Kiev wants a new 10-year gas transit contract

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Kiev intends to offer Moscow a new contract for gas transit through the Ukrainian gas transportation system for another 10 years. This was stated by Minister of Energy and Environmental Protection of Ukraine Oleksiy Orzhel.

Kiev wants a new 10-year gas transit contract




Speaking at a briefing after a meeting of the Ukrainian government, Orgel said that at the upcoming tripartite consultations in Brussels on Thursday, in which the EU will participate in addition to Ukraine and Russia, Kiev will offer Moscow to conclude an 10-year contract for gas transit through Ukraine with a minimum pumping volume in 60 billion cubic meters of gas per year. At the same time, Russia will be given the opportunity to prescribe in the agreement the possibility of increasing pumping to 90 billion cubic meters of gas per year. According to him, the position of Ukraine is supported by the EU.

We have a position that was previously voiced by the Deputy Chairman of the European Commission Marosh Shefchovich. We support her. There were named certain volumes regarding transportation and specific dates. We fully support this position - 60 billion plus 30 billion for 10 years. We will adhere to this position in the negotiations

- the minister said.

Earlier, the executive director of Naftogaz of Ukraine Yuriy Vitrenko said that if Russia stops the transit of gas through Ukraine from 1 on January 2020, Ukraine will seek compensation in the amount of 11-14 billion dollars.

Meanwhile, Gazprom did not comment on the statement of Kiev. Recall that earlier Ukraine was invited to extend the current contract for a year. In turn, the Kremlin said that they did not expect concrete decisions after tripartite consultations.

Will you be able to agree? I think you should not expect any specific agreements from this meeting. Of course, there is still a lot of painstaking work to be done.

- said the press secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov.
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  1. +19
    18 September 2019 17: 05
    Lip-grinding machines at retail and wholesale ... cheap
    1. +30
      18 September 2019 17: 18
      As soon as winter approaches, then abruptly all Russophobic and anti-Russian screams in Kiev abruptly stop and just hear a quiet one give a discount, we are "brothers" .. And the debt of 3 billion (now more with interest) is not going to return to us. ...
      We got used to the fact that Russia is a generous and kind soul and will again agree ..
      And as soon as we sign the treaty, the shelling of Donbass will begin intensive and scream to the whole world about occupation and the threat .. Oh Russia angry
      1. +7
        18 September 2019 17: 36
        Quote: Kontrik
        and scream to the whole world about occupation and the threat ..

        How can such a gathering (supposedly "country") demand something, or dictate any conditions !? If they liked stealing billions of dollars in gas, then the shop is over! And for the EU to offer gas sales on the Russian border! And let them deal with the thieves themselves!
        1. +12
          18 September 2019 18: 47
          I have a gas pipe at the border of the site.
          But he doesn’t enter my house under construction. crying
          It is also necessary to demand compensation. wassat
          1. +2
            19 September 2019 05: 10
            I have a gas pipe at the border of the site.
            "Servitude" will not work in Russia. And when you want to connect to that gas, they will say that the pressure of that pipe is not enough, and ask for money to build a new line.
            I have gas pipes in 15, 25, and 32 meters from the 3 sides of the border of the new house, do they have enough pressure for one medium-sized house!? ... They asked for 3 036 530,00 rubles, for a new 656 line meters ....
            In sportloto or something to write ...
        2. 0
          18 September 2019 21: 48
          And for the EU to offer gas sales on the border of the Russian Federation!

          And for half the price.
      2. -1
        18 September 2019 18: 16
        Quote: Kontrik
        As soon as winter approaches, then abruptly all Russophobic and anti-Russian screams in Kiev abruptly stop and just hear a quiet one give a discount, we are "brothers" .. And the debt of 3 billion (now more with interest) is not going to return to us. ...
        We got used to the fact that Russia is a generous and kind soul and will again agree ..
        And as soon as we sign the treaty, the shelling of Donbass will begin intensive and scream to the whole world about occupation and the threat .. Oh Russia angry

        The problem for the Russian leadership is that the conditions for concluding an agreement on gas transit through Ukraine will not be set by some Kiev clowns, but by the European Union ... which, if the Russian leadership refuses to keep the Bandera supporters imposed by the EU, at one moment will be able to do all these Gazprom's Nord Streams - a warehouse of empty pipes at the bottom of the Baltic Sea.
        1. +14
          18 September 2019 18: 56
          Quote: Greg Miller
          in one moment will be able to make all these Gazprom Nord Streams - a warehouse of empty pipes at the bottom of the Baltic Sea

          In SP-2 half of the cost is the investment of European energy giants, so that is not for one Gazprom ...
          1. -7
            18 September 2019 22: 12
            Quote: BrTurin
            Quote: Greg Miller
            in one moment will be able to make all these Gazprom Nord Streams - a warehouse of empty pipes at the bottom of the Baltic Sea

            In SP-2 half of the cost is the investment of European energy giants, so that is not for one Gazprom ...

            It is in Russia that the energy giants run the show, and in the EU, the politicians. So Germany recently began the demolition of a fully built nuclear power plant, which did not work a day !!! On the sole reason that the owners did not draw up the construction documents correctly! Officials in the EU do not care about the opinion of the "energy giants" ...
            1. +4
              18 September 2019 22: 36
              Quote: Greg Miller
              Germany recently launched the demolition of a fully constructed nuclear power plant

              And here the EU, Germany has adopted a program to abandon nuclear power plants, the last German nuclear power plant will be decommissioned at the end of 2022. So, why introduce new ones when they will stop existing ones. And then the rejection of coal stations. Only winter has not been canceled. Merkel - "I get (from Russia) 38% of my natural gas, I cannot freeze my people."
        2. +15
          18 September 2019 18: 57
          Will Europe refuse to buy gas from Russia if there is no transit through the outskirts? To spite a neighbor’s ears frostbite? Yes, Europe does not care about the outskirts, it needs warmth in winter, but cheaper.)))
          1. 0
            18 September 2019 21: 50
            Will Europe refuse to buy gas from Russia if there is no transit through the outskirts?

