Coastal troops will be armed with modernized self-propelled guns 2С7 "Peony"

The artillery brigades of the coastal forces will receive the modernized self-propelled artillery 2С7 "Peony" and radar systems for reconnaissance and firing control "Zoo". This is reported by "Izvestia" with reference to the Ministry of Defense.

According to the publication, the Ministry of Defense decided to put into service the artillery brigades of coastal defense self-propelled guns 2С7 "Peony", which, after modernization, began to destroy small targets. To search for targets for "Peonies" they will be given complexes "Zoo". According to experts, such a combination will help to combat the landing of a potential enemy.

Deliveries of modernized “Peonies” in terms of coastal defense will begin at the end of this year - the beginning of next. The 2th Army Corps of the Baltic Coastal Forces will be the first to adopt the 7S11 self-propelled guns fleet, which is deployed in the Kaliningrad region, or rather the 244th Guards Artillery Brigade, which is part of the corps.

As the military department explained, the large-scale modernization of the 203-mm self-propelled guns "Peony" began several years ago. During the modernization, the self-propelled guns receive a new combat fire control system that allows integration into the automated command and control system (ACS) and obtain real-time information about potential targets.

Self-propelled gun "Peony" caliber 203-mm adopted by the 1975 year. The main armament of the self-propelled guns is the 203-mm cannon 2A44 weighing 14,6 t and length 11 m. It is located in the rear of the unit. The gun is equipped with a semi-automatic hydraulic loading system, which allows this process to be carried out at any elevation angles of the barrel. The self-propelled gun is capable of firing up to five shells in two minutes, each of which weighs up to 110 kg, at a range of up to 50 km. Highway speed - up to 50 km / h.

Comments

[Thrall]

Highway speed - up to 50 km / h

This is in Polish, and in Germany it will accelerate to 80 by the autobahn

[Proxima]

"Peony" - the most powerful of all serial self-propelled guns that have ever been produced in the world. “Pleasant” to the Poles and Lithuanians to see it at their side.

[hydrox]

The Germans up to 2MB built siege mortars of even greater caliber than Peony, and produced siege mortars of 280 mm, 600 mm, but no army in the world was engaged in such stupid things anymore ...
Unmodern, difficult, costly, inefficient, with insufficient range, without remote control, without homing ...
Neglect common sense ...

[Proxima]

Quote: hydrox

The Germans up to 2MB built siege mortars of even greater caliber than Peony, and released siege mortars of 280 mm, 600 mm.

The power of the gun is not measured by caliber, but is measured by muzzle energy. Moreover, we are talking about serial self-propelled guns.

[hydrox]

Sorry, but not the topic :: we are talking about the appropriateness of using Peony as a coastal defense tool - 80-100 years ago, this would have been acceptable ...
Or are you going to duel with the battleship Missouri?

[Proxima]

Quote: hydrox

Or are you going to duel with the battleship Missouri?

I don't see anything funny here. A battleship, aircraft carrier or other vessel will think a hundred times before approaching the coastline closer than 47 kilometers, knowing full well what a 100-kilogram projectile can get from the "Peony" into the hull. And there are also nuclear shells: "Perforator", "Sapling" (the names are so beautiful ), "Castor oil". In short, the prospects for the enemy are not very bright.

[hydrox]

No, this is our commander who will think 100 times what awaits him if he lets the enemy ship 47 km to our shore, because the extreme distance that you can let him in is the shot distance not covered by Peony's moss, but quite a modern Caliber , Onyx, and other Volcanoes with Mosquitoes (and with the capabilities of their carriers!), Including with the involvement of aviation, which also does not carry a Kalashnikov machine gun ...
And if we are talking about an aircraft carrier, then the min allowable distance will depend on the combat radius of the aircraft of this carrier, because otherwise it will be a breakthrough of the border - a military crime, followed by a tribunal with all the consequences ...

