1812: our climate and our winter fought for us?

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The main thing is to outsmart


12 failures by Napoleon Bonaparte. On the eve of the decisive battle with Napoleon, Russia made a deceptive impression of a power that was by no means willing and, by and large, not ready for war. At the same time, it is simply amazing how usually the secretive Alexander described in detail to the future enemy how he was going to fight.


Alexander I. Was it not at his suggestion that the French and Germans kept repeating that they had been defeated by General Moroz?




In May 1811, the king informed the French Ambassador Kolenkur:
“If the Emperor Napoleon starts a war against me, it is possible and even likely that he will beat us if we accept the battle, but this will not give him peace. ... For us - an immense space, and we will maintain a well-organized army. ... if the lot weapons If he decides against me, then I would rather retreat to Kamchatka than give up my provinces and sign agreements in my capital, which are only a respite. The Frenchman is brave, but long hardships and a poor climate tire and discourage him. Our climate and our winter will fight for us. ”


Obviously, they did not believe Alexander in Paris, taking his words for ostentatious bravado. But in this case, he spoke very sincerely. Kutuzov’s characteristic statement regarding Napoleon is well known: “I can’t defeat, I’ll try to outsmart”. It is unlikely that Alexander was in this disagree with the one whom he soon appointed commander in chief.

So, long before the outbreak of hostilities in St. Petersburg, we decided on the main components of the strategy to fight Napoleon: evading the general battle, retreating inland (and, as Volzogen planned, two armies will retreating), incessant harassing attacks and disruption of communications, in including through sabotage and partisan raids.

The climatic factor was also taken into account. Obviously, even then the probability of surrender of one of the capitals was not ruled out. It is possible that precisely for this reason, Alexander took the abandonment of Moscow quite calmly. In a letter to the same Bernadotte, he rightly remarked: "This is a cruel loss, but more in relation to moral and political than military."

It remains to add that thanks to the brilliant work of Russian intelligence under the leadership of Colonel Muravyov, Petersburg was informed in detail about the state of Napoleonic troops. And by the beginning of the war, Alexander and his Minister of War knew perfectly well what they needed to do, what the enemy was going to do and what he was capable of.

The development of an immediate plan of action for the Russian army is associated with the name of the Prussian general Karl Ful. Fula and his plan were not scolded except by the lazy one, beginning with his former subordinate and namesake Clausewitz and ending with modern historians, both domestic and foreign. But this option itself did not play, and indeed should not have played a decisive role.

As you know, in accordance with it, Russian troops were divided into three armies. A similar division was present in all pre-war developments, which, of course, was not an accident, much less a miscalculation. The division excluded the possibility of a frontier general battle and significantly reduced the risk of a complete defeat of the army, creating the prerequisites for a further retreat.


On French maps to the public, the invasion of Russia looks somehow modest


In accordance with the behavior of the enemy, Napoleon also had to redistribute his forces. And what is fraught with such a division for the French commander, a clear example of Waterloo was shown. The consequences during the Russian campaign, of course, were not so dramatic, but they were.

Coordination of actions was violated, conditions arose for various inconsistencies, misunderstandings and even conflicts between military leaders, similar to the "showdown" between Jerome Bonaparte and Marshal Davout. All this directly affected the effectiveness of operations of the Great Army. It is difficult to say whether analysts of the Russian military department took this factor into account, which, nevertheless, played into our hands.

As for the idea of ​​Ful with the Drisse fortified camp, which was supposed to play an important role in the confrontation with the French and did not play it, it is hardly worth exaggerating this secondary circumstance, which did not critically affect the course of hostilities.

Patience Brings Victory


The 1 Army under Barclay spent only five days in the Dries camp. On July 1, the emperor arrived here, on the same day a military council took place, where it was decided to leave the camp, the 1 Army on the next day to withdraw to Vitebsk and further to connect with the 2 Army of Bagration. That is, the initial plan did not fundamentally change, but was only adjusted taking into account the operational situation.