            Exactly. They provide unprecedented support to Ukraine in this matter. And the continuation of transit was their key condition for the construction of flows as well.
        3. +5
          18 September 2019 20: 28
          Quote: Greg Miller
          The problem for the Russian leadership is that the conditions for concluding an agreement on gas transit through Ukraine will be set not by some Kiev clowns, but by the European Union ..

          It’s all by itself, for this both the North and South Stream are being built .. hi
          Quote: Greg Miller
          all these Gazprom's Nord Streams are a warehouse of empty pipes at the bottom of the Baltic Sea.

          For God's sake, China needs gas there, more and more. Or North Korea will do it, let them develop .. Interestingly, our gas, we are scared of Russia hehe
          P / S / Bulgaria finally approved the passage of the South Stream .. We need to give these "brothers" to the Turks, let them have fun again hi And they must be abused by them .. And to hell with them!
          1. 0
            18 September 2019 22: 17
            Quote: Kontrik
            Quote: Greg Miller
            The problem for the Russian leadership is that the conditions for concluding an agreement on gas transit through Ukraine will be set not by some Kiev clowns, but by the European Union ..

            It’s all by itself, for this both the North and South Stream are being built .. hi
            Quote: Greg Miller
            all these Gazprom's Nord Streams are a warehouse of empty pipes at the bottom of the Baltic Sea.

            For God's sake, China needs gas there, more and more. Or North Korea will do it, let them develop .. Interestingly, our gas, we are scared of Russia hehe
            P / S / Bulgaria finally approved the passage of the South Stream .. We need to give these "brothers" to the Turks, let them have fun again hi And they must be abused by them .. And to hell with them!

            I totally agree with you! hi You need to develop your country !!! We have cities with millionaires, like Omsk, are still fired with coal! But the owners of Russia do not need rubles and the development of their country, but euros, dollars and life in the West ...
            1. -2
              19 September 2019 16: 34
              Quote: Greg Miller
              But the owners of Russia do not need rubles and the development of their country, but euros, dollars and life in the West ...

              what is life in the west when they are sanctioned? inconsistency wink
        4. +1
          18 September 2019 20: 51
          Quote: Greg Miller
          If the Russian leadership refuses to contain the Bandera supporters imposed by the EU, at one point it will be able to make all these Gazprom's Nord Streams a warehouse of empty pipes at the bottom of the Baltic Sea.

          They are not as stupid as you hope. They do not want to bask in the jumps. laughing
        5. +5
          18 September 2019 22: 05
          Quote: Greg Miller
          in one moment will be able to make all these Gazprom's Nord Streams - a warehouse of empty pipes at the bottom of the Baltic Sea.

          Can. If you want to grow snot icicles. Or fork out for "democracy molecules" from across the ocean to save the toilet cleaners. I think that in Germany, unlike the pshek, there are still people with a head.
        6. +5
          19 September 2019 07: 43
          yeah, they will do so, through Ukraine there is no, and they themselves will block the northern flows)))) nonsense)))
      3. +3
        18 September 2019 21: 27
        Quote: Kontrik
        stop abruptly and only hear a quiet give give a discount, we are "brothers"

        Every day in Kiev they want and want something .... Either the atomic bomb, which would be dropped to Moscow, the Crimea and Sevastopol they want to return back, the Donbass reintegrate, then the lace panties for all Svidomo ... That’s a penny from omeriki .. Let them go on ... lol ! In a word, you understand where to go. drinks
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    3. +11
      18 September 2019 17: 31
      What other treaties are Russia an aggressor laughing
      1. +25
        18 September 2019 18: 00
        Quote: Wend
        What other treaties are Russia an aggressor

        They are on the drum, the habit is second nature:
        1. +10
          18 September 2019 18: 23
          When the Maidan won, they thought in Ukraine now everything will go as if according to OIL ... It turned out that it was VASELIN!
          1. +2
            18 September 2019 20: 19
            Well, I must admit that now prices in Ukraine are starting to decline for both fuel and gas and for products and the hryvnia has grown.
            1. +5
              18 September 2019 21: 24
              Quote: Vadim237
              prices in Ukraine begin to decline for fuel and gas and for products and the hryvnia has grown.

              hryvnia really strengthened (returned to level 2016)
              fuel prices really decreased (by the percentage of hryvnia strengthening)
              But if you please, kindly .. On seasonal ones. Yes, it’s autumn, and all kinds of abundant fruits.
              But all sorts of meat / milk - it is not noticed.
              Conventional products / chemistry is similar.
              Our traders keep their neutrality to the course in case of a decline. But the increase will be an excellent reason to raise immediately.
            2. +3
              18 September 2019 21: 35
              Quote: Vadim237
              Well, I must admit that now prices in Ukraine are starting to decline for both fuel and gas and for products and the hryvnia has grown.