[Proxima]

Dear forum users! And who is so mercilessly minus Hydrox? In some ways, a person is wrong (in my humble understanding it is natural), why blurt out the cons? Did he insult someone or trolit? This is ugly!

[Alexey RA]

Quote: hydrox

The Germans up to 2MB built siege mortars of even greater caliber than Peony, and produced siege mortars of 280 mm, 600 mm, but no army in the world was engaged in such stupid things anymore ...

This is what it means to not read the ZVO.
During the development of the Pion, the Yankees mass-produced the 203-mm M110 self-propelled guns, which served them until 1994 (one two-battery battalion for a “heavy” division). Before that, they had a 203 mm M55 self-propelled gun. And even earlier, if Japan had not surrendered, then the 240-mm T92 self-propelled gun would have gone into production.

[hydrox]

Of course, you’re right: if you look at the age of 18-19, then mortars were even installed on warships (but there were no aircraft at that time!)

[Alexey RA]

Quote: hydrox

Of course, you’re right: if you look at the age of 18-19, then mortars were even installed on warships (but there were no aircraft at that time!)

What does the 203th century have to do with it? The US Army withdrew from the arsenal of the 110 mm M1994 only in XNUMX - after the end of the Cold War, its goals disappeared.

And, by the way, judging by the article, they do not plan to use the Pion in the coastal defense - they are being put into the corps artillery brigade of the naval corps, covering the Kaliningrad region. It's just that the Navy has only two names for the ground forces: marines and coastal troops. And the artillery of the coastal forces is not only coastal artillery, but all the artillery of the coastal land formations of the Navy. And the same DKBF in the coastal troops now has a whole army corps.

[hydrox]

Sorry but
"EVERYTHING HAS ITS TIME!"

[JD1979]

A peony and a small-sized target ... Maybe, after all, the "Shore" with its 152mm would be enough?

[Paranoid50]

Quote: JD1979

Still, "Shore" with its 152mm would be enough?

Only "Malka", only hardcore. Again, the "cunning" power supply units in the range will definitely not be superfluous.

[WILL]

You "cunning" projectile with a capacity of 2 CT (nuclear) mean?
It will not please partners !!!

[hydrox]

Such a nuclear warhead and UAV can easily deliver: quietly, peacefully, silently and very, very accurate ...
Caliber will also do this task well.

[Piramidon]

Quote: hydrox

Caliber will also do this task well.

And if you compare the price of "caliber" and art. shell?

[hydrox]

Ok, let's compare.
The first sighting shots will be for Peony the last in his life ...
Peony (especially with the crew) certainly costs more than Caliber.

[Piramidon]

Quote: hydrox

The first sighting shots will be the last for Peony

As I understand it, they are modernizing it so as not to bother with sighting. Why then fence this whole garden if it shoots like a three-inch model of the First World War - under-flight-over-defeat?

[hydrox]

It may be, but you will not deny that the dinosaurs did die out and we have no reason to mourn this circumstance?

[Piramidon]

Quote: hydrox

You will not deny that the dinosaurs did die out

Some kind of crap, very "wise"

[hydrox]

Well, yes, the street looks at it from a different angle: tried it - it doesn’t work.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: ANIMAL

"Cunning" projectile with a power of 2 CT

So yes, but maybe something else was added to the nomenclature ...

[JD1979]

Quote: Paranoid50

Only "Malka", only hardcore. Again, the "cunning" power supply units in the range will definitely not be superfluous.

Well, if by the method of defeating small targets means the destruction of all living things on an area of ​​ten hectares then yes. This, in our opinion, is why you should exchange things on trifles. But nevertheless, the small-sized target is probably from the boat to the airborne landing craft on the VP or whatever they have to land on the shore, and they move 203 mm to that ... all the more how quickly amendments can be made to fire at such goals. This is, in fact, not an automated system.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: JD1979

But still, a small-sized goal

This is still add. option, just in case. Well, not with a sledgehammer to chase flies ...

[Pavel57]

"Shore" isn't it 130mm?