However, the most elaborate plan still needs to be implemented. Only to whom? Alexander left the army without appointing a commander in chief. The emperor could not help but realize that such a strange decision greatly complicates the command and control of the troops, prevents them from carrying out their tasks and puts commanders in an ambiguous position. But he had his own reasons for doing so.

The unfolding "Scythian war" came into sharp conflict with the patriotic upsurge in the country. Alexander, whose grandfather and father lost their lives and power as a result of a conspiracy of disgruntled nobles, could not ignore public opinion. He could not refuse the strategy of retreating inland - the only one capable of bringing success.

There was a paradoxical situation. On the one hand, the authorities in every possible way encouraged the growth of anti-French sentiments and called for a mortal struggle against the invaders, and on the other, they consistently implemented the war plan, which included evading decisive clashes with the enemy.

The way out of this situation could not be optimal. Actually, he was not there. Alexander considered it best to distance himself from the leadership of the army, which means - as far as possible in principle, to relieve himself of responsibility for what is happening.

Formal anarchy in the troops allowed the emperor, as if from outside, to observe the confrontation between the "patriot" Bagration and the "traitor" Barclay, who was tearing into battle, waiting for how it would end. It was an extremely risky game, but the king decided that other options are fraught with even greater threats.


Barclay de Tolly and Bagration did not stop competing even under the leadership of Kutuzov


Alexander’s subjects, longing for the victory of Russian weapons, stubbornly rejected the only opportunity to win this victory. The main "culprit" of Barclay de Tolly's retreat, his closest assistants, Volzogen and Levenstern, and at the same time all the other generals with "wrong" names, turned out to be a convenient target for defamation.

The "Russian Party" violently attacked the "German defeatists", accusing them of cowardice, indifference to the fate of the Fatherland, and even direct treason. However, it is difficult to separate the insulted sense of national pride and sincere delusions from selfish motives: the desire to amuse the wounded ambition and quietly improve one's career position.

Of course, arrows aimed at the Minister of War, touched the emperor. And the further, the more. However, Alexander waited as much as possible, and removed Barclay from the army only after the combined armies left Smolensk. “The Moor has done his job”: the pre-war plan was broadly implemented - the enemy was lured inland, threatening his communications and preserving the combat-ready army.

However, a further retreat led by a military leader with a reputation as Barclay was fraught with an explosion. The commander-in-chief was urgently needed, whose appointment seemed to cross out the prolonged period of imaginary failures and open a new stage in the campaign. It required a person who was able to inspire the army and people.


S.V. Gerasimov. “Arrival M.I. Kutuzov in Tsarevo-Zaimishche »


Mikhail Illarionovich Kutuzov with his surname and public relations, as was already written in "Military Review", was all right. The army left "talk, and only", but "Kutuzov arrived to beat the French."

The Most Serene Prince was an experienced and talented general, but at that moment other qualities came to the fore. Kutuzov was popular, and in addition, he was distinguished by the cunning of Odysseus and the ability to slip between Scylla and Charybdis or climb into the eye of a needle.

You can’t retreat


The new commander had to solve the following puzzle: "you can’t retreat to fight." And Kutuzov began to dot the right place: first he retreated, then he gave battle. He retreated because the operational situation required it, and gave battle, because Russia would not have taken a different decision.

Although Kutuzov had left without a fight, the French, oddly enough, would have been in Moscow in an even more difficult situation. Indeed, without losses incurred near Borodin, they needed more food and fodder, more effort to manage and maintain discipline. But Kutuzov or any other commander in his place could not have acted otherwise: the moral factor at that moment was of key importance.

In the battle of Borodino, Kutuzov faced the task of at least preventing the crushing defeat of the Russian army, and it was successfully solved. Next came the final phase of the campaign. All conditions for its successful completion have been created. Noteworthy is the fact that the main food bases for the army were located in Novgorod, Tver, Trubchevsk - a hundred miles south of Bryansk, and in Sosnitsy in the Chernihiv region, exactly on the periphery of the theater of operations.