              I don’t know .. Ukrainians from Chernigov were vacationing in Sevastopol ... The prices in Ukraine are the same as in Sevastopol .. They grabbed checks from the supermarket for their own people, show them to yours ... They think that you, or they, in Ukraine, believe that in Crimea, everything is becoming more expensive ... Evidence of the contrary was taken ... Yes, and according to their stories, everyone thinks that men from Ukraine in Sevastopol will be immediately arrested, the FSB or some other office will be seized, plant weapons, etc .. bully ...... Here is such nonsense in Ukraine .. wassat
            3. +1
              18 September 2019 21: 51
              I have other information - Colleagues making dollars complain that the dollar has fallen, and prices in hryvnias continue to grow.
          2. 0
            19 September 2019 07: 45
            but it seems to me that they are dry
    4. +7
      18 September 2019 17: 54
      Quote: Sochi
      Lip-grinding machines at retail and wholesale ... cheap

      Quote: Kontrik
      Oh Russia

      Quote: Tol100v
      How can such a gathering (supposedly "country") demand something, or dictate any conditions !?

      Quote: Wend
      What other contracts

      Yes, such. What "Gazprom" signed and continues to sign, despite the fact that a quarter of its consumers (I put it mildly, in my province there are more villages and villages without gas supply, I know this, because about 15 years ago, gas in the villages was carried out has not changed since then, I assure you) refuses to provide natural gas from the pipe. Apparently, it is more profitable for them to trade gas with foreign countries than to provide it with their own population ..
      1. 0
        18 September 2019 22: 11
        Quote: Destiny
        Apparently, it is more profitable for them to trade gas with foreign countries than to ensure their own population.

        Here is the answer to your dumb question
      2. +2
        19 September 2019 07: 47
        again nonsense !!! nobody will ever pull pipes to villages for tens of kilometers
    5. +15
      18 September 2019 18: 11
      But the millar will sign a contract for 10 years, because his pocket is more important than the interests of the country!
      1. +6
        18 September 2019 18: 45
        Well, Millar was a great artist, and Baba Yaga and to hell with his most memorable roles. Toka is unlikely to sign anything, the kingdom of heaven to him!
      2. +5
        18 September 2019 18: 56
        Quote: Thrifty
        But he will sign a millar contract for 10 years

        He will sign it, he won’t want to, and for 10 years the West will dictate the conditions (not Ukraine), they will force it. Now the GTS of Ukraine is already trash, and what will happen in 10 years, but by signing the contract the West will force Russia to keep the GTS in working condition, and this is already a noose around its neck.
        1. +6
          18 September 2019 19: 16
          Quote: tihonmarine
          He will sign, he will not want to, and for 10 years the West will dictate the conditions

          I also think that Gazprom is completely bent.
      3. -1
        18 September 2019 22: 34
        Formulate then the country's interest. Do not sell gas?
        1. -3
          19 September 2019 02: 25
          Quote: Pavel57
          Formulate then the country's interest. Do not sell gas?

          Sell, and sell much more. We have no domestic market at all, cities are drowning with firewood and coal, cities with millionaires see gas only in the form of propane cylinders. If it disappears, Europe together with foreign shareholders of Gazprom, we have gas to do in the country.
    6. -1
      19 September 2019 15: 48
      remember my words, but they will conclude !!! for the sake of profit, they will sacrifice the interests of the country.
  2. +5
    18 September 2019 17: 05
    The cosmetically "renewed" Ukraine has a desire for Russian gas, like a young woman - she wants to, and injects, and her mother does not order.
    1. +10
      18 September 2019 17: 13
      Let's see what will be sung closer to the New Year. However, this also applies to Gazprom
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      2. +4
        18 September 2019 19: 33
        Quote: 210ox
        However, this also applies to Gazprom

        Contract contract strife. Two years ago Miller - "The restructuring of gas transmission corridors on the territory of Russia predetermines that by the beginning of 2022 the possible potential volume of transit through the territory of Ukraine in the central corridor will be from 10 to 15 billion cubic meters of gas." It was planned to liquidate 4,3 kilometers of pipes and close 62 compressor shops. And if the pipes and the compressor are really eliminated to optimize the operating costs, then, as they say, you won't jump over your head (you won't pump it anymore) ... "Cut to hell, without waiting for peritonitis. The only progressive look. - Have you heard? You're right, my It's time to end this process! - Be patient, Lyovushka "... We'll wait and see ...
        1. +2
          18 September 2019 20: 22
          Until 2030, Russia will transport tens of millions of tons to Europe in all LNG from the Baltic, Yamal and the Arctic to tens of millions of tons, so the Ukrainian gas transportation system is a cover in any situation.
    2. 0
      18 September 2019 17: 27
      mom doesn't order.

      And mother, they already threatened with a finger, and what, in vain, they, they tore their sealing wax from the storage of oil.
  3. +3
    18 September 2019 17: 06
    Kiev wants a new 10-year gas transit contract
    And the grandmother dreamed of becoming a young woman. feel
    1. +4
      18 September 2019 17: 38
      Yeah, I just forgot that it could crumble ...
      1. +2
        18 September 2019 17: 53
        Quote: cniza
        Yeah, I just forgot that it could crumble ...

        But she didn’t forget to comb her hair, and suddenly she will bite ...
  4. +13
    18 September 2019 17: 08
    Which contract? Well, you are fighting with us, how do you speak? So go cava drink ... In the Champs-Elysees, fanning yourself with a tomos wassat
    1. +10
      18 September 2019 17: 24
      I support. Why did they build SP2? Is it for refusal of transit through Ukraine?
  5. +14
    18 September 2019 17: 09
    No agreements can be concluded with Ukraine longer than the term of the current president. For the iron argument has already been tested: "It was Yanukovych who borrowed."
    1. +9
      18 September 2019 17: 37
      And who gives a guarantee that he will serve the whole term, is not only for a year, and that is in question.
    2. +3
      18 September 2019 18: 04
      Quote: faterdom
      No agreements can be concluded with Ukraine longer than for the presidential term of the current president

      A lot, for a year not more, but if for ten years, then there will be 10 years of headache. Again, they will start demanding "lard and millene". In general, 404, turn off the device.
    3. +1
      18 September 2019 19: 10
      Quote: faterdom
      For the iron argument has already been tested: "It was Yanukovych who borrowed it."

