupted from the VIII century, Tunisia as an independent state can be considered already from the end of the XVI century, the territory of Algeria until the beginning of the XVIII century was an arena of constant armed conflicts, from the beginning of the XVIII to the middle of XIX - Algeria is an independent state.
                        By the way, French troops took part in the offensive on Tunisia on the side of the Allies, to a large extent manned by Algerians, Moroccans and residents of other French colonies in Africa.
                        Even if formally some states did not exist, then their territory and population, as a rule, are an arena of constant armed conflicts, as, for example, Somalia. So military traditions there are quite enough.
                      4. +2
                        22 September 2019 21: 17
                        I read somewhere that Arabs are good warriors but bad soldiers.
                        In a rebel war, they have few peers. In the wars of the regular armies, they are big problems. Although they fought well in the Yom Kippur War. This is admitted by the Israelis themselves. A society based on castes and kinship and tribal ties is not the best basis for the same one-man command, a manifestation of initiative and other things necessary in the army. And examples of underestimating the enemy based on some supposedly congenital "cultural" shortcomings, history is full. The Americans underestimated the Japanese to the 2nd World War, the Germans-French to the 1st, the Russians and Americans to the 2nd, Vietnamese Americans, Afghans and Chechens Russians and so on and so forth.
                      5. +1
                        22 September 2019 21: 31
                        They have little equal in insurgent war. Regular army wars are a big problem. Although they fought well in the Yom Kippur war, the Israelis themselves admit. A society based on castes and kindred tribal ties is not the best basis for the same unity of command, taking initiative and other things needed in the army
                        As I understand it, consensus was reached during a fruitful discussion.
                      6. +1
                        22 September 2019 21: 46
                        Confirmed the reputation) hi
                    2. 0
                      23 September 2019 00: 14
                      Quote: Undecim
                      their training

                      winked
                    3. -4
                      23 September 2019 12: 15
                      The "Soviet adviser" could well end up abroad not only because of his qualifications, but only because of the "kickback." And the Arabs did not have to choose: no one sent other advisers. Another thing is that the average level of training in the USSR was quite high. But when it came to senior officers, who became such as a result of more careful negative selection, then sometimes they became a real laughing stock. After all, Arab officers studied in the USSR and knew very well the "details".
                  2. 0
                    23 September 2019 12: 46
                    Quote: Town Hall
                    The failure of the Arabs to fight is the result of the Arab / Israeli wars and Soviet propaganda, which explained the sad results of their advisers there.

                    Can you give an example of such propaganda? Personally, I don’t remember.
  16. Quote: Avior
    It makes sense to the Saudis to buy the most tested air defense in the world from such shelling of this type. And most importantly, in addition to this, hire the Jews themselves as personnel for these complexes smile
    And the fact that the head is chopped off is the case when there is a reason.
    it would also be necessary for that "pryntsy" who was responsible for the air defense, especially since they have a dime a dozen of these prynts.

    Quote: Ros 56
    I can’t give evidence, but God sees it without a striped hand.

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    "God knows it couldn't do without a striped hand" ... Did God tell you this?
    And God told me about the Slavic trace:
    New Year, or Slavic New Year, falls on September 14 (September 1 according to the old style). This date in the Orthodox calendar is also considered the first day of the new church year - the beginning of the indicator.
    In Russia, this day was a great holiday with many traditions and beliefs. In connection with the onset of autumn and the new year, many work in the field was completed and sitters began, that is, work in the huts at FIRE. By the way, the night before they were extinguished FIRE in the house, and in the early morning lit a "new" FIRE with special sentences about fire:
    No ax* fear - fire. Ax* chopped off, and the fire burns with the root. Fire oil** pour - add only fire. AT September*** fire in the field and in the hut **. C war**** yes they don’t joke with fire.
    * Tamahawk.
    ** Saudi
    *** September 14
    **** in Yemen
    PS What other superstitions will we exchange? am
  17. 0
    22 September 2019 14: 48
    Quote: Town Hall
    UNIVERSITIES IN SAUDI ARABIA

    Saudi professor (sitting) - what's your last name, booby?
    Saudi student (standing) - Ibn Saud.
    Saudi professor (standing) - please sit down, your rating is excellent laughing
  18. 0
    22 September 2019 15: 28
    Why did they oversleep, it was necessary and overslept, and so it is evident with a non-armed gaze provocation
  19. 0
    22 September 2019 15: 59
    Quote: Undecim
    By the way, the minus is not mine.
    Actually, I operate with facts. Including personally received. Or do you reject such a method of obtaining facts?
    In recent history, none of the 23's in the Arab world has shown the ability to independently resolve the arisen confrontation in its favor. If you have other information, I will be pleased to read it.