Their location perfectly matched the balance of power that arose after the loss of Moscow and the Tarutin maneuver, when Russian troops reliably covered the northwestern and southwestern directions.

Given the fact that the production of weapons and their storage was concentrated in Tula, as well as Petersburg and its environs, the Russian troops (including the Wittgenstein corps, which successfully operated near Polotsk, and the 3 army in Volhynia) relied heavily on the rear, which could quickly provide them in the right amount with everything you need. And the rear of Napoleon was almost his complete absence, constantly interrupted by a thin line of thousand-kilometer communication.

1812: our climate and our winter fought for us?


I would not want to represent Napoleon as a naive simpleton, which he was not. So Bonaparte correctly assessed the appointment of Kutuzov as Alexander’s concession to the nobility, correctly assumed that the new Russian commander would give a general battle, which would then turn into the surrender of Moscow.

But unraveling the intentions of the enemy, Bonaparte did not derive practical benefit from this. This feature of Napoleon’s behavior was characteristic of him throughout the campaign: the Corsican seemed to really assess the situation and the impending risks, but this almost did not affect his actions.

There is no secret here. Literally from the first to the last minute of his stay in Russia, Bonaparte played according to the rules imposed by the enemy. Alexander had his own script, which he followed, as far as the situation allowed him.

After Napoleon’s plan to give a big frontier battle turned out to be unrealistic, the Great Army did not have a new strategic plan. Climbing deeper and deeper into Russia, the French continued to wage their "Central European War", as if not noticing that they were acting under the dictation of the Russians, steadily approaching death.


Not everyone will be able to discern in this picture the profile of the Egyptian sphinx. Painter Wojciech Kossak (Poland), “The 1812 War of the Year”.


This is not to say that Napoleon did not foresee a fatal outcome. Even before going to Russia, he declared to Austrian Chancellor Metternich: “The triumph will be the lot of the more patient. I will open the campaign by crossing the Neman. I will finish it in Smolensk and Minsk. I will stay there. ”

However, he did not stop. Three times - in Vilna, Vitebsk and Smolensk - the emperor seriously thought about the appropriateness of further advancement. Moreover, in Smolensk, he was advised to stop even such desperate heads as Ney and Murat.

With perseverance worthy of a better application, Napoleon did not want to take an example of patience from the enemy, but continued to climb into a set trap. The emperor clearly recognized that a halt, let alone a retreat from Russia without concrete results, would be perceived by Europe as an obvious sign of weakness, and the allies, who today devotedly look into his eyes, will clutch their throats tomorrow.

“My empire will collapse as soon as I stop being terrible ... Both inside and outside I reign because of the fear that I inspire ... That’s what my situation is and what are the motives of my behavior!”

Napoleon admitted in a conversation with his close associate long before the invasion of Russia. Fear of ceasing to be terrible drove the emperor forward in the hope of his lucky star, which was relentlessly declining.
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  1. +7
    23 September 2019 07: 25
    In short, Russians demonstrated aikido to the French.
  2. +7
    23 September 2019 07: 58
    When God wants to punish someone, he robs his mind!
    1. +2
      23 September 2019 14: 18
      Well said
      1. +3
        23 September 2019 21: 22
        Nothing new, General Winter defeated Napoleon. And in the summer of 1941, the Germans were terribly disturbed by the heat and this omnipresent dust! Then they began to overcome General Slyakot (Slaughter). Hitler was looking forward to frosts (for the capture of Moscow), so that the roads were hard again and he could again maneuver with technology. Frost has come - again they feel bad. In a word, the ridiculous excuses of the losing parties.

        Please note that General Frost is dressed in a Cossack uniform in a French caricature. Apparently the Cossacks, the paddlers were more afraid than the cold!
  3. +3
    23 September 2019 08: 01
    Not everyone will be able to discern in this picture the profile of the Egyptian sphinx.

