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In Poland, on the preparation of the Thunder special forces for the operation in Haiti in 1994: It was a circus

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On the 25 anniversary of the American military invasion of Haiti, called Operation "Support for Democracy", Poland released material on the participation in those events of the Polish special forces "Grom" (Grom), more precisely - on preparations for participation. Recall that the invasion of Haiti, a very motley American-Polish-Argentine contingent began 19 September 1994 year, the operation lasted until the end of March 1995 year, and its result was the establishment in Haiti of the power of Jean-Bertrand Aristide. By the way, in 2014, Aristide was arrested on corruption charges during that very presidency.


In Poland, on the preparation of the Thunder special forces for the operation in Haiti in 1994: It was a circus


In the Polish edition of Onet held small excursion into history the operation 1994-1995 years, to which US President Bill Clinton connected the Polish special forces. This was the first foreign military operation in Poland in its recent history.

It is noted that at that time no one knew anything about “Thunder” in the world, moreover, many Poles did not know about its existence, but Clinton did. The fact is that Polish instructors were trained by American instructors from the Delta special forces unit. And Clinton was informed that the Poles should be checked in a real military operation. The then president of Poland, Lech Walesa, quickly agreed that Polish special forces in Haiti could not do without ...

In the Polish media they write that the operation itself looked strange for Poland. From material:

It was a real circus (...) At first, it was necessary to transfer “Thunder” from subordination to the Ministry of Internal Affairs to subordination to the Ministry of Defense, since the structures of the Ministry of Internal Affairs did not have the right to participate in foreign operations.

The newspaper provides a statement by the soldier of the Polish special forces "Thunder" Andrzej Kruczynski (call sign "Leader"):

The absurdity of the situation manifested itself immediately. Even in Poland we were told that there would be our farewell in Haiti in the format of a parade. This, let’s say, is not typical for special forces. As a result, we went through a ceremonial march, but in dark glasses, away from the camera lenses. After that, boarded the plane. And when the journalists filmed their report, we again got off the plane, because at that moment there was no order for the departure.

Departure, as it turns out, took place only a day later.


The publication writes that subsequently, many frankly joked about the commandos in dark glasses “at the parade”. The fact is that the ordered sunglasses came in a version with a white frame.

From the statement of the “Thunder” branch commander (in 1994 year) Slavomir Petelitsky:

We had to train the parade march, walk several times to the moronic music at the airport. In black glasses with a white frame, we looked like the operetta guard of the banana republic. And then we decided to paint the eyeglass frames ourselves with black paint.

When they arrived to perform the operation in Haiti, everyone was ordered to change into civilian clothes in order to appear as ordinary tourists.

According to official figures, the Polish detachment “Thunder” did not suffer losses in Haiti.
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  1. Nycomed
    Nycomed 18 September 2019 08: 08
    +33
    "Great Poland"! From Haiti to Tahiti! Dream of the gentry! fellow
    1. Rwmos
      Rwmos 18 September 2019 08: 20
      +7
      Here to send them to Haiti - there will certainly be a dream - not from sea to sea, but from ocean to ocean - the island ... Where not harkney - everywhere the ocean. And howl there howling their puppies, scaring parrots
    2. Pessimist22
      Pessimist22 18 September 2019 08: 21
      +4
      They will take the money to the Germans for the damage in the war, and they will panah!
      1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
        Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 18 September 2019 08: 49
        +6
        They will not receive a mark, a shekel, or a cent from the Germans!
        1. Ravil_Asnafovich
          Ravil_Asnafovich 18 September 2019 09: 04
          0
          Damn, it’s especially especially now when in Europe there’s a lot of saucepan in the head.
          1. Leeds
            Leeds 18 September 2019 09: 08
            +9
            The Republic of Haiti is the poorest country in the economy of the western hemisphere of the planet and one of the most undeveloped countries in the world. GDP per capita in 2009 - 1317 dollars (203-th place in the world). [7]
            Below the poverty line - 60% of the population (2003). [7]
            The main source of foreign exchange earnings of the republic is remittances from emigrants (25% of GDP, twice as much as all income from export from the country).


