An armored troop-carrier during the exercises knocked down the Rosguards to death

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In the Smolensk region, an armored personnel carrier shot down Rosguard employees. This was reported by TASS with reference to the investigative department of the Investigative Committee for the Smolensk garrison.



On the BTR exercises held in the area of ​​the village of Zhernovka, two Rosguards were crushed to death. At the moment, only the fact of the death of the department’s employees has been confirmed, there is no extended information on the situation.

At the same time, the Utro.ru portal, citing telegram channels and the command of the Central District of the National Guard of the Russian Federation, reports that one employee was killed and the second was injured.

Information on the number of dead and injured employees of the power structure of the Russian Federation is being specified.
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    1. +7
      17 September 2019 12: 21
      Alas, accidents at large exercises are not rare ...
      Partisan in 1978, there were 80 officers and 600 people "mabuta" - 2 corpses. Both are drunk.
      My classmate in the same unit (air defense division) after 2 years - EMNIP 2 corpses, at night the Urals drove from the parking brake in the cabin accidentally pushed and moved the tent ...
      1. -11
        17 September 2019 12: 33
        Military maneuvers are trying to bring as close as possible to combat conditions, here you have real losses. Condolences to the family and friends of the guys!
      2. +4
        17 September 2019 14: 03
        On the BTR, the review is limited, it might not have been noticed.
        similar situation

        1. +2
          17 September 2019 22: 45
          similar situation

          Horror, looked gasped, and he also got up and went. The rest step aside and as if nothing had happened. Brrrr.
          1. +2
            17 September 2019 23: 13
            he still got off easily, bruises bruises and a crack in the bones of the hip joint
            https://vestiprim.ru/news/ptrnews/8350-soldat-srochnikpopavshiy-pod-btrrasskazal-kak-emu-udalos-vyzhit.html
      3. 0
        17 September 2019 22: 39
        portal Utro.ru

        Yeah. Good morning. the portal needs to change the name.
    2. +4
      17 September 2019 12: 27
      The Russian Guard confirmed the death of one employee who died from his injuries, the second is supposedly alive, but nothing is said about his condition. The reason for the tragedy is called the smoke screen, because of which the driver of the armored personnel carrier did not notice the sappers in front.
      1. +18
        17 September 2019 12: 59
        The reason for the tragedy is called the smoke screen, because of which the armored personnel carrier driver did not notice the sappers in front.

        Sloppiness on both sides and the commander who did not take care of safety precautions ...
        Why are there numerous trainings before various events ... but it still doesn’t help ... people die for absolutely ridiculous circumstances.
        How could an armored personnel carrier driver move blindly knowing that there were people ahead ... how sappers could spoil an armored personnel carrier ... it’s not a scooter ... it’s impossible not to hear him behind him.
        Why did the training commander not establish a safe distance between the armored personnel carrier and sappers.
        1. +3
          17 September 2019 22: 44
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          Sloppiness on both sides and the commander who did not take care of safety precautions ...
          Why are there numerous trainings before various events ... but it still doesn’t help ... people die for absolutely ridiculous circumstances.

          And this is the reason! The attitude towards instructions is boring and unnecessary. And life shows the opposite! All the same, it is necessary, as in the USSR, to simply "hammer" into the head! And at the expense of the National Guard ... and did you see who is there? It's just a pioneer camp in uniform!
        2. 0
          17 September 2019 22: 54
          it’s not a scooter ... it’s impossible not to hear him behind his back.

          Well, maybe they heard, but they didn’t guess the direction. I once stood in a traffic jam, heard the sound of an approaching ambulance siren, louder and louder, and from where and where I don’t understand, there are a lot of cars - an intersection, in the end I just stopped, they began to buzz, got confused, dulled a little, although I’m not faced with it for the first time . The smoke screen is disoriented.
          But that’s why the armored personnel carrier carried out movement in a smoke screen, in which sappers were located - this is a question.
      2. +2
        17 September 2019 13: 37
        The Rosguard has turned into some kind of monster, there are sappers and armored personnel carriers ... If this continues, the Rosguards will soon begin to dissect on planes and nuclear submarines. I’m afraid then the death toll from the disorder will go to thousands.
        1. +7
          17 September 2019 14: 34
          Quote: Andrey Andreev_4
          The Rosguard has turned into some kind of monster, there are sappers and armored personnel carriers

          they were always in the explosives and in the riot police ...
          1. +4
            17 September 2019 14: 52
            And in the NKVD troops there were tanks and artillery and aviation.
            1. +2
              17 September 2019 15: 18
              And in the NKVD troops there were tanks and artillery and aviation.