    ... by the way, with a nose shot precisely by the French, he was portrayed by a Pole ...
    1. +6
      23 September 2019 14: 19
      Quote: RWMos
      by the way, with a nose shot precisely by the French, he was portrayed by a Pole ...

      Actually, the Sphinx’s face was destructible from the Arab conquest of Egypt onwards - the French did not shoot at it (remember the destruction of Petra and Palmyra by Arabs and other Muslims). Everything is simple to the point of banality - Islam forbids images of living beings, especially humans (according to a number of Orthodox theologians, the spirit who dictated the beginning of Islam in the darkness of the cave on Mount Hira Muhammad clearly hated man as the best creation, hence the ban on images, cleverly disguised supposedly to combat idolatry). Accordingly, most of the ancient Egyptian statues were just destroyed by Muslims, or at least their faces were destroyed.
      1. +4
        23 September 2019 16: 52
        I remember, I was in Petra, so the Jordanian guide was there, he said that they, the Byzantine bastards, had destroyed ancient images, not at all peaceful and tolerant Muslims
        1. +1
          23 September 2019 17: 11
          They envy me, I didn’t get to Petra, it turned out to be very expensive.
        2. 0
          24 September 2019 14: 37
          Quote: sivuch
          I remember, I was in Petra, so the Jordanian guide was there, he said that they, the Byzantine bastards, had destroyed ancient images, not at all peaceful and tolerant Muslims

          Oh how, for them Byzantium is still a hostile civilization, and for us - the heiress of Rome and the source of our civilization.

          Late Roman and Byzantine Christians did indeed destroy some ancient statues and temples, but the most terrifying and odious deities. Various sinful materials, such as black magic guides and collections of prayers of a pagan deity, etc. were simply withdrawn from the same Alexandria library (which was first severely damaged when the city was taken by the legions of Caesar). (which by the way made up a significant part of the books there); essays on history, engineering, biology, etc. were left intact.

          But in the 7th century, Muslims came to Byzantine Egypt - and the well-known correspondence of the Arab commander Amr, who conquered this country, with the Caliph Omar, was preserved - in the style: we captured a huge library, what should we do? - If these are modern books, then we have the Koran given by Allah, everything that we need is written in it, and they are superfluous. If these are books of the Jahiliyah period (pre-Islamic "time of ignorance"), then they are simply harmful, and in any case it is better to burn them.

          After this, the baths of Alexandria and the newly built Cairo were drowned for several years with manuscripts of the Alexandria Library ...

          So it was with statues, images, etc.
  4. +4
    23 September 2019 08: 04
    A good article, an interesting point of view, but not certain. Some important aspects are not considered at all - for example, partisan actions. A plus.
    1. +1
      23 September 2019 09: 11
      You are right, there is not much to understand what happened
      The French BEFORE the attack on the RUSSIAN EMPIRE and AFTER the defeat were completely different. Fear for the deed was universal. Therefore, it is not surprising that they managed to lose to the British.
      Why in RUSSIA is such a respectful attitude towards European integrators that * then * what followers?
      They did not conceal the goals of the seizure of the RUSSIAN EMPIRE nor even HOW they would seize and divide the land. It is surprising that even then and today even in RUSSIA there are fans of Napoleon with an unconditional faith in * culture and so on .... * of the French, in spite of the fact that the French themselves wrote about their plans.
      It is interesting to trace the writings BEFORE the * great campaign * and immediately after it, and quite different things, decades later wrote.
      It is very similar to how in Europe they wrote and write about WWII. It began with bravura articles, with greatness of plans, then shame and repentance for the deed and FEAR of punishment for the deed, then attempts to analyze failures and today the appointment of losers and ways to avoid failures in the future conquest.
  5. +10
    23 September 2019 09: 25
    In 1869 the French engineer Charles Joseph Minard, one of the pioneers of graphic analysis, published a map of Napoleon Bonaparte's invasion of Russia in 1812 (("Carte figurative des pertes successives en hommes de l'Armée française dans la campagne de Russie en 1812-1813" ), which graphically presented the change in the size of the French army during the campaign.