            Normally, they supported democracy.
      2. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 18 September 2019 09: 58
        0
        Quote: Pessimist22
        They will take the money to the Germans for the damage in the war, and they will panah!

        hi I still wildly apologize: you dear German pessimist or Polish optimist recourse I myself put my bets on the Germans: they will remove the Poles from funding from the EU and the Poles will go with a "bare debauch" in a puddle
    3. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 18 September 2019 08: 25
      +2
      In 1994, the Poles only studied the circus, but at the moment, they turned out to be first-class clowns with the quality mark. This is already a real circus.
      in September, the United States Department of State confirmed a $ 6,5 billion deal to sell 32 fifth-generation F-35A fighters to its eastern partner. The contract also provides for additional pilot training and maintenance of equipment.

      Poland added two Patriot PAC-3 air defense systems to the deal. The total amount of spending is $ 4,7 billion. "Here, the complex will be renamed Vistula and optimized so that it can repel ballistic missile attacks at a range of up to 35 kilometers and at an altitude of 24 kilometers," the journalists of Russian Weapons note. ...

      Poland is making the same extensive plans for artillery. To, as the authors of the article note, "strike back at the Russian batteries," the country is buying 20 M142 HIMARS multiple launch rocket systems for $ 414 million, capable of sending 227-millimeter missiles into the air, as well as small cluster bombs with enormous range.

      On the other hand, the Polish army has innumerable weaknesses: the country has neither satellites, nor spy planes, nor drones, which it plans to provide cover with the help of NATO.

      "But Poland forked out for the cyber war program. In order to keep up with Russia, which is waging an" information war for the purpose of political destabilization, "770 million dollars were invested in cyber defense," Russian Weapon writes.

      And, in addition, the new volunteer army of 21 thousand soldiers "in the event of a conflict with Russia" will conduct a covert, guerrilla war.

      https://baltnews.ee/mir_novosti/20190917/1018043498/Grandioznyy-plan-kak-Polsha-sobralas-meritsya-muskulami-s-Rossiey.html
      1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
        SERGEY SERGEEVICS 18 September 2019 08: 43
        +1
        In 1994, the Poles only studied the circus, but at the moment, they turned out to be first-class clowns with the quality mark. This is already a real circus.
        And they always have that, not a day, then a show of performance lol
        1. Ural-4320
          Ural-4320 18 September 2019 10: 31
          +3
          I think the circus began there at the time when they began to sing along with "Solidarity".
    4. Victor_B
      Victor_B 18 September 2019 08: 32
      +3
      Tahiti, Haiti ...
      Us (them) and here (there) are well fed!
      1. Sky strike fighter
        Sky strike fighter 18 September 2019 08: 42
        +4
        Tahiti, Haiti ...
        Us (them) and here (there) are well fed!

        The West really feeds Poland well for anti-Russian attacks, just like in the cartoon they fed for stories about Tahiti, only the end can be exactly the same as in the cartoon, when the story about the threat from Russia is tired of everyone and Poland ceases to be interesting, it ceases to be fed.
    5. Evdokim
      Evdokim 18 September 2019 09: 49
      +2
      Quote: Nycomed
      "Great Poland"! From Haiti to Tahiti! Dream of the gentry!

      Greater Poland with the Greatest Army with -
      the motley American-Polish-Argentine contingent began on September 19, 1994, the operation lasted until the end of March 1995, and its result was the establishment of Jean-Bertrand Aristide's power in Haiti.

      Cool. They drive the Papuans around the island for six months in order to bring some kind of Artistide to power. The greatest feat overshadowing Tamerlane. laughing
  2. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 18 September 2019 08: 20
    +4
    We had to train the parade march, walk several times to the moronic music at the airport. In black glasses with a white frame, we looked like the operetta guard of the banana republic. And then we decided to paint the eyeglass frames ourselves with black paint.
    As was the operetta guard, "and remained, but already on the rights of NATO. The Poles believe that they have great trust and respect from the owners, but they and similar limitrophes are simply used for dirty work like a bum or a street woman.
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 18 September 2019 12: 13
      -1
      Quote: tihonmarine
      The Poles believe that they are given great trust and respect by the owners, but they and just like them are just used to do dirty work like a homeless woman or a street woman.