              That’s all in the Interior Ministry of the Russian Federation when the war broke out in the Caucasus and a tank regiment was formed. And the artillery regiment still stands in Chechnya.
          2. -2
            17 September 2019 19: 30
            Quote: PSih2097
            ..they were always in the BB and in the riot police ...

            VV during the Soviet era brought at least some benefit. Guarded prisoners, guarded nuclear power plants, and other important facilities. And now the Russian Guard, I don’t know, doesn’t pay for itself, it only devours funds, we don’t have enough for the army.
            1. +1
              17 September 2019 20: 13
              Quote: Andrey Andreev_4
              And now the Rosguard, I don’t know, doesn’t pay for itself, only devours funds, we do not have enough for the army.

              How do you generally imagine the "payback" of power structures? fool
              1. +1
                18 September 2019 08: 05
                Quote: Piramidon
                ..How do you generally imagine the "payback" of power structures?

                This is not about cost accounting, if you think about it. For example, if law enforcement agencies instead of imitating the fight against corruption engage in a real fight against embezzlement, the economy will grow. The same FSIN compensates quite well part of the cost of maintaining prisoners at the expense of the labor of prisoners in the colonies.
            2. +1
              18 September 2019 10: 36
              Quote: Andrey Andreev_4
              And now the Russian Guard, I don’t know, doesn’t pay for itself, it only devours funds, we don’t have enough for the army.

              He-he-he ... in fact, the WG included the UVO (Federal State Unitary Enterprise "Okhrana" of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia) - so it not only "devours money."
              1. +1
                18 September 2019 11: 42
                Quote: Alexey RA
                ... Heh heh heh ... actually, the WG included the UVO (Federal State Unitary Enterprise "Protection" of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia) - so that it not only "devours money."

                It's not even funny, they remembered the former "Non-Departmental". Nobody wants to mess with her anymore, it's expensive and hemorrhoid. Everyone who could have switched to the services of private security companies.
        2. +2
          17 September 2019 15: 09
          I agree with you, Andrey. hi With everything except nuclear submarines, there is no place for them to cut them here, well, maybe, except for Lake Baikal. And since such "Rosguards" units are created exclusively against the internal enemy, no matter how they want, they will not see submarines. Although ... In our country, for some time now, these "troops" for some reason were equipped with the best weapons and, first of all, in relation to those who were intended to fight the external enemy. Such is the purely Russian irony of fate.
          1. +11
            17 September 2019 15: 22
            In our country, for some time now, these "troops" for some reason were equipped with the best weapons and, first of all, in relation to those who were intended to fight the external enemy.

            Those who really fought were equipped with weapons.
            Terrible during the 2 campaign, 5 brigades stormed, of which 3 were internal troops. Here, including including equipped with everything necessary.
            Such is the purely Russian irony of fate.

            Here is such a practice all over the world, whoever fights, and that is the weapon. If you go to war, do not hesitate, you will also be provided with the first category. In the meantime, only a combat sofa. feel
            1. +1
              17 September 2019 15: 32
              In the meantime, only a combat sofa. feel


              Glory, and on the basis of what did you come to this conclusion?

              I didn’t mean the military units that stormed Grozny, but something completely different. As far as I know, in other countries, the "formidable" did not attack in the same form as it was in our country. Yes, but I will not go to war any more and I will not be able to appreciate the state's concern for arming me, good, age, be it wrong. Well, unless war comes to my home, then yes. But then we will figure it out without the help of the state, the nose was also well prepared, at least for three years of service in my tank regiment they did not crush anyone. soldier
              1. +4
                17 September 2019 15: 55
                Quote: Sea Cat
                I did not mean the units of the explosives that stormed Grozny, but something else entirely.