    The brown (offensive) and black (retreat) lines show a change in the size of the army at various geographical points of its presence.
    Below shows the change in air temperature during the French retreat. the temperature is given on the Reaumur scale, for conversion to degrees Celsius it is necessary to multiply by 1,25
  6. +3
    23 September 2019 09: 41
    Barclay was removed from the army only after the combined armies left Smolensk.
    No one removed Barclay from the army and he remained the commander of the 1st Army. He was the commander in chief only because this post was vacant, and Barclay remained the Minister of War
  7. +6
    23 September 2019 10: 07
    The development of an immediate plan of action for the Russian army is associated with the name of the Prussian general Karl Ful. Fula and his plan were not scolded except by the lazy one, beginning with his former subordinate and namesake Clausewitz and ending with modern historians, both domestic and foreign. But this option itself did not play, and indeed should not have played a decisive role.
    Ful is blamed completely in vain and out of ignorance, since he just brought into practical form a plan that he did not propose.
    The ideas of retreating and avoiding a general battle with a superior enemy were put forward by the aide-de-camp of Alexander I, Baron L. Wolzogen, Count A. d'Allonville, aide-de-camp of the Prussian king K.F. Knesebec. The general principles of such a strategy were developed by the Prussian theoretician D.G. Bülow.
    For example, Ludwig Wolzogen's plan, entitled "Memoir of Napoleon and the Art of Waging War against Him", was drawn up back in 1809 at the suggestion of Prince Eugene of Württemberg. In August 1810 he was introduced to Prince P.M. Volkonsky. Wolzogen put forward the idea of ​​widespread use of fortified positions at points of retreat and providing the theater of war with fortresses and fortified camps, but not for covering and defending borders, but as strong points to which the army could retreat and, holding them, gain time. Making a prerequisite for the superiority of forces over Napoleon, L. Wolzogen recommended operating with two armies with retreat routes in diverging directions so that the army to which the main attack would be directed would retreat to a fortified camp, while the other would assist it with strong demonstrations against enemy communications.
    1. +3
      23 September 2019 11: 27
      Here is just a specific place - i.e., the fortified camp near Drissa suggested, the NLA, namely Pful. By analogy with Torres-Vedras, not paying attention to the fundamental difference - the British had a sea behind them, and their own. And thank God that they did not even try to protect this camp - Friedland would have seemed like flowers.
      1. +2
        23 September 2019 12: 21
        Here is just a specific place - that is, the fortified camp at Drissa suggested, NNP, namely Pful.
        Pful is just a performer. The question is to who appointed such an artist.
        1. +2
          23 September 2019 14: 33
          Victor Nikolaevich, here you ask Alexander 1. About this it is unlikely that such an appointment could happen without the consent of the emperor.
          1. +3
            23 September 2019 15: 13
            Do not rush to write a comment, first try to familiarize yourself with the question yourself. Then maybe you don’t have to write.
            Alexander I, who saw him as an outstanding strategist, personally commissioned Pful to plan the campaign against Napoleon.
            1. 0
              24 September 2019 10: 27
              Even before the attack on June 12, 1812, Alexander wrote to Klencourt: "I will retreat even as far as Kamchatka and the French troops will have to fight against Russian nature!"
              1. 0
                24 September 2019 20: 55
                Count Rostopchin, even before the French crossed the Neman, wrote to Emperor Alexander: "Your empire has two powerful defenders in its vastness and climate ... The Russian emperor will always be menacing in Moscow, terrible in Kiev, invincible in Tobolsk."
      2. 0
        23 September 2019 14: 23
        Quote: sivuch
        Here is just a specific place - i.e., the fortified camp near Drissa suggested, the NLA, namely Pful. By analogy with Torres-Vedras, not paying attention to the fundamental difference - the British had a sea behind them, and

        Well, I don’t know, Wellington in Spain, more precisely in Portugal (therefore Turres-Vedrush), made excellent use of fortified lines against the superior French forces, and nothing like that. Could it be performance?