    Yes, it did not show ability ... It is not completely clear what this is talking about. And what has China shown in modern warfare?
  20. 0
    22 September 2019 16: 52
    Quote: Aviator_
    I don’t know what they have been teaching at King Saud University since the 1957 of the year, probably exclusively Islamic theology, only at the FLUCOM 2013 conference in Nara (Japan), where I participated, it was announced that the next conference in 2015 would be in the recently opened University of the Saudis.

    No, you can open it. But here is the name to win, and even more so to approve their school, this is more serious. Money may not help either, here all the same time is needed.
    PS. For me, for a long time, an indicator of the scientific and technological level in the country was the ability to create a turbojet engine (everything seems to be becoming clear about Higher Education, Science, Production, and military-industrial complex). Such a litmus test ...
  21. -5
    22 September 2019 17: 43
    What does it have to do with "oversleeping the blow"! Well, the US has no air defense. It doesn't work. All American weapons are all advertising, and they only work in the media. If the United States is not capable of fighting against North Korea and Venezuela, then what kind of weapon can we talk about. The United States can only print dollars, and lie to the whole world that they are a superpower. The king is naked.
  22. 0
    22 September 2019 18: 44
    A natural question arises: why not King Salman create an army of mercenaries with enough military experience, because the Saudis have a lot of money. I would use the example of France to create a foreign legion.
    1. 0
      18 October 2019 01: 03
      Then this army of mercenaries of King Salman himself will be cleaned up and his king will be replaced instead. Although to be honest: in the kingdom of Wahhabis, no one will notice the difference if they take a new candidate from the same deck.
  23. -2
    22 September 2019 19: 19
    "democratic" beast will always find a switchman and cut off his head - all these pryntsy are puppets of American and Israeli Jews since 50 years - what they say is what the Saud will do; and about the stupidity of the Arabs, so let the Jews with the Houthis fight the Houthis, the same Arabs; and all the oil has long been robbed and taken out by the same handful of Jews, preventing the growth of the population of Saudi Arabia - how many refugees accept and not at all because it is forbidden and the loot of all their "state" from oil can be stored in American banks in American banks, then in the pockets of Jews
  24. 0
    22 September 2019 20: 39
    First, you need to figure out who and what launched, and then scoff at the air defense system and the American Patriots. What were these attack UAVs, at what altitudes did they operate, if these are light UAVs, then how did they fly such a distance and how could they cause such destruction? Given the wide experience of the Americans in carrying out sabotage with aircraft, it can be assumed that this was intended, it was just that the air defense system was ordered to be silent, and the sabotage was carried out with the aim of blaming Iran for everything, which we see now.
    1. -1
      22 September 2019 20: 45
      Well, I can fully understand what was ordered to be silent. Well, the Iranians bought it, it’s a setup ...
  25. -1
    22 September 2019 20: 57
    Quote: Aviator_
    It is a first useful university. In the field of technical sciences (as well as physical and mathematical ones), the successes of graduates of the 1957 University of the year are unknown to anyone. I just quoted a delegate from Saudi Arabia, who in the 2013 year told everyone that suddenly a university had recently started working for them. I believe that he did not mean this humanitarian crap, which has been working there since 1957 of the year. By the way, for more than 20 years the Turks have had an aviation institute, I talked to graduates - very competent guys.

    I can not disagree with you. Good luck. ... We think that someone is not worthy ..
    We just do not let it come true.
  26. 0
    22 September 2019 22: 09
    There is generally a difficult question. Firstly, if the Hussites REALLY controls Iran (not in the subject, was not interested) - they simply categorically do not need an attack on the Saudis and an aggravation at their side. And here the USA is necessary. And given that the Saudi’s air defense is American, and they are directly controlled by the USA themselves - there could be anything from remote shutdown, for example, of locators, to collusion with the Saudis ...
    I understand everything about sloppiness, but the attack looks very strong
  27. Geo
    +4
    23 September 2019 00: 32
    Secondly, most of our oil industry is located in areas where conventional Tomahawks (there are no others) will not reach from the sea.
    This thesis is still past. Especially if you add gas to oil. Yamal LNG alone is worth something. And so, there are a lot of "interesting opportunities" for an adversary in our infrastructure: terminals for the shipment of hydrocarbons in ports, "streams" at the bottom of the Black and Baltic Seas, nuclear power plants near the border with the Square and so on and so forth.
    Vulnerable (and potentially reachable for the enemy level of a terrorist and non-stop) places abound, it is necessary to cover them qualitatively.
  28. -1
    23 September 2019 01: 21
    Well, to hell with them, since they are so stupid you can’t help them anyway. he is in Africa.
  29. 0
    23 September 2019 06: 39
    The Saudis turn out to be even more hands @ experiences than the Indians. A welder from the shipyard told me that he flew on a business trip to India. So, he says, he beat off all his hands on his limbs. About the military, too, a separate topic.
  30. 0
    23 September 2019 08: 17
    It seemed to me that the meaning of Putin’s statement was to buy air defense from us and you would have no problems. In the sense, there would be no attacks. Because the purchase of air defense from Russia is a serious change in the entire foreign policy.
  31. +1
    23 September 2019 08: 30
    Iranians have enough forces and means and the Strait of Hormuz to close tightly