                Nothing "different" And subdivisions of some 99th Special Forces Division (99 DON) trained to fight with the militants, to catch the ZK, and to grab and not let go of the "narot" at the rallies. And not only trained, but actually performed these tasks.
        3. +4
          17 September 2019 15: 42
          Quote: Andrey Andreev_4
          The Russian Guard has become a kind of monster, there are sappers and armored personnel carriers

          It was they who disarmed. BMP and tanks were taken from them.
          1. -2
            17 September 2019 16: 22
            It was they who disarmed. BMP and tanks were taken from them.


            Is this after they crushed their own? Or maybe their training was like this:
            "Narat" at the rallies to grab and not let go. And not only trained, but also really
            crushed a couple without understanding. Everyday business with whom it does not happen ... request
            1. +3
              17 September 2019 17: 31
              Quote: Sea Cat
              Is this after they crushed their own?

              This was after the "oppositionists" began to scream that "the bloody Putinsky VVshniki are preparing to crush us, nart, with tanks !!!"

              Damn you, give free rein, you would send them to the Caucasus with water pistols, so that, God forbid, they might stop you from doing what you want.
              1. +1
                17 September 2019 18: 25
                I do not need to give free will, I have enough of it.

                But where you saw serious "oppositionists" here is completely unclear, do you mean Mr. Navalny? So with his "opposition" everything is already clear: from whom he receives money - that he serves. And everything else is absolutely frivolous, the wrong people, and they don't have a real leader. And as for Putin, there are a couple more reforms like the pension, and no "Rosgvardia" will save him.

                About "bloody VVshniks" smile I have not heard yet, usually the howl is about "bloody gebnya" fellow

                And in the sense of "doing whatever you want" - there is no problem with that, there would be a desire, but I don't have it. So all your shooting is off target. request

                Just do not forget that other people are not obliged to assess the situation like you do, and not everyone who disagrees with you is an enemy. hi
          2. 0
            17 September 2019 16: 28
            Quote: Spade
            It was they who disarmed. BMP and tanks were taken from them.

            Yes, I won’t be surprised if the fateful drug control befalls the Russian Guard. There, too, they created a structure capable of competing with our all-powerful organization by three letters. And considerable funds were rolled off to them, and they gave a bunch of powers, and armored personnel carriers, and grenade launchers, and helicopters, and the best graduates of army universities ... And all in vain, competitors erased them in full.
            1. +2
              17 September 2019 17: 29
              Quote: Andrey Andreev_4 (Andrey Andreev)
              the guards will suffer a sad fate of drug control. They also created a structure capable of competing with our all-powerful organization in three letters
              The organization has been "sawed" in three letters from the very beginning of the dem.reform and now for some reason they are finishing it - they separated the firefighters, the escort / guard of the penitentiary institution, the investigation, they were going to isolate the police in a separate department, they took away the passport and visa service, the "fight" with drugs (though then they returned the last two), licensing and permitting departments, then they renamed them altogether, then they took the "siloviks" (all sorts of OMON SOBRs), internal troops, private security. Naturally, the three-letter organization did not work better, and the staffs did not decrease much. And the five-letter sad fate will not befall, this is not why this National Guard (FSVNG, a nasty name) was collected.
              1. +2
                17 September 2019 19: 24
                This is you about the Ministry of Internal Affairs, but I had in mind a different structure, closer to our president.
                1. 0
                  18 September 2019 06: 31
                  Clear. But now close to the president are two three-letter ones, which was meant - closer to the body or to the former service?
    3. +2
      17 September 2019 12: 40
      Condolences to the family. Alas, such cases probably cannot be prevented, although it is necessary to strive for this. The human factor.
      And it is necessary to study, without studies there will be even more accidents.
      1. +2
        17 September 2019 13: 04
        Alas, such cases probably cannot be prevented.

        You can ... if you strictly follow the letter of safety ...
        seen enough on many videos ... when people violate basic safety rules and lose their lives in an absolutely ridiculous way.
        And the mother of the deceased serviceman how to explain what happened ... write off everything as an accident again ... every year the same thing.
        1. +1
          17 September 2019 13: 49
          Here is a case
          ... a heavy truck stuck in a wet rut ... decided to push behind the truck
          tank with the help of a log ... thought of a log to keep a soldier to put a young ...
          naturally the log breaks and the soldier is under the tracks of the tank.
          It cannot be called idiocy otherwise.
        2. 0
          17 September 2019 16: 04
          You can ... if you strictly follow the letter of safety ...