[aszzz888]

Pavel57 (Gf) Today, 11: 39 NEW
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"Shore" isn't it 130mm?

You are right, and comrade

JD1979 (Dmitry) Today, 11: 13

a bit wrong.

A-222 "Beach"
Classification coastal self-propelled artillery
Combat weight, t 43,7
Crew, people. 8
History
Developer Union of Soviet Socialist Republics OKB-2
Producer software "Barricades"
Years of development 1976 — 1992
Years of production since 1988
Main operators Russia
dimensions
Case length, mm 12 950
Length with gun forward, mm 12 950
Width, mm 3100
Height, mm 3925
Track, mm 2200
weaponry
Caliber and brand of gun 130 mm
gun type rifled gun
Barrel Length, 55 Caliber
Ammunition 40 guns
Angles VN, deg. -5..+50
GN angles, deg. -120..+120
Firing Range, km to 23

[forcecom]

I suspect that, in addition to the greater power, the Malka is credited with more than two-fold excess in firing range, 23 km at the Berega 50 km at the Malka

[Den717]

Quote: Forcecom

23 km near the "Coast" 50 km near the "Malka"

In 1986, further improvement of the system was proposed to be carried out by creating guided missiles such as "Daredevil", the firing range of which could be up to 120 km. If the work is resumed at the current level of development of guided / adjusted shells, then it is possible to achieve quite good results. And even without special.

[forcecom]

Emphasis on words, resume and reach, and 50 km of "Malka" here they are already in the asset + a bonus in the form of special warheads for every "fireman".

[Lopatov]

Quote: Den717

In 1986, further improvement of the system was proposed to be carried out by creating guided missiles such as "Daredevil", the firing range of which could be up to 120 km.

Someone got it mixed up.
On a non-ballistic trajectory UAS learned to launch only now, and it does not give such a significant increase.
And the "Brave" is a 240-mm mine, and not controlled but corrected (RCIC technology, impulse correction in the final section) A purely ballistic trajectory and even needs to be zeroed in if the requirements of full preparation were not met during the preparation of firing.

[Den717]

Quote: Spade

And the "Brave" is a 240-mm mine

The "daredevil" theme was worked out with two ammunition. On a mine, it reached its logical conclusion, but on a 203 mm projectile it was stopped for financial problems.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Den717

The "daredevil" theme was worked out with two ammunition. On a mine, it reached its logical conclusion, but on a 203 mm projectile it was stopped for financial problems.

Who cares? Anyway, this is an impulse correction, and therefore 120 km is from the category of urban legends.

[Den717]

Quote: Spade

Anyway, this is an impulse correction, and therefore 120 km is from the category of urban legends.

I will not argue with you, because I am not a system developer. I just give information that went through open sources. Wait and see...

[Lopatov]

Quote: Den717

I will not argue with you, because I am not a system developer.

Here you just need to turn on the thinker.
The range is increased by giving the projectile a non-ballistic trajectory. This can be done using the control aerodynamic surfaces. Impulse correction systems (like the "Brave" and 152-mm "Centimeter") do not have them. There are powder engines placed perpendicular to the axis of the mine / projectile

[Lopatov]

Quote: Forcecom

23 km near the "Coast" 50 km near the "Malka"

I'm afraid it's not so curly at all, and shooting at ships with the Malka at a distance of 50 km is for "purely scaring"

It is better to compare the rate of fire of 12 for the "Coast" and as much as 3 for the 2S7SM

[forcecom]

well, and the "Shore" at 23 km does not put all the shells in a 12-liter bucket, it is clear that with accuracy everything is not at all good there, but still it is better if 1 out of 200 fired shells arranges somewhere over the horizon "alah- akbar "a separate vessel than this will not happen at all.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Forcecom

well, and "Shore" at 23 km does not put all the shells in a 10-liter bucket,

Maybe not, but there is a fully automatic fire control system tied to the radar and optical-electronic channels. What "Malka" does not have and is close.