      "Zelensky signed this," but they can omit him as Yanukovych. It is dangerous to sign something with the Square. Although they did not even come up with this contract, they think for them, they are only ordered.
  6. +26
    18 September 2019 17: 10
    I won’t be surprised if our patience and sign ...
    1. 0
      18 September 2019 19: 06
      Do our company leaders have a choice?
      Both northern flows did not even initially provide the necessary pumping, so now the European Court has also limited pumping by OPAL and EUGAL by 50%, so transit will have to be preserved in any case, in any case.
      You can of course with horse fines break contracts
      with European consumers and abandon the export of fuel (minus 40% of GDP and the budget), and then the country will be left behind. Do you want that?
      1. +6
        18 September 2019 21: 56
        You can of course with horse fines break contracts
        with European consumers and abandon the export of fuel (minus 40% of GDP and the budget), and then the country will be left behind. Do you want that?

        Well .. you can go all-in and still arrange another "gas war" and freeze the Europeans a bit. Look, they suddenly think about their OPAL. But there are certain risks in this regard too.
  7. +2
    18 September 2019 17: 11
    Roll over for a year, no more.
    1. +4
      18 September 2019 17: 29
      Quote: Nycomed
      Roll over for a year, no more.

      Where there is a year, there will be two years.
      1. +3
        18 September 2019 18: 22
        It may not be for a year or two. I am talking about longing. Prolonged for 1 year and all. The year ended, if desired or necessary, for another year. Something like this.
        1. +1
          18 September 2019 18: 25
          So I wrote about this to you, where there are two years.
          1. +2
            18 September 2019 19: 31
            Any contracts indicate the duration of the contract. I, personally, have never come across when signing contracts in the paragraph: "the term of the contract", so that it was written: "where a year, there are two."
            1. +3
              18 September 2019 19: 53
              Quote: Nycomed
              Any agreement shall indicate the duration of the agreement.

              That's right, but there is a small nuance in terms of prolongation, the following must be prescribed in the contract (agreement): "An agreement concluded for a certain period is considered extended for the same period and on the same conditions if (number) calendar days before the expiration of the period its action, party 2 will not declare to party 1 in writing about its termination or amendment, or about the conclusion of the Agreement on other terms. " hi
              1. +1
                18 September 2019 20: 01
                The contract very easily may simply not have a clause on automatic prolongation. Something like this. hi
                1. 0
                  19 September 2019 08: 45
                  Quote: Nycomed
                  The contract very easily may simply not have a clause on automatic prolongation. Something like this. hi

                  If this is not there, then a new contract is being drawn up and in the total amount two years are obtained.
                  1. -1
                    19 September 2019 08: 54
                    If BOTH parties agree to extend it. This is done either by extension, if the clause on the possibility of this is in the contract. Or by signing an additional agreement for a period. But, if the contract is concluded for ONE year, then its validity period is also ONE year. There can not be and should not be any other interpretations here.
                    1. 0
                      19 September 2019 09: 00
                      Quote: Nycomed
                      If BOTH parties agree to extend it. This is done either by extension, if the clause on the possibility of this is in the contract. Or by signing an additional agreement for a period. But, if the contract is concluded for ONE year, then its validity period is also ONE year. There can not be and should not be any other interpretations here.

                      Well, all this is nonsense. If a contract is over, you can always create a new one and rewrite it, according to another scenario, but the essence remains the same.
                      1. -1
                        19 September 2019 09: 12
                        Dear, I have been working on a contract with LUKOIL for several decades and the procedure for concluding contracts with large legal entities. faces I know very well. If you want to "treat" someone about how contracts are concluded and spilled, then this is obviously not for me. hi
                      2. 0
                        19 September 2019 09: 21
                        But is it worth me treating someone and why? this is not my specificity, but I say how contracts are reissued when they end, maybe you have a different system there and you don’t follow certain rules or create your own legal ones.
                      3. -1
                        19 September 2019 17: 28
                        Respected! If you in your activity do not encounter the order and culture of contractual relations, then you probably should not argue on this topic. Excuse me. hi
                      4. 0
                        19 September 2019 19: 03
                        You should not argue on this subject.

                        And why it’s not worth it, on the contrary it’s necessary, you told how everything is there, and no one would have known about it, and now everyone would know about it.
            2. 0
              19 September 2019 08: 43
              Any agreement indicates the duration of the agreement

              And after this agreement, it is possible to extend another agreement, where one year there and two years are obtained after signing.
        2. NKT
          +2
          18 September 2019 19: 09
          404 will be against. Firstly, they are not profitable for one year. Secondly, they want to change the contract, including gas prices for themselves and for transit, as well as remove take or pay and prescribe fines for not pumping the agreed volumes of gas. Previously, they also wanted to change the clause so that all disputes would be resolved not in Stockholm, but in Kiev.
    2. +6
      18 September 2019 17: 31
      And why should this unnatural sekas roll over for a year?
      1. +1
        18 September 2019 18: 24
        This is not "sekas", and even more so, not unnatural. This is a normal, natural practice of contractual relations.
    3. -2
      18 September 2019 19: 08
      What's the point?
      Will anything change in a year?
      1. +1
        18 September 2019 19: 27
        This is not the point, Europe talks a lot about diversification in gas supplies. They don't want to keep all their eggs in one basket. And by the way, they are doing the right thing. And this "diversification" of our gas transportation routes will not hurt us either. We now have a priority joint venture. But it can happen (God forbid, of course) that some of the states, through which the JV passes, suddenly take and revoke its permission? Well, maybe the political vector has changed direction, or for some other reason. Or some banal force majeure. And that's all, they sailed. And in this case, it will be more expensive for itself to turn to Ukraine, because, in this situation, they will already talk from a position of strength. Do we need it? That is why I say: to long for a year, having staked out some minimum pumping volume with the possibility of increasing it. How to do it? Gazprom has more lawyers than Assad's army. Let them think.
  8. +18
    18 September 2019 17: 11
    Well, I’m not a urapatriot, therefore ours are simple - I hope ours will not sign this agreement.
  9. +4
    18 September 2019 17: 12
    Skakuasy can adhere to any position. In his swamp. They rode around, they were simply kicked out like flea mongrels.
    Did not want to live peacefully? Chew on what's left.
    1. +1
      18 September 2019 17: 47
      Quote: Stroibat stock
      Chew on what's left.