          My father-in-law taught me that many rules are written in blood.
          As an example, he cited a wedding ring, which is usually removed. When one of his comrades got out of the AN-2, he grabbed his hands on top of the doorway and thus wanted to jump out of the plane, but the ring caught on a hook and remained there with his finger.
          It’s certainly not the head of an APC to move, as in the video above, it’s also not nice.
    4. 0
      17 September 2019 12: 42
      One 200-th, one 300-th light
    5. -1
      17 September 2019 12: 47
      Sincere condolences to relatives and friends. Eternal glory to the fallen soldiers.
    6. -14
      17 September 2019 12: 52
      The situation is tense. There is war. Losses are inevitable.
    7. +1
      17 September 2019 12: 54
      During my service, there were no "fatal accidents", but the "old people" said that such cases, in fact, happened ... But the "crossbow" in my memory (in my division ...) happened ... In general, the "mama's son" decided in this way to avoid "further continuation of the service", which seemed "not comme il faut" to him, and shot himself, inflicting a non-fatal wound ...
      1. +4
        17 September 2019 14: 20
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        During my service, there were no "fatal accidents", but the "old people" said that such cases, in fact, happened ...

        During my service in exercises (night driving using the NVD: TKN-1 and TVN-2), an armored personnel carrier turned upside down on which was the battalion commander captain Bodnaruk. Riding sitting over the driver. One leg in the hatch, the other on the outside. In addition to him on the armor were: a radiotelephone operator, a medical ensign, and a couple of soldiers. In the darkness, he did not notice the caponier and ordered the driver to the left. An APC drove into the pit with two front left wheels and rolled over. The battalion was crushed, someone managed to dive inside, and the radiotelephone operator and ensign flew to the side, escaping with a slight fright.
        Result: the battalion commander is a corpse (as the commander later said, cavalrymen used to ride on horseback). R-107M was standing on top, when it was pulled out from under the armored personnel carrier, the antenna was broken and the headset jack crumpled ...
        There was a case when a T-80 on the headmistress ran into a passenger car left by some mushroom picker. Because of the dust, I did not see the tank in front. The car is in the trash. When the mushroom pickers returned, they were "very surprised" ...
        And on the deaths of soldiers in the exercises, orders were read out every year. The main reasons are sloppiness.
        1. +2
          17 September 2019 15: 15
          Quote: ROSS 42
          The main reasons are sloppiness.

          Basically, yes ... Although anything can happen! Somehow, during a decent-scale exercise, an armored personnel carrier of Marines "ran over" at the post of our brigade ... The Marines were on armor and "issued" a couple of bursts in the direction of the sentry ... (I hope they were "empty" ...). The guard reacted with a return burst, but with combat ... The Marines were instantly blown off the armor and the armored personnel carrier with "aircraft speed" rushed off in an "unknown direction" ... It turned out that they had confused the coordinates of the object to be attacked .... well, no one in this time he did not die, although there was a "rumor" that one marine was slightly wounded, but this was hushed up in every possible way. This story nevertheless leaked into the "army circles"; because. I already heard it, after some time, from the "mouth" of a person who served in another unit and in another region ... Now "guess": is it sloppiness or a "banal" mistake of the category "anything can happen" ...
          1. +1
            18 September 2019 00: 06
            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I (Vladimir) Today, 15: 15

            +2
            Quote: ROSS 42
            The main reasons are sloppiness.

            Basically, yes ... Although anything happens!

            DHA major exercises. In the cargo compartment, the crew and + play cards (usually preference), on 4 OFAB-100, Mi-24 suspensions, the technician climbs into the cabin and ... bombs fall on concrete! The communists are behind me! And everyone emerges through the hatches! And there were turntables on the bombs! Who in the subject, he will understand!
      2. +2
        17 September 2019 16: 14
        During my service, there were no "fatal misfortunes", but the "old people" said ...