In short, again the leaders are tossing about pure foolishness. Well, "Zoos" for coastal defense are in no way at all.

[forcecom]

Any weapon is better than its absence, especially if the weapon is good, albeit without a narrow specificity, if the PDO is provided, there will be work for both Bereg and Malka and Bal and Bastion, and ordinary children with AKasha and RPG-7 in trenches, and even better than Malk there, beyond the horizon, someone with his fire over the squares will hit you than this someone will dismount on the shore and will shoot at our guys in these trenches.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Forcecom

Any weapon is better than no weapon.

Right. And therefore it is necessary to modernize the "Coast" and not the "Malka". And it was he who was put into service with coastal
And then they promised to replace it with a complex based on the "Coalition", but in the end everything turned into lewdness in the form of "Malka".
Which is there absolutely neither to the village nor to the city. With its low rate of fire, the wildest time to change the firing position and the lack of automated guidance and restoration of aiming. What the "Coast" had originally. 40 kopecks years ago.

Quote: Forcecom

it’s better that Malka there over the horizon will hit someone with his fire over the squares than this someone will dismount on the shore and will shoot our guys in these trenches.

To be honest, I can’t remember any of the possible aggressors who had such nasty counter-battery capabilities to allow the Malkas to fire more than three shots.

[Alexey RA]

So naval "Peonies" are not coastal artillery. This is the artillery of the coastal troops, more precisely - of the very corps that covers Kaliningrad and the region and which was transferred from the ground forces to the fleet. So everything is fine - the main targets of these "Peonies" will be on land.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Alexey RA

So naval "Peonies" are not coastal artillery. This is the artillery of the coastal troops, more precisely - of the very corps that covers Kaliningrad and the region and which was transferred from the ground forces to the fleet. So everything is fine - the main targets of these "Peonies" will be on land.

Who cares? The Poles will endure them with the same success. Take out and do not frown.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Spade

Who cares? The Poles will endure them with the same success. Take out and do not frown.

The difference is that with fixed targets it’s still easier - you can leave the position after two volleys. With ships, this will not work - there would have to be long and hard to hammer from one position.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Alexey RA

The difference is that with fixed targets it’s still easier - you can leave the position after two volleys.

10 minutes transfer from combat to marching ... Throw "leave positions after a volley" - this is not about 2C7

[Newone]

Wikipedia indicates the time of transfer to the stowed position for 2C7M 3-5 minutes.

[Lopatov]

I'm afraid this is not true.
The fact is that both modernizations did not provide anything that could reduce this time. Therefore, I think this figure is taken from the ceiling.
Here is the loading mechanism they have been finalizing and the increase in rate of fire is believable. And reducing the transfer time by two to three times looks like a fake in its purest form

[Zaurbek]

Really, new 152mm "long" howitzers are needed. With modern shells.

[Lopatov]

In fact, they promised to fasten to the "coastal" complex of reconnaissance and fire control (such as the forty-year "Podach", but at a new level) the N-th number of "Coalitions" That is, a single caliber, the rejection of 130-mm unitars. By the way, here, in the articles on VO, this just slipped

And it goes out like ...

[Zaurbek]

130 is also a single naval caliber. And that moment is the most long-range.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Zaurbek

130 is also a single naval caliber. And that moment is the most long-range.

Taking into account the transfer of the same army soldiers to the Navy in the Kaliningrad region, the fleet no longer makes sense to hold on to a single 130 mm. You still have to supply the "naval" ground corps with "army" ammunition.
In addition, the 152-mm caliber has a much wider choice of ammunition (including serially produced guided ones), a higher projectile power and a longer range. And the 130 mm - two anti-aircraft and one OFS.

[Speedy]

"Shore" 130mm.

[czes]

The ACS "Coast" 130mm ...

[novel66]

and the shells are supposed to be - in a sand heap lying around ??

[rocket757]

Quote: novel xnumx

and the shells are supposed to be - in a sand heap lying around ??