    This is the whole trick. Last month brought new statistics from the United States, thanks to the re-conservation of oil fields in Texas and the lifting of the ban on their development, the United States turned from an oil exporter into an importer. That is, more oil is exported than imported. And completely stopped the delivery of oil from the Middle East. If earlier they fought for cheap oil and in every possible way prevented Iran from blocking the Strait of Hormuz, now expensive oil is beneficial for them and they can provoke Iran to do so. I would not be surprised that the Americans were behind the blow to Saudi Arabia. The United States and Russia benefited from sharply higher oil prices and China lost, which they are doing their best to achieve.
  32. 0
    23 September 2019 12: 26
    Every time when I am on the Kremlin Embankment, my Yandex navigator says that I got to Golitsyno ... Sometimes it teleports to the Leningrad Region ....
  33. Quote: besik
    And you are a doctor to diagnose and prescribe treatment methods?

    Are you a lawyer in order to get into other people's conflicts?
  34. Quote: nobody
    "democratic" beast will always find a switchman and cut off his head - all these pryntsy are puppets of American and Israeli Jews since 50 years - what they say is what the Saud will do; and about the stupidity of the Arabs, so let the Jews with the Houthis fight the Houthis, the same Arabs; and all the oil has long been robbed and taken out by the same handful of Jews, preventing the growth of the population of Saudi Arabia - how many refugees accept and not at all because it is forbidden and the loot of all their "state" from oil can be stored in American banks in American banks, then in the pockets of Jews

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    You are a Jewish mercenary, only write about the Jews. How much do Jews pay (taking into account your lack of education)?
    The meaning of your writing (your "ASHYPGY" are saved):
    1) Jews are omnipotent: "all these pryntsy are puppets of American and Israeli Jews since the age of 50."
    2) Jews are omnipotent: "all oil has long been robbed and taken out by the same handful of Jews"
    3) The Jews are omnipotent: "and the loot of all their" state "from oil current can be kept in American banks in the pockets of the Jews."
    The rest of your writing is impossible to understand.
    How much do Jews pay to such an ignoramus like you if there is no logical connection in your rubbish?
  35. 0
    23 September 2019 15: 08
    It was necessary to put the muezzin on guard, he would have knocked down all the UAVs with his, high-frequency, howls and howls)))
  36. +1
    23 September 2019 16: 41
    most of our oil industry is located in areas where conventional Tomahawks (there are no others) from the sea will not reach. Not to mention UASD


    The author never made any conclusions from what happened. The Saudi military has already said that drones launched from the vicinity of oil refineries. So in our case - no UAV launches from the sea are needed. The drone gathers in the barn and starts from our territory, in close proximity to the target.

    That is the danger that has not been voiced
  37. 0
    23 September 2019 17: 53
    Well, the patriot is probably not designed for such purposes, and the rest of the bamboo was smoked otherwise. It never occurred to the guys that something would actually fly to them.
  38. 0
    24 September 2019 16: 44
    Quote: musketone64
    Thus, it often happens that the advertised products do not meet the declared characteristics. We ourselves are faced with this in our daily life. Alas and ah. As for the Patriot, according to the experts, this complex was originally sharpened to combat ballistic missiles and maneuvering targets at high altitudes and ranges. With low-altitude targets, he clearly has problems. As our military and developers boast, the S-300 and other similar systems are capable of shooting down any flying objects at almost any height. On the other hand, such waste of firing expensive missiles at small targets is not justified from an economic point of view. For this, we have a short-range air defense system that can receive preliminary information from long-range complexes. I don’t know about your version of the strategic plan. They say different things. But even if this is so, then in any case, the Americans have badly substituted the reputation of their air defense complexes.

    So the Syrians also substitute your complexes. So what. They came up with excuses, versions. Well, all the chuck chuck ..
    Even live was everything. What is this talking about?
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    27 September 2019 14: 24
    The Saudis would not have been helped by any technical readiness, no organizational one would have helped either. Those who supplied and organized the "Houthis" (and the "Houthis" may also be different) could well have operated under a false flag, plus after 2 gaskets - quasi-type-Houthis, "pro-Iranian" (oh li) well wishers. There is a 99% chance that the attack on the refinery was organized by the US special services. Iran would not have climbed so clumsy and impudent, especially in a period of constant growth of tension and pressure from the Yusov-Israeli symbiont. I wouldn’t have climbed even through Yemen, since the consequences for the Iranians were not calculable about the words “absolutely”. The attack on the refinery is a pure hello from Jared Kushner and his father-in-law, the president, companions essno.

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