        After all, the defense of cities like Smolensk came down precisely to their use as outposts to detain the French and squander their forces (although often the results were at best approximately equal for us).
        1. +3
          23 September 2019 15: 14
          You read Clausewitz, "1812", everything is described in detail there.
        2. +2
          23 September 2019 17: 09
          With Torres Vedras, the situation was fundamentally different, but ours knew something about how the French unsuccessfully stormed the fortifications and decided to do the same. "We heard the ringing, but did not know where he was."
          By the way, individual chapters from the Full plan are given in Sokolov's book "The Battle of Two Empires. 1805-1812". Nonsense of a gray mare, you cannot say otherwise. Well, Alexander loved foreigners, a liberal, damn it ... sad
        3. 0
          25 September 2019 10: 18
          Quote: Mikhail Matyugin
          After all, the defense of cities like Smolensk came down precisely to their use as outposts to detain the French and squander their forces (although often the results were at best approximately equal for us).
          Smolensk was not properly prepared for defense. Old earthen fortifications of the bastion type did not have proper fortification. During the 2 weeks that our troops were in Smolensk, they did not correct the earthen fortifications and did not make new ones. The brick walls of two hundred years ago, 13-19 m high and 5-6 m thick, an earthen fortress (The Royal Bastion, built by the Poles in 1626-1632), guns, trenches and the heroic rebuff of the Russian army stopped Napoleon's army only for a day.
          1. +1
            26 September 2019 13: 35
            Quote: ivan petrov_9
            Smolensk was not properly prepared for defense.

            I did not know, but I had some idea why Smolensk was so easily taken, and our losses there were enormous. You see how it turned out - that it was necessary to strengthen, it was not strengthened (and inexplicably - in 2 weeks it was possible to prepare a powerful fortified line with the center in Smolensk, and the city itself to be strengthened significantly), won the Borodino position in a couple of days ...
    2. +2
      23 September 2019 14: 29
      In practice, it turned out almost like this, but Dries is not in demand.
      Even in our regiment they insisted that the retreat from the Neman was forced
  8. +2
    23 September 2019 14: 55
    "thanks to the brilliant work of Russian intelligence under the leadership of Colonel Muravyov, St. Petersburg was informed in detail about the state of Napoleon's troops" in contrast to Napoleon. I have read enthusiastic assessments of Fouche, Napoleon's police minister, and Fouche was unable or unwilling to paralyze the work of Russian intelligence.
    Even before the start of the war with Russia, the Russian military atache Chernyshev left Paris, he took away Napoleon’s detailed plans against Russia, and Fouchet slammed his ears here.
    ps
    It can be assumed that the Russians brilliantly worked both intelligence and counterintelligence. I doubt that a commander like Napoleon ignored intelligence
  9. +5
    23 September 2019 17: 00
    Quote: Vasily50
    They did not conceal the goals of the seizure of the RUSSIAN EMPIRE nor even HOW they would seize and divide the land.

    You did not confuse Napoleon with Hitler?
    Here for a week they have been writing that Napoleon did not have any plans to seize and divide the Russian lands. Generally. From the word "absolutely".
    But it was the Russian Empire that seized both a pretty piece of Poland and Finland. Well, Russian tsarism was not a meek and innocent lamb. Such a normal, aggressive system. No worse and no better than others.
    1. 0
      24 September 2019 10: 56
      Apparently, the school teaches that Napoleon is an aggressor against Russia, but that Paul was an ally of Napoleon after Malta and after the emperor Napoleon returned all captured Russian soldiers to Pavel by sewing them new uniforms and paying salaries for the whole time in captivity! Paul appreciated it ...
    2. +1
      24 September 2019 14: 17
      Quote: Tavrik
      You did not confuse Napoleon with Hitler?
      Here for a week they have been writing that Napoleon did not have any plans to seize and divide the Russian lands. Generally. From the word "absolutely".