In, in ... not an artilleryman, but I respect machinery and mechanics! Chargers will wipe each shell before loading ??? or will a bunch of dirt get into the trunk? But will he benefit from the trunk?

[novel66]

shreds fly through the back streets ...

[hydrox]

This is so that the cuts from rust and soot can be cleaned (shells are still in grease!)

[Lopatov]

They most likely lie on the pieces of wood from the cork. And they pulled them out just to clean the pushal and waxed paper. Sometimes so much is wound that it prevents loading. This is not a "weaving" which, in the capping, do not twist it especially for convenience.
Although, of course, it would be worth covering with some matting. And it’s not supposed to accumulate so much of them in an open area near the gun. They cleared it, but then laziness mother broke the hero fighters. Horns commanders would be worth writing

[czes]

We in Luga laid on a tarp.

[Olya Tsako]

And why not put this miracle in the DNR-LNR.
The Pentagon is already going to put the F-16 there, not to mention the Javelins, electronic warfare, anti-sniper systems and other infusions. Official subsidy for the murder of Russians in the DPR-380 million from the United States, in 2019
Israel, would, or China, would long ago have burned out Pentagon aid with fire and iron.
We are waiting for greater impudence and losses, Russia has ceased to respect and protect itself?

[Zaurbek]

Ukraine also has Peonies. And even shoot.

[Kerensky]

What kind of landing Peony to beat off? This thing to create ruins in the building.

[forcecom]

This is the thing to create ruins from everything you get :)

[Katanikotael]

Anglo-Saxon on submarines, here the larger the projectile the more severe the shell shock.

[Sahalinets]

Are they going to shoot Peony at the ships?

[Nycomed]

It's good that not yet from Tulip!

[Hort]

so what, one shell - one destroyer)) What missiles to spend

[hydrox]

This ONE destroyer at a distance of 800 km will leave only a hole in the ground from Peony and spend only one or two Tomahawks on it

[Pavel57]

Cool, this is more serious than "Shore".

[DenZ]

This is only a larger caliber than the "Coast" The "Coast" itself is a much more complex system than the "Peony" (in terms of shooting accuracy).

[Zaurbek]

I don’t quite understand why there are Peonies? And the question is: where are corr shells with satellite guidance and high range. The 203mm caliber allows you to fly under 100km in modern conditions. Or will we fight with battleships? But here it is not a fact that it will be good.

[Nastia makarova]

100 km is only in sawmill fantasies

[Zaurbek]

At 155 and 152 mm, a maximum of 70 km .....

[Nastia makarova]

missiles are very expensive and therefore will not be applied en masse

[Zaurbek]

For 2kt it is not expensive .... and for getting into the ship too

[hydrox]

Do not consider our military leadership as an acting, acting, capable of using nuclear weapons in their waters (this statement does not apply to our civilian authorities (these may also be self-explanatory ...)).

[forcecom]

We don’t think so, but the situations are different, sometimes 2ct in their guides is the lesser of evils.

[Pavel57]

The ability to pull into a 2ct landing force at a range of 50km. already worthy warning of serious intentions. Although the landing for Kaliningrad is not the main threat.

[Zaurbek]

So for this you do not need a peony.

[Pavel57]

The question is in the combat scenario. The General Staff should think about this.

[Sarduor]

Just before landing, the coast is well handled by missile strikes, as is the superiority in the air of the enemy. Who knows what covers the coastal defense troops? S-300 and Tunguska?

[Pavel57]

Marynarka Wojenna has five Project 767 medium-sized landing ships (Lublin type) with a total displacement of 1750 tons, built at the turn of the 80-90s of the last century. They are capable of transporting nine floating transporters and up to 135 marines.

The protrusion of the anti-airborne capabilities of the Peonies is rather a pretext for their appearance.

[Alexey RA]

Coastal artillery is primarily shooting at moving targets. That is - a good SUAO, servo drives, it is highly desirable - a large range of GN angles.
Does this all have 2C7? She has the same horizontal guidance angles of just +/- 15 degrees.