        My friend in the 82m in the fleet left without a leg, still silent as a partisan winked
        And once I talked with one relative, also from the Northern Fleet, only a rank higher.
        When he found out about this case, he also said that this was an "exception" in those days, which was immediately brought to the attention of the management team in order to avoid repetition.
        And then, over the years of service on the move and "the only case" recalled how the sailor put his foot in the loop of the rope, adding the sailor's memories "... the rope pulled sharply, and I just watch how my boot flew overboard with my leg ... ".
        And the friend is silent, and I'm not interested ...
    8. +2
      17 September 2019 12: 59
      Sad .. Condolences to the near and dear.
      In general, my attitude to the creation of the Russian Guard is twofold. Maybe from the rejection of duels ...?)
      1. -10
        17 September 2019 13: 08
        Liberalists are afraid of Rosguard. There is nothing to be afraid of an honest patriot.
        1. +6
          17 September 2019 13: 39
          when you just go for a trip on the head with a club, don’t forget to thank her.
      2. +6
        17 September 2019 13: 37
        Quote: The Siberian Barber
        In general, my attitude to the creation of the Russian Guard is twofold. Maybe from the rejection of duels ...?)

        You just need to remember that the WG is just a renamed explosive, which was added by OMON, SOBR and UVO. So no one created anything - they just re-branded the "funny troops". smile
        1. 0
          17 September 2019 13: 55
          Yes, in fact, everything is clear: both goals and means.)
          Simply, an eternal leapfrog with enlargements / fragmentation, ministries / agencies, subordination / reassignment, and other "reforms", with appointments of non-core, often persons. Paphos is welcome ..
          Such a sport ...))
          1. +3
            17 September 2019 14: 24
            Quote: The Siberian Barber
            Simply, an eternal leapfrog with enlargements / fragmentation, ministries / agencies, subordination / reassignment, and other "reforms", with appointments of non-core, often persons. Paphos is welcome ..

            This is the norm.! ©
            In fact, nothing is being done, but everyone is busy with work. To form brigades on the basis of divisions - done. And now, on the basis of the brigades, form the divisions back. The poor space forces disunited, merged and renamed at each Minister of Defense - a campaign, in one of envelopes in a safe MO clearly says "don't know what to do - reform space troops".
            In short, everything is according to the classics - a team of dananides in quilted jackets crack the asphalt wherever she recently laid it. smile
        2. +3
          17 September 2019 14: 32
          Quote: Alexey RA
          So no one created anything - just rebranded

          Not such a frail "reybradbering" - fantasy in animation ... And in the USSR, the VV terrorists fought or the KGB? The RG is a bloated security structure with at first glance incomprehensible goals and commanders recruited from nowhere. Something mister VVP gave her a lot of powers, and you are talking to us about some kind of marketing ploy ...
          1. 0
            17 September 2019 17: 33
            Quote: ROSS 42
            And in the USSR they fought with terrorists

            By them. Only they did not know how to nikerta.
            And also paratroopers with sapper blades, which is still remembered by the Union ...
            So it goes...
          2. +2
            17 September 2019 19: 30
            Quote: ROSS 42
            And in the USSR, did the KGB fight with the terrorists or the KGB?

            And those and others. But the Vovans had eternal problems with l / s. It got to the point that when trying to hijack an aircraft from Ufa in 1986, the hijackers turned out to be deserters who had undergone anti-terrorist training.
            Quote: ROSS 42
            RG is a bloated security structure with incomprehensible at first glance goals and commanders recruited from nowhere.

            The "bloated structure" is the 31st division of the Interior Ministry of the USSR. Or explosives of the times of EBN with tanks, artillery, MLRS and aviation. Even after downsizing in the mid-2000s, the military personnel numbered more than 200 thousand.
            And as for the structure - the WG has the same thing that was previously in the BB, plus special units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, aviation and UVO:
            The troops of the National Guard of the Russian Federation were transformed from the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia with the preservation of the structure of the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia and are headed by the Director of the Russian Guard - Commander-in-Chief of the National Guard of the Russian Federation.
            Until 2018, it is planned to transfer to the military service of the National Guard troops serving in the special forces of the Special Operations Regiment and Special Forces of the territorial bodies of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia, the special forces center of the Rapid Response and Aviation of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia, which were operational subordination of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia and the corresponding heads of territorial bodies of the Ministry of Internal Affairs Of Russia.
            1. +1
              17 September 2019 20: 09
              The "bloated structure" is the 31st division of the Interior Ministry of the USSR. Or explosives of the times of EBN with tanks, artillery, MLRS and aviation.