      To be objective to the end, I remind you that the Polish military advisers during the Warsaw Pact were in some countries of the world, including Libya - so you shouldn’t shy at them very much if we taught them this ourselves.
  3. Fedor Sokolov
    Fedor Sokolov 18 September 2019 08: 27
    +7
    This is not a circus, but a real military intervention in an independent state, in which Poland took a direct part. Operation "Support for Democracy", initiated by the United States in 1994, cost the lives of 200 Haitians.
  4. Basarev
    Basarev 18 September 2019 08: 32
    -18
    Even the Poles were noted in Haiti ... And the path is closed to us in such a distant land. Even the glorified Alpha actually turns out to be a very small-town phenomenon, operating only within the borders of Russia.
    1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
      SERGEY SERGEEVICS 18 September 2019 08: 42
      +5
      Even the Poles were noted in Haiti ..

      Well, yes, like cannon fodder, where their minke whales have taken, so as not to sacrifice, their soldiers.
      1. Alex_You
        Alex_You 18 September 2019 11: 04
        +1
        It is written in black and white that there were no losses. What kind of meat are we talking about?
        1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
          SERGEY SERGEEVICS 18 September 2019 12: 38
          +1
          What kind of meat are we talking about?

          About that when, with the help of other people, they solve their problems.
          1. Alex_You
            Alex_You 18 September 2019 16: 53
            0
            Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
            What kind of meat are we talking about?

            About that when, with the help of other people, they solve their problems.

            1000 Poles, 1000 Argentines and just 14000 Americans. It’s straight that they rake the heat with the wrong hands.
            1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
              SERGEY SERGEEVICS 18 September 2019 17: 14
              0
              Quote: Alex_You
              Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
              What kind of meat are we talking about?

              About that when, with the help of other people, they solve their problems.

              1000 Poles, 1000 Argentines and just 14000 Americans. It’s straight that they rake the heat with the wrong hands.

              You know how, in fact, everything is, they are not used to fighting themselves, but always fight at the expense of other countries.
    2. Ravil_Asnafovich
      Ravil_Asnafovich 18 September 2019 09: 07
      +1
      Afghanistan is not an example? And there’s Pennant for that.
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 18 September 2019 09: 28
        -4
        Afghanistan is a border country, so it doesn’t count. But in the other hemisphere, and in full cooperation with the Americans, this did not happen.
        1. solzh
          solzh 18 September 2019 10: 32
          +6
          Quote: Basarev
          Afghanistan is a border country, so it doesn’t count

          Angola, doesn’t it count? And Syria does not count?
          Quote: Basarev
          But so that in the other hemisphere

          Nicaragua.
          Quote: Basarev
          in full collaboration with the Americans

          Is this an indicator of something for you?
        2. Incvizitor
          Incvizitor 18 September 2019 14: 25
          +2
          yes, in full partnership with the Americans
          And what is not with ISIS right away? Maybe a bomber bomb out of boredom like them?
  5. Yuri Kudryavtsev
    Yuri Kudryavtsev 18 September 2019 08: 37
    +2
    Trump is not Clinton: there is a normal family and his own business, if he understands that a businessman politician should have business and family in the first place, and not politics and war, he will be able to bypass all the sharp corners in relations with everyone in the world, especially Poland and Haiti.
  6. Pavel57
    Pavel57 18 September 2019 08: 58
    +2
    Worthy of the film - Thunder of Haiti.
    1. Ravil_Asnafovich
      Ravil_Asnafovich 18 September 2019 09: 08
      +3
      I agree, and take off in bollywood lol.
    2. Nycomed
      Nycomed 18 September 2019 09: 08
      +1
      "Merciless Polish Thunder Over Haiti!" am
  7. Angrybeard
    Angrybeard 18 September 2019 09: 06
    +2
    As far as I remember, they were already in those parts, under the principles of the French colonialists, suppressing the revolt of slaves. In general, the Polish tribe at the service of the West is a very vile sight.
  8. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
    SERGEY SERGEEVICS 18 September 2019 09: 08
    +2
    They were taken to slaughter, because of someone else's interests, which in general did not belong to their country, and now they present it as a circus.
    1. gurzuf
      gurzuf 18 September 2019 11: 01
      +4
      For Poles, the normal state of being used is a contraceptive. Remember the 2nd World War and the Battle of England, Polish pilots. And as after the end of the war they were kicked out of a foggy island.
  9. demo
    demo 18 September 2019 09: 11
    +2
    According to official figures, the Polish detachment “Thunder” did not suffer losses in Haiti.
    Listen to the order!
    Do not leave the plane.
    Do not charge weapons!
    And then you, you will not collect or shoot one another.
  10. cniza
    cniza 18 September 2019 09: 15
    +2
    According to official figures, the Polish detachment “Thunder” did not suffer losses in Haiti.