      And shale gas and target "weapons"!
  10. +6
    18 September 2019 17: 15
    Earlier, the executive director of Naftogaz of Ukraine Yuriy Vitrenko said that if Russia stops the transit of gas through Ukraine from 1 on January 2020, Ukraine will seek compensation in the amount of 11-14 billion dollars.

    I began to cover it with obscenities ..!
    greyhounds, arrogant ...
    generally off-road rod
  11. +10
    18 September 2019 17: 15
    Dear UKRAINIAN "friends", fluff up your locators, listen to the free attachment to our telegraph:
    - The red flaky stump you all on the collar, in a cast-iron design from the Soviet government, so that the gateway does not get dirty and the head does not dangle. laughing
    1. +4
      18 September 2019 17: 29
      Classic, 72 meters in cast-iron design from Krasko))
  12. +8
    18 September 2019 17: 18
    in the event that Russia stops the transit of gas through the territory of Ukraine from January 1, 2020, Ukraine will seek compensation in the amount of 11-14 billion dollars.

    Very curious - on the basis of what? That the partner refused to renegotiate an already ended contract ??? For this compensation? The Tsegabons decided to bring something fresh and original into international commercial practice?
    1. +5
      18 September 2019 17: 35
      Apparently because I want to eat, there is no other option.
    2. NKT
      +2
      18 September 2019 19: 15
      Hope dies last. And they hope for European assistance in the form of an “unbiased” arbitration. With the failure to fulfill the current contract, it did, after all, even we owe it to them. We felt the taste of a freebie.
  13. +1
    18 September 2019 17: 20
    Kiev intends to offer Moscow a new contract for gas transit through the Ukrainian gas transportation system for a period of another 10 years.

    25 50 liter cylinders per year and no more.
  14. +4
    18 September 2019 17: 22
    Gazprom will sign is a business
  15. +12
    18 September 2019 17: 27
    if Russia stops the transit of gas through the territory of Ukraine from January 1, 2020, Ukraine will seek compensation in the amount of 11-14 billion dollars.

    Amazing arrogance - we stop the transit of our gas and still need compensation for this ???
    1. +6
      18 September 2019 17: 35
      The struggle against common sense is the whole paradox and arrogance of the West.
  16. +1
    18 September 2019 17: 28
    Kiev wants a new 10-year gas transit contract


    Wishlist has grown? Sit upright, Russia is an aggressor for you, it’s better to twist the pigs' tails, otherwise there will be nothing to eat in winter))
    1. +2
      18 September 2019 17: 34
      They are used by the United States for their own purposes, and when no longer needed, they will be torn to pieces.
      1. +3
        18 September 2019 17: 49
        If on the Independence Square such people rode with big Wishlist, then let them not be offended.
    2. -1
      18 September 2019 19: 26
      There are positions from which you can demand. Europeans blocked half of the bypass facilities. What are you going to replace them with?
  17. wow
    +1
    18 September 2019 17: 28
    "a hole from a donut and ears from a dead donkey ....", as the unforgettable Ostap Ibrahim Berta used to say - Maria Bender Bey!
    1. -4
      18 September 2019 19: 19
      Suggest options: here you are at Miller’s place, how will you deliver gas if you have cut off bypass capacities?
  18. +5
    18 September 2019 17: 32
    Earlier, the executive director of Naftogaz of Ukraine Yuriy Vitrenko said that if Russia stops the transit of gas through Ukraine from 1 on January 2020, Ukraine will seek compensation in the amount of 11-14 billion dollars.


    A tough battle is coming up against common sense ...
  19. +2
    18 September 2019 17: 34
    Only Russia should dictate the conditions, period.
  20. +10
    18 September 2019 17: 35
    Earlier, the executive director of Naftogaz of Ukraine Yuriy Vitrenko said that if Russia stops the transit of gas through Ukraine from 1 on January 2020, Ukraine will seek compensation in the amount of 11-14 billion dollars.

    I didn’t understand something: if the old transit contract expired, the new transit contract is not signed and there are no legal grounds for transit, then what is the compensation for? belay
    In the same way, compensation can be requested from Ukraine for the cessation of sales of ZoryaMashproektovsky turbines and MotorSichevsky engines.
    1. +3
      18 September 2019 18: 12
      Gazprom, to be honest, is driven into a dead end by the decision on OPAL and the third energy package and US sanctions against companies cooperating with him in SP-2. I think Gazprom will be forced to agree to a long-term contract with Ukraine, but in order not to look at all .... it’s clear how, in the eyes of the Russians, they will determine the term of the contract, hide it by some tricky, little understood simple, not really delving into details, philistine, formula. Yes
      1. +1
        18 September 2019 19: 17
        Chess, and the arrangement of figures is not particularly profitable. It is very likely that the contract will be signed.
        1. +1
          18 September 2019 20: 23
          Maximum for three years.
          1. -3
            18 September 2019 20: 45
            And then what? Will they build another Stream?
            How much is all this being paid back, wasn’t it easier to continue deliveries through Ukraine?
            1. +1
              18 September 2019 23: 15
              In addition to the high risks of gas theft, the Ukrainian gas transportation system is also worn out by more than 80%. That’s why it’s easier to build another gas pipeline through Bulgaria - now only at the expense of the Bulgarians and start shipping LNG from Yamal, the Baltic and soon from the Arctic LNG.
      2. +1
        18 September 2019 21: 34
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        I think that Gazprom will be forced to agree to a long-term contract with Ukraine, but in order not to look at all .... it’s clear how, in the eyes of the Russians, the term of the contract will be determined, hidden by some tricky, little understood simple, not really going into details , philistine, formula