      Accusing Charles XII and Napoleon I of Hitler’s plans is the main trend of Soviet and Russian historical literature for many years, so why are you so surprised?

      Napoleon didn’t even abolish serfdom in Russia, although many advised him to do this, and if that had happened, then it’s not at all a fact that the Russian imperial army could have recruited new recruits in such numbers (as you know, peasants who didn’t fall into a recruit in 1812, crying from resentment and giving bribes to elders to join the army - a unique case in history, usually it was the other way around), and a guerrilla war would not have started against itself.

      But in general, Poland, the Baltic States and Western Ukraine were then part of the Russian Empire - and Napoleon just planned to tear it away and transfer it to his allies - the same Prussia, the Duchy of Warsaw and Austria, and planned to transfer part of the newly acquired territories to the Ottoman Empire in case of victory.

      Quote: Tavrik
      Well, Russian tsarism was not a meek and innocent lamb. Such a normal, aggressive system.
      I would say that I went from Europe through Asia to the Pacific Ocean - and it could be compared only with three powers that could also colonize entire continents - Spain, Great Britain and, later, the USA.
  10. +1
    23 September 2019 17: 05
    Quote: Astra wild
    Even before the start of the war with Russia, the Russian military atache Chernyshev left Paris, he took away Napoleon’s detailed plans against Russia, and Fouchet slammed his ears here.
    ps
    It can be assumed that the Russians brilliantly worked both intelligence and counterintelligence. I doubt that a commander like Napoleon ignored intelligence

    The Chernyshov case did not take place along the Fouche line, but along the Savary line. Espionage was exposed (counterintelligence worked). Chernyshov was released, his French assistants were executed one, others were amnestied. Napoleon did not even stir up an information war of the type: "confirmation of Russia's aggressive intentions in the form of espionage." Well, he did not want to inflate anti-Russian sentiments in society.
  11. +1
    23 September 2019 18: 04
    Quote: sivuch
    not peaceful and tolerant Muslims

    Aha
  12. +1
    23 September 2019 20: 54
    Lord Where are we going to bury you?
    1. -2
      24 September 2019 09: 39
      Everyone has long known that the war of 1812 is the fault of Russia itself and of Alexander personally!
      1. 0
        24 September 2019 13: 41
        Yeah! In general, Russia and others like it are to blame for all wars! Even the Yumba-Yumba tribe attacked the Yumba-Yumba at the instigation of Moscow! am
        May be enough? Or, in your opinion, the refusal to extradite the Russian princess for the keeper is worth a whole war? wassat And the anti-Bonaparte unions in Europe who just did not conclude! Not only Russia, actually ... belay
    2. 0
      24 September 2019 14: 25
      Quote: starpur
      Lord Where are we going to bury you?

      During the Napoleonic Wars, even after big battles, not to mention the terrible losses on both sides in the 1812 year, corpses were not usually buried (only prominent officers), usually burned.

      Very often, the corpses of the fallen after the battle were dumped into the river (if the battle took place near the river or on it), so as not to bother with burials - this was the case, for example, with Friedland, with Aspern-Essling, with Berezin, etc.