    Anyway, but this is a very serious structure, with appropriate training.
  11. Avior
    Avior 18 September 2019 09: 41
    +3
    The operation was carried out by decision of the UN Security Council, resolution 940 of July 31, 1994, there were no votes against the vote on the operation.
    Interestingly, did the author know about this?
    Or as soon as the words of the United States appear in the subject, and recently, Poland and some others, the need to study the actual side of the matter disappears?
    By the way, in 2014 Aristide was arrested on corruption charges during that same presidency.

    Let the author know that at the end of that presidency, Aristide resigned his post in 1995, and retired from politics and only in 2000, again from the scratch, took part in the elections and received 92 percent of the vote, and then in 2004 he was accused of corruption, even riots and robberies began in the country, in 2014 Aristide was placed under house arrest.
    The anonymous author needs to somehow get acquainted with the question you are writing about.
    PS Interestingly, in one of Bushkov’s books about Mischievous Ghosts from a series about Piranha, Masur and Lavrov save President Aristide
    President Aristide crouched in the corner, looking at them with genuine horror and serious surprise: as befits a person who went to spend a pleasant night with affordable pretty woman, but instead pressured into a love nest on unceremonious subjects who undertook to turn over him without any respect for what was occupied posts.


    The president, in general, was like two drops of water like his many portraits. In his normal state, not being mortally scared, he should look impressive and authoritative: an elderly Negro with an intelligent face, a noble gray hair and a neatly trimmed beard,

    Isn't that the same?
    smile
  12. Amateur
    Amateur 18 September 2019 09: 57
    +3
    Quote: cniza
    Anyway, but this is a very serious structure, with appropriate training.


    The coolest Polish special forces.
    And from the ordinary army, there is the dog Sharik, Georgians Gregory and 4 tankmen (though on the non-kosher Soviet T-34)
  13. AB
    AB 18 September 2019 10: 17
    +3
    No, but what do you all want from them? All their achievements in the military are yapping under the guise of the United States.
  14. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 18 September 2019 11: 40
    +1
    In black glasses with a white frame, we looked like the operetta guard of the banana republic.

    So this is the perfect disguise for Haiti - under the local army! Or under taunton makut. smile
  15. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 18 September 2019 12: 27
    -1
    “It is noted that then no one knew anything about Thunder in the world, moreover, many Poles did not know about its existence, but Clinton did know. The fact is that the Polish servicemen were trained by American instructors from the Delta special forces unit. And Clinton was informed that the Poles should be tested in a real military operation. “So the Poles, you will fight where the owner orders, and if something comes to you too, and not the owner.
  16. faterdom
    faterdom 18 September 2019 19: 11
    0
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    ordered sunglasses came in a version with a white frame.
  17. faterdom
    faterdom 18 September 2019 19: 27
    0

    [Quote] [/ quote]
    Isn't that them?
  18. cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 18 September 2019 22: 58
    0
    There are no questions to "Grom". They went across the ocean-sea, not knowing what the enemy would be, could get into the "meat grinder" ... A question to the "fathers-commanders": the policemen, in fact ("Thunder" was born in the Ministry of Internal Affairs), were sent to the war for "someone else's interest" (benefit got us bully ). "Uncle Sam" will hint, Poland angry will fight with NATO ...