        first time or something ...
        they will say that they won all and signed an agreement on "their own terms."
        The necessary data will be announced to the internal consumer.
        However, I do not work in the media, but already have 10 options for mitigating the words of signing this contract.
        Moreover, even if you declare the truth and honestly write that you accepted such a contract in a month and don’t remember the contract when bombarded with other news (especially if you rinse the same Ukraine or breakthroughs of the Russian Federation somewhere)
        so image losses within the country are not important for leadership. People here are sympathetic to such problems.
        I’m guessing - who is more patient - Russians or Ukrainians .. (option -Koreans do not offer, only this pair)
        so nothing bad will happen to the image.
        Another thing is scary ... The policy of two corporations has led to a change in geopolitical alignments at the border of the country. And it changed the attitude of the world towards the country, caused a lot of losses and losses, both economic and cultural. She changed her attitude towards the country and even finished off the possibility of initiating "soft power" abroad.
      3. 0
        19 September 2019 06: 52
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        Gazprom, to be honest, is driven into a dead end by the decision on OPAL and the third energy package and US sanctions against companies cooperating with him in SP-2. I think Gazprom will be forced to agree to a long-term contract with Ukraine, but in order not to look at all .... it’s clear how, in the eyes of the Russians, they will determine the term of the contract, hide it by some tricky, little understood simple, not really delving into details, philistine, formula. Yes

        Are these your American wet dreams? Better worry about selling your core gas
    2. -2
      18 September 2019 18: 48
      Quote: Alexey RA
      I didn’t understand something


      It's simple.

      Ukraine will demand compensation from Russia for gas transit, said Yuriy Vitrenko, executive director of Naftogaz Ukrainy, during a press conference. This was written by Ukrainian media.

      This will happen if Gazprom continues to insist on concluding a new transit agreement on the same terms. The price of the issue is $ 11-14 billion.
      “If transit continues through Ukraine, then we will not review tariffs and then Gazprom will not have to compensate us for these $ 11-14 billion. But if they insist on their current position, which will lead to the absence of transit through Ukraine from January 1 2020, then we will force them to pay, to compensate for our losses, ”Vitrenko said.

      Here we are talking about a new lawsuit by Naftogaz in the Stockholm arbitration against a Russian energy company. The trial should be completed before the end of 2021, the Ukrainian side expects. Hearings are scheduled for the spring of 2021, Vitrenko said earlier.

      According to the top manager, the basis for such compensation is a gas transit contract. According to it, Naftogaz has the right to demand a review of the transit tariff.

      “We may request this review before the expiration of the contract. We did this in the spring of 2018. Accordingly, from the spring of 2018 until the end of the contract, we have the right to review at a higher tariff, ”
    3. +1
      18 September 2019 22: 43
      There was a precedent - the mutual claims of the Russian Federation and Ukraine were eventually estimated at 2 billion in favor of Ukraine. There is no logic, common sense, but there is a precedent.
  21. +1
    18 September 2019 17: 37
    "They wanted in Kiev ..."? Well, they want a lot in Kiev. I hope Russia will bring the lip-rolling machine to them for negotiations. Otherwise, one should not hesitate to put forward political demands, conditions that are obviously impossible to fulfill, and still not sign a 10-year contract.
    1. -5
      18 September 2019 19: 15
      Then the reputation of the exporter will be spoiled, big penalties for disruption of supplies. What will accelerate the occupation of part of the market by American LNG. Again, unsold gas is an incomplete budget.
      1. +7
        18 September 2019 19: 59
        Quote: 3danimal
        Again, unsold gas is an incomplete budget.

        Gazprom is put in a situation where it will pump gas, but it will have no profit. Now Gazprom will be forced to sign a 10-year contract with a minimum volume of 60 billion cubic meters and high pumping rates, and in a few years, long-term contracts with Western consumers will end and they will already force Gazprom to sign long-term contracts with low gas prices. Or they will give up the volumes and Gazprom will pay Ukraine for the unpumped gas. And in 10 years, Ukraine will again twist Gazprom's hands (if there is still something left to twist). And Gazprom will feed the whole of Europe, and we have a "bare ass" ... Due to the fact that the transit country and gas consumers are countries unfriendly to us, contracts for transit and gas supply must be concluded simultaneously, on agreed terms. Otherwise, it's just some kind of sadomozakhism.
        1. -1
          18 September 2019 20: 50
          Must, but not concluded. Europe is the largest market, amid the aggravation of relations, this is being used.
          So maybe you need to stop being a gas station (as a percentage of income)?
      2. +2
        18 September 2019 20: 26
        Russia has the same LNG, and not a little, at the moment Baltic LNG, Yamal LNG, in 2024 Arctic LNG will join them.
  22. 0
    18 September 2019 17: 37
    Want is not harmful
  23. 0
    18 September 2019 17: 40
    Blessed is he who believes and hopes for support from the outside!
    But let's see who is thicker ..... position.
    1. +8
      18 September 2019 17: 55
      There will be a serious confrontation and we need to push to the full.
      1. +1
        18 September 2019 18: 32
        About svidomye already visited or support group from the local .... only this is a shrill yapping, in real affairs, such as the background is not even perceived!
        Quote: cniza
        There will be a serious confrontation and we need to push to the full.