      Mass graves on the roads of war after the invasion of the 1812 year, Russians, Poles and Litvinians carried out up to the 1814 year, inclusive, found too many bodies and skeletons ...
  13. 0
    24 September 2019 09: 31
    In Smolensk, Bonopart said the War in Russia is a war 2 years in 1813 I will take Moscow and in 1814 I will take S. Petersburg. Alexander himself is to blame for the war with Napoleon!
  14. +4
    24 September 2019 09: 42
    Purely technically very strange war in which it is not clear what results were supposed to be achieved at all, except for the destruction of the Russian army for the sake of destruction. In the Second World War, the Germans could force the Red Army to take certain actions to hold on to some prom. district, etc. Napoleon’s invasion is a strip of kilometers in 300 thick, in which there were no objects whose capture would cause the Russian army to recapture them, or hold them at any cost. Of course, the Russian army, which at that time was seriously outnumbered, simply did not enter into large batches. But the climate, so a significant part of the horses from the French will die before the snowfalls, it’s like the realities of the war of those years. The military contingents of tens of thousands of people without population density, as in the 20 century and fur. vehicles can move exclusively from one food supply with forage to another. In the Red Army in the 1942, for example, offensive operations to great depths were simply impossible due to the loss of mechanical connections.

    Most likely, Napoleon had a poor idea of ​​what it was, Russia thought it was possible to act as against some European duchy, which could be captured immediately, which would mean a battle, or a chain of battles, where Napoleon most likely wins, after which the enemy signs a surrender.

    In the realities of the turn of the 18-19 centuries. Russia could be defeated only in the border areas, after which it would be possible to chop off the territory by 100-200 km in depth, which could be controlled. Well, or I don’t know, try to seize the same Poland, but it’s not clear where to stomp under the November snows that the Russians have no reason to give up, and you have nothing to eat.
  15. +2
    24 September 2019 12: 27
    Quote: EvilLion
    Napoleon had a poor idea of ​​what it was all about, Russia thought it was possible to act like against some kind of European duchy,

    Well, yes, I thought that "Russia is tse Europe", but it turned out - Asia. laughing
    He knew everything perfectly. And about the climate, and about geography and about the state of the Russian army. I did not know only what ours would do. Ours, ourselves until the last day, not knowing what to do, torn between the old plans for an attack on Warsaw, defense in a certain strip (camp), retreating inland, confused ourselves and Napoleon. Scythians, what to take from them ... wink
    As a result, the pursuit of the Russian army began. The situation is stalemate: it is impossible to stop without reaching the fulfillment of tasks, and to move further behind the Russians is mortally dangerous ...
  16. +1
    24 September 2019 14: 58
    Quote: Mikhail Matyugin
    But in general, Poland, the Baltic States and Western Ukraine were then part of the Russian Empire - and Napoleon just planned to tear it away and transfer it to his allies - the same Prussia, the Duchy of Warsaw and Austria, and planned to transfer part of the newly acquired territories to the Ottoman Empire in case of victory.

    Well it wasn’t! He did not plan to dismember the Russian Empire !!! There are no documents on this subject.
    It is especially strong to give something to the Ottomans .. Napoleon was just offering Alexander joint ownership of the Black Sea spills and joint control of the passage to (from) the Mediterranean. What about the Turks? And you weren’t standing here!
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    24 September 2019 20: 24
    The most interesting thing in this whole story is that Napoleon many times suggested that Russia enter into an alliance with him against England and did not intend to fight with us. Paul I was going to do this for which he was killed by the conspirators at the suggestion of the British ambassador to Russia .. If Russia entered into a continental alliance with Napoleon against England, then it could win and gain a lot. But as always, Angia outwitted and deceived Russia. The overall result was against Russia.
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      25 September 2019 09: 36
      Quote: colotun
      But as always, Angia outwitted and deceived Russia.
      Moreover, in 1807 Britain fought with the Russian Empire and in 1809 helped Persia in the war against Russia.
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        26 September 2019 13: 37
        Quote: ivan petrov_9
        Britain fought with the Russian Empire since 1807

        Well this is so, the war was not to be serious.

        Quote: ivan petrov_9
        and from the 1809 year it helped Persia in the war against Russia.

        And this is one of the first heralds of the "Big Game"
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    27 September 2019 23: 57
    The author correctly conveyed his thought ... Respect to him .. I would like to continue .. What prevented Kutuzov from gaining the upper hand near Borodino ..?