[forcecom]

I apologize for the harshness, but I missed something in the development of the amphibious forces of the US Navy, amphibious assault landing ships docks landing the LCAC and others like them at full front speed of 30 knots and even now carry out the circulation?

[JD1979]

Quote: Forcecom

I apologize for the harshness, but I missed something in the development of the amphibious forces of the US Navy,

Yes sir! Missed it! There is such a landing - beyond the horizon. And artillery will not even reach carrier ships even in crazy fantasies. And shooting at a target that is moving, well, maybe not 30, although I can do more with boats, even 15-20 knots, from guns with manual drives and data transmitted by speech ... it’s lucky if it just splashes. Yes, and the Zoo is the same, whose specific radar complex works by air, how will it determine the position of surface or ground targets?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Forcecom

I apologize for the harshness, but I missed something in the development of the amphibious forces of the US Navy, amphibious assault landing ships docks landing the LCAC and others like them at full front speed of 30 knots and even now carry out the circulation?

Why circulation? It is enough that the battery position is not strictly on the course of the boats - then they just slip through the UGN sector, and the self-propelled guns will have to be guided by the hull.

[Alexey RA]

Hmmm ... I should have read the article carefully. After all, it is directly written there - why the fleet needs "Peonies" and where they will go.

The 2th Army Corps of the Baltic Fleet Coastal Forces, which is deployed in the Kaliningrad Region, or rather the 7th Guards Artillery Brigade, which is part of the corps, will be the first to use the 11S244 self-propelled guns.

Coastal troops are not necessarily coastal artillery. In this particular case, it is an army corps of naval subordination, covering the Kaliningrad region. And the "Peonies" in it will do their own thing, and not shoot at enemy ships.

[Donald72]

It was a matter of abandoning artillery. Apparently scolding decisions is easier than remembering a story.

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: hydrox

The Germans up to 2MB built siege mortars of even greater caliber than Peony, and produced siege mortars of 280 mm, 600 mm, but no army in the world was engaged in such stupid things anymore ...
Unmodern, difficult, costly, inefficient, with insufficient range, without remote control, without homing ...
Neglect common sense ...

Is it desirable for you, sitting at your computer, pressing buttons, to destroy continents and cities? Then to you, in fact, this mobile and very cheap complex, in comparison with disposable missiles costing hundreds of thousands of rubles, seems archaic. In the straits, narrows, on the fronts, where the distance is measured in tens of kilometers, to install "Calibers" and "Iskanders"? It's good that you are not the Commander-in-Chief. And you could not become one. They don't put fools in such positions.

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: hydrox

This ONE destroyer at a distance of 800 km will leave only a hole in the ground from Peony and spend only one or two Tomahawks on it

Each vegetable has its own time. And everyone should do their own thing. You better switch to the tanks. Your place is there.

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: hydrox

Minus common sense.

If there was a smell of common sense at least for a second ..... However, complete is not competence and stupidity.

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: hydrox

Sorry, but not the topic :: we are talking about the appropriateness of using Peony as a coastal defense tool - 80-100 years ago, this would have been acceptable ...
Or are you going to duel with the battleship Missouri?

And so on. Others will speak with Missouri. And at a distance not accessible to his guns. But with a tank column approaching the city, and located at a distance of 10-40 km, will you most certainly drag Iskander? But isn’t it better to shoot with cheap shells, even though a dozen guns? In World War II, such shells were washed to zero by the Tigers, with a miss of ten meters.

[cat Rusich]

My opinion. I offer Peonies to the ground forces, as "siege weapons". In the Coastal Forces, I suggest the Rubezh-ME DBK with the Kh-35UE anti-ship missile system (range 260 km)

[Newone]

I wonder if Peony is good for destroying closed, engineering-strengthened artillery positions.

[czes]

Fasten means modern guidance tools + small-scale mechanization - and it will be a wonderful thing! But not for coastal defense.