        Commercial interests will win, there will be some compromise to which the geyropa is accustomed .... and Kukuevsky ??? will be present there.
        1. +2
          18 September 2019 18: 34
          This is so, but the United States will spoil everyone’s blood, they must be pushed back for a puddle.
          1. +3
            18 September 2019 18: 46
            It’s difficult, they have grown roots here, which is even worse MONEY!
          2. -2
            18 September 2019 19: 12
            Offer your options. Maybe raise your GDP to the level of Britain and reduce the share of petrodollars (now “pure” 45%) in the budget?
            1. +2
              18 September 2019 20: 16
              What did you mean ?
            2. -1
              18 September 2019 20: 46
              How do you move the United States with 1,8% of global GDP? They have 19.
              1. +3
                18 September 2019 21: 02
                And how did you consider it, according to Magdak or purchasing power? It is difficult and not everything determines financial power.
                1. -2
                  18 September 2019 21: 40
                  The difference in the size of the budget is also about 10 times. Given the high dependence on imports (machine tools, Auto, spare parts for both, Goods, etc.), a comparison in dollars is quite relevant.
      2. -1
        18 September 2019 20: 56
        So what to push? To bring gas by air?
  24. -1
    18 September 2019 17: 41
    Europe can squeeze Gazprom partners damn
  25. +2
    18 September 2019 17: 43
    Moved ...
  26. +3
    18 September 2019 17: 44
    the pipe cross-links this territory and is the only meaning for its consolidated existence, it is criminal to extend this meaning for another ten years.
  27. +9
    18 September 2019 17: 58
    The cons have gone, probably Ukrainians are sorry, especially those who are zigging, jumping, in our garbage dump (tv) all kinds of experts are crap on our country, etc., etc., and our Gazprom should face its citizens a long time ago, why our national treasure is beyond the means of many.
  28. +4
    18 September 2019 17: 59
    who cares?
    it’s funny for me from people, they were bent on pensions / prices / inflation, and they sit and talk about gas, from which they won’t get a penny.
    minus, I’m violet, but eggs and beef will not become cheaper from this, however, like everything else.
    1. +1
      18 September 2019 18: 39
      I understand everything, but do you really think that besides us, someone will decide something for us? We tolerate, it means they will "milk" further, but I am categorically against revolutions already ...
      1. -2
        18 September 2019 23: 05
        Quote: cniza
        I understand everything, but do you really think that besides us, someone will decide something for us? We tolerate, it means they will "milk" further, but I am categorically against revolutions already ...


        for you have already decided everything, do not worry.
    2. +6
      18 September 2019 19: 07
      Quote: pl675
      it’s funny for me from people, they were bent on pensions / prices / inflation, and they sit and talk about gas, from which they won’t get a penny.

      The volume of payments by Gazprom in taxes in 2018 is 2,7 trillion rubles. Rosneft - 4 trillion rubles. And everything that the state does, it does exactly with budget money.
      1. -2
        18 September 2019 23: 04
        Quote: Alexey RA
        Quote: pl675
        it’s funny for me from people, they were bent on pensions / prices / inflation, and they sit and talk about gas, from which they won’t get a penny.

        The volume of payments by Gazprom in taxes in 2018 is 2,7 trillion rubles. Rosneft - 4 trillion rubles. And everything that the state does, it does exactly with budget money.


        once again - this is not yours and not my money, and in the near future will not be ours.
        officials and security officials need to be fed - they have not shifted their retirement age to the right, as it is now fashionable to say. there are many more legions of loafers now than working people, and everyone wants special conditions and social packages.
        and when a bunch of foreigners, including Arabs, are on the board of directors of these companies, it’s no longer easy for ordinary workers, but you are still proud of the numbers, I can even borrow a drum to drive.
  29. +1
    18 September 2019 18: 34
    You can’t argue against the wishes of partners! We are not the masters of our country and subsoil. Understand this issue without our opinion. Just a business.
  30. +4
    18 September 2019 18: 50
    Krajina announced: check and checkmate to you, Russia! Very worldly! Well, other spells; the main thing is to believe in your own nonsense and convince the faint of heart with a minimum of erudition in this. A short but bright celebration of the "winners". Then, however, comes a severe hangover with all the consequences ...
    1. +2
      18 September 2019 19: 10
      nonsense, but Ukrainians have already judged a lot from Gazprom, which not only supplies them with fuel, but also pays them money for it ...
  31. -2
    18 September 2019 19: 09
    There are a number of nuances. The Turkish stream turned out to be three times less than planned, Northern Gazprom can only use half. It turns out a decent such lack of transportation capacity. And Gazprom is thus forced to conclude an agreement with Ukraine and rent its gas transportation system. Otherwise, deliveries will not be completed on time, and forfeits are prudently high.
    1. +4
      18 September 2019 21: 53
      Quote: 3danimal
      Turkish stream was three times less than planned

      Turkish - two pipes were planned, two were laid, in what "three"? Yes, the Bulgarians delayed because of the ships between contractors (who to build) ... the latest news that this is over ...
      Quote: 3danimal
      Northern Gazprom can only use half.