              Under the USSR, the explosives also protected the zones, so the state was not inflated. There were tanks and armored personnel carriers (BMPs) and artillery for the war in Chechnya under the EBN.
              A bloated state is when the main headquarters of the BB in the USSR is 300 people (in the 31 division), and after
              abbreviations for EBN - 1500 people
        3. +1
          18 September 2019 10: 25
          Quote: Alexey RA
          You just need to remember that WGs are just renamed explosives.

          But what was the occasion to the liberal gorlopans to shout everywhere: Putin got himself chain dogs - stranglers to pensioners. On this site, some also publish similar cries.
      3. +1
        17 September 2019 17: 14
        Quote: The Siberian Barber
        In general, my attitude to the creation of the Russian Guard is twofold.

        Here, "the other day," a Russian Guard was stabbed to death ... in the evening he reprimanded a drunken "citizen" for smoking in a public place! The guy is 23 years old ... the murderer is over 50 ... we are on trial ... My wife, having learned about this case, gave me a "grandiose stick" for my "quirk", to put things in order "on the street ...
    9. +1
      17 September 2019 13: 25
      I'm so sorry!
    10. +5
      17 September 2019 13: 43
      Probably the dispersal of the demonstrators worked out. There you can’t do without armored vehicles and sappers.
      1. -6
        17 September 2019 13: 47
        With liberals, only do this! Descent they will not!
        1. +1
          17 September 2019 14: 17
          Right! Sappers are very appropriate: to mine the "liberals"!
          1. -4
            17 September 2019 14: 46
            And with them all means are good!
          2. 0
            17 September 2019 17: 36
            It is more likely not to let those with whom the liberals kiss on the gums blow their bombs.

            Not continuing and liberal Elena Masyuk is aware of how much this audience knows how and loves to be "grateful"
    11. -1
      17 September 2019 14: 23
      It is not an armored personnel carrier that knocks down, but a man behind the wheel of an armored vehicle .. Again vodka, stupidity and "maybe", as in any maneuvers.
    12. +1
      17 September 2019 15: 38
      teachings are good, not combat losses are bad. And death on the teachings, for me, is sloppiness and tragedy.
    13. 0
      17 September 2019 15: 58
      The reason, as always, is the gouging of commanders and subordinates, and grief in families.
    14. 0
      17 September 2019 16: 00
      I once read the memoirs of Otto Carius "Tigers in the Mud", a few years ago this book was still on the shelves of the "Young Guard" on Polyanka in Moscow.
      The author describes her recollections during the war when he served as commander of the Tiger on the eastern front (i.e., he fought against the USSR).
      What struck me the most and made me wonder how often he mentioned non-combat losses:
      First, the thigh moved the tank to his friend, who ran up to the tank and decided to ride on smooth snow and hooked a jacket on the track of the next tank, which began to move and was pulled under the tracks, passed the hip, which caused him to die immediately.
      Another time, he describes how they were carrying soldiers on the armor of their tank, and when they stopped, it turned out that several people were dead - they lounged behind the tower above the exhaust grill to warm themselves, and fell asleep with an eternal sleep.
      One can’t even talk about horses crushed by chance.
      I mean that such cases are unfortunately not inevitable, and the more exercises or databases pass, the more often they happen - these are elementary statistics, which hide the grief of relatives and friends.
      This is to say that it’s not worth gloating when this happens in the US armies, the Armed Forces of Ukraine, or anyone we are not friends with.
    15. -3
      17 September 2019 17: 17
      In war, as in war.
      Visually impaired people serve in the Russian Guard.
    16. 0
      18 September 2019 05: 41
      Our trouble is "Russian maybe" !!! Everyone knows and understands very well for a long time that all instructions are written in "human blood" but there will certainly be a smart guy who is all purple.
    17. -1
      18 September 2019 18: 39
      Nothing happens only to those who do nothing. Anything can happen.

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