      Opal - 38 billion cubic meters per year - 50% is 18 billion. "In 2018, Nord Stream AG ensured the delivery of 58,8 billion cubic meters to consumers in Europe via the Nord Stream gas pipeline." The joint venture also has a second continuation, so after the reduction in one branch there were messages - "At the same time, gas supplies from Nord Stream through another gas pipeline, NEL, increased."
  32. +1
    18 September 2019 19: 14
    Quote: cniza
    They are used by the United States for their own purposes, and when no longer needed, they will be torn to pieces.

    They will never be given to be torn to pieces, at least while Russia is still alive and yes, to whom to be torn to pieces?
    1. -1
      19 September 2019 05: 03
      It just sounds ominous)
  33. +2
    18 September 2019 19: 50
    Consultation and reconciliation of positions has begun. So the contract will be signed, after the rapprochement of positions in terms of volume and time. And two or three years ago there were no categorical statements of transit, and the patriots enthusiastically supported such declarations. Well sho urapatrioty it's time to change shoes in the air, how you can do it, so to speak, to hesitate along with the line of the party.
    1. +2
      18 September 2019 21: 47
      Quote: Semurg
      Consultation and reconciliation of positions has begun. So the contract will be signed, after the rapprochement of positions in volumes and terms

      we heard the maximum offers of "conditional buyers and sellers" in the press
      Gazprom - 1 year contract. minimum volume. (more precisely, everything that remains if it does not fit into other threads)
      With the possibility of extension to the next. year.
      Naftogaz (conditionally) -10 years with the same tariffs for transit or a year with compensation with new tariffs.
      If 10 years, then you can have more volume (it is interesting if you need to pump over 90, because this already happened)
      This is already contrary to the original statements.
      There will be no transit under any conditions.
      Because there were statements that the minimum volume on the terms of Gazprom.
      Ukraine did not change the requirements, but reduced transit prices for Gazprom gas, bringing its route to a competitive state.
      Both sides prepared for another battle in the long "gas war".
      And this time, the EU will decide everything, in its favor. Ukraine hopes that the conditions of the EU will be equally beneficial to it.
      Gazprom, respectively, what to him.

      Quote: Semurg
      Well sho urapatrioty it's time to change shoes in the air, how you can do it, so to speak, to hesitate along with the party line.

      it’s strange that you weren’t sick.
      Usually, apart from the minuses, cheers patriots do not stand out.
      Unless slogans with hesitation behind the party line.
      They will even support the adoption of Ukrainian terms with a 90 billion contract ... the main thing is that the relevant news is written as needed.
      We do not know the final decision of the EU. And here it is key.
      They can downgrade "Wishlist of Ukraine" in their favor.
      Reduce Gazprom Wishlist in their favor.
      And now this balance, we will soon find out. And it is in favor of the EU.
      And we are only traders in either raw materials or transit ...
  34. +2
    18 September 2019 19: 53
    And nothing they will tear from desire
    1. +2
      18 September 2019 20: 14
      Quote: rusich
      And nothing they will tear from desire

      Hardly. This is "what" the non-brothers can stretch very much.
  35. +3
    18 September 2019 20: 13
    ... in the event that Russia stops the transit of gas through the territory of Ukraine from January 1, 2020, Ukraine will seek compensation in the amount of 11-14 billion dollars.

    And on what basis? The old agreement has ceased to be, the new is not concluded. Where is it written that Russia MUST drive gas in this way and not otherwise? What to compensate for?
  36. 0
    18 September 2019 20: 33
    I read the headline for the first time ... Kiev wanted 10 centimeters .... Fu, I had enough strength for the second run and even part of the comments.
  37. 0
    18 September 2019 20: 39
    to finance a hostile state. who signs immediately it will be seen who, that enemy of the state. signatures will stand
  38. +6
    18 September 2019 21: 21
    My opinion. Gazprom bully no need to pursue profit ... Do not deal with Ukraine wassat more profitable than any contracts with the EU sad . Europe must be confronted with the fact of choice: either SP-2, 3, 4 ... or wholesale deliveries of sweatshirts and felt boots ... Yes
  39. 0
    19 September 2019 03: 19
    I see, no one really understands the situation. The Kremlin did not want to conclude a contract with Ukraine at all, and let gas bypass, now, after the failure of the bypass routes, it wants to conclude a deal for a year, and Ukraine requires 10! This is a condition and a condition on which the Kremlin does not want to go, not a diminution on your knees, as you perceive it.
    1. 0
      19 September 2019 08: 43
      "After the failure of bypass routes" - And what are these failed bypass routes?
      1. +2
        19 September 2019 09: 03
        South Stream, and then, after failure - Turkish Stream and Nord Stream -2. They said that gas would go to the EU bypassing Ukraine and thus it would be left without transit and money for transit, then in general it could be bombed / it would freeze / bend (underline as necessary). As a result, the design capacities were cut in half, that is, fewer gas pipelines than planned, then Germany set the conditions for the SP-2 to have at least some transit through Ukraine (at this stage, the failure of the bypass route became obvious), now some European courts have banned the current northern stream (the first) from using more than 2% of the capacity of the OPAL gas pipeline. As a result, it doesn’t give a damn whether SP-50 will be completed by the new year or not, transit through Ukraine will still remain, otherwise Russia will not be able to supply gas to Europe in full, but Kiev is now setting the conditions - a transit agreement for 2 years.
  40. 0
    19 September 2019 09: 39
    Cut off all the gas transit from NG to them, as they cut off the water supply to the Crimea!
  41. BAI
    0
    19 September 2019 15: 57
    Now we know the conditions under which the contract will be concluded on December 30, 2019.
  42. 0
    19 September 2019 16: 15
    Want is not harmful. In the meantime, take this:



    And then you see someone and this "souvenir" set will come in handy:

  43. +1
    20 September 2019 09: 58
    or maybe immediately for 100 years? And you don’t need to work, live on pumping gas.

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